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Greg Conderacci
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Speaking of nutrition, just got back from watching my kid do a 5K run where the PowerBar folks were hawking their new "High Intensity" beta alanine tablets. They passed out a booklet full of "data" about how these magic pills improved cyclists' performance.
Anybody know anything about this stuff? Personally, I prefer John's potatoes...
Greg Conderacci
Good Ground Consulting LLC
8171 Pleasant Plains Road
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- Real Food - Ensure, etc. [5 Updates]
- Have you ridden your PBP bike since PBP? [18 Updates]
- Lumotec LYT [2 Updates]
John Hughes <coachjo...@gmail.com> Dec 16 11:54AM -0700
Sports nutrition is a multi-billion dollar business and there are many good
products out there. My main point is that none of them offer a *performance
* advantage over real food.
As Susan points out they are a convenient way to get in more calories
without having to chew. However, you pay more for that convenience.
I've used Ensure, Perpeteum, Sustained Energy, Spiz, UltraEnergy (anyone
remember that?), Gatorade, Gatorade spiked with maltodextrin, home-made
sports drink, etc. I prefer the home-made since I can concoct it to my
taste and put in enough electrolytes, which commercial products lack.
Here's a simple recipe, which meets the recommendations of the American
College of Sports Medicine:
- 1/3 c Orange Juice
- 12 teaspoons sugar (or use honey if you don't like sugar)
- 1/4 teaspoon salt
- water to make 1 quart
I keep a container of frozen OJ in the freezer and scoop some into a
bottle. For more calories add more sweetener.
Interestingly, pro team nutritionists are providing real food to riders
during stages. The riders can't get enough calories with sports products
and want something that tastes real. That's also been my experience on
RAAM, 1200s, etc. More on what pro riders eat and home-made concoctions on
my website:
http://www.coach-hughes.com/resources/homemade_cycling_nutrition.html
cheers,
John
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Boulder, CO 80308-1028"Susan Otcenas" <su...@teamestrogen.com> Dec 16 11:11AM -0800
In winter I make a homemade "rando cocoa mocha" to put in the thermoses
that fit in my bottle cages. Maltodextrin, unsweetened cocoa, coconut
crystals, endurolytes powder, cinnamon, a little salt, all mixed with
hot coffee. Tasty, nutritious, inexpensive and easy to make.
I carry a little screw top jar of all the powders mixed together and use
convenience store-bought coffee to top up the thermoses at the controls.
Works like a charm and keeps me warm on cold winter rides.
Susan
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Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 10:55 AM
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Subject: Re: [Randon] Real Food - Ensure, etc.
Sports nutrition is a multi-billion dollar business and there are many
good products out there. My main point is that none of them offer a
performance advantage over real food.
As Susan points out they are a convenient way to get in more calories
without having to chew. However, you pay more for that convenience.
I've used Ensure, Perpeteum, Sustained Energy, Spiz, UltraEnergy (anyone
remember that?), Gatorade, Gatorade spiked with maltodextrin, home-made
sports drink, etc. I prefer the home-made since I can concoct it to my
taste and put in enough electrolytes, which commercial products lack.
Here's a simple recipe, which meets the recommendations of the American
College of Sports Medicine:
* 1/3 c Orange Juice
* 12 teaspoons sugar (or use honey if you don't like sugar)
* 1/4 teaspoon salt
* water to make 1 quart
I keep a container of frozen OJ in the freezer and scoop some into a
bottle. For more calories add more sweetener.
Interestingly, pro team nutritionists are providing real food to riders
during stages. The riders can't get enough calories with sports products
and want something that tastes real. That's also been my experience on
RAAM, 1200s, etc. More on what pro riders eat and home-made concoctions
on my website:
http://www.coach-hughes.com/resources/homemade_cycling_nutrition.html
cheers,
JohnJenny <jenny....@gmail.com> Dec 16 12:21PM -0800
Ensure comes in a powdered version. When travelling (and
internationally), you can pack the canister in your luggage so that
you don't have to scramble to find/buy it in an unfamiliar or remote
locale. For the rides, I make individual baggies of the powder, each
one holding an hour's worth of nourishment--reconstitute it with water
at rest stops (shake it vigorously). Its' not as smooth as the canned,
but does the trick. When I make up the baggies, I like to add finely
ground espresso powder to the chocolate powder to take the edge of the
sweetness and perk me up. I also do something similar with CIB
(Carnation Instant Breakfast) and powdered hot chocolate mix.
Jenny
Jenny Hegmann, MS, RD, LDN
Sports Nutritionist
The Cyclist's Food Guide (c) 2012.John Hughes <coachjo...@gmail.com> Dec 16 06:00PM -0700
Ken,
As I've said before, we're each an experiment of one. If separating
hydration and calories works for you, that's great!
Whatever goes in your mouth, whether as separate stuff or in combination,
mixes in your stomach so from your gut's point of view it generally doesn't
matter.
You do need to get enough H20, calories and electrolytes—the delivery
mechanism(s) is a matter of personal choice.
There's an article on my website about my personal experiment during a 400K
with commentary by Susan Barr, veteran randonneuse with her PhD in
nutrition:
http://www.coach-hughes.com/resources/nutrition_mantras.html
Now, time for home-made pizza (less cheese and fat) and a Ranger IPA!
Cheers,
John
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Boulder, CO 80308-1028"Jim House" <jho...@ccsol.com> Dec 17 11:31AM -0500
John,
Your “I’ve used” list took me back to 1974 and ERG – that lemon lime flavor
you would rip the foil pack open and add to the bike bottle of water – the
start of it all?
I think ERG stood for Electrolyte Replacement with Glucose.
I loved that stuff and it kept me going long after I would normally cramp
out of a race.
In the modern age the stuff that works best for me and my stomach is half
bottle of Cytomax with a few Endurolytes and a half bottle of water per
hour.
As for the real food the Planters nut mix or cashews in the single server
bags and the small boxes of raisins are what I eat most.
The folks from Cliff showed me a trick years ago.
Before opening a Cliff Bar take a kitchen butter knife and press the dull
side down the center of the bar in the bag.
Next turn the bag and press two more times till you now have six chunks of
cliff bar inside the bag.
Next with scissors cut the bag end open and fold over top and re seal with a
rubber band.
Then in your jersey pocket you can open the cliff bag pull out a mouth size
chunk and have at it.
Single mouth size servings made easy on the bike is what it is all about for
me.
Great conversation.
Jim House
Maumee, OH
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John Hughes
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 1:55 PM
To: ran...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Randon] Real Food - Ensure, etc.
Sports nutrition is a multi-billion dollar business and there are many good
products out there. My main point is that none of them offer a performance
advantage over real food.
As Susan points out they are a convenient way to get in more calories
without having to chew. However, you pay more for that convenience.
I've used Ensure, Perpeteum, Sustained Energy, Spiz, UltraEnergy (anyone
remember that?), Gatorade, Gatorade spiked with maltodextrin, home-made
sports drink, etc. I prefer the home-made since I can concoct it to my taste
and put in enough electrolytes, which commercial products lack. Here's a
simple recipe, which meets the recommendations of the American College of
Sports Medicine:
* 1/3 c Orange Juice
* 12 teaspoons sugar (or use honey if you don't like sugar)
* 1/4 teaspoon salt
* water to make 1 quart
I keep a container of frozen OJ in the freezer and scoop some into a bottle.
For more calories add more sweetener.
Interestingly, pro team nutritionists are providing real food to riders
during stages. The riders can't get enough calories with sports products and
want something that tastes real. That's also been my experience on RAAM,
1200s, etc. More on what pro riders eat and home-made concoctions on my
website:
http://www.coach-hughes.com/resources/homemade_cycling_nutrition.html
cheers,
John
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http://groups.google.com/group/randon/topics
§ Real Food - Ensure, etc [5 Updates]
§ Lumotec LYT [5 Updates]
§ Iphone [2 Updates]
<http://groups.google.com/group/randon/t/8b7436b8b523bd6c> Real Food -
Ensure, etc
John Hughes <coachjo...@gmail.com> Dec 15 04:55PM -0700
Doug,
We're each an experiment of one. In the video Allen Lim talks about the
different diets that different riders on the same team consume. If Ensure
works for you, that's great!
I often recommend to clients that they send a meal replacement drink like
Endure or Boost in their drop bags. A couple of bottles make a quick, if
not gourmet, meal before a sleep break and again instead of breakfast.
They can also be used as part of the event nutrition on the bike; however,
one caution. One bottle of Ensure / Boost contains 25% of the Daily Value
of magnesium. Too much magnesium causes diarrhea. I know of one
randonneur who, on the advice of his gastroenterologist, took Immodium
prophylacticaly. I'm not recommending anyone do that—just a caution.
Although I prefer steel-cut rolled oats and a fresh espresso when possible,
on an event I've been known to have an Ensure and a Frappuccino:-)
Cheers,
John
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sekhem313 <sekh...@yahoo.com> Dec 15 06:46PM -0800
Hi Doug and John and all Rando Friends!
I agree that real food is good but the 'sandwich an hour' strategy seems to
present real problems on a 40 hr ride. Supplementing (not substituting!)
liquid calories seems to be helpful especially in the dregs of that last
200K.
I've been experimenting with a whole variety of options - commercial/home
made, health food/junkie etc etc (who doesn't want to stuff a Guiness in the
jersey pocket ? :). My current obsession is coconut milk (with a big
shout out for the chocolate mint variety!). I found the energy delivery
exceeds the other
commercial products that I've tried (I get variable results w/ products like
Endure, poor results from Hammer products, soymilk, etc). Coconut milk is
packed with medium-chain fatty acids (MCFAs) that are rapidly digestible
and are assimilated (almost) as rapidly as carbohydrates. MCFAs are given
to critically ill patients exactly because its directly metabolized as
energy and is not converted and stored in muscle as lipid..
I'm hoping that there's a nutritionist out there who can answer the $10
question-
the fats in coconut have been traditionally lumped together w/ palm fats as
being bad for the body because they are technically saturated fats. Coconut
milk also contains a large amount of lauric acid which is associated w/
unhealthy serum lipid profiles. So is there any reason NOT to move to the
tropics and live off of coconuts?
Happy Holidays everybody!
T
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From: John Hughes <coachjo...@gmail.com>
To: ran...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Randon] Real Food - Ensure, etc
Doug,
We're each an experiment of one. In the video Allen Lim talks about the
different diets that different
riders on the same team consume. If Ensure works for you, that's great!
I often recommend to clients that they send a meal replacement drink like
Endure or Boost in their drop bags. A couple of bottles make a quick, if
not gourmet, meal before a sleep break and again instead of breakfast.
They can also be used as part of the event nutrition on the bike; however,
one caution. One bottle of Ensure / Boost contains 25% of the Daily Value
of magnesium. Too much magnesium causes diarrhea. I know of one randonneur
who, on the advice of his gastroenterologist, took Immodium prophylacticaly.
I'm not recommending anyone do that—just a caution.
Although I prefer steel-cut rolled oats and a fresh espresso when possible,
on an event I've been known to have an Ensure and a Frappuccino:-)
Cheers,
John
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Randon Nerd <rando...@gmail.com> Dec 15 10:09PM -0500
I'm not a nutritionist but I've found that a large strawberry shake
from Micky D's or the B. King packs away an "easy" 1000 calories and
for me is less troublesome than carrying (and chugging) 4 Ensures.
"William D. Volk" <willia...@gmail.com> Dec 15 08:35PM -0800
I had hyper-lipidity 25 years ago and gave up many foods to get my
cholesterol down to the 130's (sans medication).
I have found that unrefined coconut oil does not seem to cause problems (in
moderation) and I do drink coconut milk on occasion.
The bad reputation is for hydrogenated versions of these fats.
My two cents.
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"Susan Otcenas" <su...@teamestrogen.com> Dec 16 09:47AM -0800
>>What I find to work best is Ensure Plus and I drank about 25
or so 8 oz bottles of the milk chocolate variety on PBP.
I drank FORTY bottles of latte Perpetuem on PBP. Believe it or not, I
can still stand to be in the same room with it!
In general, I prefer real food on rides, especially at the 200/300
distance. But over that, particularly if it's cold, I find I have a
hard time getting enough calories without feeling like I'm always
chewing. Having calories in my bottles evens out the flow of calories
into my system and generally keeps me from bonking on longer rides.
YMMV,
Susan
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<http://groups.google.com/group/randon/t/ac5ae79d02afef38> Lumotec LYT
andy <sagit...@gmail.com> Dec 15 09:13PM -0800
I bought a new LYT. It is reasonably bright, but has a funny heart-
shaped dark pattern in the middle of the beam. It is best seen at
0:30-0:40 in my low-quality video: http://youtu.be/VyRnKm5neSY
My pattern is worse than the photo on the B&M website: http://goo.gl/xpYB6
Is this normal?
Thanks,
Andy
Brian Ogilvie <bwog...@gmail.com> Dec 16 10:16AM +0100
Hi Andy,
Is this the same Lyt that you asked about last month on Bicycle
Lifestyle (http://tinyurl.com/bv86qp5), or did you replace that one?
As I wrote on that list, my Lyt has a similar pattern; I think it's a
result of the lens design that B&M used to get both asymmetrical
distance illumination and near field illumination.
If it really bothers you, you could take the light back to the shop
where you bought it and exchange it for another one.
Brian
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andy <sagit...@gmail.com> Dec 16 07:59AM -0800
Hi Brian,
It is the same Lyt. I did not seek an exchange because I bent and
scratched up the mounting bracket pretty bad. I had hoped I would get
accustomed to the pattern in six weeks, but I have not. The dark
voids in the middle are terrible; I lose sight of potholes and trash
in the dark spots.
I am really curious why no one else is complaining about this. On one
hand, both you and Peter White said it was to be expected. On the
other hand, my pattern looks nothing like the photo posted by Peter.
And Jan Heine gave a pleasant review
http://janheine.wordpress.com/2011/12/09/new-led-taillight-solutions/
Design point or defective unit? Unknown. Right now I do not
recommend the Lyt to anyone.
Andy
Brian Ogilvie <bwog...@gmail.com> Dec 16 05:30PM +0100
Hi Andy,
It does sound like your light is defective, then. It's hard to judge
based on the video, since cameras often adjust their sensitivity to
match the available light, but it looks like the near field lighting
on yours is a lot brighter than it should be; on mine, most of the
light ends up getting thrown into the far field, and the dark spots
aren't that big--they're similar to the gap between the near-field and
far-field lighting on my Cyo R.
I wonder if the LED isn't positioned properly? If it's in the wrong
place, the lens might not be focusing the light properly. I once
dropped a blinky down a five-story stairwell (by accident!). It still
worked after I gathered the pieces and assembled them, but many of the
LEDs had been knocked out of place and were no longer properly aligned
with the lens. Those ones were a lot dimmer than the other ones.
Something similar might be the case with yours. If you bought it at an
LBS that values your business, you might be able to return it anyway.
(They could always swap the brackets if yours is too scratched to
return to B&M.)
I'm curious to see if anyone else on Randon-L uses the Lyt and what they
think.
Brian
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Jan Heine <hei...@earthlink.net> Dec 16 08:31AM -0800
Brian,
Looking at your beam pattern and the one on the B&M site (they have
two up, and I am talking about the one on the left side as a little
thumbnail here
http://www.bumm.de/produkte/dynamo-scheinwerfer/lumotec-lyt.html),
the beam patterns are the same. So the limitation is inherent in the
light.
Everybody has different sensitivities to dark spots. Some riders are
really bothered by the dark spot immediately in front of the light
that you get with the IQ Cyo and Edelux, but most randonneurs scan the
road much further ahead anyhow.
When the Lyt was evaluated for Bicycle Quarterly, it was compared to
other similarly priced LED lights (like the Spanninga and the Planet
Bike), as well as older halogen ligths (like the E6). The Lyt was in a
different class, much better. However, if you want the ultimate in
illumination, I recommend the IQ Cyo, or even better, the Edelux.
Jan Heine
Compass Bicycles Ltd.
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<http://groups.google.com/group/randon/t/a8b184d6448276b> Iphone
"William D. Volk" <willia...@gmail.com> Dec 15 11:48AM -0800
Kind of,
Motion-X GPS will let you upload a route and will show you where you are on
it. It can also cache maps, so it will work when there's no cell signal ...
like on Kitchen Creek road out here in San Diego County.
William D. Volk
On Dec 15, 2011, at 8:25 AM, sehtzek wrote:
Ian Boehm <bohe...@melbpc.org.au> Dec 16 08:40AM +1100
On 16/12/2011 3:25 AM, sehtzek wrote:
> by turn directions?
> I'm trying to decide if I need to spend another chunk of change on a
> Garmin 800 or if I can accomplish the same thing with my Iphone.
G'day Scott
Following is the text of my recent post to the Audax Oz list. It's not
been edited for local references but some it might be of use to you and
others on this list. Have fun. Oh and Garmin makes an iphone dongle for
receiving ANT+ signals. The photo that I saw most definitely shows that
it doesn't have a iphone socket so that it can't be charged on the move.
Have fun.
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Early this year I bought an iphone linked to Telstra 3G. Thought was
given to using its GPS capabilities on rides so the Cyclemeter app was
bought and installed and the B&M Ewerk plus battery was installed on the
recumbent to keep the ifone battery topped up. Battery life isn't
wonderful when not much is happening and would be less so when
processing the GPS data. The batphone is parked under the lid of the
rack bag where it has a very good view of the sky. This solution is only
suitable for good weather as most mobile phone offerings are far from
water resistant.
The app does a fine job of keeping track of where I am in 3 dimensions
though I'm not confident of the accuracy of GPS derived altitude.
Cyclemeter generates a .gpx file which can beRoy Yates <royd...@gmail.com> Dec 16 11:21AM -0800
Susan Otcena's comment
"I drank FORTY bottles of latte Perpetuem on PBP. Believe it or not,
I
can still stand to be in the same room with it!"
reminded me that I still can't stand to be in the same room as my PBP
bike. A month after I got home, I reassembled the bike and hung it up
in a corner of the basement. Since then, I've done R-12 rides on a
variety of other bikes. I wonder if I'll be ready to ride my PBP bike
some time next spring.
So am I alone here?Jeff Sammons <jcs...@yahoo.com> Dec 16 11:42AM -0800
My PBP bike is still hanging in the garage without a chain, and has never been cleaned or riden since. Same goes for my Camelbak.
I too have completed R-12 rides on my other bikes. Maybe over Christmas holidays I'll get the PBP bike back in running order!
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To: randon <ran...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 1:21 PM
Subject: [Randon] Have you ridden your PBP bike since PBP?
Susan Otcena's comment
"I drank FORTY bottles of latte Perpetuem on PBP. Believe it or not,
I can still stand to be in the same room with it!"
reminded me that I still can't stand to be in the same room as my PBP
bike. A month after I got home, I reassembled the bike and hung it up
in a corner of the basement. Since then, I've done R-12 rides on a
variety of other bikes. I wonder if I'll be ready to ride my PBP bike
some time next spring.
So am I alone here?
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Alas, my PBP pet is the one for me.....and most of my miles :) So, yep, already gone through another chain and set of cables since PBP. The little carbon cutie just sits in the garage pouting on pretty days and lovin' it when the weather's NOT so nice and the "big" bike goes out.
Pam Wright
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Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Randon] Have you ridden your PBP bike since PBP?
My PBP bike is still hanging in the garage without a chain, and has never been cleaned or riden since. Same goes for my Camelbak.
I too have completed R-12 rides on my other bikes. Maybe over Christmas holidays I'll get the PBP bike back in running order!
From: Roy Yates <royd...@gmail.com>
To: randon <ran...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 1:21 PM
Subject: [Randon] Have you ridden your PBP bike since PBP?
Susan Otcena's comment
"I drank FORTY bottles of latte Perpetuem on PBP. Believe it or not,
I can still stand to be in the same room with it!"
reminded me that I still can't stand to be in the same room as my PBP
bike. A month after I got home, I reassembled the bike and hung it up
in a corner of the basement. Since then, I've done R-12 rides on a
variety of other bikes. I wonder if I'll be ready to ride my PBP bike
some time next spring.
So am I alone here?
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For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/randon?hl=en.Ian Hennessey <i...@awliscombe.co.uk> Dec 16 08:29PM
I had to ride mine home after PBP. Mind you, I live a little closer than
most of you. I have mostly been on the fixed since then.
Ian H
Audax UK
PS: anyone in Paris on Jan 14?WMdeR <wmder...@gmail.com> Dec 16 12:32PM -0800
Dear Roy,
My randonneur is the machine that best fits my core uses, fits me
best, and is the one I reach for with a smile unless I have some
specialized reason not to ride it.
I haven't done any organized brevets since PBP, but my PBP bike was on
the road the morning after I finished for an 40Km warmdown ride. I
rode it 80Km or so that Friday, just bopping around Paris, and I got
another short jaunt in on Saturday before I boxed it up.
Once I got it back to the USA, I wasn't able to ride it until it was
delivered to my home, but I commute on it daily and it finds itself on
most of my weekend rides as well. I did put a steel cassette back on
it, gave Mike Kone his prototype René Herse crank back (I'd tested it
in France--looking forward to getting one of my own out of the next
batch), and oiled the chain.
Why ride anything less well-suited?
Best Regards,
Will
William M. deRosset
Fort Collins, CO
Jan Heine <hei...@earthlink.net> Dec 16 01:23PM -0800
My PBP bike has been on a tour across France, see
http://janheine.wordpress.com/2011/09/21/a-trip-to-france/
Then it went to the Raid Pyreneen, all within two weeks of PBP. Great memories!
Upon returning to the U.S., it's been on an epic trip back from
Portland's Oregon Manifest, see
http://janheine.wordpress.com/2011/10/07/a-mountain-adventure/
Right now, it's in pieces, as I want to fit our new Rene Herse
cranks... I never ride much in November and December, but I can't
wait to get back on the road soon to start the new season.
Jan Heine
Editor
Bicycle Quarterly
2116 Western Ave.
Seattle WA 98121
http://www.bikequarterly.com
Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/William Pustow <BPu...@aol.com> Dec 16 05:53PM -0500
William,
Did you find an alternative to taking it on the plane or did the airline simply loose it for awhile?
Regards,
Bill
Louisville,Ky
On Dec 16, 2011, at 3:32 PM, WMdeR wrote:
"Jim House" <jho...@ccsol.com> Dec 16 06:15PM -0500
I still rode it about 1,300 miles after getting home. But now it cold and
we have already had snow on the ground - so off on the fender bike till
spring.
Today we passed the wettest year ever recorded in Toledo Ohio - glad I did
not need a lot of that wet riding experience at PBP this year.
MERRY CHRISTMAS
Jim House
Maumee, OH
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Roy Yates
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 2:22 PM
To: randon
Subject: [Randon] Have you ridden your PBP bike since PBP?
Susan Otcena's comment
"I drank FORTY bottles of latte Perpetuem on PBP. Believe it or not,
I
can still stand to be in the same room with it!"
reminded me that I still can't stand to be in the same room as my PBP bike.
A month after I got home, I reassembled the bike and hung it up in a corner
of the basement. Since then, I've done R-12 rides on a variety of other
bikes. I wonder if I'll be ready to ride my PBP bike some time next spring.
So am I alone here?
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http://groups.google.com/group/randon?hl=en.trplay <hdus...@yahoo.com> Dec 16 04:08PM -0800
Oh goodness, No I have been riding moose as much as I can. I even
put the little feller on a diet <a href="http://trplay1.wordpress.com/
2011/12/16/a-different-pick-three/">see here</a> and he lost 5
pounds. I keep thinking how much different riding the PBP with the
lighter bike and if I dropped the 25 pound self support bag. Maybe I
can find out in 2015?
Eric Keller <eeke...@psu.edu> Dec 16 07:17PM -0500
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 7:08 PM, trplay <hdus...@yahoo.com> wrote:I keep
thinking how much different riding the PBP with the
> lighter bike and if I dropped the 25 pound self support bag. Maybe I
> can find out in 2015?
I think it's safe to say that losing 30 pounds off the bike would make it a
very different experience. I find that about 10 pounds is where climbing
becomes less of a chore. Drop bags are where it's at.
EricKole Kantner <kkan...@gmail.com> Dec 16 04:43PM -0800
Drop bags may be a good idea for me to try out sometime, but I find that
dollars or euros in the pocket of unpadded nylon shorts considerably
lighten the load. A very light breathable Gore Tex jacket is also nice
for colder or wetter periods. A light wool shirt and thin leg
warmers/coolers are helpful for full weather range applicability. Light
wool or polar tec gloves with optional waterproof shells are good for
colder conditions.
Kole
On 12/16/11 4:17 PM, Eric Keller wrote:Chris Heg <che...@comcast.net> Dec 16 05:51PM -0800
950 on the PBP bike plus 400 on other bikes. It's the best ride I
have.
William Pustow <BPu...@aol.com> Dec 16 09:20PM -0500
Since PBP, I've ridden 1667 miles on various bikes. I rode PBP on a Rivendell Hilsen. The boy was unpacked and cleaned a week after getting home. I have not ridden Homer much since than because I can only justify, (in my own mind AND to my wife), my stable if I at least ride each bike at least 1200 miles a year. Yea, I know stupid but such is married life. Since Homer has had the pleasure of riding 2 1200K's he's in his stall resting. The other guys, with carbon, steel, and ti muscle, have been spreading they're legs They're all fine, they all fit, except they all have certain advantages depending upon the conditions.
I hope it snows soon so I can fully appreciate the Mukluk (snow bike).
Oh, and I'm up to 10,000 miles this year so that justifies another bike -WooHoo!!!
Bill
Louisville. Ky
On Dec 16, 2011, at 6:15 PM, Jim House wrote:
Bob the Wheelbuilder <bob...@gmail.com> Dec 16 07:55PM -0800
My PBP bike still sits unpacked in it's S&S box. I've done 3 200K's
on my road bike and one 200K on my backup brevet bike. I hope to get
my main squeeze back together over the holidays.oldmangabe <oldma...@gmail.com> Dec 16 10:17PM -0800
I just rebuilt my PBP bike last weekend. I haven't ridden it yet.
I've been busy riding my other 3 favorite rando bikes since I got
back. Hmmm...I think I need to diversify my bike collection.
Gabe"Jim Logan" <jimlo...@gmail.com> Dec 17 10:55AM -0500
>> So am I alone here?<<
Nope.
I noticed in 2012 I only ride my brevet bike on brevets, and my carbon bike
for everything else. That leads to some "humorous" episodes, such as
getting 150 miles into a brevet before realizing my seat height is wrong.
Weight just matters when you climb a lot of extended hills 10-15% (i.e.
Western PA).
My brevet bike is already sexy, as it is a hand-built coupled steel bike
from Stephen Bilenky in Philadelphia. But to make it a closer weight
competitor to my carbon bike, I sent it back to Stephen after PBP. "We"
are converting it from a triple to a double, and it is getting a carbon fork
and handlebars. I've also decide modernize to STI shifters from downtube
shifters. It's getting a new head tube to accommodate modern forks, and a
new paint job as well. I bought a titanium rear rack to replace my aluminum
rack. I wait for the day Sella Anatomica comes out with a titanium framed
saddle (hinted at).
Jim Logan
Pittsburgh
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From: ran...@googlegroups.com [mailto:ran...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Roy Yates
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 2:22 PM
To: randon
Subject: [Randon] Have you ridden your PBP bike since PBP?
Susan Otcena's comment
"I drank FORTY bottles of latte Perpetuem on PBP. Believe it or not,
I
can still stand to be in the same room with it!"
reminded me that I still can't stand to be in the same room as my PBP bike.
A month after I got home, I reassembled the bike and hung it up in a corner
of the basement. Since then, I've done R-12 rides on a variety of other
bikes. I wonder if I'll be ready to ride my PBP bike some time next spring.
So am I alone here?
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http://groups.google.com/group/randon?hl=en.Richard James <bi...@technomagical.com> Dec 17 08:08AM -0800
My PBP bike is also S&S and was in the box until last weekend. Now
it's assembled and nearly rideable (needs a chain). No shortage of
other bikes to ride, but haven't done any rides beyond 200k since PBP.
Mitchel <oksure...@mac.com> Dec 17 08:14AM -0800
Now you've done it. This thread has convinced me to go out this morning for a spin on my rando bike. I hope I remember how to clip into the pedals. Cycling seems to be a distant memory, like some faint dream of a former life. Did I really do PBP?
Mitchel
On Dec 17, 2011, at 8:08 AM, Richard James wrote:
pamela blalock <el...@blayleys.com> Dec 16 08:54PM -0500
Well I posted back on Aug 3 that I didn't like the LYT... tried it on
a commuter bike.
I do like the CYO that is on the bike I used for brevets this year.
pamela blalock
watertown, ma
http://blayleys.blogspot.com
Brian Ogilvie <bwog...@gmail.com> Dec 17 12:37PM +0100
It was Andy who originally posted, not me. My impression--and it's
only that, given the limitations of judging the light based on a
video--is that his dark spot is much larger and darker than the one on
my Lyt or on the B&M website. That's what makes me wonder whether the
LED on his Lyt is not positioned properly behind the lens.
The Cyo and Ixon IQ are much nicer lights, but at a much higher price point!
Brian
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BEN STAGGS
Dec 17, 2011, 1:00:48 PM12/17/11
to randon
Hello, Ohio people, Texas people. I remember meeting Pam and Dan at PBP. About bikes used on PBP I have a favor to ask y'all, I am looking for feedback on what your regular Rusa rider uses on PBP. Please send off-list a breif description of your frame type, wheels, grouppo, major asccesories-- bags, lights, seat, etc.
This is contributing to a article I and others are writing about the PBP experience. (add any writing on topics about it you find pertinant if you feel like doing so, merci Ben)
sincerely yours, Ben S.
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This is contributing to a article I and others are writing about the PBP experience. (add any writing on topics about it you find pertinant if you feel like doing so, merci Ben)
sincerely yours, Ben S.
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