Re: [Randon] Real Food - Ensure, etc

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John Hughes

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Dec 15, 2011, 6:55:58 PM12/15/11
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Doug,

We're each an experiment of one.  In the video Allen Lim talks about the different diets that different riders on the same team consume. If Ensure works for you, that's great!

I often recommend to clients that they send a meal replacement drink like Endure or Boost in their drop bags.  A couple of bottles make a quick, if not gourmet, meal before a sleep break and again instead of breakfast.

They can also be used as part of the event nutrition on the bike; however, one caution.  One bottle of Ensure / Boost contains 25% of the Daily Value of magnesium.  Too much magnesium causes diarrhea.  I know of one randonneur who, on the advice of his gastroenterologist, took Immodium prophylacticaly.  I'm not recommending anyone do that—just a caution.

Although I prefer steel-cut rolled oats and a fresh espresso when possible, on an event I've been known to have an Ensure and a Frappuccino:-)

Cheers,
John

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    dougm <drmi...@gmail.com> Dec 15 08:29AM -0800  

    I'm a relative newbie to our sport and get lots of nausea after 300 k
    or so. What I find to work best is Ensure Plus and I drank about 25
    or so 8 oz bottles of the milk chocolate variety on PBP. It worked
    real well. What do you think of this approach?
     
     

     

    Eric Keller <eeke...@psu.edu> Dec 15 12:02PM -0500  

    I'm somewhat surprised that you could get Ensure on PBP, where did you get
    it?
    Eric
     

     

    sehtzek <sall...@pacbell.net> Dec 15 08:25AM -0800  

    Is there an app out there that will allow the Iphone to work like a
    Garmin (be able to upload gpx files to the iphone) and give you turn
    by turn directions?
     
    I'm trying to decide if I need to spend another chunk of change on a
    Garmin 800 or if I can accomplish the same thing with my Iphone.
     
    Thanks
     
    Scott

     

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sekhem313

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Dec 15, 2011, 9:46:08 PM12/15/11
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Hi Doug and John and all Rando Friends!
I agree that real food is good but the 'sandwich an hour' strategy seems to present real problems on a 40 hr ride.  Supplementing (not substituting!) liquid calories seems to be helpful especially in the dregs of that last 200K.

I've been experimenting with a whole variety of options - commercial/home made, health food/junkie etc etc (who doesn't want to stuff a Guiness in the jersey pocket ? :).  My current  obsession  is coconut milk (with a big shout out for the  chocolate mint variety!).  I found the energy delivery exceeds the other commercial products that I've tried (I get variable results w/ products like Endure, poor results from Hammer products, soymilk, etc).  Coconut milk is packed with  medium-chain fatty acids (MCFAs) that are rapidly digestible and are assimilated (almost) as rapidly as carbohydrates.  MCFAs are given to critically ill patients exactly because its directly metabolized as energy and is not converted and stored in muscle as lipid..
 
I'm hoping that there's a nutritionist out there who can answer the $10 question-
the fats in coconut have been traditionally lumped together w/ palm fats  as being bad for the body because they are technically saturated fats.  Coconut milk also contains a large amount of lauric acid which is associated w/ unhealthy serum lipid profiles.  So is there any reason NOT to move to the tropics and live off of coconuts?
 
Happy Holidays everybody!
T
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Subject: Re: [Randon] Real Food - Ensure, etc
Doug,

We're each an experiment of one.  In the video Allen Lim talks about the different diets that different riders on the same team consume. If Ensure works for you, that's great!

I often recommend to clients that they send a meal replacement drink like Endure or Boost in their drop bags.  A couple of bottles make a quick, if not gourmet, meal before a sleep break and again instead of breakfast.

They can also be used as part of the event nutrition on the bike; however, one caution.  One bottle of Ensure / Boost contains 25% of the Daily Value of magnesium.  Too much magnesium causes diarrhea.  I know of one randonneur who, on the advice of his gastroenterologist, took Immodium prophylacticaly.  I'm not recommending anyone do that—just a caution.

Although I prefer steel-cut rolled oats and a fresh espresso when possible, on an event I've been known to have an Ensure and a Frappuccino:-)

Cheers,
John

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Randon Nerd

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Dec 15, 2011, 10:09:09 PM12/15/11
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I'm not a nutritionist but I've found that a large strawberry shake
from Micky D's or the B. King packs away an "easy" 1000 calories and
for me is less troublesome than carrying (and chugging) 4 Ensures.

William D. Volk

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Dec 15, 2011, 11:35:21 PM12/15/11
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I had hyper-lipidity 25 years ago and gave up many foods to get my cholesterol down to the 130's (sans medication).  

I have found that unrefined coconut oil does not seem to cause problems (in moderation) and I do drink coconut milk on occasion.  

The bad reputation is for hydrogenated versions of these fats.  

My two cents.

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Susan Otcenas

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Dec 16, 2011, 12:47:29 PM12/16/11
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>>What I find to work best is Ensure Plus and I drank about 25
or so 8 oz bottles of the milk chocolate variety on PBP.
 
I drank FORTY bottles of latte Perpetuem on PBP.   Believe it or not, I can still stand to be in the same room with it! 
 
In general, I prefer real food on rides, especially at the 200/300 distance.  But over that, particularly if it's cold, I find I have a hard time getting enough calories without feeling like I'm always chewing.  Having calories in my bottles evens out the flow of calories into my system and generally keeps me from bonking on longer rides.
 
YMMV,
 
Susan
 
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Dec 16, 2011, 8:55:57 PM12/16/11
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On Dec 16, 9:47 am, "Susan Otcenas" <su...@teamestrogen.com> wrote:

> I drank FORTY bottles of latte Perpetuem on PBP.   Believe it or not, I
> can still stand to be in the same room with it!
>


No wonder you had the technicolor yawns on the way back to Paris ;-)

roadijeff

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Dec 24, 2011, 8:44:31 PM12/24/11
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I didn't see anyone mention Spiz. Maybe I just missed it.

Anyway, during PBP I drink Spiz for my primary source of fuel. I mix
it in a Camelbak and the result is 1,500 calories per serving. I try
to drink one between each control, plus a bottle of Gatorade. I
alternate between the vanilla and chocolate flavors.
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