Apple is officially upset Google exposed the imaginary security Apple widely promotes (blaming Google for the iOS diarrhea)

[Arlen G. Holder]

Apple is officially upset Google exposed the imaginary security Apple
widely promotes (blaming Google for the iOS diarrhea)

Yet again, Apple plays up what turns out to be wholly imaginary security!
o Where they attempt to explain the iOS diarrhea by blaming Google!

The facts clearly show
o Apple markets itself as the company you can trust,
o And yet, Apple clearly never tests iOS sufficiently
o Proven by iOS releases being a known diarrhea of security/privacy exploits.

o Apple accuses Google of 'stoking fear' over iPhone security issues
<https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/6/20853115/apple-google-iphone-security-flaw-uighur-community-fud>

o The stakes are too high for Apple to spin the iPhone exploits
<https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/6/20853393/apple-iphone-ios-exploits-statement-security-google-false-impressions>

"Apple isn't happy about the way Google revealed a major iPhone security
flaw recently. Google security researchers revealed that malicious websites
used [14 separate] previously undisclosed security flaws in iOS [from iOS
10 to 12] to hack [indiscriminately] into [all Apple iOS] devices over at
least two years. While Apple doesn't dispute the research, the company
accuses Google of ´stoking fear among all iPhone users that their devices
had been compromised"

Notice Apple clearly lied in the iOS 1.2.1.4 release notes
o Cleverly calling all 14 exploits a single memory corruption issue
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT209520>

Which release ALREADY PROVED Apple never tests iOS dirrhea sufficiently
o In that a mere child could easily find huge iOS exploits (and did)
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/BHPp-e77nSM/jEDzQfyOAAAJ>

Which, itself, was on top of extremely many prior iOS diarrhea exploits.
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/FCKRA_3i9CY/Bm40liKdEQAJ>
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/8HfdPOQVNVk/dtPTyTltCgAJ>
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/1V5tFA1OQ0w/qmc4iiUWCQAJ>

All themselves a continuing series of exploits in untested iOS diarrhea.

You can read the bullshit from Apple over here
o Where they attempt to explain the iOS diarrhea by blaming Google!

Remember, this is the same Apple that lied to Congress about throttling!
o And who _secretly_ drastically & permanently halved CPU speeds!
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/wTAPRuSJoaw/Vd1ip6CWAAAJ>

Given Apple lied to Congress and to all its customers about throttling
o It's perfectly apropos that Apple now blames Gogle for its iOS diarrhea

A message about iOS security
<https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2019/09/a-message-about-ios-security/>

[Alan Baker]

On 2019-09-06 8:38 p.m., Arlen G. Holder wrote:
> Apple is officially upset Google exposed the imaginary security Apple
> widely promotes (blaming Google for the iOS diarrhea)

No. Apple didn't do that.

>
> Yet again, Apple plays up what turns out to be wholly imaginary security!
> o Where they attempt to explain the iOS diarrhea by blaming Google!

Nope.

>
> The facts clearly show
> o Apple markets itself as the company you can trust,
> o And yet, Apple clearly never tests iOS sufficiently
> o Proven by iOS releases being a known diarrhea of security/privacy exploits.
>
> o Apple accuses Google of 'stoking fear' over iPhone security issues
> <https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/6/20853115/apple-google-iphone-security-flaw-uighur-community-fud>

Google "revealed" a flaw that Apple fixed 6 months ago.

From your own source:

'Apple fixed the vulnerabilities back in February, just 10 days after it
learned about the security issues.'

Note that: not 10 days after Google announced it. 10 days after Apple
learned about it.

Indeed:

'Google’s post, issued six months after iOS patches were released,
creates the false impression of “mass exploitation” to “monitor the
private activities of entire populations in real time,” stoking fear
among all iPhone users that their devices had been compromised. This was
never the case.'

SIX MONTHS.

[Arlen G. Holder]

On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 20:49:28 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:

> 'Google's post, issued six months after iOS patches were released,
> creates the false impression of mass exploitation to monitor the

> private activities of entire populations in real time,stoking fear

> among all iPhone users that their devices had been compromised. This was
> never the case.'

Hi Alan Baker,

Almost EVERY iOS DEVICE ON THE PLANET was vulnerable, for years, Alan!
o You apologists let Apple (rather cleverly) avoid saying that very fact!

1. Google posted the truth.
2. Apple doesn't like the truth.
3. The truth is Apple didn't test the iOS diarrhea (Google even said so)
4. The truth is we already KNEW that iOS is a diarrhea of exploits

Do you really want me to list the scores of cites proving that fact Alan?

This particular iOS 12.1.4 exploit was on TOP of the FacePalm exploit
o An exploit that a mere child could have caught, Alan ... and did.

The proof is clear Apple never tests its iOS diarrhea sufficiently.

Google simply found 14 separate exploits, which covered *years* of iOS
releases, which Google said Apple should have easily caught - but did not.

Despite Apple's (rather clever) attempt to blame Google for these exploits
o The fact is that EVERY iOS DEVICE ON THE PLANET WAS VULNERABLE.

Apple doesn't like that fact - but that fact is simply due to one fact
o Apple never tests its iOS diarrhea sufficiently

The proof is in the astoundingly huge number of exploits in iOS releases
o There were over 16 MAJOR EXPLOITS in that one iOS 12.1.4 release alone

NONE of which Apple caught - kids did - Google did - hackers did.
o But not Apple.

Apple simply blames Google for Apple's proven lack of iOS testing!
o Apple, angry at Google, hits back at hack claims
<https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49617081>
"Apple┬ bone of contention isn┤ so much about what Google┬ Project Zero
team included in its report."

Notice Apple can't deny the facts
o So they (rather cleverly) blame Google for the fact iOS was full of holes

Almost EVERY iOS DEVICE ON THE PLANET was vulnerable, for years, Alan!
o You apologists let Apple (rather cleverly) hide from that very fact!

[Alan Baker]

On 2019-09-06 11:45 p.m., Arlen G. Holder wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 20:49:28 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> 'Google's post, issued six months after iOS patches were released,
>> creates the false impression of mass exploitation to monitor the
>> private activities of entire populations in real time,stoking fear
>> among all iPhone users that their devices had been compromised. This was
>> never the case.'
>
> Hi Alan Baker,
>
> Almost EVERY iOS DEVICE ON THE PLANET was vulnerable, for years, Alan!

No, actually.

Now stop snipping everything I say.

[Arlen G. Holder]

On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 23:48:19 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:

>> Almost EVERY iOS DEVICE ON THE PLANET was vulnerable, for years, Alan!
>
> No, actually.

Hi Alan Baker,

Simple adult question asking whether you comprehend basic facts:
o Was almost every iOS device from iOS 10 to iOS 12 vulnerable, or not?





--
HINT: I read the cites; and I comprehend them; so your answer will be
interesting, since Apple doesn't deny this fact - they simply blame Google
for their lack of testing on the iOS diarrhea that they constantly release.

[Alan Baker]

On 2019-09-06 11:57 p.m., Arlen G. Holder wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 23:48:19 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>>> Almost EVERY iOS DEVICE ON THE PLANET was vulnerable, for years, Alan!
>>
>> No, actually.
>
> Hi Alan Baker,
>

> Simple...

If you cannot behave yourself like a civilized adult, I see no need to
accede to anything you want.

[Arlen G. Holder]

On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 00:01:10 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:

> If you cannot behave yourself like a civilized adult, I see no need to
> accede to anything you want.

I knew you wouldn't answer the question, which, in a way is a good thing.
o It means you comprehend that Apple is blaming Google for Apple's flaws.

Apple doesn't dispute that Google said truthfully that almost every iOS
device on the planet, for years, from the iOS 10 diarrhea to the iOS 12
diarrhea, contained a huge number of security flaws at almost every level
of the operating system.

Apple doesn't even dispute that Google said that Apple clearly did not
sufficiently tested the releases (which was obvious from sophomoric nature
of the flaws even if it wasn't ON TOP OF the sophomoric nature of the
FacePalm flaws in that very same set of iOS releases).

The only thing Apple disputes is that they're angry at Google for letting
people know.

This is a BBC quote, by way of example:
"There are also questions for Apple, however. If, as claimed in its
statement, Apple knew about the iOS flaw before Google informed them, why
did they not properly inform their users?"
<https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49617081>

Remember Alan, Apple doesn't dispute the facts:
"Apple did not, however, dispute the specifics of how the campaign worked.
Researchers from Google's elite Project Zero security group identified five
different exploit strategies the malicious sites could use to compromise
iPhones running almost every version of iOS 10 through iOS 12."
<https://www.wired.com/story/ios-hacks-apple-response/>

Apple is simply angry at Google for TELLING people the facts.
o In essence, like you apologists, Apple blames the messenger of facts.

[Alan Baker]

On 2019-09-07 12:11 a.m., Arlen G. Holder wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 00:01:10 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> If you cannot behave yourself like a civilized adult, I see no need to
>> accede to anything you want.

> I knew you wou...

"Wou"? What was "wou" mean, Arlen.

I told you: start behaving like a civilize adult and maybe we can have
an actual conversation.

Or I'll just point out to you that you've clipped so much of what I've
said, and that must clearly mean YOU couldn't handle it.

:-)

[Arlen G. Holder]

On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 00:17:19 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:

> I told you: start behaving like a civilize adult and maybe we can have
> an actual conversation.

The facts are clear, Alan Baker:

1. Almost every iOS device on the planet from iOS 10 to iOS 12 was
vulnerable to this exploit simply because, as Google clearly stated, Apple
did not sufficiently test these iOS releases.
o Mysterious iOS Attack Changes Everything We Know About iPhone Hacking
<https://www.wired.com/story/ios-attack-watering-hole-project-zero/>

2. Apple is mad at Google for what Apple called 'scare mongering' even
though Apple does NOT DISPUTE iOS devices were indiscriminately "instantly"
compromised (the exploits were that effective!).

3. In fact, Apple does NOT dispute a single fact in Google's in-depth
analysis of the 14 security flaws where were widespread throughout the iOS
operating system.

"Google's researchers found that the attackers focused on defeating the
protections surrounding key, often-attacked areas of iOS. Seven of the bugs
related to Apple's Safari browser. Five vulnerabilities were in the kernel,
the operating system's core code. And the hackers exploited two distinct
"sandbox escape" vulnerabilities, used to defeat protections against apps
from interacting with other programs or data."
<https://www.wired.com/story/ios-hacks-apple-response/>

4. Worse, Apple claimed they _knew_ about these flaws from iOS 10 to iOS 12
(and yet, not only did they not fix them - they didn't TELL anyone about
them) - and - even AFTER Google reported them to Apple - Apple tremendously
minimized the transparency by claiming there was a single "memory
corruption" issue (which is clearly yet another lie told by Apple).

As Wired reported today:
"Attackers were using numerous valuable iOS exploits with abandon."
<https://www.wired.com/story/ios-hacks-apple-response/>

Which Apple does NOT dispute.
"The Apple statement doesn't contravene the central significance of the
attacks."

What Apple doesn't like is that Google informed people about iOS flaws.
o The truth instantly DESTROYS the _illusion_ Apple carefully husbands

[Alan Baker]

On 2019-09-07 12:30 a.m., Arlen G. Holder wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 00:17:19 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> I told you: start behaving like a civilize adult and maybe we can have
>> an actual conversation.

> The facts are clear...

They are.

You're so incompetent that you you're now double-posting

[nospam]

In article <qkvjm1$42f$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen G. Holder

<arlen.g...@arlenholder.net> wrote:

> Almost EVERY iOS DEVICE ON THE PLANET was vulnerable, for years,

nope.

> 1. Google posted the truth.

nope. they posted only part of the truth with the intention to mislead
the public.

> 2. Apple doesn't like the truth.

wrong. apple exposed google for their misleading statements.

[nospam]

In article <qkvkcu$52b$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen G. Holder

<arlen.g...@arlenholder.net> wrote:

>
> >> Almost EVERY iOS DEVICE ON THE PLANET was vulnerable, for years, Alan!
> >
> > No, actually.
>
>

> Simple adult question asking whether you comprehend basic facts:
> o Was almost every iOS device from iOS 10 to iOS 12 vulnerable, or not?

that's not the same as every ios device on the planet.

[Arlen G. Holder]

On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 00:34:33 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:

> You're so incompetent that you you're now double-posting

Hi Alan Baker,

Play your silly games just like Apple is playing its silly games.

FACTS:
o Apple takes flak for disputing iOS security bombshell dropped by Google
o Apple statement alienates the security community when the company needs it most.
<https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/09/apple-takes-flak-for-disputing-ios-security-bombshell-dropped-by-google/>

"Apple is taking flak for disputing some minor details of last week's
bombshell report that, for at least two years, customers' iOS devices were
vulnerable to a sting of zeroday exploits, at least some of which were
actively exploited to install malware that stole location data, passwords,
encryption keys, and a wealth of other highly sensitive data."

[Arlen G. Holder]

On Sat, 07 Sep 2019 08:56:39 -0400, nospam wrote:

>> Almost EVERY iOS DEVICE ON THE PLANET was vulnerable, for years,
>
> nope.
>
>
>
>> 1. Google posted the truth.
>
> nope. they posted only part of the truth with the intention to mislead
> the public.
>
>> 2. Apple doesn't like the truth.
>
> wrong. apple exposed google for their misleading statements.

Play your silly games, nospam.
o You Apple Apologists have zero defense to FACTS.

What's amazing about you Apple Apologists is that you make blanket
statements sans even a shred of proof - just like flat earthers do.

You're _immune_ to facts, such as these facts:
o Nearly every iOS device on the planet from 10 to 12 was vulnerable
o Google clearly stated Apple should have caught these sophomoric exploits

Yet again, this proves what I've been saying all along:
o Apple markets the mere _illusion_ of privacy
o The truth is that Apple does not test iOS sufficiently

We can ask _why_ Apple doesn't bother to test iOS sufficiently
o Where we know its customers _love_ the mere frequency of release

There's a reason I call it the iOS diarrhea, nospam.
o A very good reason - based on facts.

Apple takes flak for disputing iOS security bombshell dropped by Google

[Arlen G. Holder]

On Sat, 07 Sep 2019 08:56:40 -0400, nospam wrote:

>> Simple adult question asking whether you comprehend basic facts:
>> o Was almost every iOS device from iOS 10 to iOS 12 vulnerable, or not?
>
> that's not the same as every ios device on the planet.

Hi nospam,

FACTS first... then logical adult assessment.

FACTS:
o Google exposed that Apple advertises the mere illusion of iOS security.

"TAG was able to collect five separate, complete and unique iPhone
exploit chains, covering almost every version from iOS 10 through to the
latest version of iOS 12."
<https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/a-very-deep-dive-into-ios-exploit.html>

Apple does not (& can not) dispute ANY of the facts of the vulnerabilities!
o Nor that Google proved Apple does not test iOS diarrhea sufficiently!

"Also missing from Apple's statement is any response to the blistering
criticism the Project Zero report made of Apple┬ development process,
which the report alleges missed vulnerabilities that in many cases should
have been easy to catch with standard quality-assurance processes."
<https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/09/apple-takes-flak-for-disputing-ios-security-bombshell-dropped-by-google/>

What Apple is doing, is what Apple does best - which is that they are
(admittedly cleverly) trying to blame Google using silly semantic issues,
when the fundamental problem is that Apple did not test iOS releases
sufficiently.

What Apple is doing is clear to _adults_, nospam:
o Apple is saying "It happened - but it wasn't bad. Move along".

And yet, almost every iOS 10 to 12 device on the planet, was vulnerable.
o Simply because Apple (yet again, as always), didn't test iOS sufficiently.

There's a _reason_ I call it the iOS diarrhea, nospam.
o Apple customers _feel_ safe simply from the fact of frequent releases.

Apple is happy to provide a diarrhea of releases that makes them feel safe.

[Alan Baker]

You like what that site has to say about this do you?

Remember your statement:

'Almost EVERY iOS DEVICE ON THE PLANET was vulnerable, for years, Alan!'

Well what does your article say?

'One of the few factual assertions Apple provided in the statement is
that the websites were probably operational for only about two months. '

Two months.

[Arlen G. Holder]

On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 08:44:53 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:

> You like what that site has to say about this do you?
> Remember your statement:
> 'Almost EVERY iOS DEVICE ON THE PLANET was vulnerable, for years, Alan!'
> Well what does your article say?
> 'One of the few factual assertions Apple provided in the statement is
> that the websites were probably operational for only about two months. '
> Two months.

Thank you Alan Baker for proving my point about your lack of comprehension!
a. Adults first comprehend basic facts
b. Then, adults form logical conclusions based on those facts

You did neither just now!
o I will explain so the ng list can comprehend what just happened.

FACTS:
1. Google stated clearly the 14 iOS FLAWs existed for two years.
(Apple does NOT dispute that fact.)

2. Google stated the FLAW affected almost every iOS device from 10 to 12.
(Apple does NOT dispute that fact.)

3. Google stated clearly the software essentially wasn't tested
(Apple mildly disputes that fact, saying they "care about privacy".)

Notice what ADULTS will notice based on those facts:
o Google never once said how long the web sites were in operation!
(Becuase that isn't what matters.)
o Google did accurately state how many phones were compromised
(Google clearly said it was in the "thousands" per day.)

Note that Apple doesn't (nay, can't) refute those facts above.
o So what does Apple do (they fool people like Alan Baker.)

The real question is why are people like Alan Baker so easily fooled?
o I don't know why.

I think it's because people like Alan Baker can't do two simple things:
a. They can't comprehend even the most basic of facts, and,
b. Hence, they can't form logical assessments of those basic facts.

The facts are clear, which Apple does NOT dispute:
o The flaws were in almost all iOS devices from iOS 10 to 12 for years!
o The flaws exist because Apple didn't do sufficient testing for years!

What Apple (admittedly brilliantly) said was as if Takita was saying:
o Yes our faulty airbags are in every car out there because we didn't test
o But - only thousands of people died per day - so it's really no big deal.

HINT: The facts are what matter - not Apple's self-serving spin on them!

Why are people like nospam & Alan Baker so easily swayed by Apple spin?
o I suspect they don't have the two things normal adults should have

a. The ability to comprehend basic facts, and,
b. The ability to form reasonable assessments of those basic facts.

[nospam]

In article <ql0o2r$v7h$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen G. Holder

<arlen.g...@arlenholder.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 08:44:53 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
> > You like what that site has to say about this do you?
> > Remember your statement:
> > 'Almost EVERY iOS DEVICE ON THE PLANET was vulnerable, for years, Alan!'
> > Well what does your article say?
> > 'One of the few factual assertions Apple provided in the statement is
> > that the websites were probably operational for only about two months. '
> > Two months.
>

> Thank you Alan Baker for proving my point about my lack of comprehension!

ftfy

[Arlen G. Holder]

On Sat, 07 Sep 2019 13:42:11 -0400, nospam wrote:

>> Thank you Alan Baker for proving my point about my lack of comprehension!
>
> ftfy

Thank you nospam for also proving my point that you apologists
o Have absolutely no defense to facts except child-like silly retorts

Your only response to facts - is to act like fifth graders
o Where only you think your childish fifth-grade response is "clever".

Why do you have no defense to facts?

o I don't know why.

I think it's because your entire belief system is wholly imaginary
o You believe whatever Apple marketing tells you to believe.

Hence, like believing in Santa Claus, your belief system is imaginary
o Your imaginary belief system is always instantly DESTROYED by facts.

[Alan Baker]

On 2019-09-07 10:06 a.m., Arlen G. Holder wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 08:44:53 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> You like what that site has to say about this do you?
>> Remember your statement:
>> 'Almost EVERY iOS DEVICE ON THE PLANET was vulnerable, for years, Alan!'
>> Well what does your article say?
>> 'One of the few factual assertions Apple provided in the statement is
>> that the websites were probably operational for only about two months. '
>> Two months.
> Thank you Alan Baker for proving my point about your lack of comprehension!

> a. Adults...

...behave civilly.

And you can't seem to manage it.

[Arlen G. Holder]

On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 23:46:20 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:

> ...behave civilly.
>
> And you can't seem to manage it.

Hi Alan Baker,

Notice the factually logical adult assessment below that:
o *Apple phones are _more risky_ than Android phones*

It's interesting that you apologists have no adult response to facts.
a. Adults comprehend facts
b. Adults form logical assessments

As an adult, I posted facts:
1. I posted a subject of temporal & on-topic significance
2. I backed up that post with numerous timely & factual cites
3. I responded to every on-topic objection - with _more_ on-topic facts.

The fact is Apple is angry at Google for exposing their imaginary security.
o Apple angry at Google for bursting iPhone security myth bubble
<https://cnnews9.com/2019/09/08/apple-angry-at-google-for-bursting-iphone-security-myth-bubble-mspoweruser/>
"Apple's statement shows little recognition of the fact that the only
reason more iPhones were not infected were not because iPhone security was
superior, but simply that the attack itself was relatively targetted."

"It has been pretty clear, from government-sponsored attacks, that
iPhones are as vulnerable as any other smartphone, and that they may
actually be more risky, due to giving users the impression that the
handsets are safer than they actually are, and by making it more difficult
to detect infections, as malware-scanning software is impossible to
install."

"While Apple appears to be attacking Google's Project Zero team, their
post contains no apology for the vulnerability to end-users, including the
vulnerable population in China.

"Google was however clear that iPhones were vulnerable because Apple was
negligent, saying:
'The root causes I highlight here are not novel and are often
overlooked: we'll see cases of code which seems to have never worked, code
that likely skipped QA or likely had little testing or review before being
shipped to users.'"

"While Apple claims they will "never stop our tireless work to keep our
users safe", it seems more likely the company will never stop defending
their ill-deserved (as reality repeatedly demonstrates) reputation for
safety and privacy."

[nospam]

In article <ql36dq$3k6$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen G. Holder
<arlen.g...@arlenholder.net> wrote:

> As an child, I made up facts:

ftfy

[Alan Baker]

On 2019-09-08 8:23 a.m., Arlen G. Holder wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 23:46:20 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> ...behave civilly.
>>
>> And you can't seem to manage it.
>
> Hi Alan Baker,
>

> Notice th...

...at you cannot behave in a civil manner?

e factually logical adult assessment below that:
> o *Apple phones are _more risky_ than Android phones*

That is an assertion unsupported by any fact you've ever presented.

[Arlen G. Holder]

On Sun, 8 Sep 2019 09:46:07 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:

> e factually logical adult assessment below that:
>> o *Apple phones are _more risky_ than Android phones*
>
> That is an assertion unsupported by any fact you've ever presented.

Hi Alan Baker,

Adults can do two things:
a. They can comprehend basic facts, and,
b. Adults can form logical assessments of those basic facts.

Apologists habitually brazenly deny facts and logical assessments
o Sans a single fact to back up their imaginary belief systems.

As an adult, I pointed you to a cite utilizing that logical assessment
o Proving, yet again, apologists, like flat earthers, are immune to facts

Google themselves said, and Apple did NOT dispute:

"The root causes I highlight here are not novel and are often

overlooked: we'll see cases of [Apple] code which seems to have never
worked, [Apple] code that likely skipped QA or likely had little testing
or review before being shipped to [iOS] users.'"
<https://cnnews9.com/2019/09/08/apple-angry-at-google-for-bursting-iphone-security-myth-bubble-mspoweruser/>

Notice Google proved Apple iOS is, essentially, a diarrhea of untested
releases, which is something I've been proving for years on this ng with
well-cited facts - and which you apologists have no facts to refute.

In addition, notice I've always logically concluded that iOS is no safer
than Android, and, in many cases, far less safe than Android, which we
proved using well-cited facts long ago on this thread, Alan Baker:
o What is the factual truth about PRIVACY differences or similarities between the Android & iOS mobile phone ecosystems?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/MiZixhidmOs/ATC1S3s4FQAJ>

Notice that other logical adults assess the facts similarly:

"It has been pretty clear, from government-sponsored attacks, that
iPhones are as vulnerable as any other smartphone, and that they may
actually be more risky, due to giving users the impression that the
handsets are safer than they actually are, and by making it more difficult
to detect infections, as malware-scanning software is impossible to
install."

<https://cnnews9.com/2019/09/08/apple-angry-at-google-for-bursting-iphone-security-myth-bubble-mspoweruser/>

The cites clearly indicate the following valid logical assessment of fact
o Google proved Apple iOS code is essentially untested for vulnerabilities
o Apple does not dispute ANY of the salient facts in the Google expose
o Apple iOS is no safer than Android - and - in many cases - far worse.
o Apple advertises trust - but doesn't actually deliver it - it's imaginary

Admittedly, Apple is brilliant at selling purely imaginary functionality.
o What is the most brilliant marketing move Apple ever made?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/wW-fu0jsvAU/s6gu-hj2BwAJ>

Which is why you apologists, who gravitate to Apple's messaging
o Own imaginary belief systems which are instantly destroyed by facts

--
Note that my facts & assessments are supported by cites while the
apologists brazenly deny all facts and assessments, sans a single cite.

[nospam]

In article <ql3hlg$l7u$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen G. Holder

<arlen.g...@arlenholder.net> wrote:

>
> Adults can do two things:
> a. They can comprehend basic facts, and,
> b. Adults can form logical assessments of those basic facts.

proof that you're not an adult.

[Alan Baker]

On 2019-09-08 11:35 a.m., Arlen G. Holder wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Sep 2019 09:46:07 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> e factually logical adult assessment below that:
>>> o *Apple phones are _more risky_ than Android phones*
>>
>> That is an assertion unsupported by any fact you've ever presented.
>
> Hi Alan Baker,
>
> Adults can do two things:
> a. They can comprehend basic facts, and,
> b. Adults can form logical assessments of those basic facts.

Actually, real adults can do quite a lot more than two things.

But before I can comprehend facts on this subject...

...you must present some.