SK546 06 JUN-2017:ID

[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear Members,

Location: Teesta, Kalimpong, India

Date: 24 May  2017

Altitude: 4000 ft.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

Leea? Or Vitaceae? 

[Saroj Kasaju]

Leea rubra Blume ex Spreng.   ???

https://www.google.com.np/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjW-orMy6nUAhXHM48KHVb9DL0QjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.photomazza.com%2F%3FLeea-rubra&psig=AFQjCNFp8YYRePDZuqHMf8vWaOOdCdwijQ&ust=1496851241685124

or

Leea robusta  

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

Leea rubra Blume ex Spreng.   ???  or  Leea robusta   - from Saroj ji

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With regards,
J.M.Garg

'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'

Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia. 

For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group (largest in the world- around 2800 members & 2,65,000 messages on 31.3.17) or Efloraofindia website (with a species database of more than 12,000 species & 2,50,000 images).

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Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'.

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Mahadeswara ji.

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From: M Swamy <swamy...@gmail.com>
Date: 15 June 2017 at 17:22
Subject: Re: SK546 06 JUN-2017:ID
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

It is Leea rubra Blume ex Spreng. for me.  

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you Mr. Swamy !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

A reply:

"This should be Leea alata Edgew.
Kind regards,
Varun"

Thanks, Varun ji.

[Saroj Kasaju]

I could not decide. Waiting for final validation.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

Leea rubra Blume ex Spreng.   ???  or  Leea robusta   - from Saroj ji

It is Leea rubra Blume ex Spreng. for me.- from Mahadeswara ji

This should be Leea alata Edgew. Kind regards, Varun

I could not decide. Waiting for final validation. Thank you. Saroj Kasaju

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: 6 June 2017 at 16:07
Subject: SK546 06 JUN-2017:ID
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

[J.M. Garg]

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From: Jatindra Sarma
Date: 6 July 2017 at 16:33
Subject: Re: SK546 06 JUN-2017:ID
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

Dear all,

I think the image is of Leea rubra.

J SARMA

[Saroj Kasaju]

Again confusion! 

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

You can decide on final I'd. 

[J.M. Garg]

I found the keys between these two species at Forest Plants of Eastern India By Amal Bhusan Chaudhuri (1993).

As petioles are not winged, it can not be Leea alata. I also feel it is close to images at Leea guineense (syn. Leea coccinea Planch.)

[J.M. Garg]

As per 08-05-2021 : S-KOLEY : Leea diversity in India from Surajit ji:
"Saroj ji's upload from Kalimpong - https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/Qu7AqOcoHuk/m/iT4YyczCAQAJ is either L. rubra Bl. Ex Spreng or L. guineensis G. Don.

Unfortunately, the paper I am following doesn't provide description of both species. And I have no clear idea how to differentiate them without 'KEY-III" and stipule picture. Yet, I agree with the established id, as L. guineensis G. Don, because -

1. inside of petal is creamy-yellow
2. long acuminate tips of the leaflets and nerves
3. apparently longer staminodial tube

Thank you."

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 at 15:17
Subject: Fwd: SK546 06 JUN-2017:ID
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>

Cc: M Swamy <swamy...@gmail.com>, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

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With regards,
J.M.Garg

[Saroj Kasaju]

I guess you are right Mr. Garg !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

As per Flora of India this should be Leea setuligera C. B. Clarke

Leea guineensis G. Don: staminodial tube 2-3mm long
L. rubra Spreng. ex Blume and L. setuligera C. B. Clarke: staminodial tube less than 2mm
L. setuligera C. B. Clarke: Flowers turn creamish yellow on maturity, leaf margins closely serrate and stiff bristles on the upper surface of the leaflets between each pair of the nerves (as in leaf photograph while zooming).

Kind regards,
Varun

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With regards,
J.M.Garg

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you Varun Ji !

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear Tabish,

 Forwarding  for inclusion in FoI.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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Subject: SK546 06 JUN-2017:ID

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 4:22 PM
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

Dear Members,

Location: Teesta, Kalimpong, India

Date: 24 May  2017

Altitude: 4000 ft.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 7:10 PM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>

Leea? Or Vitaceae? 

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

Date: Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 9:47 PM
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>

Leea rubra Blume ex Spreng.   ???

https://www.google.com.np/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjW-orMy6nUAhXHM48KHVb9DL0QjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.photomazza.com%2F%3FLeea-rubra&psig=AFQjCNFp8YYRePDZuqHMf8vWaOOdCdwijQ&ust=1496851241685124

or

Leea robusta  

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:35 PM
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

Leea rubra Blume ex Spreng.   ???  or  Leea robusta   - from Saroj ji

--

With regards,
J.M.Garg

'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'

Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia. 

For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group (largest in the world- around 2800 members & 2,65,000 messages on 31.3.17) or Efloraofindia website (with a species database of more than 12,000 species & 2,50,000 images).

The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image.

Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'.

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 5:40 PM
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>, M Swamy <swamy...@gmail.com>

Thanks, Mahadeswara ji.

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From: M Swamy <swamy...@gmail.com>
Date: 15 June 2017 at 17:22
Subject: Re: SK546 06 JUN-2017:ID
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

It is Leea rubra Blume ex Spreng. for me.  

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

Date: Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 9:09 PM
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, M Swamy <swamy...@gmail.com>

Thank you Mr. Swamy !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 11:47 AM
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>, M Swamy <swamy...@gmail.com>

A reply:

"This should be Leea alata Edgew.
Kind regards,
Varun"

Thanks, Varun ji.

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

Date: Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:28 PM
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, M Swamy <swamy...@gmail.com>

I could not decide. Waiting for final validation.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 3:33 PM

To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Cc: M Swamy <swamy...@gmail.com>, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

Leea rubra Blume ex Spreng.   ???  or  Leea robusta   - from Saroj ji

It is Leea rubra Blume ex Spreng. for me.- from Mahadeswara ji

This should be Leea alata Edgew. Kind regards, Varun

I could not decide. Waiting for final validation. Thank you. Saroj Kasaju

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: 6 June 2017 at 16:07
Subject: SK546 06 JUN-2017:ID
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 4:58 PM
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Cc: <jatind...@gmail.com>, M Swamy <swamy...@gmail.com>, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

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From: Jatindra Sarma
Date: 6 July 2017 at 16:33
Subject: Re: SK546 06 JUN-2017:ID
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

Dear all,

I think the image is of Leea rubra.

J SARMA

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 8:53 PM
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, <jatind...@gmail.com>, M Swamy <swamy...@gmail.com>

Again confusion! 

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 8:51 AM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, M Swamy <swamy...@gmail.com>, <jatind...@gmail.com>

You can decide on final I'd. 

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 5:01 PM

To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

I found the keys between these two species at Forest Plants of Eastern India By Amal Bhusan Chaudhuri (1993).

As petioles are not winged, it can not be Leea alata. I also feel it is close to images at Leea guineense (syn. Leea coccinea Planch.)

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, May 16, 2021 at 1:37 PM
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>, surajitkoley <surajitno...@gmail.com>, M Swamy <swamy...@gmail.com>

As per 08-05-2021 : S-KOLEY : Leea diversity in India from Surajit ji:
"Saroj ji's upload from Kalimpong - https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/Qu7AqOcoHuk/m/iT4YyczCAQAJ is either L. rubra Bl. Ex Spreng or L. guineensis G. Don.

Unfortunately, the paper I am following doesn't provide description of both species. And I have no clear idea how to differentiate them without 'KEY-III" and stipule picture. Yet, I agree with the established id, as L. guineensis G. Don, because -

1. inside of petal is creamy-yellow
2. long acuminate tips of the leaflets and nerves
3. apparently longer staminodial tube

Thank you."

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 at 15:17
Subject: Fwd: SK546 06 JUN-2017:ID
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Cc: M Swamy <swamy...@gmail.com>, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

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With regards,
J.M.Garg

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

Date: Sun, May 16, 2021 at 2:12 PM
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, surajitkoley <surajitno...@gmail.com>, M Swamy <swamy...@gmail.com>

I guess you are right Mr. Garg !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, May 17, 2021 at 4:38 PM
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>, surajitkoley <surajitno...@gmail.com>, M Swamy <swamy...@gmail.com>

As per Flora of India this should be Leea setuligera C. B. Clarke

Leea guineensis G. Don: staminodial tube 2-3mm long
L. rubra Spreng. ex Blume and L. setuligera C. B. Clarke: staminodial tube less than 2mm
L. setuligera C. B. Clarke: Flowers turn creamish yellow on maturity, leaf margins closely serrate and stiff bristles on the upper surface of the leaflets between each pair of the nerves (as in leaf photograph while zooming).

Kind regards,
Varun

--

With regards,
J.M.Garg

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

Date: Mon, May 17, 2021 at 6:37 PM
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>, Varun Sharma <varuns...@rediffmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, surajitkoley <surajitno...@gmail.com>, M Swamy <swamy...@gmail.com>

[J.M. Garg]

Wait, Saroj ji,
Discussions are yet not over. 

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With regards,
J. M. Garg

[surajit koley]

A few words about Leea setuligera Clarke, copied below, from the paper I am following -

" Leaves 2 or 3-pinnate, leaflets numerous ..... (continued)

.... staminodial tube 1.5-1.8 mm. ....."

"Distribution - India (Concan, Asam), Thailand ..."

These days my eyes are getting really tired, maybe due to age, and ofcourse for looking at the screen of the computer and cellulars for hours.

Regards

surajit

life is short

time is running out

don't try to know everything

utilize what you already know

[surajit koley]

I guess you are right Mr. Garg Sir ji.

Do we have more than one Varun ji, in the forum?

Regards,

surajit

life is short

time is running out

don't try to know everything

utilize what you already know

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Surajit ji

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With regards,
J. M. Garg

[J.M. Garg]

Only one Varun, I am think.

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With regards,
J. M. Garg

[surajit koley]

Thank you, Sir, for the information.

Regards,

surajit

life is short

time is running out

don't try to know everything

utilize what you already know

[Saroj Kasaju]

OK Mr. Garg ! By the way POWO showing distribution !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju