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Monique Warren

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No, I have not. He has posted some on the ABC hoof care group every now and then. His posts seem pretty right on. I do use a Makita GV5010 sander converted to a 4” flap wheel. It is a 5”sander and much lighter than the angle grinder.

 

Trimming is just so darn controversial. Wish everyone could openly share ideas w/ no one getting their panties in a wad ! LIM did not work for me. IMO if these horses could fix their feet by just trimming the walls, all the barefoot horses would be rock crunchers in the time it takes to grow a new hoof capsule. I do have his DVD and have not watched it in awhile. And as most trimmers, our opinion changes as we learn.

 

A dry hard environment definitely has it’s challenges. Horses have what you put on them and the ground cannot possibly compensate for any imbalances or delayed break over.

 

I would love to attend if you sponsor one. Maybe, I could get away if finances allowed. In a roundabout way there you have it !

 

Monique

 

 

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Patti Woodbury-Kuvik <desert...@gmail.com> Mar 18 12:58PM -0700 ^

 
Monique ~
 
Have you attended any of Phil Morarre's clinics
http://www.softouchnaturalhorsecare.com/clinics.html?
 
I was thinking about hosting one in the fall but haven't spoken with
anyone who's actually been at a clinic. I have a bunch of people here
would be interested.
 
And Claire, if I host one down here, you might want to consider doing
one in your area at the same time so we could split his travel
expenses.
You really need this with your donkeys : )
 
Patti

 

donna <donnaj...@gmail.com> Mar 18 07:52PM -0700 ^

 
I had his DVD and sent it off to a friend when I was done. While the
concept is good, I just can't manage the size of the angle grinders
and don't like the electric cords. And IMO, I think he takes too much
off the sole.
 
I mix my trimming with a rasp and a cordless dremel tool. It is much
easier and safer for me to handle.
 
Donna
 
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Patti Woodbury-Kuvik

 

Patti Woodbury-Kuvik <desert...@gmail.com> Mar 18 01:07PM -0700 ^

 
California Trace (Sally Huggs, http://www.californiatrace.com/ingredients.html)
is a rice hull based supplement with 175 mg copper, 500 mg zinc, and
Se, Iodine, Biotin, vit A, lysine and methionine. The vit E is low
(750 IU), and would require adding salt, magnesium, vitamin E and flax
or flax oil. Works out to about 56¢ to 65¢ a day, depending on size. I
believe (but am not certain) that she has it made up by Uckele.
 
Using this supplement with flax oil could be a good substitute for a
horse with suspected flax allergy (the oil does not contain the
substance which can cause allergy).
 
Patti

 

Patti Woodbury-Kuvik <desert...@gmail.com> Mar 18 12:50PM -0700 ^

 
I made up a chart comparing the 4 mixes. See
http://groups.google.com/group/desertequinebalance/files, see "Custom
Mixes AZ-CA"
If you know your hay came from Imperial Valley, they are a good
choice.
Most Arizona grown hays tend to have higher manganese; the Imperial
Valley would be OK to use with these but not ideal. I still like using
the AZ Regional as a "base" for these (AZ hays), adding poly copper/
poly zinc to boost levels. You can also request HorseTech to increase
the copper/zinc and add iodine to AZ Regional (there will be increased
cost and likely fewer servings per 25#).
 
Check the AZ-CA additions file to see what you need to add for
magnesium, vit E, flax, etc with these mixes - they all have different
"add in" requirements.
We "could" do a really complete supplement with all the "add ins"
included but its going to take you up in to the $1.50/day or possibly
higher range. I think these choices give you a lot of flexibility
while keeping the cost reasonable.
 
I haven't ordered AZ First Balance for a while, so I'm not sure of the
current price.
 
Monique - the files URL should be viewable by your clients without
them needing to join this group; of course, any are welcome to join. I
planned on keeping this group nutrition based but, with both you and
Courtney here, we've got two hoof gurus to answer hoof questions for
us.
 
Patti

 

Monique Warren <mwa...@tmwireless.com> Mar 18 01:04PM -0700 ^

 
OMG you are toooooooooooooooooooo awesome !
 
MOnique
 
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Subject: [DesertEquineBalance] Regional Mixes - AZ and Imperial Valley
 
I made up a chart comparing the 4 mixes. See
http://groups.google.com/group/desertequinebalance/files, see "Custom
Mixes AZ-CA"
If you know your hay came from Imperial Valley, they are a good
choice.
Most Arizona grown hays tend to have higher manganese; the Imperial
Valley would be OK to use with these but not ideal. I still like using
the AZ Regional as a "base" for these (AZ hays), adding poly copper/
poly zinc to boost levels. You can also request HorseTech to increase
the copper/zinc and add iodine to AZ Regional (there will be increased
cost and likely fewer servings per 25#).
 
Check the AZ-CA additions file to see what you need to add for
magnesium, vit E, flax, etc with these mixes - they all have different
"add in" requirements.
We "could" do a really complete supplement with all the "add ins"
included but its going to take you up in to the $1.50/day or possibly
higher range. I think these choices give you a lot of flexibility
while keeping the cost reasonable.
 
I haven't ordered AZ First Balance for a while, so I'm not sure of the
current price.
 
Monique - the files URL should be viewable by your clients without
them needing to join this group; of course, any are welcome to join. I
planned on keeping this group nutrition based but, with both you and
Courtney here, we've got two hoof gurus to answer hoof questions for
us.
 
Patti
 
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Monique Warren <mwa...@tmwireless.com> Mar 17 08:57AM -0700 ^

 
Okay, here it goes ! These mixes are formulated to be fed with Imperial
Valley Bermuda hay only ! To be fed w/ approximately 16 lbs. of hay. If you
are feeding more or less please adjust the amount of mix you are feeding.
These are both flax based mixes. Store in a cool, dry place.
 

 
CP120708 :
 
The original mix you had me do will be priced $113.95/25#’s (100
servings) and $176.95/40#’s (160 servings).
 

 
Selenium 2mg
 
Biotin 20mg
 
Chromium 2mg
 
Lysine 5gr
 
Magnesium 5gr
 
Methionine 2.5g
 
Threonine 2gr
 
Copper 225mg
 
Manganese 200mg
 
Zinc 500mg
 
Iodine 4mg
 
B Complex
 
Grape seed ext 1000mg
 
 

 
Could you also give me a price on a stripped down version w/ servings
included, smallest flax base ? The stripped down version will be an 80
gram serving size with approximately 41 grams of flax. Pricing on this
product will be $107.95/25#’s (141 servings) and $168.95/40#’s (227
servings).
 

 
MS-031310
 

 
225 mg copper
 
500 mg zinc
 
4 mg iodine
 
5 grams magnesium
 
200 manganese
 
2 mg selenium
 
20 mg biotin
 

 
Both of these mixes need to be fed w/
 
*½ - 1 cup fresh ground flaxseed 25 cents a day
 
*2500 IU liquid E 20-96 cents a day (see below)
 
*0-4 tablespoons plain salt mixed in supplements SALT REQUIREMENTS CAN
REALLY VARY DEPENDING ON SODIUM AMOUNT IN HAY. Most hays are sodium
deficient.
 
*Forco prebiotic www.forco.com 23 cents a day for one ounce or Ration Plus
prebiotic
<http://www.longacresfarm.com/showproduct.aspx?ProductID=178&SEName=ration-p
lus-for-horses>
http://www.longacresfarm.com/showproduct.aspx?ProductID=178&SEName=ration-pl
us-for-horses
 

 
Choices of liquid E:
 
Liquid E from www.uckele.com about 96 cents a day
 
Now Foods, E-oil double strength from (a liquid E) www.iherb.com about 53
cents a day
 
Natural Vitamin E gel caps (1000 IU each) from www.swansonvitamins.com or
www.puritan.com about 15 cents a day. You would need to cut open 2 gel
caps and squeeze into supplements.
 

 
Plain white salt (NOT IODIZED, IODINE IS INCLUDED IN THE MINERAL MIX) I buy
the loose salt on sale at the grocery store to add in supplements. Purchase
the WHITE salt blocks or put loose salt in a bucket in addition to feeding
salt. The smaller salt blocks work better than the large ones, they can
chomp on them. Horses need to HAVE free choice salt at all times !
 

 
If you are referring this mix to someone please include instructions above.
 

 
It can be ordered from Horse Tech 1-800-831-3309
 

 
Monique
 

 

 

 

 
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Topic: Imperial Valley Hay
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Monique Warren <mwa...@tmwireless.com> Mar 16 06:09PM -0700 ^ <>
 

I am soooooooooooooooo frustrated. I just need to call him tomorrow. He is
not answering my e-mails and still hasn't got it right. Last one he e-mailed
me he left out the selenium. Argggggggggggggggggggg.
Mo

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Subject: [DesertEquineBalance] Re: Imperial Valley Hay

Monique ~

Do you have the "final" complete recipe, cost and CP number for your
mix so we can make a page for it?
Did you give it a name?
This will give folks another option for a basic mix.

Patti

> I just e-mailed Rod to update CP120708 today and asked him for the cost .
> Will let you know when I find out. I don't use this mix so don't know what
> the current cost is ! I took out the P, upped the copper to 225mg and
upped
> the magnesium to 5 grams. I have it put in distillers grain base as my
> clients have had the flax base stuff go rancid in their tack sheds that
get

> You are awesome !!!! The Google format seems so odd to me. Any chance of
> getting the new group on Yahoo ?

> I am currently supplementing my horses w/ 4 mg. selenium as current hay
only
> provides less than 1. After researching importance of thyroid function and
> supplementing w/ so much copper and zinc I got Dr. Kellons okay to do so !


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Patti Woodbury-Kuvik <desert...@gmail.com> Mar 18 08:33AM -0700 ^

 
Hi Monique ~
 
Sorry, it didn't post right away because I had to fix a group setting.
I'll put these mixes into a chart (along w/AZ Regional). One of these
will be a good mix for Letha to use with the new hay she's getting.
 
Patti
 

 

Monique Warren <mwa...@tmwireless.com> Mar 18 08:43AM -0700 ^

 
No problem.I decided to do a stripped down version like yours so it could be
more affordable for those that can't do the hyped up verion ! Great idea
Patti.
 
Mo
 
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Subject: [DesertEquineBalance] HorseTech Mixes for Imperial Valley Hay
 
Hi Monique ~
 
Sorry, it didn't post right away because I had to fix a group setting.
I'll put these mixes into a chart (along w/AZ Regional). One of these
will be a good mix for Letha to use with the new hay she's getting.
 
Patti
 
> Okay, here it goes ! These mixes are formulated to be fed with Imperial
> Valley Bermuda hay only ! To be fed w/ approximately 16 lbs. of hay. If
you
 
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>Trimming is just so darn controversial. Wish everyone could openly share ideas w/ no one getting their panties in a wad !

If this was directed to my reply, fwiw, my panties are not in a wad.
I was just stating my opinon and what works/doesn't work for me.

Donna

Monique Warren

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It wasn't at all ! I was just saying in general. Everyone is certainly
entitled to their opinion and I have learned allot from people's opinions !

What does fwiw stand for ?

Monique

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My guess is "for what it's worth" but that's a guess.

"I've been to Pete Ramey clinic and learned a lot. "I've been trimming
my horses for several years but still have Courtney come by and check my
work. Now I'm teaching my husband how to trim as I can't keep up with
all the horses we have. Plus right now I have a broken arm (ice fall).
I think you learn from them all. I also think that what works in one
part of the country has to be tweaked to work in another part.

Letha
LeDan Morgans

Patti

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I didn't think Phil was into any particular "style" of trimming vs emphasis on working with people to correctly and safely use a rotary trimmer.
I don't have electricity at my barn, so I've been using a Makita battery powered grinder. Pricey but easy to handle and gets the job done. My horses love the grinder - both my small Makita and Courtneys larger 19v battery grinder. I think the vibration helps them relax. My twitchy gelding gets all dreamy eyed while he's being trimmed.

Patti

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i do a lot of lim but i am not only into 1 trim etc, but imo horses are rock crushers from the inside out, diet, diet, diet
 
that is what i have found to make the most difference , not the trim
 
and very few horses are going to be rock crushers standing around in smaller pens, on softer ground than you are going to ask them to work on the 1-2 days a week the person decides to take them out
 
also the whole ball game changes when a horse has been raised shod vs bare as to how far the soft tissue development is going to come along, etc
 
diet and soft tissue development are the keys to rock crushers
 
and yes it is way harder on a very concussive terrain like we have, or like i have here, i have plenty of horses that go north in the summer to a more soil type environement that do well with no boots up there the whole time
then down here they need boots, the ground is more concussive and they do not have the soft tissue development to handle it

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