On Sun, 3 Jan 2021 10:29:05 +0100 (GMT+01:00), Libor Striz wrote:
> :-) And I suppose I will always do, unless somebody makes me to
> change the opinion.
Hi Poutnik,
We agree that there is no such thing as "the best" app, just as there's no
such thing as the "best country" or the "best car" or the "best OS", etc.
I only disagree with you on the _finality_ of your assessment, which is
that you seem to consider the answer to the question to be futile, whereas
I think there are generally accepted answers which will suffice.
One claim of mine, suggesting a few simple apps, overwhelms in value ten
thousand of your posts claiming there is no such thing as a best app.
o Even as you're technically correct.
For example, there's no such thing as "the best government", but I would
claim that a "democracy" is usually better than a "dictatorship", given the
basic needs of the people in each (but where some dictatorships, e.g., the
aforementioned Franco and Tito as per my discussion with Carlos, seem to
have benefited the people at the time they needed it).
In summary, I think a "recommended app" for a given purpose is not futile.
o Your response seems to me to always be one of utter despair.
I don't share your negative view of "the best app" for a given task.
o That's our main difference, which is in the utility of the suggestions
> Any debate over it implies we share the general definition of
> "the best", not limited to software,
> otherwise we would talk about different things, talking about the best.
While I agree, there are _clearly_ best in class apps "most" would agree
1. Google Maps
2. NewPipe
3. DiskUsage
4. TrailSense
5. Google Recorder APK port
6. Google Gcam APK port
7. VLC
8. Let's Print Droid
9. Cellular-Z
10. App Manager
11. Termux
12. Nova launcher
etc.
Even if folks do not agree on those "best in class" apps, absolutely none
of them are bad apps so they're all worth downloading for someone who is
testing out apps to find the one they like the best.
That's how we differ.
o I think your responses, while well meant, are utterly useless
Worse than your responses being utterly useless, they're actually
detrimental to the cause of finding a good app.
I'd rather see you ask for what the requirements are, before you say there
are no best in class apps; and I'd rather you suggest a few apps which are
best in class, than you claiming that there is no such thing.
Sure, the other person may not agree with you, as, for example, I don't
particularly like the privacy implications of "Here Maps" as you seem to
think it's a great app (and yes, I know, you have a friend there somehow).
But Here Maps is not a bad map app, so it's fine that you recommend it.
o Which is my point.
My point is simple:
a. It's better to recommend an app that fits the OP's request
b. Than to tell the OP to go fuck himself and look it up all by himself
For example, I suggested the OP use "Simple Mobile Tools'" note app.
o Given the OP's only requirement be that the app is simple.
In my humble opinion, while you're completely correct there is no best app,
my advice to the OP was worth ten thousand of your repeated posts claiming
there is no such thing.
It just is.
o Ten thousand of your repeated claims are ten thousand worthless posts
One claim of mine, suggesting a few simple apps, overwhelms in value ten
thousand of your posts claiming there is no such thing as a best app.
o Even as you're technically correct.
> The scope of being the best is as wide as the scope of the shared
> equivalent criteria for it and their evaluation too, leading to
> the same result.
While you're technically correct, to claim there is no answer to the OP's
question is worthless, even if you claim it ten thousand times or more.
One single post pointing the OP to a note taking app that is "simple"
(which was the OP's only stated requirement, as I recall) is worth more
than ten thousand of your repeated posts claiming there is no answer to the
question.
Even as you are technically correct.
> If best applications for given purpose had existed, it would have
> been easily determined which ones, *independently* on opinions
> AND there would have been no hot debates why those. Like there
> are no hot debates which of 10 m, 20 m, 30 m tall trees is the
> tallest one.
Well, I listed a dozen apps offhand, and I can likely list a score more
that would be pretty close to "best in class" where there wouldn't be much
of a debate, don't you agree?
I have apps like "Create Shortcut" and "Pulse SMS" and "App Drawer" and
"EDS lite" and "Keepass2Android" and "Button Mapper" and "NitroShare" and
"KDE Connect" and "Wigle WiFI" and "OSMAnd~" and "Stellarium", etc. on my
system (I just took a quick look and all of those are damn good apps).
Sure, for any one app category I might have a few of the "best in class"
apps, e.g., in my StarMaps section of my MAP folder, I have:
o Stellarium
o Star Chart
o Sky Map
o Constellations
o Planisphere
Where almost any of them could qualify as a recommended app, depending on
any particulars the OP might want to add to hone down the list.
If you asked me what's the best, I'd say "Stellarium"; but if you then said
you wanted to see just the constellations individually, I'd say
"Constellations"; but if you had asked to see the entire sky in one view,
I'd suggest "Planisphere"; but if you asked for a simplified view of the
sky with constellations more obvious than stars I'd suggest "Sky Map"; and
if you had asked for distances to the stars I'd suggest "Star Chart", etc.
Here's how a conversation with an OP would go with your attitude:
Q: Which is the best star chart for looking at the sky?
A: There isn't any.
Here's how a conversation with an OP would go with my attitude:
Q: Which is the best star chart for looking at the sky?
A: I'd suggest either "Stellarium" or "Star Chart" for starters.
While your answer is technically correct, it's utterly useless to the OP.
o While mine is technically incorrect, it at least provides utility.
Which is my point.
> Being best is not an attribute of an object itself, but it is an
> attribute of the subject-object relation. Existence of different
> subjects means different relations to the object, some of them
> having the attribute "being the best for purpose
> X".
See above.
a. Your answer is worthless; yet I agree it's technically correct.
b. My answer is useful; even as I agree it's technically incorrect.
>
>> If you ask _me_ what's the "best" app for, oh, say YouTube watching...
>> o I'd have absolutely no problem telling you firmly that it's NewPipe.
>
> Yes, but it is your criteria, your evaluation, your best. And of
> those who share it. ( I do for now, but that is coincidence
> )
> The same applies to other examples, not being limited to software.
I disagree with you completely and fully in that you likely can't name a
single feature of the YouTube app which is better than that of NewPipe.
And even so, NewPipe is damn good by all accounts I've ever seen.
o Have you _ever_ seen a bad review of NewPipe?
I haven't.
The point is that this is a conversation with an OP from you:
Q: What's the best youtube app replacement?
A: There isn't any.
The point is that this is a conversation with an OP from me:
Q: What's the best youtube app replacement?
A: Try NewPipe.
>> BTW, saying "QuickEdit" only works if that's the only one on Google Play
>
> Thanks for the correction,I have meant by Rhythm, not being aware
> there are more.
On Android, there are _always_ more. :)
> Note that I have written I use it, not that it is best application.
To the point of the best note taking app, you'll note I have something like
fifty of them installed myself, and I still don't know which is the best.
In a way, they all suck.
o <
https://i.postimg.cc/htxGtgZp/notepad01.jpg>
> I could write it is best by my opinion and for me for now, because
> I have evaluated so.
> But the scope of this best is limited,
> as the criteria and evaluation, including subconscious ones, is
> limited to me and those who share it.
Again, I repeat you are technically correct.
o But being technically correct is worthless to any given OP.
Here's what you said, essentially, to the OP's question:
Q: What's the best _simple_ note-taking app?
A: There aren't any; look it up.
Here's what I said, essentially, to the OP's question:
Q: What's the best _simple_ note-taking app?
A: Try SimpleMobileTools' note taking app (which is designed to be simple).
My point of view is that you telling a thousand OP's that there is no such
thing as a "best app" is technically correct a thousand times, but it's
also worthless a thousand times.
Me or Carlos or Vanguard, et al., suggesting just _one_ simple note taking
app is worth a thousand of your (technically correct) claims that none
exist.
And that's my point.
o It's not whether you're correct or not - it's whether you're useful.
I try to be useful to most OP's
o (except to trolls - whom I try to get them to go away).
>> what's"best" for them; but some things are best for everyone
>> (see my examples above) or at least are best for "most people"
>> or for the "typical user".
>
> This is again your criteria and evaluation, that is valid only in
> their shared scope.
> You can more or less successfully predict evaluation of others,
> but you cannot decide it for them. They may or may not share your
> opinion.
To my main point, I'm trying to be useful more so than technically correct.
You're technically correct in this dialog which you always do:
Q: What's the best _simple_ note taking app?
A: They don't exist.
I'm technically incorrect, but useful, when the dialog goes this way:
Q: What's the best _simple_ note taking app?
A: Try SimpleMobileTools' note taking app <
http://simplemobiletools.com>
> "Being best for person Y for purpose X" is an attribute of a
> ternary relation of 2 subjects and 1 object.
> Again many possibilities. 5 people can have up to 5 different
> opinions what backpack I should buy for particular purpose. And
> up to 5 other different opinions for other purpose and/or for
> other person.
See above.
a. You're technically correct; but that is useless to the OP.
b. I'm technically incorrect; but I'm trying to be useful to the OP.
Is it better to be technically correct or useful to the OP?
o Your choice.
>> Perhaps we should ask for "recommended" apps, instead of best apps?
>
> Exactly.
> In fact, I suppose the majority want to ask for this, if asking
> for the best.
Here we fully agree, but most OP's don't put much effort into a post.
o We're kind'a stuck with lazy OP's, whether we like it or not.
We can try to wheedle out of the OP's (like I did with philo today) one by
one to get them to lift a finger to _try_ what we suggest (philo still
hasnt' been able to tell us the unique name of QuickMemo+ but he finally
did extract it - but it took a _Lot_ of prodding on my part to get him to
do so).
You and I are extremely well educated and extremely technically competent,
even as we aren't formally educated in Android (at least I'm not).
But we're intelligent people, capable of handing things like, oh, say,
Biochemistry and Organic Chemistry, where testing note taking apps pales in
comparison in terms of comprehensive skills to a single summary page at the
end of each chapter of Morrison and Boyd, for example.
Between you and me, almost everyone save for a handful on Usenet seem to be
dumber than a rock, if you ask me, in terms of their ability to comprehend
even the simplest of the most basic of technical things.
And yet, some of them, like you, are far better at it than I am, where I
assess my intelligence at about at least normal ranges (having studied and
worked aside truly intelligent people in Ivy League schools and in Silicon
Valley startups).
But most people on this newsgroup, and certainly on the child-like Apple
newsgroups, appear to be as dumb as stones in a stream, if you ask me.
Such is life on Usenet.
> If you asked in video processing forum
forum.doom9.org, what is
> the best application for H264 encoding, DVD authoring or video
> processing, you would get at first warning by moderators,
> and later at repeated occurrences eventually temporary or
> permanent ban.
> As not asking for best ones is prevention of flame wars.
Again, you're 100% technically correct, as I've been to videohelp many
times seeking a good audio editor (audacity) or a good video editor
(shotcut), or a good feature-rich video player (vlc) or a good fast video
player (MPC-BE) or a good reliable dvd burner (imgburn), or a good set of
codecs (Klite codec packs) or a good video converter (handbrake) or a good
video downloader (youtube-dl.exe), or a good codec identifier (g-spot),
etc.
Note the difference between your likely answer and my likely answer:
Q: What's a good audio editor (audacity)
Q: What's a good video editor (shotcut)
Q: What's a good feature-rich video player (vlc)
Q: What's a good fast video player (MPC-BE)
Q: What's a good reliable dvd burner (imgburn)
Q: What's a good set of codecs (Klite codec packs)
Q: What's a good video converter (handbrake)
Q: What's a good video downloader (youtube-dl.exe)
Q: What's a good codec identifier (g-spot)
etc.
Sure, you're technically correct answering all with your answer:
A: There isn't any.
But my answer at least provides "some" utility to the person asking
o And, better yet, none of my answers above would be bad answers.
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