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Rick C. Hodgin

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Mar 7, 2018, 10:05:03 AM3/7/18
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A warning to all Christians:

To stand up for Christ in this world means you will be hated by
everyone who is not being saved. They will literally hate you.
They will want you harmed. They will want you killed, because
the things of Christ you hold to and testify about, they testify
against them.

As you shine the light of truth into the darkness, those walking
in darkness will seek to destroy that light in any way necessary.
They will attempt to make it go away, and when that doesn't work,
they'll run off to another dark place so they can continue on in
their sinful deeds without the constant reminder that there is a
Holy God who will judge all sin, including the sin in their life.

When you stand up for God in this world, when you profess the name of
Jesus Christ as the only way to have one's sins be forgiven ... prepare
to be attacked from every side.

It is the natural way of things because those who are perishing know
the truth, and they do not want the truth, but rather they want to walk
in falseness. They try to suppress the truth any way they can.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

PS -- To all walking in darkness today: There is no shame. Jesus
knows who you are, what you've done, why you did it, and He
loves you anyway. He will forgive you for your sin today,
right now. Just ask Him: "Jesus, I am a sinner. I have
sinned. Please forgive my sin and give me eternal life." If
you do that with sincerity, your entire life will change,
beginning even today.

leigh.v....@googlemail.com

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Mar 7, 2018, 12:50:45 PM3/7/18
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What utter nonsense. Most atheists (myself included) would love for there to be an afterlife but they choose to accept reality. It is you who refuses to accept reality pretending instead that there is a happy ending rather than the inevitable nothingness.

Rick C. Hodgin

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On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 12:50:45 PM UTC-5, leigh.v....@googlemail.com wrote:
> What utter nonsense. Most atheists (myself included) would love for there to be an afterlife but they choose to accept reality. It is you who refuses to accept reality pretending instead that there is a happy ending rather than the inevitable nothingness.

I used to think as you do. It changed when I set aside my assumptions
about what exists and what doesn't exist, and began studying the Bible
asking myself on the inside of my own mind, "Is this real? What does
it teach? How do I know that it is NOT real?"

When I sought the truth, God changed me, opened up my understanding, and
took me completely by surprise. I did not think such a change was even
possible, just as you don't think so today.

It's there before you, Leigh.

BTW, my atheism is on record. In 2004 I ran for U.S. House of Representatives
in my home district in Indiana. I was interviewed by many people and they
asked me my religious affiliation, and I reported "atheist" at that time, as
most of the interviews took place when my candidacy was announced, and I did
not come to Christ until almost August, 2004, and most interviews were in
April-June.

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It's new life, Leigh. It's spirit. It is not flesh. It is something that
people are unable to know or understand without God giving them the augment.
It's like trying to see when you only know your other senses, but do not
have functioning eyes. Until you have eyes, you'll never know what those
around you have known all along. But when you have eyes, it's second nature.

The same is true with the spirit.

I teach you all of this because I want you to be saved. Jesus came to save
the lost. It's what He wants. He came to save the lost because He loves
them and doesn't want them to be judged. But all who reject His free offer
of salvation, of truth, of love, of compassion, or gifting ... they will,
by their own choices, send their own souls to Hell through their rebellion.

Think on these things, Leigh. If the rapture happens and you are not yet
a believer, there is still hope for you. Do not listen to any lies about
why the Christians are suddenly gone from this world. The rapture is fore-
told in the Bible, and when we leave the endmost times will begin, and they
are awful. But, people can still be saved during this time.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+15%3A51-58&version=KJV

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall
all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the
trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and
we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must
put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this
mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass
the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord
Jesus Christ.
58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always
abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your
labour is not in vain in the Lord.

There is truth, wisdom, knowledge in the Bible. It is spirit, and it
requires the spirit nature to receive, but it is complete... everything
we need to be saved and maintain our walk on the narrow path here in
this world. But do not be deceived, the enemy is powerfully deceptive.
Even devout Christians fall because of his traps and snares. But, those
who desire truly from within to be with the Lord ... He Himself comes
and rescues us from our folly, just as a good father would do for his
children.

We are God's children, Leigh. He comes for us. He came to save us by
His own Son. Think on these things and lend them an ear. They are
unto your salvation.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

PS -- I am serious.

Mr Flibble

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Mar 7, 2018, 1:18:30 PM3/7/18
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On 07/03/2018 18:10, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 12:50:45 PM UTC-5, leigh.v....@googlemail.com wrote:
>> What utter nonsense. Most atheists (myself included) would love for there to be an afterlife but they choose to accept reality. It is you who refuses to accept reality pretending instead that there is a happy ending rather than the inevitable nothingness.
>
> I used to think as you do. It changed when I set aside my assumptions
> about what exists and what doesn't exist, and began studying the Bible
> asking myself on the inside of my own mind, "Is this real? What does
> it teach? How do I know that it is NOT real?"
>
> When I sought the truth, God changed me, opened up my understanding, and
> took me completely by surprise. I did not think such a change was even
> possible, just as you don't think so today.
>
> It's there before you, Leigh.
>
> BTW, my atheism is on record. In 2004 I ran for U.S. House of Representatives
> in my home district in Indiana. I was interviewed by many people and they
> asked me my religious affiliation, and I reported "atheist" at that time, as
> most of the interviews took place when my candidacy was announced, and I did
> not come to Christ until almost August, 2004, and most interviews were in
> April-June.

Ah that makes sense and explains everything. You thought you couldn't
get elected as an atheist in God's backyard so you "found" Christ in the
hope of winning an election so you could get on the gravy train. You
are a pathetic lying weasel of a man aren't you? You would have made a
great politician as those are desirable qualities in a politician.
Obviously you have to keep up the pretence of being a believer otherwise
everyone would know your actual motives. You are transparent.

/Flibble

Rick C. Hodgin

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Mar 7, 2018, 1:32:15 PM3/7/18
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On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 1:18:30 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 07/03/2018 18:10, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 12:50:45 PM UTC-5, leigh.v....@googlemail.com wrote:
> >> What utter nonsense. Most atheists (myself included) would love for there to be an afterlife but they choose to accept reality. It is you who refuses to accept reality pretending instead that there is a happy ending rather than the inevitable nothingness.
> >
> > I used to think as you do. It changed when I set aside my assumptions
> > about what exists and what doesn't exist, and began studying the Bible
> > asking myself on the inside of my own mind, "Is this real? What does
> > it teach? How do I know that it is NOT real?"
> >
> > When I sought the truth, God changed me, opened up my understanding, and
> > took me completely by surprise. I did not think such a change was even
> > possible, just as you don't think so today.
> >
> > It's there before you, Leigh.
> >
> > BTW, my atheism is on record. In 2004 I ran for U.S. House of Representatives
> > in my home district in Indiana. I was interviewed by many people and they
> > asked me my religious affiliation, and I reported "atheist" at that time, as
> > most of the interviews took place when my candidacy was announced, and I did
> > not come to Christ until almost August, 2004, and most interviews were in
> > April-June.
>
> Ah that makes sense and explains everything. You thought you couldn't
> get elected as an atheist in God's backyard so you "found" Christ in the
> hope of winning an election so you could get on the gravy train.

I have not run for office since that time. In addition, I was completely
unprepared for the change which took place. When I began reading the Bible
seeking to understand correctly what it taught, it was for the purposes of
dismantling it. I expected to find flaws in logic, inconsistencies, things
that indicated so very clearly that it was a work of fiction, of contrivance,
of man.

But I found it wasn't. I found that God opened up my spiritual understanding
and taught me the truth about who He is, who I am, what sin is, why I need to
be forgiven, and I was saved.

It's the truth.

> You
> are a pathetic lying weasel of a man aren't you? You would have made a
> great politician as those are desirable qualities in a politician.
> Obviously you have to keep up the pretence of being a believer otherwise
> everyone would know your actual motives. You are transparent.

I am not a liar. I teach people the honest truth which align with my
experience, warts and all:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.os.development/fij2_tFEhPQ/y8uGjOqUBgAJ
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.os.development/fj6zHukmW4A/Yn-VM2AGBQAJ

I am not hiding behind God. I am a sinner. I am guilty. I need
forgiveness. Much of my sin is of the kind people wouldn't think
twice about, even in that thread above regarding adultery. But,
for a Christian it's unheard of ... right?

All I can tell you is the new spirit nature is real, but the spirit
attacks of the enemy (Satan) are just as real, and unless you are
truly focused on the Lord and not on your flesh, focused on the word
and not on the world, focused on serving Christ rightly as by His own
prescription, and not in serving Him how you think you might want to
do so... It requires a real focus, a real effort, and God gives us
space and time to work out our salvation. It is much the same way
teenagers often go off half-cocked thinking they know everything, only
to have life smack them to the ground a few times, but eventually they
wise up and begin to stop making the same mistakes they did before.

With Christians they are spiritual mistakes, but they are the same.
We have the pattern of the natural growth cycle to see also how it
works spiritually, though it is different being spiritual and not
natural. The spiritual influences affect our flesh, and our flesh
influences affect our spirit. They are polar opposites, constantly
at war with one another, and we (Christians) have to learn how to
follow the spirit voluntarily, and not our flesh. In so doing, we
often fall down hard, make mistakes, get some scars that last for
life.

It's why we point to Christ, not to us.

You can hear this information from many preachers, Leigh.

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You like to make jokes and summarize what you think is happening,
rather than scrutinizing the details. If you persist in that way,
it will destroy your soul. But if you take the time to examine
the details your error will be replaced with knowledge, and that
knowledge will lead you to wisdom, which leads you to Christ to
ask forgiveness for your sin.

The choice is yours. God will be glorified in either way, Leigh.
Either in your salvation (which I personally hope is the end), or
in your soul's destruction in Hell in your rebellion.

The choice is yours.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

Mr Flibble

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Mar 7, 2018, 1:36:49 PM3/7/18
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On 07/03/2018 18:32, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

[snip;tldr]

> The choice is yours. God will be glorified in either way, Leigh.
> Either in your salvation (which I personally hope is the end), or
> in your soul's destruction in Hell in your rebellion.

There are no such things as souls mate.

>
> The choice is yours.

I choose reality.

/Flibble

Ian Collins

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Mar 7, 2018, 1:43:15 PM3/7/18
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On 03/08/2018 04:04 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

[Nonsense]

So you start yet another thread while ignoring all of the requests to
present evidence on your previous thread. That is so typical of your
kind, you can't sustain a debate, so you spout yet more baseless assertions.

--
Ian

Rick C. Hodgin

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Mar 7, 2018, 1:49:54 PM3/7/18
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I don't debate. I teach. These things I write about you do not know.
I try in a myriad of ways to convey the concepts. If one soul is saved
it's all worth it. And even if none are saved, the devotion to God is
as it should be. Jesus told Peter He would make him a fisher of men.
As with fishing, you cast out and you never know what you'll haul in.
God alone gives the increase.

Ian ... these things I teach you about sin and salvation through Jesus
Christ are true. Consider them.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

Rick C. Hodgin

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Mar 7, 2018, 1:54:56 PM3/7/18
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On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 1:36:49 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 07/03/2018 18:32, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> [snip;tldr]

It's ironic because I wrote this:

You like to make jokes and summarize what you think is happening,
rather than scrutinizing the details. If you persist in that way,
it will destroy your soul. But if you take the time to examine
the details your error will be replaced with knowledge, and that
knowledge will lead you to wisdom, which leads you to Christ to
ask forgiveness for your sin.

> > The choice is yours. God will be glorified in either way, Leigh.
> > Either in your salvation (which I personally hope is the end), or
> > in your soul's destruction in Hell in your rebellion.
>
> There are no such things as souls mate.
>
> >
> > The choice is yours.
>
> I choose reality.

A warning:

Old Testament:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+3%3A7-8&version=KJV
7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord, and depart from evil.
8 It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones.

New Testament:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+1%3A20-22&version=KJV
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are
clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his
eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God,
neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and
===> their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

And more:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+8%3A2-3&version=KJV
2 And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing
yet as he ought to know.
3 But if any man love God, the same is known of him.

Take time to read these things, Leigh. The devil is not in the details.
The truth is in the details. The devil is in glossing over the details
with a rebellious "tl;dr" attitude.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

Ian Collins

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Mar 7, 2018, 1:57:41 PM3/7/18
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On 03/08/2018 07:49 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 1:43:15 PM UTC-5, Ian Collins wrote:
>> On 03/08/2018 04:04 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>
>> [Nonsense]
>>
>> So you start yet another thread while ignoring all of the requests to
>> present evidence on your previous thread. That is so typical of your
>> kind, you can't sustain a debate, so you spout yet more baseless assertions.
>
> I don't debate. I teach.

You Don't listen to reason. if your position was strong, you would be
able to debate. You will never convince a rational mind with baseless
assertions.

You prattle on about ages of man while ignoring the most important: the
age of enlightenment where (western) science grew the balls to defy the
religious dogma that had enslaved man for a millennium.

--
Ian.

Mr Flibble

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Mar 7, 2018, 2:09:33 PM3/7/18
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Why would I want to read the Bible? As I am a settled atheist the only
reason I would have to read the Bible would be to enjoy the prose
however the Bible is not a very good read as far as books of fiction go
which is probably a result of the fact that it had lots of different
mostly bad authors.

And just because I don't want to read the Bible now does not mean that I
haven't read enough parts of it in the past to get the gist.

And no reading the Bible would have no effect whatsoever on what I
believe nor would it change me from being an atheist. And no I don't
want to hear for the 50th fucking time that you used to be a atheist but
found Christ. You made a mistake; I have not.

/Flibble

Rick C. Hodgin

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Mar 7, 2018, 2:12:09 PM3/7/18
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On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 1:57:41 PM UTC-5, Ian Collins wrote:
> On 03/08/2018 07:49 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 1:43:15 PM UTC-5, Ian Collins wrote:
> >> On 03/08/2018 04:04 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> >>
> >> [Nonsense]
> >>
> >> So you start yet another thread while ignoring all of the requests to
> >> present evidence on your previous thread. That is so typical of your
> >> kind, you can't sustain a debate, so you spout yet more baseless assertions.
> >
> > I don't debate. I teach.
>
> You Don't listen to reason. if your position was strong, you would be
> able to debate. You will never convince a rational mind with baseless
> assertions.

My position is founded in something new, Ian. It's in spirit, not flesh.

How do you debate color with a blind person? How do you teach them the
differences between red and blue and green? How do you teach them how
this color and that color complement each other?

One would argue you could do it through math and the study of light
equations. It's possible for a blind person to learn those things and
recitate them on demand. But they won't understand sight. They won't
understand what our eyes can show us.

It's the same with things of the Bible versus knowledge of this world.

> You prattle on about ages of man while ignoring the most important: the
> age of enlightenment where (western) science grew the balls to defy the
> religious dogma that had enslaved man for a millennium.

What you speak about "defying religious dogma" was, in some ways very
necessary, because Christianity is not about religion. But the truth
of that uprisal is not in replacing God with something man has come into
as by "new knowledge," but all new knowledge would augment God and His
creation.

What you are talking about is a new form of the same rebellion that has
been at work in man since the beginning, all stemming back to and from
sin.

-----
My base is not only strong, but it's the only immovable base that exists.
It is the true foundation, for it is built upon Christ.

What I try and teach you though is the path to come to that knowledge and
understanding, that you too might be saved. It's a different task than
debating things relating to Christ as I might do with another Christian,
and even then it isn't debating, it's full-on truth-seeking.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

Rick C. Hodgin

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On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 2:09:33 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> Why would I want to read the Bible? As I am a settled atheist

I was too. But, I did not know for sure if I was right. I was assuming
I was right because I believed many (most?) of the things you do with
regards to God not existing, there being no such thing as a soul, no
spirit or spirits (except alcohol spirits), etc.

My testimony is that I was wrong. And I teach you that if you investigate
the Bible seeking the truth then you too will discover the change that I
went through.

It wasn't reason. It wasn't, "Oh yes, I see here in chapter 4 how that
augments what it said in chapter 3. I understand now." It was something
different. It was, "Woah. Wait. What's happening to me. I don't... I
can't... Oh my. No way."

It was utter amazement as I was being born of the spirit, Leigh. It's
probably something very similar that happens to a baby that's been in the
womb its whole life and then ... pow! ... out he/she comes. Something
totally unexpected, unknown previously, a new existence, a new emergence.

With the spirit nature it's a completely new thing that you're just then
aware of and it's phenomenally unbelievable. I literally walked around
in total amazement for weeks. I'm still amazed to this day 13.5+ years
later.

> the only
> reason I would have to read the Bible would be to enjoy the prose
> however the Bible is not a very good read as far as books of fiction go
> which is probably a result of the fact that it had lots of different
> mostly bad authors.

The thing about it is ... it's not fiction. If you seek out the truth,
God Himself will reveal that to you.

> And just because I don't want to read the Bible now does not mean that I
> haven't read enough parts of it in the past to get the gist.

That's where I was. I had actually paid attention in many youth group and
Sunday School classes. I knew a lot about the Bible, but I didn't know
everything. Still don't, and I've studied it extensively for a long time
now. But, back then I wasn't 100% sure that what I thought I knew was what
it really taught, and even if it was what it really taught, I wasn't 100%
sure that my understanding of what it was teaching was what I thought it
was. So, I set my sights on getting a true and proper understanding so I
could totally dismantle its lies and hypocrisy bit by little bit. In fact,
I had resolved within my mind that I wouldn't need to systematically destroy
it, but just find a handful of provable things wrong with it and then I'd
be content to stand in my assertion that the Bible is man made, not of God,
there is no God, Jesus may or may not have lived but regardless, He was no
thing that I needed, etc. Had I found those few flaws I would've gone on
about my life as I was before, but even more resolute.

But in seeking the truth something else happened. I was changed. I was
drawn spiritually to the truth, where I then (days later) asked forgiveness
for my sin and was saved, born again of the spirit.

For weeks there was this thing upon me like a force field, surrounding me
like the environmental suits on Star Trek The Animated Series. It was
thick and I could "feel" it, and it was unreal what was happening to me.
It was not a flesh thing. It was spirit, and I was floored.

> And no reading the Bible would have no effect whatsoever on what I
> believe nor would it change me from being an atheist. And no I don't
> want to hear for the 50th fucking time that you used to be a atheist but
> found Christ. You made a mistake; I have not.

Jesus teaches that His words (the Bible writings) are spirit, and they
are life. They are not like other words written by man. Since they are
His words, they convey more than the knowledge our flesh would receive.
They are tied inexplicably into the spirit nature, and they move a person
in ways other words do not... but only for those who are being saved.

For the person being saved, they will never come to the knowledge of God,
but will persist as you indicate today, in certainty of you being correct.
That certainty will persist until the day of your death where you fall
asleep, only to awaken later being summoned by name to God's court to find
out how wrong you are:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+5%3A26-29&version=KJV

26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son
to have life in himself;
27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is
the Son of man.
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are
in the graves shall hear his voice,
==> 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection
of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

It is appointed unto man once to die, and after this the judgment:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+9%3A27-28&version=KJV
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the
judgment:
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them
that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto
salvation.

I teach you the truth. But I point you to Christ Himself, to the Bible,
to that which I also seek from, for you to examine for yourself if these
things I claim are true. I ask you NOT to look to me or take my word for
it as anything other than a heralder, a pointer to Him, a voice saying,
"go and seek from Jesus Himself." But go directly to the source and see
for yourself; for if I am right, and there is a soul, and there is an
enemy deceiving you into believing otherwise, then it would be to your
best end to examine this information for yourself.

All I ask is for you to seek the truth ... with passion. Do not hide
behind assumptions and previously held beliefs. Try things out. Test
them. Put them under the light of scrutiny and bear them out. If you
do then you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

Mr Flibble

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Mar 7, 2018, 2:36:11 PM3/7/18
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On 07/03/2018 19:29, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
[snip]
>
> All I ask is for you to seek the truth

I don't need to seek the truth as I have already found it: your God
doesn't exist.

All *I* ask is for *you* to seek the truth.

/Flibble

Mr Flibble

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Mar 7, 2018, 2:42:25 PM3/7/18
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BTW you might think I enjoy these little back and forths but you would
be mistaken: they are fucking tedious because you are an obtuse cunt
that vomits out the same garbage repeatedly and ignores what people
actually say in response. I really wish you would just stop.

/Flibble

Rick C. Hodgin

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On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 2:42:25 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> BTW you might think I enjoy these little back and forths but you would
> be mistaken...

The only reason I participate in them is because I hold out hope that
you will be saved one day. Your soul is valuable, Leigh. It's why Jesus
came to the Earth born as one of us, and not merely as glorified God in
all His power and glory, to live as we live, so that He could save us
where we were. It's the greatest love story there is. I want you to be
a part of His sacrifice and redemption, so that you can be saved.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

Gareth Owen

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Mar 7, 2018, 4:27:21 PM3/7/18
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Ian Collins <ian-...@hotmail.com> writes:

> On 03/08/2018 07:49 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 1:43:15 PM UTC-5, Ian Collins wrote:
>>> On 03/08/2018 04:04 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>
>>> [Nonsense]
>>>
>>> So you start yet another thread while ignoring all of the requests to
>>> present evidence on your previous thread. That is so typical of your
>>> kind, you can't sustain a debate, so you spout yet more baseless assertions.
>>
>> I don't debate. I teach.
>
> You don't listen to reason.

You can't reason a man out of a belief that they didn't reason
themselves into.

Mr Flibble

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Why can't you get it into your thick skull that no matter what words you
write; no matter what angle you try and come at; no matter what Bible
verses you cite; no matter how many times you rephrase your message it
will not make one iota of difference? I AM JUST AS SETTLED AND
UNMOVABLE IN MY BELIEFS AS YOU ARE IN YOURS.

/Flibble

--
"Suppose it’s all true, and you walk up to the pearly gates, and are
confronted by God," Bryne asked on his show The Meaning of Life. "What
will Stephen Fry say to him, her, or it?"
"I’d say, bone cancer in children? What’s that about?" Fry replied.
"How dare you? How dare you create a world to which there is such misery
that is not our fault. It’s not right, it’s utterly, utterly evil."
"Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates
a world that is so full of injustice and pain. That’s what I would say."

Chris M. Thomasson

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Mar 7, 2018, 7:41:50 PM3/7/18
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On 3/7/2018 9:50 AM, leigh.v....@googlemail.com wrote:
> What utter nonsense. Most atheists (myself included) would love for there to be an afterlife but they choose to accept reality. It is you who refuses to accept reality pretending instead that there is a happy ending rather than the inevitable nothingness.
>

Well, if an atheist lives a good life, then they might get into some
sort of win-win scenario. If there is life after death, and you lived a
good life, then welcome! If there is no life after death, then you will
never be there to know anything at all: The absolute void.

Fair enough? ;^)

Chris M. Thomasson

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Mar 7, 2018, 7:53:25 PM3/7/18
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On 3/7/2018 10:49 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 1:43:15 PM UTC-5, Ian Collins wrote:
>> On 03/08/2018 04:04 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>
>> [Nonsense]
>>
>> So you start yet another thread while ignoring all of the requests to
>> present evidence on your previous thread. That is so typical of your
>> kind, you can't sustain a debate, so you spout yet more baseless assertions.
>
> I don't debate. I teach.

Really? Remember the answer you gave me wrt my question about how many
chances does one get to be forgiven. First you told me to go bother
people at my local church. Then you gave this gem:
_____________________
The answer Chris seeks is not an answer that can be given without
first correcting the underlying error in understanding which led to
the question being asked in the first place. We're back to:

"When you spread peanut butter on bread, Rick, what do
you do with the shells? Do you recycle them?"

In order to seek the truth, the baseline understanding must be corrected
so the questioner himself/herself will see the error of the question
and withdraw it, as the understanding lends the true question, and
the true answer, without the need to even ask.
_____________________

Just wow.

You answer my question my suggesting that my question is erroneous.

LOL! What a pile of garbage. Wow!

Chris M. Thomasson

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Mar 7, 2018, 7:57:59 PM3/7/18
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Question to Rick: (simple question about the Bible)

Answer from Rick: (the question is erroneous because satan told you to
ask it in the first place)

;^o

He should write a program that does this for him. Heck, it would
actually be on topic.

Chris M. Thomasson

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Mar 7, 2018, 7:59:53 PM3/7/18
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Yes. This makes things a heck of a lot clearer now. Wow.

Chris M. Thomasson

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On 3/7/2018 10:54 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 1:36:49 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> On 07/03/2018 18:32, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> [snip;tldr]
>
> It's ironic because I wrote this:
>
> You like to make jokes and summarize what you think is happening,
> rather than scrutinizing the details.

I asked you about some of the "details". The first answer I got was
comprised of you suggesting that I go bother my local church. Then you
suggested that the question itself is somehow wrong. Wtf?

Teacher? LOL!!!!

[...]

Christiano

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Mar 7, 2018, 8:59:11 PM3/7/18
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On 03/07/2018 12:04, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> [...]
>

How to report Rick to Google

To: groups...@google.com
Body:
Rick C. Hodgin is doing religious proselytism in the newsgroup
comp.lang.c++. His e-mail is rick.c...@gmail.com .
He's been bothering insistently for a long time. It is not about one or
two messages, it's a long-term hassle that simply needs a solution.
It is not about being against or favoring a particular religion, it is
simply that this is not a newsgroup about religion at all, so that when
he does so, he is intentionally being a vandal and needs to be punished
as such.

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Christiano

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Mar 7, 2018, 9:03:20 PM3/7/18
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On 03/07/2018 22:58, Christiano wrote:
> On 03/07/2018 12:04, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> [...]

How to report Rick to Eternal September

To: ab...@eternal-september.org
Body:
Rick C. Hodgin is doing religious proselytism in the newsgroup
comp.lang.c++. His e-mail is rick.c...@gmail.com .
He's been bothering insistently for a long time. It is not about one or
two messages, it's a long-term hassle that simply needs a solution.
It is not about being against or favoring a particular religion, it is
simply that this is not a newsgroup about religion at all, so that when
he does so, he is intentionally being a vandal and needs to be punished
as such.

Posting account="U2FsdGVkX1/5SCA5HDW5F23BtfdzZnD+zQ5uiRt6t9I="

Rick C. Hodgin

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Mar 7, 2018, 9:27:12 PM3/7/18
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Christiano, Leigh, others,

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+5%3A11-12&version=KJV

Matthew 5:11 -- Blessed are ye, when men shall
revile you, and persecute you, and shall say
all manner of evil against you falsely, for my
sake.

12 -- Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great
is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted
they the prophets which were before you.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+6%3A22-23&version=KJV

Luke 6:22 -- Blessed are ye, when men shall
hate you, and when they shall separate you
from their company, and shall reproach you,
and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of
man's sake.

23 -- Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for,
behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in
the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.

It means the message is getting through. The warning has
been received.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

Daniel

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Mar 7, 2018, 10:29:13 PM3/7/18
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On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 10:05:03 AM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

> everyone who is not being saved ... will want you killed, because
> the things of Christ

Nah, they just want you to stop spamming usenet, that's all.

Daniel

Daniel

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Mar 7, 2018, 10:46:16 PM3/7/18
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On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 1:32:15 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
> I am a sinner. I am guilty. I need forgiveness.

Okay, you spam usenet, which is a sin, and I understand from your other
posts that you can be a little annoying to your wife and fellowship circle
by overdoing the proselytizing, but in the scheme of things, I imagine your
sins are pretty minor and not all that interesting. I'm sure you don't
murder or cheat anybody. Any I'm sure you can make up for the trifling
sins by helping your elderly neighbors and your gay and lesbian brothers and
sisters when they need help.

Daniel

David Brown

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Mar 8, 2018, 2:43:51 AM3/8/18
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On 07/03/18 19:49, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 1:43:15 PM UTC-5, Ian Collins wrote:
>> On 03/08/2018 04:04 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>
>> [Nonsense]
>>
>> So you start yet another thread while ignoring all of the requests to
>> present evidence on your previous thread. That is so typical of your
>> kind, you can't sustain a debate, so you spout yet more baseless assertions.
>
> I don't debate. I teach.

Nonsense. You don't debate - that much is true. You have no arguments,
no reasons, no justifications, no evidence. All you have is "the Bible
is true because the Bible says it is true". /Nothing/ else. Most
Christians - at least "born again" Christians - have realms of evidence
that they can give (circumstantial evidence, observations interpreted in
a particular way, highly personal things, etc., but more than enough to
make it clear why /they/ believe). You can't give any reasoning beyond
your tiny little pointless circular argument about the Bible.

And you certainly don't /teach/. You pontificate. /Teaching/ involves
give and take, listening to your "students", adapting the material to
suit, presenting it in a way that encourages learning. Regurgitating
quotations from an old book, posting links to madmen on youtube that no
one will ever look at, insulting people, threatening them with
damnation, and dodging questions by claiming they are the "wrong"
questions - that is not teaching.

Your key problem is that you think the most important feature of the
Christian message is that Christians will be hated - "love thy
neighbour" and everything else comes below that in your eyes. You then
make the incorrect extrapolation that the more hated you are, the more
"Christian" you are. Thus you try to do all you can to make people hate
you by trying to spread your cult.

Guess what? You are failing at that too. People in these newsgroups -
most people, at least - /don't/ hate you. A great many hate your
postings and your attitude, but not /you/. It turns out that "hate the
sin, not the sinner" is fundamental to being a good person, as most
people are, and has no connection whatsoever with any religious beliefs.



Rick C. Hodgin

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Mar 9, 2018, 11:58:11 AM3/9/18
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Billy Graham on a 1998 TED Talk:

Technology, faith and human shortcomings:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90mj79GqWhc

A brilliant talk. Published in 2008.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

Rick C. Hodgin

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Mar 9, 2018, 12:24:28 PM3/9/18
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He talks about Blaise Pascal, and how in 1654 he became a Christian through
a revelation written in his journal. A French historian two centuries later
remarked that rarely does such a towering intellect come to devout faith in
Jesus Christ.

"After running from God until he was 31 years old, on November
23, 1654 at 10:30 pm, Pascal met God and was profoundly and
unshakably converted to Jesus Christ."

Blaise Pascal died at age 39. Before Nov.23.1654 he was an atheist, writing
much on the lack of need for God, believing the same fully.

It takes God drawing a person from within. It's a supernatural change leading
to eternal forgiveness for our sin.

Technology, faith and human shortcomings:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90mj79GqWhc

It's more important than C++, or any other things in our life because none of
us know on which day or hour we will die. We must address our salvation
presently, today, even right now.

All who come to Jesus asking forgiveness for their sin are completely forgiven.
They pass from death by judgment for sin to eternal life as Jesus takes our
sin away by His sacrifice on the cross, His love for us pouring out with every
drop of blood.

Love has a name. His name is Jesus Christ.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

Rick C. Hodgin

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Mar 9, 2018, 1:52:03 PM3/9/18
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The devil and demons in our lives is real. Their influence is all around
us. Anything that is contrary to God and His teachings. They are pervasive
in your life, and even in your body. But Christ can set you free.

Billy Graham 1971
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA5KUfzkfYE

Every person outside of Christ is subject to literal demon possession. It's not
like in The Exorcist, but it is an evil spirit at work in your flesh, augmenting
your natural senses, natural thoughts, with their senses, their thoughts.

Famous people often talk about something they feel entering their body when
they go on stage to perform. Famous singers like Beyonce, Bon Scott, Robert
Plant, and performers like Angus Young, Keith Richards.

These are owerful demons who enter those in front of thousands, but many
other lesser demons enter your life and change you from within.

Why can't you kick that destructive habit despite a sincerity in wanting
to stop. Why can't you break that addiction? It's because you're not alone.
It isn't just your will at work in your body. Evil spirits apply their own
existence to your body, giving it input and prompting, sparking thoughts,
feelings, emotions. And they have access to your flesh through sin, and their
various temptations to sin which you voluntarily acquiesce to, resulting in
them having a legal license by your acceptance of their offer to sin, to enter
in and become a part of your life.

The only combatant we have against such attacks is to have our sin taken
away. To come to Christ and be forgiven. He breaks every contract you've
agreed to, setting you free, giving you back your own life, giving you new
spiritual life, giving you the ability and power to say no to sin.

Lives are changed by Christ. But the enemy does not give up the moment you
are saved. He is cast aside that self-same moment, and you can feel it all
coming off you, the judgment, the condemnation, the evil spirit. It's of such
a profound power that it causes people to shake and cry out in greatest joy.

That freedom lasts for a time as you glow in your new life, and some people
hold on to it and never go back to their former ways. But the devil comes
back at you, and God gives him space to try you and tempt you, but He always
protects you and instructs you, and even when you fall down is He there to
pick you up and get you going again.

It is a never-ending relationship between God and us, that He never leaves ud
or forsakes us, but guides us continually from that day forward.

Jesus will set you free from demons, set you free from addictions, break every
chain and tie that bind, and set your feet on the path of life ... if you will
let Him.

He won't force Himself on you, but continually offers to save you, sometimes
through men and women like me who point you to Him.

Spiritual oppression by demons is real. So is sin, judgment, condemnation, and full
forgiveness of all sin past, present, and future, by Jesus Christ. You can
have freedom today, eternal security to no longer fear death, and inner peace
in the storm. It just takes that humbling, "Lord, I am a sinner. Please forgive
my sin and give me eternal life."

He never turns anyone away who comes to Him sincerely.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

PS - Demons in music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7Ut0LyUq6Y&t=2m41s

Daniel

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On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 1:52:03 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

> Famous people often talk about something they feel entering their body
> when they go on stage to perform. Famous singers like Beyonce, Bon
> Scott, Robert Plant, and performers like Angus Young, Keith Richards.
>
> These are owerful demons who enter those in front of thousands
>
> Jesus will set you free from demons ... if you will let Him.
>
> He won't force Himself on you, but continually offers to save you,
> sometimes through men and women like me who point you to Him.
>

Bad Mr Flibble! You really must stop this satirizing of Rick C. Hodgin's
beliefs. He's not _that_ nutty.

Thanks,
Daniel

Mr Flibble

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Mar 9, 2018, 2:34:39 PM3/9/18
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A multi-pronged attack against the tedious spam is indeed what we need. :D

Juha Nieminen

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Mar 12, 2018, 3:04:25 AM3/12/18
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Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> To stand up for Christ in this world means you will be hated by
> everyone who is not being saved.

Especially if you are a fucking hypocrite spammer.

By this point it's quite clear that you *want* people to hate you,
because it gives you a sense of victimhood. You *deliberately* spam
this newsgroup so that people will hate you and insult you. Well,
you get what you want, you retarded asshole.

Rick C. Hodgin

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Mar 13, 2018, 8:34:30 AM3/13/18
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On Monday, March 12, 2018 at 3:04:25 AM UTC-4, Juha Nieminen wrote:
> Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > To stand up for Christ in this world means you will be hated by
> > everyone who is not being saved.
>
> Especially if you are a .. hypocrite spammer.
>
> By this point it's quite clear that you *want* people to hate you,
> because it gives you a sense of victimhood. You *deliberately* spam
> this newsgroup so that people will hate you and insult you. Well,
> you get what you want, you retarded ...

Try to see this: I do not spam, Juha. I am teaching you the things
you won't hear other places. I am doing this, despite the constant
attacks and hatred slung my way, because your eternal soul is more
important than the temporary mud-slinging people will throw at me for
my duration here in this Earth.

Eternity lasts a long time, Juha. All we see today is temporal life.
I try to get you to think about eternity, and to consider God's role
in your life (your eternal life, because everybody will spend eternity
somewhere... but only those who received forgiveness of sin from Jesus
Christ will do so in Heaven, for all who embrace sin are cast down with
sin into the pits of Hellfire, where they will burn in agony and tor-
ment forever ... because sin is that heinous and damaging to God's
creation which is entirely built upon truth, entirely built upon Jesus
Christ).

Think on these things, Juha. An active pursuit of truth and under-
standing will lead you to Christ who will save you.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

Rick C. Hodgin

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Mar 13, 2018, 12:13:19 PM3/13/18
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There is an excellent presentation here by Dr. Georgia Purdom:

Begins around the mid-way point after Ken Ham speaks:
https://www.facebook.com/aigkenham/videos/vb.164175656946132/1831328933564121/?type=2&theater

She's giving an observable explanation of what's happening with
natural selection, and how it demonstrates that evolution there
is not happening.

She mentions Lenski's E. coli and describes how it is not evolution,
but is only adaptation and is actually a loss of traits such that
this in-the-lab E. coli would no longer survive in nature because,
while it has adapted to its environment, it has lost the ability to
cope with other environments because those prior traits have been
suppressed or lost through adaptation over time.

Evolution does not exist. Adaptation does exist, but it is always
a loss of generic information, never a gain of new information, which
is required for evolution to work:

One Race, One Blood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbODW6XO8zY&t=16m4s

--
Rick C. Hodgin
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