If only he had said, "Good day to you, Rick. I bid you happiness
and good health."

> I understand that you have no regard for netiquette, but it's bad form
> to edit another's words beyond snipping material irrelevant to the post.

I regard netiquette, but I regard God more. I try to edit out
obscene things. Sometimes I forget or miss them.

Alex, has anyone ever taught you the truth about who Jesus is
and why we need Him? That teaching is important. Be sure you
spend extra time and attention there getting it right.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

valera

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Rick, you do what you do, for the only one purpose and reason - attention. intentionally or not, doesn't matter. attention is the only reason of your spamming. without it, you'd quickly forget about everyone's salvation.

If everyone here would be tolerant enough and listened to the numerous observations of this fact and stopped even read your spam, we'd see the effect of your healing very soon. maybe you'd even start to post something relevant.

Especially this applies to Peter. xD

Rick C. Hodgin

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On Tuesday, January 23, 2018 at 2:36:14 PM UTC-5, valera wrote:
> Rick, you do what you do, for the only one purpose and reason - attention.

You will learn on the final day of judgment why I do what I do.

It's not for attention. It's because I have been saved, and I now know
what it means to be on that side of salvation, and this side, and I care
about people too much to remain silent and just live my life.

I care about your eternal soul. It's why I point you to Christ, and not
to me, not to the church I belong to, I'm not asking anyone for money,
I'm simply saying:

You have sin.
You will be judged for that sin, found guilty, and cast into Hell.
Jesus came into the world to save us from that end.
Go to Him and ask forgiveness for your sin, and receive salvation
and eternal life.

That is the message, Valera. And as I say, someday you will know the
truth about why I post what I post. It's to get your attention on
Christ, not on me.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

Rod Pemberton

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On Tue, 23 Jan 2018 05:23:15 -0800 (PST)
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Love is greater than Hate

Man has free will, per God. Man creates love or hate, per his free
will, as he chooses, when he chooses. So, how is one greater than the
other if they both emanate from the free will of man? This is purely
illogical, even if keeping to the strict context of a religion such as
Christianity. If anything, the two are equal because their source is
equal: free will. If their source was different, then one could be
greater than the other.

Jesus may love you, but Jesus is not the source of all love. Don't
forget that he was also a man, who had free will. His love comes from
the same source as all of humanity: the free will of man as granted to
him by God. At least, that's according to Christianity. But, you
aren't really teaching or preaching actual Christianity, are you?
There are organizations which help people escape from cults.

Rod Pemberton
--
"White Privilege - The privilege of being called 'racist' by people who
see nothing else about you except your race." - Internet meme

Rick C. Hodgin

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On Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 1:27:21 AM UTC-5, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Jan 2018 05:23:15 -0800 (PST)
> "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Love is greater than Hate
>
> Man has free will, per God. Man creates love or hate, per his free
> will, as he chooses, when he chooses. So, how is one greater than the
> other if they both emanate from the free will of man? This is purely
> illogical, even if keeping to the strict context of a religion such as
> Christianity. If anything, the two are equal because their source is
> equal: free will. If their source was different, then one could be
> greater than the other.

God did give man free will, but He didn't just turn man loose at that
point without any guidance on how to use that free will.

He gave man guidance from the beginning, even before the Law of Moses,
before the first murder was committed by man against another man:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+4%3A7&version=KJV

7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou
doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall
be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

God has told us how He wants us to live, and what He will judge. The
things He has for us are all of love: helping one another, forgiving
one another, loving one another. In fact, the Bible says this:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+13%3A13&version=KJV,NIV

13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity [love], these three;
but the greatest of these is charity [love].

http://av1611.com/kjbp/kjv-dictionary/charity.html

God gave us instruction on how to live given our nature. He told us
in advance what He will judge. This is akin to a parent bringing up
their child rightly, teaching them the rules, and warning them if they
break those rules there will be punishment.

God has revealed to us our eternal nature. He has revealed to us His
eternal punishment if we do not come to terms with sin in our lives.
He created the entire universe and everything in it, and everything
He created is founded upon truth. Sin is anti-truth. It means "to
miss the mark," meaning that God states how things are to be done,
and sin enters in when we choose to do them differently.

> Jesus may love you, but Jesus is not the source of all love. Don't
> forget that he was also a man, who had free will. His love comes from
> the same source as all of humanity: the free will of man as granted to
> him by God. At least, that's according to Christianity. But, you
> aren't really teaching or preaching actual Christianity, are you?
> There are organizations which help people escape from cults.

What you say contradicts the teachings of God through Bible. Jesus was
both man and God simultaneously. He was God in the flesh as a man, the
express image of His person:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+1%3A3&version=KJV

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image
of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power,
when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right
hand of the Majesty on high:

He "purged our sins" by His death on the cross. He supernaturally
reaches out across time to all people, past, present (from His time),
and future, and transfers their sin to Himself at the cross ... by
His choice, by His own free will.

He did this to take our sin away from us, leaving us righteous and
spotless before God.

It makes perfect sense, Rod. You cannot understand it today because
you aren't looking to understand it. You're looking to assert your
own personally held beliefs ahead of it, pointing out where the things
of the Bible appear flawed to your thinking.

The truth exists fundamentally. It doesn't have constituent parts.
No matter what way you examine it, the truth is as the truth is. In
order to find truth, you must move to where it is. Truth will not
come to where you are, save those parts of truth which are used for
outreach to meet you where you are, but even at that point truth is
leading you away from where you are and to where you should be.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+John+4%3A7-8&version=KJV

7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every
one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

There is Earthly wisdom, and there is spiritual wisdom. When all we
have is Earthly wisdom we are only able to be deceived. When we have
spiritual wisdom, we still get to make choices about what we will do,
believe, and follow, and we can by our own love of sin, choose wrong
things, but it's not because God isn't there revealing to us the way,
but rather because we assert our own free will over God's guidance.

But God knows who are truly His and who aren't, and He personally
comes to the man or woman born again who has fallen back into sin to
literally drag them out of sin.

If you'd ever like to hear my testimony about how God got me out of
sin ... you would be amazed.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

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On Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 3:22:55 PM UTC-5, valera wrote:
> середа, 24 січня 2018 р. 21:00:19 UTC+2 користувач Rick C. Hodgin написав:
> > On 1/24/2018 1:47 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > > On 1/24/2018 1:32 PM, David Cooper wrote:
> > >> Hypocrite - you're not going to attempt to save people's souls at
> > >> OSDev because you know you'll be banned if you post any religious
> > >> messages, so you're prepared to let them all die rather than giving it
> > >> a go and maybe saving a few people before your message is deleted?
> > >> What kind of evangelist are you? OSDev is just as public a place as
> > >> this, so your excuse for spamming here and not there doesn't hold.
> > >> Either get yourself banned there of stop spamming here.
> > >>
> > >
> > > It's because it's a private forum.
> >
> > It's the same reason I don't post on comp.lang.asm.x86 any longer.
> > The moderator there, Frank Kotler, asked me not to, and I respect
> > him and agreed.
> >
> > I also sent a message to another private forum holder apologizing
> > for having previously sent "religious" messages to the forum.
> >
> > It takes me a while to realize mistakes I've made, but when I do
> > I own up to them and apologize.
>

> I don't get it, you respect only moderators? appeals of many here to stop writing here about salvation and your religion supremacy, becuase the list is dedicted to the absolutely different thing, you don't respect at all? Does Jesus approve that? it seems more pharisean, doesn't it?

This is a public forum. It's akin to us being on a street corner.
You're free to walk away. I'm free to walk away. You're free to
move on down the street a little bit (ignore my posts), and I'm
free to move on down the street a little bit (ignore your posts).

When you go into a moderated forum, or into a privately held forum,
there are new constraints which aren't there in a public forum.

It's the same as walking onto private property.

I'm sorry you don't like my posts. Please free to ignore them.
I don't intend on flooding the channel, but I do want to teach
people the truth of the Bible because it's not being taught
elsewhere, and there's something there for everybody.

To answer this question:

"Does Jesus approve that? it seems more pharisean, doesn't it?"

Jesus was given all power and authority in Heaven and on the Earth
(Matthew 28:18+). He instructed His followers to go forth and teach.
In public places, it is now our mandate. In private places, the
initial introduction of the message is legal, but when explicitly
told not to continue, then in that privately held property/forum,
it is not correct to continue.

In comp.lang.asm.x86 I will not post anything related to the Bible
or Christ, though I will use the signature below. But, I do that
because the people have come together and agreed on a private forum
for their content, and it is correct to honor that.

In public forums, everybody's view is welcome, even it appears to
contradict the stated purpose for the group. The owners of the tools
which allow us to publish our content are able to close our accounts
and prevent us, but so long as they are okay with it, the message can
and will go forth.

valera

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середа, 24 січня 2018 р. 22:37:51 UTC+2 користувач Rick C. Hodgin написав:

even on a street corner people collect by interests. you ignore this fact. of course your posts could and should be ignored, but you are playing on human's nature knowing, that if you will post this annoying irrelevant stuff, it is inevitably that people would come up and complain, asking you to stop. that is waht you are seeking.

Rick C. Hodgin

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Jan 24, 2018, 4:37:14 PM1/24/18

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On 1/24/2018 4:26 PM, valera wrote:
> even on a street corner people collect by interests. you ignore this fact.

Threads.

> of course your posts could and should be ignored, but you are playing on human's nature knowing, that if you will post this annoying irrelevant stuff, it is inevitably that people would come up and complain, asking you to stop. that is waht you are seeking.

You'll find out one day how relevant it was. And, if you don't come to
faith before that day, and die in your sin, you will spit in my face and
be angry at me for not trying harder to keep you out of Hell.

wolfgang kern

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"valera" said:
...

|even on a street corner people collect by interests. you ignore this fact.
|of course your posts could and should be ignored, but you are playing on
|human's nature knowing, that if you will post this annoying irrelevant
|stuff, it is inevitably that people would come up and complain, asking you
|to stop. that is waht you are seeking.

good commment, but why can't you stop responding to Rick's or Peter's BS ?
__
wolfgang

Rod Pemberton

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On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 01:37:48 -0800 (PST)
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

> God did give man free will, but He didn't just turn man loose at that
> point without any guidance on how to use that free will.
>

Really? You need to read about Adam and Lilith. That's only recorded
in the Hebrew tradition, i.e., Judaism.

> God gave us instruction on how to live given our nature. He told us
> in advance what He will judge.

If he gave man free will and he is omniscient, meaning that he knew
or knows what would happen in advance of it happening, then what right
does he have to judge what he knew would happen? (None.)

> This is akin to a parent bringing up
> their child rightly, teaching them the rules, and warning them if they
> break those rules there will be punishment.

No, it's not the same. God is omniscient and not even human. The
nearest non-religious concept is Santa Claus.

> > Jesus may love you, but Jesus is not the source of all love. Don't
> > forget that he was also a man, who had free will. His love comes
> > from the same source as all of humanity: the free will of man as
> > granted to him by God. At least, that's according to
> > Christianity. But, you aren't really teaching or preaching actual
> > Christianity, are you? There are organizations which help people
> > escape from cults.
>
> What you say contradicts the teachings of God through Bible. Jesus
> was both man and God simultaneously. He was God in the flesh as a
> man, the express image of His person:
>

...

> 3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image
> of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his
> power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right
> hand of the Majesty on high:
>

If Jesus was "both man and God simultaneously," then who is the
"Majesty on high" whose "right hand" it was on which he "sat down"?
I.e., clearly, that's God, not "his Son". If not, then we have a
problem with Jesus worshipping something else of such enormity that
Jesus is so small that he could sit on it's hand ...

> He "purged our sins" by His death on the cross.

Well, you can thank him for me, but I owe him nothing for his
generosity. I have free will, remember? It was his choice to freely
give such a gift to humanity. I'm not - nor is anyone else - indebted
to him for this, as you seem to believe.

> He supernaturally
> reaches out across time to all people, past, present (from His time),
> and future, and transfers their sin to Himself at the cross ... by
> His choice, by His own free will.
>
> He did this to take our sin away from us, leaving us righteous and
> spotless before God.

No, Christ /only/ does that for those who accept him as their savior.
Christ doesn't do that for *ALL* g The fact that Christ is powerful
enough to blind God as to the truth of a man's sin should seriously
concern you.

> The truth exists fundamentally. It doesn't have constituent parts.
> No matter what way you examine it, the truth is as the truth is. In
> order to find truth, you must move to where it is. Truth will not
> come to where you are, save those parts of truth which are used for
> outreach to meet you where you are, but even at that point truth is
> leading you away from where you are and to where you should be.

You misuse the word truth to mean faith.

> 7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every
> one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
> 8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

Clearly, that's false, or you wouldn't be discussing this with me.

> But God knows who are truly His and who aren't, and He personally
> comes to the man or woman born again who has fallen back into sin to
> literally drag them out of sin.

Wrong.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+14%3A6&version=KJV

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life:
no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

In Christianity, the only way any man reaches God, so that God knows
him, is through Christ. God doesn't know who are truly his because,
Christ blocks God from seeing anyone, except those whom he allows.
Christ sends all others to Hell.

Rod Pemberton

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Jan 25, 2018, 4:16:42 AM1/25/18

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On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 12:37:48 -0800 (PST)

"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It's akin to us being on a street corner.

No, it's not. It's not even remotely similar.

In the U.S., the right of free speech only applies to speech when
you're communicating with the U.S. government. The U.S. court system
made this ruling. I.e., you don't have the right to free speech in
public or under any other circumstance.

In the U.S., the right of free speech does not apply while in school or
at your employer. The U.S. court system made these rulings too. I.e.,
you don't have the right to free speech while working, or as a minor
when the school system is acting as your parent ("in loco parentis").

In the U.S., free speech is illegal under many instances, such as
threats, libel, slander, causes physical harm, inspires fear in context
of violence or death, fraud, perjury, false statement, treason,
inciting lawlessness, various forms of lying or deceiving law
enforcement, or one recommend stocks publicly and it affects the stock
market, etc.

On a street corner, you'd need a license from the city or county to
hold a public meeting or give a speech, as they have the legal right to
control who is present since they control or own the public land.

Also, you could be charged with disturbing the peace or breaching the
peace, if you upset too many people with your illegitimate "free
speech."

Rick C. Hodgin

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Rod, there is no Lilith. Satan is a liar and he cannot change what
God has done, so he does only what he can do: 'try and pervert the
meaning of things so as to deceive us away from God.

If you seek the truth, God will open up your ability to receive it
so you can be saved. If not, you will remain where you are, only
being deceived.

-----
Local entities, cities, towns, municipalities, have required people to
obtain licenses or permits to speak in certain cases, but not all.
There are contracts we've unknowingly entered into, by Satan's de-
ceiving perversions, which have removed our rights with look-
alike privileges, but the right to preach on street corners without
obtaining a permit is still legal in many places.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

PS -- You are looking for faults in God, being willing to entertain
contrary notions readily. So long as you are unwilling to ack-
nowledge the possibility that you are wrong, the truth will remain
forever hidden from you.

Rod Pemberton

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On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 04:16:09 -0500
Rod Pemberton <NoE...@trraxvfeq.cpm> wrote:

(editing error)

> No, Christ /only/ does that for those who accept him as their savior.
> Christ doesn't do that for *ALL* g The fact that Christ is powerful

Christ doesn't do that for *ALL* good people. The fact that Christ is

powerful

> enough to blind God as to the truth of a man's sin should seriously
> concern you.
>

Rick C. Hodgin

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On Thursday, January 25, 2018 at 7:16:10 AM UTC-5, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 04:16:09 -0500
> Rod Pemberton <NoE...@trraxvfeq.cpm> wrote:
>
> (editing error)
>
> > No, Christ /only/ does that for those who accept him as their savior.
> > Christ doesn't do that for *ALL* g The fact that Christ is powerful
>
> Christ doesn't do that for *ALL* good people. The fact that Christ is
> powerful
>
> > enough to blind God as to the truth of a man's sin should seriously
> > concern you.

It's spirit, Rod. Because of original sin we are all unable to know
the things of God rightly. It's why Jesus came to the Earth. He came
to take our sin away, to restore our eternal life (spiritual life), to
make us born again, able to discern Him here on this Earth in our lim-
ited ability to do so because of our fallen-in-sin fleshy existence,
but to give us a down payment of the promise in eternity.

Have you ever looked at the lyrics of songs like:

Amazing Grace
Oh Happy Day

? They are not written for no reason. It literally is a blindness
we all possess because of sin, and it literally is a new birth when
we come to ask forgiveness for our sin.

I pray you come to know it. Your mouth will be hanging open on the
floor in disbelief as mine was when it happened to me.

-----
You won't believe me, Rod, so go to a local Bible-believing Christian
church and ask other people. Speak to them face-to-face and ask them
about these "crazy notions" that I espouse. Ask them to explain them
to you face-to-face where you can interact and ask questions and get
input from someone who is not me.

It's not about me. It's about Jesus Christ. It's about your sin.
It's about His free offer of salvation. It's about the new birth.
And it's about eternal life.

It really is a good thing. And it really is real.

valera

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Jan 25, 2018, 10:06:57 AM1/25/18

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середа, 24 січня 2018 р. 23:55:47 UTC+2 користувач wolfgang kern написав:

seriously, the answer is in my "good" comment. and also, did you see how much times I responded? I'd say I did well yet. :D Finally I never resoponded to Peter.

David Cooper

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Jan 25, 2018, 12:36:43 PM1/25/18

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On Wednesday, 24 January 2018 19:00:19 UTC, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On 1/24/2018 1:47 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> It's the same reason I don't post on comp.lang.asm.x86 any longer.
> The moderator there, Frank Kotler, asked me not to, and I respect
> him and agreed.
>
> I also sent a message to another private forum holder apologizing
> for having previously sent "religious" messages to the forum.
>
> It takes me a while to realize mistakes I've made, but when I do
> I own up to them and apologize.

It has nothing to do with you respecting them - you don't respect anyone. You simply don't want to risk trying to save souls if it leads to you being banned because your own OS work is more important to you than God, while everyone else's OS work is less important to you than God, so you apply different standards. You are right up yourself, stuffed full of your own importance as God's right-hand evangelist. It's all about you and your self-promotion as a hero. And your total lack of respect for others reflects extremely badly on your God, which makes you a shockingly bad evangelist whose only effective function is to repel people away from God. If you really care about your God, stop it. Recognise your mistake (no one cares about the owning up and apologising part) and start respecting others. This is not a public place for discussing any old shite that comes into your head - it has a very clear title that spells out a subject which you are supposed to stick to, and your excuses for spamming about your God don't stand up.

Rick C. Hodgin

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Jan 25, 2018, 12:43:06 PM1/25/18

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I know you think that about me, David, but you are wrong.

God wants us doing the things we have interests in. He wants us
doing them in holy ways, for Him, always being a witness, and actively
teaching about salvation to everybody. I do that, will continue to do
that, and teach others to do the same.

How's your AGI coming?

--
Rick C. Hodgin

Rod Pemberton

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Jan 25, 2018, 7:08:50 PM1/25/18

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On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 05:18:57 -0800 (PST)

"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Rod, so go to a local Bible-believing Christian
> church and ask other people.

BTDT. I have a very large family tree, have also had many Christian
friends, and also had a class on religion in college. I'm here to help
you understand the irrational, unjustifiable beliefs you have, as
you're allowing them to take away your sanity.

Rod Pemberton
--
The great flaw of Democratic societies is freedom. They can't oppress
those who foul up their societies.

Rick C. Hodgin

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Jan 25, 2018, 7:19:59 PM1/25/18

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On 01/25/2018 07:10 PM, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 05:18:57 -0800 (PST)
> "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Rod, so go to a local Bible-believing Christian
>> church and ask other people.
>
> BTDT. I have a very large family tree, have also had many Christian
> friends, and also had a class on religion in college. I'm here to help
> you understand the irrational, unjustifiable beliefs you have, as
> you're allowing them to take away your sanity.

I appreciate the consideration, Rod.

--
Thank you, | Indianapolis, Indiana | God is love -- 1 John 4:7-9

Kerr-Mudd,John

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Jan 26, 2018, 6:52:23 AM1/26/18

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On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 21:52:59 GMT, "wolfgang kern" <now...@never.at>
wrote:

Rod's just as bad these days.

--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.

Rod Pemberton

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On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 11:52:21 -0000 (UTC)
"Kerr-Mudd,John" <nots...@invalid.org> wrote:

> Rod's just as bad these days.
>

What that tells me you really haven't been paying much attention to me,
or you haven't been around long enough to know.

Back around 2007 or so, we used to have a problem with Betov (Rosasm)
and Randall Hyde on CLAX and alt.lang.asm when Randall was constantly
promoting HLA. We also issues with Hatch and Skybuck Flying. After
conversing with me for a while, they left. We do occasionally see the
"Flying Bucket" pop up, as wolfgang calls him. In fact, Randall Hyde
and Hatch both completely stopped posting after I responded to posts of
theirs. Ditto for quite a few other people. I recall another guy on
a.o.d., another on CLAX, etc. So, I'd say I have a good track record in
driving away annoyances.

Rick C. Hodgin

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On Friday, January 26, 2018 at 7:42:11 PM UTC-5, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 11:52:21 -0000 (UTC)
> "Kerr-Mudd,John" <nots...@invalid.org> wrote:
>
> > Rod's just as bad these days.
> >
>
> What that tells me you really haven't been paying much attention to me,
> or you haven't been around long enough to know.
>
> Back around 2007 or so, we used to have a problem with Betov (Rosasm)
> and Randall Hyde on CLAX and alt.lang.asm when Randall was constantly
> promoting HLA. We also issues with Hatch and Skybuck Flying. After
> conversing with me for a while, they left. We do occasionally see the
> "Flying Bucket" pop up, as wolfgang calls him. In fact, Randall Hyde
> and Hatch both completely stopped posting after I responded to posts of
> theirs. Ditto for quite a few other people. I recall another guy on
> a.o.d., another on CLAX, etc. So, I'd say I have a good track record in
> driving away annoyances.

Someday you'll realize the truth about your actions, Rod. One way or
another.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

coolzerohundred

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Jan 27, 2018, 12:44:28 AM1/27/18

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philosophy?

religion?

humanity?

denomination?

cult?

we do have our own belief, which other calls it either of the above...

this is un-moderated group, then its up to the member to read the post or not.

it is a readers will to read.

it is also a writers will to write.

we are either a reader or a writer,

Rod Pemberton

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On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 16:48:15 -0800 (PST)

"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

Are you honestly attempting to claim that you haven't been a total
nuisance and didn't deserve your (mis)treatment here? Everyone here has
asked you to stop posting about religion and/or to leave, including
me. Of those here, I did so first, albeit on another NG, in a way
that would've caused Kerr-Mud's mind to be blown apart. You even
incited death threats from Peter who has never before responded
negatively. And, at the same time, you seem to have the audacity to
attempt to blame me for your actions here too? Dude, WTF is wrong with
you? Is it brain damage? autism? drugs? cult? Where is your personal
responsibility for your actions? Where is your compassion for others?

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The Bible teaches that each of us will be judged by what we
know. If we were taught directly that we need Jesus Christ,
as you have been, then you will be judged based on your rejection
or reception of Him. But for the isolated individual, God
examines Him, and introduces Himself to that person in the
ways He does, such that even those not knowing the name "Jesus"
are hearing His call from within, and answering it. They too
will be saved, because it is all the Father gives His Son who
are saved (John 6:44).

Revelation records the depth and breadth of God's salvation:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+5%3A9%2C+&version=KJV

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to
take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou
wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood
out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

God is not unjust or cruel. He simplt does not tolerate sin.

Billy Graham said something about this years ago, and people took
it to mean other religions lead to salvation without Christ. He
was labeled a heretic and false preacher, and lambasted by many.
But I believe what he meant was this very thing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qL0tLzzn7PA

God calls people from within (John 6:44). And there are people
from every nation and tongue in Heaven.

It comes down to whether or not a person will seek the truth or
is content to believe the lie.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

Rod Pemberton

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Jan 27, 2018, 10:22:26 PM1/27/18

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On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 05:20:01 -0800 (PST)

So, you're delusional and see yourself as both victim and savior.
Ironic.

Rick C. Hodgin

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On Saturday, January 27, 2018 at 10:22:26 PM UTC-5, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> > Unless you come to faith before you die, there is coming a day
> > when you would profane my name for not trying harder to keep you
> > out of the flames of Hell. You would spit in my face and beat me
> > unrecognizeable if you could, because you blame me now for being a
> > nuisance, and you would blame me then for being a failure. You
> > would never see it is your love of sin that denied Christ here,
> > and sent you to the flames of Hell there.
>
> So, you're delusional and see yourself as both victim and savior.
> Ironic.

No. I am a witness testifying to you about Christ, hoping and
praying you will seek the truth so you can hear the message.

I hold out hope for you, Peter, and many others, because just
like each of you, there was a time when I also was unsaved, and
mocking Christians for their faith in God. But God reached out
and drew me from within, compelling me to Him. It happened when
I sought the truth. I wasn't knowing what I would find, but I was
seeking honestly ... and the truth found me.

I hold out that hope for each of you.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

Rod Pemberton

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On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 03:40:29 -0800 (PST)

"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

Are you sure you're not just a wee little bit delusional?
I mean, it appears that you've started calling me: Peter. ;-)

> I hold out hope for you, Peter, and many others, because just
> like each of you, there was a time when I also was unsaved, and
> mocking Christians for their faith in God.

Don't forget that you said you abandoned God and Christ and joined a
cult. What's to prevent us from joining a cult if we follow your
path? How do we know you're on the correct path this time around? You
said you left the cult, but honestly, you still haven't convinced me
that you're not a member anymore. I still believe that your in the
cult, even though you're claiming otherwise. The incessant
proselytizing doesn't help your case in this regard.

> But God reached out and drew me from within, compelling me to Him.

Why did you make that sound like a devil or a serpent was wrapping
around your soul and devouring it from the inside out? Or, was that
supposed be be a "female" angel caressing your soul in spiritualized
ecstasy of some sort? It's rather hard to tell what happened there ...

> It happened when I sought the truth.

What truth were you seeking? Was it the truth you found? Did you
already know this truth before you found it? Was there any truth
revealed not involving religion? Just what truth can't be found here
on Earth? We have the written word of God, and also science. What
more is there? Other than finding God or Christ, what truth did you
find, exactly? Or, was finding God or Christ the only truth revealed?

> I wasn't knowing what I would find, but I was
> seeking honestly ... and the truth found me.

Was that the first time you found God, the second time you found God,
or the third time you found God? Apparently, you thought you had found
God while in a cult one of those three times. It begs the question that
if you had actually found the truth the first time around, then why did
you join a cult? Was that to find the truth too? How many truths are
there? It also begs the question of whether the truth the 1st and 3rd
times were the same, doesn't it? That would seem to be a let down, the
second time the exact same truth was revealed to you.

> I hold out that hope for each of you.

Melzzzzz

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On 2018-01-29, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The Bible teaches truth. If you study it and serk the truth you
> wilk find it. You won't need me or anyone else to teach it to you,
> but God Himself will ooen up your understanding.

Blah blah blah... same old looney nonsense...

--
press any key to continue or any other to quit...

Peter Cheung

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Rick C. Hodgin於 2018年1月28日星期日 UTC+8下午9時22分21秒寫道：

Go fuck youself asshole

Rick C. Hodgin

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Jan 29, 2018, 6:03:50 AM1/29/18

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As you sit back mocking me post after post, my sentiment toward you
is this: that you will come to ask forgiveness for your sin so you
can be saved.

I want your future to be secure and prosperous, Alex.

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Rick C. Hodgin

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On 1/30/2018 8:14 AM, val wrote:
> вівторок, 30 січня 2018 р. 02:31:37 UTC+2 користувач Rick C. Hodgin написав:
>> On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 7:13:06 PM UTC-5, val wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>
>> Satan works using our intellect against us. He tries to draw up various
>> scenarios where situation X will happen, which would negate Y, or make
>> Z implausible, etc. It's his specialty ... to prey upon our own flesh-
>> based arrogance, to make us think we are so clever or smart that we can
>> reason out way away from God, or out-think the existence of God. It is
>> a regular ploy used by the enemy.
>>
>> Each person world-wide is drawn by God based on what they are willing
>> to pursue. No people are left alone and isolated. God searches hearts
>> and minds of all.
>>
>> But...
>>
>> You need only worry about your salvation. And then once you are saved,
>> then you go forth and reach out to other people teaching them the same
>> thing you were first taught (that they need to go to Christ and also
>> ask forgiveness for their sin).
>

> Or, satan doesn't exist...

The information regarding the truth of our existence is only revealed
to those who are being saved. For those who are content to believe
the lie, and place their personal beliefs about what is right/wrong
ahead of those taught to them by truth itself ... they will never come
to the truth because they aren't looking for it.

You are in charge of your future, val. Jesus has done everything to
make the way for you to be saved. What separates you from salvation
is only you.

This information is given so that those who have an ear to hear the
truth will hear, and come out from the world, and ask forgiveness for
their sin, and be saved.

Alex

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Jan 30, 2018, 11:34:32 AM1/30/18

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On 30-Jan-18 13:48, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On 1/30/2018 5:48 AM, Alex wrote:
>> On 29-Jan-18 22:47, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 5:43:23 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote:
>>
>>>> All I hear is fartgargling.
>>>>
>>>> Next up; cockwombling.
>>>
>>> It's all you'll hear until you seek the truth because our flesh is
>>> fallen in sin. It cannot know things rightly, and is easily deceived
>>> by the enemy I'm trying to teach you about.
>>
>> Bingo.
>>
>> Followup with a gruntfuttock in 3...2...1...
>
> As you sit back mocking me post after post, my sentiment toward you
> is this: that you will come to ask forgiveness for your sin so you
> can be saved.

I'm fine with my sin and mocking you, thanks. You can avoid it by not
posting your tedious twattery here.

Why you think your god would want a spunkmuffin like you as an advocate
is beyond me. You've obviously got some serious issues if you think
hanging around for an eternity listening to you dribble on is what I'm
looking for in the afterlife.

>
> I want your future to be secure and prosperous, Alex.
>

Me too. Thankfully, it's going to be nowhere near you, because your
ridiculously angry and vengeful god needs souls to sate his appetite,
Rick, and your conversion rate must be a big fat zero right now. I blame
your shit sales patter. It's the down elevator to the Big Bad Fire for
you. Mwahahahah!

--
Alex

Bernhard Schornak

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Jan 30, 2018, 12:16:02 PM1/30/18

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Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

> [About David's heart...]

>
> It must be broken by a humbling before you can be saved.

Well, that's the typical Christian behaviour: "Torture those who
deny to believe our fairytales!" All /good/ Christians practised
this dictum since Christianity managed to become the Roman state
religion.

Please stop threatening sceptics!

Bernhard Schornak

P.S.: How should one 'break' a muscle? You can cut it, gooify it
with brute force, fry / grill / cook it, et cetera, but it
definitely is impossible to 'break' a heart with any known
tool.

Rick C. Hodgin

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Jan 30, 2018, 12:26:52 PM1/30/18

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On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 12:16:02 PM UTC-5, Bernhard Schornak wrote:
> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> [About David's heart...]
>>
>> It must be broken by a humbling before you can be saved.
>
> Well, that's the typical Christian behaviour: "Torture those who
> deny to believe our fairytales!" All /good/ Christians practised
> this dictum since Christianity managed to become the Roman state
> religion.

There is no torture. There is only teaching. Christians are
instructed by Jesus only to teach. False Christians do otherwise,
men operating under the color of Christianity, but not adhering to
the true teachings of Christ.

We are not told to harm others, but only to teach. In fact, the
Bible even goes so far as to teach Christians that they are counted
"as sheep for the slaughter."

> Please stop threatening sceptics!

The threats are given to you by God's guidance to us. They are
literally God's warnings given to us over what He will judge. They
are not of man. No true Christian will harm any other person, save
possibly in self-defense of himself or his family, and even then
there are many who would rather take the personal hit themselves
than harm another.

> Bernhard Schornak
>
> P.S.: How should one 'break' a muscle? You can cut it, gooify it
> with brute force, fry / grill / cook it, et cetera, but it
> definitely is impossible to 'break' a heart with any known
> tool.

It is the pride and arrogance of the heart that must be broken. It
is the self-assertion of, "I am right, and what the Bible teaches is
wrong," that must be broken.

For every soul it is the same. A person must come to the personal
realization that they are wrong, and that God is right, and that
they do have sin, and that they do need Jesus. For all who do this,
they are saved.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

Bernhard Schornak

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Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

> On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 12:16:02 PM UTC-5, Bernhard Schornak wrote:
>> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> [About David's heart...]
>>>
>>> It must be broken by a humbling before you can be saved.
>>
>> Well, that's the typical Christian behaviour: "Torture those who
>> deny to believe our fairytales!" All /good/ Christians practised
>> this dictum since Christianity managed to become the Roman state
>> religion.
>
> There is no torture.

Do you deny this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials

ever happened?

>> Please stop threatening sceptics!
>
> The threats are given to you by God's guidance to us.

No. It is you who threatens those who deny to believe in the stuff
you post here. If a deity wants to threaten those not believing in
her, she'll do it herself if she exists. Only nonexisting entities
need henchmen doing those things they cannot do because they don't
exist.

Therefore, your deity cannot exist because it needs tools like you
to do her dirty work.

>> P.S.: How should one 'break' a muscle? You can cut it, gooify it
>> with brute force, fry / grill / cook it, et cetera, but it
>> definitely is impossible to 'break' a heart with any known
>> tool.
>
> It is the pride and arrogance of the heart that must be broken.

Who entitled you to torture other humans this way? Your phantasies
violate human law as well as the rules written down in *your* holy
book

"Thou shalt not kill!"

and, by calling people you do not know 'sinners', you violate this
rule

"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour!"

Hence, the only sinner in this discussion are you, not those *you*
falsely accuse of deeds they never committed.

Stop sinning, Rick!

Bernhard Schornak

Rick C. Hodgin

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Jan 30, 2018, 3:31:33 PM1/30/18

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On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 2:50:50 PM UTC-5, Bernhard Schornak wrote:
> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 12:16:02 PM UTC-5, Bernhard Schornak
>> wrote:
>>> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>> [About David's heart...]
>>>>
>>>> It must be broken by a humbling before you can be saved.
>>>
>>> Well, that's the typical Christian behaviour: "Torture those who
>>> deny to believe our fairytales!" All /good/ Christians practised
>>> this dictum since Christianity managed to become the Roman state
>>> religion.
>>
>> There is no torture.
>
> Do you deny this
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials
> ever happened?

No. It is as I indicated. Satan attacks people who profess to be
Christians. He does it very hard because if he can get them to
succumb, it does great damage to their witness, and allows men like
you to take a cursory glance at the outskirts of what you think is
"Christianity" and get such a distaste for it in your mouth you'll
run the other way screaming, "NO WAY WOULD I **EVER** DO SOMETHING
LIKE THAT HEINOUS THING THOSE CHRISTIANS JUST DID!"

Well, Christ doesn't call us to be like that, to do bad things, to
hurt other people. He calls us to live holy lives, and teach people.
That's it. We prepare for His return by honoring Him with the ful-
ness of our lives.

>>> Please stop threatening sceptics!
>>
>> The threats are given to you by God's guidance to us.
>
>
> No. It is you who threatens those who deny to believe in the stuff
> you post here. If a deity wants to threaten those not believing in
> her, she'll do it herself if she exists. Only nonexisting entities
> need henchmen doing those things they cannot do because they don't
> exist.

God has revealed it to us already.

God has already told us what He will judge. He's also told us to
go forth and teach people so they have time and space to repent.
He's done this because He has already made the way to salvation for
all who will believe and receive the free gift.

He has done His part, and He extends a free and open invitation to
all. He sends forth men and women like me to teach you the truth
so you can be saved. But, it's up to you and your love of sin or
truth, which determines whether or not you will be saved.

> Therefore, your deity cannot exist because it needs tools like you
> to do her dirty work.

God has chosen to use men and women to spread the message to other
men and women:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+1%3A21&version=KJV

21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew
not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to
save them that believe.

As I've indicated, the message is for those who will be saved. It
is given to those who won't be saved only as a witness against them
in judgment, that they were given the opportunity to be saved, and
they rejected it.

>>> P.S.: How should one 'break' a muscle? You can cut it, gooify it
>>> with brute force, fry / grill / cook it, et cetera, but it
>>> definitely is impossible to 'break' a heart with any known
>>> tool.
>>
>> It is the pride and arrogance of the heart that must be broken.
>
> Who entitled you to torture other humans this way? Your phantasies
> violate human law as well as the rules written down in *your* holy
> book
>
> "Thou shalt not kill!"
>
> and, by calling people you do not know 'sinners', you violate this
> rule
>
> "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour!"
>
> Hence, the only sinner in this discussion are you, not those *you*
> falsely accuse of deeds they never committed.
>
> Stop sinning, Rick!

People bear clear evidence against themselves visible to other people.
Jesus said twice in the same teaching that ***WE*** would know them by
their fruit (repetition was used in Bible times for emphasis):

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+7%3A16%2C20&version=KJV

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes
of thorns, or figs of thistles?
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Bernhard, I point you to Christ and teach you that you must ask
forgiveness for your sin or else you face judgment by God. I teach
the same to everyone.

You then tell me that I'm sinning, that I am violating the Ten
Commandments. I teach you to repent, you accuse me of being a
horrible sinner.

Bernhard, I am a sinner, which is why I also need Jesus Christ. But
I have already come to Him, and I have already asked forgiveness, and
I am now saved, so the witness I bear unto you is both from personal
experience, as well as direct instructed teaching.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

val

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вівторок, 30 січня 2018 р. 15:50:26 UTC+2 користувач Rick C. Hodgin написав:

>
> The information regarding the truth of our existence is only revealed
> to those who are being saved.

How do you know this? how do you know this claim is true? who and what did prove this? also, the information should be revealed before one is being saved. otherwise, that one has no means to know he is on the right way. just like you. you are fooled, but keep moving in a wrong direction. instead of living your one and only material/terrestrial life normally, you turn yourself into fanatical spam-bot, trashing your mind with surrealistic bullshit about what is a pure false. eternal heaven and stuff.

> For those who are content to believe
> the lie, and place their personal beliefs about what is right/wrong
> ahead of those taught to them by truth itself ... they will never come
> to the truth because they aren't looking for it.

Then tell me why you intentionally violate your own credo by
calling people you do not know sinners ("Thou shalt not bear
false witness against thy neighbour!").

> He calls us to live holy lives, and teach people.

Even if those people clearly stated they do *not* want to be
taught? Doing that, you apply mental violence, an equivalent
to physical violence. Which leads us back to the Salem Witch
Trials...

> That's it. We prepare for His return by honoring Him with the ful-
> ness of our lives.

If so, I ask myself why you have to do this in public forums
rather than at home, where you do not violate other people's
right to believe in whatever they *want* to believe? Are you
claiming you are authorised to violate other peoples rights?

>>>> Please stop threatening sceptics!
>>>
>>> The threats are given to you by God's guidance to us.
>>
>> No. It is you who threatens those who deny to believe in the stuff
>> you post here. If a deity wants to threaten those not believing in
>> her, she'll do it herself if she exists. Only nonexisting entities
>> need henchmen doing those things they cannot do because they don't
>> exist.
>
> God has revealed it to us already.

Not to me. And I doubt she ever would, because that required
her existence. As long as she is not talking to us directly,
your 'God theory' stays falsified.

> God has already told us what He will judge.

No, she didn't. If this was important for her, she wasted 61
years with hiding her wishes from me. Why didn't she tell me
when I was young? Why didn't she weave such important wishes
into our DNA, so we always would know? Are you sure she ever
talked to you personally without the help of drugs?

> He's also told us to
> go forth and teach people so they have time and space to repent.

Why would any omnipresent deity need mortal beings to spread
her 'message'? If she really was omnipresent, omnipotent and
omniscient, she simply could implant them in those she wants
to address. If not, she either is not omni-everything or she
does not exist...

> He has done His part, and He extends a free and open invitation to
> all. He sends forth men and women like me to teach you the truth
> so you can be saved. But, it's up to you and your love of sin or
> truth, which determines whether or not you will be saved.

In friendly words: This is crap, because you assume everyone
is sharing your ethical virtues. Which can't be true for the
*entire* planet, because there are other religions competing
with Christianity, which do not share Christian virtues.

>> Therefore, your deity cannot exist because it needs tools like you
>> to do her dirty work.
>
> God has chosen to use men and women to spread the message to other
> men and women:

This is no answer to my statement. Either you have arguments
to falsify my thesis, or you can't falsify it. Reciting some
bible verses does not falsify my thoughts...

> As I've indicated, the message is for those who will be saved.

If so: Why do you bother us with your texts? If it's already
determined who will be 'saved', then it's quite pointless to
evangelise those who will not be 'saved'...

>> Stop sinning, Rick!
>
> People bear clear evidence against themselves visible to other people.

You do that frequently... ;)

> Jesus said twice in the same teaching that ***WE*** would know them by
> their fruit (repetition was used in Bible times for emphasis):

Jesus is an invention of greedy charlatans. Why should I (or
anyone else) believe in words invented by someone whose real
intention was to fool people?

> https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+7%3A16%2C20&version=KJV
>
> 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes
> of thorns, or figs of thistles?
> 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
>
> Bernhard, I point you to Christ and teach you that you must ask
> forgiveness for your sin or else you face judgment by God.

And I told you I do not believe in deities per se. Which was
a clear signal not to bother me with your religious 'truths'
again. Not to tolerate my explicitely stated will means, you
feel authorised to force me to believe in your deity. Surely
not the thing your deity told you to do with those who don't
want to believe in her (if she ever talked to you...).

> You then tell me that I'm sinning, that I am violating the Ten
> Commandments. I teach you to repent, you accuse me of being a
> horrible sinner.

Rick, I did not judge you. I just enumerated those things we
all can find in almost each of your OT postings. If you feel
authorised to call all readers sinner without knowing any of
us, then I feel authorised to call you sinner because you're
fabricating accusations you cannot prove. And that is called
'sin' - even in your personal religious context.

For me, you're just another misled poor sod who is fooled by
a clever sect leader, who only wants to get control over his
'sheep'. Christian sects do that, Muslim sects do it as well
as Scientology or the Mormons. Sorry for you, but no one can
help you out of the infinite loop you're in - either you get
out of there on your own, or you'll sink like a leaden ship.

Greetings from Augsburg

Bernhard Schornak

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On 2018-01-31, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> But something unexpected happened to me. As I sought the truth, to
> get a true and proper understanding of the Bible, God opened up my
> understanding of the truth and drew me from within to His Son.

In other words you went nuts...

>
> I was floored. Flabbergasted. Amazed. Stunned. I could not believe
> what had just happened to me.

Yeah, that happens when you flip...

Bernhard Schornak

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Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

> Christians cite Josephus because he wrote more than one account,
> only one of which is highly disputed:
>
> https://answersingenesis.org/jesus-christ/incarnation/jesus-did-not-exist/
>
> Josephus (AD 37–c.100, Jewish military leader and
> historian): Wrote about Jesus on two occasions.
> The authenticity of one occurrence, known as the
> Testimonium Flavianum, is hotly disputed, but his
> account of the execution of James is generally
> accepted, and he mentioned James, “the brother
> of Jesus who was called the Christ.”
>
> Tacitus (AD 56–120, great Roman historian): Reported
> that after rumors spread about Nero burning Rome,
> Nero needed scapegoats for the crime and chose
> “Christians, [who were] hated for their abominable
> crimes. Their name comes from Christ, who, during
> the reign of Tiberius, had been executed by the
> procurator Pontius Pilate.”
>
> Pliny the Younger (AD 61–c.112, Roman senator): Wrote
> to Emperor Trajan about his experience with Christians.

Both Josephus passages are forgeries. You just have to read the
paragraphs before and after the later inserted text. Otherwise,
you might want to answer why those wonders performed by Yeshua,
the annointed one (which means designated king of Israel), were
'horrible catastrophies' [from: Antiquitates Judaicae, Book 18,
chapter 4 (originally chapter 3...)]?

Tacitus wrote about 'Chrestiani' and 'Chrestus'. Chrestus means
the useful and was a common name for slaves in the Roman Empire
in Nero's times (whom Tacitus wrote about in the cited text).

http://www.textexcavation.com/documents/zaratacituschrestianos.pdf

Moreover, Tacitus didn't like Nero, so his 'report' was sligtly
biased. Today, we know Nero had nothing to do with that fire at
all, and the 'persecution of Christians' was a later invention,
spread to justify Christian massacres 'in the name of God'.

Tacitus, born 58 AD, wrote his report 116 or 117 AD, so he only
could write down what others told him. If you read the text, it
is obvious that his source was a member of one of the Christian
sects who just made use of the opportunity to spread the lately
invented Christian ideology. It's not more than hearsay written
down four generations after an (invented!) event.

A more detailed evaluation with the complete passages is here

http://non-theismus.blogspot.de/2010/07/anmerkungen-zum-historischen-jesus.html

and here

http://non-theismus.blogspot.de/2012/08/anmerkungen-zu-anmerkungen-zum.html

Sorry, but these blog posts are German, only. There are tons of
equivalent sites in native English...

> They also continue to find new evidence which supports the
> Biblical accounts.

It's called 'Biblical Archaeology'. Digging to prove the bible.
If something does not match, we interprete it until it matches.
Read Finkelstein, not Garfinkel... ;)

Bernhard Schornak

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Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

> On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 10:27:09 PM UTC-5, Bernhard Schornak wrote:
>> [snip]
>
> You are not a believer, Bernhard.

That's what I told you the last bazillion replies. Seems you
needed some time to realise what I wrote... ;)

> You do not seek the truth about the Bible or Jesus Christ.

An obvious lie - I *found* the truth behind both, and that's
what I wrote from the very first reply until the last one.

> You will only see all things related to Christian teachings as evil,
> hurtful, harmful, and wrong.

Because they are. At least for those killed by Christians in
the name of an illusonary deity.

> I will pray for you, Bernhard.

Save the time and lend a hand for one who really needs help.
I live a good life, nothing to improve or mutter about.

> I pray you experience that transformation.

Why should I? I know there's a life before death, and I know
that I gave more than I took - what else could a good person
do to keep humanity alive? Nothing. To stop living because a
promised 'life after death' and start obeying the will of an
invented deity to get a place in 'heaven' is naive...

Keep on looping!

Bernhard Schornak

Rick C. Hodgin

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http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0078%3Abook%3D15%3Achapter%3D44

Published in 1942 in English.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

Kerr-Mudd,John

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On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 03:27:05 GMT, Bernhard Schornak <scho...@web.de>

wrote:

> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
>
>> On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 2:50:50 PM UTC-5, Bernhard Schornak
>> wrote:
>>> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 12:16:02 PM UTC-5, Bernhard
>>>> Schornak wrote:
>>>>> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

[200+ lines snipped]

PDFTT. He won't listen.

--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.

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More netiquette here Rick. You have to leave some context to your reply,
and I'm afraid that responding to [snip] leaves us high and dry.

What was Bernhard talking about, we wonder? Interrupt handling in device
drivers? Supporting boots from USB? MBR sectors? Switching from ring 0
to ring 3? 64bit canonical addresses? I presume you were pointing to
some external source for Bernhard's query? A website perhaps, so a link
might help?

This guy God had better be good though; Bernhard's no slouch when it
comes to OS stuff...

O hang on, I see. You're replying to your own website link. You're not
really reply to Bernhard at all, are you. It's just you cracking off
another one for Jesus.

--
Alex

Rick C. Hodgin

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On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 8:51:11 AM UTC-5, Alex wrote:
> More netiquette here Rick. You have to leave some context to your

> reply...

My son's name is Alex. We observed one day at a restaurant that has
those mattes you can play games and draw on with crayons before your
meal arrives that as we wrote our names ... they're actually very
similar:

Rick
Alex

In both cases, the left-most letter has an enclosed area and is
resting on two legs. The second letter from the left is basically
a straight line, though broken on Rick. The third letter is a c
with an extra line in Alex, and the right-most letter is a letter
connected in the middle, with two legs extending down, and two arms
extending up, at slightly different angles with slightly different
lengths.

Since your name is Alex we're also similar in that way, Alex.

:-)

--
Rick C. Hodgin

PS -- Happy Super Blue Blood Moon Day!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P11y8N22Rq0

Alex

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On 31-Jan-18 14:11, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 8:51:11 AM UTC-5, Alex wrote:
>> More netiquette here Rick. You have to leave some context to your
>> reply...
>
> My son's name is Alex. We observed one day at a restaurant that has
> those mattes you can play games and draw on with crayons before your
> meal arrives that as we wrote our names ... they're actually very
> similar:
>
> Rick
> Alex
>
> In both cases, the left-most letter has an enclosed area and is
> resting on two legs. The second letter from the left is basically
> a straight line, though broken on Rick. The third letter is a c
> with an extra line in Alex, and the right-most letter is a letter
> connected in the middle, with two legs extending down, and two arms
> extending up, at slightly different angles with slightly different
> lengths.
>
> Since your name is Alex we're also similar in that way, Alex.
>
> :-)
>

Is Alex like his father? Or can he carry on an appropriate and adult
conversation based on his environment and audience, and does he
understand when to stop talking and listen?

--
Alex

Rick C. Hodgin

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He has an amalgam of myself and his mother. He's a good kid.

FWIW, Alex, my posts are generally teaching, and my personality comes
out at times when I am being silly. My son and I really did discover
that out about our names, but the purpose of my reply was to be silly
to your request that I should observe better netiquette.

I'm really not the guy you think I am. I'm funny, witty, creative,
and many other traits that are typical among intelligent developers.
I just happen to also be a Christian, so I teach about Christ. I
want others to come to see what I found back in 2004.

If you're ever in Indianapolis, IN, look me up before you arrive.
We'll meet at the airport or whatever and you can examine me and
my person face-to-face. The "interactive Rick" able to answer your
inquiries in detail. :-)

--
Rick C. Hodgin

Bernhard Schornak

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Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

> On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 7:56:50 AM UTC-5, Bernhard Schornak wrote:
>> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>
>>
>>> http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0078%3Abook%3D15%3Achapter%3D44
>>>
>>> Published in 1942 in English.
>>
>> [snip]
>
> The information is before you.

Ditto. I just updated it to the recent state of knowledge.

> You will only receive it if/when God draws you.

Nope. We are talking about exact sciences (archaeology and
history), not about fictive deities. If you cannot falsify
the evidence I posted, you should accept it as fact.

Please keep in mind that you claim things you can't backup
with archaeological or historical evidence - the burden of
proof is on your shoulders, so citing religious texts will
not help to make your claims more believable.

Keep on looping...

Bernhard Schornak

Alex

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He has my sympathies.

>
> FWIW, Alex, my posts are generally teaching, and my personality comes

Inappropriate teaching. This isn't alt.whackoneoff.forjesus, it's
alt.os.development. And you've also taken to jerking off over at
comp.arch, and no doubt other newsgroups where you'll be as welcome as
fresh trouser mayonnaise.

> out at times when I am being silly. My son and I really did discover
> that out about our names, but the purpose of my reply was to be silly
> to your request that I should observe better netiquette.

You've a personality? It comes out when you're silly? That's your excuse?

>
> I'm really not the guy you think I am. I'm funny, witty, creative,

I wonder how you know what I think you are. Is it perhaps because you
get this negative reaction from people in real life too, because you're
just one enormous Satan sized pain in the butt?

> and many other traits that are typical among intelligent developers.

That's funny. Seriously.

> I just happen to also be a Christian, so I teach about Christ. I

And an enormous twazzock. You don't need to be everything everywhere
for everyone every time. Be selective. Try being that intelligent
developer here. Be a teacher of religion elsewhere.

> want others to come to see what I found back in 2004.

Don't. It's a hugely inappropriate thing for a funny, witty, creative,
intelligent developer to be doing in a development usenet group. Do it
where you're wanted and your message is on topic. Make friends for you
and Jesus, not enemies. No-one wants your message of salvation, unless
you can save them with bits of 64bit assembler or point them to a verse
or two on MSRs.

>
> If you're ever in Indianapolis, IN, look me up before you arrive.
> We'll meet at the airport or whatever and you can examine me and
> my person face-to-face. The "interactive Rick" able to answer your
> inquiries in detail. :-)
>

No thanks. I have no desire to "examine" you or your "person". But I am
putting you in my "You. Yes, you. Fuck off and die" block list. I've
tried blocking [Jesus Loves You] but it hasn't caught this latest wave
of your jibbering.

There are only a few nutjobs in it; Rod Pemberton for right wing pompous
fuckwittery (Hi Rod! Can't hear you!), an Arab who posts screeds of
pointless links, an Italian who posts long political diatribes in UPPER
CASE, a complete zoomer called gavino who repetitively posts the same
questions every week, and two people I took an irrational dislike to who
no longer post on usenet and are probably dead.

And now you get to join them for the sin of religious onanism. Bye.

--
Alex

Rick C. Hodgin

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On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 11:07:05 AM UTC-5, Alex wrote:
> On 31-Jan-18 15:17, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > FWIW, Alex, my posts are generally teaching, and my personality comes
>

> Inappropriate teaching. This isn't alt....forjesus, it's
> alt.os.development.

Part of the teaching is that Jesus wants us writing operating systems.
He wants us designing new cars. He wants us working on those things
which interest us ... but, He wants us doing it for Him, because only
His guidance and foundation are solid and will endure.

He's looking out for our future. He's guiding us rightly from within.
He's teaching us the truth about who we are, why we need Him, who the
enemy is, why we need to avoid him, and so on.

Jesus is truth. He is THE way, THE truth, and THE life. There is
none other. It's why I teach you about Him. Examine these claims
for yourself and see for yourself.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

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Bernhard Schornak

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Kerr-Mudd,John schrieb:

> PDFTT. He won't listen.

Seems TT ran out of 'arguments'... ;)

Rick C. Hodgin

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On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 6:54:04 PM UTC-5, Bernhard Schornak wrote:
> Kerr-Mudd,John schrieb:
> > PDFTT. He won't listen.
> Seems TT ran out of 'arguments'... ;)

I don't argue with people. I teach.

I've taught you the truth. It's not my job to make you
believe it. That's God's job.

I will caution you that Satan is a liar, the father of
lies, and his m.o. is always seeds of doubt. He presents
alternatives... because he can't change the truth. All he
can do is muddy the water, make things confused, uncertain.

It's why we need God to lead us personally to truth, because
we are easily deceived. He is incapable of being deceived,
and He knows how to guide us from where we are to where we should be.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

Bernhard Schornak

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Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

> I don't argue with people.

You don't have to point out what everyone already knows. This
confession tells us we can ignore your monologues further on,
because you neither want to talk with people, nor do you want
that anyone reads your postings.

> I teach.

No, you don't. You want to replace our knowledge with virtual
BS, but no one is willing to buy your stuff. I don't know how
much proselytised victims you've to deliver to your guru, but
you will fail your monthly goal if you keep spamming internet
newsgroups. Take a walk and look for less intelligent people.
You can't convince programmers to believe in your BS, because
we are equipped with a working brain (automagically rejecting
impossible system designs like your GOD-OS).

I understand that you are frustrated because no one buys your
schmock, but: Frustration does not justify spamming...

Be happy while talking to yourself!

Bernhard Schornak

Rick C. Hodgin

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On Thursday, February 1, 2018 at 7:02:33 AM UTC-5, Bernhard Schornak wrote:
> I understand that you are frustrated because no one buys your
> schmock, but: Frustration does not justify spamming...

To be clear, I am not frustrated. I am saddened. I know what it
means to reject these teachings, to reject the offer of salvation
for your sin. And I also know that someday everyone who rejects His
offer today will then also know. And on that day they will weep for
what they lost, what they did and how they behaved toward those men
and women like me who did nothing but try desperately and repeatedly
to point them to the foot of the cross.

I care about people, but there are some people who will not be saved.
And while that pains me, I know the reason why that is and I agree
with His reasoning on this point.

Sin is a cancer. It is always and only harmful and hurtful. It's
why He made a special place of confinement for it, and those who
enter in will be subjected to nonstop torment so they are consumed
by that torment, being then unable to influence anything ever again.

I used to think that was cruel until I thought it through. One sin
by Adam and Eve and all the death, all the hate, all the war, all
the destruction, all the diseases, all the lost souls.

God is absolutely justified in condemning that cancer which is sin
to a place of unending confinement and isolation. I am thankful and
grateful that He is so firm in maintaining His House.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

val

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четвер, 1 лютого 2018 р. 15:08:17 UTC+2 користувач Rick C. Hodgin написав:

> To be clear, I am not frustrated. I am saddened. I know what it
> means to reject these teachings, to reject the offer of salvation
> for your sin.

not "know", but "believe", Rick, feel the difference.

> And I also know that someday everyone who rejects His
> offer today will then also know.

also "believe", not "know"

"believe" in such a nonsense in the age of Instagram, Higgs bozon and gravitational waves proof and Pokemon Go. xD

> I care about people, but there are some people who will not be saved.
> And while that pains me, I know the reason why that is and I agree
> with His reasoning on this point.

but if all newsgroups were "private", you'd stop to care. moderation presence is stronger than salvation promise.

> I used to think that was cruel until I thought it through. One sin
> by Adam and Eve and all the death, all the hate, all the war, all
> the destruction, all the diseases, all the lost souls.

What happens if after the salvation some new Adam makes yet another sin, Rick?
what does bible tell about this? does it? or writers were so happy with that, that forgot about recursion? xD please answer, don't omit. I know my english is lame but I believe the question has been formulated clear enough.

> God is absolutely

non-existent.

Rick C. Hodgin

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On Thursday, February 1, 2018 at 9:23:00 AM UTC-5, val wrote:
> четвер, 1 лютого 2018 р. 15:08:17 UTC+2 користувач Rick C. Hodgin написав:
> > To be clear, I am not frustrated. I am saddened. I know what it
> > means to reject these teachings, to reject the offer of salvation
> > for your sin.
>
> not "know", but "believe", Rick, feel the difference.
>
> > And I also know that someday everyone who rejects His
> > offer today will then also know.
>
> also "believe", not "know"
>
> "believe" in such a nonsense in the age of Instagram, Higgs bozon and gravitational waves proof and Pokemon Go. xD

It's "know." There is evidence given by the spirit nature which makes it
a known, not a belief. It is only a belief until it is accepted, and then
it becomes a known.

> > I care about people, but there are some people who will not be saved.
> > And while that pains me, I know the reason why that is and I agree
> > with His reasoning on this point.
>
> but if all newsgroups were "private", you'd stop to care. moderation presence is stronger than salvation promise.

You and David paint me as such a negative, hateful person. But I am
not that person.

In moderated groups I will move as I'm able, still doing outreach,
but not to the point of being banned. It's taken me a long time to
come to that realization, and it's literally from this year that I
have come to that realization, but I have been banned from multiple
groups previously:

Foxite
UniversalThread
Tek-tips

I can no longer reach those people in any way, shape, or form. So,
over time I have grown wiser and will now proceed within the frame-
works imposed upon me by others so as to reach people as best I'm
able.

> > I used to think that was cruel until I thought it through. One sin
> > by Adam and Eve and all the death, all the hate, all the war, all
> > the destruction, all the diseases, all the lost souls.
>
> What happens if after the salvation some new Adam makes yet another sin, Rick?

We all sin. Jesus forgives our sin, and He raises us up on the last
day, thereby encompassing all sin, past, present, and future.

> what does bible tell about this? does it? or writers were so happy with that, that forgot about recursion? xD please answer, don't omit. I know my english is lame but I believe the question has been formulated clear enough.

Your English is quite good. I've been chatting with someone named
Valeria on OS/2-related development, and he's from Ukraine. His
English is also very good. I'm quite amazed by that in fact.

> > God is absolutely
> non-existent.

I can't make you believe. I can only teach you the truth, give you
my testimony, and point you to others who can corroborate these
things. They do not come solely from Rick, but are traits found in
all believers world-wide.

Go to a local Christian church and speak to the people there and ask
them any questions you have. Tell them the things I've said. Give
them printouts of my writings and translate what I say to them into
their native language if need be.

You'll find the message is universal, because it is from God, and
not from some aspect of isolated societies or communities.

--
Rick C. Hodgin