Pray with me

[wolfgang kern]

because AOD became 'that' religious recently ...
You may know that I worship Lord Logic, so please pray with me:

cleric: "one AND one is one",
crowd: "one OR one is one",
cleric: "XOR one by two is three",
crowd: "XOR self will Zero see".

then we all raise both hands and show 132 with our binary fingers
to all who not believe.

amen.

[Peter Cheung]

wolfgang kern於 2017年10月2日星期一 UTC+8上午6時40分54秒寫道：

Rick completely destroyed this group and he never apologize, never feel sorry

[wolfgang kern]

Peter Cheung replied:

Yes, and he annoy other groups as well.
He is sick and seems to be already beyond any help, I banned him.
Please stop answering his weird notes, he might give up then.
__
wolfgang

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 4:44:41 AM UTC-4, Peter Cheung wrote:.

> Rick completely destroyed this group and he never apologize, never feel sorry

I am trying to teach you about something that is more important to
you than other things. I am trying to teach you that you need to
ask forgiveness for your sin from Jesus so you won't wind up in Hell
fire, burning alive forever, after you leave this world.

I am pointing you to the way to be saved from that end.

It is important, Peter. It is more important than other things.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 10/2/2017 4:44 AM, Peter Cheung wrote:
> Rick completely destroyed this group and he never apologize, never feel sorry

Peter,

I want you to think about what I have done, and what you have done.

I have come here warning you that unless you are forgiven for your
sin you will face an eternity confined to a prison of fire and angst.
I have come here to warn you about that end because I care about you.

You have come here and posted profanity after profanity. You have
gone to Facebook and sent profane messages to my family members,
including a little 13-year old boy.

Which one of us is doing harm?

My messages are given to you out of love. You reject them summarily,
and wrongly, due to the sin you embrace. But if you will ever examine
what I'm telling you with a real truth-seeking effort, you'll find that
I am not doing harm to you or anyone else here, but am doing something
that when you do see someday (what I tried to do despite the constant
hate and attacks I receive), you will see the love in my heart, and the
purpose in why I move as I do.

I care about the people in my life. I have interests in the various
software fields, and they manifest in my presence in these groups:

comp.lang.c
comp.lang.c++
comp.lang.asm.x86
comp.arch
comp.arch.fpga
comp.os.os2.apps
comp.os.os2.misc
alt.lang.asm
alt.os.development

I teach people in those groups about Jesus Christ because that's where
I am in my life. That's where I go. These are "my people," the one's
with similar interest to whom I'm around.

When I go other places, I teach the same things to them.

I do not do it arbitrarily. It is so exceedingly rare that I get even
the tiniest bit of positive response. I don't do it to be popular or
for some kind of approval-by-man reasons. I do it because I used to
not be saved, and Jesus did save me, and now I am on this side of that
new spirit life and salvation, and I see how it has completely re-
wired me from the inside out, and how I now know a love I never knew
before (and didn't even know I was missing until I received it). This
change is so profound, that now I want to honor the One who saved me
by outreaching to others the same way a man named Randy outreached to
me, and took the time to teach me the things I sought to reject and
even disprove at first, but later came to see I was the one who was
wrong, and the things he was teaching me from the Bible were correct.

I don't want anyone to wind up in Hellfire flames. I care about people
too much. And so does Jesus. It's why He came here to save us.

What I teach you is that His death on the cross need not be wasted on
you. He is willing and able to take on your sin and forgive you and
set you free from judgment and give you new spiritual life and set you
on a course to eternity with great prosperity, affecting many lives,
through the regeneration.

I reach out to you because I do care about you, and I want you to have
that wonderful end of your time here on this Earth, and also the time
here on this Earth of remaining close to God and living each day, while
keeping Him in mind in the things you do.

He brings you such peace and love for things and people in this world,
and it's something each of us needs in this world filled with real hate.

I honestly, and truly, urge you to consider these words, consider this
purpose, look at the fruit of my life given over to God in this way,
and then ask yourself, "Why would someone do that? Why would a man be
so driven in his life?"

It's not because I'm crazy. It's because I've found something that is
more than what this world has to offer. I've learned what it means to
be saved, and I know what it means to not be saved.

I would reach out and teach you so that you could be saved and have
your eyes opened to real eternal things that are looming over your very
head today. I would have your eyes opened so you too could ask for
forgiveness, and be saved, and be changed, and stand in awe as I do
even to this day, at the change that was done inside of you, in your
core man.

-----
Go and talk to Christians. Go and interview personally born again
Christians. Ask them about the change that came over their entire
being. About how they were unprepared for it, were amazed by it,
and remain continually in awe over it, because from what they knew
before, and from what goes on in this world, it stands separate
and distinct, its own thing, and because it is from God it is of
such a kind of wonder and awe-inspiring form that it just rocks you
to your core.

Jesus Christ is not a joke. He has the power, authority, ability,
and desire, to give you eternal life. He sends men and women like
me out to teach you these things. We do it because He first saved
us, and we know what it means, so we reach out to save others by
pointing them also to Him, as we were pointed to Him by another
before us. It is the natural way of things.

--
Thank you, | Indianapolis, Indiana | God is love -- 1 John 4:7-9
Rick C. Hodgin | http://www.libsf.org/ | http://tinyurl.com/yaogvqhj
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[Peter Cheung]

Rick C. Hodgin於 2017年10月2日星期一 UTC+8下午8時49分01秒寫道：

You are evil, just fucking die

[Rod Pemberton]

On Mon, 2 Oct 2017 08:48:57 -0400
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

> [Sigh, emotionally needy Rick again ...]

Ok.

Some of this may teach you something using quotes or parahprase from
KJV, or demonstrating you have value beyond just your Christian
beliefs, while some of it won't. I'm hoping the tone is less harsh
than some of my other responses to you.

> I want you to think about what I have done, and what you have done.

AISI.

What you've done is upset Peter (and others).

What they've done is try to get you stop.

Yes, I agree that's only one side of things.

> I have come here warning you that unless you are forgiven for your
> sin you will face an eternity confined to a prison of fire and angst.
> I have come here to warn you about that end because I care about you.

That's not your job. Meek people don't push their beliefs onto others,
as you're doing now.

Christ said to be like Moses (somewhere ...), since Moses was the
meekest of the meek, because the purpose of judgment is to save the
meek, for the meek shall inherit the earth, once the earth is restored,
since the meek are the ones who were taught Christ's teachings.
(somewhere..., KJV Numbers 12:3, Psalm 76:9, Matthew 5:5, Revelation
20-21, Psalm 25:8-9)(Sorry, I'm not able to locate that first one ATM.)

Today, over 24% of the U.S. population has a college or university
degree. Most degrees require a course or two in religion. Almost
all of the "young people", say under the age of 35 or so, who are
working in a STEM (science, technology, engineering, or mathematics)
field has a college or university degree. They've been thoroughly
exposed to religion, or should've been.

> I care about the people in my life.

About 70% of the U.S. self-identifies as Christian. For the most part,
you're "preaching to the choir."

If that was true, you wouldn't drive people away from you by preaching
excessively and vigorously to people who don't need or care for your
message, which is what you're doing and what you continued to do once
they asked you to stop. You would accept them as they are.

I'm sure many of these people are religious or grew up in a religious
family and/or society. For example, all family are religious
(Christians), except for a few, and so too have all my friends been
throughout my life.

> I have interests in the various
> software fields, and they manifest in my presence in these groups:
>
> comp.lang.c
> comp.lang.c++
> comp.lang.asm.x86
> comp.arch
> comp.arch.fpga
> comp.os.os2.apps
> comp.os.os2.misc
> alt.lang.asm
> alt.os.development

The last two are alt.* groups which have no topicality etiquette,
unfortunately. The others have etiquette requiring topicality, which
religious preaching isn't. However, you're rockin' the anarchist and
lunatic labels of "alt.*" meaning "anarchists, lunatics, and
terrorists". You just need to pick up a gun, and you'll hit the third
one. Hey, don't fall off the edge, OK?

> When I go other places, I teach the same things to them.

Come now. You're not teaching. You're TALKING AT people.

Teaching is a cooperative experience with willing participants.
Teaching without willing participants is brain-washing and maybe
torture. So far, I'm not sure that anyone who has responded to you was
a willing participant in your teachings.

Maybe, if you followed the old adage, "Give a man fish, you feed him
for a day, but teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime," then
you'd find a convert. I.e., people will listen to you and your message,
if you promise to teach them something valuable. E.g., teach a poor man
how to grow a fruit tree, after teaching the word of God. Of course, it
needs to be something you know, which he doesn't, that you can share,
which is of value to him. He may already know how to grow a tree. If
he's a poor African, he might not know how to grow fish and rice
together, like poor Thai people. He may not know how to grow corn or
wheat, or have the money to buy initial seed. He may not know how to
purify water or make bread. As an American, you should have plenty of
skills that others in this world could use.

Of course, that may be a rather difficult task for you, as it requires
empathy, compassion, and a deep understanding of those whom you're
attempting to help and their specific problems. You've demonstrated a
severe lack of empathy here, e.g., by ignoring requests to change the
topic.

> It is so exceedingly rare that I get even
> the tiniest bit of positive response.

This is because you're not listening to us. You're posting to the
incorrect groups. You're wasting our time as we're not interested in
it at least while were here, or perhaps not at all.

> I don't do it to be popular or
> for some kind of approval-by-man reasons.

Yes, we thoroughly understand that part.

> I do it because I used to not be saved, and Jesus did save me, and
> now I am on this side of that new spirit life and salvation, and I
> see how it has completely re- wired me from the inside out, and how I
> now know a love I never knew before (and didn't even know I was
> missing until I received it). This change is so profound, that now I
> want to honor the One who saved me by outreaching to others the same
> way a man named Randy outreached to me, and took the time to teach me
> the things I sought to reject and even disprove at first, but later
> came to see I was the one who was wrong, and the things he was
> teaching me from the Bible were correct.

We're all glad that you had a positive experience. Let me share some
of my positive experiences with you now.

The two most wonderful and intimate experiences (non-sex) that I've had
in my life are long hot showers and double-Dutch chocolate milk. No,
I'm not interested in sharing either with you. Yet, you've chosen to
share your most wonderful and intimate experience with us. Maybe, we're
uncomfortable with that, as we don't know you IRL.

> I don't want anyone to wind up in Hellfire flames.

Clearly, it's their choice.

God noted that man obtained free will:

"And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know
good and evil: ..." (KJV Genesis 3:22)

Even Jesus said it's man's choice to go to Hell:

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no
man cometh unto the Father, but my me." (KJV John 14:6)

Who are you to override what both God and Jesus said? ...
(You should pause here and think about that for a while.)

As a side note, Jesus condemns many good people, e.g., Muslims, Jews,
Buddhists, Taoists, Confucians, Hindus, atheists, deceased children etc,
to Hell, since they didn't accept Christ as their savior per John 14:6.
You think of Jesus Christ as being good, but what good man sends good
men and women into Hell? God only sent bad people to Hell.

> It's not because I'm crazy.

(That implies denial, as if you suspect you may be.)

> It's because I've found something that is more than what this world
> has to offer.

That doesn't help the poor, the starving, the desperate, the powerless,
here on this very Earth. What does help them though is jobs, money,
wealth, education, property rights, food, etc. You can help people
here. Anyone can.

> I would reach out and teach you so that you could be saved and have
> your eyes opened to real eternal things that are looming over your
> very head today. I would have your eyes opened so you too could ask
> for forgiveness, and be saved, and be changed, and stand in awe as I
> do even to this day, at the change that was done inside of you, in
> your core man.

Asking for forgiveness implies that someone has done something wrong.

Are you saying an innocent, starving child in Africa needs
forgiveness from Jesus and God before that child can be helped by
you or me? ... Ludicrous. If you learned that from Christianity, then
you're seriously misguided.

> Go and talk to Christians. Go and interview personally born again
> Christians. Ask them about the change that came over their entire
> being. About how they were unprepared for it, were amazed by it,
> and remain continually in awe over it, because from what they knew
> before, and from what goes on in this world, it stands separate
> and distinct, its own thing, and because it is from God it is of
> such a kind of wonder and awe-inspiring form that it just rocks you
> to your core.

That's a great idea! Why don't you do that and write a best selling
Christian book on being saved? Christianity appears to be your passion.
So, start a foundation and donate all the funds from the book to the
foundation. Have the foundation to charitable Christian work such as
spreading the word of God or helping the poor. What's stopping you?

> Jesus Christ is not a joke.

Did anyone ever say he was? ...

(I.e., there are not many people who would laugh at a man being
murdered or who was so.)

> He has the power, authority, ability, and desire, to give you eternal
> life.

So? Are you assuming that men want eternal life? Why?

> He sends men and women like me out to teach you these things.

No he doesn't. You chose this. Man has free will (as noted earlier).
That means you. As a Christian, you're supposed to be meek like
Moses. Proselytizing is not being meek. It's very aggressive.

> We do it because He first saved us, and we know what it means, so
> we reach out to save others by pointing them also to Him, as we were
> pointed to Him by another before us. It is the natural way of things.

Well, then, go to a bible college for a few years, get a degree, and
start a church. Why? Well, digitalization is disrupting and
transforming many industries. Since you're religious, you probably
believe that God "gave" you your coding skills for a reason, yes?
Maybe, your coding skills can do something useful for your church.
Maybe you will make religion more accessible worldwide using
technology. Who knows until you try it? But, by posting here, you'll
never know what you can do with those skills from God, will you? If
you believe in serving God, use your skills and time to serve him.
Coding is your skill, not preaching.

HTH, or more accurately, I hope you took some of that to heart.


Rod Pemberton
--
If you're upset over excessive use of force by police, leave your
basketball court or football field, go down to your police station and
picket. You can do that peacefully any day of the week without
disrespecting the American flag.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 10/3/2017 2:28 AM, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Oct 2017 08:48:57 -0400
> "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I have come here warning you that unless you are forgiven for your
>> sin you will face an eternity confined to a prison of fire and angst.
>> I have come here to warn you about that end because I care about you.
>
> That's not your job.

Please cite the scripture and verse which says to not go and warn
people, Rod. A Christian's authority is God, and God has given
us the Bible to guide us so that we are not carried away by men's
doctrines, but when we press in the things we do must align with
scripture.

I'll give you a head start:


https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+28%3A18-20&version=KJV

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is
given unto me in heaven and in earth.

"All power" was given Jesus. He has authority to command those
who are His.

==> 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in
the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
==> 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have
commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the
end of the world. Amen.

He wants us teaching. That teaching, in this culture, necessarily
means laying down the foundation of a knowledge of sin, which has
been lost through complacency and sin leading us away from God's
call, along with punishment for sin, condemnation for sin, and
salvation from sin as the free gift given by Jesus Christ.


https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Timothy+4%3A2&version=KJV

2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season;
reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

Be instant in season, and out of season. Covers all bases.


https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+3%3A2%2CMatthew+4%3A17%2CMark+1%3A15&version=KJV

Matthew 3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven
is at hand.

Mark 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say,
Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Mark 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom
of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

The "gospel" (the word means "good news" literally) is that God
has come to reconcile us (man) to Him. He did this through Jesus
at the cross to much rejoicing, even a symphony of praise opened
up in the Heavens when Jesus was born because of what it meant
to man:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+2%3A9-15&version=KJV

9 And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory
of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.
10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring
you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour,
which is Christ the Lord.

Jesus was born to save man. It was planned in advance. He was
given to man to be consumed for sin in our place so they can be
saved. And God raised Him back to life on the 3rd day, so that
He lives forevermore, as do all who put their faith and trust in
Him.

12 And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe
wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.

Here come the fireworks:

13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the
heavenly host praising God, and saying,
14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will
toward men.

They were so moved they left their flocks in the fields, and
had to go see for themselves. They found everything as the
angel had proclaimed.

15 And it came to pass, as the angels were gone away from
them into heaven, the shepherds said one to another,
Let us now go even unto Bethlehem, and see this thing
which is come to pass, which the Lord hath made known
unto us.

-----

The Lord has not left us abandoned. Sin is here in this world.
It lives in our bodies, in our societies. And there is a very
powerful, fallen enemy here as well (Satan, and all his demon
imps).

But God is greater.

For all who will seek the truth, eternity is theirs, the Son of
God is theirs, everything God made for mankind is theirs. All
of it is theirs for the acknowledgement that they have sin, the
desire to turn away and repent of sin (which is a desire God
gives you, by the way), and a full-on continual repentance of
sin, so that you do not desire the old ways, but rather the new
ways manifest themselves unto your life and existence.

Jesus alone makes it possible by what He did at the cross.

[Bill Cunningham]

"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0af7c24b-b735-465e...@googlegroups.com...

alt.religion.apologetics
alt.religion.christian
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic

These are some groups to look at. From some of what's been said, Rick when
it comes to faith you don't know enough to teach. One must learn first.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 at 8:28:48 PM UTC-4, Bill Cunningham wrote:
> "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:0af7c24b-b735-465e...@googlegroups.com...
> > On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 4:44:41 AM UTC-4, Peter Cheung wrote:.
> >> Rick completely destroyed this group and he never apologize, never feel
> >> sorry
> >
> > I am trying to teach you about something that is more important to
> > you than other things. I am trying to teach you that you need to
> > ask forgiveness for your sin from Jesus so you won't wind up in Hell
> > fire, burning alive forever, after you leave this world.
> >
> > I am pointing you to the way to be saved from that end.
> >
> > It is important, Peter. It is more important than other things.
>
> alt.religion.apologetics
> alt.religion.christian
> alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic
>
> These are some groups to look at.

The Lord's Great Commission says to go into the all the world, not just
the churches and places where people congregate to discuss religion.
In fact, Christianity is not a religion. It's forgiveness of sin, and
it's new spiritual life. Religion has almost nothing to do with it.

"Why I hate religion"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXKT8IPdvzA

"Religion says if you will stop doing this, that, or the other thing,
and start doing these other things, THEN God will love you. Redemption
says God does love you. God has loved you in the life, death, burial,
and resurrection of Jesus. God demonstrates His love for us in this,
that WHILE WE WERE YET SINNERS (still totally jacked up in every way),
Christ died for us.

"And the redemption of the love of Jesus says God loves you. God
loves you. And because God loves you, you can love God, and you can
obey Him because He will change your heart, and He will change your
mind, and He will change your life. Like Romans says, 'His kindness
will lead you to repentance.' "

"Christianity is not a Religion"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azWJ-MtxR2Q

"Religion involves a way. A path. And there's usually an entrance,
so we'll imagine it as a gate over here with some ceremony, initiation,
something. So, you're in on the way [and you're up, down, and you've
got imans and priests and what have you to guide you] but in the end
you're on your own because you're facing an assessment. And, according
to how you do in the assessment, you'll either get through to Nirvana,
Heaven, whatever it is.

"Most of my friends will roughly agree with me that that's religion.
They then find it very strange when I teach them that isn't Christ-
ianity, because those systems have one thing in common: They are
based on our human merit. So I'm striving, with the help of all the
teachers or whatever you call them, to stay on the way in the hope
that I will be accepted in the end because there's going to be an
assessment, a judgment where the good's going to be weighed against
the bad. So it's very much a meritocracy. [It's like what I teach
at Oxford, an initiation, guidance, and an exam, and that's what
many people think Christianity is].

"But it isn't, because the complete difference here is this: That
Christ came into the world and He said, 'I am the door.' The init-
iation is not a ceremony. It's a person. And He said, 'He that
hears my word, and believes on Him that sent me, shall not come into
judgment, but has already passed from death to life..."

-----
Christianity is not a religion. It is not to be treated as such,
nor discussed as such. It is something completely different, and
what I teach people is to go to Jesus, repent of their sin, ask for
forgiveness of their sin, and to be saved in that selfsame instant,
passing in that selfsame instant immediately from judgment and the
condemnation of sin, immediately over to eternal life as you are in
that selfsame instant forgiven of sin, removed from judgment, and
are alive again spiritually.

> From some of what's been said, Rick when
> it comes to faith you don't know enough to teach. One must learn first.

Are you a Christian, Bill? I was unaware.

Which parts am I teaching incorrectly? And why aren't you sending
me private email as one brother to another to rebuke and correct my
behavior? Why are you criticizing me rather than meeting me where
I am and teaching me the way to the true path, so that I will come
away from my error and teach people rightly?

-----
The message I teach is completely simple:

(1) You have sin (Romans 3:23).
(2) You are already under judgment and condemnation (John 3:18).
(3) Jesus will forgive you and give you eternal life (John 14:6).
(4) Those who do this will never die, but have passed (past tense)
from death to life (John 5:24).

All people need to hear this message. It is God's commandment given
to us in John 13:34-35, and Matthew 28:18+. God reaches out to people
in love, and He often uses us to do it.

If you are a Christian, why aren't you teaching the lost these things
so they too can be saved, Bill? Are you over in alt.religion debating
people over issues of religion (2 Timothy 2:23)?

[Melzzzzz]

On 2017-10-12, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The Lord's Great Commission says to go into the all the world, not just
> the churches and places where people congregate to discuss religion.
> In fact, Christianity is not a religion. It's forgiveness of sin, and
> it's new spiritual life. Religion has almost nothing to do with it.

You are still bullshitting , I see. You spiritual life consists of
matherialistic coimformism. You religion consists of pure lunacy.

--
press any key to continue or any other to quit...

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 at 11:21:38 PM UTC-4, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On 2017-10-12, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > The Lord's Great Commission says to go into the all the world, not just
> > the churches and places where people congregate to discuss religion.
> > In fact, Christianity is not a religion. It's forgiveness of sin, and
> > it's new spiritual life. Religion has almost nothing to do with it.
>

> You are still .. , I see. You spiritual life consists of
> matherialistic coimformism.

What is "coimformism?" I've never heard of that before.

A person's spiritual life is as a person does. You are free to
examine my life and draw your own conclusions if I am teaching any
things I'm not personally doing, or if I am teaching those things
I am actually doing.

You'll find I am teaching those things I am actually doing, and
have been doing and teaching for many years, and am striving with
an ongoing and renewing focus on doing even more today than I did
yesterday. It truly does amaze me this is happening. It's not my
doing. It is the spiritual life living inside of me that is over-
coming my weak flesh.

> You religion consists of pure lunacy.

I have a very limited religion. My faith in Jesus Christ, however,
is robust and permeating into all aspects of my life (much to my
own amazement I can honestly say, as Rick the man tries often to
derail His plans for my life, but because I truly do believe He is
able to overcome in me ... again, much to my amazement at all points).

-----
Melzzzzz, I'm sorry you lost your faith. I truly am. But know this:
it's never too late. You can get it back. Ask the Lord to forgive
you and He will. It really is that simple. Jesus teaches, for example,
that even a child could do it (Matthew 19:14).

By the way, you have no faith because you are not doing what God has
prescribed to have faith:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+10%3A17&version=KJV

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

In order to receive God, you must seek God, and not sit on the sidelines
throwing stones trying to defeat God with your own intellect. You are
not able to do so, and you'll only embarrass yourself and destroy your
own soul in the lake of fire.

God wants you to be a part of His Kingdom, Melzzzzz. But He can spot a
pretender a mile away. Such a person will never enter into His Kingdom.
But for the one who is truly seeking, is sincere, who wants to know the
truth ... God also sees that person a mile away, and He does the steps
necessary to make their journey successful.

You have no idea who it is you mock in Jesus Christ and the born again
spirit nature, Melzzzzz. If you did, you would stop mocking Him
immediately and repent.

[Melzzzzz]

On 2017-10-12, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Melzzzzz, I'm sorry you lost your faith. I truly am. But know this:
> it's never too late. You can get it back. Ask the Lord to forgive
> you and He will. It really is that simple. Jesus teaches, for example,
> that even a child could do it (Matthew 19:14).
>
> By the way, you have no faith because you are not doing what God has
> prescribed to have faith:

I don' believe in personal God, nor in Roman adaptation of Christianity.
I have my own religion.

[Bernhard Schornak]

Bill Cunningham wrote:


> "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:0af7c24b-b735-465e...@googlegroups.com...
>> On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 4:44:41 AM UTC-4, Peter Cheung wrote:.
>>> Rick completely destroyed this group and he never apologize, never feel
>>> sorry
>>
>> I am trying to teach you about something that is more important to
>> you than other things. I am trying to teach you that you need to
>> ask forgiveness for your sin from Jesus so you won't wind up in Hell
>> fire, burning alive forever, after you leave this world.
>>
>> I am pointing you to the way to be saved from that end.
>>
>> It is important, Peter. It is more important than other things.
>
> alt.religion.apologetics
> alt.religion.christian
> alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic

Except the last one all groups with one posting per thread. None
of those groups provides an active auditory like a.o.d, so it is
not the thing Rick really wants - he needs opposition to pretend
how heroically he fights for the 'truest of all truth's'.

> These are some groups to look at. From some of what's been said, Rick when
> it comes to faith you don't know enough to teach. One must learn first.

Especially not to teach if no one ever asked to be taught. It is
mental rape if no one is willing to participate by choice...


Greetings from Augsburg

Bernhard Schornak

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Thursday, October 12, 2017 at 8:15:54 AM UTC-4, Bernhard Schornak wrote:
> ...None

> of those groups provides an active auditory like a.o.d, so it is
> not the thing Rick really wants - he needs opposition to pretend
> how heroically he fights for the 'truest of all truth's'.

I post messages in the areas to which I have interest. I teach the
people I'm personally around in my life the same things I post as you
see them here.

Just yesterday I worked on editing a version of McFarland USA to remove
some inappropriate scenes for showing to my son's Spanish class at his
school.

I am not a pretender. I do not have alternate agendas. I was saved
by Jesus Christ in 2004, and it took me many years to realize what the
full extent of that saving actually means to me, to those around me, to
all of mankind, to our future, to the quality of our life here. God
continues to do a work in me that amazes me, because it literally is
not me doing it. I do things sometimes, say things sometimes, teach
things sometimes, and I am surprised at what comes out of my mouth. I
too am hearing it for the first time as I am speaking it.

God's Holy Spirit is alive in me, and He is guiding me, and guiding me
toward guiding those around me toward His Son so they too can be saved.

It's a very simple thing I do: Live for Christ, so that He will be
glorified in my work, my writings, my teachings, my speakings, and to
encourage and teach others to do the same:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Colossians+3%3A23-24&version=KJV
23 And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and
not unto men;
24 Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of
the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+3%3A6&version=KJV
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+10%3A24&version=KJV
24 Let no man seek his own, but every man another's wealth.

-----
You will not find a finer example of love, and love brought to bear
for mankind, than in the man Jesus Christ. He is love (John 14:6),
and all He does is done to give His creation a better future.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+10%3A11%2C14%2C15%2C17%2C18&version=KJV

It is for your eternal soul's fate I teach you these things. All
of us have sin, myself included. All of us need a savior, myself
included. All of us will perish in Hell without Jesus forgiving
our sin, myself included.

It's why I teach you to go to Him and ask forgiveness. You do have
sin. You do need a Savior. And Jesus was given for this express
purpose, to save us:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+12%3A27-32&version=KJV

27 Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save
me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.
32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men
unto me.

None of us know when we're going to die, so the importance of this
message moves to the head of the line. It is more important than
other things. It takes priority over other things. It is the thing
we must first reconcile before we do other things.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+6%3A33&version=KJV
33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness;
and all these things shall be added unto you.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+9%3A27&version=KJV
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this
the judgment:

It is important. It is more important than other things. And it is
for this reason I teach other people these things.

You'll note I don't argue. I don't debate. I also continually add
new teachings which explain in different ways the message. I use a
variety of sources, some audio, some video, some text, some me with
a summary explanation of things.

My goals are to reach people in the way they can be reached, and to
have their sin forgiven so they too can have eternal life, and also
experience the new spiritual rebirth Jesus gives us. It is like this
whole new previously untapped area of your life comes into existence,
and it is truly from there you are able to know, understand, and fully
appreciate God ... in as much as we're able while still tied to these
sinful bodies.

[Melzzzzz]

On 2017-10-12, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, October 12, 2017 at 8:15:54 AM UTC-4, Bernhard Schornak wrote:
>> ...None
>> of those groups provides an active auditory like a.o.d, so it is
>> not the thing Rick really wants - he needs opposition to pretend
>> how heroically he fights for the 'truest of all truth's'.
>
> I post messages in the areas to which I have interest. I teach the
> people I'm personally around in my life the same things I post as you
> see them here.

You are not teaching, you are preaching. For nth time.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

See Oxford English dictionary's definition 1.1:

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/preach

1.1 [with object] Publicly proclaim or teach (a religious
message or belief) -- 'he preached the word of God'

You are stuck on definition 1.3, and specifically the self-righteous
component of it. I am not advocating self. I tell you flatly that
I make mistakes daily. I too am a sinner who needs the grace and
mercy of Jesus Christ for my salvation. But I also purposefully and
deliberately focus my life upon obeying Him, just as the athlete gets
up early in the morning and runs even when it's cold or raining so
they can improve their ability, so do I press on for the faith, even
when it is difficult or causes me hardship. The athlete places value
on the final goal, just as I do as well.

Paul even uses that corollary in his writings:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+9%3A24&version=KJV
24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one
receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Timothy+4%3A7-8&version=KJV
7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have
kept the faith:
8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness,
which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that
day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love
his appearing.

It is a real thing. The spirit nature asserts itself at the forgive-
ness of sin. People are fundamentally changed from the inside out,
and it is there only, at that place of transformation, that the new
life can assert itself, that obedience to God's word is obtained,
and not through the flesh, but only through the spirit, as I have
said repeatedly I stand amazed at the things I say and do at times
because it is not "Rick the man" doing them. It is only Rick's
spirit, and the Holy Spirit of God at work within me.

It is that which I advocate: Seeking of God, of forgiveness, of sin
through Jesus Christ, of His holiness, His righteousness, His ability
to change you ... and nothing of me.

-----
In short: I teach you to go to Him.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

I advocate Jesus Christ. We're taught in scripture that faith comes

by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

You say you have no faith, don't believe in a personal God, but have
your own religion. I'm teaching you NOT to have a religion. Religions
are worthless. They are self-righteousness. They are a person seeking
to do better on his/her own merit.

Jesus teaches us: Come to me and I will change you. I will make a new
change inside of you that makes it possible for you to come to know the
truth, and to obey it.

It's not religion. It's saving faith, a new birth, and eternal life.
It's far far far different than religion.

[Melzzzzz]

On 2017-10-12, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, October 12, 2017 at 12:47:34 AM UTC-4, Melzzzzz wrote:
>> On 2017-10-12, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Melzzzzz, I'm sorry you lost your faith. I truly am. But know this:
>> > it's never too late. You can get it back. Ask the Lord to forgive
>> > you and He will. It really is that simple. Jesus teaches, for example,
>> > that even a child could do it (Matthew 19:14).
>> >
>> > By the way, you have no faith because you are not doing what God has
>> > prescribed to have faith:
>> I don' believe in personal God, nor in Roman adaptation of Christianity.
>> I have my own religion.
>
> I advocate Jesus Christ. We're taught in scripture that faith comes
> by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

And scripture is compiled by Romans.

[Bernhard Schornak]

Rick C. Hodgin wrote:


> I am not a pretender.

Right. You are a rapist who mentally rapes his victims with
stuff they never asked for.

Please stop your wrongdoing and keep your belief system for
those who explicitely ask for it. I am pretty sure your god
never told you to mentally rape those denying to believe in
her/him/it.


May Atons warming beams enlighten you!

Bernhard Schornak

[Melzzzzz]

On 2017-10-12, Melzzzzz <Melz...@zzzzz.com> wrote:
> On 2017-10-12, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thursday, October 12, 2017 at 12:47:34 AM UTC-4, Melzzzzz wrote:
>>> On 2017-10-12, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Melzzzzz, I'm sorry you lost your faith. I truly am. But know this:
>>> > it's never too late. You can get it back. Ask the Lord to forgive
>>> > you and He will. It really is that simple. Jesus teaches, for example,
>>> > that even a child could do it (Matthew 19:14).
>>> >
>>> > By the way, you have no faith because you are not doing what God has
>>> > prescribed to have faith:
>>> I don' believe in personal God, nor in Roman adaptation of Christianity.
>>> I have my own religion.
>>
>> I advocate Jesus Christ. We're taught in scripture that faith comes
>> by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
>
> And scripture is compiled by Romans.
>

They invented their theology and replaced Sun worship with Jesus. They
kept holidays which were dedicated to Sun with Jesus.
Konstantine who was wun worshipper just did that. They killed all
Christians then just changed original religion to suit their needs.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Thursday, October 12, 2017 at 9:49:04 AM UTC-4, Bernhard Schornak wrote:

> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
> Right. You are a rapist who mentally rapes his victims with
> stuff they never asked for.

I am not obeying your wishes, Bernhard, because you are a sinner and
are unaware of the truth that is before you. You don't yet know what
you don't know.

The One I obey is the One who gave me the command:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+28%3A18-20&version=KJV

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is
given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in
the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy
Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have
commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto
the end of the world. Amen.

God calls us to teach people so that they can be saved, Bernhard.
It is given for those who will hear the truth and be saved. It is
not given for other people.

If you do hear His call, rejoice, for it is God Himself reaching
out to save your eternal soul from Hellfire.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

I am not advocating any of that, Melzzzzz. And if you think that
God Himself can be undone by the efforts of a nation state to remove
Him from being rightly understood by His own creation (man), then you
have no view of God which is proper.

Man cannot take away the truth when God has purposed it to go forth.

You know nothing of God if you think He is so fragile and unable to
keep His own written word despite man's attempts to twist it. What
you are listening to are the twists, rather than the truth. You're
listening to the enemy pulling in doubt and sowing seeds of distrust
over God's written word.

You're listening to Satan in your pursuits, and not God, which is
why you've moved off into your own religion. Satan loves to isolate
people from others because then he can work on their mind and get
them twisted up 12 ways from Sunday.

No wonder you have no faith, Melzzzzz. The way out is to ask God
to help you. Come to Him in faith and say, "God, help me! I need
help! I want to know the truth! I do not want to be deceived! I
do not want to wind up in Hell!"

If you can do that with sincerity, God will do the rest.

[Bernhard Schornak]

Rick C. Hodgin wrote:


> I am not obeying your wishes, Bernhard, because you are a sinner and
> are unaware of the truth that is before you.

Who are you to judge other people and declare them guilty w/o
knowing them or what they do and did? Don't you think you put
your own person *above* the entity you worship if you pretend
to act 'in its name'? If you read your 'holy book' with care,
you'd know that you are the sinner, because you presume to do
things which clearly are *reserved* for your entity, only.

By the way: I am a human who shares the few things I have and
who's always offerring help when it's needed; *regardless* of
which belief system needy ones belong to. If this is your de-
finition for 'sinner', I am proud to be one...


May Atons (aka Sol Invictus) warming beams enlighten you!

Bernhard Schornak

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Thursday, October 12, 2017 at 11:39:42 AM UTC-4, Bernhard Schornak wrote:
> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > I am not obeying your wishes, Bernhard, because you are a sinner and
> > are unaware of the truth that is before you.
>
> Who are you to judge other people and declare them guilty w/o
> knowing them or what they do and did?

It is not I who judge, Bernhard. I am repeating what God has decreed
for all mankind, both in the written word, and in the way He sent His
Son here to save us while we were yet sinners:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+3%3A23&version=KJV
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+5%3A8&version=KJV
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we
were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Your ignorance of God's word is the source of your anger and
confusion over these posts. It can be rectified by study, and by
seeking the truth, and not just refuting the truth with what you
think today is truth.

You must become a seeker of truth if you want to truly approach
it, Bernhard. It was how I came to salvation in 2004. I was even
seeking the truth about the Bible so I could disprove it, but I
was truly and honestly, with a full-throttle, full-hearted effort,
honestly desiring to know rightly what the Bible was teaching. I
wanted to rest on assurance that I was right in refuting it, and
not just make assumptions about what I thought I knew. And in
setting my sights upon that knowledge in that way (to truly and
rightly understand it), I found the truth.

God is able to save us even in our rebellion. He knows who are
His. He examines our hearts and minds and He knows who will come
to believe. He reaches into every person who will believe's life
and changes them, and draws them to His Son.

Everyone who can be saved will be saved. Only those who flatly,
and in all ways, reject everything about truth will be condemned
to Hell. They are those who will never hear the gospel, never
follow truth, and are wicked to the core enjoying only sin and
their dark deeds.

[David Cooper]

On Thursday, 12 October 2017 17:09:22 UTC+1, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>snip

Rick - you've killed this group, so what good do you think you're doing? You're also driving people away from your religion instead of to it, and while that doesn't bother me, I actually feel angry on behalf of decent Christians who would be horrified at what you've done here. You clearly fancy yourself as some kind of Billy Graham figure, but he would be absolutely horrified at your behaviour because it is nothing more than vandalism, and it's 100% counter productive. Unless you're actually an atheist, you're an idiot of the first order. I don't think I've ever encountered anyone so dim.

Over and out (permanently - if this doesn't get through to you the enormity of the stupidity of your behaviour, there's no psychologist on the planet who can help you).

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Your skills in OS development may be adequate, even superior, but
there is something else you need to have in your life first.

I too want to develop OS code. I also have interests in language
code, and hardware, among other things.

The Lord wants us to do those things, but He wants us to address
our primary needs first, so that He is then the lead on the rest
of the things we do in our lives after that. Satan wants you to
remain in sin so that he has the lead on the rest of the things
you do with your life after that.

Jesus forgives sin, and leads people into all truth, all rightness,
all righteousness, all holiness, in love toward one another, with
goals focused on helping people and sharing your knowledge and the
assets He gives you with others where applicable.

Satan wants you bound in sin, condemned to Hellfire, and then to
seek after self-seeking goals with all of your time and labor and
efforts in this world.

Jesus leads to eternal life. Satan leads to eternal damnation.

-----
My goals and purposes are right goals and right purposes. They
place the proper emphasis on the proper priority, and then allow
all other aspects of our lives to follow in behind that primary
need.

You are a valuable person, David. I hope you will reconsider your
departure from aod. Your contributions here will inspire others
in their endeavors.

[Bernhard Schornak]

Rick C. Hodgin wrote:


> It is not I who judge, Bernhard.

Of course it is you and you alone who dares to judge other
people in this NG and only you give yourself airs to *act*
as your gods *avatar* on earth, calling perfectly innocent
people 'sinners'.

You got what you wanted: You destroyed the NG and drove as
much people away from Christianity as you could. When will
you start to murder those who deny to believe in your god?
There were always fanatics like you, feeling authorised to
kill those who insisted to keep their own gods rather than
to 'convert' to belief systems someone else tried to force
on them. No one can hinder you to violate rights of others
or kill people, but you should be aware: Your way will not
be accepted by *any* religion and is illegal in all states
except those dominated by ISIL, so you can be sure that no
sane person will call your doing good or just - it is pure
evil and nothing else than evil.

Be proud of having killed a.o.d with your religuous war!


As David said: Over and out...

Bernhard Schornak

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Thursday, October 12, 2017 at 5:35:46 PM UTC-4, Bernhard Schornak wrote:
> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > It is not I who judge, Bernhard.
>
> Of course it is you and you alone who dares to judge other
> people in this NG and only you give yourself airs to *act*
> as your gods *avatar* on earth, calling perfectly innocent
> people 'sinners'.

I repeat His words, Bernhard. If you have a problem with the general
assessment that you, I, and everyone else on Earth is a sinner, then
your issue is with God, not with me:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+3%3A23&version=KJV

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+6%3A23&version=KJV

(1) All have sinned, including me. And (2) Jesus will forgive all
sin, including yours. It is His free gift to us so that we can be
with Him where He is, and not judged and condemned to Hellfire.

It is God's hand of love reaching out to SAVE people from that end,
because they're ALREADY heading there:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+3%3A18&version=KJV
18 He that believeth on [Jesus] is not condemned: but he that
believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not
believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Each person's entire future in eternity depends ENTIRELY upon what
they do with Jesus Christ. Either receive Him as Savior, or reject
Him and remain under condemnation.

I teach you all the path of truth so that you will be saved. I want
you to be saved. God wants you to be saved. Everyone who's been
saved wants you to be saved. It is only sin and the enemy (Satan)
that wants you destroyed. Sin pulls at your flesh. Satan tempts
you through your flesh. But if you will seek the truth, God will
draw you to His Son and give you new spiritual life which will
override and overpower your flesh. You will attain the victory
only through Him.

It's why I teach you to go to Jesus Christ and ask forgiveness
for your sin. It's the only way to be saved, and the only way to
gain eternal life.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

I want the absolute best for each of you. I will not compromise.
You are each worth nothing less than the absolute best.

[Peter Cheung]

he is absolutely evil

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Friday, October 13, 2017 at 8:46:20 AM UTC-4, Peter Cheung wrote:
> he is absolutely evil

You misunderstand, Peter.

I urge you to read the Bible and seek an understanding of what it
says. You'll learn who Jesus Christ is, who we are, what sin is,
what it costs us, and why Jesus came here as a man in the first
place.

The things I am seeking are the absolute best things God has given
mankind. They are our redemption, our future, and our best way to
live even here in this world -- not for profit or gain in money,
power, or wealth, but in helping one another, in lifting other
people up, in teaching them, in guiding them, in assisting them
to be all they can be, rather than tying a yoke of bondage to money
systems and payment plans and high expense.

We can help each other with our labor. That is what Jesus teaches
us to do, but many people have misguided thoughts about Him because
they look to what sinful men and women do in His name and think that
He is those sinful things. He is not. He is different, and it is
the Jesus you'll read about and find in the Bible I point you to.
He is the One I follow because I have seen who He is, and He is most
worthy of me giving Him my full focus in life.

[Peter Cheung]

fuck off stupid shit, you arr just a piece of fucking shit, go fuck yourself, die in hell

[jb]

May I interfere ...

Let me state quietly : I respect religions, as long as they preach
respect for other religions, for their people. Apparently, you don't
even respect that. The way you preach (this is what you do, no ?) does
not respect this. It is god who judges ? Then what ? What have you got
to do with it ? Do you think you will get a better place ? No way ! You
do harm. You hurt people's feeling, you insult people, YOU judge ! Did
we ask you to tech us ? No way ! Did we bring religion here ? No !

I am a sinner ? So be it ! Better be a sinner than a harmfull idiot like
you. I reject you and your view of your religion. And remember, I, as
the proud sinner you judged I am "won't go to hell, for the devil has
had a injunction against me".

Now, much less politely : You have nothing to do here ! Go back with
your fellows . Go back to whatever you did just before interfering here.
Go shit your stuff somewhere else. If you can, get lost, far away from
anywhere ! You are not wanted here ! Get the f#ck out of here! This
newsgroup is about osdev, not religion.

Any moderator to ban this @55hole from here for a lifetime or two ?

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Sunday, October 22, 2017 at 2:42:17 PM UTC-4, jb wrote:
> May I interfere ...
>
> Let me state quietly : I respect religions, as long as they preach
> respect for other religions, for their people. Apparently, you don't
> even respect that. The way you preach (this is what you do, no ?) does
> not respect this. It is god who judges ? Then what ? What have you got
> to do with it ? Do you think you will get a better place ? No way ! You
> do harm. You hurt people's feeling, you insult people, YOU judge ! Did
> we ask you to tech us ? No way ! Did we bring religion here ? No !
>
> I am a sinner ? So be it ! Better be a sinner than a harmfull idiot like
> you. I reject you and your view of your religion. And remember, I, as
> the proud sinner you judged I am "won't go to hell, for the devil has
> had a injunction against me".
>
> Now, much less politely : You have nothing to do here ! Go back with
> your fellows . Go back to whatever you did just before interfering here.
> Go shit your stuff somewhere else. If you can, get lost, far away from
> anywhere ! You are not wanted here ! Get the f#ck out of here! This
> newsgroup is about osdev, not religion.
>
> Any moderator to ban this @55hole from here for a lifetime or two ?

I used to believe as you do. And I was sure I was right. I
was so sure I was ready to read the Bible and dismantle its
content systematically, piece by piece. I set my mind on getting
a true understanding of it so I could disprove it contradiction
by mistake.

By setting my sights truly on the truth, God opened up my understanding
to honestly receive His teaching in the Bible.

I became a believer within days, and that was 2004.

Since then I got involved with a cult, left my wife, lived with
another woman off and on for fifteen months, had affairs, lusted
after others, and did much harm to myself and family. I am still
in recovery from all that, which happened in 2008-2010.

Before that I was a serious, devout, disciple of Christ. And ever
since the same. But I face the old sin-loving, sin-seeking flesh.
I have to govern myself consciously, purposefully, and I've come
to understand why God gave us the written word: to guard us, to
literally protect us from an enemy intent on misleading us into
our destruction.

It's been a hard road for me as a Christian. Even in my church I
try to encourage others toward holiness, but they will only ignore
me, shun me, and even belittle me at times.

It has been this way for holy men of God throughout the Bible.
Preach on the love of God ... big congregation, many followers.
Preach on the holiness of God, on sin and our need to repent and
actively live holy lives purposefully, and they'll run you out of
town on a rail ... or worse.

-----
All I teach to each of you is: look up to that cross, to Jesus dying
there for you, and read the Bible to find out why, AND PROVE IT FOR
YOURSELF if /anything/ I teach about Him, our need of Him, is in any
way incorrect. You will quickly see as this woman did:

"What if they're right? What if we're all in trouble?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh_uAW5PTmA&t=25m50s

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodginn

[Rod Pemberton]

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 20:42:16 +0200
jb <j...@none.fr> wrote:

> Any moderator to ban this @55hole from here for a lifetime or two ?
>

There is no moderator for alt.* Usenet groups. Basically, your choices
are: ignore him, filter him, harass him, or you leave.


Rod Pemberton
--
Why are Hillary's living donors pedophiles and rapists? Bill Clinton,
Harvey Weinstein, Anthony Wiener, Jeffrey Epstein, ...

[Rod Pemberton]

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 12:26:09 -0700 (PDT)
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I used to believe as you do.
> And I was sure I was right.

You freely admit that you were wrong previously, but this time you're
correct? Yet, you're just as sure this time about being correct, as
you were the last time ... So, how exactly do you know you're not just
as wrong this time too?

You seems to be a case of "Gambler's fallacy." I.e., the roulette wheel
has landed on black ten times in a row, therefore, it must land on red
soon. There is no correlation with you being wrong previously, and you
not being wrong again presently.

You also seem to have the belief that the good can average out the bad,
which is common component of various gambling fallacies.

> By setting my sights truly on the truth, God opened up my
> understanding to honestly receive His teaching in the Bible.
>
> I became a believer within days, and that was 2004.

Gullible? Credulous? ...

> Since then I got involved with a cult, left my wife, lived with
> another woman off and on for fifteen months, had affairs, lusted
> after others, and did much harm to myself and family. I am still
> in recovery from all that, which happened in 2008-2010.

a) Holy Shit! WTF? How *EXACTLY* does that happen? If I previously
told you not to drink the Kool-Aid, I'm sorry. That would be offensive.

b) Are you still recovering from being brainwashed by the first
cult? You know, like, after-effects, ...

c) If Christianity is the one true path, and you were previously saved
by God, and God was protecting you from evil, just how did you end up
in a cult? Are you sure you were saved the first time around? What
about the second? If not on the second attempt, then you could end up
back in the cult, yet again. What did you do wrong with your first
attempt at salvation? Clearly, it didn't take. I've never heard of a
failed salvation before.

d) It seems you may have replaced one cult with yet another. Or, if
you live out in the country, you might consider having your well water
tested. Maybe, it's being contaminated by your septic system?

> Before that I was a serious, devout, disciple of Christ. And ever
> since the same.

But, just not there in the middle? How does that work? Not saved,
saved by God, "Fuck You God! Go to Hell!", somehow saved yet again by
God since once apparently wasn't enough for you, ... I do say, I've
never before heard of a man needing to be saved *twice* by God. Are
you the first? That truly implies that God failed you the first time.

> But I face the old sin-loving, sin-seeking flesh.
> I have to govern myself consciously, purposefully, and I've come
> to understand why God gave us the written word: to guard us, to
> literally protect us from an enemy intent on misleading us into
> our destruction.

So, the enemy is not you, but someone or something else, perhaps
something external and eternal? ... You have free will. Why are you
blaming another or others for leading you astray? ... Just
say, "No!" Shouldn't you take responsibility for your own actions?
Even if the Devil does exist and tempted you, you can't prove it. So,
others will just see you as being irresponsible or delusional, if you
don't blame yourself.

> It's been a hard road for me as a Christian.

Isn't God supposed to make life easier for his protected flock? Are
you saying that God failed you? Why do you worship a God, again, which
failed you, before? That seems insane.

> Even in my church I try to encourage others toward holiness, but they
> will only ignore me, shun me, and even belittle me at times.

What? Even not being a Christian, I can tell you that isn't very
Christian of them. Are you sure you're not still in the cult, but
the cult has brainwashed you into thinking that you escaped?

Are you in a Satanic church? Why else would they shun holiness, ignore
you, and belittle you? It really seems like you're still in the cult.

> All I teach to each of you is: look up to that cross, to Jesus dying
> there for you,

How do we know that happened? I'm not referring to him dying, or even
him dying on the cross which is questionable, but to him dying for us.
There is no proof of that. You must take that purely on Faith.

> You will quickly see as this woman did:
>
> "What if they're right? What if we're all in trouble?"

That type of paranoia is called self-FUD.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, October 23, 2017 at 1:47:53 AM UTC-4, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> Yet, you're just as sure this time about being correct, as
> you were the last time ... So, how exactly do you know you're not just
> as wrong this time too?

I've told you before. God changes you when your sin is forgiven.
The spirit nature asserts itself and everything changes inside and
out. The spirit discerns things the flesh cannot.

> How *EXACTLY* does that happen?

I wrote about it in 2009:

https://www.facebook.com/notes/rick-c-hodgin/a-christian-repents-of-sin-to-begin-anew/141228756443/

During that time there were many things happening in my life.
I didn't join a cult by looking through the yellow pages. I
found a group of Christian missionaries, and realized quickly
they were a cult and left. But the damage was done in that
short time.

The things we let into our lives affect us, influence us. The
people there had twisted Biblical teachings. It takes a while
to hear enough to be convinced it's not just a misunderstanding
by a sincere person or group of people.

I was only there from January 2008 thru March 2008, with closing
contact with some of the people there in April, but the spiritual
influences at work entered in and pulled at my flesh and I fell.

I got back up, dusted myself off, repented, and have been moving
forward ever since. My wife never divorced me, but to this day
the damage from that time remains. It is very hurtful.

-----
The bottom line is: I was and am a sincere, devout believer,
but I am still here in this flesh. It has the ability to be
deceived, and when I was around strong evil spirit influences,
the draws of my flesh led me. It took an intervention by God
to finally free me from it in a way that truly closed the door
on it, and ever since then I have again been sincere and devout
in my walk.

-----
I post all of this to tell you I am not immune to sin's draws
and pulls. I wluld still be there in that cult, but I am a true,
sincere, devout believer, and God came to rescue me from all that.
I have a whole testimony about His intervention. Quite amazing.

In any event, the flesh nature is weak. The spirit is stronger,
but you have to pursue it vigorous because the enemy is here,
and he knows where you're weak, and how to attack you where you
are weakest. But God never abandons us, even when we abandon
Him. He is a good Father, with real love despite our misdeeds,
and He comes to rescue us from our folly, just as you would do
for your son if you were able. Well, God is always able.

So many people are bound up as I was by evil spirit influences,
their flesh deceiving them into false beliefs. The difference
between them and people like me? We've asked Jesus to forgive
us, and He has, and that new spirit nature is a new life. It
cannot be taken away. He is there reminding us of His guidance,
but through our choices we must obey Him. And even if we don't,
because we are His, He comes for us, to drag us out of sin's grip,
just as He did for me, and for Lot and Lot's family when Sodom
and Gomorrah were destroyed, and many others.

This world is hard because of sin.

I am not proud of what happened, but it is part of my past. I
am hurt by it daily, and it serves as a powerful reminder as to
how easily one can fall.

But it was God who rescued me supernaturally. Changed the many
circumstances of my life, making it impossible for me to go back
even if I wanted to. About three months later, it was like one
day reality came back to my senses as that evil spirit influence
finally left me ... but, the damage was done and I was left there
in it.

I still don't understand why I went through all that. I have
learned a lot about the nature of evil spirits, their attacks on
the flesh, how they operate and subtly twist truth, but it's been
so personally painful and hurtful living in the aftermath. A literal
daily reminder of my sin, and the effect it had on many lives.

It was a powerful lesson with an ongoing refresher reminder.

[Melzzzzz]

On 2017-10-23, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> But it was God who rescued me supernaturally.

Go visit a psychiatrist. you need it.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, October 23, 2017 at 7:05:41 AM UTC-4, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On 2017-10-23, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > But it was God who rescued me supernaturally.
> Go visit a psychiatrist. you need it.

I'm sorry you lost your faith, Melzzzzz. You can get it back by just
reading the Bible. God will speak to you on the inside and renew that
which you have lost.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

If you have sin, you need a savior. Do you have sin?

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+3%3A23&version=KJV
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

What happens when one sins?

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+18%3A20&version=KJV
20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the
iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity
of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him,
and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

What must you do to be saved from that death from sin?

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+2%3A37-38&version=KJV
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and
said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren,
what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of
you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and
ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

What is the Holy Ghost?

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+14%3A26&version=KJV
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will
send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all
things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+2%3A1-4&version=KJV
1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with
one accord in one place.

In one accord, in one place. When was the last time we saw that in the
church? Probably here in the book of Acts. Men are too prideful, and
will not be obedient to God today. The enemy has worked them over so
much it seems like foolishness to obey God in this day and age. But,
God's wisdom proves out over time:

http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2017/october/cell-biologist-lets-replace-darwin-by-studying-dna-and-genetics

The Holy Ghost in this case descended in visible form, and it gave
those who were there at Pentecost special power. The same happened
to Jesus when He was baptized in the Jordan River. The Holy Ghost
descended in bodily form like a dove, and He was able to do all form
of miracles on the Earth.

2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty
wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and
it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak
with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

-----
What will Heaven be like? It's described to us as an Earthly paradise,
but even more so than that. God gives us an understanding we can relate
to, but we learn from Paul that there are things in Heaven that are not
lawful for a man to speak about today. So, it's beyond our ability in
our present, sinful form, to even consider.

It will be glorious, for it is the native place of God Himself.

-----
Repent and ask forgiveness for your sin and you also can take part in
that eternal future outside of time with God and the angels, lighting
up this universe in real glory.

[Rod Pemberton]

On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 02:23:07 -0700 (PDT)

"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, October 23, 2017 at 1:47:53 AM UTC-4, Rod Pemberton wrote:

> > Yet, you're just as sure this time about being correct, as
> > you were the last time ... So, how exactly do you know you're not
> > just as wrong this time too?
>
> I've told you before. God changes you when your sin is forgiven.
> The spirit nature asserts itself and everything changes inside and
> out. The spirit discerns things the flesh cannot.

Yet, /after/ God changed you, improved you, and protected you, you
somehow ended up in a cult. God must've frowned upon that. Clearly,
God should've worked on you some more. Yes? How does that happen,
ending up in a cult, /without/ having rejected God? That would seem to
be a rather bizarre situation. Did God fail you in some way, so you
rejected God? Should God's failure to help people in need be taken as
an indication that God doesn't exist?

> -----
> The bottom line is: I was and am a sincere, devout believer,
> but I am still here in this flesh. It has the ability to be
> deceived, and when I was around strong evil spirit influences,
> the draws of my flesh led me. It took an intervention by God
> to finally free me from it in a way that truly closed the door
> on it, and ever since then I have again been sincere and devout
> in my walk.
> -----

...

> I post all of this to tell you I am not immune to sin's draws
> and pulls. I wluld still be there in that cult, but I am a true,
> sincere, devout believer, and God came to rescue me from all that.

How many times does God need to rescue you? It sounds like alot.
What type of foul-up are you? Why should it be more than once? If I
was God, I'd find you to be a very tedious individual. There are seven
billion people on this planet, the vast majority of whom are praying
to God to help them. So, why should God bother to save you more than
once? People like you are going to work God to death, metaphorically,
of course. If it's within your power and you have free will, shouldn't
you take care of it yourself?

At some point, if you're always a dumb-ass, a person will get tired of
saving your dumb-ass and will let you fall or get hit, maybe literally.
Were you being an incessant dumb-ass with God? Was this God telling
you that God thinks you're a knucklehead? ...

> [...] and for Lot and Lot's family when Sodom

> and Gomorrah were destroyed, and many others.

Um, I'm really not so sure they've been destroyed. They seem to have
been reincarnated as San Francisco and Los Angeles in California. San
Francisco is fighting a large hepatitis A outbreak, which is spread by
person-to-person fecal contamination, i.e., gay butt sex, in this case,
instead of vegetables contaminated by illegal aliens working on farms.
Los Angeles is fighting outbreaks of of various STDs such as syphilis,
gonorrhea, and HIV, i.e., due to prostitution, porn stars, and
pedophilia. Of course, Christians don't believe in reincarnation. So,
you, as a Christian, can go right on believing that your all powerful
(omnipotent) God actually destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, and that those
cities weren't reincarnated once God left ... Or, you could simply
admit that Christianity is incorrect, and adopt a religion that has
reincarnation, e.g., Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, or Jainism. But,
that would require you to accept the fact that you've been seriously
wrong twice now, as I was trying to indicated up-thread.

> This world is hard because of sin.

This world is hard because people are assholes, alcoholics, and
argumentative idiots. No one is ever wrong. Everyone is an F-word
prick. Most people are drunk. Now, once you remove people from the
equation, this world is easy.

As I said before, I think the squirrels (and rabbits) shall most likely
inherit the earth as man is simply not meek enough.

> But it was God who rescued me supernaturally.

So, God is a supernatural being? I'm really wondering what other
Christians would say about that claim.

How did God rescue you? Was it by remote telekinesis? God is
supposed to be everywhere at once (omnipresent). Did you forget to put
on your the tinfoil lined hat that day? If you didn't put on the
tinfoil lined hat that day and God also saved you on that very same
day, that would be most interesting ... It could imply that the human
mind is tethered to God via an unknown communication channel which
must be activated via salvation. In science fiction, this is
tethering of multiple minds is referred to as a "hive mind."

> About three months later, it was like one day reality came back to my
> senses as that evil spirit influence finally left me ...

So, after being saved by God, God knowingly _ALLOWED_ you to become
infected with an evil spirit? Bastard! Sick or twisted. Don't you
just hate it when others let infections spread? ...

Once infested, er... I mean, infected by evil, did your cult or church
perform an exorcism on you? If not, why not? Like any other demon
possessed person, you surely deserved an exorcism. You're a human
being and deserve equal treatment. And, if you weren't "exorcised,"
how do you know you're not still possessed?

Are you saying that you're like pious Job in the Bible? Except, you
lost your faith and Job didn't? What type of God needs to actually
test the Faith of the faithful? God is omniscient (all knowing) and so
God should know that you are or aren't faithful without testing you ...

(Well, you've compared yourself to Christ, Job, and Lot, but I've not
read a comparison with Moses yet, or I missed it somewhere. Christ
said to be like Moses, the meekest of the meek. I've cited those
previously.)

> I still don't understand why I went through all that.

There are plenty of reasons, but you most likely wouldn't accept any of
them, because they are outside the scope of Christianity, your church's
beliefs, or those of your former cult. I.e., drugs, insanity,
poisoning, stupidity, psychosis, seven deadly sins, poor health,
torture, senility, possession, ...

After this bizarre thread, I think you should change the subject to
"Pray for me."

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, October 23, 2017 at 7:28:34 PM UTC-4, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> [snip]

I am sad for you, Rod. You cannot accept that we are sinners saved by
His grace. We are not righteous in and of ourselves. ANY righteousness
we possess is Him at work within us in this fallen-in-sin world.

I have nothing to offer any of you, except to point you to Christ so
that you too might be saved as I was. My personal offerings are tainted
in failure and shortcomings, but I strive to do the best I can to return
return in my small way the gifts He also first gave me, such as the
knowledge and talents and opportunities pursuant to my interests.

-----
God did not create zombie robots parroting His commands with a simple,
"Yes, master. Yes, master." He created living, breathing men, made in
His own image and likeness. He gave us a soul and breathed into us the
very breath of life.

He's creating children for Himself, Rod. Men who can fellowship with
Him directly, who are as He is.

It's a gift given to all who will receive it. It is not of our own
merits or abilities. It is us seeking the truth, and Him opening up
our understanding to receive it.

[Rod Pemberton]

On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 17:26:42 -0700 (PDT)

"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

> He created living, breathing men, made in His own image and likeness.

No, God didn't. God even said that God didn't do that. For proof,
the King James Version of the Bible is quoted below. This tells me
you've never read Genesis even once. I would expect a religious man to
at least have read the beginning and end of the Bible, i.e., Genesis
and Revelations. As for a man who is as religious as you say you are,
I would expect you to have read much more and even memorized it.

"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: ..."
-Genesis 1:26, KJV

Just who is "our"? Clearly, it's not "His own" image as you've stated,
but the image of a group of entities of which God is but one, i.e.,
"our".

> You cannot accept that we are sinners saved by His grace.

We? Why are you lumping me in with a bunch of sinners? What make you
believe that I've sinned? God said so? ...

> I have nothing to offer any of you, except to point you to Christ so
> that you too might be saved as I was.

"You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink."

> God did not create zombie robots parroting His commands with a simple,
> "Yes, master. Yes, master."

Exactly. That's called "free will". That's why "You can lead a
horse ..." Given that, what does proselytizing accomplish? (nothing)

> He's creating children for Himself, Rod.

If the offspring of men and angels or demons are evil abominations, why
wouldn't the offspring of men or women and God also be?

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 1:16:59 AM UTC-4, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 17:26:42 -0700 (PDT)
> "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > He created living, breathing men, made in His own image and likeness.
>

> No, God didn't. God even said that God didn't do that. For proof...

>
> "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: ..."
> -Genesis 1:26, KJV
>
> Just who is "our"? Clearly, it's not "His own" image as you've stated,
> but the image of a group of entities of which God is but one, i.e.,
> "our".

This is one of the first questions I had when I began reading the
Bible with Randy back in 2004. It was one of the first because it
is right there in Genesis, and we began reading in Genesis 1.

You have to understand God doesn't do things by accident. There
aren't parts put into the Bible which are contradictions, but in
all cases where there is an apparent contradiction, or some place
where man could look at it and say, "See, it says 'our' ... clearly
not singular!" that it is, in fact, God trying to teach us some-
thing. It's always a prompting to dig in and do more study.

If you listen to God teach Adam in Genesis 2:17:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+2%3A17&version=KJV
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt
not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou
shalt surely die.

Here God warns Adam about sin, about disobeying God, about eating
the fruit He commands not to be eaten of. But, we read later that
when Adam ate of the fruit He didn't die. Here Adam and Eve had
eaten of the forbidden tree's fruit, and yet God continues to speak
with them. Clearly they are not dead by our understanding of death:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+3%3A17&version=KJV
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the
voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I
commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is
the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all
the days of thy life;

At the end of verse 17, God even says, "all the days of thy life"!
So very clearly Adam is still alive.

But then we continue reading and we see what changed. God has at
first created the world perfect. He put the man there to keep the
ground and tend to it (Genesis 2:15). God said everything He had
created was "very good" (Genesis 1:31), but then sin entered in and
God cursed the ground, and things changed on the Earth, and the
world after sin was not like the world before sin.

And regarding Adam's death ... we read later in scripture that it
was his spiritual death that took place. He was no longer as he
had been created in God's image, but was now spiritually dead.
His spirit had died, and his soul was under judgment and condemn-
ation, yet was his physical body still alive, but only for a time,
as God also withdrew the river of life that would keep his body in
its prime forever.

-----
The "us" referred to there are the many attributes of God, which
then manifest themselves outwardly into the identity God has given
us throughout the rest of the Bible: God the Father, Son, Holy
Spirit.

God is Father, Son, Holy Spirit, just as we, made in His image and
likeness, are soul, body, spirit. He is one, we are one, but we
are more than just this flesh.

We were created in the full spectrum of God's existence, meaning
we can laugh, He can laugh. We can cry, He can cry. We have joy,
He has joy. We have sorrow, He has sorrow.

We are His children, able to relate to Him naturally because we
are as He is. We could not relate to a dog the same way another
dog could because we are not a dog and don't feel the same way,
nor could a dog relate to us the same way another person could
because he is not a dog. Even the angels cannot relate to God as
we are able, citing that they even long to look into the things
that God has revealed and given to man (1 Peter 1:12).

God is creating a family. We (the church) are called His bride,
and He our bridegroom. God has prepared His own bride by what He
did at the cross, purging us from sin, making us whiter than snow,
full of His own righteousness.

-----
I heard something really amazing a few weeks back. It was during
a communion service. It spoke of how God put Adam to sleep, and
took a rib from his side and created Eve, and closed up the place
with flesh.

In the beginning, God created a bride for Adam from his side.
And at the cross, Jesus created His own bride, with the last thing
being done to Him before He was taken off the cross, was poking
Him in the side in His death, and out came water and blood, the
same things that come out from a womb when a new life enters this
world.

God created His own bride by what He did at the cross. He restored
us to spiritual life by taking our sin away, so that we are once
again soul, body, spirit, not under judgment, but these three parts
of us are all us, just as we possess arms and legs and a head and
a torso, yet there is one body. For us, there is soul, body, spirit,
which allow us to exist natively, and interact with the spirit and
physical worlds.

[jb]

Rick,

It seems you try to say something but all I hear is "Blah-blah-blah"

Repeating some holly scriptures again and again makes you at best a
parrot (sorry for real, feathered parrots, I like them quite well), at
worse a copy of a copy of a copy of... well, you get it.

You are nothing here, you mean nothing here unless you talk about osdev.
By harrassing us you have failed yourself, you have failed to accomplish
anything worthy. Instead bringing us into your nightmarish, intollerant,
gibberish version of the christian faith, all you get is pushing most of
us far away from it.

"Can bring a horse to the pond, but can't force him to drink", I read on
this thread. So told my grandma too. She also taught us to shut up if we
ain't say something interesting or new.

Worse, you HATE so much our not being like you that you think you have
to change us. You can name it the way you want, you don't show love for
others, no, it the deepest of your heart you show hate for others.

And here we are, by the magic of Rick's ill fated neuronal network we
call a brain : yes, you, Rick, made a religion that should be of
unconditional love for every sentient being, YOU made it into something
of hate.

Rick, oh Rick, I know it's hard to accept, but Hell's path is paved with
good intentions, and YOU are on this very wrong path for a self
proclaimed christian, even with good intentions. Good intentions are not
an excuse for misbehaving.

Maybe in this life, maybe in one of the next ones, you will accept that
there is no such unique way to reach God, you will learn that each
sentient being has his own path to follow to reach oneness within God.
By trying to pull us onto your own path to Him, all you will get is you
will push us away from Him.

Yes, Rick, you are diverting people away from your god ! You are working
hard against your own faith, aren't you ?

One single, simple advice that even a donkey like you should understand
: take your bible, your speach, your writing, and retire into some cave
in some area where absolutely nobody lives, and let us enjoy osdev
between us.

(I apologize unto donkeys, for they are very intelligent and I like them
at least as much as parrots)

Le 25/10/2017 à 14:26, Rick C. Hodgin a écrit :
> On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 1:16:59 AM UTC-4, Rod Pemberton wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 17:26:42 -0700 (PDT)
>> "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> He created living, breathing men, made in His own image and likeness.
>>
>> No, God didn't. God even said that God didn't do that. For proof...
>>
>> "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: ..."

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 3:16:12 PM UTC-4, jb wrote:
> Rick,

> It seems you try to say something but all I hear is "Blah-blah-blah"...
> [snip]

Not everybody will be saved, JB. His message is given for those who
can hear it. It's not given for other people, though it will serve as
a witness against them on the day of judgment, because they heard the
message, but did not receive it.

If you can hear His message resonating within your own heart, deep
inside (and if you do you will know), then rejoice! It is God Himself
reaching out to save you from death. It is God guiding you to
salvation from within.

-----
I challenge you, JB ... read the Bible and try to find fault with
Jesus Christ, His teaching, anything. You will not be able to, unless
you distance yourself purposefully from the truth, and then in your
own error you will be able to invent falsehoods and cast them upon the
Bible, but they will only be fabrications. They won't be real.

Your eternal future is at stake, JB. Please consider it with a real
consideration.

[Melzzzzz]

On 2017-10-25, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If you can hear His message resonating within your own heart, deep
> inside (and if you do you will know), then rejoice! It is God Himself
> reaching out to save you from death. It is God guiding you to
> salvation from within.
>

Rick you will die, so do I, no matter what. Death is natural.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 3:41:41 PM UTC-4, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On 2017-10-25, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > If you can hear His message resonating within your own heart, deep
> > inside (and if you do you will know), then rejoice! It is God Himself
> > reaching out to save you from death. It is God guiding you to
> > salvation from within.
>
> Rick you will die, so do I, no matter what. Death is natural.

Our physical bodies will die, yes. But for those who are redeemed,
they continue on in Heaven alive forever:

https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/John%205%3A24

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and
believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and
shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death
unto life.

Only those who were not redeemed by Jesus Christ are cast into
Hellfire:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+20%3A15&version=KJV

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was
cast into the lake of fire.

And only those who did not believe on Him are they who are not
redeemed:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+3%3A18&version=KJV

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that

believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not
believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

-----
I teach you this so you can be saved, so that you won't be judged,
but so you too can pass from the eternal death we are all born in
to, into eternal life given freely by Jesus for all who will
receive it.

"I'm a Whosoever"
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4b/3f/33/4b3f33eccacd17ef2fbaf0df01295689.jpg

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+3%3A16&version=KJV

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.

[Melzzzzz]

On 2017-10-25, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 3:41:41 PM UTC-4, Melzzzzz wrote:
>> On 2017-10-25, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > If you can hear His message resonating within your own heart, deep
>> > inside (and if you do you will know), then rejoice! It is God Himself
>> > reaching out to save you from death. It is God guiding you to
>> > salvation from within.
>>
>> Rick you will die, so do I, no matter what. Death is natural.
>
> Our physical bodies will die, yes. But for those who are redeemed,
> they continue on in Heaven alive forever:

Where? Heaven does not exists Rick. We flew into the sky and found
vacuum. No Heaven.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 4:33:15 PM UTC-4, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On 2017-10-25, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 3:41:41 PM UTC-4, Melzzzzz wrote:
> >> Rick you will die, so do I, no matter what. Death is natural.
> > Our physical bodies will die, yes. But for those who are redeemed,
> > they continue on in Heaven alive forever:
>
> Where? Heaven does not exists Rick. We flew into the sky and found
> vacuum. No Heaven.

There are three Heavens:

1) The air.
2) Space
3) Something beyond space.

Paul teaches us about how he knew someone 14 years ago who was caught
up to the third Heaven:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Corinthians+12%3A2-4&version=KJV

2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in
the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot
tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.
3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body,
I cannot tell: God knoweth;)
4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable
words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

It was paradise. It was so rich with information and sensation.
He could not even tell if he was in the body or spirit!

Jesus also described Heaven as being paradise. He told the thief
who repented that he would be with Him that very day in paradise:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+23%3A43&version=KJV

43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt
thou be with me in paradise.

-----
Life most assuredly continues on for those who are saved by Jesus
Christ. But for those who are not saved, they go to sleep in the
Earth and await that final day whereby they are summoned by name
to give an account of their life under judgment:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+20%3A10-15&version=KJV

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of
fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet
are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Note: This is at the end of the Millennial reign. The beast and the
false prophet were cast in at the start of the 1,000 years.
But the rest of people, and Satan, and demons, are not cast
in until the 1,000 years are up. It is reserved for that final
day of judgment.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from
whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was
found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the
books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the
book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things
which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and
hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were
judged every man according to their works.

There are two deaths for those who deny Christ. The first is in our
flesh body. The second is our soul's death in Hell.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is
the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was
cast into the lake of fire.

-----
God has given us all of this information in advance because He does
not want any of us to perish, but all to come to repentance:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Peter+3%3A9&version=KJV

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men
count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing
that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

The truth is there. It's scattered about, but it all agrees. It is
God's intention for us to study the Bible, and not merely read it.
The more you study, the more it reveals. Subtlety, nuance, more and
more depth and information.

It is the only Book which reads you, rather than you reading it.

[Melzzzzz]

On 2017-10-25, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 4:33:15 PM UTC-4, Melzzzzz wrote:
>> On 2017-10-25, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 3:41:41 PM UTC-4, Melzzzzz wrote:
>> >> Rick you will die, so do I, no matter what. Death is natural.
>> > Our physical bodies will die, yes. But for those who are redeemed,
>> > they continue on in Heaven alive forever:
>>
>> Where? Heaven does not exists Rick. We flew into the sky and found
>> vacuum. No Heaven.
>
> There are three Heavens:
>
> 1) The air.
> 2) Space
> 3) Something beyond space.
>
> Paul teaches us about how he knew someone 14 years ago who was caught
> up to the third Heaven:

Paul beleived that Heaven is in the sky in layers. They didn't knew.
That is why it was important to invent story that Jesus flew bodily into
the sky...

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 10:17:35 PM UTC-4, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On 2017-10-25, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > There are three Heavens:
> >
> > 1) The air.
> > 2) Space
> > 3) Something beyond space.
> >
> > Paul teaches us about how he knew someone 14 years ago who was caught
> > up to the third Heaven:
>

> Paul beleived...[snip]

There are Bible verses which back up the understanding:

https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_151.cfm

It is clear from scripture, Old Testament and New, that there are
three Heavens as indicated above.

[Melzzzzz]

Rick, Bible is book of fiction of people who didn't knew much of
nature...

[Rick C. Hodgin]

You will be unable to find any fault with it, because it was
written by God's Holy Spirit working through men, and not men
themselves.

Trust God. Read the Bible and seek the truth. God will open
up your understanding if you do.

[Melzzzzz]

On 2017-10-26, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 10:31:31 PM UTC-4, Melzzzzz wrote:
>> On 2017-10-26, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 10:17:35 PM UTC-4, Melzzzzz wrote:
>> >> On 2017-10-25, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > There are three Heavens:
>> >> >
>> >> > 1) The air.
>> >> > 2) Space
>> >> > 3) Something beyond space.
>> >> >
>> >> > Paul teaches us about how he knew someone 14 years ago who was caught
>> >> > up to the third Heaven:
>> >>
>> >> Paul beleived...[snip]
>> >
>> > There are Bible verses which back up the understanding:
>> >
>> > https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_151.cfm
>> >
>> > It is clear from scripture, Old Testament and New, that there are
>> > three Heavens as indicated above.
>> >
>> Rick, Bible is book of fiction of people who didn't knew much of
>> nature...
>
> You will be unable to find any fault with it, because it was
> written by God's Holy Spirit working through men, and not men
> themselves.

Rick, it was not written by Holy Spirit, for sure...

>
> Trust God. Read the Bible and seek the truth. God will open
> up your understanding if you do.

I have read Bible, so I know what i am talking about...

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 11:20:00 PM UTC-4, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On 2017-10-26, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > You will be unable to find any fault with it, because it was
> > written by God's Holy Spirit working through men, and not men
> > themselves.
>
> Rick, it was not written by Holy Spirit, for sure...
>
> > Trust God. Read the Bible and seek the truth. God will open
> > up your understanding if you do.
>
> I have read Bible, so I know what i am talking about...

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Timothy+3%3A16-17&version=KJV

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is
profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction,
for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished
unto all good works.

My last post to you, Melzzzzzz. You are listening to the enemy
teaching you about God, the Bible. He is deceiving you by his many
lies. God only tells and teaches the truth. He never does otherwise.
The enemy only lies, and never tells the truth.

I'm sorry you lost your faith. God has not abandoned you. You
can still come back to Him.

I pray you do, Melzzzzzz. You are worthy, through Christ.

[Melzzzzz]

On 2017-10-26, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm sorry you lost your faith. God has not abandoned you. You
> can still come back to Him.

I have lost my faith and gain my sanity back...

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 12:48:49 AM UTC-4, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On 2017-10-26, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'm sorry you lost your faith. God has not abandoned you. You
> > can still come back to Him.
>
> I have lost my faith and gain my sanity back...

Here is how that works. It's the same reason addicts can't quit.
There are invisble-to-our-natural senses influences at work against
us. Evil spirits exerting into our flesh. These evil spirits have
an agenda. They want us in bondage ... to something, doesn't matter
what, so long as it keeps the person from Christ. Their goals are
to steer us wrongly, purposefully, to the grave, so we die unforgiven,
and damned.

God is greater than they are, and can break through every chain.
The person need only be seeking the truth, and ask God for help,
and follow-through with real effort. God makes the impossible become
possible.

The evil spirits want you on course toward destruction, so when you
take steps toward Christ, they exert increasing influence upon your
flesh to steer you like a horse back away from Him. They apply their
influence and pressure so you will acquiesce. But if you say no to
them, and yes to Christ, and call out to God to help you:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+4%3A7-10&version=KJV

He will. The enemy will leave. You'll receive and feel the breakthrough.
But the enemy will also regroup and come back with a stronger attack,
so you must be around other believers, reading the Bible, in prayer,
fasting, etc. It is the only way to fight a spiritual attacker, by
not turning to the flesh, but instead turning to spiritual weaponry:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=ephesians+6%3A10-18&version=KJV

You are incredibly valuable, Melzzzzzz. All people are more precious
than purest gold. It's why those evil spirits target you. But if
you don't want to be dominated, and do want the truth, and really
pursue it for real, God will make it possible.

Seek the truth, Melzzzzzz. It is the only way to be as you should be.

[Melzzzzz]

On 2017-10-26, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 12:48:49 AM UTC-4, Melzzzzz wrote:
>> On 2017-10-26, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm sorry you lost your faith. God has not abandoned you. You
>> > can still come back to Him.
>>
>> I have lost my faith and gain my sanity back...
>
> Here is how that works. It's the same reason addicts can't quit.
> There are invisble-to-our-natural senses influences at work against
> us. Evil spirits exerting into our flesh. These evil spirits have
> an agenda. They want us in bondage ... to something, doesn't matter
> what, so long as it keeps the person from Christ. Their goals are
> to steer us wrongly, purposefully, to the grave, so we die unforgiven,
> and damned.

See. You lost your sanity. Keep faith and continue to be insane; or: you
can recall how well is to be free from paranoid delusions.

[jb]

Le 25/10/2017 à 21:39, Rick C. Hodgin a écrit :

> -----
> I challenge you, JB ... read the Bible and try to find fault with
> Jesus Christ, His teaching, anything. You will not be able to, unless
> you distance yourself purposefully from the truth, and then in your
> own error you will be able to invent falsehoods and cast them upon the
> Bible, but they will only be fabrications. They won't be real.
>
> Your eternal future is at stake, JB. Please consider it with a real
> consideration.
>
> Thank you,
> Rick C. Hodgin
>

Rick,

I have read the bible and none of your gibber is in it. Nowhere is
written that your path is the only path. IT'S ALL IN YOUR HEAD.

We don't want to be saved the way you tell.

I don't want to be saved with your Bible. YOUR bible is full of
killings, aldultery and incest. "Game of Thrones" is a fairy tale
compared to it.

You know what, Rick ? Black Magic and the cult of the devils are the
only way to be saved, don't you know? Lucifer, litterally the maker of
light, is the one who brought light and knowledge onto the whole
universe. Black Magic is the way He want us to show our devotion to HIM.

THESE are the way to be freed ! These are the way to be saved ! Let us
make a black magic incantation unto you because I know for sure that
you, in your deepest heart and in your deeped soul, yes, you Rick, you
want to be saved, and if you don't listen to the message of Lucifer and
all the daemons, you will be anihiliated !

I challenge you, Rick ... learn and practice Black Magic and Lucifer
Cult. Try to find fault in it. You WILL NOT BE ABLE TO, unless you

distance yourself purposefully from the truth, and then in your own

error you will be able to invent falsehoods and cast them upon Black
Magic and the Cult of Lucifer but they will only be fabrications. They
won't be real. IT will be, is IS already in your head !

Your eternal future is at stake, Rick. Please consider it with a real
consideration.


As an osdever, you are already anihilated .
And... year, honestly, get a real culture, not a compulsive obsessional
disorder. Meanwhile, consult a good psychiatrist. You are in dire need
of a treatment.

[jb]

Rick, Gibber and gibber once more ? Do good unto you, your family and
your friends, stop it !

Le 25/10/2017 à 22:22, Rick C. Hodgin a écrit :
> On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 3:41:41 PM UTC-4, Melzzzzz wrote:
>> On 2017-10-25, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> If you can hear His message resonating within your own heart, deep
>>> inside (and if you do you will know), then rejoice! It is God Himself
>>> reaching out to save you from death. It is God guiding you to
>>> salvation from within.
>>
>> Rick you will die, so do I, no matter what. Death is natural.
>
> Our physical bodies will die, yes. But for those who are redeemed,
> they continue on in Heaven alive forever:
>
> https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/John%205%3A24
>
> 24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and
> believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and
> shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death
> unto life.
>

> ...

[jb]

Le 25/10/2017 à 22:51, Rick C. Hodgin a écrit :
>
> There are three Heavens:
>
> 1) The air.
> 2) Space
> 3) Something beyond space.

There are three heavens :
* a good beer with great friends
* osdev
* a newsgroup without Rick, preferably about osdev and good beers (and
good meals)

[jb]

First time I flew was when a horse halted and made me levitate a few
meters away.
Next was in a helicopter
Last was when I was under medication for a discal hernia.

[jb]

Rick,

> There are Bible verses which back up the understanding:
>
> https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_151.cfm
>
> It is clear from scripture, Old Testament and New, that there are
> three Heavens as indicated above.
>

It is clear that you read what you want to be your truth. It ain't ours.

[jb]

Rick, you won't be able to find fault in it because of your biased, ill
mind.
There is no holly thing in harrassing people !

Go back whee you belong (nowhere, I guess) and don't forget "God Hates
Us All"

[jb]

>
> Rick, it was not written by Holy Spirit, for sure...
>
>>
>> Trust God. Read the Bible and seek the truth. God will open
>> up your understanding if you do.
>
> I have read Bible, so I know what i am talking about...
>

There is something like holly spirit. It is made with malt, and ought to
be aged in woodden vine barrels.

[jb]

> My last post to you, Melzzzzzz. You are listening to the enemy
> teaching you about God, the Bible. He is deceiving you by his many
> lies. God only tells and teaches the truth. He never does otherwise.
> The enemy only lies, and never tells the truth.
>
> I'm sorry you lost your faith. God has not abandoned you. You
> can still come back to Him.
>
> I pray you do, Melzzzzzz. You are worthy, through Christ.
>
> Thank you,
> Rick C. Hodgin
>

Rick, YOU are the ennemy of God. You make people go away from him.

Shut your sh1tty mouth

(Oh this one was rude, sorry, but I meant it)

[jb]

Le 26/10/2017 à 06:48, Melzzzzz a écrit :
> On 2017-10-26, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm sorry you lost your faith. God has not abandoned you. You
>> can still come back to Him.
>
> I have lost my faith and gain my sanity back...
>

Yes, Melzzzz, this is about blind faith (Ricks's way) and self elevation
(most people' way).

Faith made me into a dumb sheep, maybe the dumbest of all sheep, and
loosing it forced me into being better.

jb

[jb]

Rick, shut up !

You are addicted to your stuff.
Let your bible rest where it is, clean your sould and mind of what you
know, breathe deeply, fight your want to open your bible, and think by
yourself, feel the world, and how it could be without zelots, without
people spreading hate like you actually do.

Then you will see holliness in everything, in every sentient being, see
how they cope with their condition and of they succeed in their way.
This is the real god you should follow. Not an overly modified history
printed onto dead wood fibers.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 1:39:16 PM UTC-4, jb wrote:
> [snip]

Jesus came to save men's souls from damnation, JB. It is important.
Because you have sin, this message is also for you.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+5%3A32&version=KJV
32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Jesus calls out to sinners, calling them to repentance, so He can
forgive them and give them His true desire for us: eternal life.
The message is given to all men, but not everyone will receive it.
If you can hear His call within your heart, rejoice and be exceedingly
glad, because it is God reaching out to save you from Hellfire:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+6%3A44&version=KJV
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me
draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

-----
Right now, today, you are already condemned. There is no merit system,
not points system, no "if I do enough good things I'll make it" system.
It is entirely our guilt, and it is entirely His free gift of salvation
that is being taught here.

All you have to do is come to Him with sincerity, ask Him to forgive
you, and He will.