AUP

[janet woods]

Hi All,

Apart from NCTE guidelines does anyone have any suggestions for an inclusive AUP, suitable for students & staff at a mixed, secondary & boarding school. All advice greatly appreciated.

Jan

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[Peter Lydon]

Because a school is a place of employment that confers certain rights on
staff, you should have separate AUPs for staff and students. For example,
schools can be vicariously liable for the email of staff and while it
doesn't have to monitor them (several legal issues there itself) it should
contain provision that show how the school acts if a complaint is made. The
school has to protect itself. At the same time, the AUP should not infringe
on the employment conditions of teachers.

Where the IT admin is not a teacher, there could be issues about the role
the IT admin plays in issues arising from staff use of computer facilities.
The AUP should should be crystal on this.

Some companies have extensive AUPs that cater for every (!) eventuality and
this is one approach that could be taken Alternatively, a set of principles
might suffice. Either way, it is important that staff have an input as they
are already in place prior to the AUP. Where a new member of staff is being
appointed, it is easier to make the AUP a condition of employment (though
the AUP should not be unreasonable).

Given that kids are walking around with computers more powerful that the
desktops of the 1990s, the use of these on school grounds should be included
in a student policy. So too should some provision regarding cyber bullying
even if it occurs off school ground. This might sound controversial to some
but is in fact obvious.

While students cannot veto an AUP or part thereof, it is a good idea to
involve them in the drafting. It's vital that students know what is an AUP
and what is in it. This needs to be visited every year - you cannot assume
that kids will read it and understand it. Tutor classes are a good way to do
this.

http://www.wesleycollege.ie/information/Downloads_Policies/Acceptable%20use%
20of%20Technology%20Policy%20Approved%20Oct%202005%20bookle.pdf

P

[Peter Lydon]

Hi Tony,

Taking each in turn..


On 29/03/2013 11:07, "Tony Healy" <tonyh...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you Peter for your very informative email on AUP and for your generosity in sharing the AUP.

I have two questions.
When you say "some provision should be made for cyber bullying even outside school" - how far can a school go in this regard if the matter is not directly related to school issues or school personnel?  The recent case in Limerick was clearly a school issue since a member of staff and the school itself was named/defamed on line even though the students uploaded the material outside school.  But if say, it was student on student outside school could the school take a stand then?
   This is or has the potential to be very complicated and how complicated depends on how obstreperous is the offending party. There is very little case law available and in Ireland, the courts are reluctant to get involved in school issues. School is not adult society and, I think thankfully, the courts here have not adopted the same approach as they do in the US with regard to the settlement of disputes that have their origin in schools.
    Above, I was referring to cyberbullying that has its origins in school. If a child is bullying another random person that has no connection with the school, this, in my opinion has nothing to do with the school. It’s not (arguably) the same as if a child in a school uniform is bullying another random child at, say, a bus stop.
    However, if a child is cyberbullying another child from the same school – the offending child is arguably only doing this because of the school connection i.e. The second child would not have been bullied save for the fact that they were in the school and, by virtue of that, was a target for the offender. It’s  little like the rule that says if one attacks a Garda in uniform the penalty is worse because one is only attacking the Garda because they are a Garda. There are two issues here – one is the liability of the offender; the other is the liability of the school for the actions of bullies.
    A parent (or child through their parent)  could decide to make life difficult for everyone by challenging a school action to discipline a child who bullied. As in all cases, it could go either way. But if you have a school policy (on anything) you should also have a declaration which parents sign to say they have read, understood and agreed to the school policies. A school should not admit a child whose parents do not sign up the school policies. Though here, you have to ensure the policies are reasonable otherwise a parent could challenge that they were denied admission to which they were entitled by virtue of a unreasonable policy!
    Policies should be considered very carefully because in a dispute, a court would essentially use the policies as the “law” relating to how a school managed an issue.
    So one should include in an AUP a provision that says that if one child cyberbullies another child in the school, the school reserves the right to act on the incident. This could be part of the (legally required) anti-bullying policy but it should also be in an AUP.
    

The second point you make is in relation to school staff and the rights of the employee.  Does your school have a separate policy as you say and if so can you share that or point us in direction of another source/example/advisor?
   I don’t have a complete electronic copy to hand but I’ll have a look for it. I don’t think there would be any issue sharing it. Either way, I am happy to share general principles if anyone likes. Best to email me off list rather than clog up cesi.

Again thank you for this.
   caveat – I’m not a lawyer just stupidly interested in law. This is a good read if you can get a copy – bookshops here should have it – costs about €30 – the professional version is €118 - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Litigation-Against-Schools-Implications-Management/dp/1904480330/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1364567573&sr=8-1-fkmr1

TonyH

Tony Healy,
27 Downside Heights,
Golflinks Road,
Skerries,
Co. Dublin.
(01) 849 0895
(087) 261 1280

20of%20Technology%20Policy%20Approved%20Oct%202005%20bookle.pdf <http://www.wesleycollege.ie/information/Downloads_Policies/Acceptable%20use%20of%20Technology%20Policy%20Approved%20Oct%202005%20bookle.pdf>

P


On 29/03/2013 08:52, "janet woods" <sopj...@me.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Apart from NCTE guidelines does anyone have any suggestions for an inclusive
> AUP, suitable for students & staff at a mixed, secondary & boarding school.
> All advice greatly appreciated.
>
> Jan
>
> Sent from my iPad

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[Peter Lydon]

Attached is a document I wrote in 2005 and recently edited. It’s not school specific (and not from mine).
I have deliberately left out a section on social media but schools should have a policy on how staff communicate with student generally in ways other than face-to-face.

Peter

On 29/03/2013 11:07, "Tony Healy" <tonyh...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you Peter for your very informative email on AUP and for your generosity in sharing the AUP.

I have two questions.
When you say "some provision should be made for cyber bullying even outside school" - how far can a school go in this regard if the matter is not directly related to school issues or school personnel?  The recent case in Limerick was clearly a school issue since a member of staff and the school itself was named/defamed on line even though the students uploaded the material outside school.  But if say, it was student on student outside school could the school take a stand then?

The second point you make is in relation to school staff and the rights of the employee.  Does your school have a separate policy as you say and if so can you share that or point us in direction of another source/example/advisor?

Again thank you for this.

TonyH

[John Heffernan]

If you want to reduce the word count 

try

Be mindful, act wisely, and learn from mistakes.

via

http://taffee.edublogs.org/2010/12/03/the-aup-of-the-future/

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[Claire Mc Hugh]

Great resource, thanks for sharing!

Sent from Claires iPhone

On 29 Mar 2013, at 11:07, Tony Healy <tonyh...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you Peter for your very informative email on AUP and for your generosity in sharing the AUP.

I have two questions.

When you say "some provision should be made for cyber bullying even outside school" - how far can a school go in this regard if the matter is not directly related to school issues or school personnel?  The recent case in Limerick was clearly a school issue since a member of staff and the school itself was named/defamed on line even though the students uploaded the material outside school.  But if say, it was student on student outside school could the school take a stand then?

The second point you make is in relation to school staff and the rights of the employee.  Does your school have a separate policy as you say and if so can you share that or point us in direction of another source/example/advisor?

Again thank you for this.

TonyH

Tony Healy,
27 Downside Heights,
Golflinks Road,
Skerries,
Co. Dublin.
(01) 849 0895
(087) 261 1280

On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Peter Lydon <peter...@iol.ie> wrote:

[Niall Cunningham]

Thank you.

[Peter Lydon]

All well and good until the lawyers get called (and there’s that digital native thing poking its head in again!)
P

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[janet woods]

Peter, 

Thank you so much for the advice & sharing resources. It really does help.

Jan

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• Virtualisation - VMware or HyperV? [1 Update]

 AUP

janet woods <sopj...@me.com> Mar 29 08:52AM  

Hi All,
 
Apart from NCTE guidelines does anyone have any suggestions for an inclusive AUP, suitable for students & staff at a mixed, secondary & boarding school. All advice greatly appreciated.
 
Jan
 
Sent from my iPad


 

Peter Lydon <peter...@iol.ie> Mar 29 09:28AM  

P
 
 


 

Tony Healy <tonyh...@gmail.com> Mar 29 11:07AM  

Thank you Peter for your very informative email on AUP and for your
generosity in sharing the AUP.
 
I have two questions.
When you say "some provision should be made for cyber bullying even outside
school" - how far can a school go in this regard if the matter is not
directly related to school issues or school personnel? The recent case in
Limerick was clearly a school issue since a member of staff and the school
itself was named/defamed on line even though the students uploaded the
material outside school. But if say, it was student on student outside
school could the school take a stand then?
 
The second point you make is in relation to school staff and the rights of
the employee. Does your school have a separate policy as you say and if so
can you share that or point us in direction of another
source/example/advisor?
 
Again thank you for this.
 
TonyH
 
 
 
 
 
Tony Healy,
27 Downside Heights,
Golflinks Road,
Skerries,
Co. Dublin.
(01) 849 0895
(087) 261 1280
 
 


 

Peter Lydon <peter...@iol.ie> Mar 29 02:34PM  

Hi Tony,
 
Taking each in turn..
 
 


 

Peter Lydon <peter...@iol.ie> Mar 29 09:03PM  

Attached is a document I wrote in 2005 and recently edited. It¹s not school
specific (and not from mine).
I have deliberately left out a section on social media but schools should
have a policy on how staff communicate with student generally in ways other
than face-to-face.
 
Peter
 
 


 

John Heffernan <jheff...@cesi.ie> Mar 29 10:50PM  

If you want to reduce the word count
 
try

*Be mindful, act wisely, and learn from mistakes.*
*
*
via
http://taffee.edublogs.org/2010/12/03/the-aup-of-the-future/
 


 

Claire Mc Hugh <clmc...@gmail.com> Mar 29 10:58PM  

Great resource, thanks for sharing!
 
Sent from Claires iPhone
 
 


 

Niall Cunningham <niallgcu...@gmail.com> Mar 29 11:13PM  

Thank you.


 

Peter Lydon <peter...@iol.ie> Mar 30 01:08AM  

All well and good until the lawyers get called (and there¹s that digital
native thing poking its head in again!)
P
 
 

>>>> that kids will read it and understand it. Tutor classes are a good way to
>>>> do
>>>> this.
 
http://www.wesleycollege.ie/information/Downloads_Policies/Acceptable%20use>>>>
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 Whole school VoIP solutions

Greg Ashe <g...@glenstal.org> Mar 29 10:42AM  

Anyone out there using VoIP for whole school telephony? If so what solution with what provider and are you satisfied?
 
Can NCTE broadband be used for VoIP under T&Cs?
 
Thanks and Happy Easter
 
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Stephen McCullagh <stevemc...@gmail.com> Mar 29 11:28AM  

Yes, we are using VOIP for the whole school with success.
 
I will respond offline if anyone would like to contact me directly with
details.
 
Kind regards,
Steve.
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"John Molohan" <johnm...@gmail.com> Mar 29 07:15PM  

Hi Steven,
 

 
I’d be interested in hearing what you’re using and how you find it if you could keep it on-list?
 

 
Thanks,
 

 
John
 

 
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Yes, we are using VOIP for the whole school with success.
 
I will respond offline if anyone would like to contact me directly with details.
 
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On 29 Mar 2013 10:42, "Greg Ashe" <g...@glenstal.org <mailto:g...@glenstal.org> > wrote:
 
Anyone out there using VoIP for whole school telephony? If so what solution with what provider and are you satisfied?
 
Can NCTE broadband be used for VoIP under T&Cs?
 
Thanks and Happy Easter
 
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 Virtualisation - VMware or HyperV?

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Hi Proxmox uses KVM and it comes with a nice web interface, but it will
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Peter,

Thank you so much for the advice & sharing resources. It really does help.

Jan

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[Mark O'Hagan]

Hi Janet,

It is all very well having an Acceptable Usage Policy, but how do you plan to police it? Do you have a mobile device management solution that you can use to monitor the devices ?

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