Sleep Apnea and diabetes
Evelyn
My doctor has been asking me to go for a sleep study for a long time now,
since many of my health issues (including diabetes) are reputed to be
related to sleep apnea. I kept putting it off because I just hate going
for tests of any kind, but finally I was urged to do it when my sister went
for one, and discovered she had sleep apnea. She found such great relief
from a CPAP machine that I was finally moved to check it out for myself,
fully expecting not to sleep at all, all night long on the night of the
study. I took a small amount of a tranquilizer I keep around just for the
times when I absolutely must sleep, so I did get through the night,
surprisingly able to sleep reasonably well....... so I thought.
When the report came, I was amazed to find out that I had it VERY bad, and
that I was disturbed as many as 50 times an hour during the night, and it
was no wonder at all that I was exhausted all the time!
For the second part of the study I had to return for another overnight, and
this time they fitted me for a mask and a CPAP machine along with all the
various sensors. Again I expected to lay awake all night, thinking I could
probably never sleep a wink with that harness and mask on my head and face.
To my astonishment, not only did I sleep, but I awoke feeling more rested
than I have in YEARS, even with the mask and strange apparatus. I now
can't wait to get my own machine.
Unfortunately it is a big rigamarole. You have to wait for the report,
which can take up to a week. Then you need to consult with your doctor
about the report, and he has to write you a scrip for the machine. Your
doctor has to fax his scrip for the CPAP to the company that makes them, and
only then will they send you your own machine. Meanwhile you are dying to
get a good nights sleep and counting the days.
Sleep apnea is associated with diabetes, high blood pressure and a host of
other things. I knew that I didn't sleep well, but I was unaware just how
badly I was sleeping. I always wake up feeling worse than when I went to
bed, not better. Until I went for the second half of the sleep test, I
never knew why that was.
Just recounting this little story for you all, in case anyone else is
procrastinating about getting checked for this. Go for it. If you
snore, or if your partner reports you stopping breathing in between snores,
or you wake up choking, or anything like that, you are most likely
experiencing some sleep interrupting events. The only way to know for
sure, is to go for a study. Don't hesitate.
--
Evelyn
"Even as a mother protects with her life her only child, So with a boundless
heart let one cherish all living beings." --Sutta Nipata 1.8
Paul L
"Evelyn" <evely...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Good for you, Evelyn. I'm sure you will feel so much better after
you get your own CPAP.
The list of physical problems that can crop up as a result of sleep apnea
is quite astonishing. My best friend was very afraid he had MS before
his neurological problems were diagnosed as being caused by sleep apnea.
Paul
Evelyn
"Paul L" <pa...@smamlesskbtrans.net> wrote in message
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Paul my study was done last thursday evening, and I am waiting for a
callback from the Dr. and my report which would indicate what exact amount
of pressure I will need and the size of the mask etc. They drag their feet
with this :-(
Evelyn
"Susan" <su...@nothanks.org> wrote in message
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> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Evelyn wrote:
>
>> Paul my study was done last thursday evening, and I am waiting for a
>> callback from the Dr. and my report which would indicate what exact
>> amount of pressure I will need and the size of the mask etc. They drag
>> their feet with this :-(
>>
>
> feature to avoid discomfort from dryness. Make sure to ask about it.
>
> Also, anyone I know who's successfully lost weight saw their apnea
> disappear, and no longer needed the CPAP.
>
> Hope you feel much better once you get it.
>
> Susan
Hi Susan,
I was having this problem back when I was still thin. Granted that many
people who experience it are overweight, but there absolutely are thin
people who have it too. Thanks for the kind wishes. I intend to get the
deluxe model with the filter, humidifier, extra long hose, you name it. I
don't want to regret not getting those things later on.
Julie Bove
>
> "Susan" <su...@nothanks.org> wrote in message
> news:7pa68t...@mid.individual.net...
>> x-no-archive: yes
>>
>> Evelyn wrote:
>>
>>> Paul my study was done last thursday evening, and I am waiting for a
>>> callback from the Dr. and my report which would indicate what exact
>>> amount of pressure I will need and the size of the mask etc. They drag
>>> their feet with this :-(
>>>
>>
>> Evelyn, everyone I know who's used one says you must have the humidifier
>> feature to avoid discomfort from dryness. Make sure to ask about it.
>>
>> Also, anyone I know who's successfully lost weight saw their apnea
>> disappear, and no longer needed the CPAP.
>>
>> Hope you feel much better once you get it.
>>
>> Susan
>
> Hi Susan,
>
> I was having this problem back when I was still thin. Granted that many
> people who experience it are overweight, but there absolutely are thin
> people who have it too. Thanks for the kind wishes. I intend to get
> the deluxe model with the filter, humidifier, extra long hose, you name
> it. I don't want to regret not getting those things later on.
When I was a kid and underweight, I would wake up and realize that I wasn't
breathing.
Gillian Murray
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Evelyn wrote:
>
>> Paul my study was done last thursday evening, and I am waiting for a
>> callback from the Dr. and my report which would indicate what exact
>> amount of pressure I will need and the size of the mask etc. They
>> drag their feet with this :-(
>>
>
> feature to avoid discomfort from dryness. Make sure to ask about it.
>
> Also, anyone I know who's successfully lost weight saw their apnea
> disappear, and no longer needed the CPAP.
>
> Hope you feel much better once you get it.
>
> Susan
CPAP machine for exactly one year today. I have probably used the
humidifier less than a dozen times. It is a nuisance to clean etc.
However, when the heat is on in the house, and the humidity is low, I am
most thankful for the option.
The "sleep" neurologist also uses the CPAP, and said he rarely use his
either.
WE both live in Florida, and climatic conditions change everywhere.
I have a mild sleep apnea, but it causes me to snore horrifically, so
neither DH ( the diabetic) or I get a good night's rest
I swear at it every night when I put it on, but it certainly does help.
Messes up the hair though LOL
Gillian
Peppermint Patootie
"Evelyn" <evely...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Susan" <su...@nothanks.org> wrote in message
> news:7pa68t...@mid.individual.net...
> > x-no-archive: yes
> >
> > Evelyn wrote:
> >
> >> Paul my study was done last thursday evening, and I am waiting for a
> >> callback from the Dr. and my report which would indicate what exact
> >> amount of pressure I will need and the size of the mask etc. They drag
> >> their feet with this :-(
> >>
> >
> > Evelyn, everyone I know who's used one says you must have the humidifier
> > feature to avoid discomfort from dryness. Make sure to ask about it.
> >
> > Also, anyone I know who's successfully lost weight saw their apnea
> > disappear, and no longer needed the CPAP.
> >
> > Hope you feel much better once you get it.
> >
> > Susan
>
> Hi Susan,
>
> I was having this problem back when I was still thin. Granted that many
> people who experience it are overweight, but there absolutely are thin
> people who have it too. Thanks for the kind wishes. I intend to get the
> deluxe model with the filter, humidifier, extra long hose, you name it. I
> don't want to regret not getting those things later on.
Apparently there are more than one cause of sleep apnea. My neighbor,
who is of average proportions (not a stick but not fat by any stretch of
the imagination) has sleep apnea. She had an operation, but it didn't
solve it.
PP, T2
sometimers
>
> "Susan" <su...@nothanks.org> wrote in message
> news:7pa68t...@mid.individual.net...
>> x-no-archive: yes
>>
>> Evelyn wrote:
>>
>>> Paul my study was done last thursday evening, and I am waiting for a
>>> callback from the Dr. and my report which would indicate what exact
>>> amount of pressure I will need and the size of the mask etc. They
>>> drag their feet with this :-(
>>>
>>
>> Evelyn, everyone I know who's used one says you must have the
>> humidifier feature to avoid discomfort from dryness. Make sure to ask
>> about it.
>>
>> Also, anyone I know who's successfully lost weight saw their apnea
>> disappear, and no longer needed the CPAP.
>>
>> Hope you feel much better once you get it.
>>
>> Susan
>
> Hi Susan,
>
> I was having this problem back when I was still thin. Granted that
> many people who experience it are overweight, but there absolutely are
> thin people who have it too. Thanks for the kind wishes. I intend
> to get the deluxe model with the filter, humidifier, extra long hose,
> you name it. I don't want to regret not getting those things later on.
Long hose, yes. 10 foot hoses are available and my personal
preference. If you sleep in a cool room like I do in the
wintertime you may need to make (or purchase) an insulating
cover for the hose, otherwise water can condense out of the
air stream and settle in a low spot awaking you to gurgling.
I struggled for years with a mask that covered only the nose
and eventually I got a full face mask and have stuck with it
ever since. Although many brands are available an example
is at:
http://comfortgelfull.respironics.com/rightfit.aspx
I urge you to get the full face mask, not one that covers
only the nose.
Medicare covers mask replacement every 3 months and headgear
2X a year. Check with your insurance carrier about replacement
intervals. Hoses, the CPAP machine itself, filters, literally
everything relevant, has an established replacement period.
Also critical is daily washing of the mask and headgear. A buildup
of skin oil destroys the seal. I found that Joy dish detergent
does the best job for me. YMMV. I take mine in the shower.
I understand there's a support group on usenet.
Julie Bove
"sometimers" <somet...@sometime.invalid.net> wrote in message
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You can get citrus wipes. I use those daily but I've been told that baby
wipes are cheaper and work just as well. I only wash mine with dish soap
weekly. I use Seventh Generation because it is unscented and unscented is
what I was told to use.
Chris Malcolm
> x-no-archive: yes
> Evelyn wrote:
>> Paul my study was done last thursday evening, and I am waiting for a
>> callback from the Dr. and my report which would indicate what exact
>> amount of pressure I will need and the size of the mask etc. They drag
>> their feet with this :-(
> Evelyn, everyone I know who's used one says you must have the humidifier
> feature to avoid discomfort from dryness. Make sure to ask about it.
> Also, anyone I know who's successfully lost weight saw their apnea
> disappear, and no longer needed the CPAP.
> Hope you feel much better once you get it.
My wife has discovered that the amount I snore is very closely tied to
my weight. Gain a few pounds and I snore more. Lose a few and I snore
less. My guess is that if I lost around a stone I'd completely cease
to snore. That guess is based on two factors. The first is that I only
started snoring when my weight went past that point decades ago. The
second is that it's roughly confirmed by the sensitivity of my snoring
rates to small gains and losses in weight.
--
Chris Malcolm
Chris Malcolm
> "Susan" <su...@nothanks.org> wrote in message
> news:7pa68t...@mid.individual.net...
>> x-no-archive: yes
>>
>> Evelyn wrote:
>>
>>> Paul my study was done last thursday evening, and I am waiting for a
>>> callback from the Dr. and my report which would indicate what exact
>>> amount of pressure I will need and the size of the mask etc. They drag
>>> their feet with this :-(
>>>
>>
>> Evelyn, everyone I know who's used one says you must have the humidifier
>> feature to avoid discomfort from dryness. Make sure to ask about it.
>>
>> Also, anyone I know who's successfully lost weight saw their apnea
>> disappear, and no longer needed the CPAP.
>>
>> Hope you feel much better once you get it.
>>
>> Susan
> Hi Susan,
> I was having this problem back when I was still thin. Granted that many
> people who experience it are overweight, but there absolutely are thin
> people who have it too. Thanks for the kind wishes. I intend to get the
> deluxe model with the filter, humidifier, extra long hose, you name it. I
> don't want to regret not getting those things later on.
The relationship of weight to sleep apnea isn't necessarily associated
with what people regards as the threshold between being fat and being
thin. Everyone calls me thin today. My BMI is 23.3, which is slightly
under the middle of the "healthy" weight range. But I'm a bit thinner
than that suggests because I'm stronger than usual for my size and
weight. And I clearly have some pinchable extra flab round the waist
that could go, and no doubt also some internal abdomimal adipose
tissue behind that. That's why I think I'm a bit overweight and would
be healtghier if thinner. Even my doc advises me that at my age
(67) I ought to be a bit fatter.
But I snore and have at least mild sleep apnea. I didn't when I was
younger and thinner. In those days people called me very thin. In my
case I started snoring once I'd put on enough fat to go from being
very thin to being just thin. And if I lose just a few pounds my wife
notices how much less I snore. She also notices that I'm a bit
thinner.
--
Chris Malcolm
Ozlover
sometimers wrote:
> I understand there's a support group on usenet.
And indeed there is: alt.support.sleep-disorder
While it says "sleep-disorder", i.e. any sleep-disorder, it's mainly a
sleep-apnea (and hence CPAP, etc) group. As far as I can tell, it's a
good and useful group for people with sleep-apnea.
--
Frank Slootweg,
T2, 59+4y, Diag 4/2000, weightloss (81->68 kg), diet, 2 * 0.5 mg Repaglinide
W. Baker
: > Evelyn wrote:
: --
: Chris Malcolm
just a question here. do all those snorers with sleep apnea only sleepp
on their backs! I, generally donot, except during the period whan I had
the broken arm and coul donly sleep tht way.. I find it gives me
vigoris(sp?) dreams, not necessarily bad, just very exciting and active.
Wendy
Evelyn
"Ozlover" <th...@ddress.is.invalid> wrote in message
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Thanks. I just subscribed and will check in there from time to time.
Evelyn
"W. Baker" <wba...@panix.com> wrote in message
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I am unable to sleep on my back as it causes pain. I slept on my side for
both sleep studies.
Julie Bove
For my study I was told I could only sleep on my back.
Evelyn
"Julie Bove" <juli...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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In the report it said that I shouldn't sleep on my back and should even
consider attaching a tennis ball to my pajamas so I wouldn't do that. No
danger, my lower back aches when I lie on my back.
Julie Bove
"Ozlover" <th...@ddress.is.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> sometimers wrote:
>
>> I understand there's a support group on usenet.
>
> And indeed there is: alt.support.sleep-disorder
>
> While it says "sleep-disorder", i.e. any sleep-disorder, it's mainly a
> sleep-apnea (and hence CPAP, etc) group. As far as I can tell, it's a
> good and useful group for people with sleep-apnea.
Few people post there.
Evelyn
I just put up one post, and nobody has replied.
Julie Bove
>
> "Julie Bove" <juli...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Ozlover" <th...@ddress.is.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:7pcotu...@mid.individual.net...
>>> Evelyn,
>>>
>>> sometimers wrote:
>>>
>>>> I understand there's a support group on usenet.
>>>
>>> And indeed there is: alt.support.sleep-disorder
>>>
>>> While it says "sleep-disorder", i.e. any sleep-disorder, it's mainly a
>>> sleep-apnea (and hence CPAP, etc) group. As far as I can tell, it's a
>>> good and useful group for people with sleep-apnea.
>>
>> Few people post there.
>
>
> I just put up one post, and nobody has replied.
Might be a while till they do. I quit going there.
sometimers
I slept on both sides and my back. The number of apneas without
a CPAP were much greater sleeping on my left than my right.
Personally I think such information can be beneficial.
sometimers
Easily remedied.
Nick Cramer
> [ . . . ]
> just a question here. do all those snorers with sleep apnea only sleepp
> on their backs! I, generally donot, except during the period whan I had
> the broken arm and coul donly sleep tht way.. I find it gives me
> vigoris(sp?) dreams, not necessarily bad, just very exciting and active.
I generally fall asleep on my back, but as soon as I enter REM (dreaming)
sleep, I turn on my left side. I wake briefly about every 1-1/2 hours and
turn on the other side. My dreams are always interesting and rarely
unpleasant. I sleep nine to ten hours a night.
--
Nick, KI6VAV. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their
families: https://www.woundedwarriorproject.org/ Thank a Veteran!
Support Our Troops: http://anymarine.com/ You are not forgotten.
Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ USMC 1365061
Gillian Murray
I have always slept on my side, and have snored for several years. I
gather it is something to do with a soft palate, which progresses as we
age.
Many years ago, when my kids were young, and I was not at all
overweight, my husband taped me snoring...much to the delight of the
children. It IS a long time ago, as the younger child is 45 today.
Gillian
Ozlover
As far as I can tell, the *quality* is good, and newcomers are
welcomed and get good info and support. IMO, that is much more important
than the number of posters or/and the number of posts.
Anyway, Evelyn subscribed, posted and (IMO) got good responses.
--
Frank Slootweg
Evelyn
"Ozlover" <th...@ddress.is.invalid> wrote in message
I received excellent suggestions!
Nicky
wrote:
>When the report came, I was amazed to find out that I had it VERY bad, and
>that I was disturbed as many as 50 times an hour during the night, and it
>was no wonder at all that I was exhausted all the time!
How cool that you've found the answer now! I hope they're fast with
getting you your mask!
Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 150ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.2% BMI 26
Evelyn
"Nicky" <ukc802...@btconnect.com> wrote in message
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Nicky, I won't even get it till next Monday. Very annoying, but that is
how it is due to the holiday.
Julie Bove
>
> "Nicky" <ukc802...@btconnect.com> wrote in message
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>> On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 04:39:04 -0500, "Evelyn" <evely...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>When the report came, I was amazed to find out that I had it VERY bad,
>>>and
>>>that I was disturbed as many as 50 times an hour during the night, and it
>>>was no wonder at all that I was exhausted all the time!
>>
>> How cool that you've found the answer now! I hope they're fast with
>> getting you your mask!
>>
>> Nicky.
>> T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
>> D&E, 150ug thyroxine
>> Last A1c 5.2% BMI 26
>
>
> Nicky, I won't even get it till next Monday. Very annoying, but that is
> how it is due to the holiday.
I'm still waiting on my insulin and needles. The Dr. upped my dose of
insulin about two weeks ago. I called and left a message (couldn't get
through to anyone) that they needed to re-write the prescription and
hopefully for higher than I need so I can make future adjustments if needed.
Nothing.
Pharmacy faxed them and also asked about my needles because the prescription
was not written correctly. I was having to refill and pay too often because
of the way it was written.
Yesterday I got the prescription for the insulin in the mail. For the exact
dose I need now. Yes, there might be a pharmacy open on Christmas but not
the one I use any more. So I have to wait till tomorrow to take it in. I
think they close early and by the time I get back into town they will likely
not be open. So I will have to pick it up on Sunday. Grrr...
Evelyn
What a shame. Hope it goes smoothly for you. Maybe you can get it today,
(Saturday)?
Nicky
wrote:
>
>"Nicky" <ukc802...@btconnect.com> wrote in message
>news:qb19j5d01nt7fdp3c...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 04:39:04 -0500, "Evelyn" <evely...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>When the report came, I was amazed to find out that I had it VERY bad, and
>>>that I was disturbed as many as 50 times an hour during the night, and it
>>>was no wonder at all that I was exhausted all the time!
>>
>> How cool that you've found the answer now! I hope they're fast with
>> getting you your mask!
>
>
>Nicky, I won't even get it till next Monday. Very annoying, but that is
>how it is due to the holiday.
Monday after the New Year, or Monday the day after tomorrow? I'm
hoping the latter, but it's a public holiday here...
W. Baker
: On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:56:47 -0500, "Evelyn" <evely...@gmail.com>
: wrote:
: Nicky.
What holiday? I thought Boxing day wasa the 26th or do you get the Monday
because it is on a Saturday?
Wendy-a bit confused.
Julie Bove
Nope. We are not home on Saturdays and insulin has to be refrigerated. If
my husband were not home I could have at least dropped the prescription off
today. But he was and he wasn't going to stop anywhere, so that didn't
happen. Will have to try tomorrow. I will just have to insist because most
likely he will be with us again. *sigh*
Evelyn
I am speaking of tomorrow, December 28th. I can hardly wait.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> Hi All,
>
> My doctor has been asking me to go for a sleep study for a long time now,
> since many of my health issues (including diabetes) are reputed to be
> related to sleep apnea. I kept putting it off because I just hate going
> for tests of any kind, but finally I was urged to do it when my sister went
> for one, and discovered she had sleep apnea. She found such great relief
> from a CPAP machine that I was finally moved to check it out for myself,
> fully expecting not to sleep at all, all night long on the night of the
> study. I took a small amount of a tranquilizer I keep around just for the
> times when I absolutely must sleep, so I did get through the night,
> surprisingly able to sleep reasonably well....... so I thought.
>
> When the report came, I was amazed to find out that I had it VERY bad, and
> that I was disturbed as many as 50 times an hour during the night, and it
> was no wonder at all that I was exhausted all the time!
>
> this time they fitted me for a mask and a CPAP machine along with all the
> various sensors. Again I expected to lay awake all night, thinking I could
> probably never sleep a wink with that harness and mask on my head and face.
>
> To my astonishment, not only did I sleep, but I awoke feeling more rested
> than I have in YEARS, even with the mask and strange apparatus. I now
> can't wait to get my own machine.
>
> Unfortunately it is a big rigamarole. You have to wait for the report,
> which can take up to a week. Then you need to consult with your doctor
> about the report, and he has to write you a scrip for the machine. Your
> doctor has to fax his scrip for the CPAP to the company that makes them, and
> only then will they send you your own machine. Meanwhile you are dying to
> get a good nights sleep and counting the days.
>
> Sleep apnea is associated with diabetes, high blood pressure and a host of
> other things. I knew that I didn't sleep well, but I was unaware just how
> badly I was sleeping. I always wake up feeling worse than when I went to
> bed, not better. Until I went for the second half of the sleep test, I
> never knew why that was.
<snip>
The only known cure is to lose the visceral adiposity (VAT).
VAT is lost by eating the right amount (32 oz) per day:
> "Even as a mother protects with her life her only child, So with a boundless
> heart let one cherish all living beings." --Sutta Nipata 1.8
"For GOD so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that
whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life." --
LORD Jesus Christ (Jn3:16)
Amen.
There is pure joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
May GOD continue to save the souls of you, who are our neighbors, by
giving you a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel 11:19-20 and 36:26)
so that you would be born again of water and Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5)
so that you would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/63d9553d4c7b8f7b?
Nicky
<wba...@panix.com> wrote:
>What holiday? I thought Boxing day wasa the 26th or do you get the Monday
>because it is on a Saturday?
Yes, exactly - they move the Bank Holiday because it falls on a
weekend which most people would get off anyway.
James Howard
diabetes, and increased visceral fat.
MU
> There is support that increased testosterone may cause sleep apnea,
> diabetes, and increased visceral fat.
And babies.
ver...@gefinden.com
VAT is lost by eating the right amount (32 oz) per day:
"
Vat is a normal part of all humans. It plays an important role in
normal metabolism. As with many things it is when it is in excess that
problems can occur.
The most effective approach to reducing abnormal vat is exercise and
calorie restriction with a nutritious dietary plan until normal weight
range is reached. The former first and selectively helps without the
latter, both work in concert for best results.
Any claim that diabetes has a "cure" can be ignored. The beta cell loss
which underlies frank type 2 diabetes is not reversed by any method, let
alone "cuered". One can with best methods reverse the symptoms but not
the underlying disorder.
Tiger Lily
> There is support that increased testosterone may cause sleep apnea,
> diabetes, and increased visceral fat.
>
>
>
hormone levels all 'normal' for a gal of my age
Type 1 and sleep apnea................. the structure of your mouth
makes a huge difference
k
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
>
> > The only known cure is to lose the visceral adiposity (VAT).
> >
> > VAT is lost by eating the right amount (32 oz) per day:
> >
>
> Vat is a normal part of all humans.
Incorrect.
It remains an abnormal (harmful) part of many humans.
> It plays an important role in
> normal metabolism.
Incorrect.
It plays no role in normal metabolism.
> As with many things it is when it is in excess that
> problems can occur.
Problems start with any amount of VAT because it remains pathological.
The cause of VAT is not eating the right amount of daily food.
Accordingly, the only way to lose the VAT is to eat the right amount
of daily food.
Bottom line concerning your feigned issues with the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ba8379f6c69b4310?
<><
There is pure joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
Being hungrier truly is healthier especially for diabetics and other
heart disease patients:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
ver...@gefinden.com
"Incorrect.
It remains an abnormal (harmful) part of many humans."
"Many" does not save you from not having kept up on the research in this
area. It is exactly as stated, happy to entertain any standard review
of the subject you want to provide which speaks directly to the role of
vat in all people.
> It plays an important role in
> normal metabolism.
"Incorrect.
It plays no role in normal metabolism."
As above.
> As with many things it is when it is in excess that
> problems can occur.
"Problems start with any amount of VAT because it remains pathological."
As above, in this case its role in normal pathology.
"The cause of VAT is not eating the right amount of daily food."
Inexact, this would include anorexia. Excessive calorie consumption is
the cause when it enters into abnormal levels. Any amount, even that
the good doctor eats, will and does this instant maintain vat.
"Accordingly, the only way to lose the VAT is to eat the right amount of
daily food."
No, as above. Exercise selectevly and before any substantual weight
loss occurs reduces vat when in excess. What one consumes,
nutritionally speaking, has an impact also. All three factors is the
optimun approach.
If up on the literature, one would not have to repeat this for you. I
have in past provided the exact information and sorces
of it to you, your failure to keep up is in some sense willful on your
part.
But lack of scientific information is not at the root of your opinion,
now is it?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> a sockpuppet wrote:
>
>>> Vat is a normal part of all humans.
>>
>>"Incorrect.
>>
>>It remains an abnormal (harmful) part of many humans."
>
>"Many" does not save you from not having kept up on the research in this
>area. It is exactly as stated, happy to entertain any standard review
>of the subject you want to provide which speaks directly to the role of
>vat in all people.
"Recent studies suggest that inflammation of visceral adipose tissue,
ectopic fat deposition and adipose tissue dysfunction mediate insulin
resistance in human obesity independently of total body fat mass."
Source:
Curr Opin Lipidol. 2009 Nov 12. [Epub ahead of print]
PubMed link:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19915462
Problems start with any amount of VAT because it remains pathological.
The cause of VAT is not eating the right amount of daily food.
Accordingly, the only way to lose the VAT is to eat the right amount
of daily food.
Bottom line concerning your feigned issues with the 2PD-OMER Approach:
ver...@gefinden.com
>>
>>"Incorrect.
>>
>>It remains an abnormal (harmful) part of many humans."
>
>"Many" does not save you from not having kept up on the research in
this
>area. It is exactly as stated, happy to entertain any standard review
>of the subject you want to provide which speaks directly to the role of
>vat in all people.
""Recent studies suggest that inflammation of visceral adipose tissue,
ectopic fat deposition and adipose tissue dysfunction mediate insulin
resistance in human obesity independently of total body fat mass.""
Smile, exactly what I asked you not do. You were to show us about the
role of vat in all people. This kind of above is common but do not
speak to the presence, or not, of vat as a normal part of all people.
Surprising you did not choose to use those references provided you
before which speak directly to the question. And which show that in all
people vat is present and provides normal metabolic function when not in
excess. The "dysfunction" is relative to exactly what? Why normal vat
function of course.
Happy to entertain a response to the question as presented. Sad to be
confirmed in my observation that you are not current on the literature
and remain so because it would refute your opinions, held for
non-scientific purposes.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>a sockpuppet wrote:
>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>> a sockpuppet wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Incorrect.
>>>>
>>>>It remains an abnormal (harmful) part of many humans."
>>>
>>>"Many" does not save you from not having kept up on the research in this
>>>area. It is exactly as stated, happy to entertain any standard review
>>>of the subject you want to provide which speaks directly to the role of
>>>vat in all people.
>>
>>"Recent studies suggest that inflammation of visceral adipose tissue,
>>ectopic fat deposition and adipose tissue dysfunction mediate insulin
>>resistance in human obesity independently of total body fat mass."
>>
>>
>>Curr Opin Lipidol. 2009 Nov 12. [Epub ahead of print]
>>
>>PubMed link:
>>
>>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19915462
>
This physician's smile is to your chagrin.
>... exactly what I asked you not do.
Incorrect.
Exactly what you were hoping this physician would not be able to do.
> You were to show us about the
> role of vat in all people.
Indeed, that which is written in generalities as this cited article
has applicability to all people and not just diabetics as underscored
by the additional fact that this article is not from a medical journal
specializing in diabetes.
Thus, problems start with any amount of VAT because it remains
pathological.
The cause of VAT is not eating the right amount of daily food.
Accordingly, the only way to lose the VAT is to eat the right amount
of daily food:
Ken
Board-certified Spamming Dickhead
ver...@gefinden.com
>>>>
>>>>"Incorrect.
>>>>
>>>>It remains an abnormal (harmful) part of many humans."
>>>
>>>"Many" does not save you from not having kept up on the research in
this
>>>area. It is exactly as stated, happy to entertain any standard
review
>>>of the subject you want to provide which speaks directly to the role
of
>>>vat in all people.
>>
>>"Recent studies suggest that inflammation of visceral adipose tissue,
>>ectopic fat deposition and adipose tissue dysfunction mediate insulin
>>resistance in human obesity independently of total body fat mass."
>
"This physician's smile is to your chagrin."
>... exactly what I asked you not do.
"Incorrect.
Exactly what you were hoping this physician would not be able to do."
Hope, no, only further confirmation of how you have not remained current
on the literature. Observing still that being handicapped by same
leaves one vulnerable as to unsupported assertions.
> You were to show us about the
> role of vat in all people.
"Indeed, that which is written in generalities as this cited article has
applicability to all people and not just diabetics as underscored by the
additional fact that this article is not from a medical journal
specializing in diabetes.
Thus, problems start with any amount of VAT because it remains
pathological."
This is among the more lame arguments offered, but still obfuscation as
the game.
To put it another way, it is made of such rhetorical rubber that you
wish to stretch it to cover your lack of information in this area.
The question was not diabetes specific in any way.
So, it remains as before, you fail to provide information as to the
function of vat in all people, as requested. To mention the general
case of pathology as seen in the use of "inflammation" and "dysfunction
in your bit does not serve.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>a sockpuppet wrote:
>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>> a sockpuppet wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Incorrect.
>>>>
>>>>It remains an abnormal (harmful) part of many humans."
>>>
>>>"Many" does not save you from not having kept up on the research in this
>>>area. It is exactly as stated, happy to entertain any standard review
>>>of the subject you want to provide which speaks directly to the role of
>>>vat in all people.
>>
>>"Recent studies suggest that inflammation of visceral adipose tissue,
>>ectopic fat deposition and adipose tissue dysfunction mediate insulin
>>resistance in human obesity independently of total body fat mass."
>>
>>
>>Curr Opin Lipidol. 2009 Nov 12. [Epub ahead of print]
>>
>>PubMed link:
>>
>>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19915462
>
>Smile ...
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/47c7bf2798ba71d1?
This physician's smile is to your chagrin.
>... exactly what I asked you not do.
Incorrect.
Exactly what you were hoping this physician would not be able to do.
> You were to show us about the
> role of vat in all people.
Indeed, that which is written in generalities as this cited article
has applicability to all people and not just diabetics as underscored
by the additional fact that this article is not from a medical journal
specializing in diabetes.
Thus, problems start with any amount of VAT because it remains
pathological.
The cause of VAT is not eating the right amount of daily food.
Accordingly, the only way to lose the VAT is to eat the right amount
of daily food:
Ken
Board-certified Spamming Fundy Dickhead
ver...@gefinden.com
Vat is normal to all people. Happy to entertain any standard
information which discusses the role of vat in all people. Rhtorical
tap dancing and continued displays of ignorance of the literature
notwithstanding.
You have in past been given references discussing the normal role of
vat. If you wish, such information can be given once again.
Giving examples of pathological function of vat when it is in excess
does not make it not normal, just as pathology of the heart in some does
not mean a normal heart doesn't exist. This was the failure of your
first, and failed, attempt.
Merely pointing to a web address of previous posts will be taken as a
failure and direct admission of continued failure and confession of
ignorance of the literature.
oldb...@pookmail.com
Only to the British.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> > other heart disease patients:
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
>
> street there?
The homeless in Ethiopia do not as a general rule have either type-2
diabetes or sleep apnea.
Why don't you start being hungrier (healthier) by eating the right
amount (32 oz/day) and give your excess to the homeless in Ethiopia so
that they too would become hungrier (healthier) and not die from
starvation?
Bottom line concerning you, H.O.:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/18b6cea52f0504a3?
There is pure joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
Again, may GOD give you, H.O., a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel
11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be born again of water and
Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5) so that you would come to trust the truth,
Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier especially for diabetics and
other heart disease patients:
Happy Oyster
<lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>Happy Oyster wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >
>> > Be hungrier, which is truly healthier especially for diabetics and
>> > other heart disease patients:
>> >
>> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
>>
>> Why don't you bloody liar go to Ethiopia and tell your lies to the people on the
>> street there?
>
>The homeless in Ethiopia do not as a general rule have either type-2
>diabetes or sleep apnea.
That is bullshit. I did not say anything about HOMELESS PEOPLE in Ethiopia!
>Why don't you start being hungrier
That is an idiotic question.
.
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Jimmy Alpha
http://www.amazon.com/Be-Hungry-Gentile-Disciple-ebook/dp/B002IYFASS
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> Happy Oyster wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>> Be hungrier, which is truly healthier especially for diabetics and
>>> other heart disease patients:
>>>
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
>> Why don't you bloody liar go to Ethiopia and tell your lies to the people on the
>> street there?
>
> The homeless in Ethiopia do not as a general rule have either type-2
> diabetes or sleep apnea.
Source for that tidbit please... Ok, we *all* know you made it up
without and research. Some report it's a habit of yours not being up to
date. lol
> Why don't you start being hungrier (healthier) by eating the right
> amount (32 oz/day) and give your excess to the homeless in Ethiopia so
> that they too would become hungrier (healthier) and not die from
> starvation?
I could take some of them leftovers, I don't think I eat 2 pounds a day,
so I'm feeling short changed! Oh, please no leftover corn porridge.
Jimmy Alpha
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
> >Happy Oyster wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
> >> >
> >> > Be hungrier, which is truly healthier especially for diabetics and
> >> > other heart disease patients:
> >> >
> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
> >>
> >> street** there?
**emphasis** added
> >The homeless in Ethiopia do not as a general rule have either type-2
> >diabetes or sleep apnea.
>
> That is bullshit. I did not say anything about HOMELESS PEOPLE in Ethiopia!
See **emphasis** above.
Again, the homeless in Ethiopia do not as a general rule have either
type-2 diabetes or sleep apnea.
Now, why don't you start being hungrier (healthier) by eating the
right amount (32 oz/day) and give your excess to the homeless in
Ethiopia so that they too would become hungrier (healthier) and not
die from starvation?
Bottom line concerning you, H.O.:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/18b6cea52f0504a3?
There is pure joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
Again, may GOD give you, H.O., a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel
11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be born again of water and
Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5) so that you would come to trust the truth,
Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier especially for diabetics and
other heart disease patients:
Happy Oyster
<lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>Happy Oyster wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
>> >Happy Oyster wrote:
>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
>> >> >
>> >> > Be hungrier, which is truly healthier especially for diabetics and
>> >> > other heart disease patients:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
>> >>
>> >> Why don't you bloody liar go to Ethiopia and tell your lies to **the people on the
>> >> street** there?
>
>**emphasis** added
>
>> >The homeless in Ethiopia do not as a general rule have either type-2
>> >diabetes or sleep apnea.
>>
>> That is bullshit. I did not say anything about HOMELESS PEOPLE in Ethiopia!
>
>See **emphasis** above.
>
>Again, the homeless in Ethiopia do not as a general rule have either
>type-2 diabetes or sleep apnea.
That is insane bullshit.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/919bac965960728f?
> >Happy Oyster wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
> >> >
> >> > Be hungrier, which is truly healthier especially for diabetics and
> >> > other heart disease patients:
> >> >
> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
> >>
> >> Why don't you bloody liar go to Ethiopia and tell your lies to **the people on the
> >> street** there?
**emphasis** added
> >The homeless in Ethiopia do not as a general rule have either type-2
> >diabetes or sleep apnea.
>
> That is bullshit. I did not say anything about HOMELESS PEOPLE in Ethiopia!
See **emphasis** above.
Again, the homeless in Ethiopia do not as a general rule have either
type-2 diabetes or sleep apnea.
Now, why don't you start being hungrier (healthier) by eating the
right amount (32 oz/day) and give your excess to the homeless in
Ethiopia so that they too would become hungrier (healthier) and not
die from starvation?
Bottom line concerning you, H.O.:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/18b6cea52f0504a3?
There is pure joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
Again, may GOD give you, H.O., a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel
11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be born again of water and
Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5) so that you would come to trust the truth,
Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier especially for diabetics and
other heart disease patients:
Happy Oyster
<disc...@T3WiJ.com> wrote:
>Again, the homeless in Ethiopia do not as a general rule have either
>type-2 diabetes or sleep apnea.
That is insane bullshit.
Jan Drew
> On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 02:18:11 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>
> >Again, the homeless in Ethiopia do not as a general rule have either
> >type-2 diabetes or sleep apnea.
>
> That is insane bullshit.
Results 1 - 10 of about 589,000 for Happy Oyster bullshit. (0.28
seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of about 192,000 for Happy Oyster insane bullshit.
(0.38 seconds)
Stop that repeating the repeated, repeatedly.
Helen Back
> Hi All,
>
> My doctor has been asking me to go for a sleep study for a long time now,
> since many of my health issues (including diabetes) are reputed to be
> related to sleep apnea. I kept putting it off because I just hate going
> for tests of any kind, but finally I was urged to do it when my sister went
> for one, and discovered she had sleep apnea. She found such great relief
> from a CPAP machine that I was finally moved to check it out for myself,
> fully expecting not to sleep at all, all night long on the night of the
> study. I took a small amount of a tranquilizer I keep around just for the
> times when I absolutely must sleep, so I did get through the night,
> surprisingly able to sleep reasonably well....... so I thought.
>
> When the report came, I was amazed to find out that I had it VERY bad, and
> that I was disturbed as many as 50 times an hour during the night, and it
> was no wonder at all that I was exhausted all the time!
>
> For the second part of the study I had to return for another overnight, and
> this time they fitted me for a mask and a CPAP machine along with all the
> various sensors. Again I expected to lay awake all night, thinking I could
> probably never sleep a wink with that harness and mask on my head and face.
>
> To my astonishment, not only did I sleep, but I awoke feeling more rested
> than I have in YEARS, even with the mask and strange apparatus. I now
> can't wait to get my own machine.
>
> Unfortunately it is a big rigamarole. You have to wait for the report,
> which can take up to a week. Then you need to consult with your doctor
> about the report, and he has to write you a scrip for the machine. Your
> doctor has to fax his scrip for the CPAP to the company that makes them, and
> only then will they send you your own machine. Meanwhile you are dying to
> get a good nights sleep and counting the days.
>
> Sleep apnea is associated with diabetes, high blood pressure and a host of
> other things. I knew that I didn't sleep well, but I was unaware just how
> badly I was sleeping. I always wake up feeling worse than when I went to
> bed, not better. Until I went for the second half of the sleep test, I
> never knew why that was.
>
> Just recounting this little story for you all, in case anyone else is
> procrastinating about getting checked for this. Go for it. If you
> snore, or if your partner reports you stopping breathing in between snores,
> or you wake up choking, or anything like that, you are most likely
> experiencing some sleep interrupting events. The only way to know for
> sure, is to go for a study. Don't hesitate.
>
> --
>
> Evelyn
>
> "Even as a mother protects with her life her only child, So with a boundless
> heart let one cherish all living beings." --Sutta Nipata 1.8
Hi Evelyn,
How is your CPAP?? Feeling a difference already??
I recall my ex-partner who had high BP and his doctor not being able
to find any underlying reason why. I was worried about my ex as he
did tend to fall asleep alot in the day and had confided to me that
he
almost fell asleep at the wheel of his car on long distance journeys.
I also remembered, when we lived together, that he snored quite
loudly
and would occasionally appear to stop breathing in mid snore. I
would
actually poke him to get him to inhale!
Anyway, I Googled!! I typed in "anomalous high blood pressure" and
guess what came up? Tons of info suggesting sleep apnea. I informed
him straight away and within a couple of weeks he was in a sleep
clinic and got diagnosed with the condition.
He has never looked back. His CPAP machine has given him back energy
and wakefulness that he hasnt experienced in years. And thank
goodness for Google!
Evelyn
"Helen Back" <tracy.the...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:c9e33cb9-cd2c-4a22...@b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
That has been my experience as well. I am feeling so much more energy and
so much more rested these days! I bought a new blood pressure machine for
home use, and have been amazed to see how much my blood pressure has come
down as well!