{ASSD} Story Codes for authors.
Uther Pendragon
Frequently Asked Questions
about
ABBREVIATED STORY CODES IN A.S.S.
Authors' version
v 6.1 -- August, 2002
Q How do I code a story I have written so as to communicate
most accurately with potential readers?
Changes
Nothing since May.
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Q1 What does "story code" mean?
A1 Story codes are a group of symbols on the subject line of
stories posted in alt.sex.stories and alt.sex.stories.moderated
and several closely-related newsgroups. They communicate to some
of the readers some of the contents of the story. Generally,
codes are intended to address the download decisions of many
potential readers. Some warn of content that some readers want
to avoid. Some advertise content that some readers want to
download. Most codes do both.
Q2 How do I use this FAQ?
A2 If you are new to coding, you should probably browse through
it once. You should learn the codes used in the area in which
you want to write (we call that your subgenre). For a new story,
and especially for a new subgenre, you can check the section
involved. Otherwise, check out the "changes" section at the top
of each posting.
You should know the codes for sex, age, and number in part 3.0
below. You should be aware of the hot codes in part 3.1. And
you should know the codes of your own subgenre. You needn't
necessarily know the code subtleties of other subgenres, except
to know that you shouldn't use those codes for another purpose.
* In the *FAQ*, we often write a single code within its
* own set of parentheses. This is to signal that we are
* looking at codes; use only one set of parentheses on
* actual stories.
Q3 What are the codes?
A3 Here they are broken down into categories. Some codes are
repeated, with the same definition, in more than one category.
INDEX
3.0: Sex, age, and number.
3.1: Hot codes. It is considered brutally rude to omit
these codes if they apply.
3.2: Willingness or unwillingness.
3.3: Dominance, submission, bondage, pain and violence.
3.4: Relationships.
3.5: Activities.
3.6: Various kinks.
3.7: Other particulars.
****** The CODES ******
* It is considered viciously rude to include the categories that
* I have marked with an asterisk (*) without warning of them in
* the story codes. See section 3.1.
*****
3.0: Sex, Age, and number of persons engaged in sexual
activity. (Not only intercourse.)
M An adult man (18 or older)
m Boy - Teenager (13 - 17)
b* Boy - Preteen (age 12 or younger)
F An adult woman (18 or older)
f Girl - Teenager (13 - 17)
g* Girl - Preteen (age 12 or younger)
Some examples of how these are used:
MF Heterosexual adult sex
mf Young heterosexual sex
FF Homosexual adult female sex
MM* Homosexual adult male sex
ff Young lesbian sex
mm* Homosexual, young male sex
Mg* or mF Permutations of this are an adult having sex with a
minor.
+ 2 or more of the same sex, that is
M+F Several men having sex with the same woman
MF+ Several women having sex with the same man
M+F+ They all mix it up
MF mf Two couples, not a foursome
f-solo e.g. Masturbation by an adolescent girl.
When these are not sufficient to distinguish who is doing what
with whom, there is a discussion of connectors, ~, (or /) in
http://www.asstr.org/~Uther_Pendragon/code/subtle.htm
The FAQ on coding subtleties.
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3.1: Hot codes. It is considered brutally rude to omit these
codes if they apply:
bd Bondage and Discipline
best Bestiality. Sex with an animal (see also zoo)
blackmail Forcing sex through threat of exposure.
cbt Cock & ball torture
copr Coprophilia (Fun with feces)
fist Fisting
inc Incest
mc Mind control
nc Non-consensual Sexual Activity
nec Necrophilia. Sex with a dead person
ped Pedophilia. Participants age 12 or below.
rape rape
reluc starts out as rape, but she loves it.
sad For "just" inflicting pain. Can be used with 'nc' or
'cons'.
sm Sadomasochism: pain which gives pleasure to both
parties
snuff Killing
tort Torture.
viol Violent, not always sad
ws Water Sports
zoo Zoophilia. Caring and consensual relationships
between humans and animals. (See also best)
And generally any level of sex-related violence. Of course, some
of these terms include others. If you include (tort) and (snuff)
then (sad) is redundant.
* However, we consider it fair to use (caution) in story codes
* to indicate that the story might squick some people, but
* telling *why* it might squick them might spoil the story for
* others.
Generally, male homosexual activity squicks a fair number of men.
Lesbian activity doesn't seem to bother very many people.
However, some jurisdictions forbid the depiction of sexual
activity which are illegal there. So casual FF activity should
probably be labeled as well, even if it is not a major theme.
*******
3.2: Willingness or unwillingness.
blackmail* Forcing sex through threat of exposure.
cons *Only* Consensual Sexual Activity (including possible
non-intercourse sexual activity) is in the story.
mc* Mind control.
nc* Some non-consensual Sexual Activity (including
possible non-intercourse sexual activity.)
rape* Brutal non-consensual intercourse.
reluc* Starts out as rape, but she loves it.
rom Romantic; Consensual Sexual Activity only. Based,
at least in part, on the characters' love for one
another. Just now, wisest to include (cons).
For multiple nonconsensual codes, see
http://www.asstr.org/~Uther_Pendragon/code/subtle
*******
3.3: Dominance, submission, bondage, pain and violence.
_dom Domination by member of sex/age "_"
e.g.
Mdom Dominant adult male
Fdom Dominant adult female
bd* Bondage and Discipline
cbt* Cock & ball torture
fist* Fisting
humil Humiliation. Some of the sexual charge of the story
involves the humiliation of one of the characters.
mc* Mind control
rough Consensually rough sex, not always sm.
sad* For "just" inflicting pain. Can be used with 'nc' or
'cons'.
sm* Sadomasochism: pain which gives pleasure to both
parties
snuff* Killing
span Spanking, Mild (sm)
tort* Torture. Severe non-consensual pain-giving
viol* Violence, not always (sad)
* Generally, (snuff) applies to killing in which the description
* of the killing is supposed to add to the sexual charge;
* (viol) includes stories which are violent, even if the sex
* isn't.
*******
3.4: Relationships
cheat Married or committed people having sex outside of the
commitment, cheating on their partner, as distinct
from swinging.
inc* Incest
interr Interracial
rom [Romantic] Consensual Sexual Activity only. Based, at
least in part, on the characters' love for one
another.
wife Wife *watching* (participatory cuckoldry)
wl [Wedded Lust] Sex within the marital relationship.
*******
3.5: Activities
-solo Masturbation by M, m, b, F, f or g; e.g. M-solo
anal Anal sex, not always genital penetration.
best* Bestiality. Sex with an animal (see also zoo)
copr* Coprophilia (Fun with feces)
enem Enemas
exhib Exhibitionism
fist* Fisting
inc* Incest
mc Mind control
nec* Necrophilia. Sex with a dead person
no-sex There is no intercourse in the story.
oral Oral-genital contact.
ped* Pedophilia. Some participants age 12 or below.
scat* Scatology: Involving feces.
tg Transgendered (Transsexual)
vore Eating (literally) someone or something alive. Think Jonah.
voy Voyeurism
wife Wife *watching* (participatory cuckoldry)
ws* Water Sports (aka golden showers, that is: people who
like getting pissed on (as opposed to pissed off).
zoo* Zoophilia. Caring and consensual relationships
between humans and animals. (See also best)
*******
3.6: Various kinks.
bi Bisexuality of one or more characters.
lac Lactation. Playing with (human) milk.
preg Pregnant. Sex with a pregnant woman or impregnation.
toys Vibrators or other adult toys
*******
3.7: Other particulars.
1st First time intercourse. You may also use m-1st, F-1st,
etc. Sometimes first time MM or FF intercourse for
someone who has already experienced MF.
furry Anthropomorphized animals
hist Has a historical theme
humor Humor. Funny
interr Interracial
ScFi Science fiction setting. Please note spelling.
size Overdeveloped body-parts
*******
Q4 What if none of these codes cover my needs for my story?
A4 Consult
http://www.asstr.org/~Uther_Pendragon/code/subtle.htm The FAQ on
coding subtleties, which has less-often-used codes and comments
on dealing with a case where new codes are really needed.
Q5 What happens if I use these codes exactly?
A5 Some readers search on these codes, by eye or by search
engine. The ones who are looking for a story like yours will
find yours. Of those who enjoy it, some will look for more of
your stories. Your readership will be increased; one or two of
them might even write you fan mail.
Also, every pleased reader will have been "positively reinforced"
for reading alt.sex.stories.* and for using the codes. You will
have helped not only yourself, but the rest of the authors.
Q6 What happens if I misuse these codes?
A6 The reader who is using the codes to look for precisely that
sort of story will miss yours. The reader who downloads your
story will be displeased. Depending on his level of displeasure
and his tolerance, his actions can range from junking that
particular story to kill-filing you or even writing you a nasty
letter or a comment in the group.
Certainly, each such reader will have been "negatively
reinforced," *very* slightly less likely to trust codes, to use
codes, and the read alt.sex.stories.
Q7a What happens if I use the codes *I* think fit, but not the
ones in the FAQ that the reader expects?
Q7b What happens if I use precisely the codes in the FAQ, but
those aren't the ones the reader considers appropriate for the
story?
A7 Pretty much the same thing as A6. Readers react according
to their expectations. The FAQ follows usage, not usage
following the FAQ, much less your opinions.
Q8 What happens if I don't use codes?
A8 Some readers won't touch an uncoded story. The readers who
*do* download your story are likely not looking for that sort of
story. Almost certainly, coding increases your readership -- how
much depends on the subgenre and other particulars. More about
this in http://www.asstr.org/~Uther_Pendragon/code/subtle.htm
Q9 How much code should I put on the story.
A9 You should use the appropriate sex and age codes in section
3.0, any hot codes from section 3.1, and the main theme of the
story. Beyond that, consult
http://www.asstr.org/~Uther_Pendragon/code/subtle.htm, the FAQ on
coding subtleties. You might also check out the coding of some
stories which you have read and remember, although the best
writers aren't always the best coders.
Q10 What is in the subtleties of coding FAQ?
A10 Rarely used codes and codes from specialized newsgroups and
for (MM) or (interr) stories. The order of using codes. More on
how much code is necessary.
Q11 How are these codes presented?
A11 The story-codes for each story should all be enclosed in one
set of ( parentheses ) after the story name. The codes should be
separated by spaces, and no single code should include a space
[e.g. (ScFi) not (sci fi); (Mdom} not {M dom)].
The codes for sex and age are run together when those persons are
involved with each other [(MFF) not (M F F)]. These codes are
run into the following codes when they are modifiers [(Fdom) (M-
solo) (f-1st)].
Usually, the codes for sex and age come first.
It would be nice if you used these codes just as they are given,
capitals and lower-case letters and all.
If you are posting to ASSM, then
Romeo and Juliet 1 {Shakespeare} (Mf viol 1st) [1/5]
works for a subject line.
If you are not posting on ASSM, but are posting on ASS, then use:
{ASS} Romeo and Juliet 1 {Shakespeare} (Mf viol 1st) [1/5]
Much more on the entire subject line at:
http://www.asstr.org/~ASSFAQs/sslfaq.html
The ASSM subject line FAQ
Q12 What other resources are available?
A12
http://www.asstr.org/~Uther_Pendragon/code/subtle.htm
The FAQ on subtleties of story coding.
http://www.asstr.org/~Uther_Pendragon/code/scfr.htm
The story-code FAQ for readers.
http://www.asstr.org/~Uther_Pendragon/code/scfr-lng.htm
The alphabetical list of all story codes.
and
http://www.asstr.org/~Uther_Pendragon/code/scfr-sub.htm
The list of all story codes by type of story.
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Vinnie Tesla
<anon...@nyx.net>:
>
>
> Frequently Asked Questions
> about
> ABBREVIATED STORY CODES IN A.S.S.
> Authors' version
>
Proposed additions:
rim Oral-anal contact.
strapon F/M penetration.
My primary reason for suggesting both is the same. They are themes that
specifically squick a significant number of readers, and are
specifically sought out by a significant number of readers.
I think (rim) should be uncontroversial. It's reasonably clear, and
cannot be unambiguously expressed with current canonical codes. Several
readers of "This is Not a Story About Andrew" mentioned discomfort with
the rimming scene, and some others singled it out for praise.
(strapon) is more problematic. While I think a F/M penetration code is
clearly called for, strapon is a flawed choice for what that code should
be. F/F couples can use strap-on dildos (Dictionary.com prefers that
spelling to the faintly archaic 'dildoes,' btw), and for that matter, so
can M/M couples. Also, toys other than strap-ons can be used for this
purpose. However, it is concise, and the prolific Rick Oh is already
using it. If a better alternative can't be found, I think it should be
adopted.
--
-Vinnie
vinnie...@yahoo.com
http://www.asstr.org/~vinnie_tesla/
He polishes birds of the Vista
Katie McN
On Sat, 03 Aug 2002 19:21:34 GMT I noticed your interesting post:
>On 3 Aug 2002 05:51:47 -0600, quoth the Uther Pendragon
><anon...@nyx.net>:
>
>>
>>
>> Frequently Asked Questions
>> about
>> ABBREVIATED STORY CODES IN A.S.S.
>> Authors' version
>>
>
>
>Proposed additions:
>
>rim Oral-anal contact.
>
>strapon F/M penetration.
>
Ahem, your definition appears to indicate an adult female dominating a
male using a strap on to jam him in the wazoo. If this is the case I
would hope for the sake of us lesbians, young and old who don't always
dominate people, that you could come up with another code.
>My primary reason for suggesting both is the same. They are themes that
>specifically squick a significant number of readers, and are
>specifically sought out by a significant number of readers.
>
>I think (rim) should be uncontroversial. It's reasonably clear, and
>cannot be unambiguously expressed with current canonical codes. Several
>readers of "This is Not a Story About Andrew" mentioned discomfort with
>the rimming scene, and some others singled it out for praise.
>
>(strapon) is more problematic. While I think a F/M penetration code is
>clearly called for, strapon is a flawed choice for what that code should
>be. F/F couples can use strap-on dildos (Dictionary.com prefers that
>spelling to the faintly archaic 'dildoes,' btw), and for that matter, so
>can M/M couples. Also, toys other than strap-ons can be used for this
>purpose. However, it is concise, and the prolific Rick Oh is already
>using it. If a better alternative can't be found, I think it should be
>adopted.
You give reasons why it shouldn't be adopted so we need an alternative
or else should just forget this one.
--
It's Me Katie McN
Read My Stories at:
www.asstr.org/~Katie_McN/
Vinnie Tesla
<kati...@earthlink.net>:
>>strapon F/M penetration.
>>
>
>Ahem, your definition appears to indicate an adult female dominating a
>male using a strap on to jam him in the wazoo. If this is the case I
>would hope for the sake of us lesbians, young and old who don't always
>dominate people, that you could come up with another code.
>
I apologize for my sloppy use of coding subtleties. What I was trying to
designate was female-*to*-male penetration. No necessary domination was
intended.
My reason for excluding lesbian strapon use from the proposed definition
is that I don't think that many readers have strong preferences of FF
strapon vs. FF veg or what have you. That is to say, strap-on use is not
a primary criterion for which FF stories to read. If your sense of the
reading public is different, do please let me know.
>>(strapon) is more problematic. While I think a F/M penetration code is
>>clearly called for, strapon is a flawed choice for what that code should
>>be. F/F couples can use strap-on dildos (Dictionary.com prefers that
>>spelling to the faintly archaic 'dildoes,' btw), and for that matter, so
>>can M/M couples. Also, toys other than strap-ons can be used for this
>>purpose. However, it is concise, and the prolific Rick Oh is already
>>using it. If a better alternative can't be found, I think it should be
>>adopted.
>
>You give reasons why it shouldn't be adopted so we need an alternative
>or else should just forget this one.
>
I give reasons why it's flawed and we should try to come up with a
better alternative. Any suggestions?
oosh
@news.speakeasy.net:
> My reason for excluding lesbian strapon use from the proposed definition
> is that I don't think that many readers have strong preferences of FF
> strapon vs. FF veg or what have you. That is to say, strap-on use is not
> a primary criterion for which FF stories to read. If your sense of the
> reading public is different, do please let me know.
I think that a story code indicating that the story involved no penetrative
acts would be welcomed by some (myself included). Some do find penetration,
and penetrative toys, a turn-off, or worse.
O.
Jeff Zephyr
wrote:
I think that (strapon) specifies a kind of toy intuitively. Like
(toys), it seems fine *if* you accept that you must combine it with
other codes to describe how it gets used.
(strapon anal) seems pretty obvious to me. If the participants are
MF or FF or MM (they work there even though a non-toy option is
available), you can pretty much figure out that the toy is being used
for the action.
Whereas lacking anal, you'd get to presume something else. And
while (toys) does cover strapons, there is a special interest in
strapons, as opposed to other kinds of toys. So a special code for it
could make sense and be useful.
--
Jeff
Web site at http://www.asstr.org/~jeffzephyr/
For FTP, ftp://ftp.asstr.org/pub/Authors/jeffzephyr/
There is nothing more important than petting the cat.
den...@tanstaafl.zipcon.net.invalid
no-pen
?
(w/o the hyphen, it looks like some kind of stationery diversion...)
--
-denny- (curmudgeon)
"There are two tragedies in life.
One is to lose your heart's desire. The other is to gain it."
-- G.B. Shaw
Katie McN
On Sat, 03 Aug 2002 21:38:55 GMT I noticed your interesting post:
>On Sat, 03 Aug 2002 20:36:21 GMT, quoth the Katie McN
><kati...@earthlink.net>:
>
>>>strapon F/M penetration.
>>>
>>
[ . . . ]
>>
>I apologize for my sloppy use of coding subtleties. What I was trying to
>designate was female-*to*-male penetration. No necessary domination was
>intended.
>
>My reason for excluding lesbian strapon use from the proposed definition
>is that I don't think that many readers have strong preferences of FF
>strapon vs. FF veg or what have you. That is to say, strap-on use is not
>a primary criterion for which FF stories to read. If your sense of the
>reading public is different, do please let me know.
>
There are a number of lesbians who find any type of penetration to be a
squick. These people might be upset to run across an unannounced
strap-on scene in a story. Although, I know this and yet I didn't code
anything to include 'Caution' when I used a strap-on in a story. I might
not be a good example since I am one who uses the codes as I see fit and
not to the letter.
There are some who feel it isn't necessary to code a story FF since most
guys are not squicked by lesbian action whereas not using MM is very
offensive since many guys really get upset by gay action or things like
having a dildo jammed into a guy's ass. FF is more an advertisement than
a warning in the opinion of many or so I think.
The content of the prior paragraph is upsetting to me is some vague way
because I know that there are those who agree with the concepts and
consider them valid. I happen to be one who thinks guys are far more
uptight about gay sex than women are about lesbian sex, but I don't know
if this is a good reason to show a gender bias in this or any other
case. See the last paragraph below for my reasons.
>>>(strapon) is more problematic. While I think a F/M penetration code is
>>>clearly called for, strapon is a flawed choice for what that code should
>>>be. F/F couples can use strap-on dildos (Dictionary.com prefers that
>>>spelling to the faintly archaic 'dildoes,' btw), and for that matter, so
>>>can M/M couples. Also, toys other than strap-ons can be used for this
>>>purpose. However, it is concise, and the prolific Rick Oh is already
>>>using it. If a better alternative can't be found, I think it should be
>>>adopted.
>>
>>You give reasons why it shouldn't be adopted so we need an alternative
>>or else should just forget this one.
>>
>I give reasons why it's flawed and we should try to come up with a
>better alternative. Any suggestions?
I don't have a suggestion yet, but do think if strapon is adopted, it
will become one of the most misused codes in the book. If you look at
how people code stories on ASSM you may notice that some (many I feel)
guess how to code based on what they see other people doing. These
people will see strapon and use it every time a strap-on shows up in a
story. It won't be useful for your purpose I fear.
Katie McN
On Sat, 3 Aug 2002 23:59:27 +0000 (UTC) I noticed your interesting
post:
>vinnie...@yahoo.com (Vinnie Tesla) wrote in news:3d4c49d8.23596129
In my response I mentioned to Vinnie that there are lesbians who are
squicked by penetration. I'm not sure that this is a well known concept
and I'm glad you also brought it up, Oosh.
In the same way that I feel strapon is not the best way to indicate F
into M action and nothing else, I think we have to be very careful with
a code about 'no penetration' since there are some who would think this
to be the same as nosex. Yet, I can see the usefulness for such a code.
Katie McN
[ . . . ]
> I think that (strapon) specifies a kind of toy intuitively. Like
>(toys), it seems fine *if* you accept that you must combine it with
>other codes to describe how it gets used.
>
> (strapon anal) seems pretty obvious to me. If the participants are
>MF or FF or MM (they work there even though a non-toy option is
>available), you can pretty much figure out that the toy is being used
>for the action.
>
> Whereas lacking anal, you'd get to presume something else. And
>while (toys) does cover strapons, there is a special interest in
>strapons, as opposed to other kinds of toys. So a special code for it
>could make sense and be useful.
I'm not aware of other codes that are positional so question the
viability of trying to do what you suggest. Even so, (strapon anal)
would not do the job even when MF was added to the mix. There is no
reason that the guy can't put on the strap-on and do the babe in the
butt. We find stories where guys wear everything that women wear so why
not a strap-on? I've not had this experience, but assume it must have
happened more than once.
Vinnie Tesla
<kati...@earthlink.net>:
>In my response I mentioned to Vinnie that there are lesbians who are
>squicked by penetration. I'm not sure that this is a well known concept
>and I'm glad you also brought it up, Oosh.
>
This isn't something I'd realized. Looks like I've opened an interesting
can of worms.
>In the same way that I feel strapon is not the best way to indicate F
>into M action and nothing else, I think we have to be very careful with
>a code about 'no penetration' since there are some who would think this
>to be the same as nosex. Yet, I can see the usefulness for such a code.
>
Perhaps what we need are some symbolic verbs to go with all the nouns.
Fex, F->M might mean what I had originally intended for strapon, where
FF /-> would mean a penetration-free lesbian story. Fairly esoteric, but
very concise.
oosh
@news.speakeasy.net:
> Perhaps what we need are some symbolic verbs to go with all the nouns.
> Fex, F->M might mean what I had originally intended for strapon, where
> FF /-> would mean a penetration-free lesbian story. Fairly esoteric, but
> very concise.
I see you are well on your way to developing a new sexual calculus,
professor!
O.
Jeff Zephyr
wrote:
Sure, and my thinking is that the code is most intuitively used for
just the strap-on toy being used. Not specific about how it is used.
For that, I think some other code would be needed, unless we allow
that a combination of codes defines things OK.
Still, the point about who is being penetrated is a good one. But
how to code for that? Who is doing things to whom isn't spelled out
in a lot of codes.
So if we have a (MF anal strap-on (or toys)) code, it doesn't tell
us who is getting it up the ass. With FF or MM, while which
participant is on the receving end is still in question, at least you
know the gender.
The question is, does it matter? And if it does, then logically we
need codes to cover all of the combinations which might squick or
attract.
If it does, we probably should think about handling the whole "who
does what" question at once, for all sorts of activities, rather than
just one.
In any case, the word strap-on is most intuitive as just referring
to the toy, and not who it is used on.
Jeff Zephyr
wrote:
>Hi vinnie...@yahoo.com (Vinnie Tesla),
>
> On Sat, 03 Aug 2002 21:38:55 GMT I noticed your interesting post:
>
>>On Sat, 03 Aug 2002 20:36:21 GMT, quoth the Katie McN
>><kati...@earthlink.net>:
>>
>>>>strapon F/M penetration.
>>>>
>>>
>[ . . . ]
>>>
>>I apologize for my sloppy use of coding subtleties. What I was trying to
>>designate was female-*to*-male penetration. No necessary domination was
>>intended.
>>
>>My reason for excluding lesbian strapon use from the proposed definition
>>is that I don't think that many readers have strong preferences of FF
>>strapon vs. FF veg or what have you. That is to say, strap-on use is not
>>a primary criterion for which FF stories to read. If your sense of the
>>reading public is different, do please let me know.
>>
>
>There are a number of lesbians who find any type of penetration to be a
>squick. These people might be upset to run across an unannounced
>strap-on scene in a story. Although, I know this and yet I didn't code
>anything to include 'Caution' when I used a strap-on in a story. I might
>not be a good example since I am one who uses the codes as I see fit and
>not to the letter.
The (toys) code already includes strap-ons, but FF toys (or any other
combo) doesn't say how the toys get used. (FF toys anal) or (MF toys
anal) is rather suggestive, but nothing in the coding requires that
the *toy* be the thing used for the anal action. Toss in an (oral)
code in there, and it gets even more ambiguous.
I've not run into many non-virgins who were squicked by penetration
(regardless of sexual preference), but whether it is a squick or
simply not something desired, there are relationships where
penetration of any sort simply isn't desired.
Even anal sex can have some of that, there is a difference between
light contact (rimming for example; doesn't that already have a code
somewhere though? In any case, I think most people get (rim) or
(rimming) as an act) and all out penetration, toy or otherwise.
>There are some who feel it isn't necessary to code a story FF since most
>guys are not squicked by lesbian action whereas not using MM is very
>offensive since many guys really get upset by gay action or things like
>having a dildo jammed into a guy's ass. FF is more an advertisement than
>a warning in the opinion of many or so I think.
I do think that FF anal might be squicky for those who find anal sex
so. FF in general isn't nearly as squicky as MM, but I still feel it
is best to code the stuff.
Not sure about whether FF w/strapons or big toys used to penetrate
vaginally have to be coded for that. But (FF toys) works ok to
suggest that it *might* happen.
(MM toys anal) is probably clear enough. It is only MF or FM which
makes the difference -- who gets it up the ass seems to make a big
difference for the feel of the story, and its genre.
I just don't know which code would work best to clearly define that.
(strap-on) just is too vague, its implicit meaning is so clear that
trying to redefine it as just one of the possible uses wont' fly.
Still, maybe using the order as critical meaning might work,
something like (F-strapon/M anal) to make it clear who is using the
strap-on:?
Tesseract
To be complete you will need to consider what is being penetrated.
Mouth
Anus
Vagina (female only)
and for completeness you shoulkd also include
nostril -- left and right
ear -- left and right
eye -- left and right
urethra
What is doing the penetrating.
Tongue
Fingers -- which one, which hand, how many
Hand -- left or right
Arm -- left or right and how much
Penis (male only)
Toes -- (see fingers)
Foot -- (see hand)
Leg -- (see arm)
You also need to consider the unbounded, countable universe of objects
that are not attached to the human body.
Dildos -- length, circumference, cross section (round, elipse, square,
trianle, ...)
Bottles
Cans
Candles
Fruits and vegetables
Grooming aids -- eg brushes
Household appliances -- eg graters
(do Ben Wa balls penetrate, or are they just inserted?)
There are also other objects that can be penetrated.
Blowup dolls -- some have multiple orifices.
Knot holes
Vacuum cleaner hoses
That chinese finger lock puzzle
Electrical outlets
If you consider non-human appendages penetrating non-human orifices,
every time you plug in your toaster you are committing a sex act.
These are just a few combinations for your consideration Professor
Tesla. You should also consider the actions and whether they are
reflexive, symmetric, commutative, associative, distributive.
Also ask yourself who cares. If the answer is not very many you may be
able to get a grant for the research.
Tesseract -- just doing his part to advance academic research.
Fuzz Thing
> Hi vinnie...@yahoo.com (Vinnie Tesla),
> You give reasons why it shouldn't be adopted so we need an alternative
> or else should just forget this one.
I've an idea!!!!!
Let's us just paste the story into the subject line!!!
I make the odds on this happening somewhere over 50:1
>^,,^<
(Fuzz)
Sagittaria
news:b3e529bf.02080...@posting.google.com:
> If you consider non-human appendages penetrating non-human
> orifices, every time you plug in your toaster you are committing a
> sex act.
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den...@tanstaafl.zipcon.net.invalid
held forth, saying:
>These are just a few combinations for your consideration Professor
>Tesla.
He'll need to co-opt his great-uncle Nikola for this calculation.
Tesseract
> On Sun, 04 Aug 2002 07:02:04 GMT, Katie McN <kati...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> Sure, and my thinking is that the code is most intuitively used for
> just the strap-on toy being used. Not specific about how it is used.
> For that, I think some other code would be needed, unless we allow
> that a combination of codes defines things OK.
>
I'm confused. If 'strap-on' is only to indicate that a strap-on toy is
being used, why? What is the difference between a dildo strapped onto
somebody's body part or a dildo that is hand-held? In either case one
person is free to use it to penetrate (or not) various orifices of the
other person.
Carried just a little bit farther we will have what someone else
suggested: Just copy to whole story to the subject line.
Tesseract
Jeff Zephyr
wrote:
>Jeff Zephyr <jeff...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<3d4db008$0$3568$272e...@news.execpc.com>...
>> On Sun, 04 Aug 2002 07:02:04 GMT, Katie McN <kati...@earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Sure, and my thinking is that the code is most intuitively used for
>> just the strap-on toy being used. Not specific about how it is used.
>> For that, I think some other code would be needed, unless we allow
>> that a combination of codes defines things OK.
>>
>
>I'm confused. If 'strap-on' is only to indicate that a strap-on toy is
>being used, why? What is the difference between a dildo strapped onto
>somebody's body part or a dildo that is hand-held? In either case one
>person is free to use it to penetrate (or not) various orifices of the
>other person.
Because this particular toy is used in a way which sets up a genre
of stories, strong enough that people will look for them deliberately.
A keyword for searching for such stories would be good. Or to avoid
them, for those who dislike them.
While some of the action is similar for handheld toys, the overall
impression is different with a strap-on. It specifically allows the
wearer to emulate a male role (even if he is male, I suppose -- he
just emulates a different male?). The (toy) lacks that implication in
use.
>Carried just a little bit farther we will have what someone else
>suggested: Just copy to whole story to the subject line.
In this case, this is one of those codes which is already stuck on
some stories. (FM strap-on) is a kind of story class in itself.
Using (toy) instead doesn't explain it for the fans of such stories,
who don't want just any sort of toy used.
DB_Story
I realize your thoughts with "F-bot/f-bot" codes. I do have to say that
"Fembot/fembot" read nicer for me, though people who have used other codes
for the same thing might prefer your version. We can watch for further
comments in this thread.
I'm surprised about your feeling towards "asfr". It does describe a genre.
And can you tell me why ScFi isn't the more traditional SciFi? I've long
wondered about that.
---DBS http://home.att.net/~DB_Story
"Uther Pendragon" <anon...@nyx.net> wrote in message
news:96521709...@irys.nyx.net...
Shadow Wolf
> On Sat, 03 Aug 2002 20:36:21 GMT, quoth the Katie McN
> <kati...@earthlink.net>:
>
>>>strapon F/M penetration.
>>>
>>
>>Ahem, your definition appears to indicate an adult female dominating a
>>male using a strap on to jam him in the wazoo. If this is the case I
>>would hope for the sake of us lesbians, young and old who don't always
>>dominate people, that you could come up with another code.
>>
> I apologize for my sloppy use of coding subtleties. What I was trying to
> designate was female-*to*-male penetration. No necessary domination was
> intended.
>
> My reason for excluding lesbian strapon use from the proposed definition
> is that I don't think that many readers have strong preferences of FF
> strapon vs. FF veg or what have you. That is to say, strap-on use is not
> a primary criterion for which FF stories to read. If your sense of the
> reading public is different, do please let me know.
_I_ do...
I like most FF stories, but I _really_ have a yen for stories (and
pictures) featuring FF strapons -- although FM strapon (your proposed
meaning) just squicks me...
So I'm weird -- I already knew that :-)
>>
>>You give reasons why it shouldn't be adopted so we need an alternative
>>or else should just forget this one.
>>
> I give reasons why it's flawed and we should try to come up with a
> better alternative. Any suggestions?
FMStrap and FFStrap, perhaps?
--
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Stories at http://www.asstr.org/~Shadow_Wolf
Eli the Bearded
> To be complete you will need to consider what is being penetrated.
> Mouth
> Anus
> Vagina (female only)
What about hermaphrodites?
> and for completeness you shoulkd also include
> nostril -- left and right
> ear -- left and right
> eye -- left and right
> urethra
I would group these under other and then elaborate at the top of
the story.
> What is doing the penetrating.
...
> You also need to consider the unbounded, countable universe of objects
> that are not attached to the human body.
What about things not normally attached, but through the miracle of
modern science have been? For example there is a small minority of
bodyart folks who have had horns implanted.
> There are also other objects that can be penetrated.
You left out the robots. Robot stories seem common of late, so it
would be a useful one to include.
> If you consider non-human appendages penetrating non-human orifices,
> every time you plug in your toaster you are committing a sex act.
Ever read my "Doorknob 34b Gets Lucky"? (Also posted as "Doorknob 34a
Gets Lucky".)
> These are just a few combinations for your consideration Professor
> Tesla. You should also consider the actions and whether they are
> reflexive, symmetric, commutative, associative, distributive.
>
> Also ask yourself who cares. If the answer is not very many you may be
> able to get a grant for the research.
And let me renew my keyword challenge. For any set of keywords that
claims to be definitive (and does not include a catch-all like 'misc')
I can write a sex story that is outside of that keyword set.
Elijah
------
34a and 34b are doorknobs on opposite sides of the same door
den...@tanstaafl.zipcon.net.invalid
wrote:
>Much of the Internet is built on RFCs. RFC is a TLA for Request For
>Comment. That doesn't sound very prescriptive either but they are
>quoted and referred to as scripture.
>
>Tesseract
Ya learn something every day. I've seen the TLA 'RFC' occasionally
for some years now. This is the first time I've seen it expanded.
Thankyou.
den...@tanstaafl.zipcon.net.invalid
wrote:
>>Even if it returns zero entries you can tell if it was valid by how
>>long it takes. If it locks up for a long period, it was not valid.
>>Likewise if it locks up and then tries to return tens of thousands of
>>results. Such as M/F, which tries to return EVERY entries that uses
>>the letter 'm' in any way, shape, or form. By the way, that's 30883
>>stories.
>
> Yes, that is hard to deal with. But could the search engine be made
>to defeat that? (Need to check it out. Different engines have
>different rules, but there is no reason that a reg-expression sort of
>search engine couldn't handle *any* code combo.
>
> Plus a sex story code specific indexing one could look for case &
>punctuation both, so that M/f and Mf are both findable.
Ummm... "M/f" or "no-sex" or "M" and "f" --- IOW, enclose the
non-tokenized strings in quote marks. That does seem to work on most
search-engines, and I'm sure 'search precisely for what's within
double-quotes' could be added to the ASSTR engine. (if not already
there)
den...@tanstaafl.zipcon.net.invalid
<pinat...@bigplanet.com> wrote:
>sorry Denny and Eli. it was just an idea. :(
>
>-cb
Nothing wrong with airing the idea. *This time* it wasn't a good
idea; that says nothing about your next idea. :) No apology needed,
but if you feel a need, I'll accept the apology you gave.
tenyari
wrote:
>On Fri, 09 Aug 2002 17:22:20 -0600, Jeff Zephyr <jeff...@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>>Even if it returns zero entries you can tell if it was valid by how
>>>long it takes. If it locks up for a long period, it was not valid.
>>>Likewise if it locks up and then tries to return tens of thousands of
>>>results. Such as M/F, which tries to return EVERY entries that uses
>>>the letter 'm' in any way, shape, or form. By the way, that's 30883
>>>stories.
>>
>Ummm... "M/f" or "no-sex" or "M" and "f" --- IOW, enclose the
>non-tokenized strings in quote marks. That does seem to work on most
>search-engines, and I'm sure 'search precisely for what's within
>double-quotes' could be added to the ASSTR engine. (if not already
>there)
It does not currently work on the ASSM search engine.
Searching for "M/F" returns:
Your search for the subject "M" produced the following results:
30905 entries then follow.
I was actually surprised to discover that, because as you say putting
it in quotes in standard in search engines for "treat this as one
unit".
Possibly the programmer got the tokenizing routines out of order...
breaking the / apart before looking for quotes...
Or maybe it just wasn't considered.
--
Tenyari
writer in progress ( http://www.asstr.org/~tenyari/ ).
If he tells you "he'd slept with four girls one night, you could figure it was about a girl and a half.
Uther Pendragon
I'll remove (copr) from all but the long lists.
BTW: I've put (scat) on the hot list. This was simply an
oversight. It was marked with an asterisk on the general list,
which *should* be the same group as those on the hot list.
--
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anon...@nyx.net fiqshn http://www.asstr.org/~Uther_Pendragon
den...@tanstaafl.zipcon.net.invalid
wrote:
>I'm reading more of this thread than I'm replying to.
That makes sense.
>I'll remove (copr) from all but the long lists.
So does this.
>BTW: I've put (scat) on the hot list. This was simply an
>oversight. It was marked with an asterisk on the general list,
>which *should* be the same group as those on the hot list.
<shrug> Happens. Nice when it's this easy to fix. :)
den...@tanstaafl.zipcon.net.invalid
wrote:
>Searching for "M/F" returns:
>
>Your search for the subject "M" produced the following results:
>30905 entries then follow.
>
>I was actually surprised to discover that, because as you say putting
>it in quotes in standard in search engines for "treat this as one
>unit".
>
>Possibly the programmer got the tokenizing routines out of order...
>breaking the / apart before looking for quotes...
>
>Or maybe it just wasn't considered.
Hard to say for sure. I've forwarded this to Rey; maybe the feature
can be implemented easily.
Sagittaria
> People are currently posting things about the man oriented
> strap-on proposal where we need a code to make sure that guys
> don't have to suffer and inadvertently read about a woman jamming
> a strap-on in the tender ass of some hapless guy.
My understanding is that the code would be used more as a positive
filter for people who were into that genre. IMO "strapon" is an
established term for that as evidenced by the group a.b.m.e.strap-
on.sex, to give one example. I think strapon would make a fine code and
would be understood to mean F->M unless specified as FF-strapon, fex.
> Lesbians use strap-ons way more than you het people
Is it a "hot topic" in the lesbian community the way it appears to be
for the F->M situation? Or is it considered one sex act among many but
nothing that needs special coding? If it does need special coding then
I think FM-strapon or FF-strapon (or theoretically MF- or MM-) would
work. Strapon by itself could be used when the genders involved are
clear from other story codes. A search for "strapon" would bring up
all results and the reader could then scan the gender codes.
>plus we have a minority of folks who are squicked by penetration.
I see this as a different issue, since this isn't limited to
penetration by strapons only. If we want to code (pen)etration or
(ins)ertion I'd suggest starting a new thread to discuss it.
Sagittaria
> On Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:17:56 -0700, "celia batau"
><pinat...@bigplanet.com> wrote:
>>we only saw the readers faq. there is alt.sex.stories.bondage, but
>>there are also a lot of bdsm stories in assm too, so we think that
>>having those destinctions would be helpful. :)
...
>>maybe it's just us, but we think bdsm is kind of a big genre. and
>>to have to put (MF Mdom bd no discipline) is a lot more
>>complicated than (M/f bond).
>
> I think that having a segment to cover big genres is a good
> idea.
> BDSM coding has its own structure, and it makes sense to try to
> spell out how the codes are used within those stories.
Does alt.sex.stories.bondage already have an authoritative FAQ for
story codes? In that case maybe we can leave them out of our FAQ, and
refer readers to the more comprehensive one (and post it here
occasionally).
Vershnyk
news:ddb75a20.02080...@posting.google.com:
> Fumbling with the plug,
<snip>
> Perhaps this year it wouldn't be so bad after all.
That was lovely. Thanks, Gary!
Now back to our scheduled story-code war...
--
Vershnyk
Jeff Zephyr
<sagit...@softhome.net> wrote:
>Jeff Zephyr <jeff...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>news:3d541208$0$1428$272e...@news.execpc.com:
>
>> On Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:17:56 -0700, "celia batau"
>><pinat...@bigplanet.com> wrote:
>
>>>we only saw the readers faq. there is alt.sex.stories.bondage, but
>>>there are also a lot of bdsm stories in assm too, so we think that
>>>having those destinctions would be helpful. :)
>...
>
>>>maybe it's just us, but we think bdsm is kind of a big genre. and
>>>to have to put (MF Mdom bd no discipline) is a lot more
>>>complicated than (M/f bond).
>>
>> I think that having a segment to cover big genres is a good
>> idea.
>> BDSM coding has its own structure, and it makes sense to try to
>> spell out how the codes are used within those stories.
>
>Does alt.sex.stories.bondage already have an authoritative FAQ for
>story codes? In that case maybe we can leave them out of our FAQ, and
>refer readers to the more comprehensive one (and post it here
>occasionally).
No, it doesn't. Not as far as I know. The ASS FAQ is pretty much
the standard for all sex story groups.
Gary Jordan
Thank you!
Story-code war? As these things go, this one seems quite civilized.
I googled the alt.sex.story* groups each and severally for story code FAQs. It
seems that the FAQ archived at ASSTR and maintained by Uther is the only
current one. There is discussion in various groups, the latest of which seemed
to be in 2000, about starting one, but most seemed to think that ASSTRs FAQ was
good enough for all of them to use.
There must be FAQs outside ASS* that vary significantly from 'ours'. Anyone
care to post one as an example?
Down scope.
Gary Jordan
"Old submariners never die; they just don't get to go down as often."
<I>"This communicating of a man's self to his friend works two contrary
effects, for it redoubleth joys, and cutteth griefs in half." - Francis Bacon,
Essays </I>
Stasya T. Canine
> There must be FAQs outside ASS* that vary significantly from 'ours'.
> Anyone care to post one as an example?
I've been looking at the furry story ngs and haven't seen a FAQ yet.
It's not a google search, just a header grab from a server with long term
retention (back to Dec of 96 for some ngs).
That said, I see a few codes that are in general use there that we don't
often see in ASS*.
note: All but a few of these codes were found in fur.stories.erotica.
There is very little coding in fur.stories.misc. If the code is used in
ASS* on a regular basis or I'm certain it's in the coding FAQs, I didn't
mention it here.
* * *
yiffy, yiff, yiffing - generally the same as 'sex' but sometimes used to
indicate things that have sexual overtones without the actual sex being
portrayed
MF coding followed by the species coding. (fex: M/F human/vixen or M
human/F vixen)
modifiers to some codes: 'light bondage', 'very rough', 'slight
violence', etc
tame
love
captive
piano (yes, this and the next are from a subject line!)
paparazzi
brutality
mystic
penetration
non-explicit
!plotwhatsoever (once--but apt!)
exploration
draft
herm (sometimes used with the taur code--think about it. :/ )
aqua-sex (used with otters as the characters so I assume it's sex that
takes place in a water environment)
ub (no clue)
vore (no clue but context may imply hunting and/or eating other species. I
don't know for certain.)
humans (makes sense in a furry ng if the story is about humans only)
childhood
Adult themes, language
shemale
castration
closeness, no actual yiffage
teasing
[species] Morph
play (actual coding is 'M/M canine dominance play')
implied NC
outdoors, public
Vorarephile
Rip'n'chew
handwork
aquatic
sequel
some kink
quadramorph
brothers
public punishment
unfinished
mature content
mature content but no graphic sex
working title
obsession
RL issues
shapechanging
transformation (similar to shapechanging but often involunary and by an
outside agency whereas shapechanging is usually voluntary and
self-controlled. This is my impression, anyway.)
Taurs (from what I can see, this is generic for any 4-legged furry species
that also has a torso with arms. Corrections welcome.)
If there's a FAQ for furry coding, I have yet to see it. Anybody have
one?
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Things forgotten, things remembered dimly.
Some things remembered with a painful clarity.
Past, present, future.
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news:RrJ59.6196$uO4....@nwrddc01.gnilink.net:
> herm (sometimes used with the taur code--think about it. :/ )
Fanfic for Varley's Demon/Titan/whatever the hell the last one was?
> Taurs (from what I can see, this is generic for any 4-legged furry
> species that also has a torso with arms. Corrections welcome.)
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Stasya T. Canine
> "Stasya T. Canine" <stasyaUN...@storiesonline.net> wrote in
> news:RrJ59.6196$uO4....@nwrddc01.gnilink.net:
>
>> herm (sometimes used with the taur code--think about it. :/ )
>
> Fanfic for Varley's Demon/Titan/whatever the hell the last one was?
>
A possibility, isn't it? <g>
Shadow Wolf
> On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 07:50:57 -0700, Shadow Wolf wrote:
>
>> "Stasya T. Canine" <stasyaUN...@storiesonline.net> wrote in
>> news:RrJ59.6196$uO4....@nwrddc01.gnilink.net:
>>
>>> herm (sometimes used with the taur code--think about it. :/ )
>>
>> Fanfic for Varley's Demon/Titan/whatever the hell the last one was?
>>
> A possibility, isn't it? <g>
>
>
Yes, well... The centaurs were interesting, but I never could get into that
series (probably why I don't remember the last title). I just don't like
Varley's style, I guess.
Shadow Wolf
> On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 07:50:57 -0700, Shadow Wolf wrote:
>
>> "Stasya T. Canine" <stasyaUN...@storiesonline.net> wrote in
>> news:RrJ59.6196$uO4....@nwrddc01.gnilink.net:
>>
>>> herm (sometimes used with the taur code--think about it. :/ )
>>
>> Fanfic for Varley's Demon/Titan/whatever the hell the last one was?
>>
> A possibility, isn't it? <g>
>
>
Yes, well... The centaurs were interesting, but I never could get into that
Shadow Wolf
> On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 07:50:57 -0700, Shadow Wolf wrote:
>
>> "Stasya T. Canine" <stasyaUN...@storiesonline.net> wrote in
>> news:RrJ59.6196$uO4....@nwrddc01.gnilink.net:
>>
>>> herm (sometimes used with the taur code--think about it. :/ )
>>
>> Fanfic for Varley's Demon/Titan/whatever the hell the last one was?
>>
> A possibility, isn't it? <g>
>
>
Yes, well... The centaurs were interesting, but I never could get into that
Vershnyk
Jordan) wrote in news:20020812020826...@mb-mf.aol.com:
> Story-code war? As these things go, this one seems quite
> civilized.
Well, pretty much civilized, yes. Let's call it innocent skirmish,
with no casualties so far :)
> I googled the alt.sex.story* groups each and severally for story
> code FAQs. It seems that the FAQ archived at ASSTR and maintained
> by Uther is the only current one. There is discussion in various
> groups, the latest of which seemed to be in 2000, about starting
> one, but most seemed to think that ASSTRs FAQ was good enough for
> all of them to use.
I googled the web in search of 'ff mf mm fm codes faq sex' in hope to
find something recembling the FAQ archived at ASSTR, but created and
used on some other sites. The only relevant things that turned up were
CONTENT CODES <http://pdonovan.imagine.cx/codes.html>
and one of the versions of Dr. Bob's FAQ at
<http://www.sexuality.org/l/art/storcode.html> (they need to update,
or something, IMHO).
While the former one is indeed an example of independent classification
of sex-stories, it's overly simplistic, and probably suited to cover
content of that particular site only (I haven't looked at the site's
content, though).
I think it's possible to have sex-story classification using codes
other than MF, MM or FF for basic sex acts, but I don't see evidence of
this.
> There must be FAQs outside ASS* that vary significantly from
> 'ours'. Anyone care to post one as an example?
Not me. And I doubt anyone would, because if there existed one,
somebody would have found it and brought it to our attention here at
ASSD, using it as a support of their position in one of the story-code
discussions (or as weapon in one of the story-code wars <g>).
--
Vershnyk
Eli the Bearded
> den...@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.invalid wrote on Thu 08 Aug 2002
> > I saw a *bunch* of stories (or chapters of one long story)
> > which used (cbt).
> Computer Based Training? In a sex story? Sign me up for the at-home
> final exam.
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---------------------------------------------------------------------
Testing receiver.....Test complete
Loading program.....Finished
Running....
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Directions:
Open the final exam package you received with the access code to this
test. Inside you should find either a vaginal probe or a penis
harness as appropriate for your gender. Please strip and click the
link for the installation directions for your device.
1) Female: vaginal probe
2) Male: penis harness
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Male penis harness installation
Examine the harness. There are four straps and two cables.
The red strap wraps around the scrotum. Put this strap around your
the base of the scrotum. Make sure that both testicles are kept
seperated from the body. position the harness so the white box is on
the left and the black box on the right, the blue straps should hang
down from the bottom center. Pull the strap as tight as it will as
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straps through the loop as well. Pull slightly tight, then adjust the
blue straps to run between your testicles. Tighten the gray strap as
snug as comfort allows.
The ends of the blue straps go into the boxes on the sides of your
scotum. Make sure the straps go all the way through the boxes.
Now you are ready to attach the cords. The power adapter cable
should be plygged in first, then the USB cable should be plugged
into a free port on your Computer.
Click here when done with these steps.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Detecting new hardware.....Finding driver.....Installing driver....
Installation complete.
Starting hardware check.....Complete.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
User: the last step in your Computer Obedience Class is now complete.
Your penis harness is fully functional, and you have already noticed
that your Computer has full control over the tightness of those
straps. In the event of a power failure the straps will automatically
tighten all the way. In the event of an interruption in the Computer
link to the harness and a hypodermic needle from one of the control
boxes will pierce your scrotum and inject Depo-Provera to chemically
castrate you.
In addition to those punishments for attempting to disable the
harness your Computer now can electronically provide pleasurable
sensations when you complete a task satisfactorily, and provide
a variety of painful sensations, some directly some electronically
for failure to comply.
You will become addicted to these electronic orgasms and live in
fear of Computer retribution. As a taste of what can be done to
you, you will recieve your first orgasm when you click below, and
then your servitude will begin.
Click here to continue.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Elijah
------
hope that helps
Eli the Bearded
> Gary Jordan wrote:
> > I googled the alt.sex.story* groups each and severally for story
> > code FAQs. It seems that the FAQ archived at ASSTR and maintained
> > by Uther is the only current one.
There is netnews outside of alt.*
> The only relevant things that turned up were
> CONTENT CODES <http://pdonovan.imagine.cx/codes.html>
> and one of the versions of Dr. Bob's FAQ at
> <http://www.sexuality.org/l/art/storcode.html> (they need to update,
> or something, IMHO).
Interesting.
> I think it's possible to have sex-story classification using codes
> other than MF, MM or FF for basic sex acts, but I don't see evidence of
> this.
It might be interesting to bring up rec.arts.movies.erotica at this
point. They have a 'glossary' of terms, rather than a FAQ, and last
I checked reviews there were summaries of acts shown, sort-of what
it might be like to have a one paragraphy story based on the keywords
for something in ASSM.
The glossary is interesting reading though, both for a glimpse at
the world-view, and the level of detail they want. Some examples:
A-D:
http://groups.google.com/groups?th=6c3ff133f134fce8&seekm=rame.981267609p15846%40bash
Bimbot (Becky Carols TM)
A pornslut who is manufactured by Dow Corning and is as cold and
unfeeling during sex as her plastic tits, lips, cheeks, etc, i.e.,
Jenna Jameson.
DP
Double Penetration, one parolee's cock in the girl's ass, another cock
in her pussy. Variations include DAP, DPP.
DAP
Double Anal Penetration, two cocks in the bunghole
DPP
Double Pussy Penetration, two cocks in the pussy
E-M
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=rame.981813605p12883%40bash
Fishing Lure (Torris TM)
Any variety of piercings found on the female body
Gape
A dilated asshole.
Industry Tampon (Torris or Riley TM)
AVN, Adult Video News trade rag
Lube Job
Not to be confused with "lube". A particularly wet blow job. AKA
"Stringy lube job" when the saliva/phlegm
forms strings from the woman's mouth to the man's dick.
Money Shot
The sexual and existential climax of a non-lesbian fuck scene. The
greater the volume, the greater the marketability for reasons
completely baffling to most porn consumers.
N-R:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=rame.982449605p12820%40bash
OCV
The girl's been attempting to deepthroat and is gagging horribly, she
can't fit it all down. Suddenly the scene cuts and we're straight
into mish. What's up with that? You just know there was
some...OFF-CAMERA VOMIT!
Parolee
Standard issue male pornstar, typically working for the compensation
of cheeseburgers and gas money.
Paint brush (Riley TM)
That's a wide racing stripe.(see racing stripe) Another pubic
hairstyle.
Rangefed (Voyager TM)
Lean girl, many times ribs are seen when she is doing doggy, RC...
Many times can only guess where her next meal is coming from.
Russian
Where the girl fucks cock between her fleshy tits. Best done with
nats, not a purdy sight if the girls' got bolt-ons. Also termed as
titfucking or breast-boffing.
S-Z
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=rame.983486434p27537%40bash
68er
From the common expression "do me and I'll owe ya one". A G/G scene
where one girl will go down on the other, but the latter will only
fingerfuck or toyfuck the former.
Suitcase Pimp (Torris TM)
Boyfriend, manager, step-brother, etc. of a pornstar and/or feature
dancer who "manage" her affairs.
Tain't (Torris TM)
tain't ass and tain't pussy.... The demilitarized zone of flesh
between these two areas
Treasure Trail (Riley TM)
The fine line from the top of the clitoral hood to the belly button.
It may or not be a line of hair. The treasure trail is particularly
related to reproduction. If you view some of the Ready to Drop series
you'll find that almost all the bulging mama-to-be's have a prominent
treasure trail even though they might have shaven or completely bald
pussies. It's also very common in black girls or maybe it's just more
visible in them.
> > There must be FAQs outside ASS* that vary significantly from
> > 'ours'. Anyone care to post one as an example?
> Not me. And I doubt anyone would, because if there existed one,
Rec.arts.erotica has been dead for many years now, a victim of the
difficultly moderating this sort of group. revived
alt.sex.stories.moderated as an alternative to it. The r.a.e FAQ
seems to have been last posted in 1995:
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/erotica-faq/
The keywords rec.arts.erotica used were definately a different system
than the FAQ Uther maintains: they are case insensitive for example.
I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say it varies 'significantly; though.
These were supplied by the moderators, not the authors, a daunting task.
Here's the list:
admin: administrative announcements, indexes of stories, etc.
anal: anal penetration/fisting
animal: bestiality and animals
annc: announcements other than administrative: freeware, etc.
bond: bondage (physical restraint)
fdom: domination by females
f-solo: female masturbation and other solitary activities
ff: female-female contact
furry: sentient non-human characters (e.g. "Journal Entries")
gothic: vampires and other Gothic subjects (e.g. "Night Music")
group: group sex and threesomes
heavy: "heavy" forms of bdsm
hist: historical/medieval pieces that do -not- necessarily fall into
the genre of "speculative fiction"
humor: joke posts or amusing stories (e.g. "Barbeque of Doom")
incest: incestuous relationships
m-solo: male masturbation and other solitary activities
mc: mind control
mdom: domination by males
mf: male-female contact
mild: "mild" forms of bdsm
mm: male-male contact
mutual: mutual masturbation or other non-solo masturbatory depictions
nc: non-consensual situations
oral: mouth-to-genital contact
pedo: pedophilia (pre-pubescent) (e.g. "Misty")
poem: poetry
rape: rape scenes and other violent non-consensual sexuality
romance: heavily romantic pieces
rough: rough sex that is consensual but not precisely S&M
scat: scatology and coprophilia
series: long stories split into sections (e.g. "Marie")
sexless: no overt sexual depiction
sf: speculative fiction: sci-fi, heavy fantasy, and the like
sm: sadism and masochism
teen: consensual sex involving teenagers and postpubescents
tg: transgendered (all stages)
tv: cross-dressing, feminization
violence: violent, not (necessarily) sexual/sadistic
water: watersports and urophilia
Some things to note:
* Bestiality spelling problem averted with the use of 'animal'
* 'mf' 'mm' 'ff' all are gender-contact terms and do not indicate
age of specifically fucking.
* A keyword for series.
* Discord never followed through on her thread to add an 'eli' keyword
for my stories.
Also interesting is that rec.arts.movies.erotica uses 'boy' and 'b'
for male and 'girl' and 'g' for female without intending them to mean
underage in any way. 'M' and 'F' (or 'm' and 'f') do not seem to be
used.
Elijah
------
finds the contrasting concerns interesting
Jeff Zephyr
>Hi, Vershnyk! You said:
>>On 06 Aug 2002 23:28:11 GMT, pjc...@aol.com (Gary) wrote in
>>news:ddb75a20.02080...@posting.google.com:
>>
>>> Fumbling with the plug,
>><snip>
>>> Perhaps this year it wouldn't be so bad after all.
>>
>>That was lovely. Thanks, Gary!
>>
>>Now back to our scheduled story-code war...
>
>Thank you!
>
>Story-code war? As these things go, this one seems quite civilized.
>
>I googled the alt.sex.story* groups each and severally for story code FAQs. It
>seems that the FAQ archived at ASSTR and maintained by Uther is the only
>current one. There is discussion in various groups, the latest of which seemed
>to be in 2000, about starting one, but most seemed to think that ASSTRs FAQ was
>good enough for all of them to use.
>
>There must be FAQs outside ASS* that vary significantly from 'ours'. Anyone
>care to post one as an example?
A good plan. What I've seen, though, are just older versions or
slight variants of the FAQ used here. Eli points out the rae FAQ,
which has some nice points -- things maybe worth adding -- but the
usage isn't much like that in any of the common sex story groups.
Still, any good ideas from elsewhere are worth adopting or adapting.
But the sex story code patterns used in the sex story groups seem
pretty similar to those in the FAQ. It is just that some coding
practices used *aren't* in the FAQ, or aren't spelled out neatly.
Jeff Zephyr
<stasyaUN...@storiesonline.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:08:26 -0700, Gary Jordan wrote:
>
>> There must be FAQs outside ASS* that vary significantly from 'ours'.
>> Anyone care to post one as an example?
>
>I've been looking at the furry story ngs and haven't seen a FAQ yet.
>
>It's not a google search, just a header grab from a server with long term
>retention (back to Dec of 96 for some ngs).
>
>That said, I see a few codes that are in general use there that we don't
>often see in ASS*.
>
>note: All but a few of these codes were found in fur.stories.erotica.
>There is very little coding in fur.stories.misc. If the code is used in
>ASS* on a regular basis or I'm certain it's in the coding FAQs, I didn't
>mention it here.
>
> * * *
>
>modifiers to some codes: 'light bondage', 'very rough', 'slight
>violence', etc
light, heavy, exterme, serious, slight, very... probably a lot of
adjectives are available and might be added to a codes list, to
reflect that they are both used and meaningful.
>vore (no clue but context may imply hunting and/or eating other species. I
>don't know for certain.)
A class of "cannibalism" stories. Not all involve the victims dying
from the process (it is fantasy).
>outdoors, public
You know, though (exhib) sort of covers this, not all outdoor or
public locations for sex have any exhibitionism in them?
>If there's a FAQ for furry coding, I have yet to see it. Anybody have
>one?
I've seen some attempts to list specific sorts of codes for species
participants and transformations. Not sure about others, you've
mentioned the basic ones. No FAQ, though.
Iconoclast
03:32:49p
> In alt.sex.stories.d, Iconoclast
> <kreistho...@shaw.caNADA> wrote:
>> den...@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.invalid wrote on Thu 08 Aug 2002
>> > I saw a *bunch* of stories (or chapters of one long story)
>> > which used (cbt).
>> Computer Based Training? In a sex story? Sign me up for the
>> at-home final exam.
>
> Hello user
I'm usually addressed as 'Hello sailor', but I guess this is the
more modern equivalent, eh?
> Welcome to the final lesson in this series. By now you should
> know how to serve your master, the Computer, but just in case
> we will be giving you this final exam.
Well, I knew I had to do this training course when the Lisa
wouldn't shut down except in its own good time. "Lisa will allow
you to shut down now."
> Attach your signal receiver, if for some reason it was
> disconnected, and make sure that the IP port on your computer
> is unobstructed, then Click Here To Begin.
<click>
This is fun. Anytime someone sends me a new .exe file I click on
it. Whee!
> Directions:
>
> Open the final exam package you received with the access code
> to this test. Inside you should find either a vaginal probe or
> a penis harness as appropriate for your gender. Please strip
> and click the link for the installation directions for your
> device.
>
> 1) Female: vaginal probe
>
> 2) Male: penis harness
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> ------
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> Male penis harness installation
Long boring instruction manual. I'll just do what it says.
> Click here when done with these steps.
<click>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> ------
>
> Detecting new hardware.....Finding driver.....Installing
> driver.... Installation complete.
>
> Starting hardware check.....Complete.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> ------
>
> User: the last step in your Computer Obedience Class is now
> complete.
>
> Your penis harness is fully functional, and you have already
> noticed that your Computer has full control over the tightness
> of those straps. In the event of a power failure the straps
> will automatically tighten all the way. In the event of an
> interruption in the Computer link to the harness and a
> hypodermic needle from one of the control boxes will pierce
> your scrotum and inject Depo-Provera to chemically castrate
> you.
Hey. My daughter uses Depo. Does this mean I won't get pregnant?
Kewl!
> In addition to those punishments for attempting to disable the
> harness your Computer now can electronically provide
> pleasurable sensations when you complete a task
> satisfactorily, and provide a variety of painful sensations,
> some directly some electronically for failure to comply.
Hey! Is there some way of letting the other guys know the pain I'm
going through? I mean, it's hardly worth it if it's not known far
and wide. Props, man, props.
> You will become addicted to these electronic orgasms and live
> in fear of Computer retribution. As a taste of what can be
> done to you, you will recieve your first orgasm when you click
> below, and then your servitude will begin.
>
> Click here to continue.
<click> <click> <click> <click> <click> <click> <click> <click>
<click> <click> <click> <click> <click> <click> <click> <click>
<click> <click> <click> <click> <click> <click> <click> <click>
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Anything else?
Iconoclast
Jeff Zephyr
<*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:
>In alt.sex.stories.d, Vershnyk <vers...@nym.alias.net> wrote:
>> Gary Jordan wrote:
>> > I googled the alt.sex.story* groups each and severally for story
>> > code FAQs. It seems that the FAQ archived at ASSTR and maintained
>> > by Uther is the only current one.
>
>There is netnews outside of alt.*
Of course. But just now, not a lot of sex stories outside alt.* ;-)
>> The only relevant things that turned up were
>> CONTENT CODES <http://pdonovan.imagine.cx/codes.html>
>> and one of the versions of Dr. Bob's FAQ at
>> <http://www.sexuality.org/l/art/storcode.html> (they need to update,
>> or something, IMHO).
>
>Interesting.
>
>> I think it's possible to have sex-story classification using codes
>> other than MF, MM or FF for basic sex acts, but I don't see evidence of
>> this.
>
>It might be interesting to bring up rec.arts.movies.erotica at this
>point. They have a 'glossary' of terms, rather than a FAQ, and last
>I checked reviews there were summaries of acts shown, sort-of what
>it might be like to have a one paragraphy story based on the keywords
>for something in ASSM.
>
>The glossary is interesting reading though, both for a glimpse at
>the world-view, and the level of detail they want. Some examples:
Not all of them might work well for sex story codes. But the
meanings can be rather interesting.
> DP
> Double Penetration, one parolee's cock in the girl's ass, another cock
> in her pussy. Variations include DAP, DPP.
DP, of some sort, is almost mainstream enough to deserve coding as
an act.
> DAP
> Double Anal Penetration, two cocks in the bunghole
>
> DPP
> Double Pussy Penetration, two cocks in the pussy
Either of these probably don't need sex story coding -- unless
you're writing porn movie scripts. I don't want to sound sheltered or
anything, but I've *never* seen either of these in RL.
> Money Shot
> The sexual and existential climax of a non-lesbian fuck scene. The
> greater the volume, the greater the marketability for reasons
> completely baffling to most porn consumers.
That one is a mystery. If you did it in a sex story on a regular
basis, people might find the story very strange. I don't think it
needs to be a sex story code, but you *definitely* need it for porn
movies.
On the off-chance that someone here doesn't get this, it is a big
time no-no for the guy to come inside the girl, other than in the
mouth. And even there, it seems that it is better to pull out and
come outside, so the camera can catch the "output" on film.
>> > There must be FAQs outside ASS* that vary significantly from
>> > 'ours'. Anyone care to post one as an example?
>> Not me. And I doubt anyone would, because if there existed one,
>
>Rec.arts.erotica has been dead for many years now, a victim of the
>difficultly moderating this sort of group. revived
>alt.sex.stories.moderated as an alternative to it. The r.a.e FAQ
>seems to have been last posted in 1995:
There was a post a while back suggesting that someone might dare to
take up the task again. There seems to be a benefit to having a rec.*
group for erotic writing, but the moderating process makes it harder
to manage. Doing another ASSM doesn't seem helpful.
Though "animal" is clear enough, splitting the action into (best)
and (zoo) to reflect the relationship makes sense. Of course,
spelling problems shouldn't be an issue :-) for good writers.
>* 'mf' 'mm' 'ff' all are gender-contact terms and do not indicate
> age of specifically fucking.
Which does get confusing, but the upper/lower case method of
indicating relative age isn't perfectly followed. Relative ages,
though, are a factor for preferences.
>* A keyword for series.
Series does seem like a nice code to have. Or serial. Something
which makes it clear that a long story is multipart and continuing
just from the codes, not from the presence of a part number. Not all
multipart stories are either series or serials; they can be just long
stories which conclude normally.
Though if you get to novel length on your long story, the difference
might be vague.
>* Discord never followed through on her thread to add an 'eli' keyword
> for my stories.
It seems like a few codes did get suggested in ASSM for specific
author's series/serial/story sets. To recognize them by the letter
codes used, rather than just author names. But that seems transitory,
a useful FAQ but *not* really a story coding thing. Only that author
should use those codes. Some shared universe things, though, might
acquire their own way of marking them.
Some of the codes used above do seem to get used in ASSM, but aren't
in the FAQ. Or they cover activities which aren't in there.
No ADMIN/ANNOUNCE headers in ASSM. They aren't often used, and seem
to apply to the FAQ posts anyway. But I could see adopting them as a
simple way to cover any message from the moderators.
Useful codes which seem missing: group, light, heavy, mutual, bond,
poem. I haven't seen "mutual" used, but it covers an action not in
the FAQ as a specific case.
>Also interesting is that rec.arts.movies.erotica uses 'boy' and 'b'
>for male and 'girl' and 'g' for female without intending them to mean
>underage in any way. 'M' and 'F' (or 'm' and 'f') do not seem to be
>used.
In movies all of the actors would be of age normally anyway, so
indicating relative age isn't a factor.
>Elijah
>------
>finds the contrasting concerns interesting
It is. Figuring out which ones best apply to us sex story writers
is the tricky part.
Uther Pendragon
threads on story codes.
1 (true)
ARRRRRGH!
That shows just how influential the FAQ is. The code (real) has
been in every version of the FAQ since it was founded by Dr. Bob.
So far as I know, we've never mentioned a code (true).
As far as I know, people aren't morally committed to one code or
the other. They just use the one not in the FAQ.
And there is no good way for me to deal with that.
2 (vore)
This was a new addition to the FAQ. It had been used in quite a
few stories which found there way into ASSM. It is a big issue
in some other NGs.
vore Eating (literally) someone or something alive. Think Jonah.
So far, I can only find it in the author's FAQ. I've been a
little slow on this, since I don't read those stories and I'm not
sure I've got the idea right.
3 (caution)
The reader's FAQ currently says:
"caution" Something in the story might offend (or even
sicken) you, but the author isn't telling you what.
Celia objects to this wording. But.
(A) This is precisely the purpose of the code. If you have a
twist which won't squick people, say the story is told from the
POV of the man and he (and the reader) are surprised to discover
that the woman is a virgin, then don't bother to use the code.
Use (Mf) if you don't want to use (Mf 1st); don't use (Mf
caution).
(B) Is it really a service to authors who put a twist into their
stories to say "look out for the twist"? I don't think so.
(caution), itself is a bit of a giveaway. But, since we don't
want to squick readers, this giveaway is unavoidable.
(C) The commonest use is for twists, but the original need came
from ETB's story, "... Crying Baby." My first intention was to
suggest the code be (ETB), but that wouldn't have been
transparent. [Those readers who know Eli are already warned.] What do you
do when there is an element in the story which might squick readers but
isn't in the story codes because nobody thought of this before?
4 (mast)
The fairly-universal English word for sexually stimulating
someone else's genitals manually is "petting." The common, but
not universal [witness Jeff], meaning of "masturbation" is
stimulating oneself -- "self abuse" in the old term. The present
code for that is (solo) which is as clear as we are going to get.
Now Jeff wants a code (mast) for petting. The advantage of this
seems to be that it establishes the minority meaning of
"masturbation" in a frame which may be cited. But, acknowledging
the advantage for Jeff's position, the disadvantage for the
newsgroup is clear. We induce an ambiguity in the codes where
there wasn't one before.
5 Dividers.
5A) / This is ambiguous as hell. And the author's FAQ
[subtleties of coding] warns against it. The reader's FAQ says:
MMM~f means adult men gang-banging a teenaged girl
MMM/f sometimes means adult men gang-banging a teenaged girl
etc.
Here again, this ambiguity -- meaning one thing in the BDSM
community and another outside it -- has been going on for longer
than the five years that the FAQ has been in existance. I don't
know what more could be done in the FAQ.
As far as I can see, almost nobody has picked up on Dr. Bob's
suggestion that you use ~.
(5B) - Again ARRGH! (no-sex) has been in the FAQ forever.
Nobody told me that it doesn't show up on the ASSTR search
engine.
One suggestion I can make is that you DON'T put (sex) in as a
story code. It is, after all, the default.
Eli the Bearded
> 2 (vore)
> This was a new addition to the FAQ. It had been used in quite a
> few stories which found there way into ASSM. It is a big issue
> in some other NGs.
>
> vore Eating (literally) someone or something alive. Think Jonah.
> 3 (caution)
> The reader's FAQ currently says:
> "caution" Something in the story might offend (or even
> sicken) you, but the author isn't telling you what.
> (C) The commonest use is for twists, but the original need came
> from ETB's story, "... Crying Baby." My first intention was to
> suggest the code be (ETB), but that wouldn't have been
> transparent. [Those readers who know Eli are already warned.] What do you
> do when there is an element in the story which might squick readers but
> isn't in the story codes because nobody thought of this before?
Well, the "Train Ride Marked by a Crying Baby" would now be coded
with 'vore' and the squick would be given away. I'm not sure that
I would ever use 'caution' as a subject line warning. A message at
the top of the post, in the same paragraph as the one that has the
"Do not read if you do not like sex" warning would probably be best.
Elijah
------
will write around keywords for fun and profit
den...@tanstaafl.zipcon.net.invalid
forth, saying:
>1 (true)
>ARRRRRGH!
>That shows just how influential the FAQ is. The code (real) has
>been in every version of the FAQ since it was founded by Dr. Bob.
>So far as I know, we've never mentioned a code (true).
>
>As far as I know, people aren't morally committed to one code or
>the other. They just use the one not in the FAQ.
>
>And there is no good way for me to deal with that.
Actually, there is. Put (true) in the FAQ, and in the description of
both it and (real) mention that they're used interchangeably. Or just
make it something like the below (mostly snipped from the Author FAQ):
oops. 'real' not found in the Readers' FAQ. in the Author FAQ, it's
found only as part of 'really' (do we really need...)
(Jan 2002 version of Authors', Aug 2002 version of Readers')
So, from the alpha list of all story-codes
(http://www.asstr.org/~Uther_Pendragon/code/scfr-lng.htm)
real supposedly true
(a) add a line:
true supposedly true (see 'real')
(b) amend (real)
real supposedly true ('true' also used for this)
and Bob's your uncle.
(not your Dr.)
--
-denny- (curmudgeon)
"There are two tragedies in life.
One is to lose your heart's desire. The other is to gain it."
-- G.B. Shaw
Jeff Zephyr
>I'm going to try to comment on several topics from several
>threads on story codes.
>
>
>1 (true)
>ARRRRRGH!
>That shows just how influential the FAQ is. The code (real) has
>been in every version of the FAQ since it was founded by Dr. Bob.
>So far as I know, we've never mentioned a code (true).
>
>As far as I know, people aren't morally committed to one code or
>the other. They just use the one not in the FAQ.
>
>And there is no good way for me to deal with that.
(true) is so intuitive that I guess people use it without bothering
to check the FAQ. While (real) is probably as intuitive, I think that
people say "This is a true story" more often than "This is a real
story." Maybe they say "This really happened, honest to god!" but
that isn't quite the same wording.
>2 (vore)
>This was a new addition to the FAQ. It had been used in quite a
>few stories which found there way into ASSM. It is a big issue
>in some other NGs.
>
>vore Eating (literally) someone or something alive. Think Jonah.
>
>So far, I can only find it in the author's FAQ. I've been a
>little slow on this, since I don't read those stories and I'm not
>sure I've got the idea right.
That is the idea. A whole genre about it, sometimes swallowing
rather than eating (Jonah got to live inside for a long time, and some
of these stories work out that way).
>3 (caution)
>The reader's FAQ currently says:
>"caution" Something in the story might offend (or even
>sicken) you, but the author isn't telling you what.
>Celia objects to this wording. But.
>(A) This is precisely the purpose of the code. If you have a
>twist which won't squick people, say the story is told from the
>POV of the man and he (and the reader) are surprised to discover
>that the woman is a virgin, then don't bother to use the code.
>Use (Mf) if you don't want to use (Mf 1st); don't use (Mf
>caution).
>(B) Is it really a service to authors who put a twist into their
>stories to say "look out for the twist"? I don't think so.
>(caution), itself is a bit of a giveaway. But, since we don't
>want to squick readers, this giveaway is unavoidable.
>(C) The commonest use is for twists, but the original need came
>from ETB's story, "... Crying Baby." My first intention was to
>suggest the code be (ETB), but that wouldn't have been
>transparent. [Those readers who know Eli are already warned.] What do you
>do when there is an element in the story which might squick readers but
>isn't in the story codes because nobody thought of this before?
Caution seems mostly used for covering a hidden squicky code. But
in practice, it is maybe used just to conceal a twist?
Can't say without searching, I think that it is used mostly to cover
"must have" codes, even though in some cases the thing covered is only
mildly squicky.
>4 (mast)
>The fairly-universal English word for sexually stimulating
>someone else's genitals manually is "petting." The common, but
>not universal [witness Jeff], meaning of "masturbation" is
>stimulating oneself -- "self abuse" in the old term. The present
>code for that is (solo) which is as clear as we are going to get.
Petting isn't so universal. It seems to fit what teens do
sometimes, but when it comes to getting direct "feels", "fingering,"
and "handjobs," I think that the intensity is past mere "petting."
Plus, petting is often doable through clothing, whereas the direct
contact masturbation of another really is a different kind of action.
>Now Jeff wants a code (mast) for petting. The advantage of this
>seems to be that it establishes the minority meaning of
>"masturbation" in a frame which may be cited. But, acknowledging
>the advantage for Jeff's position, the disadvantage for the
>newsgroup is clear. We induce an ambiguity in the codes where
>there wasn't one before.
I don't like (mast) because it is ambiguous, but it is already in
place in many stories. (pett), OTOH, doesn't seem to get used much
except for the light contact, often through clothing, sorts of
petting.
(solo) doesn't work for when someone does it to someone else. So,
what is the proper code for when a girl gives a boy a handjob, but no
other sex?
Note that as with (true) vs (real), (mast) is used a fair bit. (hj)
for handjob isn't used often. And (pett), as spelled out in the FAQ,
isn't clearly for light petting, through the clothes heavy petting,
and direct full contact to completion manual sex.
I know that you use it, but others don't so much. I just think that
the (pett) code covers some of the action, but not the all out
explicit naked contact sorts of manual sex. Not intuitively, and not
really from the wording in the FAQ.
What code to use, that is a mystery. I've used (mast) (at the
recommendation of an editor, by example maybe but (solo) is obviously
not right for the action done to another), and have considered (hand)
as a code for manual sex on another.
(mast) is ambiguous but it is used (definitely needs to be mentioned
on a list of codes in use). While we could define it to mean non-solo
manual sex, I doubt that would be perfectly intuitive. But sometimes,
the codes aren't intuitive.
>(5B) - Again ARRGH! (no-sex) has been in the FAQ forever.
>Nobody told me that it doesn't show up on the ASSTR search
>engine.
>
>One suggestion I can make is that you DON'T put (sex) in as a
>story code. It is, after all, the default.
For the (nosex) vs. (no-sex) thing, maybe no one thought about it
much. When I started coding, I just "naturally" left out the hyphen
without thinking, because search keywords *never* have hyphens.
tenyari
wrote:
>
>>http://www.faqs.org/faqs/erotica-faq/
>>
>>The keywords rec.arts.erotica used were definately a different system
>>than the FAQ Uther maintains: they are case insensitive for example.
This makes sense, searching can't deal with casing as we're recently
finding out.
You can code it to though. But it hasn't in past as in the general
world of things mAkiNg caSinG errors is vEry comMon...
>>I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say it varies 'significantly; though.
>>These were supplied by the moderators, not the authors, a daunting task.
>>
>>Here's the list:
>>
>> admin: administrative announcements, indexes of stories, etc.
>> animal: bestiality and animals
>> annc: announcements other than administrative: freeware, etc.
>> furry: sentient non-human characters (e.g. "Journal Entries")
>> gothic: vampires and other Gothic subjects (e.g. "Night Music")
>> hist: historical/medieval pieces that do -not- necessarily fall into
>> the genre of "speculative fiction"
>> poem: poetry
>> series: long stories split into sections (e.g. "Marie")
>> tv: cross-dressing, feminization
>>
>>Some things to note:
A number of these seem good to adopt.
I've left in above the ones I'm not sure if we cover already. Do we?
I would add a few more in my desired list.
A few genre ones for instance... super, mystery, action, and so on.
Cover the categories in your average book store, video shop, or comic
shop.
>>* 'mf' 'mm' 'ff' all are gender-contact terms and do not indicate
>> age of specifically fucking.
>
> Which does get confusing, but the upper/lower case method of
>indicating relative age isn't perfectly followed. Relative ages,
>though, are a factor for preferences.
As we know, casing isn't working in the search engines.
However... casing has been used here for a LONG time...
So the solution is to code the engine to be case sensitive.
If it was/is done in JSP, I know how to do such and it's not -too-
hard. It's just a matter of free time. Something to stick into some
other task unless it suddenly becomes a priority...
Fortunately we use b and g for really young participants, where the
-squick factor- is likely to come in.
M, F, m, f are all less likely to be hot zones if returned
incorrectly. People might get a little edgy over 15 year olds getting
it on. But it's a normal part of human behavior and prior to the
industrial age, that was an adult. So while you can get objections,
you don't get scandal or squick like you do with a 6 year old.
> Useful codes which seem missing: group, light, heavy, mutual, bond,
For group, isn't this F+ or some such?
>> DP
>> Double Penetration, one parolee's cock in the girl's ass, another cock
>> in her pussy. Variations include DAP, DPP.
>
> DP, of some sort, is almost mainstream enough to deserve coding as
>an act.
I've always seen it in the same place I see MM.
It's kind of an MM act using a toy that thinks and feels for people
that refuse to admit their into MM. :)
If you find MM squicky, you might find DP squicky.
Well... that's how I see it. If a guy wants DP, I'll just introduce
him around some o' the boyz in the Castro. (San Francisco's gay
district) Let him get what he really wants but is too afraid to admit
to.
>> DAP
>> Double Anal Penetration, two cocks in the bunghole
>>
>> DPP
>> Double Pussy Penetration, two cocks in the pussy
>
> Either of these probably don't need sex story coding -- unless
>you're writing porn movie scripts. I don't want to sound sheltered or
>anything, but I've *never* seen either of these in RL.
Those sound very difficult to manage unless you have some very unusual
genitalia involved. Or maybe I'm just a little innocent. I'm trying to
work out the physics behind the positioning, but my mind just can't
put it together...
>> Money Shot
>> The sexual and existential climax of a non-lesbian fuck scene. The
>> greater the volume, the greater the marketability for reasons
>> completely baffling to most porn consumers.
Most men actually have a bit of MM desire in them...? :)
This is a -safe- way of expressing it?
Unless the customer base of hetro-women who like 'getting it on the
face' has greatly expanded...
--
Tenyari
writer in progress ( http://www.asstr.org/~tenyari/ ).
If he tells you "he'd slept with four girls one night, you could figure it was about a girl and a half.
Eli the Bearded
[rec.arts.erotica keyword list]
>>> admin: administrative announcements, indexes of stories, etc.
>>> animal: bestiality and animals
>>> annc: announcements other than administrative: freeware, etc.
>>> furry: sentient non-human characters (e.g. "Journal Entries")
>>> gothic: vampires and other Gothic subjects (e.g. "Night Music")
>>> hist: historical/medieval pieces that do -not- necessarily fall
>>> into the genre of "speculative fiction"
>>> poem: poetry
>>> series: long stories split into sections (e.g. "Marie")
>>> tv: cross-dressing, feminization
Admin/annc might not need to be on any official list. When I was
moderating I used '[admin]' on administrative posts without worrying
about the keyword list.
'goth' might be better than 'gothic' since it seems to be more commonly
used.
> I would add a few more in my desired list.
> A few genre ones for instance... super, mystery, action, and so on.
> Cover the categories in your average book store, video shop, or comic
> shop.
Do action and mystery apply to much that gets posted? Certainly there
have been plenty of superhero stories.
> > Useful codes which seem missing: group, light, heavy, mutual, bond,
> For group, isn't this F+ or some such?
Various codes like that are used, but if you like 'FFFM' stuff, you'll
probably like 'FFFFM' stuff so that gets to be a searching problem, and
the search engine isn't likely to match 'F+M' as a literal.
Group however does suffer from failing to differentiate between
M+F+ multiple men and multiple women
MF+ one man and multiple women
M+F multiple men and one woman
>> DP, of some sort, is almost mainstream enough to deserve coding as
>> an act.
If we include oral, then more than double penetration is possible.
And what about male-in-male-male type chains?
> I've always seen it in the same place I see MM.
I think it sometimes applies to dildo-in-slot-a, dick-in-slot-b
stuff too.
> It's kind of an MM act using a toy that thinks and feels for people
> that refuse to admit their into MM. :)
Huh? I don't follow you.
> Well... that's how I see it. If a guy wants DP, I'll just introduce
> him around some o' the boyz in the Castro. (San Francisco's gay
> district) Let him get what he really wants but is too afraid to admit
> to.
When I wore my medival king costume to the Castro Halloween festival
I had several offers of queens. I had not expected that was quite
amused.
> >> DAP
> >> Double Anal Penetration, two cocks in the bunghole
> >>
> >> DPP
> >> Double Pussy Penetration, two cocks in the pussy
> >
> > Either of these probably don't need sex story coding -- unless
> >you're writing porn movie scripts. I don't want to sound sheltered or
> >anything, but I've *never* seen either of these in RL.
>
> Those sound very difficult to manage unless you have some very unusual
> genitalia involved. Or maybe I'm just a little innocent. I'm trying to
> work out the physics behind the positioning, but my mind just can't
> put it together...
They are sexual stunts that probably don't exist outside of the adult
entertainment industry. A typical method would be a guy lying down, a
woman lying on top, and then a man on top of her. Longer than average
dicks and thinner than average women probably help a lot.
Elijah
------
DAP and DPP are not for the homophobic parolee
Shadow Wolf
news:eli$02081...@qz.little-neck.ny.us:
I'd just assume two occurrences means "two or more":
MMF: Multiple men, one woman
FFM: Multiple women, one man
MMFF: Multiple Women and Men
and for same-sex groups, use three letters:
FFF: At least three women
MMM: At least three men
These are easily searchable (barring case issues, of course), and you can
generally assume that if someone's interested in, for example, F+M, that
they don't really care whether it's 2 women or three women or a couple of
hundred women (e.g. NanoVirus).
>>> DP, of some sort, is almost mainstream enough to deserve coding as
>>> an act.
>
> If we include oral, then more than double penetration is possible.
> And what about male-in-male-male type chains?
>
>> I've always seen it in the same place I see MM.
>
> I think it sometimes applies to dildo-in-slot-a, dick-in-slot-b
> stuff too.
>
>> It's kind of an MM act using a toy that thinks and feels for people
>> that refuse to admit their into MM. :)
>
> Huh? I don't follow you.
>
It's a common theory among some (which I don't buy), that any guy who wants
to have his dick that close to another guy's must be a repressed
homosexual.
As I said, I don't buy it. I see a _lot_ of DP porn which doesn't have any
intimate contact between the men at all. This includes both pictures and
stories. This porn tends to be mainstream stuff (in fact, almost any
gangbang scene is _guaranteed_ to have DP).
Also, as you mentioned, there are quite a few FFM double penetrations (with
the assistance of a strapon, of course). I find those quite sexy, but
then I'm fond of FF-strapon sex, as well as F+M sex, and anal sex (as long
as it's a woman getting buggered), and combining all of those in one is
great! (Call me shallow.)
Ditto with the "money shot" comment Tenyari made. It has nothing to do with
repressed homosexuality, and more to do with "proving" that the orgasm is
"real."
I see very few stories with "money shots" -- _Jack's Family Saga_ by DavidB
is the only major one that comes to mind (so to speak).
Jeff Zephyr
wrote:
>On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:03:28 -0600, Jeff Zephyr <jeff...@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>
>>
>>>http://www.faqs.org/faqs/erotica-faq/
>>>
>>>The keywords rec.arts.erotica used were definately a different system
>>>than the FAQ Uther maintains: they are case insensitive for example.
>
>This makes sense, searching can't deal with casing as we're recently
>finding out.
>
>You can code it to though. But it hasn't in past as in the general
>world of things mAkiNg caSinG errors is vEry comMon...
But as a goal, making it case sensitive because it is in use *and*
is a concise way to code seems sensible.
Case errors aren't so much the issue, for participants, as is the
case not being treated as significant by the coder. So you get
"wrong" results, when you search, with M used for kids and f used for
adult women.
>>>I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say it varies 'significantly; though.
>>>These were supplied by the moderators, not the authors, a daunting task.
>>>
>>>Here's the list:
>>>
>>> admin: administrative announcements, indexes of stories, etc.
>>> animal: bestiality and animals
>>> annc: announcements other than administrative: freeware, etc.
>>> furry: sentient non-human characters (e.g. "Journal Entries")
>>> gothic: vampires and other Gothic subjects (e.g. "Night Music")
>>> hist: historical/medieval pieces that do -not- necessarily fall into
>>> the genre of "speculative fiction"
>>> poem: poetry
>>> series: long stories split into sections (e.g. "Marie")
>>> tv: cross-dressing, feminization
>>>
>>>Some things to note:
>
>A number of these seem good to adopt.
>
>I've left in above the ones I'm not sure if we cover already. Do we?
tv classed under tg, but the actual distinction matters when you are
working with stories within that genre.
>I would add a few more in my desired list.
>A few genre ones for instance... super, mystery, action, and so on.
>Cover the categories in your average book store, video shop, or comic
>shop.
For those categories which generate some substantial groups of sex
stories, yes. If not being so much content codes, as some sort of
genre explanation for those stories which aren't just about sex.
>>>* 'mf' 'mm' 'ff' all are gender-contact terms and do not indicate
>>> age of specifically fucking.
>>
>> Which does get confusing, but the upper/lower case method of
>>indicating relative age isn't perfectly followed. Relative ages,
>>though, are a factor for preferences.
>
>As we know, casing isn't working in the search engines.
>
>However... casing has been used here for a LONG time...
>
>So the solution is to code the engine to be case sensitive.
>
>If it was/is done in JSP, I know how to do such and it's not -too-
>hard. It's just a matter of free time. Something to stick into some
>other task unless it suddenly becomes a priority...
>
>Fortunately we use b and g for really young participants, where the
>-squick factor- is likely to come in.
>
>M, F, m, f are all less likely to be hot zones if returned
>incorrectly. People might get a little edgy over 15 year olds getting
>it on. But it's a normal part of human behavior and prior to the
>industrial age, that was an adult. So while you can get objections,
>you don't get scandal or squick like you do with a 6 year old.
The secondary age group codes teen, preteen, and pedo (or is it
ped?) work to add some other distinctions.
>> Useful codes which seem missing: group, light, heavy, mutual, bond,
>
>For group, isn't this F+ or some such?
It fits more than one setting, whereas group sex fans might want to
do a simple search. It is somewhat redundant, but it simplifies
searching for all stories which are about group sex activities. Which
*is* a kind of swinging situation, whereas orgy is something even
bigger as a group.
The M+ or F+ things sometimes work, but you also need to look for
MMF, MFF, MMMF, MFMF, and other groupings. (group) would get all of
those where the author decided that the group sex *was* part of the
scene.
Plus, some M+F scenes are really sequential MF ones, not really a
group activity. The (group) designation makes it more clear that more
than two people get it on at once.
>>> DP
>>> Double Penetration, one parolee's cock in the girl's ass, another cock
>>> in her pussy. Variations include DAP, DPP.
>>
>> DP, of some sort, is almost mainstream enough to deserve coding as
>>an act.
>
>I've always seen it in the same place I see MM.
>It's kind of an MM act using a toy that thinks and feels for people
>that refuse to admit their into MM. :)
Maybe, but I think it is more about two guys paying more attention
to one girl than they might manage otherwise. In porn, I don't know
that this is always the case, but for RL play that seems to fit more.
Besides, you don't have to be into MM. Just have to not be phobic
about male contact.
>If you find MM squicky, you might find DP squicky.
Maybe. But I think in general, you need to be comfortable with MM
contact, at least the touching sort, in order to do any nice MMF
scenes at all. I don't think that has to involve any squickiness --
though it does seem that a lot of males *aren't* comfy with that kind
of scene.
Me, I find it a lot of fun. Seems like a great way to treat a lady.
>Well... that's how I see it. If a guy wants DP, I'll just introduce
>him around some o' the boyz in the Castro. (San Francisco's gay
>district) Let him get what he really wants but is too afraid to admit
>to.
Well, I don't know. Maybe the guy is into that, maybe he is just
comfortable with his own sexuality and doesn't mind close contact with
another male, but isn't into MM stuff. Just like women, who seem to
have no problems with a MFF scene even if neither female is into
women.
>>> DAP
>>> Double Anal Penetration, two cocks in the bunghole
>>>
>>> DPP
>>> Double Pussy Penetration, two cocks in the pussy
>>
>> Either of these probably don't need sex story coding -- unless
>>you're writing porn movie scripts. I don't want to sound sheltered or
>>anything, but I've *never* seen either of these in RL.
>
>Those sound very difficult to manage unless you have some very unusual
>genitalia involved. Or maybe I'm just a little innocent. I'm trying to
>work out the physics behind the positioning, but my mind just can't
>put it together...
Maybe it counts dildo use, but the positioning isn't so much
different from the basic DP situation. It requires a bit more work to
squeeze the two guys in -- and lots of lube ;-)
>>> Money Shot
>>> The sexual and existential climax of a non-lesbian fuck scene. The
>>> greater the volume, the greater the marketability for reasons
>>> completely baffling to most porn consumers.
>
>Most men actually have a bit of MM desire in them...? :)
>This is a -safe- way of expressing it?
To show that the sex is real. Why, I don't know -- it has been that
way for over 30 years, probably longer, and I still don't see the
point. If they are in direct contact, what does it matter if the
orgasm shown in real or not? They don't seem to care about the female
"money shots" nearly so often :-(
Which I like seeing, of course.
>Unless the customer base of hetro-women who like 'getting it on the
>face' has greatly expanded...
Not that I've noticed. Every now and again, maybe. Leaking out of
the mouth, both sexes can manage that in oral sex. All the time,
though, just seems a bit much.
Jeff Zephyr
<*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:
>In alt.sex.stories.d, tenyari <tenyar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>[rec.arts.erotica keyword list]
>>>> admin: administrative announcements, indexes of stories, etc.
>>>> animal: bestiality and animals
>>>> annc: announcements other than administrative: freeware, etc.
>>>> furry: sentient non-human characters (e.g. "Journal Entries")
>>>> gothic: vampires and other Gothic subjects (e.g. "Night Music")
>>>> hist: historical/medieval pieces that do -not- necessarily fall
>>>> into the genre of "speculative fiction"
>>>> poem: poetry
>>>> series: long stories split into sections (e.g. "Marie")
>>>> tv: cross-dressing, feminization
>> I've left in above the ones I'm not sure if we cover already. Do we?
>
>Admin/annc might not need to be on any official list. When I was
>moderating I used '[admin]' on administrative posts without worrying
>about the keyword list.
Right, just use it, no need to list it.
>'goth' might be better than 'gothic' since it seems to be more commonly
>used.
I think goth is on the code list anyway.
>> I would add a few more in my desired list.
>> A few genre ones for instance... super, mystery, action, and so on.
>> Cover the categories in your average book store, video shop, or comic
>> shop.
>
>Do action and mystery apply to much that gets posted? Certainly there
>have been plenty of superhero stories.
When it is, there are times when I'd want to see them without having
to know that the story *is* one of them. The number of mystery,
detective, and action stories isn't great, but they stand out as a
distinctly different sort than the classic "sex stories about sex"
types.
I think that they are valid genres to spot with labelling, as much
as romance is.
>> > Useful codes which seem missing: group, light, heavy, mutual, bond,
>> For group, isn't this F+ or some such?
>
>Various codes like that are used, but if you like 'FFFM' stuff, you'll
>probably like 'FFFFM' stuff so that gets to be a searching problem, and
>the search engine isn't likely to match 'F+M' as a literal.
>
>Group however does suffer from failing to differentiate between
>
> M+F+ multiple men and multiple women
> MF+ one man and multiple women
> M+F multiple men and one woman
Group seems to me to be a nice way to group :-) them all together.
While you can search for the various combos, (group) will get all
those stories which involve group sex. You can always add some
participant codes to narrow it down.
Like swinging (swing?), group covers a sort of sex genre. Anything
where there are fans of that sort of story deserves consideration for
its own keyword.
>> It's kind of an MM act using a toy that thinks and feels for people
>> that refuse to admit their into MM. :)
>
>Huh? I don't follow you.
DP has some pretty close contact between the two males. However, I
disagree, because two hetero males -- or at least mostly so -- can be
comfortable with direct naked contact without wanting to do it without
a girl in-between.
A given watcher, though, might use the scene as a kind of subliminal
MM, coming really close to that without being so. But then, a MF anal
can have the same feel. I don't know that you can read in subliminal
"codings" into a scene -- but a writer of a MF anal scene certainly
could make it sound just like a nice MM or Mm one.
See-El
> Rec.arts.erotica has been dead for many years now, a victim of the
> difficultly moderating this sort of group. revived
> alt.sex.stories.moderated as an alternative to it.
I think it was earlier just this year that the moderator posted a
call for new moderators.
The charter made the group unsustainable at a time when the number of
posters were relatively light. I think it would be insane to inspect
and review, and pass on the number of stories that could be submitted
today.
For those who do not know, alt.sex.stories.moderated was believed to
be too similar to rec.arts.erotica, and the only reason it exists
today is that those creating the group were more stubborn than those
removing the group.
See-El
Hurray for stubbornness.
Alexis Siefert
>Date: 8/13/2002 2:39 PM Alaskan Standard Time
>Message-id: <3d597cd4$0$3568$272e...@news.execpc.com>
>
<...>
> (true) is so intuitive that I guess people use it without bothering
>to check the FAQ. While (real) is probably as intuitive, I think that
>people say "This is a true story" more often than "This is a real
>story." Maybe they say "This really happened, honest to god!" but
>that isn't quite the same wording.
So, what's the difference between a fairy tale and a cowboy story?
The fairy tale starts, "Once upon a time..."
The cowboy story starts, "No shit. This really happened!"
Alexis.
(been waiting ages for the right moment to use that joke. Thanks, Jeff)
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>
> The cowboy story starts, "No shit. This really happened!"
>
> Alexis.
You have passed the preliminaries. You mission now, should you decide to
accept it, is to tell us the difference between cowboy boots and truck
driver boots.
cmsix
"Alexis Siefert" <alexisi...@aol.communicate> wrote in message
news:20020814010039...@mb-fk.aol.com...
tenyari
<*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:
>In alt.sex.stories.d, tenyari <tenyar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I would add a few more in my desired list.
>> A few genre ones for instance... super, mystery, action, and so on.
>> Cover the categories in your average book store, video shop, or comic
>> shop.
>
>Do action and mystery apply to much that gets posted? Certainly there
>have been plenty of superhero stories.
Got me. :)
I was just trying to be a completest and ensure I didn't get a "You're
obviously anti-(insert my thang here)" flame.
Better to get flamed for what I do say than what I fail to say. :)
>> > Useful codes which seem missing: group, light, heavy, mutual, bond,
>> For group, isn't this F+ or some such?
>
>Various codes like that are used, but if you like 'FFFM' stuff, you'll
>probably like 'FFFFM' stuff so that gets to be a searching problem, and
I dunno, that's one too many F's for me... :)
Competition starts to get fierce after a point y'know. ;)
FFFFFM on the other hand...
:)
>the search engine isn't likely to match 'F+M' as a literal.
It will probably hack up on the '+' sign. We seem to be using a fairly
standard search engine -which is no surprise-. Some goon back in 93 or
94 decided to tokenize EVERYTHING that wasn't a-z,A-Z,0-9 and use an
String.ignoreCase() routine of some kind...
And programmers since have been following the herd...
ASSTR is the first time I've even seen this issue come up, so it's no
surprise.
Even if we fix the ASSTR/ASSM search engines, there's still the people
who search from Google...
>>> DP, of some sort, is almost mainstream enough to deserve coding as
>>> an act.
>
>If we include oral, then more than double penetration is possible.
>And what about male-in-male-male type chains?
>
>> I've always seen it in the same place I see MM.
>
>I think it sometimes applies to dildo-in-slot-a, dick-in-slot-b
>stuff too.
See... a Dildo's pretty different than some hairy thang hang'n onto yo
backside and make'n googly eyes at his homie...
>> It's kind of an MM act using a toy that thinks and feels for people
>> that refuse to admit their into MM. :)
>
>Huh? I don't follow you.
When you've got DP going in the sense I understand the term, you've
got two men with a woman sandwiched between them. Too me, that's a
very manly image in the Village People sort of definition of manly.
From the guys I've known into the act, the woman is really just a
proxy for them to make out with each other without admitting they have
a thing for each other... They've always sat there and gone on for
hours talking about how great the other one was... How it was the
friend of their life... and so on... They make me think of closet gays
more than anything else.
Ok... So I'm biased and have a bit of a mioptic perception of the
issue. :) (-shrug-)
I've got a lot of respect for gays, but not so much for people who
stay in the closet. Unless they live somewhere were it can get them
killed, in which case I feel compassion for them...
>> >> DAP
>> >> Double Anal Penetration, two cocks in the bunghole
>> >> DPP
>> >> Double Pussy Penetration, two cocks in the pussy
>> >
>> > Either of these probably don't need sex story coding -- unless
>> >you're writing porn movie scripts. I don't want to sound sheltered or
>> >anything, but I've *never* seen either of these in RL.
>>
>> Those sound very difficult to manage unless you have some very unusual
>> genitalia involved. Or maybe I'm just a little innocent. I'm trying to
>> work out the physics behind the positioning, but my mind just can't
>> put it together...
>
>They are sexual stunts that probably don't exist outside of the adult
>entertainment industry. A typical method would be a guy lying down, a
>woman lying on top, and then a man on top of her. Longer than average
>dicks and thinner than average women probably help a lot.
Seems to me you'd need longer in the 16+ inch category... :)
I haven't seen the movie though... so maybe I'm just having trouble
with the visual.
The woman would have to be thinner than Kobe Tai or that lady from
that comedy-Lawyer TV show... (I don't watch TV...)
Alexis Siefert
>Date: 8/13/2002 9:56 PM Alaskan Standard Time
>Message-id: <%hm69.985$I6.7...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>
>
>> The fairy tale starts, "Once upon a time..."
>>
>> The cowboy story starts, "No shit. This really happened!"
>>
>> Alexis.
>
>You have passed the preliminaries. You mission now, should you decide to
>accept it, is to tell us the difference between cowboy boots and truck
>driver boots.
>
>cmsix
Okay, I'll give it a shot. But it requires the telling of a very short story:
A kid walked up to a guy wearing a 10-gallon hat, leather vest, leather chaps,
and sneakers. The kid asked him, "Mr. Cowboy, why do you wear that big hat?"
The cowboy replied, "Well, son, the big hat protects me from hot sun and
driving rain, and at night I put it over my face when I sleep on the range, so
it protects me then, too."
"Why do you wear that leather vest?" asked the kid.
"It also helps to keep the weather off me, and it has pockets where I can keep
my valuables," replied the cowboy.
"Well, why do you wear leather chaps?"
"They protect my legs when I'm driving my horse through mesquite and cactus."
"Well, Mr. Cowboy," the kid finally asked, "Why do you wear sneakers?"
"That's so somebody won't think I'm a damn truck driver."
~~~~~
How's that?
Alexis.
tenyari
>>
>>For group, isn't this F+ or some such?
>
>MMF, MFF, MMMF, MFMF, and other groupings. (group) would get all of
>those where the author decided that the group sex *was* part of the
>scene.
Actually you only need to search for MMF and MFF, maybe FMM and FFM as
well
MMF for example, will return everything from MMF to an infinite number
of M's before an F (which I will shorthand to [M*n]F for discussion
purposes).
Searching for MF will also return all MMF to [M*n]F's
cmsix
>
> Alexis.
Good enough. However the technical difference it that a cowboy's boots have
the shit on the outside.
cmsix
"Alexis Siefert" <alexisi...@aol.communicate> wrote in message
news:20020814020841...@mb-fk.aol.com...
Stasya T. Canine
> A good plan. What I've seen, though, are just older versions or
> slight variants of the FAQ used here. Eli points out the rae FAQ, which
> has some nice points -- things maybe worth adding -- but the usage isn't
> much like that in any of the common sex story groups.
>
> Still, any good ideas from elsewhere are worth adopting or adapting.
> But the sex story code patterns used in the sex story groups seem pretty
> similar to those in the FAQ. It is just that some coding practices used
> *aren't* in the FAQ, or aren't spelled out neatly.
Way in the past I saw a FAQ of sorts for the bdsm lifestylers group that
covered acronyms more than it did codes but it did cover special codes for
that group of people. Can't remember what you'd search on to find it.
Back when Dr Bob maintained the code FAQ, I created an 'authorized
section' that was added when the code FAQ was posted to alt.sex.bestiality
and in the FAQ area on my site. It was mostly a compilation of the
special codes used in the ng with a few suggestions I made regarding
species/gender distinctions. No point in digging for it since it makes
more sense to follow the current usage in the furry world (and the rare
ASS* stories) to code any zoo/best stuff.
I think a few other groups had info posts that described the differences
in meaning within their type of activity when it was different from the
ASS FAQ.
As for adopting and/or adapting from the codes from other ngs, I suspect
the current FAQ reflects that already.
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tenyari
wrote:
>
>>(5B) - Again ARRGH! (no-sex) has been in the FAQ forever.
>>Nobody told me that it doesn't show up on the ASSTR search
>>engine.
>>
> For the (nosex) vs. (no-sex) thing, maybe no one thought about it
>much. When I started coding, I just "naturally" left out the hyphen
>without thinking, because search keywords *never* have hyphens.
Am I the first person to try and run things through the search engine?
What's the history on the code development?
How many of them predate the web as an archive and or even for
posting?
In the Usenet only days, an archive would exist in an FTP site and you
have to go rooting around to find anything you wanted -manually
reading readme files where they existed.
I can see all of the search incompatible codes coming about from this.
At that point in time it would simply not have been a concern.
Presently, we're stuck with a number of them. Such as the casing in M,
F, m, and f.
We can't really change those codes, so we have to live with them until
and unless the search engines improve. Of course, we have no control
over engines such as Google.
for the codes with dashes, it's hard to say how widespread their use
if, since we can't accurately dig them out.
We could simply change the FAQ to list their non dashed version, and
then put in a note saying that it may occur with a dash in some
places, but should not be coded as such in future. If the search
engine issue ever clears up on it, we'll then be able to finally find
those stories.
tenyari
>
>we also thought that the faq was a reflection of codes used to help ppl
>understand them, rather than the how-to-post-tutorial. maybe we were wrong?
I see it as both.
Hammon Wry
Siefert) wrote:
>
>A kid walked up to a guy wearing a 10-gallon hat, leather vest, leather chaps,
>and sneakers. The kid asked him, "Mr. Cowboy, why do you wear that big hat?"
>
>The cowboy replied, "Well, son, the big hat protects me from hot sun and
>driving rain, and at night I put it over my face when I sleep on the range, so
>it protects me then, too."
>
>"Why do you wear that leather vest?" asked the kid.
>
>"It also helps to keep the weather off me, and it has pockets where I can keep
>my valuables," replied the cowboy.
>
>"Well, why do you wear leather chaps?"
>
>"They protect my legs when I'm driving my horse through mesquite and cactus."
>
>"Well, Mr. Cowboy," the kid finally asked, "Why do you wear sneakers?"
>
>"That's so somebody won't think I'm a damn truck driver."
>~~~~~
>
>How's that?
>
>Alexis.
Heh.
Little Johnny goes to the boardwalk, and while there decides to use
the head *.
As he enters the bathroom, he sees a US Marine in full uniform. "Are
you a MARINE?" says Little Johnny, his voice full of awe.
"Why yes, I am, son. Whould you like to wear my hat?"
"SURE!!!" Exclaims little Johnny over the honor.
The Marine removes his cover, and places it on Little Johnny's head,
and it promptly slides down over his beaming face.
As he is pushing it back, a US Navy Sailor comes in, obviously
intoxicated.
Little Johnny is again impressed, and bubbles "Are you a SAILOR?"
The Drunken Sailor slurs a reply: "Yeah, brat, you wanna suck my
dick?"
Little Johnny replies indignantly: "Hey, mister, I'm not a Marine, I'm
just holding his hat!"
Hammon Wry
USN ASE2
*head: toilet, bathroom.
cmsix
> F, m, and f.
I hesitate to tell this but I will. Case can be searched but it requires
FTPing all the files to your computer and finding and installing a search
program that will differentiate case. It takes a long time to even download
one year over a dialup but I have done it before. It is also a bother that
at some time in the past the .txt extension seems to have been left off the
files. This requires installing a program to rename files in mass, to add
the extension.
I know that this is not a meaningful way to search for stories to read,
however if anything is ever to be changed significantly for the older
stories this would be the way to do it.
cmsix
"tenyari" <tenyar...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:jm7klust9tcfa7dal...@4ax.com...
Jeff Zephyr
Siefert) wrote:
>>Jeff Zephyr jeff...@hotmail.com
>>Date: 8/13/2002 2:39 PM Alaskan Standard Time
>>Message-id: <3d597cd4$0$3568$272e...@news.execpc.com>
>>
>
><...>
>
>> (true) is so intuitive that I guess people use it without bothering
>>to check the FAQ. While (real) is probably as intuitive, I think that
>>people say "This is a true story" more often than "This is a real
>>story." Maybe they say "This really happened, honest to god!" but
>>that isn't quite the same wording.
>
>So, what's the difference between a fairy tale and a cowboy story?
>
>The fairy tale starts, "Once upon a time..."
>
>The cowboy story starts, "No shit. This really happened!"
>
>Alexis.
>(been waiting ages for the right moment to use that joke. Thanks, Jeff)
Hmm, I'd heard that more often as the defintion of a sea story. But
I figure that it works for cowboys too.
>
>ftp://ftp.asstr.org/pub/Authors/Alexis_S/
>http://www.asstr.org/~Alexis_S/
>Celebrating the Events of ASSD/ASSM/ASSTR:
>http://www.asstr.org/~Alexis_S/HIA_Events.htm
>The Web's Best Illustrated Adult Fiction is at http://www.ruthiesclub.com/
--
cmsix
"I'm not a Cowboy. I just found this hat."
cmsix
Jeff Zephyr
wrote:
>On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:31:48 +0000 (UTC), Eli the Bearded
><*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:
>
>>In alt.sex.stories.d, tenyari <tenyar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I would add a few more in my desired list.
>>> A few genre ones for instance... super, mystery, action, and so on.
>>> Cover the categories in your average book store, video shop, or comic
>>> shop.
>>
>
>>> > Useful codes which seem missing: group, light, heavy, mutual, bond,
>>> For group, isn't this F+ or some such?
>>
>>Various codes like that are used, but if you like 'FFFM' stuff, you'll
>>probably like 'FFFFM' stuff so that gets to be a searching problem, and
>
>I dunno, that's one too many F's for me... :)
>Competition starts to get fierce after a point y'know. ;)
>
>FFFFFM on the other hand...
>
>:)
Hmm, isn't that just one more of the same :-)
>>the search engine isn't likely to match 'F+M' as a literal.
>
>It will probably hack up on the '+' sign. We seem to be using a fairly
>standard search engine -which is no surprise-. Some goon back in 93 or
>94 decided to tokenize EVERYTHING that wasn't a-z,A-Z,0-9 and use an
>String.ignoreCase() routine of some kind...
I'd imagine you can search on it, but it requires escaping the "+"
sign or other punctuation.
>>> It's kind of an MM act using a toy that thinks and feels for people
>>> that refuse to admit their into MM. :)
>>
>>Huh? I don't follow you.
>
>When you've got DP going in the sense I understand the term, you've
>got two men with a woman sandwiched between them. Too me, that's a
>very manly image in the Village People sort of definition of manly.
>
>From the guys I've known into the act, the woman is really just a
>proxy for them to make out with each other without admitting they have
>a thing for each other... They've always sat there and gone on for
>hours talking about how great the other one was... How it was the
>friend of their life... and so on... They make me think of closet gays
>more than anything else.
>
>Ok... So I'm biased and have a bit of a mioptic perception of the
>issue. :) (-shrug-)
Probably :-)
I can't help out too much on the RL thing. Some of the talk among
us boys might be rather "closeted," but the door wasn't closed very
far. Still, I can't see it as being only or mostly closet gay thing.
It may apply in porn movies (lots of male stars do gay work), but I do
believe that a guy can touch another guy, sometimes intimately, while
being no more gay than girls touching the same way.
Seems like a double standard.
Though in porn movies, it *is* a double standard because the girls
do FF scenes in mainstream while MM scenes put it outside the "for
everyone" genre.
>I've got a lot of respect for gays, but not so much for people who
>stay in the closet. Unless they live somewhere were it can get them
>killed, in which case I feel compassion for them...
The guys who pretend that the sex with boys doesn't make them gay?
I think that is about the same as the girls who only do it to please
their boyfriends, or to relax, or whatever other explanation is given
for why it is OK to sometimes do it, but not to have a relationship
with another woman.
It isn't at all easy to be gay. It would be more fair if it was OK
to be in the open, but in RL there are too many places and situations
where it isn't safe to do that.
Jeff Zephyr
wrote:
>On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:36:23 -0600, Jeff Zephyr <jeff...@hotmail.com>
>>On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:02:17 GMT, tenyari <tenyar...@hotmail.com>
>>>> Useful codes which seem missing: group, light, heavy, mutual, bond,
>>>
>>>For group, isn't this F+ or some such?
>>
>> The M+ or F+ things sometimes work, but you also need to look for
>>MMF, MFF, MMMF, MFMF, and other groupings. (group) would get all of
>>those where the author decided that the group sex *was* part of the
>>scene.
>
>Actually you only need to search for MMF and MFF, maybe FMM and FFM as
>well
>
>MMF for example, will return everything from MMF to an infinite number
>of M's before an F (which I will shorthand to [M*n]F for discussion
>purposes).
>
>Searching for MF will also return all MMF to [M*n]F's
But not the M+F or MF+ sets. Anyway, my take on it is that (group)
isn't so much a participants code as a kind of genre situation. While
threesomes have a short enough participant set to search on by that,
group really doesn't. Group sex is different subjectively from orgies
(big parties with lots of sex); there need be no party, can only be
things like two or three couples doing a swapping situation which
turns simultaneous.
Anyway, the thing keys on it being about a sex act involving more
than two people at once. Nothing else quite spells that out in one
go.
Jeff Zephyr
wrote:
>On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:39:50 -0600, Jeff Zephyr <jeff...@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>>(5B) - Again ARRGH! (no-sex) has been in the FAQ forever.
>>>Nobody told me that it doesn't show up on the ASSTR search
>>>engine.
>>>
>> For the (nosex) vs. (no-sex) thing, maybe no one thought about it
>>much. When I started coding, I just "naturally" left out the hyphen
>>without thinking, because search keywords *never* have hyphens.
>
>Am I the first person to try and run things through the search engine?
Probably not. But maybe I look for the codes which work as
keywords, and skip the others?
No, not really. I found it hard to find some things, but didn't
think to say a lot about it.
>What's the history on the code development?
>
>How many of them predate the web as an archive and or even for
>posting?
All of them? I'm fairly sure that the sex story groups and message
boards predate the web a fair while.
>Presently, we're stuck with a number of them. Such as the casing in M,
>F, m, and f.
>
>We can't really change those codes, so we have to live with them until
>and unless the search engines improve. Of course, we have no control
>over engines such as Google.
>
>for the codes with dashes, it's hard to say how widespread their use
>if, since we can't accurately dig them out.
>
>We could simply change the FAQ to list their non dashed version, and
>then put in a note saying that it may occur with a dash in some
>places, but should not be coded as such in future. If the search
>engine issue ever clears up on it, we'll then be able to finally find
>those stories.
Sensible.
Jeff Zephyr
wrote:
>On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 01:08:47 -0700, "celia batau"
>>
>>we also thought that the faq was a reflection of codes used to help ppl
>>understand them, rather than the how-to-post-tutorial. maybe we were wrong?
>
>I see it as both.
That is why there is a reader and author version. The author
version even has supplements for subtleties and specifics.
Eli the Bearded
> Elijah wrote:
>> Rec.arts.erotica has been dead for many years now, a victim of the
>> difficultly moderating this sort of group.
> call for new moderators.
Michael Handler posted something there but nothing else seemed to
happen, and near as I can tell he didn't post to news.groups which
I think would have gotten much larger audience for his message.
> For those who do not know, alt.sex.stories.moderated was believed to
> be too similar to rec.arts.erotica, and the only reason it exists
> today is that those creating the group were more stubborn than those
> removing the group.
Let's ammend that account. Some guy posted to alt.config saying it
should be, then sent out the newgroup control message. A bunch of
people sent out rmgroup messages saying that guy is a bozo, alt.config
thought the idea sucked and it duplicates rec.arts.erotica. The guy
then posted some booster newgroup messages and others posted booster
rmgroup messages. This was Jun 1995 to Jan 1996.
Around Dec 1996 someone in alt.config suggested a moderated sex
stories group since r.a.e was dead, someone else replied that
alt.sex.stories.moderated exists but the moderator was missing.
Vollunteers were asked to take over, I stepped forward, and began
my research into how to take over a moderated group. Conventional
wisdom at the time was: without a friendly handover it is impossible.
I proved that wrong.
Jan 1997 I did some dejanews searches and found no significant traffic
in alt.sex.stories.moderated and was unable to contact the moderator.
I sent out another round of newgroup messages listing my new moderator
address, posted announcements to the group about the new moderation,
and others sent out booster newgroups with nary an rmgroup to be seen.
I spent a fair amount of time emailing newsadmins and whomever it
was that controls the master moderator remailer system and within
a few years internet time (six+ months) most large sites had moderation
working right for ASSM.
For propagation reasons I enforced a 'must crosspost' rule and added
a crosspost to alt.sex.stories if none were specified. This was useful
in helping to get traffic across newservers that didn't have a.s.s.m.
(Netnews distribution is a science in itself.)
For the curious, a partial archive of the newgroup messages is in
the standard depository of such things. I don't know if the following
is a mirror or the real thing, but that difference matters little.
ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/control/alt/alt.sex.stories.moderated.Z
Elijah
------
just noticed that Elf was self-approving posts there for a while
den...@tanstaafl.zipcon.net.invalid
<pinat...@bigplanet.com> held forth, saying:
>sorry. not trying to argue. just ignore it. please. sorry. sorry. :(
>
>-cb
Nothing wrong with argument.
(the trusty AHD4 again)
1a. A discussion in which disagreement is expressed; a debate. b. A
quarrel; a dispute. c. Archaic A reason or matter for dispute or
contention: "sheath'd their swords for lack of argument"
(Shakespeare). 2a. A course of reasoning aimed at demonstrating truth
or falsehood: presented a careful argument for extraterrestrial life.
b. A fact or statement put forth as proof or evidence; a reason: The
current low mortgage rates are an argument for buying a house now. c.
A set of statements in which one follows logically as a conclusion
from the others.
I think we can avoid item 1(b); struck me that you were discussing in
sense 1(a)--and that's often necessary to get things clarified.
--
-denny- (curmudgeon)
"There are two tragedies in life.
One is to lose your heart's desire. The other is to gain it."
-- G.B. Shaw
celia batau
"Stasya T. Canine" <stasyaUN...@storiesonline.net> wrote in message
news:QJn69.11810$uO4....@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> Way in the past I saw a FAQ of sorts for the bdsm lifestylers group that
> covered acronyms more than it did codes but it did cover special codes for
> that group of people. Can't remember what you'd search on to find it.
maybe the soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm faq. part of it is at
http://www.unrealities.com/adult/ssbb/a.htm that has a list of codes.
-cb
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Jeff Zephyr
wrote:
>On 14 Aug 2002 06:08:41 GMT, alexisi...@aol.communicate (Alexis
>Siefert) wrote:
>
>>
>>A kid walked up to a guy wearing a 10-gallon hat, leather vest, leather chaps,
>>and sneakers. The kid asked him, "Mr. Cowboy, why do you wear that big hat?"
>>
>>The cowboy replied, "Well, son, the big hat protects me from hot sun and
>>driving rain, and at night I put it over my face when I sleep on the range, so
>>it protects me then, too."
>>
>>"Why do you wear that leather vest?" asked the kid.
>>
>>"It also helps to keep the weather off me, and it has pockets where I can keep
>>my valuables," replied the cowboy.
>>
>>"Well, why do you wear leather chaps?"
>>
>>"They protect my legs when I'm driving my horse through mesquite and cactus."
>>
>>"Well, Mr. Cowboy," the kid finally asked, "Why do you wear sneakers?"
>>
>>"That's so somebody won't think I'm a damn truck driver."
>>~~~~~
>>
>>How's that?
Not too bad. Not quite the right answer -- real cowboys hang around
cows, and there is a side effect to doing that (which is why you wear
the boots, after all).
>Heh.
>
>Little Johnny goes to the boardwalk, and while there decides to use
>the head *.
>
>As he enters the bathroom, he sees a US Marine in full uniform. "Are
>you a MARINE?" says Little Johnny, his voice full of awe.
>
>"Why yes, I am, son. Whould you like to wear my hat?"
>
>"SURE!!!" Exclaims little Johnny over the honor.
>
>The Marine removes his cover, and places it on Little Johnny's head,
>and it promptly slides down over his beaming face.
>
>As he is pushing it back, a US Navy Sailor comes in, obviously
>intoxicated.
>
>Little Johnny is again impressed, and bubbles "Are you a SAILOR?"
>
>The Drunken Sailor slurs a reply: "Yeah, brat, you wanna suck my
>dick?"
>
>Little Johnny replies indignantly: "Hey, mister, I'm not a Marine, I'm
>just holding his hat!"
>
>Hammon Wry
>USN ASE2
>*head: toilet, bathroom.
Another navy...
Well, I can't really complain. I'm not a marine either ;-)
Jeff Zephyr
<pinat...@bigplanet.com> wrote:
>hi Stasya!
>
>"Stasya T. Canine" <stasyaUN...@storiesonline.net> wrote in message
>news:QJn69.11810$uO4....@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
>> Way in the past I saw a FAQ of sorts for the bdsm lifestylers group that
>> covered acronyms more than it did codes but it did cover special codes for
>> that group of people. Can't remember what you'd search on to find it.
>
>maybe the soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm faq. part of it is at
>http://www.unrealities.com/adult/ssbb/a.htm that has a list of codes.
>
Does it cover all of the kinds of story action codes? It seemed to
me it just listed the terms used for various activities as words, not
codes.
Which is still something, because the codes are ways to mark
activities, concisely *and* more easily searchable than just common
words.
spd3432
wrote:
>
>Little Johnny goes to the boardwalk, and while there decides to use
>the head *.
>
>As he enters the bathroom, he sees a US Marine in full uniform. "Are
>you a MARINE?" says Little Johnny, his voice full of awe.
>
>"Why yes, I am, son. Whould you like to wear my hat?"
>
>"SURE!!!" Exclaims little Johnny over the honor.
>
>The Marine removes his cover, and places it on Little Johnny's head,
>and it promptly slides down over his beaming face.
>
>As he is pushing it back, a US Navy Sailor comes in, obviously
>intoxicated.
>
>Little Johnny is again impressed, and bubbles "Are you a SAILOR?"
>
>The Drunken Sailor slurs a reply: "Yeah, brat, you wanna suck my
>dick?"
>
>Little Johnny replies indignantly: "Hey, mister, I'm not a Marine, I'm
>just holding his hat!"
>
>Hammon Wry
>USN ASE2
>*head: toilet, bathroom.
Actually, I heard it as:
Little Johnny is at San Diego airport on a Friday afternoon and goes
into the mens room. As he enters, he sees a Sailor freshly graduated
from Navy Boot Camp (NTC San Diego). "Are you a Sailor?" asks Little
Johnny.
"Yes I am. Would you like to wear my hat?"
"SURE!!!" Exclaims Little Johnny.
The Sailor removes his hat and places it on Little Johnny's head.
Little Johnny then starts walking back and forth whistling Anchors
Away.
A few minutes later, a Marine freshly graduated from boot camp (MCRD
San Diego) enters.
LIttle Johnny asks him "Are you a MARINE?"
The Marine replies "Sure am. Wanna suck my dick?"
Little Johnny responds "Hey, I'm not really a sailor. I'm just
wearing the hat."
Sean
GySgt USMC Retired
Tesseract
> On 14 Aug 2002 05:00:39 GMT, alexisi...@aol.communicate (Alexis
> Siefert) wrote:
>
> >>Jeff Zephyr jeff...@hotmail.com
> >>Date: 8/13/2002 2:39 PM Alaskan Standard Time
> >>Message-id: <3d597cd4$0$3568$272e...@news.execpc.com>
> >>
> >
> ><...>
> >
> >> (true) is so intuitive that I guess people use it without bothering
> >>to check the FAQ. While (real) is probably as intuitive, I think that
> >>people say "This is a true story" more often than "This is a real
> >>story." Maybe they say "This really happened, honest to god!" but
> >>that isn't quite the same wording.
> >
> >So, what's the difference between a fairy tale and a cowboy story?
> >
> >The fairy tale starts, "Once upon a time..."
> >
> >The cowboy story starts, "No shit. This really happened!"
> >
> >Alexis.
> >(been waiting ages for the right moment to use that joke. Thanks, Jeff)
>
> Hmm, I'd heard that more often as the defintion of a sea story. But
> I figure that it works for cowboys too.
> >
> >ftp://ftp.asstr.org/pub/Authors/Alexis_S/
> >http://www.asstr.org/~Alexis_S/
> >Celebrating the Events of ASSD/ASSM/ASSTR:
> >http://www.asstr.org/~Alexis_S/HIA_Events.htm
> >The Web's Best Illustrated Adult Fiction is at http://www.ruthiesclub.com/
The two most popular girls in high school are casual friends. On
graduation they go their separate ways and meet up two years later.
After the hugs and kisses one asks the other "what did you do for the
last couple of years?"
"I went to New York and did the club scene."
"Fantastic."
"... met a Greek tycoon and stayed at his town house"
"Fantastic."
"... until we flew to the Mediterranean in his private jet. (I joined
the mile high club)"
"Fantastic."
"We then cruised the Med in his 150ft yacht"
"Fantastic."
"... until he had to come back on business. I just dropped into town
to see my folks before going back. What did you do?"
"I went to finishing school where we learned to say Fantastic instead
of Bull Shit."
Tesseract
Tesseract
> On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 01:15:18 -0700, "celia batau"
> <pinat...@bigplanet.com> held forth, saying:
>
> >sorry. not trying to argue. just ignore it. please. sorry. sorry. :(
> >
> >-cb
>
> Nothing wrong with argument.
> (the trusty AHD4 again)
> 1a. A discussion in which disagreement is expressed; a debate. b. A
> quarrel; a dispute. c. Archaic A reason or matter for dispute or
> contention: "sheath'd their swords for lack of argument"
> (Shakespeare). 2a. A course of reasoning aimed at demonstrating truth
> or falsehood: presented a careful argument for extraterrestrial life.
> b. A fact or statement put forth as proof or evidence; a reason: The
> current low mortgage rates are an argument for buying a house now. c.
> A set of statements in which one follows logically as a conclusion
> from the others.
>
> I think we can avoid item 1(b); struck me that you were discussing in
> sense 1(a)--and that's often necessary to get things clarified.
If one goes from 1a to 1b problems may result. But if one goes from 1a
to 2a or 2c then progress is made and improvements made. Progress
cannot be made if no one shows dissatisfaction with the status quo or
questions why it is so.
If it will make celia happy we should accept her apologies and hope
she keeps making her arguments.:-)
Tesseract
den...@tanstaafl.zipcon.net.invalid
held forth, saying:
>If it will make celia happy we should accept her apologies and hope
>she keeps making her arguments.:-)
Making celia happy is an excellent plan, imo. :)
Hammon Wry
wrote:
>Actually, I heard it as:
>
>Little Johnny is at San Diego airport on a Friday afternoon and goes
>into the mens room. As he enters, he sees a Sailor freshly graduated
>from Navy Boot Camp (NTC San Diego). "Are you a Sailor?" asks Little
>Johnny.
>
>"Yes I am. Would you like to wear my hat?"
>
>"SURE!!!" Exclaims Little Johnny.
>
>The Sailor removes his hat and places it on Little Johnny's head.
>Little Johnny then starts walking back and forth whistling Anchors
>Away.
>
>A few minutes later, a Marine freshly graduated from boot camp (MCRD
>San Diego) enters.
>
>LIttle Johnny asks him "Are you a MARINE?"
>
>The Marine replies "Sure am. Wanna suck my dick?"
>
>Little Johnny responds "Hey, I'm not really a sailor. I'm just
>wearing the hat."
>
>
>Sean
>GySgt USMC Retired
<BOEG>
Gunny, good to see you still have your sense of humor. Let's see you
turn this one around:
"How do you break a Marine's face?"
"Throw a handfull of sand on the sidewalk and tell him to hit the
beach".
Yes, the Marines were always there first. Who the hell do you think
got them there?
(Seriously, The Marines are the military elite of the regular forces.
Discipline was tightest in their ranks, and they had THE BEST dress
uniforms. And oh, those loverly tight arses...I don't think I ever
saw an overweight Marine)
Hammon Wry
Hand Salute!
Ready, to!
den...@tanstaafl.zipcon.net.invalid
held forth, saying:
Now, watch what you say to the seagoing bellhop. Can't have 'em
getting a swelled head now. :)
(If you ever visit Callahan's Place, you'll find a Marine At the End
of the Bar--and he's one of the best folk around.)
spd3432
den...@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.invalid wrote:
>>Yes, the Marines were always there first. Who the hell do you think
>>got them there?
Depends on where "there" was. Usually we got there by way of those
big gray taxi-cabs.
>>(Seriously, The Marines are the military elite of the regular forces.
>>Discipline was tightest in their ranks, and they had THE BEST dress
>>uniforms. And oh, those loverly tight arses...I don't think I ever
>>saw an overweight Marine)
But did you ever notice that the Air Force had the best looking women?
Sean
Stasya T. Canine
> maybe the soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm faq. part of it is at
> http://www.unrealities.com/adult/ssbb/a.htm that has a list of codes.
>
> -cb
Thanks. :)
NightShade
wrote:
>On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:44:24 -0700,
>den...@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.invalid wrote:
>
>>>Yes, the Marines were always there first. Who the hell do you think
>>>got them there?
>Depends on where "there" was. Usually we got there by way of those
>big gray taxi-cabs.
>
Uh, I haven't been in this Taverna long enough to know, but are
"Clinton" jokes allowed without being suicidal? If not, I'll just
leave that opening hanging "there" and grab the nearest thong-flashing
intern ...
>>>(Seriously, The Marines are the military elite of the regular forces.
>>>Discipline was tightest in their ranks, and they had THE BEST dress
>>>uniforms. And oh, those loverly tight arses...I don't think I ever
>>>saw an overweight Marine)
>But did you ever notice that the Air Force had the best looking women?
>
>
>Sean
>
>
>
NightShade
If it wasn't for all the idiots,
We might actually have to deal with something that mattered.
Jeff Zephyr
wrote:
>On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:44:24 -0700,
>den...@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.invalid wrote:
>
>>>Yes, the Marines were always there first. Who the hell do you think
>>>got them there?
>Depends on where "there" was. Usually we got there by way of those
>big gray taxi-cabs.
Yeah, Marines rarely get to actually play invasion from the sea.
The SEALs probably get more action that way ;-)
>>>(Seriously, The Marines are the military elite of the regular forces.
>>>Discipline was tightest in their ranks, and they had THE BEST dress
>>>uniforms. And oh, those loverly tight arses...I don't think I ever
>>>saw an overweight Marine)
>But did you ever notice that the Air Force had the best looking women?
It was one of the amazingly positive benefits of being in that
service when I was in. Now, the Marines *did* have cuter guys, which
was kind of unfair competition. But not all of the AF women dated
Marines (or Army or Navy for that matter).
Still, there were definitely cute women in all the services. Kind
of like a smorgasbord, better than a lot of dating services.
den...@tanstaafl.zipcon.net.invalid
forth, saying:
Sean, note that the above remarks you quoted weren't mine; they were
Hammon Wry's.
den...@tanstaafl.zipcon.net.invalid
<i_m_nig...@Removethis.hotmail.com> held forth, saying:
>On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 21:42:17 -0700, spd3432 <spd...@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:44:24 -0700,
>>den...@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.invalid wrote:
(but I was quoting Hammon Wry)
>>
>>>>Yes, the Marines were always there first. Who the hell do you think
>>>>got them there?
>>Depends on where "there" was. Usually we got there by way of those
>>big gray taxi-cabs.
>>
>Uh, I haven't been in this Taverna long enough to know, but are
>"Clinton" jokes allowed without being suicidal? If not, I'll just
>leave that opening hanging "there" and grab the nearest thong-flashing
>intern ...
*My* two cents--all political figures are fair game; that's part of
the territory.
Put that cigar down!
cmsix
<den...@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.invalid> wrote in message
news:7qkqlugs5p5nq0n1q...@4ax.com...
> Put that cigar down!
> --
Down what?
cmsix
NightShade
den...@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.invalid wrote:
>On 16 Aug 2002 17:24:57 GMT, NightShade
><i_m_nig...@Removethis.hotmail.com> held forth, saying:
>
>>On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 21:42:17 -0700, spd3432 <spd...@hotmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:44:24 -0700,
>>>den...@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.invalid wrote:
>(but I was quoting Hammon Wry)
>>>
>>>>>Yes, the Marines were always there first. Who the hell do you think
>>>>>got them there?
>>>Depends on where "there" was. Usually we got there by way of those
>>>big gray taxi-cabs.
>>>
>>Uh, I haven't been in this Taverna long enough to know, but are
>>"Clinton" jokes allowed without being suicidal? If not, I'll just
>>leave that opening hanging "there" and grab the nearest thong-flashing
>>intern ...
>
>*My* two cents--all political figures are fair game; that's part of
>the territory.
>
>Put that cigar down!
Unfortunately, you are probably as aware as I that "all" is defined by
most people as those political figures other than the one(s) they
fanatically support. No logic, reason or judicial indictment shall
sway them from the path of right....
Souvie
wrote:
>On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:44:24 -0700,
>den...@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.invalid wrote:
>
>>>Yes, the Marines were always there first. Who the hell do you think
>>>got them there?
>Depends on where "there" was. Usually we got there by way of those
>big gray taxi-cabs.
My dad's last posting to one of those big gray taxi-cabs (USS Saipan).
He said that no matter what time of day he walked through the Marine
quarters, at least half of them were sitting there, polishing their
gun. (not *that* gun, get your mind outta the gutter)
- Souvie
Navy brat
NightShade
No, really, Souvie, which 'gun' did you mean? Now I'm confused. And
why did they have to take turns, only half of them polishing at a
time. What were the other half doing that they would have to polish
their own guns when the first half were done? Inquiring minds want to
know, Souvie....
Souvie
<i_m_nig...@Removethis.hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 23:30:36 GMT, souv...@yahoo.com (Souvie) wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 21:42:17 -0700, spd3432 <spd...@hotmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:44:24 -0700,
>>>den...@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.invalid wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Yes, the Marines were always there first. Who the hell do you think
>>>>>got them there?
>>>Depends on where "there" was. Usually we got there by way of those
>>>big gray taxi-cabs.
>>
>>My dad's last posting to one of those big gray taxi-cabs (USS Saipan).
>>He said that no matter what time of day he walked through the Marine
>>quarters, at least half of them were sitting there, polishing their
>>gun. (not *that* gun, get your mind outta the gutter)
>>
>>- Souvie
>>Navy brat
>
>No, really, Souvie, which 'gun' did you mean? Now I'm confused.
The gun they were issued by the corps. ohhhhhh wait, flashback! Their
rifle. Polishing their rifle. Their gun is entirely different.
<muttering, "This is my rifle, this is my gun, this is for fighting,
this is for fun.">
And
>why did they have to take turns, only half of them polishing at a
>time.
I dunno. Maybe the other half was polishing something else. <G>
> What were the other half doing that they would have to polish
>their own guns when the first half were done? Inquiring minds want to
>know, Souvie....
>
lol You're tellin' me.
- Souvie
Ray
"Souvie" <souv...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3d5d8ad8...@news.onramp.net...
Looks like it's time to revive the "Stupid Recruit's Chant" (usually
performed while running around the parade ground at top speed shouting at
the top of their lungs:
"One is my weapons and one is my gun ....
My weapon's for killing ....
While my gun is for fun!!!"
<g>
Ray