Irving's girlfriend calls him "feeblewitted" and his views "laughable"
Sara Salzman
Irving's girlfriend is left homeless and bitter
By Neil Tweedie, ntwe...@telegraph.co.au 24 February 2006
Bente Hogh surveys the enormous living room of the £6,000-a-month flat
in Queen Anne's Gate that will soon cease to be her home.
"It was foolish of him to rent it - we can't possibly afford it - but
he's like that," she says. "He saw it and thought it would be fun."
It is not easy being the consort of David Irving, the internationally
reviled author, Hitler apologist, Holocaust denier and new recruit to
the Austrian prison system.
Miss Hogh, Irving's partner of 14 years and the mother of his
12-year-old daughter Jessica, is not only broke but about to be made
homeless.
Within weeks, she will be forced to leave the flat, situated in one of
the most expensive streets in central London. Blue plaques record that
Palmerston, the great Victorian prime minister, and Sir Edward Grey, the
foreign secretary who took Britain to war in August 1914, lived in Queen
Anne's Gate - credentials that will have appealed to Irving's snobbery.
"They'll be taking me to court soon," she adds. "I haven't got the money
to stay.
"It was a stupid, feeblewitted thing to do."
Miss Hogh, 42, the daughter of a Danish dentist, is talking of her
partner's decision to visit Austria on a speaking tour in November last
year, despite being the subject of an arrest warrant issued by that
country in 1989. Irving, 67, was on his way to address a Right-wing
student fraternity when he was arrested.
The warrant followed two speeches during which the now discredited
historian repeated his thesis that the gas chambers at Auschwitz were a
fantasy, and that Hitler had protected the Jews for a period during the
war.
As such, they were clear violations of the country's law against
Holocaust denial, introduced in the aftermath of the Second World War.
The result was a three-year prison sentence imposed in Vienna on Monday,
despite Irving's last-minute conversion into a Holocaust believer. The
prosecution is appealing to have the jail term increased.
"Like him, I thought it would be a suspended sentence," Miss Hogh says.
"I feel sad for him. He's getting old."
She speaks of him with cool detachment. How did they meet? "I was
working for a property company and renting his flat in Duke Street," she
explains. "Big mistake." She isn't laughing.
Irving was forced to sell the flat after his disastrous libel suit in
2000 against the American academic Deborah Lipstadt, who had accused him
of Holocaust denial. After a three-month trial, the High Court in London
sided with Lipstadt. Faced with more than £2 million in costs, he was
driven into bankruptcy.
It is unclear how Irving was able to afford the rent of Queen Anne's
Gate, although in the past he has enjoyed the support of wealthy men and
women admiring of his views.
Miss Hogh's only work involves managing Irving's website. It is known,
however, that some of Irving's assets were placed under her name to save
them from his creditors.
Does she share any of his theories? "Of course not. They are laughable.
He doesn't mind that I think that, though. He likes the game."
Will she stay with him? "He would have to show a great change in
attitude."
Irving's twin brother Nicholas, a retired civil servant, and older
brother John, a retired RAF officer, have both disowned his views, while
he is understood to have seen little in recent years of his daughters by
his Spanish wife Pilar.
She moved back to Spain after their divorce and has also described
Irving's theories as "laughable".
Miss Hogh hopes to stay in London so as not to interrupt her daughter's
education. It was to Jessica that Irving dedicated a verse cited in the
Lipstadt trial as evidence of his racism.
It went: "I am a baby Aryan/ Not Jewish or sectarian/ I have no plans to
marry/ An ape or Rastafarian."
Miss Hogh rules out a return to Denmark. "It's boring," she says.
After 14 years with David Irving, a little bit of boredom might seem
welcome.
http://www.adelaideinstitute.org/newsletters/n298.htm
--
"In America the young are always ready to give to those who are older
than themselves the full benefits of their inexperience."
-Oscar Wilde
david_michael
Sara Salzman wrote:
> This little gem was posted on Frederick Toben's website:
>
> Irving's girlfriend is left homeless and bitter
> By Neil Tweedie, ntwe...@telegraph.co.au 24 February 2006
<snip>
Why do you consider that to be a 'gem', Ms S? Do you share Ehud
Olmert's apparent delight in seeing the lives of political opponents in
shreds?
I don't have much time for Irving and the Hogh woman is clearly
shallow, disloyal and thoroughly unpleasant -- nevertheless, their
reduction to destitution and the utter destruction of their life
together merely because Mr Irving wished to state an opinion is a
tragedy.
I don't despise you and your kind, Ms S. But I can understand those who
do.
DEM
Sara Salzman
"david_michael" <david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
> Sara Salzman wrote:
> > This little gem was posted on Frederick Toben's website:
> >
> > Irving's girlfriend is left homeless and bitter
> > By Neil Tweedie, ntwe...@telegraph.co.au 24 February 2006
>
> <snip>
>
> Why do you consider that to be a 'gem', Ms S? Do you share Ehud
> Olmert's apparent delight in seeing the lives of political opponents in
> shreds?
Talk about a non sequiter, Dr. Homeland. I haven't said anything about
Olmert, nor do I plan to. I'm merely mentioning the fact that Frederick
Toben believes Irving is a fraud.
>
> I don't have much time for Irving and the Hogh woman is clearly
> shallow, disloyal and thoroughly unpleasant -- nevertheless, their
> reduction to destitution and the utter destruction of their life
> together merely because Mr Irving wished to state an opinion is a
> tragedy.
Oh please. The article says it quite clearly, and I agree. Irving was
arrested because _he entered a country that had an arrest warrant out
for him_. If he didn't want to go to jail, he had merely to stay out of
Austria.
>
> I don't despise you and your kind, Ms S. But I can understand those who
> do.
>
> DEM
My _kind_, Mr. Michael? You mean those who respect the law and believe
that when you go to a foreign country you need to obey their laws? Or do
you mean those who are amused by the fact that even other deniers think
Irving is a huge liability?
What I despise, Dr. Homeland, are people who use phrases like "you and
your kind," or who can't discuss a simple topic without trying to drag
in all sorts of other topics and make connections that aren't there.
Can't stand the fact that Irving is the laughing stock of both
historians AND deniers? Tough luck.
Sara
Sara Salzman
"127.0.0.1" <127....@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> Sara Salzman wrote:
>
> > This little gem was posted on Frederick Toben's website:
> >
> > Irving's girlfriend is left homeless and bitter
> > By Neil Tweedie, ntwe...@telegraph.co.au 24 February 2006
> >
>
> <Snip>
>
> Yeah, he's so feeblewitted (sic) that it cost Jews TEN MILLION DOLLARS to
> defend themselves against this person.
Please elucidate on your use of (sic), little baby.
Then explain how David irving was so smart that he a) LOST; and b) is
currently resting on his laurels in JAIL.
Yeah, sounds like a winner. His twin brother thinks he's a loon, his
daughter carries around a copy of Anne Frank's diary to show how little
she thinks of her own father. His daughter and girlfriend are homeless.
And deniers like Toben are breaking their legs distancing themselves
from him. And he's STILL in jail, having lost his appeal.
What a winner!
Sara
Kurt Knoll
lairs did have a field day waging war against just one man who speaks the
truth.
Kurt Knoll.
"Sara Salzman" <cata...@concentric.net> wrote in message
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Sara Salzman
"127.0.0.1" <127....@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> Sara Salzman wrote:
>
> > In article <1694707.zADbJOlNAe@X221c>,
> > "127.0.0.1" <127....@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> >
> >> Sara Salzman wrote:
> >>
> >> > This little gem was posted on Frederick Toben's website:
> >> >
> >> > Irving's girlfriend is left homeless and bitter
> >> > By Neil Tweedie, ntwe...@telegraph.co.au 24 February 2006
> >> >
> >>
> >> <Snip>
> >>
> >> Yeah, he's so feeblewitted (sic) that it cost Jews TEN MILLION DOLLARS to
> >> defend themselves against this person.
> >
> > Please elucidate on your use of (sic), little baby.
>
> Define the spelling and usage of *feeblewitted* for us Sara.
As I thought. You have no idea what (sic) means.
>
> > Then explain how David irving was so smart that he a) LOST; and b) is
> > currently resting on his laurels in JAIL.
>
> (A) He lost because he represented himself.
So he's an idiot for representing himself, right? Thanks for admitting
it.
>
> (B) He's in jail because he questioned the JEWISH VERSION OF WW-ll.
>
I see that simple concepts elude you. He's in jail because he went to
Austria -- of his own free will -- knowing that there was an arrest
warrant out for him there.
> (C) Deborah lipstadt knew she couldn't defend herself or the 'holocaust
> dogma' on the stand, so she decided to sit in her chair and keep her mouth
> shut. She lacked the courage of her convictions.
No, Lipstadt was smart enough to hire good lawyers and to follow their
advice. Since the issue was what Lipstadt WROTE in her book, any
testimony from her would have been meaningless. The case was about the
words in her book.
You really should stop just copying what other morons say. It makes you
look -- well, moronic.
>
> > Yeah, sounds like a winner.
>
> It would seem so, it cost penguin books ten million dollars to defeat
> Irving. not only that, they knew Irving would have ripped the holocaust to
> shreds had the put Lipstadt on the stand.
No one "knew" anything of the sort, since Irving sued Lipstadt for
LIBEL, not for "did the Holocaust happen." The Judge wouldn't have
allowed any such "testimony" or questions by Irving on that subject,
since it WASN'T the subject of the lawsuit.
Again, just parroting what morons say makes you look even more stupid
(if that's possible) than you usually look.
>
> > His twin brother thinks he's a loon,
>
> And what qualifications does his brother have to consider Irving a loon? Has
> he debunked Irving's work?
Tommy, you never cease to amaze me. What "qualifications" does someone
need to have in order to give an opinion of their own brother? I suppose
his brother's "qualifications" are that he spent his entire young life
growing up with Irving, and therefore have quite a bit of time to
observe him.
If you believe people need "qualifications" in order to have personal
opinions, please explain what qualifications YOU have for believing that
all women are good for is "banging."
>
> > his
> > daughter carries around a copy of Anne Frank's diary to show how little
> > she thinks of her own father.
>
> I wonder what version she carries around? LOL.
And this matters ... why? Oh, it doesn't! Whatever edition she carries
is still proof that she believes her father is an idiot.
[snip Tommy's cutting and pasting]
> > His daughter and girlfriend are homeless.
>
> Good! The daughter turns own her own father because he dares speak out.. As
> for the girl friend, who cares.
Because she's the mother of his daughter? Because he left her in a 6000
pound a month apartment that HE signed the lease for? I'd call that
being a deadbeat Dad. Irving's girlfriend, according to the article,
also maintains his web site. Kind of stupid of him to alienate her at a
time that he has no ability to maintain the site, isn't it?
>
> > And deniers like Toben are breaking their legs distancing themselves
> > from him. And he's STILL in jail, having lost his appeal.
>
> Cite Toben on this issue.
THE ITEM WAS POSTED ON TOBEN'S SITE, baby.
>
> > What a winner!
>
> He will have the last laugh Sara.
>
No, Tommy, we're having the last laugh -- at you.
Irving will have a few years to mull it over in prison.
Sara
By the way, why have you run away from this thread:
In article <2891891.76ZdvQCiDv@0ICU812>,
"127.0.0.1" <127....@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> Sara Salzman wrote:
>
>
> > Why don't you tell us how many Orthodox synagogues you've been inside
> > for morning services?
> >
> > Sara
> >
>
> I've never set foot in a synagogue a day in my life.
So you've never seen an Orthodox Jewish man put on phylacteries. That
doesn't mean it has never happened, baby Tommy.
Now, tell us again how you know more Jews.
> Just how many orthodox synagogues have you been in Sara?
Quite a few actually. In Washington, Maryland, Tennessee, California,
Louisiana, Ohio, Colorado, New York, Paris, London, Crakow, Amsterdam,
Brussels, and quite a few other places.
Since phylacteries are used by Orthodox Jewish men at prayer, I think
I've seen more than a few of them outside of Israel.
> I doubt they would
> let you in, some of those guys won't even shake the hand of a strange
> woman.
>
Once again, little baby Tommy shows his unmitigated ignorance. Jewish
women go to synagogue, just like men.
> As for the footage of the Jews with a box on the head - it was taken in
> Israel and they weren't in a synagogue but outside.
So what? They are participating in a ritual described in the Bible, just
like many Jews do when they put a mezzuzah up on their doorpost.
Why is it so difficult for you to understand that different religions
have different customs? You mock a group of Jews for carrying out a
"redemption" ceremony. And how is that different from an exorcism? Or a
group of Catholics "eating" and "drinking" Jesus?
Religions, little baby, are about faith. And human beings, people with
souls, respect others.
You, on the other hand, have nothing but contempt for things you can't
understand. That makes you a bit less than human.
Doc Tavish
"How many times do I have to tell you-- I AM RETARDED!!!"
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> Sara Salzman wrote:
<deletions>
> Define the spelling and usage of *feeblewitted* for us Sara.
>
> > Then explain how David irving was so smart that he a) LOST; and b) is
> > currently resting on his laurels in JAIL.
>
> (A) He lost because he represented himself.
That was his choice, and thus his reponsibility. A man who respresents
himself at a trial has a fool for a lawyer.
>
> (B) He's in jail because he questioned the JEWISH VERSION OF WW-ll.
No he didn't. He admitted to the court that he was no expert on the
Holocaust. Thus, he said, any statements that he had made about it had to
be regarded as the pronouncements of a person lacking expertise or the
requisite knowledge. He admitted at the trial that he had been wrong about
the Auschwitz gas chambers.
> (C) Deborah lipstadt knew she couldn't defend herself or the 'holocaust
> dogma' on the stand, so she decided to sit in her chair and keep her mouth
> shut. She lacked the courage of her convictions.
Nonsense. The purpose of the trial was to determine whether certain
statements Deborah Lipstadt had made in print about David Irving's
methodology and integrity as a historian in print were libelous or not.
Her defense team was able to demonstrate to the court that they were not
libelous but rather fully justified. It was never an issue of Deborah
Lipstadt defending herself or 'holocaust dogma'. The issue was to
determine whether or not Deborah Lipstadt's claims made in a book
originally published in 1994 that David Irving was a dishonest ezxcuse for
a historian who systematically and deliberately manipulated evidence,
mistranslated documents, and presented a political agenda as honest
history were justified or not.
> > Yeah, sounds like a winner.
>
> It would seem so, it cost penguin books ten million dollars to defeat
> Irving. not only that, they knew Irving would have ripped the holocaust to
> shreds had the put Lipstadt on the stand.
Irrelevant, since ripping the Holocaust to shreds was not the issue.
Additionally, David Irving stated several times during the trial that he
was not a Holocaust denier, as he also did during his more recent trial in
Vienna.
> > His twin brother thinks he's a loon,
>
> And what qualifications does his brother have to consider Irving a loon? Has
> he debunked Irving's work?
He has seen his brother's career go down the toilet over almost four
decades as he has been dragged into one court room after another.
> > his
> > daughter carries around a copy of Anne Frank's diary to show how little
> > she thinks of her own father.
>
> I wonder what version she carries around? LOL.
> 1944-The diary of Anne Frank.
>
> 1945-Copy by Otto Frank
>
> 1945-Copy by Otto Frank and Isa Cauvern
>
> 1946-New version of the copy by Otto Frank and Isa Cauvern;
>
> 1946-New-new version of the copy by Albert Cauvern
>
> 1947-New-new-new version by Otto Frank;
>
> 1947-New-new-new-new version by Otto Frank and the "Censors";
>
> 1947-Contact edition was a failure
>
> 1948-Meyer Levin rewrites the entire diary and it sells 60,000,000 copies
>
> 1950-Lambert Schneider book edition (off Levin's diaries) radically
> different from the preceding one
>
> 1955-Fischer edition () taking up again the preceding one in a "discreetly"
> (?) reworked and retouched form.
>
> 1986-The Diary of Anne Frank: The Critical Edition (1989),
>
> 1991The 'Definitive' Edition ...Inserts sexual pages for spice
Anne Frank's diary, like many books of lasting value, has a complex
history, as does, for example, the Bible, of which there are also many
versions and translations. Have you ever heard of the Arian heresy?
> > His daughter and girlfriend are homeless.
>
> Good! The daughter turns own her own father because he dares speak out.. As
> for the girl friend, who cares.
The daughter has turned against her father because, like Irving's
brothers, she sees him as a pathetic fool.
<deletions>
Summa summarum.
David Irving has lost any credibility he once had as a historian. His
mendacious ways have been exposed by members of the community of
professional historians to the public in far too many books and court
trials for him to be able to recover. By initiating and losing the trial
against Deborah Lipstadt and Penguin Books Ltd., and then by provoking the
Austrian authorities to arrest and try him by entering the country with an
outstanding arrest warrant on him, David Irving committed professional
suicide.
Regards,
Eugene Holman
Doc Tavish
Then you understand me quite well!! :-)
P.S. Please read the archives below-- they are signs that Nizkor may soon be no
more! I am seeking to have McVay's main funding shut down. I have evidence that
Nizkor and SAAF have an illegal money laundering scheme. SAAF has violated its
tax exempt charter!!
>DEM
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<catamont-81B689...@news.giganews.com>, Sara Salzman
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>What I despise, Dr. Homeland, are people.. who can't discuss a simple topic without trying to drag
>in all sorts of other topics and make connections that aren't there.
Like your kind does!
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Kurt Knoll
enough capital to hire a first class lawyer. But then again what could his
lawyer do against a whole tem of Jewish lawyers.
Kurt Knoll.
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david_michael wrote:
> Sara Salzman wrote:
> > This little gem was posted on Frederick Toben's website:
> >
> > Irving's girlfriend is left homeless and bitter
> > By Neil Tweedie, ntwe...@telegraph.co.au 24 February 2006
>
> <snip>
>
> Why do you consider that to be a 'gem', Ms S? Do you share Ehud
> Olmert's apparent delight in seeing the lives of political opponents in
> shreds?
Political opponent?
That's an odd way to describe someone who doesn't really seem to have
any politics, just a collection of hatreds most compatible with the
National Socialist Party of Germany.
> I don't have much time for Irving and the Hogh woman is clearly
> shallow, disloyal and thoroughly unpleasant -- nevertheless, their
> reduction to destitution and the utter destruction of their life
> together merely because Mr Irving wished to state an opinion is a
> tragedy.
How typical of you to turn truth on its head!
Irving is destitute not because he wrote anything, but because he tried
to sue someone else to silence their views about him. It was Ms.
Lipstadt's opinions that Irving sought to make a personal tragedy for
her. Your distorted rendition of the facts demonstrates just how out of
touch with reality you are.
As for Ms. Hogh and her loyalty, I find little sympathy for an aging
man who takes up with a women young enough to be his daughter. Irving's
reckless, egocentric behavior has ruined her life and her daughter's.
Shallow she may be, but there are far worse sins, now aren't there Mr.
Michael.
> I don't despise you and your kind, Ms S. But I can understand those who
> do.
Of course you do. You share the views of Jew haters.
--
Philip Mathews
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be 127.0.0.1 wrote
in message <2851005.8ElLH02rol@X221c>:
>Sara Salzman wrote:
>>> > This little gem was posted on Frederick Toben's website:
>>> >
>>> > Irving's girlfriend is left homeless and bitter
>>> > By Neil Tweedie, ntwe...@telegraph.co.au 24 February 2006
>>> <Snip>
>>> Yeah, he's so feeblewitted (sic) that it cost Jews TEN MILLION DOLLARS to
>>> defend themselves against this person.
>> Please elucidate on your use of (sic), little baby.
>Define the spelling and usage of *feeblewitted* for us Sara.
>> Then explain how David irving was so smart that he a) LOST; and b) is
>> currently resting on his laurels in JAIL.
>(A) He lost because he represented himself.
... and actually was the hate filled bigot and holocaust denier which
Lipstadt was being sued over calling him.
>(B) He's in jail because he questioned the JEWISH VERSION OF WW-ll.
No, he's in jail because he chose not only to break the law in
Austria, but to then go back knowing he had a warrant out for his
arrest there.
>(C) Deborah lipstadt knew she couldn't defend herself or the 'holocaust
>dogma' on the stand, so she decided to sit in her chair and keep her mouth
>shut. She lacked the courage of her convictions.
The case was about what she had written. Nothing she said or did
would change that, nor change the truthfulness or not of what she
wrote.
>> Yeah, sounds like a winner.
>It would seem so, it cost penguin books ten million dollars to defeat
>Irving. not only that, they knew Irving would have ripped the holocaust to
>shreds had the put Lipstadt on the stand.
No, they knew that Irving would attempt to turn it into a circus in an
ultimate useless attempt to distract from what the case was actually
*about*.
And no, irving was ripped to shreds himself on the facts of the
Holocaust, without any help from Ms. Lipstadt. Which is why he
withdrew ger-joe's crap at the last minute, even though was the entire
basis for his appeal at that point.
>> His twin brother thinks he's a loon,
>And what qualifications does his brother have to consider Irving a loon? Has
>he debunked Irving's work?
Having lived with him, growing up?
>> his
>> daughter carries around a copy of Anne Frank's diary to show how little
>> she thinks of her own father.
>I wonder what version she carries around? LOL.
>1944-The diary of Anne Frank.
>
>1945-Copy by Otto Frank
>
>1945-Copy by Otto Frank and Isa Cauvern
>
>1946-New version of the copy by Otto Frank and Isa Cauvern;
>
>1946-New-new version of the copy by Albert Cauvern
>
>1947-New-new-new version by Otto Frank;
>
>1947-New-new-new-new version by Otto Frank and the "Censors";
>
>1947-Contact edition was a failure
>
>1948-Meyer Levin rewrites the entire diary and it sells 60,000,000 copies
>
>1950-Lambert Schneider book edition (off Levin's diaries) radically
>different from the preceding one
>
>1955-Fischer edition () taking up again the preceding one in a "discreetly"
>(?) reworked and retouched form.
>
>1986-The Diary of Anne Frank: The Critical Edition (1989),
>
>1991The 'Definitive' Edition ...Inserts sexual pages for spice
Is there a reason you don't mention that you're simply parroting
mindlessly the lies told by IHR on this matter?
>> His daughter and girlfriend are homeless.
>Good! The daughter turns own her own father because he dares speak out..
No, because he's a lying hater.
You might give the situation some thought...
>As for the girl friend, who cares.
Normal people do.
>> And deniers like Toben are breaking their legs distancing themselves
>> from him. And he's STILL in jail, having lost his appeal.
>Cite Toben on this issue.
Hint: where did the article which started this thread come from?
>> What a winner!
>He will have the last laugh Sara.
In his dreams, maybe.
Kenneth McVay OBC
Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
[...]
>You really should stop just copying what other morons say. It makes you
>look -- well, moronic.
Perhaps that is simply because the ignorant baby tommikins IS moronic. Don't be too hard
on him, TG, morons can't help looking, er, moronic.
--
"All shit like you have is lies and smears. Shit like you
can't refute what I post so shit like you resort to cheap
personal attacks and you wonder why kike filth is hated so much!
(Scott Bradbury, Bellville's leading revisionist scholar)
Eugene Holman
<kkn...@monarch.net> wrote:
> You have nothing to be proud about Eugene,
'Proud' is not the word to describe my feeings about David Irving having
taken legal action that resulted in him ruining not only anything left of
his own career, but also that of his partner and daughter. As a fellow
human being I feel sorry for him as well as for the two innocent people
whose lives he has made miserable.
> Could it be he did not have
> enough capital to hire a first class lawyer.
He certainly had enough to be renting a £5,000 a month apartment in one of
the most expensive parts of London. It is more likely that a first-class
lawyer would prefer not to become involved with a case that could not
possibly be won. Deborah Lipstadt had provided well substantiated and
incontestable evidence back in 1994 that Irving's methodology was
unprofessional. David Irving's objective was not really to sue Deborah
Lipstadt for libel, but rather to silence criticism of his methodology and
conclusions from the community of professional historians with which he
identifies himself, but which shuns him. As I have said here before, it
was a professional malpractice suit, bizarrely initiated by a
malpractitioner against the community of professionals who blew the
whistle on him.
> But then again what could his
> lawyer do against a whole tem of Jewish lawyers.
David Irving is good at fund raising. But he is even better at
grandstanding. He wanted to be the center of attention; Deborah Lipstadt's
strategy of maintaining silence and leaving the argumentation of the case
to her lawyers and expert witnesses turned out to be a far wiser strategy.
It was not the Holocaust that was on trial, but rather the veracity pf
statements that Deborah Lipstadt had published concerning David Irving's
unprofessional, unethical, and agenda-driven methodology.
<deletions>
Regards,
Eugene Holman
The Chief Instigator
>Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
> "How many times do I have to tell you-- I AM RETARDED!!!"
How many times do you have to post that fantasy of yours, Bastard of
Bellville? I'll be sure to wave at you the next time we're headed to
Austin...
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (pat...@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 4, Houston 2 (May 9)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, October 7 vs. Grand Rapids, 7:35
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be 127.0.0.1 wrote
>Sara Salzman wrote:
>>> >> > This little gem was posted on Frederick Toben's website:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Irving's girlfriend is left homeless and bitter
>>> >> > By Neil Tweedie, ntwe...@telegraph.co.au 24 February 2006
>>> >> >
>>> >> <Snip>
>>> >> Yeah, he's so feeblewitted (sic) that it cost Jews TEN MILLION DOLLARS
>>> >> to defend themselves against this person.
>>> > Please elucidate on your use of (sic), little baby.
>>> Define the spelling and usage of *feeblewitted* for us Sara.
>> As I thought. You have no idea what (sic) means.
>Sic at its best is intended to aid readers who might be confused about
>whether the quoter or the quoted writer is responsible for the spelling or
>grammatical anomaly.
>http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexperts/faq/usage/sic
But of course, you seem to missing the fact that Sara was herself
quoting the article which she excerpted.
>Are you claiming that: "feeblewitted" isn't a grammatical anomaly? Perhaps
>you could cite an on-line dictionary that gives the definition
>of "feeblewitted" and prove me wrong.
Ummm -- you didn't actually *read* the original article, did you?
>>> > Then explain how David irving was so smart that he a) LOST; and b) is
>>> > currently resting on his laurels in JAIL.
>>> (A) He lost because he represented himself.
>> So he's an idiot for representing himself, right? Thanks for admitting
>> it.
>Yes, I agree with you 100%.
And the fact that everything Lipstadt said about him was proven true
-- that didn't matter at all?
>>> (B) He's in jail because he questioned the JEWISH VERSION OF WW-ll.
>> I see that simple concepts elude you. He's in jail because he went to
>> Austria -- of his own free will -- knowing that there was an arrest
>> warrant out for him there.
>Yes, he questioned the Jewish version of WW-ll many years ago.
No, he "questioned" nothing. He flat out denied the Holocaust.
>How was he to
>know that these 'draconian thought crime laws' had no statute of
>limitations.
Gee, all he had to do was ask a lawyer familiar with Austrian law.
But why are you trying to pretend that he *didn't* know that the
warrant was still active? He *bragged* about dodging responsibility
for his denial on his web site, after his two other trips there.
>>> (C) Deborah lipstadt knew she couldn't defend herself or the 'holocaust
>>> dogma' on the stand, so she decided to sit in her chair and keep her
>>> mouth shut. She lacked the courage of her convictions.
>> No, Lipstadt was smart enough to hire good lawyers and to follow their
>> advice.
>We agree. Her lawyers knew what would have happened had they put her on the
>stand.
Why are still trying to pretend that any testimony by Lipstadt would
have been relevant to the libel she was accused of?
>> Since the issue was what Lipstadt WROTE in her book, any
>> testimony from her would have been meaningless. The case was about the
>> words in her book.
>Not at all...
... and the idiot child once again demonstrates there is no subject
zir ignorance of which zie will not gladly parade for the amuzement of
all.
>She calls Irving an Anti-Semite because he questions certain
>aspects of the holocaust.
... and the idiot child once again demonstrates there is no subject
zir ignorance of which zie will not gladly parade for the amuzement of
all.
Do tell us where in irving's complaint or the judgment that the term
"anti-semite" is directly applied to irving?
>Irving basically says, I'm not an Anti-Semite and
>can prove everything I've said .i.e if what I've said *is true* than she
>has no bases for her allegations.
Well, since he wasn't complaining about being called an anti-semite,
this little fantasy would not have happened.
What irving *did* complain about was Lipstadt's statements:
that the (Claimant) has on numerous occasions (in the manner
hereinafter particularised) denied the Holocaust, the deliberate
planned extermination of Europe's Jewish population by the Nazis, and
denied that gas chambers were used by the Nazis as a means of carrying
out that extermination;
that the (Claimant) holds extremist views, and has allied himself with
others who do so, including individuals such as Dr. Robert Faurisson,
and Ernst Zundel;
that the (Claimant), driven by his obsession with Hitler, distorts,
manipulates and falsifies history in order to put Hitler in a more
favourable light, thereby demonstrating a lack of the detachment,
rationality and judgement necessary for an historian;
that there are grounds to suspect that the (Claimant) has removed
certain microfiches of Goebbels' diaries contained in the Moscow
archives, from the said archives without permission; and that the
(Claimant) lied and/or exaggerated the position with regard to the
unpublished diaries of Goebbels on microfiche contained in the Moscow
archives, and used by him in the Goebbels book;
that in all the premises, the (Claimant) is discredited as an
historian and user of source material, and that there was an increased
risk that the (Claimant) would for his own purposes, distort, and
manipulate the contents of the said microfiches in pursuance of his
said obsession.
>> You really should stop just copying what other morons say. It makes you
>> look -- well, moronic.
>I think you should learn the facts
TAOILHTN
>and stop parroting the crap you read from
>Lipstad (The Holocaust On Trial) You do know that every story has two
>sides?
Really? What's the other side to, say, the battle of Gettysburg?
>>> > Yeah, sounds like a winner.
>>> It would seem so, it cost penguin books ten million dollars to defeat
>>> Irving. not only that, they knew Irving would have ripped the holocaust
>>> to shreds had the put Lipstadt on the stand.
>> No one "knew" anything of the sort, since Irving sued Lipstadt for
>> LIBEL, not for "did the Holocaust happen." The Judge wouldn't have
>> allowed any such "testimony" or questions by Irving on that subject,
>> since it WASN'T the subject of the lawsuit.
>No, no, no Sara. If you look at the case in it's reality. Lipstad claimed
>Irving was an Anti-Semite BASED ON WHAT HE HAD SAID ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST.
No, no, no idiot child.
While irving *is* an anti-semite, being so called was *not* what he
was suing over.
>Had Irving had to chance to PROVE what he said WAS TRUE than Lipstad
>wouldn't have had any grounds to make her allegations.
And he had his chance to prove that he hadn't lied and distorted
history.
He couldn't.
>> Again, just parroting what morons say makes you look even more stupid
>> (if that's possible) than you usually look.
>STFU!
Or what? You'll throw another tantrum?
>>> > His twin brother thinks he's a loon,
>>> And what qualifications does his brother have to consider Irving a loon?
>>> Has he debunked Irving's work?
>> Tommy, you never cease to amaze me. What "qualifications" does someone
>> need to have in order to give an opinion of their own brother? I suppose
>> his brother's "qualifications" are that he spent his entire young life
>> growing up with Irving, and therefore have quite a bit of time to
>> observe him.
>My older sister is a surgical nurse. If I were to say that she has no idea
>what she's doing with regards to her job, would anyone take my opinion
>serious?
But that's not what his brother said, was it?
>I could be a charterer witness with regards to her attitude, but my
>observation wouldn't carry any water as to how she preforms at what she
>does while working.
>
>We can apply the same standards to Irving and his brother.
Indeed.
Now all you have to do is show where his brother commented on his
qualifications as a writer of fiction.
>> If you believe people need "qualifications" in order to have personal
>> opinions, please explain what qualifications YOU have for believing that
>> all women are good for is "banging."
>See above.
>>> > his
>>> > daughter carries around a copy of Anne Frank's diary to show how little
>>> > she thinks of her own father.
>>> I wonder what version she carries around? LOL.
>> And this matters ... why? Oh, it doesn't! Whatever edition she carries
>> is still proof that she believes her father is an idiot.
>It proves that his daughter is what Jews call a Shabbos Goy or would that be
>(a) Shabbos Shiksa?
No, it proves that she is trying to distance herself from the lies
told by her father.
>> [snip Tommy's cutting and pasting]
Not to mention the many lies in what he stole from the IHR.
>>> > His daughter and girlfriend are homeless.
>>> Good! The daughter turns own her own father because he dares speak out..
>>> As for the girl friend, who cares.
>> Because she's the mother of his daughter? Because he left her in a 6000
>> pound a month apartment that HE signed the lease for? I'd call that
>> being a deadbeat Dad. Irving's girlfriend, according to the article,
>> also maintains his web site. Kind of stupid of him to alienate her at a
>> time that he has no ability to maintain the site, isn't it?
>Serves her right for siding with Jews over her own father.
You mean like you side with the haters over your own father?
>*You People*
>tried to pull this crap on Mel Gibson, Jews ask Mel to condem his OWN
>FATHER because his beliefs weren't kosher.
I realize that you are completely unfamiliar with the concept of
honesty and integrity, but trust me some of us find them very
important.
>>> > And deniers like Toben are breaking their legs distancing themselves
>>> > from him. And he's STILL in jail, having lost his appeal.
>>> Cite Toben on this issue.
>> THE ITEM WAS POSTED ON TOBEN'S SITE, baby.
>I will go look at it.
Wouldn't have made sense to do that *before* pontificating on the
topic?
>>> > What a winner!
>>> He will have the last laugh Sara.
>> No, Tommy, we're having the last laugh -- at you.
>Look, were going to win in the end. We always have - How many countries have
>we run you people out of?
*you* have run nobody off.
>> Irving will have a few years to mull it over in prison.
>>
>> By the way, why have you run away from this thread:
>>
>> In article <2891891.76ZdvQCiDv@0ICU812>,
>> "127.0.0.1" <127....@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>
>>> Sara Salzman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> > Why don't you tell us how many Orthodox synagogues you've been inside
>>> > for morning services?
>>> >
>>> > Sara
>>> >
>>>
>>> I've never set foot in a synagogue a day in my life.
>>
>> So you've never seen an Orthodox Jewish man put on phylacteries. That
>> doesn't mean it has never happened, baby Tommy.
>>
>> Now, tell us again how you know more Jews.
>I know may Jews.. I buy stamps and coins from them all the time.
Not what you claimed, idiot child.
>>> Just how many orthodox synagogues have you been in Sara?
>>
>> Quite a few actually. In Washington, Maryland, Tennessee, California,
>> Louisiana, Ohio, Colorado, New York, Paris, London, Crakow, Amsterdam,
>> Brussels, and quite a few other places.
>Strange...
Why is it strange?
>> Since phylacteries are used by Orthodox Jewish men at prayer, I think
>> I've seen more than a few of them outside of Israel.
>>
>>> I doubt they would
>>> let you in, some of those guys won't even shake the hand of a strange
>>> woman.
>>
>> Once again, little baby Tommy shows his unmitigated ignorance. Jewish
>> women go to synagogue, just like men.
>Let me put it this way: Do you think, that you can walk up to an Orthodox
>Jew, reach out your hand and he will shake it?
Let me put it this way: why do you try to lie that he wouldn't?
>>> As for the footage of the Jews with a box on the head - it was taken in
>>> Israel and they weren't in a synagogue but outside.
>>
>> So what? They are participating in a ritual described in the Bible, just
>> like many Jews do when they put a mezzuzah up on their doorpost.
>Dunno not what mezzuzah is..
The litany of things you do not know is endless.
But that never seems to stop you from pontificating on them anyway.
>> Why is it so difficult for you to understand that different religions
>> have different customs? You mock a group of Jews for carrying out a
>> "redemption" ceremony. And how is that different from an exorcism? Or a
>> group of Catholics "eating" and "drinking" Jesus?
>I no longer worship a jew on a stick or any religion for that matter.
>Muslims want to convert all non-Muslims and call us infidels. Jews want to
>destroy White Christians,
bullsh*t
>and Christians pray for the Muslim and the Jew.
Some may, yes.
But let's get back to your declaration that you're no longer an Xtian?
>> Religions, little baby, are about faith. And human beings, people with
>> souls, respect others.
>Stupid Christians respect you people. You don't respect them them.
What gives you the idea that Sara doesn't respect them?
>> You, on the other hand, have nothing but contempt for things you can't
>> understand. That makes you a bit less than human.
>Yeah, that's what Jews call us Goy/cattle sub-human.
Actually, goy == nation.
You've been corrected on this before, so why do you try to lie about
it again?
>You ain't telling me
>nothing new. Why bitch when we see Jews the same way you see us?
Because you're only pretending that you hate didn't come first.
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be 127.0.0.1 wrote
>Eugene Holman wrote:
>> <deletions>
>>> Define the spelling and usage of *feeblewitted* for us Sara.
>>> > Then explain how David irving was so smart that he a) LOST; and b) is
>>> > currently resting on his laurels in JAIL.
>>> (A) He lost because he represented himself.
>> That was his choice, and thus his reponsibility. A man who respresents
>> himself at a trial has a fool for a lawyer.
>I agree.
Not to mention an idiot for a client.
>>> (B) He's in jail because he questioned the JEWISH VERSION OF WW-ll.
>> No he didn't. He admitted to the court that he was no expert on the
>> Holocaust. Thus, he said, any statements that he had made about it had to
>> be regarded as the pronouncements of a person lacking expertise or the
>> requisite knowledge.
>Would you be kind enough to define a *Holocaust Expert* Mr. Holman?
>Irving has spent many years doing research and looking through the archives.
.. and then distorting, mistranslating and lying about the results.
>> He admitted at the trial that he had been wrong about
>> the Auschwitz gas chambers.
>No, he thought he was going to get a deal if he towed the Jewish party line.
your mind reading skills are as shoddy as your security skills.
>>> (C) Deborah lipstadt knew she couldn't defend herself or the 'holocaust
>>> dogma' on the stand, so she decided to sit in her chair and keep her
>>> mouth shut. She lacked the courage of her convictions.
>> Nonsense. The purpose of the trial was to determine whether certain
>> statements Deborah Lipstadt had made in print about David Irving's
>> methodology and integrity as a historian in print were libelous or not.
>> Her defense team was able to demonstrate to the court that they were not
>> libelous but rather fully justified. It was never an issue of Deborah
>> Lipstadt defending herself or 'holocaust dogma'. The issue was to
>> determine whether or not Deborah Lipstadt's claims made in a book
>> originally published in 1994 that David Irving was a dishonest ezxcuse for
>> a historian who systematically and deliberately manipulated evidence,
>> mistranslated documents, and presented a political agenda as honest
>> history were justified or not.
>She claimed Irving's methodology was flawed and malicious.
And then went on to prove it.
In spades.
>You know that isn't true.
Sure it is.
How else would you explain one of my favourite irvingisms, the "just
change a word or two and you have another entire thought."
>Irving looked into the subject of the holocaust and presented
>his findings 'based on the research he had done'. Lipstadt seemed to think
>he manipulated his findings based on some delusion he hated Jews.
It wasn't delusional, and he *did* manipulate his "findings."
That's why Lipstadt et. al., won.
>>> > Yeah, sounds like a winner.
>>> It would seem so, it cost penguin books ten million dollars to defeat
>>> Irving. not only that, they knew Irving would have ripped the holocaust
>>> to shreds had the put Lipstadt on the stand.
>> Irrelevant, since ripping the Holocaust to shreds was not the issue.
>Oh yes it was...
Doesn't matter how hard you stomp your feets, it wasn't.
The question was irving's lies about history.
>That was the bases of Irving's defense. Irving was like, IF
>I CAN PROVE WHAT I SAY TO BE TRUE, than I can prove libel on the part
>Lipstadt.
And when confronted with the myriad of lies, distortions,
mistranslations and such which riddle his work, he was unable to show
them to be true.
Nor would Lipstadt testifying have changed that in the least.
>> Additionally, David Irving stated several times during the trial that he
>> was not a Holocaust denier, as he also did during his more recent trial in
>> Vienna.
>Once again. What is a holocaust denier? Is it someone who questions the
>numbers of Jews killed, someone who questions the use of gas chambers?
Well, in this case Evans asked and answered that question, which you
would know if you weren't so abysmally ignorant of the facts of the
matter:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/David_Irving_v._Penguin_Books_and_Deborah_Lipstadt/VIII
<quote>
In the opinion of Evans, the views expressed by Holocaust deniers
include the following:
that Jews were not killed in gas chambers or at least not on any
significant scale;
that the Nazis had no policy and made no systematic attempt to
exterminate European Jewry and that such deaths as did occur were the
consequence of individual excesses unauthorised at senior level;
that the number of Jews murdered did not run into millions and that
the true death toll was far lower;
that the Holocaust is largely or entirely a myth invented during the
war by Allied propagandists and sustained after the war by Jews in
order to obtain financial support for the newly-created state of
Israel.
</quote>
>>> > His twin brother thinks he's a loon,
>>> And what qualifications does his brother have to consider Irving a loon?
>>> Has he debunked Irving's work?
>> He has seen his brother's career go down the toilet over almost four
>> decades as he has been dragged into one court room after another.
>So, does that make the man a loon?
No, his lunacy in defiance of historical fact does.
>>> > his
>>> > daughter carries around a copy of Anne Frank's diary to show how little
>>> > she thinks of her own father.
>>> I wonder what version she carries around? LOL.
>>> 1944-The diary of Anne Frank.
>>>
>>> 1945-Copy by Otto Frank
>>>
>>> 1945-Copy by Otto Frank and Isa Cauvern
>>>
>>> 1946-New version of the copy by Otto Frank and Isa Cauvern;
>>>
>>> 1946-New-new version of the copy by Albert Cauvern
>>>
>>> 1947-New-new-new version by Otto Frank;
>>>
>>> 1947-New-new-new-new version by Otto Frank and the "Censors";
>>>
>>> 1947-Contact edition was a failure
>>>
>>> 1948-Meyer Levin rewrites the entire diary and it sells 60,000,000 copies
>>>
>>> 1950-Lambert Schneider book edition (off Levin's diaries) radically
>>> different from the preceding one
>>>
>>> 1955-Fischer edition () taking up again the preceding one in a
>>> "discreetly" (?) reworked and retouched form.
>>>
>>> 1986-The Diary of Anne Frank: The Critical Edition (1989),
>>>
>>> 1991The 'Definitive' Edition ...Inserts sexual pages for spice
>> Anne Frank's diary, like many books of lasting value, has a complex
>> history, as does, for example, the Bible, of which there are also many
>> versions and translations. Have you ever heard of the Arian heresy?
>Haven't heard of the Arian Heresy. I will look it up.
No, you won't -- you'll try to find out what some other hater believes
you should believe about it.
>>> > His daughter and girlfriend are homeless.
>>> Good! The daughter turns own her own father because he dares speak out..
>>> As for the girl friend, who cares.
>> The daughter has turned against her father because, like Irving's
>> brothers, she sees him as a pathetic fool.
>My father certainly wasn't no fool - had he been a fool, my love would still
>be unconditional. You have a warped sense of family values Holman.
And yet you piss all over everything he tried to teach you about
honesty and rationality.
>> <deletions>
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be 127.0.0.1 wrote
>Roger wrote:
>>>> <deletions>
>>>>> Define the spelling and usage of *feeblewitted* for us Sara.
>>>>> > Then explain how David irving was so smart that he a) LOST; and b) is
>>>>> > currently resting on his laurels in JAIL.
>>>>> (A) He lost because he represented himself.
>>>> That was his choice, and thus his reponsibility. A man who respresents
>>>> himself at a trial has a fool for a lawyer.
>>>I agree.
>> Not to mention an idiot for a client.
>Like I said: I agree 100%
>>>>> (B) He's in jail because he questioned the JEWISH VERSION OF WW-ll.
>>>> No he didn't. He admitted to the court that he was no expert on the
>>>> Holocaust. Thus, he said, any statements that he had made about it had
>>>> to be regarded as the pronouncements of a person lacking expertise or
>>>> the requisite knowledge.
>>>Would you be kind enough to define a *Holocaust Expert* Mr. Holman?
>>>Irving has spent many years doing research and looking through the
>>>archives.
>> .. and then distorting, mistranslating and lying about the results.
>What are these so-called distortions and mistranslations Roger?
http://www.amazon.com/Lying-About-Hitler-History-Holocaust/dp/0465021530
>>>> He admitted at the trial that he had been wrong about
>>>> the Auschwitz gas chambers.
>>>No, he thought he was going to get a deal if he towed the Jewish party
>>>line.
>> your mind reading skills are as shoddy as your security skills.
>Funny, he only claimed that after he was faced with jail.
Funny, you're wrong again. The libel trial was well before his latest
visit to Austria.
Actually, it's not funny, it's just sad.
>>>>> (C) Deborah lipstadt knew she couldn't defend herself or the 'holocaust
>>>>> dogma' on the stand, so she decided to sit in her chair and keep her
>>>>> mouth shut. She lacked the courage of her convictions.
>>>> Nonsense. The purpose of the trial was to determine whether certain
>>>> statements Deborah Lipstadt had made in print about David Irving's
>>>> methodology and integrity as a historian in print were libelous or not.
>>>> Her defense team was able to demonstrate to the court that they were not
>>>> libelous but rather fully justified. It was never an issue of Deborah
>>>> Lipstadt defending herself or 'holocaust dogma'. The issue was to
>>>> determine whether or not Deborah Lipstadt's claims made in a book
>>>> originally published in 1994 that David Irving was a dishonest ezxcuse
>>>> for a historian who systematically and deliberately manipulated
>>>> evidence, mistranslated documents, and presented a political agenda as
>>>> honest history were justified or not.
>>>She claimed Irving's methodology was flawed and malicious.
>> And then went on to prove it.
>>
>> In spades.
>With 10-million dollars and a team of lawyers against one man who represents
>himself - I could prove the earth is flat in a court of law.
No, you couldn't, because the *facts* show otherwise.
Just like they showed irving to be a distorian.
>>>You know that isn't true.
>> Sure it is.
>No it isn't...
Sure it is.
>> How else would you explain one of my favourite irvingisms, the "just
>> change a word or two and you have another entire thought."
>Not as bad as the holocaust industry who do more than change a few words -
>They change a few million so-called victims.
Really? When did this happen?
>'4-million died here, reduce the 4-million to about 1.1million and some how
>the 6-million remains a constant' Talk about a play on words.
No, talk about lying about history.
How many times has it been pointed out to you that the 6 million
number was never dependant on the 4 million one?
That canard was first refuted before you were born, idiot child.
>>>Irving looked into the subject of the holocaust and presented
>>>his findings 'based on the research he had done'. Lipstadt seemed to think
>>>he manipulated his findings based on some delusion he hated Jews.
>> It wasn't delusional, and he *did* manipulate his "findings."
>He did?
Yes, he did.
"Change a word or two" writ large.
>> That's why Lipstadt et. al., won.
>No, she one becasue she had 10-million dollars and a team of lawyers.
No, she won (note the spelling, little boy sic) because the facts
supported her position that irving lied about history.
>>>>> > Yeah, sounds like a winner.
>>>>> It would seem so, it cost penguin books ten million dollars to defeat
>>>>> Irving. not only that, they knew Irving would have ripped the holocaust
>>>>> to shreds had the put Lipstadt on the stand.
>>>> Irrelevant, since ripping the Holocaust to shreds was not the issue.
>>>Oh yes it was...
>> Doesn't matter how hard you stomp your feets, it wasn't.
>>
>> The question was irving's lies about history.
>What was the name of Lipstadt's book? The title of the book will tell you
>what this trial was really about.
No, it won't. The actual complaint filed will tell you what the trial
was about.
Is there a reason you refuse to actually read that complaint?
>>>That was the bases of Irving's defense. Irving was like, IF
>>>I CAN PROVE WHAT I SAY TO BE TRUE, than I can prove libel on the part
>>>Lipstadt.
>> And when confronted with the myriad of lies, distortions,
>> mistranslations and such which riddle his work, he was unable to show
>> them to be true.
>See:
>TEN-MILLION DOLLARS AND A TEAM OF THE WORLDS BEST LAWYERS.
... could not change a single actual *fact* presented.
>> Nor would Lipstadt testifying have changed that in the least.
>Had she took the stand she would have been subjected to cross examination -
>That's when Irving would have blew her and the holohoax out of the water.
Why couldn't he have done that when, say, Evans was on the stand?
Oh, yeah -- that's right: he couldn't because the fact is that he
lied about, deliberately mistranslated and otherwise distorted his
source, and it would have been impossible to change that fact.
>>>> Additionally, David Irving stated several times during the trial that he
>>>> was not a Holocaust denier, as he also did during his more recent trial
>>>> in Vienna.
>>>Once again. What is a holocaust denier? Is it someone who questions the
>>>numbers of Jews killed, someone who questions the use of gas chambers?
>> Well, in this case Evans asked and answered that question, which you
>> would know if you weren't so abysmally ignorant of the facts of the
>> matter:
><snip wiki> Just as I said, if you don't buy into the JEWISH VERSION OF
>WW-ll YOU'RE A HOLOCAUST DENIER.
That's not what it says, idiot child.
Here it is again, for you to run from to the amuzement of all:
<restore>
In the opinion of Evans, the views expressed by Holocaust deniers
include the following:
that Jews were not killed in gas chambers or at least not on any
significant scale;
that the Nazis had no policy and made no systematic attempt to
exterminate European Jewry and that such deaths as did occur were the
consequence of individual excesses unauthorised at senior level;
that the number of Jews murdered did not run into millions and that
the true death toll was far lower;
that the Holocaust is largely or entirely a myth invented during the
war by Allied propagandists and sustained after the war by Jews in
order to obtain financial support for the newly-created state of
Israel.
</restore>
Now, where does that talk about a "Jewish version?"
>>>>> > His twin brother thinks he's a loon,
>>>>> And what qualifications does his brother have to consider Irving a
>>>>> loon? Has he debunked Irving's work?
>>>> He has seen his brother's career go down the toilet over almost four
>>>> decades as he has been dragged into one court room after another.
>>>So, does that make the man a loon?
>> No, his lunacy in defiance of historical fact does.
>No it doesn't.
Yes, it does.
Just like it does for you.
>He was a liberal. Just because he wasn't Jew-Wise, doesn't mean I think less
>of him.
Yes, you do -- you pretend he wasn't capable of coming to his own
conclusions, and you crap all over him every time you post another lie
in support of your irrational hate.
david_michael
> In article <1159201318.3...@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> "david_michael" <david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
>
> > Sara Salzman wrote:
> > > This little gem was posted on Frederick Toben's website:
> > >
> > > Irving's girlfriend is left homeless and bitter
> > > By Neil Tweedie, ntwe...@telegraph.co.au 24 February 2006
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > Why do you consider that to be a 'gem', Ms S? Do you share Ehud
> > Olmert's apparent delight in seeing the lives of political opponents in
> > shreds?
>
> Talk about a non sequiter, Dr. Homeland.
How can a question be a 'non sequiter' (or even a non-sequitur)?
> I haven't said anything about
> Olmert, nor do I plan to.
No, but I did draw a parallel between the two of you.
The delight in seeing someone TAUGHT A DAMN GOOD LESSON. (Even if that
involves smashing up lives.)
> I'm merely mentioning the fact that Frederick
> Toben believes Irving is a fraud.
Did he say that?
> >
> > I don't have much time for Irving and the Hogh woman is clearly
> > shallow, disloyal and thoroughly unpleasant -- nevertheless, their
> > reduction to destitution and the utter destruction of their life
> > together merely because Mr Irving wished to state an opinion is a
> > tragedy.
>
> Oh please. The article says it quite clearly, and I agree. Irving was
> arrested because _he entered a country that had an arrest warrant out
> for him_. If he didn't want to go to jail, he had merely to stay out of
> Austria.
I suppose he was thumbing his nose at the Austrian authorities. But you
see, if you don't challenge bad laws then they don't get changed. After
all, what about all of those suffragettes who willingly got themselves
nicked in Britain not so long ago in order to win the vote for women?
> >
> > I don't despise you and your kind, Ms S. But I can understand those who
> > do.
> >
> > DEM
>
> My _kind_, Mr. Michael? You mean those who respect the law and believe
> that when you go to a foreign country you need to obey their laws?
Depends on the foreign country, I suppose. Would you argue that those
visiting Nazi Germany during wartime should have obeyed its laws?
> Or do
> you mean those who are amused by the fact that even other deniers think
> Irving is a huge liability?
Ah, but he isn't. You and I might agree that the fellow isn't very nice
but he HAS done some interesting research. And the issues that he
raises aren't going to go away, even after he's long departed from the
scene. Quite apart from anything else, the Islamic world will see to
that. It is now for others of a somewhat more academic inclination to
take over where the showman left off and to make the case in more
formal, concise terms.
> What I despise, Dr. Homeland, are people who use phrases like "you and
> your kind," or who can't discuss a simple topic without trying to drag
> in all sorts of other topics and make connections that aren't there.
Why would you despise someone for that? You might disagree with them, I
suppose, but *despise*? Isn't that a bit over the top?
> Can't stand the fact that Irving is the laughing stock of both
> historians AND deniers? Tough luck.
Well I did say that I didn't have much time for the fellow.
My point was simply that the venom you and others of your persuasion
seem to display towards people who disagree with you is rather
spectacular and somewhat scary.
> Sara
DEM
david_michael
That's good news.
I think that the open questioning of conventional World War II
'history' by the excellent President of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinedjad,
will cause a tidal wave of doubt about much 'Holocaust' dogma
throughout the world, particularly in the Middle East. The old tactics
of surveillance, smearing and intimidation will not be able to hold
back that tidal wave. The Nizkor approach is already outdated. McVay
has had his day.
DEM
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
in message
<1159233670....@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>:
>> P.S. Please read the archives below-- they are signs that Nizkor may soon be no
>> more! I am seeking to have McVay's main funding shut down. I have evidence that
>> Nizkor and SAAF have an illegal money laundering scheme. SAAF has violated its
>> tax exempt charter!!
>That's good news.
Why do you consider that to be a 'good news,' cuddles? Do you share
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
in message <2016043.1gXuan201r@X221c>:
>Roger wrote:
>>>> P.S. Please read the archives below-- they are signs that Nizkor may
>>>> soon be no more! I am seeking to have McVay's main funding shut down. I
>>>> have evidence that Nizkor and SAAF have an illegal money laundering
>>>> scheme. SAAF has violated its tax exempt charter!!
>>>That's good news.
>> Why do you consider that to be a 'good news,' cuddles? Do you share
>> Ehud Olmert's apparent delight in seeing the lives of political
>> opponents in shreds?
>You sure seen delight in Olmerts cluster bombs tearing Lebanese children to
>shreds Roger.
Try again, in English this time, little boy sic.
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be 127.0.0.1 wrote
>Ahmadinedjad is kinda cool but he's old. Check out his interview with Der
>Spiegel.
Why did you run away from the thread in which you were trying to
pretend that you would be allowed to proselytize in Iran?
Doc Tavish
Instigator <pat...@fnord.io.com> wrote:
>Doc Tavish <Tav...@tavish-central.net> writes:
>
>>Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>> "How many times do I have to tell you-- I AM RETARDED!!!"
>
>How many times do you have to post that fantasy of yours,
Not my fanasy you window peeper-- Sara salzman did in fact post such. Live with
it you asswipe!
Proof Sara Salzman is a big fat pig who confessed to being retarded in public
forum:
On 07 Jul 2003 01:31:53 GMT, Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
"How many times do I have to tell you-- I AM RETARDED!!!"
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/9d9e9b42701ff692?fwc=1
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/9d9e9b42701ff692?dmode=source
Date: 07 Jul 2003 01:31:53 GMT
(Archived locally as: RetardSara and RetardSara2)
<<Tavish comment: You don't have to tell me numerous times you're retarded Sara-
I have known you to be a retard for many years! Picture of the self confessed
mental retardee: http://www.westword.com/issues/2000-08-10/news/feature3_4.gif
Don't even think about Nuking your confession from GOOGLE you sow because it is
archived locally by myself and others! We learned about how you say things and
then later deny doing such and how you NUKE archives and then act as though we
made it all up such as your Torture S&M Bondage works which some of us had the
foresight to archive figuring you would NUKE them!>>
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SARA SALZMAN HAD TO BE TELLING THE TRUTH WHEN SHE MADE A SELF ADMISSION ABOUT
HER RETARDATION AND WE HAVE HER WORDS BELOW TO PROVE WHAT SHE STATED ABOVE HAS
TO BE TRUE!!
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/defaec4891d9856a
(Archived locally as: SaraLiedNOTlies1)
From: Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Who Are the Liars? aka Re: Yo, idiotchild...
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:50:03 -0700
Message-ID: <catamont-B21D13...@news.giganews.com>
"You can scream in caps all you want, but I have never lied... Sara"
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"I have, Dr. Homeland, NEVER lied to anyone. Not in this forum, not to
the police, not to the media... Sara"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/a31eefeec1d87ece
(Archived locally as: SaraLiedNOTlies3)
From: Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net>
Subject: David Michael -- insane?
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 09:45:23 -0600
Message-ID: <catamont-524FEE...@news.giganews.com>
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Tavish The True
---
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/4f3f54c2954fe23?fwc=1
Subject: UPDATED! Nizkor Project Director Kenneth McVay is a Mamzer Totally
Owned and Controlled by Jews v4.0
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 19:48:29 -0500
Message-ID: <ag8eh29vohvsfml05...@4ax.com>
AND
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/13b49b6b7212c3a3?fwc=1
Subject: Re: UPDATED! Nizkor Project Director Kenneth McVay is a Mamzer Totally
Owned and Controlled by Jews v4.0
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 20:37:48 -0500
Message-ID: <sgceh25si9vco7hk7...@4ax.com>
References: <ag8eh29vohvsfml05...@4ax.com>
PLUS
Kurt Knoll
too. Her we have someone who is the holocausts way gets intimidated or call
it victimized all the way. While at the same time Americans and other can
freely question the Vietnam and Korean war. I do not think there is any
other event in histories that is so highly protected that you people have to
victimize all other thinking people to protect it. If this is not Jewish
control then I do not know what it really is.
Kurt Knoll.
"Eugene Holman" <hol...@mappi.helsinki.fi> wrote in message
news:holman-2609...@c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi...
The Chief Instigator
>On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 13:30:09 -0600,
><catamont-81B689...@news.giganews.com>, Sara Salzman
><cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>>What I despise, Dr. Homeland, are people.. who can't discuss a simple topic
>>without trying to drag in all sorts of other topics and make connections
>>that aren't there.
>Like your kind does!
YOUR kind got their heads handed to them, in a few cases, in 1945. (In other
words, the Nazis.) Got any other psychoses you'd like to parade around?
The Chief Instigator
>On 25 Sep 2006 09:21:58 -0700,
><1159201318.3...@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, "david_michael"
><david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
>>Sara Salzman wrote:
>>> This little gem was posted on Frederick Toben's website:
>>> Irving's girlfriend is left homeless and bitter
>>> By Neil Tweedie, ntwe...@telegraph.co.au 24 February 2006
>><snip>
>>Why do you consider that to be a 'gem', Ms S? Do you share Ehud
>>Olmert's apparent delight in seeing the lives of political opponents in
>>shreds?
>>I don't have much time for Irving and the Hogh woman is clearly
>>shallow, disloyal and thoroughly unpleasant -- nevertheless, their
>>reduction to destitution and the utter destruction of their life
>>together merely because Mr Irving wished to state an opinion is a
>>tragedy.
>>I don't despise you and your kind, Ms S. But I can understand those who
>>do.
>Then you understand me quite well!! :-)
One arrogant kook should understand another - that's why you and DEM get along
so well.
>P.S. Please read the archives below-- they are signs that Nizkor may soon be
>no more! I am seeking to have McVay's main funding shut down. I have evidence
>that Nizkor and SAAF have an illegal money laundering scheme. SAAF has
>violated its tax exempt charter!!
There are signs that you're imploding again, Fatbury. Your neighbors in
Bellville deserve much better than that.
The Chief Instigator
>On 25 Sep 2006 18:54:40 -0500, <szk1wpz...@fnord.io.com>, The Chief
>Instigator <pat...@fnord.io.com> wrote:
>>Doc Tavish <Tav...@tavish-central.net> writes:
>>>Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>>> "How many times do I have to tell you-- I AM RETARDED!!!"
>>How many times do you have to post that fantasy of yours, Bastard of
>>Bellville?
>Not my fanasy you window peeper-- Sara salzman did in fact post such. Live
>with it you asswipe!
Not quite the way you wanted her to post it, Nazi Failure of Austin County.
Doc Tavish
<1159233670....@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, "david_michael"
<david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
Hopefully the racketeers on the American side of the border will do some prison
time BUT as for McVay when his American funding source is shut down he will be
without his significant funding. IOW he had better start looking for a job
rather than living off handouts from hook noses.
Tavish
----NIZKOR.ORG'S Ken McVay's Numerous Documented Lies Regarding His Funding----
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.skeptic/msg/af974e5ec5085cce?fwc=1
(Archived locally as: McVaySlamDunked_A5 and McVaySlamDunked_A6)
Subject: SAAF San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund -- Some New Archives
and The Same Funding Lie by Ken McVay Exposed V3-0 T_0822
Message-ID: <3i9lg1p8efhpoda0r...@4ax.com>
Date: 23 Aug 2005 04:32:17 GMT
------------------------------AND-------------------------------
http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/2a8fb4468666dd3?fwc=1
Subject: NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Caught Lying About San Antonio
Connection! (Those Two U.S. Servers!) V3.0 Updated Links T_0625
Message-ID: <vd4sb1d8mo7qs9np0...@4ax.com>
Date: 26 Jun 2005 02:36:20 GMT
------------------------------AND-------------------------------
http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/fbf9d934e526f0c5?fwc=1
Subject: Nizkor Project Director Ken McVay's Sig Line Deceit Regarding Funding
of his Canadian Based Website V2.0 T_1230
Message-ID: <lj1br1hs001fmtarf...@4ax.com>
Date: 30 Dec 2005 19:56:38 GMT
http://groups.google.com/group/ab.general/msg/5c06fd75fb21497d?fwc=1
Subject: Nizkor LHR Fund; Just Another Self Serving FUND Like the Nizkor
Endowment and Trust Funds? V2.0 T_1002
Message-ID: <k991k1lr0j9n5n15i...@4ax.com>
Date: 3 Oct 2005 03:33:01 GMT
http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/8a5017cb6fa55b20?fwc=1
Subject: Is NIZKOR.ORG Running a Self Serving Endowment Fund Scam? You All be
the Judges! V2-0 Message-ID: <6vttb1hmmg9m76457...@4ax.com>
Date: 26 Jun 2005 18:49:41 GMT
(Actually the Nizkor Endowment Fund and the Nizkor Trust Fund should both be
renamed the Kenneth McVay Endowment Fund and the Kenneth McVay Trust Fund seeing
how the Nizkor Project is a web site solely operated by Kenneth McVay from a
back room of his personal residence. McVay is the sole recipient and beneficiary
of those two "bogus" funds!)
Why Ken Lewis was so vicious in his attacks against me in his defense of McVay;
he's evidently getting some of that laundered money too as indicated here:
http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/a76ebe4ccbcb71ee?fwc=1
Subject: Ken Lewis' Famous Last Words RE Ken McVay's Address AND Ken Lewis
Benefitting from McVay's Funding Scams? V2.0 T_1227
Message-ID: <ks64r157pj30mgsn9...@4ax.com>
Date: 28 Dec 2005 05:21:28 GMT
http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/a8a3cb995ab2448f?fwc=1
Subject: NIZKOR.ORG and B'nai Brith's Apparent Funding Kick Backs and Tax Scam
V2.0 Message-ID: <s45sb1lsas4r52dtu...@4ax.com>
Date: 26 Jun 2005 03:06:12 GMT
(The above details and documents the tax scheme invented and currently
perpetrated by B'nai Brith Canada and Kenneth McVay's Nizkor Project in which
B'nai Brith launders exempt donations and passes them to McVay as tax free even
though Ken McVay is not legally allowed to receive exempt donations. This is
more or less a similar tax scheme which resulted in criminal prosecutions.)
The Chief Instigator
>On 25 Sep 2006 18:54:40 -0500, <szk1wpz...@fnord.io.com>, The Chief
>Instigator <pat...@fnord.io.com> wrote:
>>Doc Tavish <Tav...@tavish-central.net> writes:
>>>Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>>> "How many times do I have to tell you-- I AM RETARDED!!!"
>>How many times do you have to post that fantasy of yours,
>Not my fanasy you window peeper-- Sara salzman did in fact post such. Live
>with it you asswipe!
It's just a coincidence that that one line had single chevrons immediately
before and after, right? That would indicate that you indulged in deleting a
chevron before that statement to make it look like her words.
Quit bitching, Nazi Boy. Be happy someone in your village actually
appreciates you.
Doc Tavish
<127....@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>The Chief Instigator wrote:
>
>> Doc Tavish <Tav...@tavish-central.net> writes:
>>
>>>On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 13:30:09 -0600,
>>><catamont-81B689...@news.giganews.com>, Sara Salzman
>>><cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>What I despise, Dr. Homeland, are people.. who can't discuss a simple
>>>>topic without trying to drag in all sorts of other topics and make
>>>>connections that aren't there.
>>
>>>Like your kind does!
>>
>> YOUR kind got their heads handed to them, in a few cases, in 1945. (In
>> other words, the Nazis.) Got any other psychoses you'd like to parade around?
>
>Hell, according to 'YOU PEOPLE' it was Jews that got their HEADS HANDED TO
>THEM - Uh, that is if you believe the 6-million stuff.
Patrick hints anyone is a nazi if they dare to expose the lies and intrigues of
Jews. I mainly quote what Jews themselves write and teach YET I am called a nazi
so if that is true then my sources have to be nazis as well seeing how it is
them I quote!!! Just look at all of my material I included below!
>
>OyVey! The Goy are starting to think again.
>
>Warning of 'anti-Semitic tsunami'
>
>Anti-Semitism is spreading around the world in a kind of tsunami effect,
>says Chief Rabbi Sir Jonathan Sacks
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4573052.stm
(Archived locally as: AntisemiticTsunami)
Excerpt:
Warning of 'anti-Semitic tsunami'
Sir Jonathan blamed prime time TV and best-selling books
Anti-Semitism is spreading around the world in a kind of tsunami effect, says
Chief Rabbi Sir Jonathan Sacks.
Globalisation had led some people to wrongly see Israel as the cause of all the
world's conflicts, he told BBC Radio 4's Sunday Programme...
He claimed anti-Jewish feeling was on the rise in European countries such as
France.
"A number of rabbinical colleagues throughout Europe have been assaulted and
attacked on the streets.
"We've had synagogues desecrated. We've had Jewish schools burn to the ground -
not here but in France."
<end>
Everywhere more and more people are getting fed up with the Yids!!
On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 12:26:59 -0400, <4955325.fRsBnHI3AA@X221c>, "127.0.0.1"
<127....@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>Globalist Parasites Take
>Fright As German Patriots
>Prepare for Government
>By Michael James in Frankfurt, Germany
>9-23-6
>
>Swimming against a swelling tide of popular anger, disillusionment and
>despair, Germany's corrupt and self-serving political elites are reacting
>with horror to the quiet revolution that is taking place in the heartlands
>of the German nation.
>
>Galvanised by a growing rage at the massive annual transfers of taxpayers'
>money to the state of Israel and the European Union against the backdrop of
>Germany's biggest tax hike in history, a bankrupt and collapsing health
>sector, failed education system, mass unemployment and a tidal wave of
>immigration, voters are terrifying their ruling masters by switching their
>allegiance to radical patriots.
>
>Michel Friedman, a notoriously sleazy Jewish politician, wealthy activist
>lawyer and heavily promoted television personality with a criminal record
>for cocaine abuse and a penchant for vicious anti-German tirades, was among
>the first to condemn voters for sending nationalist candidates to the state
>parliament in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern last Sunday.
>
>"The patient Germany must now be healed with antibiotics because Aspirin no
>longer works," the enraged Friedman wrote in Stern Magazine. "We must make
>it clear to voters that while protest votes in a democracy are legitimate
>they should not be used to legitimate hostile parties."
>
>The pro-German Nationaldemokratische Partei Deutschlands (National
>Democratic Party of Germany) secured six seats in the new parliament, which
>oversees a constituency suffering an 18 percent jobless rate, widespread
>poverty, swingeing cuts in public welfare and an invasion of immigrants
>seeking handouts and black market jobs. The success follows its 2004 entry
>into the state parliament in Saxony, where it now boasts twelve
>representatives, and the consolidation of a substantial parliamentary
>presence in Bremen and Brandenburg in the shape of its sister party, the
>German People's Union (DVU).
>
>The NPD gained significantly in stature last year by staging a walkout in
>the Saxon parliament in Dresden, protesting a one-minute silence in
>remembrance of the "victims" of Auschwitz in place of a similar
>commemoration for the victims of the Dresden Holocaust. Between February 13
>and 15, 1945, an estimated 250,000 German civilians, most of them women and
>children, died in a terrorist firestorm of nightmare proportions unleashed
>by American and British bombers. It has been described as a war crime of an
>even greater magnitude to that of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and
>Nagasaki, amounting to a cold and calculated act of genocide against the
>German people and the irrational destruction of one of Europe's most
>beautiful historical cities, which at the time posed no military threat.
>
>Efforts to ban the NPD failed spectacularly in March 2003 when Germany's
>Federal Constitutional Court rejected a petition from the government and
>mainstream political parties. The court was unable to obtain testimony from
>operatives working for the federal secret police, who had infiltrated the
>NPD as informers and agents provocateur.
>
>However, members of Angela Merkel's increasingly unpopular coalition
>government have moved swiftly to re-state plans for a new banning order.
>Complaining that the NPD's "increasingly aggressive self-confidence" is
>partly based on its constitutionality, the Vice-President of the German
>federal parliament, Wolfgang Thierse (Social Democratic Party of Germany),
>and the chairman of the SPD's parliamentary faction, Peter Struck, are
>seeking urgent talks with the Minister of the Interior, Wolfgang Schaeuble
>(Christian Democratic Union), ahead of moves to outlaw German patriotism.
>
>Demanding "a tougher response from the police and a prohibition of the NPD",
>Thierse reiterated Friedman's argument that protests could only be
>tolerated insofar that such protests are not translated into support for
>anti-Zionist and pro-German political movements. It was acceptable, he
>stated, that the communist PDS be allowed to absorb "rage, indignation and
>disappointment", but the same should not apply to the nationalist NPD. If
>you can't beat it, he argues, ban it.
>
>"Unconstitutional wickedness," says Gerhard Frey, leader of the DVU and
>historical truth campaigner. "It's a cheap idea."
>
>NPD leader Udo Voigt also remains unfazed at the fuss generated by a
>frightened elite and its journalists-for-hire in the Zionist mainstream
>media, pointing out that most of the damage directed at campaign posters
>during the election had been directed at the NPD by their opponents. The
>Berlin police went on record by saying that the emotional hysteria whipped
>up by the tabloid press in regard to alleged attacks on globalists had no
>foundation in reality "and could not be established".
>
>Voigt is now eyeing upcoming elections in the states of Bavaria, Hessen,
>Niedersachsen and Saarland and expects a steadily increasing "momentum in
>the west" with the ultimate prize in mind: the Bundestag in 2009. But for
>the moment, all eyes are on Udo Pastoers, the prospective chief of the
>NPD's parliamentary group in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. Less than a day after
>securing victory, Pastoers paid special tribute to prisoner of conscience
>and historian, Ernst Zundel, placing him alongside Mahatma Gandhi as an
>idealist and freedom fighter.
>
>"Ernst Zundel has achieved the unbelievable," Pastoers said admiringly.
>
>Zundel, who was illegally kidnapped from his home in the United States by
>Zionist agents working on behalf of the German government, is currently on
>trial in Mannheim for publishing scientific and historical information that
>brings into question the factual integrity of the so-called
>Jewish "holocaust". A succession of defence lawyers have been dismissed and
>threatened with prosecution for attempting to provide the court with
>evidence that Mr Zundel is correct in his assertions: a bizarre and surreal
>legal process that is unique to Germany, and which has angered millions of
>civil libertarians in Europe, Britain, Ireland, America, Canada and the
>Arab world.
>
>Both Voigt and Frey have emphasised their keen willingness to work with
>other national independence movements in Europe as part of a long-term
>strategy to bring an end to the European Union, NATO, the World Bank, the
>United Nations and other institutions that represent corporate and global
>parasiticism at the expense of ordinary working and middle-class people.
>
>"There are only two different causes that historically lead over and over
>again to destruction, murder, war and suffering," says 17-year old
>Sebastian Seidel, a member of the NPD's youth wing, the Freien
>Kameradschaften. "On the one side is the abuse of power, greed and the
>arbitrary expansion of hegemony that embraces the insanity of world
>government. On the other side is the response to injustice, resistance to
>the dark powers of evil, the struggle against those who would eliminate us,
>and the dawning of a new will to freedom that fights against everything
>that falsifies and destroys the survival imperative of peoples and their
>cultures."
>
>As the Berlin coalition government comes to typify the worst excesses of the
>decadent Weimar Republic, endlessly promoting abortion, homosexuality,
>atheism and a hatred of all things German while sending precious young
>soldiers to die for counterfeit Israel in Afghanistan and the Lebanon,
>increasing numbers of angry German citizens are quietly and patiently
>preparing to take back their nation and declare independence from the
>Satanic New World Order.
>
>"This time," says Voigt, smiling. "This time."
>http://www.rense.com/general73/global.htm
(Archived locally as: Rense_Global)
Looks like good news and hopefully the tide will turn in Canada and America as
it is in Germany and France as well!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/a1f67a4fdf64a61f?fwc=1
Subject: Anti-semitism on rise worldwide aka Anti-Semitism in Sweden (Expanded)
V2.0 S_0201 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 06:51:44 -0600
Message-ID: <eksp10dhmvhl7iq5v...@4ax.com>
[The above archive relates to the rising anti-Semitism in Sweden, Greece,
France, Germany, The United States and elsewhere!]
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/20deae4bedc378ab?fwc=1
Subject: Hatred of Jews at highest level since WWII and Some Apparent Reasons
Why! V2.0 R_0516
Message-ID: <sk19cv813lllab4b1...@4ax.com>
Date: 16 May 2003 06:36:04 GMT
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As a whole people are getting tired of underhanded tactics Jews use and they are
wising up to how the Jew really views the Goyim as shown below.
~What Jews Teach About Non-Jews and How They View Non-Jews in Their Own Words~
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/fb120f3ee90ebcbd?fwc=1
Subject: Jewish Bigotry as Documented From Their Own Web Sites and in Their Very
Own Words V6.0 U_0922
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 04:28:28 -0500
Message-ID: <82b7h2p92rgjg6a1p...@4ax.com>
Very brief excerpt:
Most Jews don't view non-Jews as neighbors! Most Jews, in general, view non-Jews
as unclean and the Rabbis teach their hordes to not to associate with them and
the scriptures and archives below show such teachings.
John 4:6-9 (English-RSV)
6 Jacob's well was there, and so Jesus, wearied as he was with his
journey, sat down beside the well. It was about the sixth hour.
7 There came a woman of Samar'ia to draw water. Jesus said to her,
"Give me a drink."
8 For his disciples had gone away into the city to buy food.
9 The Samaritan woman said to him, "How is it that you, a Jew, ask a
drink of me, a woman of Samar'ia?" For Jews have no dealings with
Samaritans.
John 18:28,29 (English-RSV)
28 Then they led Jesus from the house of Ca'iaphas to the praetorium.
It was early. They themselves did not enter the praetorium, so that
they might not be defiled, but might eat the passover.
[Please do notice: "They themselves did not enter the praetorium, so
that they might not be defiled..." It looks to me as if the Jews are
very bigoted when it comes to Gentiles! (If "whites" were to treat
"non-whites" in the same manner they would no doubt be called racial
bigots and they would most likely be charged with "discrimination" by
the government in many circumstances.) Notice, though, that they thought
well enough of Pilate to get him to actually do their dirty work. Come
to think of it Jews haven't changed one bit! They still get duped Gentiles
to do their dirty work for them!]
29 So Pilate went out to them and said, "What accusation do you bring
against this man?"
[Pilate had to go out to them! What disrespect! Now do you understand
why many people dislike Jews? It's easy!]
Acts 10:28 (English-RSV)
The Apostle Peter said: "You yourselves know how unlawful it is for a
Jew to associate with or to visit any one of another nation; but God
has shown me that I should not call any man common or unclean."
Acts 10:28 (NIV)
[The Apostle Peter] He said to them: "You are well aware that it is
against our law for a Jew to associate with a Gentile or visit him.
But God has shown me that I should not call any man impure or
unclean."
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Ezra 9:1,2,12 (English-RSV)
1 After these things had been done, the officials approached me and
said, "The people of Israel and the priests and the Levites have not
separated themselves from the peoples of the lands with their
abominations, from the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Per'izzites, the
Jeb'usites, the Ammonites, the Moabites, the Egyptians, and the
Amorites.
2 For they have taken some of their daughters to be wives for
themselves and for their sons; so that the holy race has mixed itself
with the peoples of the lands. And in this faithlessness the hand of
the officials and chief men has been foremost."
12 Therefore give not your daughters to their sons, neither take their
daughters for your sons, and never seek their peace or prosperity,
that you may be strong, and eat the good of the land, and leave it for
an inheritance to your children for ever.'
[Notice the passage: "....never seek their peace or prosperity, that
you may be strong, and eat the good of the land, and leave it for an
inheritance to your children for ever." Don't ever forget this!!!]
Ezra 10:2,3,10,11,44 (English-RSV)
2 And Shecani'ah the son of Jehi'el, of the sons of Elam, addressed
Ezra: "We have broken faith with our God and have married foreign
women from the peoples of the land, but even now there is hope for
Israel in spite of this.
3 Therefore let us make a covenant with our God to put away all these
wives and their children, according to the counsel of my lord and of
those who tremble at the commandment of our God; and let it be done
according to the law.
10 And Ezra the priest stood up and said to them, "You have trespassed
and married foreign women, and so increased the guilt of Israel.
11 Now then make confession to the LORD the God of your fathers, and
do his will; separate yourselves from the peoples of the land and from
the foreign wives."
44 All these had married foreign women, and they put them away with
their children.
[They literally told their Gentile wives and their children
to "get lost!"]
If you don't believe Jewry has long wanted to be a Master Race and is
concerned with their genealogy and family tree then read this:
Nehemiah 7:5,6,7,61-65 (English-RSV)
5 Then God put it into my mind to assemble the nobles and the
officials and the people to be enrolled by genealogy. And I found the
book of the genealogy of those who came up at the first, and I found
written in it:
6 These were the people of the province who came up out of the
captivity of those exiles whom Nebuchadnez'zar the king of Babylon had
carried into exile; they returned to Jerusalem and Judah, each to his
town.
7 They came with Zerub'babel, Jeshua, Nehemi'ah, Azari'ah, Raami'ah,
Naham'ani, Mor'decai, Bilshan, Mis'pereth, Bigva'i, Nehum, Ba'anah.
The number of the men of the people of Israel: { a real long list of
Jews and their offspring up to verses 61}
61 The following were those who came up from Tel-me'lah, Tel-har'sha,
Cherub, Addon, and Immer, but they could not prove their fathers'
houses nor their descent, whether they belonged to Israel:
62 the sons of Delai'ah, the sons of Tobi'ah, the sons of Neko'da, six
hundred and forty-two.
63 Also, of the priests: the sons of Hobai'ah, the sons of Hakkoz, the
sons of Barzil'lai (who had taken a wife of the daughters of
Barzil'lai the Gileadite and was called by their name).
64 These sought their registration among those enrolled in the
genealogies, but it was not found there, so they were excluded from
the priesthood as unclean;
65 the governor told them that they were not to partake of the most
holy food, until a priest with Urim and Thummim should arise.
-->Read verses 64 & 65 and see that Jews were very much into racism,
heritage and preserving their way! Anyone else that wants the same is
a "racial bigot" and if the people are whites then theyare tagged as White
Supremacists.
The above "Old Testament" is rejected by True Christians who accept the "New
Testament" supercedes the "Old Testament." The Jews, however, hold to the "Old
Testament" and al that it teaches and it cannot be denied that the Jewish Agenda
is to restore the "Status QAuo" of the Pharisees before their fall to the
Romans. IOW the 21st Century Jew envisions having all non-Jews back into
subjection to Jews just as it was thousands of years ago. No where in the Old
Testamentare non-Jews treated as equals as a group of people.
Special Note: To see the modern implementation of the above in Modern Israel and
how the Jews treat non-Jews please see these four archives:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/a0c2f4c9e931e472?fwc=1
Subject: Apartheid Laws in Israel (Different Author Series) V4.0 T_0822
Message-ID: <o1okg1ttmf9kgd0nd...@4ax.com>
Date: 22 Aug 2005 23:42:58 GMT
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/3d9a75bb20795c52?fwc=1
Subject: Palestine was Changed to a Socialist Jewish State in 1948 by Ben-Gurion
with Communist Soviet Union's Support V4-0 T_0728
Message-ID: <qfqie1pqg5595f1bb...@4ax.com>
Date: 28 Jul 2005 23:47:06 GMT
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/a9832ff4524f6c1d?fwc=1
Subject: Comparing Israel's "Anti-Christ Activism" to Other Middle East Nations
is NOT a Valid Comparison V3.0 T_0731
Message-ID: <6nbpe1hkig7o14gig...@4ax.com>
Date: 31 Jul 2005 11:30:08 GMT
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/738f69c8aaa88ee?fwc=1
Subject: Jewish Group Advocating Harassment of Christians in Israel via the
Courts? You All Decide! V1.0 U_0104
Message-ID: <blmor1h47v32e8m4d...@4ax.com>
Date: 4 Jan 2006 23:33:27 GMT
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/6397aacef5d06498?fwc=1
Subject: Israel Kills Palestinian Boys, Steals Organs For Transplants V2.5
S_0723 Message-ID: <dgp5g0po2nirmqkej...@4ax.com>
Date: 24 Jul 2004 22:42:55 GMT
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As a parallel- Jews are predominant in the abortion trade which is very
profitable for the anti-Christs seeing how they are paid to kill a baby
and then as a bonus get to sell the carcass as tissue! Here is a new
link documenting Jews and their predominance in the abortion trade:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/2ab9509d68833716?fwc=1
Subject: The Holocaust Against Millions of Innocents by Christ Denier
Anti-Christs Continues V3.0 T_1110
Message-ID: <f087n1l9sgtsc5hvp...@4ax.com>
Date: 10 Nov 2005 19:31:21 GMT
NOW FOR WHAT THE TRUE RACIST BIGOTS TEACH TODAY:
(Excerpts from the archives below)
(Imagine the screams of outrage if non-Jews taught such about Jews or if whites
were to teach such about non-whites or any other group having such teachings
about those outside of their self exalted existence. I ask- Why are Jews allowed
a free ride and why is their bigotry against the resyt of humanity so tolerated?
These a4re serious questions which should be asked and pushed for answers by all
decent people of conscience to such groups as the ADL and B'nai Brith among
other Jewish organizatiions.)
From: "Jews Want Legal and Financial Superiority Over the Non-Jew; Who is NOT a
"Brother" in Their Eyes!":
Deuteronomy 15:2,3 :: New International Version (NIV)
2 This is how it is to be done: Every creditor shall cancel the loan he has made
to his fellow Israelite. He shall not require payment from his fellow Israelite
or brother, because the LORD's time for canceling debts has been proclaimed.
3 You may require payment from a foreigner, but you must cancel any debt your
brother owes you.
FOREIGNER=GENTILE
Here are Jews proving FOREIGNER=GENTILE=NON-JEW=HEATHEN:
<<Special Note: I give all links to the material I post for verification
purposes and if any link is dead for which I show it was archived locally you
need only request the dead URL's web page complete with all graphics as an
offline viewable web page as either a ZIP or RAR (your choice) and I will upload
it to alt.binaries for you.>>
http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:HLx2iy_HSsQC:www.torahcc.org/mishna/5762/21-10-01/shabbat.htm+non-Jew+foreigner&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
(Archived locally as: 21-10-01_shabbat)
http://web.archive.org/web/20021118135324re_/www.torahcc.org/mishna/5762/21-10-01/shabbat.htm
(New active link for January 28, 2004. Archived locally as: 21-10-01-shabbat_2
and as: Torah Community Connections Mishna Yomit.htm [This web archive is
complete with all graphics.])
Week 100 - Shabbat - 27 October 2001
BAVA METZIA: CHAPTER 5: MISHNAH 6
One may not accept an ironclad investment from an Israelite, since it is
interest, but one may accept an ironclad investment from heathens. Furthermore,
one may borrow from them and loan to them with interest. The same applies to a
resident alien. An Israelite may loan the money of a heathen with the approval
of the heathen, but not with the approval of an Israelite...
But one may accept an ironclad investment from heathens - since it is permitted
to loan to a non-Jew for interest...
<END>
From: V3.0 Non-Jew Can't Pour Wine for a Jew -- Only a Fellow Jew Can!...
"We are not allowed to drink any wine or grape juice, or any drink
containing wine or grape juice, which has been touched by a non Jew
after the seal of the bottle has been opened.."
"Boiled wine is really for use when a non-Jew would be in the position of
pouring a cup for a Jew. At the seder, that shouldn't be an issue, as your cup
should be poured by a fellow Jew at the table."
"Wine contacted by an idolator at any stage of its preparation is the
basis to prohibit its consumption by a Jew... Kosher wine has two categories.
First is “not mevushal” which means it has not been cooked or boiled. It is
acceptable for a non Jew to handle the bottle as long as the seal is intact.
Once the seal is broken non Jews are prohibited access. The second category is
“mevushal.” The presumption is that wine boiled after pressing is not associated
with pagan use."
<END>
From: Bigotry by Jews Toward Non-Jews (Wine Bigotry) New Findings [In Their Own
Words Series]
"...Yayin Akum - wine touched by a non-Jew: Rabbis prohibited (even to derive
benefit from) the wine of a Jew if it was touched and moved (or even if it may
have been touched) by a non-Jew..."
"If some wine has been extracted from the grapes pressed in a tank, be it even
only a small quantity, or if some wine has been taken out of it into a vessel,
the entire contents of the tank is legally called wine, and it becomes forbidden
by the touch of a non-Jew even if only the kernels or the husks have been
touched. It is, therefore, forbidden to make use of the tanks of grapes found in
the house of a non-Jew, for it is likely that the non-Jew has already extracted
some wine from it. It is forbidden to let a non-Jew press grapes in a tank, even
if such a tank is provided with a stopper.
We must also be careful not to let a non-Jew remove the kernels and the husks
from the wine-press, even after we have already extracted the first and second
wine from it, as they might still be moist with wine.
If a non-Jew has poured water into wine with the intention of diluting it, we
are not allowed to drink from it. But if he had not intended to dilute it, or
even it if is only doubtful whether he has intended to do so, its use is
permissible.
If a non-Jew touches wine by means of something else (not a part of his
body), or if it is touched through his power, a rabbi should be consulted as to
the fitness of the wine.
When we send wine through a non-Jew, we must take the precaution of doubly
sealing the mouth or the faucet of the vessel.
There are many diverse laws regarding the wine that a Jew makes for a
non-Jew, for the purpose of selling it to Jewish consumers. In certain
instances, even double seals and a lock are of no avail. It is necessary to
consult an ordained rabbi as to what procedure to follow in such a case. The
scrupulous should avoid the use of such wine." <END>
<<Tavish comment: Those last two paragraphs should clue the truly clueless in on
how much Jews trust non-Jews!!!>>
Notice Jews teach that the rest of humanity are heathen and pagans!! Is that not
bigoted and hate mongering?
Need I say more?
Tavish The True
david_michael
Roger wrote:
> In one age, called the Second Age by some,
> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
> someone claiming to be david_michael wrote
> in message
> <1159233670....@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>:
>
>
> >> P.S. Please read the archives below-- they are signs that Nizkor may soon be no
> >> more! I am seeking to have McVay's main funding shut down. I have evidence that
> >> Nizkor and SAAF have an illegal money laundering scheme. SAAF has violated its
> >> tax exempt charter!!
>
> >That's good news.
>
> Why do you consider that to be a 'good news,' cuddles?
If he is ripping people off then would you not agree with me that it
would be a 'good thing' if he is stopped?
> Do you share
> Ehud Olmert's apparent delight in seeing the lives of political
> opponents in shreds?
No, but I do take some delight in seeing those who try to harm others
simply because of the opinions that they express stopped in their
tracks.
DEM
The Chief Instigator
>On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 21:59:45 -0400, <2608601.jm3UOsPvRM@X221c>, "127.0.0.1"
><127....@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>The Chief Instigator wrote:
>>> Doc Tavish <Tav...@tavish-central.net> writes:
>>>>On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 13:30:09 -0600,
>>>><catamont-81B689...@news.giganews.com>, Sara Salzman
>>>><cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>>>>>What I despise, Dr. Homeland, are people.. who can't discuss a simple
>>>>>topic without trying to drag in all sorts of other topics and make
>>>>>connections that aren't there.
>>>>Like your kind does!
>>> YOUR kind got their heads handed to them, in a few cases, in 1945. (In
>>> other words, the Nazis.) Got any other psychoses you'd like to parade
>>> around?
>>Hell, according to 'YOU PEOPLE' it was Jews that got their HEADS HANDED TO
>>THEM - Uh, that is if you believe the 6-million stuff.
>Patrick hints anyone is a nazi if they dare to expose the lies and intrigues
>of Jews. I mainly quote what Jews themselves write and teach YET I am called
>a nazi so if that is true then my sources have to be nazis as well seeing how
>it is them I quote!!! Just look at all of my material I included below!
...which is the same delusional garbage you've been abusing your ISP with for
years, of course. You hate Jews, despite being too stupid to legibly explain
why. Deal with the consequences of your amazingly stupid choices.
Doc Tavish
Instigator <pat...@fnord.io.com> wrote:
>Doc Tavish <Tav...@tavish-central.net> writes:
>
>>On 25 Sep 2006 18:54:40 -0500, <szk1wpz...@fnord.io.com>, The Chief
>>Instigator <pat...@fnord.io.com> wrote:
>
>>>Doc Tavish <Tav...@tavish-central.net> writes:
>
>>>>Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>>>> "How many times do I have to tell you-- I AM RETARDED!!!"
>
>>>How many times do you have to post that fantasy of yours,
>
>>Not my fanasy you window peeper-- Sara salzman did in fact post such. Live
>>with it you asswipe!
>
>It's just a coincidence that that one line had single chevrons immediately
>before and after, right?
It did NOT! If you refuse to accept the fact I gave 100% proof then you are
truly deluded (as I have known you to be for years!).
>That would indicate that you indulged in deleting a chevron before that
>statement to make it look like her words.
I deleted NOTHING! Read the post yourself at GOOGLE. I gave the two links to HER
post!
On 07 Jul 2003 01:31:53 GMT, Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
"How many times do I have to tell you-- I AM RETARDED!!!"
>Quit bitching, Nazi Boy.
Personal attack is all you losers have when you are proven to be kooks.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/623165aa1b6c029b?fwc=1
Subject: My Opposition Proven to be Mentally Unstable, Delusional, Peeping Toms,
and Retarded
Message-ID: <3o38t15bfcpqcqiom...@4ax.com>
Date: 22 Jan 2006 23:00:49 GMT
Tavish The True
Waldo
> Sara Salzman wrote:
> > This little gem was posted on Frederick Toben's website:
> >
> > Irving's girlfriend is left homeless and bitter
> > By Neil Tweedie, ntwe...@telegraph.co.au 24 February 2006
>
> <snip>
>
> Olmert's apparent delight in seeing the lives of political opponents in
> shreds?
>
> shallow, disloyal and thoroughly unpleasant -- nevertheless, their
> reduction to destitution and the utter destruction of their life
> together merely because Mr Irving wished to state an opinion is a
> tragedy.
>
> I don't despise you and your kind, Ms S. But I can understand those who
> do.
>
I've noticed that Ms Salzman does tend to publicly squeal with
unbridled delight every time news comes forward that some "enemy of
the Tribe" (Zundel, Irving, etc) has suffered a setback, defeat or
humiliation.
Given her known proclivities (some would call these perversions), I
would say that it is likely that Sara achieves a strange sort of sexual
gratification from reading of these events.
Perhaps it would be well for her esteemed psychiatrist father to get
Sara on the "couch". (Then again, time on the couch with Daddy may
have been the original cause of these deviancies)
**
Waldo
Observer at Large
Waldo
The Chief Instigator wrote:
> Doc Tavish <Tav...@tavish-central.net> writes:
>
> >Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
> > "How many times do I have to tell you-- I AM RETARDED!!!"
>
> Bellville? I'll be sure to wave at you the next time we're headed to
> Austin...
What's with the veiled threats, Humphrey?
**
Waldo
Observer at large
Doc Tavish
<1159241199.9...@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>, "david_michael"
<david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
BTW that "subpoena" Fatboy Edeiken served on my ISP was a criminal forgery and I
am also seeking prosecution on that matter too! Edeiken's accomplices keep
violating my right to privacy and it is my intent to have all of the
conspirators prosecuted for violating my 1st Amendment Civil Rights.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/dadec970d60b300c?fwc=1
Subject: USC TITLE 18 - PART I - CHAPTER 13 - § 241_Violation of My
Constitutional Right
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 03:17:27 -0500
Message-ID: <4gq9h2t03ccoc0c7g...@4ax.com>
I want my foes to forever regret choosing me to harass. We will see how long
they sneer and jeer when their chickens come home to roost.
Tavish
>DEM
Doc Tavish
Instigator <pat...@fnord.io.com> wrote:
>>P.S. Please read the archives below-- they are signs that Nizkor may soon be
>>no more! I am seeking to have McVay's main funding shut down. I have evidence
>>that Nizkor and SAAF have an illegal money laundering scheme. SAAF has
>>violated its tax exempt charter!!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/4f3f54c2954fe23?fwc=1
Subject: UPDATED! Nizkor Project Director Kenneth McVay is a Mamzer Totally
Owned and Controlled by Jews v4.0
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 19:48:29 -0500
Message-ID: <ag8eh29vohvsfml05...@4ax.com>
AND
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/13b49b6b7212c3a3?fwc=1
Subject: Re: UPDATED! Nizkor Project Director Kenneth McVay is a Mamzer Totally
Owned and Controlled by Jews v4.0
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 20:37:48 -0500
Message-ID: <sgceh25si9vco7hk7...@4ax.com>
References: <ag8eh29vohvsfml05...@4ax.com>
PLUS
http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/7e8cbfce5f14ee8c?fwc=1
Subject: The reason Canadian Kenneth McVay is distancing himself from the San
Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund? (It's illegal for one thing!)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 01:50:56 -0500
Message-ID: <1o9ch2pv1bc148161...@4ax.com>
Facts are facts Humphrey.
Sara Salzman
Doc Tavish <Tav...@tavish-central.net> wrote:
>
> Personal attack is all you losers have when you are proven to be kooks.
Scott Bradbury on the Gentle Art of Debate:
NOW GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU LYING LITLLE SHIT BABY KILLER!!
Message-ID: HYPERLINK
"mailto:fhh7b0t3lj6bs848t...@4ax.com"
fhh7b0t3lj6bs848t...@4ax.com
Care to show what I deleted you fat stupid lying piece of pig fat?
Message-ID: <8pasi0leri5cio525...@4ax.com>
Libel is grounds if Leon is telling his bitch pig daughter such vile
stuff and then having it made public!
Message-ID: <0ciktv8tgf9mkah5a...@4ax.com>
Why don't you accept my challenge you pernicious little shit?
Message-ID: <s012uvg6v38c9ont7...@4ax.com>
Why don't you kill yourself BUT take out two more of your fellow shits
before you do!
Message-ID: <uara10h2b539epgj0...@4ax.com>
Now go have sex with her Urinal!
Message-ID: <opeeb0tm5hqat8b46...@4ax.com>
It is your kind who are the laughoing staocks and that is why all of you
are so bitter!
Message-ID: <s8ft10hi1l547f0fo...@4ax.com>
NOW GO FUCK YOURSELF PULP MAN!!
Message-ID: <rpul00tk1ajl83bjl...@4ax.com>
Now who is the lair?
Message-ID: <tso010h6vh9nq6vlf...@4ax.com>
Whois the imbecile now you pea brain!?
Message-ID: <imef10h5ki6tt4gdj...@4ax.com>
I AM STARTING TO CROSS POST MY REPLIES TO OTHER NEWS GROUPS TO GREATLY
ENCOURAGE YOU TO GET YOUR TRAVELING COMPANION AND OTHER ACCOMPLICES TO
STOP!! I HAVE A BIG LIST OF NEO-NAZI GROUPS I HAVE SEARCHED FOR THAT I
WILL BE GLAD TO CROSS POST TO!
Message-ID: <hd50201eiqr68doif...@4ax.com>
I DON'T HAVE TO PROVE SHIT!!
Message-ID: <djn7201t7f8vtcoe9...@4ax.com>
GET THAT INTO YOUR HARD HEAD YOU FUCKING BASTARD!!!
Message-ID: <7877iv8u1t59ffhh0...@4ax.com>
I KEEP TELLING YOU BUT YOU AREN'T PAYING ATTENTION!! AS LONG AS YOUR
PALS KEEP POSTING WHERE I LIVE THEN I WILL KEEP POSTING WHERE THE TWO
SHITS LIVE WHO MADE THE INFO AVAILABLE IN THE FIRST PLACE!! LIVE WITH
IT PIG!!
Message-ID: HYPERLINK
"mailto:bdfn30hqo2nvdmooe...@4ax.com"
bdfn30hqo2nvdmooe...@4ax.com
So what? You are only miffed because you are a homo!
Message-ID: <c04o9059bcs57auqf...@4ax.com>
You were Yale's star witness so you should get him to re-file and both
of you come to my county and repeat your libelous perjurious lies you
fat evil slob and see how quick you get some jail time!
Message-ID: <fn4i90t6ki1amgt48...@4ax.com>
Implying I have a mental defect is all you have isn't is wh*re?
Message-ID: <iksmgvgbh22ro8i32...@4ax.com>
You like making with the FAT insults don't you KIKE?
Message-ID: <r70itvgvqp0hfrn0n...@4ax.com>
You must be referring to Yale "The Whale" Edeiken!
Message-ID: <mrsdrvkn3nhc6aql4...@4ax.com>
The whale is Yale as in Yale The Whale!
Message-ID: <vegarvsmooa86m0be...@4ax.com>
Well come to my jurisdiction and make your same accusations and get your
mentor to repeat his and we will see how quick you two become jailbirds.
PUT UP OR SHUT UP YOU LYING WH*RE!!
Message-ID: <k6e4hv00ma0udrsmn...@4ax.com>
GET THIS INTO YOUR HARD HEAD YOU GOD DAMNED EVIL WH*RE-- EACH AND EVERY
TIME ONE OF YOUR FELLOW THUGS POSTS WHERE I LIVE THEN I WILL POST WHERE
YOU AND YALE LIVE!! YOU CAN COUNT ON IT WH*RE!!
Message-ID: HYPERLINK
"mailto:td1vgvsiogaet6hch...@4ax.com"
td1vgvsiogaet6hch...@4ax.com
Perhaps if I post where your father lives then maybe you will be
persuaded!!!
Message-ID: <b3cefv44ve7luh5et...@4ax.com>
Subject yourself to my jurisdiction and you will be given a dose of
reality! MAKE MY DAY!! PUT UP OR SHUT UP!
Message-ID: <f5r5hv092109l8gv1...@4ax.com>
You provide a starting point for more hatrassmenmt-- that's the big deal
you bastard!
Message-ID: <pg3hgv4gln3s948ct...@4ax.com>
Re-read what you said above and see who is the fucking idiot!
Message-ID: <f9upgvgg9k4kdo031...@4ax.com>
Go smoke some crack with yo gangstas.
Message-ID: <ptltgv48v6a267etp...@4ax.com>
Why don't you come to my jurisdiction and file a complaint
Message-ID: <r8o9hv0p0gtd8qlfk...@4ax.com>
Don't hold your breath wh*re. If you want to press charges or litigate
come to my town and mind you by subjecting yourself to the legal system
of my jurisdiction I will be able to resolve some old matters myself.
Message-ID: <gj1bhv8m41a09nj79...@4ax.com>
Just like a sicko to deny their words were meant to intimidate!
Message-ID: <io49iv43v2k4fgbp0...@4ax.com>
He won't be laughing when he sees the documents I have to present! You
are going to get a royal deep sixing pig!
Message-ID: <4bgbivci6b1h7nrc0...@4ax.com>
That is your address dickhead and I promise you this- each and very god
damned time you post where I live I will do likewise and I will also
post where Yale and Sara live too because they are the ones who made my
confidential info public in the first place! If you don't like it then
report me to my DA you hypocritical mother fucker!
Message-ID: <7nkdivsuqb91tcvjn...@4ax.com>
My DA is NOT interested in your accusations! He tries criminal cases in
my jurisdiction. He won't accept your affidavit as being true without
proof of the accusations. If you submitted the above to him then you are
hanging yourself you evil lying pig!
Message-ID: <ncgiivg9a3mekr98t...@4ax.com>
If you had read what I lp;osted you would have known you stupid Pharisee!
Message-ID: <3ejskvkagkhk5edam...@4ax.com>
WHY DO YOU KEEP LEAVING THIS OUT YOU RETARD?
Message-ID: <9lirkv027hv40gjd6...@4ax.com>
You're too stupid to see how your glaring hypocrisy has been exposed!
Message-ID: <20komvglbofvsto4f...@4ax.com>
Nope I am not a hypocrite for posting Sara "The Fist" Salzman's Literary
Works seeing how those only make up a very small percentage of my
postings BUT so far you hitting a perfect 100%!
Message-ID: <db08nvgq6p68iv5m5...@4ax.com>
What do you SCOOP? POOP?
Message-ID: HYPERLINK
"mailto:cd4mnv4c7j36ncg53...@4ax.com"
cd4mnv4c7j36ncg53...@4ax.com
I proved nothing other than how you lie, smear, libel, and perjure
yourself you disgusting pig!
Message-ID: <5ro6409oob68bcf3d...@4ax.com>
You are a vile repulsive pig who is a liar, a perjurer, and a hypocrite!
YOU WON"T DEAL WITH THE FACT THAT YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS MENTALLY ILL!!
Message-ID: <74q550l2prd9158m9...@4ax.com>
--
"In America the young are always ready to give to those who are older
than themselves the full benefits of their inexperience."
-Oscar Wilde
The Chief Instigator
Waving in his direction when we're passing through Bellville is a threat? I
did it the last time we were up that way, about three weeks after he'd quit
posting. I have no doubts you'll turn that into another farcical fantasy.
The Chief Instigator
>>> >That's good news.
Another impotent fantasy, in other words. (Free clue: individuals aren't
governments, and you're free to be the delusional whackjob you are. You're
your own worst enemy, when it comes to that...so why would any of us normal
folks want to shut you up?)
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/dadec970d60b300c?fwc=1
>Subject: USC TITLE 18 - PART I - CHAPTER 13 - § 241_Violation of My
>Constitutional Right
>Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 03:17:27 -0500
>Message-ID: <4gq9h2t03ccoc0c7g...@4ax.com>
>I want my foes to forever regret choosing me to harass. We will see how long
>they sneer and jeer when their chickens come home to roost.
In reality, all you're doing is choking the chicken. Some things never
change, and your combination of psychosis and obnoxious idiocy is one of them.
The Chief Instigator
>On 25 Sep 2006 20:57:08 -0500, <szkbqp3...@fnord.io.com>, The Chief
>Instigator <pat...@fnord.io.com> wrote:
>>>P.S. Please read the archives below-- they are signs that Nizkor may soon
>>>be no more! I am seeking to have McVay's main funding shut down. I have
>>>evidence that Nizkor and SAAF have an illegal money laundering scheme. SAAF
>>>has violated its tax exempt charter!!
[bullshit repeated is still bullshit]
>Facts are facts Humphrey.
Let me know in the event you ever inadvertently stumble across one.
Patrick Keenan
news:9060103.qrSCDA4Ysf@X221c...
> Kurt Knoll wrote:
>
>> Certainly you should know how your system works this is what I was
>> referring too. Her we have someone who is the holocausts way gets
>> intimidated or call it victimized all the way. While at the same time
>> Americans and other can freely question the Vietnam and Korean war. I do
>> not think there is any other event in histories that is so highly
>> protected that you people have to victimize all other thinking people to
>> protect it. If this is not Jewish control then I do not know what it
>> really is.
>>
>> Kurt Knoll.
>>
>
Words which happen to be clearly factually incorrect:
> "The Holocaust Is The ONLY Chapter Of History On This Planet That Needs
> Judicial Protection From Question"
And, Tommy, you *know* that that is a false statement. Why, then, do you
continue to promote it?
> If the holocaust could stand on it's merits - the 'holocaust industry'
> wouldn't need such laws.
Here are just three examples, Tommy.
Try going to your free-speech haven, Iran, or any of a number of Muslim
countries, and question the historical veracity of the events described in
the Quran, or whether Muhammad was in fact the last Prophet. Or go to
Turkey and insist that the Armenian Genocide *did* take place.
-pk
Kurt Knoll
countries. why don't you allow free speech about the holocaust in a society
where we are living in.
Kurt Knoll.
"Patrick Keenan" <te...@dev.null> wrote in message
news:12hiodl...@news.supernews.com...
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
in message <3jqhh29crobvb0gli...@4ax.com>:
>BTW that "subpoena" Fatboy Edeiken served on my ISP was a criminal forgery and I
>am also seeking prosecution on that matter too! Edeiken's accomplices keep
>violating my right to privacy and it is my intent to have all of the
>conspirators prosecuted for violating my 1st Amendment Civil Rights.
Of course, this will involve you actually ***showing up in court***,
so we know it's never going to happen.
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
in message <1308980.OdQOla6yi5@X221c>:
>Roger wrote:
>>>Ahmadinedjad is kinda cool but he's old. Check out his interview with Der
>>>Spiegel.
>> Why did you run away from the thread in which you were trying to
>> pretend that you would be allowed to proselytize in Iran?
>I could go to Iran, buy some property, build a church to Odin and scream my
>beliefs from the roof top Roger.
No, you could not.
But it's Odin now, and not Xtianity as you have lied about in the
past?
>Could I do the same in Israel?
If you wanted to -- you see, unlike Iran there is no state religion in
Israel.
>Uh, Of course not Tommy, since your mother isn't Jewish you couldn't even
>get Israeli citizenship
Sure you could -- it's just not automatic as it would be if you were
Jewish.
What hater told you otherwise?
>much less own property and build a church in Israel.
Why do you pretend your ignorance of Israeli law reflects anything but
your ignorance?
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be david_michael wrote
in message
>Roger wrote:
>> >> P.S. Please read the archives below-- they are signs that Nizkor may soon be no
>> >> more! I am seeking to have McVay's main funding shut down. I have evidence that
>> >> Nizkor and SAAF have an illegal money laundering scheme. SAAF has violated its
>> >> tax exempt charter!!
>> >That's good news.
>> Why do you consider that to be a 'good news,' cuddles?
>If he is ripping people off then would you not agree with me that it
>would be a 'good thing' if he is stopped?
A rather big "if," given the complete lack of anything even
approaching proof, don't you agree?
But I'm still confused -- there *is* a proven crime, and the person
who committed it is currently serving his sentence, but that's
apparently *not* a good thing.
Why is that?
>> Do you share
>> Ehud Olmert's apparent delight in seeing the lives of political
>> opponents in shreds?
>No, but I do take some delight in seeing those who try to harm others
>simply because of the opinions that they express stopped in their
>tracks.
Really? What harm has mcvay ever tried to cause?
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
in message <1345242.3RrsEIaHFj@X221c>:
>Roger wrote:
>>>>>> P.S. Please read the archives below-- they are signs that Nizkor may
>>>>>> soon be no more! I am seeking to have McVay's main funding shut down.
>>>>>> I have evidence that Nizkor and SAAF have an illegal money laundering
>>>>>> scheme. SAAF has violated its tax exempt charter!!
>>>>>That's good news.
>>>> Why do you consider that to be a 'good news,' cuddles? Do you share
>>>> Ehud Olmert's apparent delight in seeing the lives of political
>>>> opponents in shreds?
>>>You sure seen delight in Olmerts cluster bombs tearing Lebanese children
>>>to shreds Roger.
>> Try again, in English this time, little boy sic.
>We've been over this...
Your inability to write proper English?
Yes, we have...
>I showed you a website of little children ripped
>apart by Israeli bombs in Lebanon, and you were like, "Oh, well, they
>received fliers telling them to get out"
No, that is yet another of your fantasies, which is why you will not
be able to quote me saying anything even *close* to that.
Why did you think I wouldn't point out this lie, too?
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be 127.0.0.1 wrote
>Kurt Knoll wrote:
>> Certainly you should know how your system works this is what I was
>> referring too. Her we have someone who is the holocausts way gets
>> intimidated or call it victimized all the way. While at the same time
>> Americans and other can freely question the Vietnam and Korean war.
But, of course, no one is going around saying that those wars never
happened, and justifying their hatred of Koreans and Vietnamese with
such denial.
>>I do
>> not think there is any other event in histories that is so highly
>> protected that you people have to victimize all other thinking people to
>> protect it. If this is not Jewish control then I do not know what it
>> really is.
>You're right Kurt. In the words of Mark Weber:
>
>"The Holocaust Is The ONLY Chapter Of History On This Planet That Needs
>Judicial Protection From Question"
Of course, it's also the only chapter of history which is routinely
denied to have ever happened.
>If the holocaust could stand on it's merits - the 'holocaust industry'
>wouldn't need such laws.
Demonstrably wrong, since it *does* so stand -- except in what passes
for the "minds" of dishonest haters such as yourself.
Kurt Knoll
happen or not. Did I ever say the holocaust never happens ?. Then show me
proof I did save all my postings for reference so don't lie in any way . And
even if there is someone out there that say the Vietnam war took never place
he will not get victimized for it.
Kurt Knoll.
Kurt Knoll
"Roger" <roger@.> wrote in message
news:240ih2tpdfsk9jb4k...@4ax.com...
The Chief Instigator
It's a shame Fatbury didn't get off his Brobdingnagian ass and actually show
up in Allentown six years ago...Bellville would be a better place, as a
result.
Sara Salzman
Roger <roger@.> wrote:
Not to mention those three little magic words:
"statute of limitations"
david_michael
> In article <0f0ih2hj69a4r8g90...@4ax.com>,
> Roger <roger@.> wrote:
>
> > In one age, called the Second Age by some,
> > (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
> > someone claiming to be Doc Tavish wrote
> > in message <3jqhh29crobvb0gli...@4ax.com>:
> >
> > >BTW that "subpoena" Fatboy Edeiken served on my ISP was a criminal forgery
> > >and I
> > >am also seeking prosecution on that matter too! Edeiken's accomplices keep
> > >violating my right to privacy and it is my intent to have all of the
> > >conspirators prosecuted for violating my 1st Amendment Civil Rights.
> >
> > Of course, this will involve you actually ***showing up in court***,
> > so we know it's never going to happen.
>
> Not to mention those three little magic words:
>
> "statute of limitations"
Can I just clarify something with you Ms S. Do you support Mr Edeiken's
use of subpoena forms that had not been properly stamped to try to
obtain information about revisionist posters (specifically myself and
Mr Bradbury) from their Internet service providers?
I ask because earlier on in this thread you seemed to disapprove of Mr
Irving breaking the law in Austria (where the 'statute of limitations'
obviously did not apply) but you seem to have a different set of
standards regarding Mr Edeiken's observance of the law in your own
country.
DEM
The Chief Instigator
>In article <0f0ih2hj69a4r8g90...@4ax.com>,
> Roger <roger@.> wrote:
>> In one age, called the Second Age by some,
>> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
>> someone claiming to be Doc Tavish wrote
>> in message <3jqhh29crobvb0gli...@4ax.com>:
>> >BTW that "subpoena" Fatboy Edeiken served on my ISP was a criminal forgery
>> >and I
>> >am also seeking prosecution on that matter too! Edeiken's accomplices keep
>> >violating my right to privacy and it is my intent to have all of the
>> >conspirators prosecuted for violating my 1st Amendment Civil Rights.
>> Of course, this will involve you actually ***showing up in court***,
>> so we know it's never going to happen.
>Not to mention those three little magic words:
>"statute of limitations"
He hasn't quite yet worked his way up to those inordinately long words.
Gord McFee
<3jqhh29crobvb0gli...@4ax.com>, Doc Tavish
<Tav...@tavish-central.net> wrote:
No, not Tavish. Someone pretending to be Tavish.
--
Gord McFee
I'll write no line before its time
Visit the Holocaust History Project
http://www.holocaust-history.org
Sara Salzman
"david_michael" <david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
> Sara Salzman wrote:
> > In article <0f0ih2hj69a4r8g90...@4ax.com>,
> > Roger <roger@.> wrote:
> >
> > > In one age, called the Second Age by some,
> > > (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
> > > someone claiming to be Doc Tavish wrote
> > > in message <3jqhh29crobvb0gli...@4ax.com>:
> > >
> > > >BTW that "subpoena" Fatboy Edeiken served on my ISP was a criminal
> > > >forgery
> > > >and I
> > > >am also seeking prosecution on that matter too! Edeiken's accomplices
> > > >keep
> > > >violating my right to privacy and it is my intent to have all of the
> > > >conspirators prosecuted for violating my 1st Amendment Civil Rights.
> > >
> > > Of course, this will involve you actually ***showing up in court***,
> > > so we know it's never going to happen.
> >
> > Not to mention those three little magic words:
> >
> > "statute of limitations"
>
> Can I just clarify something with you Ms S. Do you support Mr Edeiken's
> use of subpoena forms that had not been properly stamped to try to
> obtain information about revisionist posters (specifically myself and
> Mr Bradbury) from their Internet service providers?
>
I don't believe Mr. Edeiken used subpoena forms improperly.
It's your word against his, and I'm quite sure I believe that Mr.
Edeiken has more honestly, more scruples, and more knowledge of the law
than you and Mr. Bradbury put together.
> I ask because earlier on in this thread you seemed to disapprove of Mr
> Irving breaking the law in Austria (where the 'statute of limitations'
> obviously did not apply) but you seem to have a different set of
> standards regarding Mr Edeiken's observance of the law in your own
> country.
>
> DEM
I have no idea what the statute of limitations is (or isn't) in Austria.
I don't even know if they have something similar to what we have in the
US. I was specifically referring to Mr. Bradbury's years of whining
about a "criminal forgery" that never happened.
Mr. Bradbury's ISP undoubtedly had lawyers. If they were served with a
"criminal forgery," I would expect them to be smart enough to either
prosecute or ignore it.
If Mr. Edeiken broke a US law, he should certainly be prosecuted for it.
But he didn't, and he hasn't.
Of course, this is entirely moot, since I didn't say I "disapprove" of
Mr. Irving breaking a law in Austria. I said that Mr. Irving was
moronically inclined if he broke a law in Austria, bragged about
breaking the law, bragged about sneaking into Austria knowing there was
an arrest warrant out for him, bragged about preparing to do it again,
and then whined about getting arrested for it.
Sara
Doc Tavish
<catamont-016EC7...@news.giganews.com>, Sara Salzman
<cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>If Mr. Edeiken broke a US law, he should certainly be prosecuted for it.
Not yet but he will be.
Doc Tavish
>Sara Salzman wrote:
>> In article <0f0ih2hj69a4r8g90...@4ax.com>,
>> Roger <roger@.> wrote:
>>
>> > In one age, called the Second Age by some,
>> > (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
>> > someone claiming to be Doc Tavish wrote
>> > in message <3jqhh29crobvb0gli...@4ax.com>:
>> >
>> > >BTW that "subpoena" Fatboy Edeiken served on my ISP was a criminal forgery
>> > >and I
>> > >am also seeking prosecution on that matter too! Edeiken's accomplices keep
>> > >violating my right to privacy and it is my intent to have all of the
>> > >conspirators prosecuted for violating my 1st Amendment Civil Rights.
>> >
>> > Of course, this will involve you actually ***showing up in court***,
>> > so we know it's never going to happen.
>>
>> Not to mention those three little magic words:
>>
>> "statute of limitations"
>
>Can I just clarify something with you Ms S. Do you support Mr Edeiken's
>use of subpoena forms that had not been properly stamped to try to
>obtain information about revisionist posters (specifically myself and
>Mr Bradbury) from their Internet service providers?
Don't forget that neither of those two "subpoenas" appear on their respective
court dockets and as the Clerk of Courts will tell you- "any subpoena issued by
the court will be cataloged on the court's docket" which Edeiken's were not. Is
it any wonder Edeiken lied about serving a subpoena on my ISP?
Doc Tavish
<catamont-016EC7...@news.giganews.com>, Sara Salzman
<cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>In article <1159388943....@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> "david_michael" <david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
>
>> Sara Salzman wrote:
>> > In article <0f0ih2hj69a4r8g90...@4ax.com>,
>> > Roger <roger@.> wrote:
>> >
>> > > In one age, called the Second Age by some,
>> > > (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
>> > > someone claiming to be Doc Tavish wrote
>> > > in message <3jqhh29crobvb0gli...@4ax.com>:
>> > >
>> > > >BTW that "subpoena" Fatboy Edeiken served on my ISP was a criminal
>> > > >forgery and I am also seeking prosecution on that matter too! Edeiken's accomplices
>> > > >keep violating my right to privacy and it is my intent to have all of the
>> > > >conspirators prosecuted for violating my 1st Amendment Civil Rights.
>> > >
>> > > Of course, this will involve you actually ***showing up in court***,
>> > > so we know it's never going to happen.
>> >
>> > Not to mention those three little magic words:
>> >
>> > "statute of limitations"
>>
>> Can I just clarify something with you Ms S. Do you support Mr Edeiken's
>> use of subpoena forms that had not been properly stamped to try to
>> obtain information about revisionist posters (specifically myself and
>> Mr Bradbury) from their Internet service providers?
>>
>
>I don't believe Mr. Edeiken used subpoena forms improperly.
You remain in denial.
>It's your word against his,
It isn't a matter of whose word it is against whose. The fact remains that the
court did NOT issue the subpoenas OR else they would have been recorded on the
docket along with all the others in my case!! Contact the civil clerk and get a
copy of the docket for 1999-C-2786 and see for yourself. Better yet I have
uploaded to alt.binaries three jpegs: the "subpoena" itself, the letter from
Flash Net's attorney, and the portion of the docket in which the subpoena would
have been cataloged if it were truly issued by the court under the title
"Edeiken's Phoney Subpoena." I dedacted critical addresses etc. but the proper
authorities have the same documents unedited.
>and I'm quite sure I believe that Mr. Edeiken has more honestly, more scruples,
>and more knowledge of the law than you and Mr. Bradbury put together.
The statement above explains this?
~~Yale F. Edeiken = DISCIPLINED Pathological Liar~~
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/f5d4bc00ccc94682?fwc=1
Subject: Yale F. Edeiken PUBLIC CENSURE Text and Links V5-0 U_0126
Message-ID: <gloit1db06oudvvtl...@4ax.com>
Date: 26 Jan 2006 23:57:56 GMT
Yale F. Edeiken had already received one "Private Reprimand" in 1993 and had
received an "Informal Admonition" in 1995 and then received "PUBLIC CENSURE" in
1998 and then he claimed this after the three disciplinary actions: "Recently
net terrorist Scott Bradbury and his accomplice Lord Haw Haw have printed the
fact that my name exists on a list of attorneys placed on some website. I have
never been charged with any unethical activity relating to the practice of law."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/cdfddbb68d1d5b39?fwc=1
(Archived locally as: YaleSuedTwice and YaleSuedTwice2)
From: "Yale F. Edeiken" <ya...@enter.net>
Subject: KOOK WEBSITE
Date: 2000/01/02
Message-ID: <3870...@news3.enter.net>
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The web site was entirely correct in its report on Yale F. Edeiken!
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http://www.clr.org/pa.html (Archived locally as: clr-org_pa)
Judicial/Attorney Misconduct in Pennsylvania
Following are some of the attorneys or judges who have been reported to
have been disciplined by the State of Pennsylvania for unethical conduct, who
may be a resident of the State of Pennsylvania but was disciplined in another
jurisdiction, transferred to inactive status, sued for malpractice,
incarcerated, whom we understand have been charged with unethical conduct, have
engaged in conduct which tends to defeat the administration of justice, or to
bring the courts and the legal business into disrepute, etc.
[...]
Yale F. Edeiken --Attorney at Law - Supreme Court ID# 40290 (Allentown, PA)
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>> I ask because earlier on in this thread you seemed to disapprove of Mr
>> Irving breaking the law in Austria (where the 'statute of limitations'
>> obviously did not apply) but you seem to have a different set of
>> standards regarding Mr Edeiken's observance of the law in your own
>> country.
Sara didn't mind some perjury herself seeing how she evidently approves of
forging posts in "my identity" and fabricating evidence such as what follows
in Yale's futile frivolous lawsuit against me (BTW Sara Salzman care to explain
why the following is not perjury or falsifying evidence or false swearing (all
of which is illegal)):
From Nizkor- the smear agent for Jews:
>Archive/File: people/b/bradbury.scott/Edeiken-v-Bradbury.C1
>Last-Modified: 2001/02/15
[...]
> 24. That on December 5, 1998, Defendant sent Plaintiff an
>electronic communication stating in pertinent part:
>"You only want to blow Joe
>You want to suck Joe's Aryan cock, don't you Yale?
> Doc Tavish"
> Said telephonic communication is attached hereto and made part
>hereof as Exhibit "A-1."
PROOF THE ABOVE SWORN STATEMENT IS PERJURED:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.flame.niggers/msg/a1fc86b713a7d8a7
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.flame.niggers/msg/a1fc86b713a7d8a7?dmode=source
(Archived locally as: A-1Not1 and A-1Not2)
From: earlt...@my-dejanews.com
Subject: Re: Vapor, Fatelvis, Bull Conner & B9Predator. Prepare for the worst.
Date: 1999/01/08
Message-ID: <12018016...@unribbed.net>#1/1
X-Trace: news.rdc1.ct.home.com 915759892 24.65.203.77
(Thu, 07 Jan 1999 17:44:52 PDT)
Organization: @Home Network Canada
NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 17:44:52 PDT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,alt.flame.niggers
X-Complaints-To: ab...@home.net
> From: ya...@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
> Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
> Subject: Re: PIN JOE DOWN AND SUCK HIS COCK
> > Isn't strange that Yale has only two little harmless posts to offer
> >in his insane attempts to slander?
>
> If they are harmless why are your associates so upset. Indeed you
> admit that. If they were "harmless" they could not be "slander" (they
> aren't, of course).
>
> > REMEMBER: THEY ONLY SMEAR THE ONES THEY FEAR.
>
> But I neither fear you or smear you.
you only want to blow joe
you want to suck joes aryan cock dont you yale
~~End of Exact GOOGLE Archive~~
Not sent by me, not signed "Doc Tavish" and it's from a regular ISP too!
That is perjury submitting falsified evidence!
> 31 That on December 6, 1998, Defendant sent Plaintiff an
>electronic communication stating in pertinent part:
>
> "So why do you still want to suck his cock?
>Do you think you'll become a man by ingesting his manhood?
>
> Doc Tavish"
PROOF THE ABOVE SWORN STATEMENT IS PERJURED:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.skinheads/msg/8e41a2016f1d1527
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.skinheads/msg/8e41a2016f1d1527?dmode=source
(Archived locally as: A-7Not1 and A-7Not2)
From: Laz <hell...@home.com>
Subject: I'm targeted for what? damn.
Date: 1999/01/05
Message-ID: <09018018...@hexer.org>#1/1
X-Trace: news.rdc1.ct.home.com 915502345 24.2.101.226 (Mon, 04 Jan 1999 18:12:25
PDT)
Organization: @Home Network
NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 18:12:25 PDT
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
X-Complaints-To: ab...@home.net
> It is now 8 days since this lying nazi bragged that he would have my
> service with enter.net discontinued.
>
> My e-mail address is still ya...@enter.net,
>
> He is still a nazi.
>
> He is still a liar.
>
> He is still a punk.
>
>
> --YFE
so why do you still want to suck his cock
do you think you'll become a man by ingesting his manhood
~~End of Exact GOOGLE Archive~~
Yale got the author and date wrong too and the post was not signed
Doc Tavish as he claimed in his perjured statement. I also never had
an account at the regular ISP used either! CRIMINAL PERJURY!!!
> 34 That on December 8, 1998, Defendant sent Plaintiff an
>electronic communication stating in pertinent part:
>
>All Nizkooks need to be apprehended, interrogated, and placed in protective
>custody until a final solution can be made.
>
> Doc Tavish"
>
> Said telephonic communication is attached hereto and made part
>hereof as Exhibit "A11."
PROOF THE ABOVE SWORN STATEMENT IS PERJURED:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.newsangels/msg/83b3e74bd83a5500
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.newsangels/msg/83b3e74bd83a5500?dmode=source
(Archived locally as: A-11Not1 and A-11Not2)
From: Pee Kitty <Pki...@mariner.cris.com>
Subject: Re: Furmanski is lame
Date: 1998/12/20
Message-ID:
<84C06A88F1507F28.B631F6D1...@library-proxy.airnews.net>
X-Orig-Message-ID: <20129820...@grinding.net>
NNTP-Posting-Time: Sun Dec 20 21:15:30 1998
Organization: Digital Highway (using Airnews.net!)
NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library3
Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at dhc.net to report improper postings
Newsgroups: alt.slack,alt.newsangels
> From: ya...@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
> Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
> Subject: Re: Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Nizkook Band
> References: <19981207212932...@ng-cb1.aol.com>
> X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.)
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.170.16.148
> X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.170.16.148
> Message-ID: <366ca...@news3.enter.net>
> Date: 7 Dec 1998 22:57:39 +0500
all nizkooks need to be apprehended, interrogated, and placed in protective
custody until a final solution can be made
~~End of Exact GOOGLE Archive~~
Here is the pinnacle example of lying and manufacturing of evidence by Shyster
Yale F. Edeiken who abuses the legal system and brings shame to LeHigh County
Pennsylvania. Count all the lies and idiotic assertions Yale F. Edeiken makes
in the following masterpiece of criminal felonious perjury. All of this is the
same material The Nizkor Project carries at its web site. If The Nizkor Project
will foist these forgeries off as authentic then how can they have any
credibility with documents from World War Two?
> 39 That on November 11, 1999, Defendant sent Plaintiff an
>electronic communication stating in pertinent part:
>
>"You are just as much of a filthy little cock sucker vermin as your butt
>buddy Jeff Brown. You have to rely on out of context quotes and character
>assassination. It would be a pleasure to see someone slowly work you over
>with an ice pick Yale!"
>
> --digsig
> Authentic Doc Tavish
>
> 191xllxyGtVQwy0mtCiBjivyX+knCUXYwdRt ptdrtqb
> qfQbXQtisWlB/E1+yWkYkw1Wr7mGiAFcJ w6Wl/aU
> 4GEbQtlQOHN/G3asOLBC9JmQXWuqXwj BnPCuOV9cd
>
> Said telephonic communication is attached hereto and made part
>hereof as Exhibit "A-16."
Positive proof 100% that the Plaintiff willfully and most maliciously lied to a
civil court with the above accusation:
Xref: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/311c0e402a65a351
Message-ID: <d0ic0v81gdhrd1djq...@4ax.com>
39 That on November 11, 1999, Defendant sent Plaintiff an
electronic communication stating in pertinent part:
"You are just as much of a filthy little cock sucker vermin as your butt
buddy Jeff Brown. You have to rely on out of context quotes and character
assassination. It would be a pleasure to see someone slowly work you over
with an ice pick Yale!"
--digsig
Authentic Doc Tavish
191xllxyGtVQwy0mtCiBjivyX+knCUXYwdRt ptdrtqb
qfQbXQtisWlB/E1+yWkYkw1Wr7mGiAFcJ w6Wl/aU
4GEbQtlQOHN/G3asOLBC9JmQXWuqXwj BnPCuOV9cd
Said telephonic communication is attached hereto and made part
hereof as Exhibit "A-16."
Respectfully submitted,
________________________
Yale F. Edeiken
<end>
Notice what was said in an anonymous post (shown just below) and the date of the
post and compare it to what Yale F. Edeiken charges just above! Remember Yale
claimed I e-mailed the above to him and he claimed I signed it and had my
digital signature and this was done in a sworn document admitted to a civil
court of law!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.white-power/msg/6143fb6ca32f003c
(Archived locally as: AnonIcePick1 and AnonIcePick2)
From: Anonymous (nob...@openpgp.net)
Subject: Re: Joe Bellinger, Proven Liar
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Date: 1999/02/17
> > >>It is thus established that:
> > >>
> > >> - Joe Bellinger stated that he does, in fact, "post deliberate
> > >>misinformation".
> > >> - Joe Bellinger denied having made said statement.
> > >> - Joe Bellinger is, therefore, a liar.
> > >>
> > >>To coin a phrase: GAME, SET, MATCH.
> > >Did anyone expect any different result?
> > LOL! For grown men, you are all so childish.
> Expecting some minimal level of honesty -- a low standard which
> you seem incapable of meeting -- is hardly "childish."
>
> It frightens me that, with attitudes like this, you are raising a
> child.
>
> In article <19990112213243...@ng31.aol.com>,
> deb...@aol.com
> (Debunks) wrote: "I post deliberate misinformation . . ."
>
> --YFE
You are just as much of a filthy little cock sucker vermin as your butt
buddy Jeff Brown. You have to rely on out of context quotes and character
assassination. It would be a pleasure to see someone slowly work you over
with an ice pick Yale!
~~End of GOOGLE aka DejaCom Archive~~
Notice the above was an anonymous post. It was not an e-mail and notice that it
had no digital signature signed by me! Also notice the big difference in dates
the above was posted February 17, 1999 yet Yale accuses me: "That on November
11, 1999, Defendant sent Plaintiff an electronic communication stating in
pertinent part (the above EXACT quoted text)"
Witness this:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/c022726f9fda38eb
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:07:41 -0600
Message-ID: <osjdbt41kq8ov7moq...@4ax.com>
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy/msg/1cfabc9c7a7dd17e
(Archived locally as: LibelousPerjury)
From: kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,alt.conspiracy
Subject: "ALL FACTS IN THE COMPLAINT ... ARE DEEMED ADMITTED."
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 05:00:19 +0000 (UTC)
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
Message-ID: <96fnp3$2bar$1...@news.tht.net>
Archive/File: people/b/bradbury.scott/Edeiken-v-Bradbury.C1
Last-Modified: 2001/02/14
--digsig
Authentic Doc Tavish
191xllxyGtVQwy0mtCiBjivyX+knCUXYwdRt ptdrtqb
qfQbXQtisWlB/E1+yWkYkw1Wr7mGiAFcJ w6Wl/aU
4GEbQtlQOHN/G3asOLBC9JmQXWuqXwj BnPCuOV9cd
Said telephonic communication is attached hereto and made part
hereof as Exhibit "A-16."
<stop>
Crypto Kong does not insert blank lines in between "Authentic Doc Tavish"
and the crypto-text as confirmed by the software's author to both myself
and my attorney!
Here is the official reply to my inquiry:
X-Sender: jam...@shell11.ba.best.com
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 08:51:20 -0800
To: Scott Bradbury <xx...@flash.net>
From: "James A. Donald"
Subject: Re: Inquiry on Crypto-Kong Signatures
Cc: "Daylin B. Leach - Attorney at Law" <xxx...@aol.com>
--
At 0412 AM 2/23/2001 -0600, Scott Bradbury wrote
> The above forged digital signataure is verbatim and is exactly which was
> presented to the court.
To be presented to the court, it must be alleged to have signed
something. A digital signature without the text that it signed is of no
significance.
(Note: I did not include Yale's fabricated e-mail- I just sent Mr. Donald
the forged digital signature.)
> The digsig also has a blank line in between "Authentic Doc
> Tavish" and the bogus crypto-text. Your software does not do this in
> ANY example I've ever seen.
That is perfectly true. My program does not emit such blank lines, which
suggest fabrication, but not strong evidence of anything much, since the
blank line could have arisen from various accidents in transferring text
from one program to another.
> I do this for the benefit of my attorney. -)
--digsig
James A. Donald
6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG
GnwV4rmsIA8faEZwt0YOXUiSSJflZjiLd/kTrWIn
4F1jg73LTqhfLPw9BVz2uDGwa7v2WYBG0wNGHSkoM
<END>
--
As for Mr. Donald's statement: "the blank line could have arisen from
various accidents in transferring text from one program to another"-
the above fabricated signature from Edeiken's complaint is verbatim in the
group of false accusations known as "ALL FACTS IN THE COMPLAINT ... ARE
DEEMED ADMITTED." Notice Mr. Donald's digsig? No spaces and blank lines!
Notice my digsig made on this paragraph alone?
--digsig
Authentic Doc Tavish
Chyeer+xvAMg6mRtq2niuMN+bMnEkGsy0ShVPm2xATn
ejnWmIh1JCyv0DNQedTMFE/cAfXBLuqdxSAkk9w/
4O0CysIswhm2G04W2mJFeW7C7K5RHQkNr3oFBzH6X
NO BLANK LINES AND SPACES!
What are the penalties for submitting manufactured evidence?
[...]
Here is Yale making his false accusation in public forum:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/96a78cfbc2f2fdb5
(Archived locally as: YalesLies)
Subject: Yale's Anonymous Post Signed By Me?! What an Oaf! aka Re: Bradbury
Caught in a Psychotic Delusional Rage
Date: 2000/05/16
Message-ID: <3920d160....@news.flash.net>
On Tue, 16 May 2000 04:12:22 GMT, "Yale F. Edeiken" <ya...@enter.net>
<GU3U4.3347$v%5.24...@newshog.newsread.com> wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/ffe37666e47d760a
(Archived locally as: YaleLied1 and YaleLied2)
>Doc Tavish <doc_t...@NOSPAMmy-deja.com> wrote in message
>news:3920c22c....@news.flash.net...
[...]
>> > Perhaps you should ask your shrink about people who write anonumus
>> >notes to others like:
>> >
>> > " You are just as much of a filthy little cock sucker vermin as your
>> >butt buddy Jeff Brown. You have to rely on out of context quotes and
>> >character assassination. It would be a pleasure to see someone slowly
>> >work you over with an ice pick Yale!"
>> The above is just exactly what you said it is Yale, "anonumus" your word!
>> Just because you are a paranoid and have a psychotic dislike of me does
>> not mean every thing you imagine comes from me.
:
> It came from you
Then why didn't you show the headers which would show so Yale?
>and was signed by you.
Then why didn't you show my signature? If I signed it and it was from me
as you claim why do you call it "anonumus"? It would not be so if were
truly from me as headers would show and it actually had my signature!
What did you say in just another post about the "e-mail" above Yale? Your
own words again: "Perhaps you should ask your shrink about people who
write anonumus notes to others like:" It's ANONYMOUS Yale! You've said so!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/8762ffcf9b7919f4
(Archived locally as: Nradbury1 and Nradbury2)
From: "Yale F. Edeiken" <ya...@enter.net>
Subject: Re: Nradbury Goes Off the Deep End
Date: 2000/05/16
Message-ID: <Ms1U4.3324$v%5.23...@newshog.newsread.com>
(Exact quote for the record)
"I think you need a good psychiatirc examination. Perhaps you should ask
your shrink about people who write anonumus notes to others like: " You
are just as much of a filthy little cock sucker vermin as your butt buddy
Jeff Brown. You have to rely on out of context quotes and character
assassination. It would be a pleasure to see someone slowly work you over
with an ice pick Yale!""
No headers and no signature.
I guess the above is fair proof that Yale likes to forge e-mail even if it
is in his word "anonumus."
>> Your failure to do the same is noted. And will be by the judge.
>> --YFE
~~End of GOOGLE Archive Excerpt (With updated GOOGLE links)~~
PERJURY!! How can the above examples not be criminal fabrications and perjury
in light of all the documented proof?
-->>How can Ken McVay and his Nizkor Project and Yale F. Edeiken who is a
contributor to The Holocaust History Project have any credibility after they
pass off perjured documents as authentic!? I have many more examples from
Edeiken's failed lawsuit against me too!<<--
Xref:
http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/7b61fed6f1b4c516?fwc=1
Subject: The Nizkor Project Deals in Forged Documents and Smear Financed With
Exempt Donations V4.0 T_1220
Message-ID: <msohq1ltuiv3fdvpr...@4ax.com>
Date: 21 Dec 2005 05:29:58 GMT
Also see:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/393e3320dd44fda3?fwc=1
Subject: Patrick Keenan Approving of Forging Subpoenas and Fabrication of
Evidence? Aren't Those Criminal Acts? aka Re: Why won't Sara Salzman respond to
her challenge being met by proof being provided? V2.0 T_0931
Message-ID: <d06sj1h7s0d7hte8d...@4ax.com>
Date: 1 Oct 2005 05:06:24 GMT
>> DEM
>
>I have no idea what the statute of limitations is (or isn't) in Austria.
>I don't even know if they have something similar to what we have in the
>US. I was specifically referring to Mr. Bradbury's years of whining
>about a "criminal forgery" that never happened.
It happened and anyone with any sense sees it!
>Mr. Bradbury's ISP undoubtedly had lawyers.
One fledgling attorney for an upstart ISP and the attorney actually thought a
fellow attorney wouldn't stoop so low so he trusted Yale!!
>If they were served with a "criminal forgery," I would expect them to be smart
>enough to either prosecute or ignore it.
Things have changed since 1998 regarding subpoenas being served on ISPs and as I
have pointed out my ISP trusted a shyster who deserved no trust!
>If Mr. Edeiken broke a US law, he should certainly be prosecuted for it.
I filed a complaint! Remember James B. Martin?
>But he didn't, and he hasn't.
Things change Sara. You need to look at the ZIP file I just uploaded.
>Of course, this is entirely moot, since I didn't say I "disapprove" of
>Mr. Irving breaking a law in Austria. I said that Mr. Irving was
>moronically inclined if he broke a law in Austria, bragged about
>breaking the law, bragged about sneaking into Austria knowing there was
>an arrest warrant out for him, bragged about preparing to do it again,
>and then whined about getting arrested for it.
>
>Sara
Tavish The True
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/7771395b27c10fe6
Subject: Why Does Sara Salzman Keep Evading The Real Reason Yale F. Edeiken Went
Into Hiding? aka Re: BLTN: Bradbury Lacking Twin Neurons V2.0 T_0802
Message-ID: <53b0f1d2m70eln84u...@4ax.com>
Date: 3 Aug 2005 02:47:09 GMT
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/58210ba65c45c1aa
Subject: Why Yale F. Edeiken LOST His Appeal. (Updated Links) V2-0
Message-ID: <it34c154u8rau67d3...@4ax.com>
Date: 29 Jun 2005 03:53:01 GMT
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Why is it none of my foes wants to discuss why Yale F. Edeiken dropped his
appeal and went into hiding rather than having his alleged "Findings of Fact"
go back before the judge!? I was more than willing BUT he went into hiding
and hasn't been heard from since though he "speaks" through his numerous
cretinous supporters who approve of his criminal behavior!
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Yale knew his forgeries and perjury were about to be exposed! That is why he
fled from getting justice like the coward he truly is!
------------------------------------------------------
http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/7b61fed6f1b4c516?fwc=1
Subject: The Nizkor Project Deals in Forged Documents and Smear Financed With
Exempt Donations V4.0 T_1220
Message-ID: <msohq1ltuiv3fdvpr...@4ax.com>
Date: 21 Dec 2005 05:29:58 GMT
--------------------------------------------------------
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/393e3320dd44fda3?fwc=1
Subject: Patrick Keenan Approving of Forging Subpoenas and Fabrication of
Evidence? Aren't Those Criminal Acts? aka Re: Why won't Sara Salzman respond to
her challenge being met by proof being provided? V2.0 T_0931
Message-ID: <d06sj1h7s0d7hte8d...@4ax.com>
Date: 1 Oct 2005 05:06:24 GMT
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/37518764fff1a83c?fwc=1
Subject: The "RETURN TO STALKER" Myth Debunked V3.0 T_1002
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 10:40:14 -0500
Message-ID: <kluvj1t2i5754obha...@4ax.com>
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Doc Tavish
<catamont-016EC7...@news.giganews.com>, Sara Salzman
<cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>> Can I just clarify something with you Ms S. Do you support Mr Edeiken's
>> use of subpoena forms that had not been properly stamped to try to
>> obtain information about revisionist posters (specifically myself and
>> Mr Bradbury) from their Internet service providers?
>>
>
>I don't believe Mr. Edeiken used subpoena forms improperly.
He did!
>It's your word against his, and I'm quite sure I believe that Mr.
>Edeiken has more honestly, more scruples, and more knowledge of the law
>than you and Mr. Bradbury put together.
As for Yale's honesty and scruples:
http://www.pacode.com/secure/data/204/chapter99/subchapDtoc.html
(Archived locally as: Lying to The Court by Lawyer)
CHAPTER 99. CODE OF CIVILITY
Sec.
99.1. Preamble.
99.2. A Judge’s Duties to Lawyers and Other Judges.
99.3. The Lawyer’s Duties to the Court.
[...]
§ 99.3. The Lawyer’s Duties to the Court.
A lawyer should act in a manner consistent with the fair, efficient and
humane system of justice and treat all participants in the legal process in a
civil, professional and courteous manner at all times.
A lawyer should not engage in any conduct that diminishes the dignity or
decorum of the courtroom.
A lawyer should abstain from making disparaging personal remarks or
engaging in acrimonious speech or conduct toward opposing counsel or any
participants in the legal process and shall treat everyone involved with fair
consideration.
A lawyer should not bring the profession into disrepute by making
unfounded accusations of impropriety or personal attacks upon counsel and,
absent good cause, should not attribute improper motive or conduct to other
counsel.
A lawyer should refrain from acting upon or manifesting racial, gender
or other bias or prejudice toward any participant in the legal process.
A lawyer should not misrepresent, mischaracterize, misquote or miscite
facts or authorities in any oral or written communication to the court.
A lawyer should deliver to all counsel involved in a proceeding any
written communication that a lawyer sends to the court. Said copies should be
delivered at substantially the same time and by the same means as the written
communication to the court.
<end>
What PA Code prescribes as shown above: "A lawyer should abstain from making
disparaging personal remarks or engaging in acrimonious speech or conduct toward
opposing counsel or any participants in the legal process and shall treat
everyone involved with fair consideration."
What Yale F. Edeiken did in regards to the above:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/79dab24b047e1e68
(Archived locally as: YaleTheNut)
From: "Yale F. Edeiken" <ya...@enter.net>
Subject: Re: The Common Thread To All These Cancel Announcements...
Message-ID: <SH9g7.634$7d.2...@newshog.newsread.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 15:06:26 GMT
Defendant Bradshit
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
What PA Code prescribes as shown above: "A lawyer should not misrepresent,
mischaracterize, misquote or miscite facts or authorities in any oral or written
communication to the court."
What Yale F. Edeiken did in regards to the above:
Xref:
http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/7b61fed6f1b4c516?fwc=1
Subject: The Nizkor Project Deals in Forged Documents and Smear Financed With
Exempt Donations V4.0 T_1220
Message-ID: <msohq1ltuiv3fdvpr...@4ax.com>
Date: 21 Dec 2005 05:29:58 GMT
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
What PA Code prescribes as shown above: "A lawyer should deliver to all counsel
involved in a proceeding any written communication that a lawyer sends to the
court. Said copies should be delivered at substantially the same time and by the
same means as the written communication to the court."
What Yale F. Edeiken did in regards to the above:
Filed September 22, 2000
PETITION FOR RELIEF FROM JUDGMENT
COMES NOW, the defendant, Scott Bradbury, by and through his counsel Daylin B.
Leach, Esquire, to petition this honorable court for Relief from Judgment,
pursuant to Pa. R.C.P. 237.3. In support of this petition, the defendant avers
the following:
On August 25, 2000, the Plaintiff filed a Praecipe for Default Judgment with
this court. A true and correct copy of which is hereto and marked as "Exhibit
A." Since a complaint has never been filed or served, the defendant is unable
to attach a copy of preliminary objections he would file if the judgment was
opened pursuant to Pa.R.C.P. 237.3 (a).
"[The] plaintiff engage[d] in a vendetta against the defendant... When attorney
Leach asked Mr. Edeiken for a copy of the complaint when he first becomes
involved in the case, he is told "Fuck You" via e-mail. In plain English, this
is not a lawsuit, it is a bizarre war waged by Mr. Edeiken on a man he has never
met. The court should not be a party to this."
Respectfully submitted Daylin B. Leach Esquire
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Let us not forget:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/393e3320dd44fda3?fwc=1
Subject: Patrick Keenan Approving of Forging Subpoenas and Fabrication of
Evidence? Aren't Those Criminal Acts? aka Re: Why won't Sara Salzman respond to
her challenge being met by proof being provided? V2.0 T_0931
Message-ID: <d06sj1h7s0d7hte8d...@4ax.com>
Date: 1 Oct 2005 05:06:24 GMT
~~Yale F. Edeiken = DISCIPLINED Pathological Liar~~
[...]
Need I say more? Yale F. Edeiken is an unscrupulous shyster who belongs behind
bars!
Tavish The True
The Chief Instigator
That's almost as likely as a sunset in the east, Fake Blimpbury.
david_michael
Well that's easily refuted. The documents are available for anyone to
peruse. Would you like me or Bradbury to fax them to you perhaps?
> > I ask because earlier on in this thread you seemed to disapprove of Mr
> > Irving breaking the law in Austria (where the 'statute of limitations'
> > obviously did not apply) but you seem to have a different set of
> > standards regarding Mr Edeiken's observance of the law in your own
> > country.
> >
> > DEM
>
> I have no idea what the statute of limitations is (or isn't) in Austria.
> I don't even know if they have something similar to what we have in the
> US. I was specifically referring to Mr. Bradbury's years of whining
> about a "criminal forgery" that never happened.
Well I did check it out with an attorney in Pennsylvania -- the same
one who defeated Mr Edeiken's one rather feeble attempt to sue me. He
did seem to feel that Mr Edeiken was legally in the wrong although his
advice was that it was probably not worth pursuing given that Edeiken
had other problems. Unlike Mr Irving, I do consult lawyers on legal
matters (at least those involving a degree of complexity) and I tend to
take their advice.
> Mr. Bradbury's ISP undoubtedly had lawyers. If they were served with a
> "criminal forgery," I would expect them to be smart enough to either
> prosecute or ignore it.
Well my ISP at the time, BT Internet, got it and they ignored it. Not
only that but they forwarded it to me! They evidently saw that
something dodgy was going off. I suppose it depends on whether the
people receiving the subpoena forms are bright enough to notice the
problem. I was lucky; Mr Bradbury was not. Had BT Internet not been so
sharp I have no doubt that my former home address would today be
plastered all over the Internet, to whoops of approval from yourself
and others of your persuasion.
> If Mr. Edeiken broke a US law, he should certainly be prosecuted for it.
> But he didn't, and he hasn't.
It would have needed a US resident to make a formal complaint to the US
authorities. I could probably have done it from here via a US attorney
but the chap I consulted suggested that the ends would not justify the
expense given Edeiken's situation at the time.
> Of course, this is entirely moot, since I didn't say I "disapprove" of
> Mr. Irving breaking a law in Austria. I said that Mr. Irving was
> moronically inclined if he broke a law in Austria, bragged about
> breaking the law, bragged about sneaking into Austria knowing there was
> an arrest warrant out for him, bragged about preparing to do it again,
> and then whined about getting arrested for it.
So you don't disapprove of him breaking the Austrian law?
Good. It is a bad law. People OUGHT to break it. And that's probably
why he did.
> Sara
>
> --
> "In America the young are always ready to give to those who are older
> than themselves the full benefits of their inexperience."
Possibly.
DEM
Sara Salzman
"david_michael" <david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
I don't have a fax machine. You are more than welcome to scan it and
email or post it.
> > > I ask because earlier on in this thread you seemed to disapprove of Mr
> > > Irving breaking the law in Austria (where the 'statute of limitations'
> > > obviously did not apply) but you seem to have a different set of
> > > standards regarding Mr Edeiken's observance of the law in your own
> > > country.
> > >
> > > DEM
> >
> > I have no idea what the statute of limitations is (or isn't) in Austria.
> > I don't even know if they have something similar to what we have in the
> > US. I was specifically referring to Mr. Bradbury's years of whining
> > about a "criminal forgery" that never happened.
>
> Well I did check it out with an attorney in Pennsylvania -- the same
> one who defeated Mr Edeiken's one rather feeble attempt to sue me. He
> did seem to feel that Mr Edeiken was legally in the wrong although his
> advice was that it was probably not worth pursuing given that Edeiken
> had other problems. Unlike Mr Irving, I do consult lawyers on legal
> matters (at least those involving a degree of complexity) and I tend to
> take their advice.
Isn't that nice for you.
"did seem to feel" doesn't sound to me like a binding legal opinion.
>
> > Mr. Bradbury's ISP undoubtedly had lawyers. If they were served with a
> > "criminal forgery," I would expect them to be smart enough to either
> > prosecute or ignore it.
>
> Well my ISP at the time, BT Internet, got it and they ignored it. Not
> only that but they forwarded it to me! They evidently saw that
> something dodgy was going off. I suppose it depends on whether the
> people receiving the subpoena forms are bright enough to notice the
> problem. I was lucky; Mr Bradbury was not. Had BT Internet not been so
> sharp I have no doubt that my former home address would today be
> plastered all over the Internet, to whoops of approval from yourself
> and others of your persuasion.
I have never approved of ANYONE posting ANYONE'S personal information,
Mr. Michael, and you damned well know it. I was ALWAYS one of the first
to speak out publicly against the tactics of Nazihunter. And I was also
always one of the first to speak out against the work of a certain
hirsute arachnid you are extremely familiar with.
Unlike you, Dr. Homeland, I have NEVER approved of posting the personal
information of those who do NOT post here. People like my father, for
instance.
Your attempts to project onto me YOUR actions and reactions won't work
at all.
>
> > If Mr. Edeiken broke a US law, he should certainly be prosecuted for it.
> > But he didn't, and he hasn't.
>
> It would have needed a US resident to make a formal complaint to the US
> authorities. I could probably have done it from here via a US attorney
> but the chap I consulted suggested that the ends would not justify the
> expense given Edeiken's situation at the time.
If you could have acted but didn't, you have only yourself to blame,
don't you. I suppose you could make yourself feel better by posting more
personal information of the employers or family members of people you
don't like. Oh wait, you already DID that.
You are a hypocrite of the first water.
>
> > Of course, this is entirely moot, since I didn't say I "disapprove" of
> > Mr. Irving breaking a law in Austria. I said that Mr. Irving was
> > moronically inclined if he broke a law in Austria, bragged about
> > breaking the law, bragged about sneaking into Austria knowing there was
> > an arrest warrant out for him, bragged about preparing to do it again,
> > and then whined about getting arrested for it.
>
> So you don't disapprove of him breaking the Austrian law?
I disapprove of people breaking the laws of foreign countries,
absolutely. If a country has a bad law, the people of that country
should work to change it. Sometimes that involves breaking the law. If
an American feels there is a bad American law, they should work to
change it. But I do NOT in any way condone some American coming to YOUR
country specifically to break the law, especially of Britons don't think
it's a bad law.
I'm not sure who appointed YOU the arbiter of "good" and "bad" laws in
Austria. There are certainly enough Austrians who could take a stand if
they believed their country had a bad law. David Irving, who holds a
British passport, I believe, had no business leaving his own country to
break a law in Austria.
Just like he has no business coming to America, selling his wares, and
not paying the taxes mandated by the US. Do you think taxes are a "bad
law"? Do you think American laws that prohibit foreigners from coming to
America on a tourist visa and then earning (undeclared) income is a bad
law?
I'm curious, Mr. Michael, how you sleep at night.
Sara
>
> Good. It is a bad law. People OUGHT to break it. And that's probably
> why he did.
>
>
> > Sara
> >
> > --
> > "In America the young are always ready to give to those who are older
> > than themselves the full benefits of their inexperience."
>
> Possibly.
>
> DEM
--
"In America the young are always ready to give to those who are older
than themselves the full benefits of their inexperience."
-Oscar Wilde
Sara Salzman
Doc Tavish <Tav...@tavish-central.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:04:06 -0600,
> <catamont-016EC7...@news.giganews.com>, Sara Salzman
> <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>
> >> Can I just clarify something with you Ms S. Do you support Mr Edeiken's
> >> use of subpoena forms that had not been properly stamped to try to
> >> obtain information about revisionist posters (specifically myself and
> >> Mr Bradbury) from their Internet service providers?
> >>
> >
> >I don't believe Mr. Edeiken used subpoena forms improperly.
>
> He did!
>
> >It's your word against his, and I'm quite sure I believe that Mr.
> >Edeiken has more honestly, more scruples, and more knowledge of the law
> >than you and Mr. Bradbury put together.
>
> As for Yale's honesty and scruples:
>
If you had a problem with Mr. Edeiken's honesty as an attorney, you
should have filed charges.
You didn't, because a) you had no case; b) you are a liar; c) you are a
coward.
You were told YEARS ago, Mr. Bradbury. File or shut up. Whining on the
Internet about your problems won't solve anything, and only displays
your petulance and ignorance.
Sara Salzman
Doc Tavish <Tav...@tavish-central.net> wrote:
In your dreams, Mr. Bradbury.
You don't have a case, and you don't have the cojones.
david_michael
Exactly. There are two individuals -- you and myself -- with the
documents in question. There is documented evidence that they were sent
to ISPs. There is documented evidence that they were not proper
subpoenas. They were clearly a trick intended to deceive service
providers into divulging confidential information about their clients.
That would certainly raise questions about the civil liability not only
of Mr Edeiken but ALSO, please note Mr Bradbury, of your ISP, who
appearss to have divulged your information improperly thereby placing
you at risk and subjecting you to harassment. My ISP responded
correctly, did not divulge personal information and forwarded the fake
document to me.
There might also be criminal issues in Britain. That would be for the
police to decide and our police are generally fairly comatose about
minor crimes that involve work to prosecute unless black people or Jews
are the victims of a crime (in which event they shift up several
gears). I hardly think that they'd be very interested in prosecuting a
foreigner for a very minor offence. I could do it myself but, again,
the cost would be out of all proportion to any benefit.
At the end of the day one needs to weigh up the costs and benefits of
attacking one's enemies, even when it is both possible and tempting. I
had a case the other year when an identifiable individual -- Mr Paul
Flavelle from near Grimsby -- sent me an anonymous letter threatening
to kill me and my entire family, mentioning specifically my then
2-year-old son. The handwriting was analysed and it identified him as
the probable culprit. The cops went down to interview him and according
to the account of one officer he was sweating so badly that he had
trouble writing. At the end of the day I decided that this 'little
scare' was sufficient punishment. He posed no threat, had plainly got
the wrong end of the stick and was a politically useful person. He'd
wanted to scare me -- instead I scared him. Others might have paid him
a late-night visit and wound up in jail. Others might have pursued him
via the legal system, a course I'm extremely reluctant to take against
people who are politically sound (even cowardly baby-threateners like
Flavelle). He'll think twice before threatening little babies in future
so it's a case of job done, unless he perks up again.
Likewise with Edeiken. You have to weigh up the whole situation. The
advice I received was that the cost of getting Edeiken would be high.
He already appears to have come down quite a lot in the world. So the
point that was made was basically along the lines of 'Why put the boot
in further?' You might take a different view, of course, which I'd
respect. But that was the advice of the American lawyer I hired.
There are times when you have to go in for the kill. I've learned the
hard way that there are some people who, if let off the hook, come back
and continue their evil deeds. Macchiaveli makes the same point.
However, Edeiken hasn't yet fallen into that category. If he does then
one waits for him to make another wrong move, which he is likely to do
being both hot-blooded and inclined to push his look, and then one
pounces from on high, armed with both well considered strategy and
adequate resources.
> >and I'm quite sure I believe that Mr. Edeiken has more honestly, more scruples,
> >and more knowledge of the law than you and Mr. Bradbury put together.
>
> The statement above explains this?
>
> ~~Yale F. Edeiken = DISCIPLINED Pathological Liar~~
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/f5d4bc00ccc94682?fwc=1
> Subject: Yale F. Edeiken PUBLIC CENSURE Text and Links V5-0 U_0126
> Message-ID: <gloit1db06oudvvtl...@4ax.com>
> Date: 26 Jan 2006 23:57:56 GMT
> Yale F. Edeiken had already received one "Private Reprimand" in 1993 and had
> received an "Informal Admonition" in 1995 and then received "PUBLIC CENSURE" in
> 1998 and then he claimed this after the three disciplinary actions: "Recently
> net terrorist Scott Bradbury and his accomplice Lord Haw Haw have printed the
> fact that my name exists on a list of attorneys placed on some website. I have
> never been charged with any unethical activity relating to the practice of law."
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/cdfddbb68d1d5b39?fwc=1
> (Archived locally as: YaleSuedTwice and YaleSuedTwice2)
<snip>
Precisely. Edeiken has a track record of dishonesty. Ms Salzman's faith
in his 'scruples' and 'honesty' is misplaced. And that's taking the
charitable view. Given her complete volte face on the issue of Nizkor
keeping personal info. on revisionist posters I'm inclined to suppose
that her 'scruples' and 'honesty' are not much better than those of
Edeiken!
DEM
The Chief Instigator
>In article <pllmh29dggi5g2b6v...@4ax.com>,
> Doc Tavish <Tav...@tavish-central.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:04:06 -0600,
>> <catamont-016EC7...@news.giganews.com>, Sara Salzman
>> <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>> >> Can I just clarify something with you Ms S. Do you support Mr Edeiken's
>> >> use of subpoena forms that had not been properly stamped to try to
>> >> obtain information about revisionist posters (specifically myself and
>> >> Mr Bradbury) from their Internet service providers?
>> >I don't believe Mr. Edeiken used subpoena forms improperly.
>> He did!
>> >It's your word against his, and I'm quite sure I believe that Mr.
>> >Edeiken has more honestly, more scruples, and more knowledge of the law
>> >than you and Mr. Bradbury put together.
>> As for Yale's honesty and scruples:
>If you had a problem with Mr. Edeiken's honesty as an attorney, you
>should have filed charges.
>You didn't, because a) you had no case; b) you are a liar; c) you are a
>coward.
>You were told YEARS ago, Mr. Bradbury. File or shut up. Whining on the
>Internet about your problems won't solve anything, and only displays
>your petulance and ignorance.
That would be the perfect epitaph for his headstone (if he even gets one):
"Wouldn't file, and wouldn't quit whining."
sm...@nizkor.org
> My point was simply that the venom you and others of your persuasion
> seem to display towards people who disagree with you is rather
> spectacular and somewhat scary.
- Sept. 26, 2006
> Is it not the case that those young people who are so
> valiantly fighting in the deserts of Iraq are acting quite properly and
> correctly by taking people like you -- people who stand against the
> anti-American struggle in a million little ways -- and cutting off
> their filthy heads?
- August 19, 2005
Steven Mock
david_michael
Sara Salzman wrote:
> In article <pllmh29dggi5g2b6v...@4ax.com>,
> Doc Tavish <Tav...@tavish-central.net> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:04:06 -0600,
> > <catamont-016EC7...@news.giganews.com>, Sara Salzman
> > <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
> >
> > >> Can I just clarify something with you Ms S. Do you support Mr Edeiken's
> > >> use of subpoena forms that had not been properly stamped to try to
> > >> obtain information about revisionist posters (specifically myself and
> > >> Mr Bradbury) from their Internet service providers?
> > >>
> > >
> > >I don't believe Mr. Edeiken used subpoena forms improperly.
> >
> > He did!
> >
> > >It's your word against his, and I'm quite sure I believe that Mr.
> > >Edeiken has more honestly, more scruples, and more knowledge of the law
> > >than you and Mr. Bradbury put together.
> >
> > As for Yale's honesty and scruples:
> >
>
> If you had a problem with Mr. Edeiken's honesty as an attorney, you
> should have filed charges.
>
> You didn't, because a) you had no case; b) you are a liar; c) you are a
> coward.
>
> You were told YEARS ago, Mr. Bradbury. File or shut up. Whining on the
> Internet about your problems won't solve anything, and only displays
> your petulance and ignorance.
>
> Sara
I don't know Mr Bradbury, Ms S., but I'd take a guess that he's
probably not a wealthy person. Getting justice in America is not cheap.
Mr Edeiken does have a legal background and may well have the ability
to push costs up and up. Under those circumstances I'd say that Mr
Bradbury did the correct thing in not taking Edeiken on immediately. He
is also doing the correct thing by posting of his experiences with
Edeiken here in alt.revisionism so that people who take an interest in
revisionist history can see the methods used to silence those who voice
opinions that diverge from the orthodox.
DEM
Richard Warren
"david_michael" <david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
news:1159484799....@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Seeing as how you and Bradbury use more bandwidth than anyone else here,
those methods you're whining about haven't been very successful, have they?
david_michael
Whose country did David Irving invade? Did he perchance cause between
43 000 and 48 000 civilian deaths in Iraq (the tally on
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/ at the time of posting) or perhaps even
as many as 222 232 (the tally on
http://www.unknownnews.net/casualties.html)? Did David Irving, perhaps,
cause up to 49 600 civilian deaths by invading Afghanistan
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_casualties_in_Afghanistan)? Did
David Irving cause what Wikipedia vaguely estimates between TWO AND
FOUR MILLION civilian dead in Vietnam
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War)? Or did he perhaps cause up
to 3,822,000 Korean and Chinese deaths in the Korean war
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_war)?
Did David Irving create a world where in (relative) peacetime a child
dies every 5 seconds from hunger or a hunger-related cause, despite
there being more than enough for everyone -- a world in which more
people die of starvation-related causes every three years than died in
the entire Second World War, even accepting mainstream historians'
statistics? Did David Irving create a world in which more than 1.75
billion don't have access to fresh drinking water (out of a population
of just over 6 billion) -- a world in which some 20% of the population
owns 80% of the wealth, in which 2.7 billion survive on less than 2
dollars a day, in which one in five survives on less than 1 dollar a
day (while 200 million dollars a day are being spent on the war in
Iraq)?
No, Mr Mock. He did not. He merely expressed doubt about the version of
history put forth by the angelic characters who govern the world. And
for that we witness Ms Salzman gloating with delight at his
imprisonment, his impending destitution and, most disgusting of all, at
the disloyalty of the one woman upon whom Irving should have been able
to rely for support -- the mother of his child.
On the other hand the Americans HAVE done all of those things and many,
many beside. Only a few days ago we learn that they were threatening to
bomb Pakistan 'into the stone age'. While you blither and bleat about
the Nazi regime, which ceased to exist in 1945 -- while you fight the
war of a generation ago -- a far greater horror is unfolding under your
very nose. And all you do here is attack those who try to oppose the
terror that is being unleashed by these murderous American devils and
their British and European dupes.
Today I could be thrown into jail for writing what I wrote in 2005 or
for saying anything remotely similar. It would be a very clear
violation of the Terrorism Act 2006. However, what venom I have
expressed in the past for the Americans and their apologists such as
yourself is emphatically NOT simply because they have disagreed with
me.
DEM
david_michael
Welcome to the newsgroup, St . . . er . . . Richard.
> Seeing as how you and Bradbury use more bandwidth than anyone else here,
Now that's a real whopper. If you go to
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.revisionism/about?hl=en
you'll see that I do not even feature among the more prolific posters
here. Moreover, my posts are not significantly larger than the average
in kilobyte terms.
Have you come here to post lies?
> those methods you're whining about haven't been very successful, have they?
I don't think anyone ever thought that they would shut me or Bradbury
up with these tactics. We're both pretty much immune, I suspect. The
tactics are aimed at the casual observer, as a warning. As was pointed
out by another poster not long ago, intimidation appears to be used by
anti-revisionists as a warning to would-be revisionist posters. 'IF you
post here, THIS is the sort of treatment you can expect to receive.'
Who can tell how many revisionist posters have been silenced by
observing the determined efforts by the likes of Edeiken and McVay to
obtain personal information about revisionist posters and to place it
on the Internet? We know of a few cases, such as that of Mr Sabatini,
where there was a clear link between the posting of his personal
information and his ceasing to post. What we don't know is how many
people WOULD have participated in the discussion of revisionist ideas
if they were not in fear of having their identities revealed and losing
their jobs as a result.
DEM
Gord McFee
Yale could be a first-class felon and have more honesty, scruples and
integrity than those two assholes.
[...]
Gord McFee
<0ffmh2la6tm8tsgrh...@4ax.com>, Doc Tavish
<Tav...@tavish-central.net> wrote:
Go away, Ewan.
Gord McFee
<1159484799....@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"david_michael" <david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
Of course you would say that, because you are, if nothing else, an
inveterate coward. In that sense, you and Bradbury are brothers.
The fact is, you lying cretin, that you do know Bradbury, have
conspired with him to publish personal information on anyone who has
defeated you in debate (which includes a vast number of people), and
are engaging in spin doctoring to cover your innate cowardice.
Gord McFee
They have several things in common. One of the most obvious is their
absolute irrelevance to anything meaningful in the world. In the
words of a poster, whose name I have forgotten, "it must suck to be
them".
Gord McFee
<1159494478.9...@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"david_michael" <david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
(1) David Michael states his position on the terrorist murder of over
3000 people on September 11, 2001 in the attacks in New York,
Washington and Pennsylvania.
<quote>
Now, however, the chickens are coming home to roost. This afternoon a
truly wonderful thing has happened: the oppressed of the earth have
turned around and have shown that they do not have to be nature's
eternal victims. They have shown that the poor, the downtrodden, and
the powerless can strike back at the very heart of the dark forces
that are oppressing them. This time it was not Palestinian children
who cowered in fear as death came from the skies -- this time it was
the very fat bankers and financiers who sustain the terroristic regime
of Sharon. This time it was those very military men who mastermind
the attacks on the women and children of Iraq. They thought they were
so safe as they planned death and destruction from their comfortable
offices in the Pentagon, and as they did their dirty deals in the
World Trade Center. Now they have been given a bloody nose that they
will never forget.
Today was a glorious day. May there be many others like it.
Death to American capitalism!
Death to international finance!
David Michael
Message-ID: <3b9e...@news-uk.onetel.net.uk>
Tue, 11 Sep 2001 19:18:49 +0100
</quote>
(2) When challenged with: "You applaud the terror and killing of
thousands of innocent people perpetrated by the terrorists who
attacked the Pentagon and attacked and destroyed the World Trade
Center, calling their actions "a wonderful thing," the day the attacks
occurred a "glorious day," and finishing by fervently wishing for
"many more" such days.", his response is:
"I do indeed."
Message-ID: <3bae...@news-uk.onetel.net.uk>
Mon, 24 Sep 2001 02:26:45 +0100
(3) To a debating opponent who doesn't share his admiration for
terrorism:
<quote>
All I can say in response to your filthy remark is that I very much
hope that, if there is an anthrax attack on America, your loved ones
fall victim to it so that you get a dose of your own putrid medicine.
</quote>
Message-ID: <3bc9...@news-uk.onetel.net.uk>
Sun, 14 Oct 2001 20:34:44 +0100
(4) In response to Joe Bruno:
[Bruno]
> I ask you now to reconsider your position. I wonder if it might have
> been rooted in a momentary anger about something. The people of
> England have a long tradition of respect for law and human life. Are
> you renouncing that tradition?
[Michael]
My only regret, Bruno, is that you were not at the very top of the New
York World Trade Center on 11 September 2001.
Message-ID: <b7fe1abc.02010...@posting.google.com>
Date: 2 Jan 2002 17:59:54 -0800
(5) More than a year later
<quote>
It was not a horrific event, Tony. It was you arrogant, murderous,
scummy, neoliberal bastards getting precisely what you deserve. You
filthy pigs export your murder and your corruption and your dirt
across the world and then you play all holier-than-thou when someone
gives you a dose of your own medicine. Doesn't wash with me.
</quote>
-- Message-ID: <b7fe1abc.02112...@posting.google.com>
-- Date: 27 Nov 2002 20:52:20 -0800
(6)
[Joe Bruno]
> The terrorists were also thieves. The planes they destroyed belonged
> to the airlines.
[David Michael]
In fact, I'd argue that as these Arab gentlemen had purchased tickets
from the airlines for good money, and since the airlines failed to
deliver them safely to their destination, their relatives should
seriously consider sueing the airlines for damages.
</quote>
-- Message-ID: <b7fe1abc.03102...@posting.google.com>
-- Date: 23 Oct 2003 22:13:40 -0700
Gord McFee
SCOTT BRADBURY SAYS:
"I don't rely on personal attacks as my means of posting and the bulk
of my posts prove so! You can't discern the difference."
SCOTT BRADBURY DOES:
"Just like Yids to fabricate lies hoping their victim gets harassed by
law enforcement. Been down that road before you dirty kyke.
Here is what I would like to do to you and which you sorely and truly
deserve:
1) Tie some piano wire around your neck in a hangman's noose and make
a nice attachment loop at the other end
2) Get out the old trusty block-and-tackle and A-Frame and erect such
under a Mesquite tree on a hot Texas afternoon
3) Once you are hoisted up and flopping like a fish then I would
relish slowly whipping you to death for the vermin you are. I'd let
the process last as long as possible.
4) When you are dead then I would roast you over an open fire as a
tribute to the rest of your fellow garbage which has been incinerated.
Perhaps hanging you up on a meat hook like a swine ready to be
butchered would be better than using piano wire and instead of just
cremating you I would cover your carcass in swine feces as a tribute
to your kind and then incinerate your remains."
-- Message-ID: <43de165c....@news.tavish-central.net>
-- Date: 1/30/2006 8:33 AM
"My name is not "Fatbury Scumbag" you stupid lying Jew bastard. Name
call is all a pathetic loser like you has! You have yet to prove me
wrong you dirty filthy lying Jew bastard!"
"You keep calling me "Fatboy" you stupid kike vermin. Why don't you
put your money where your big fat mouth is you Jew scum bastard?"
-- Message-ID: <grreuvc487rg2rg6f...@4ax.com>
-- Date: 22 Dec 2003 22:30:34 GMT
"My name is not Bradshit you god damned cock sucker!"
-- Message-ID: <rpul00tk1ajl83bjl...@4ax.com>
-- Date: 18 Jan 2004 21:47:43 GMT
"Drop dead you Jew Kike bastard! Take the chalenge you big mouth hook
nose"
-- Message-ID: <02io001hb4aq4v5qv...@4ax.com>
-- Date: 19 Jan 2004 21:11:46 GMT
"BTW my name is not Blubberbury you pig fucker!"
-- Message-ID: <csmn109c84gsumkhr...@4ax.com>
-- Date: 31 Jan 2004 16:43:08 GMT
"WHAT A HYPOCRITE YOU ATRE YOU FAT STUPID EVIL PIG!!"
-- Message-ID: <beu2201u72bu17ggd...@4ax.com>
-- Date: 5 Feb 2004 00:16:45 GMT
"Lying Pharisee filth!"
-- Message-ID: <j7j720dm2rofmoavd...@4ax.com>
-- Date: 6 Feb 2004 17:20:33 GMT
"BTW my name is not Fatbury you worthless piece of crematoria
clinker!"
-- Message-ID: <e0jb209a7ecpkb5bs...@4ax.com>
-- Date: 8 Feb 2004 05:50:26 GMT
"My name is not Bradbum you stupid kike bastard!"
-- Message-ID: <3jrd20laqaaga4get...@4ax.com>
-- Date: 9 Feb 2004 02:28:41 GMT
"But I was not diagnosed as "morbidly obese" you evil kike and you are
perpetuating a lie started by your fellow filthy kike hook nosed
vermin named ..."
-- Message-ID: <aicf205n22m633c6b...@4ax.com>
-- Date: 9 Feb 2004 16:18:41 GMT
"My name is not Fatboy you filthy kike krema klinker!"
-- Message-ID: <9jsd209si9vrc1ued...@4ax.com>
-- Date: 9 Feb 2004 02:35:11 GMT
"My name is not Fatboy you stupid kike hog!"
-- Message-ID: <3u8f20hqg6go39plp...@4ax.com>
-- Date: 9 Feb 2004 15:16:14 GMT
"Now go fist yourself you ghastly looking piece of trash filth!"
-- Message-ID: <mhei20tj3uig91l5q...@4ax.com>
-- Date: 10 Feb 2004 20:13:35 GMT
"My name is NOT Bradshit you evil cock sucker"
-- Message-ID: <sr1l20dms17jj49bs...@4ax.com>
-- Date: 11 Feb 2004 19:49:52 GMT
"My name is not Bradshit you fucking little punk bastard!"
-- Message-ID: <12ro20l6df9cmqgt4...@4ax.com>
-- Date: 13 Feb 2004 06:16:21 GMT
"Wipe the smegam from your lips you Jew fag."
-- Message-ID: <4jmo20lioc4e6db5s...@4ax.com>
-- Date: 13 Feb 2004 05:00:22 GMT
"My name is not Scottkins you stupid fag punk!"
-- Message-ID: <57tp20l0hb45jnasi...@4ax.com>
-- Date: 13 Feb 2004 16:00:52 GMT
"My name is not Scottykins you faggot punk cock sucker!"
-- Message-ID: <261q205o2dov6t27a...@4ax.com>
-- Date: 13 Feb 2004 17:07:47 GMT
"My name is not Bradshit you stupid punk cock sucker! I NEVER stated I
was making a web site you dick licker! Re-read what I posted you
hateful little bastard! Now go gas yourself."
-- Message-ID: <jrsp20tv78q3e7fct...@4ax.com>
-- Date: 13 Feb 2004 15:55:09 GMT
"My name is not Bradshit you cock sucking punk!"
-- Message-ID: <1aos20dj3mjquchb2...@4ax.com>
-- Date: 14 Feb 2004 18:05:56 GMT
"Don't count on it you fat slob!!"
-- Message-ID: <m3sd305oq9srsgkd7...@4ax.com>
-- Date: 21 Feb 2004 05:44:30 GMT
"My name is not Fatboy you damned by God anti-Christ Child of the
Devil!"
-- Message-ID: <gpor301ttl2i7l7gj...@4ax.com>
-- Date: 26 Feb 2004 12:13:03 GMT
"You Jewish witches sure are a crazy ditzy bunch of swine!"
-- Message-ID: <d86t30tciihfgba16...@4ax.com>
-- Date: 27 Feb 2004 01:08:14 GMT
"Read and heed rat boy:"
-- Message-ID: <ujf040h6gguubbnne...@4ax.com>
-- Date: 28 Feb 2004 07:19:09 GMT
"My name is not Scottokins you penis sucker!"
-- Message-ID: <t77240taigsnq8tam...@4ax.com>
-- Date: 28 Feb 2004 22:58:43 GMT
"My name is not Fatboy you Khazir Kike."
-- Message-ID: <bqo640d48ks6hnt5o...@4ax.com>
-- Date: 1 Mar 2004 16:19:04 GMT
"My name is not Fatboy you stupid Kike Swine!"
-- Message-ID: <ulq640hrboqvhbqko...@4ax.com>
-- Date: 1 Mar 2004 16:50:55 GMT
"Are you Ken's latest BUM BOY?"
-- Message-ID: <7i4840lon110effgi...@4ax.com>
-- Date: 2 Mar 2004 04:46:37 GMT
"Your Chutzpa is not working you Ken McVay BUM BOY!!"
-- Message-ID: <1hta405nm15pio4vu...@4ax.com>
-- Date: 3 Mar 2004 06:19:40 GMT
"Look at the header info you dumb Jewess:"
-- Message-ID: <braf401gv09448446...@4ax.com>
-- Date: 4 Mar 2004 22:20:52 GMT
"My name is not Fatboy you dirty kike swine ... STOP BEING FILTHY JEW
KIKE VERMIN LIAR!!
-- Message-ID: <b3r550pe2hmg4g9o9...@4ax.com>
-- Date: 13 Mar 2004 11:09:32 GMT
"Grow up you ignorant kike vermin."
-- Message-ID: <jl1m50hohb9rbrdg6...@4ax.com>
-- Date: 19 Mar 2004 14:38:50 GMT
"YOU MADE YOUR PERVERTED SEX LIFE PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE YOU FAT STUPID
FILTHY SWINE!!"
-- Message-ID: <bn4i90pn2cm6ivm3d...@4ax.com>
-- Date: 5 May 2004 16:10:23 GMT
"Here's hoping a pack of pit bull dogs rips you to pieces."
-- Message-ID: <16t7b0hq3r9pgjtqs...@4ax.com>
-- Date: 26 May 2004 01:32:01 GMT
SCOTT BRADBURY'S OBSESSION WITH "FISTING"
How am I obsessed with "fisting" just by posting what your fellow
Jewish filth posted about her fisting herself?
Message-ID: i73hfvcs93cff63fu...@4ax.com
Now do what you do best you fat stupid pig-- GO FIST YOURSELF!!!
Message-ID: <7bh4j010qdnqlr90i...@4ax.com>
Do what you do best pig and go fist yourself!
Message-ID: <tnsag09t16k4n91c9...@4ax.com>
BTW go fist yourself you perjurious lying filthy pig!
Message-ID: <ssa2g05es6cfuv2ol...@4ax.com>
You really are a fat disgusting repulsive lying perjurious pig of the
worst sort and now I say "Go do what you do best you fat pig-- GO FIST
YOURSELF!!!"
Message-ID: <bgg6j05gtdb24tpb9...@4ax.com>
Now go fist yourself you vile beast.
Message-ID: <ompod017m15voaf03...@4ax.com>
NOW GO FIST YOURSELF OR HAVE YOUR MASTER WHIP YOUR BREASTS YOU FAT
PERVERTED PIG BITCH!!
Message-ID: <6cmcb0do9vlhigqto...@4ax.com>
Now go fist yourself you fat bitch!
Message-ID: <d48cb0p4isqn098r4...@4ax.com>
Now waddle away and go fist yourself you fat stupid pig!
Message-ID: <5ao7b01dml040sovl...@4ax.com>
Now go fist yourself you stupid pig!
Message-ID: <7n4i909n7asa109m3...@4ax.com>
Now go fist yourself you Jew Trash pig!
Message-ID: qpffuvsmljmko38gh...@4ax.com
Now go fist yourself you ugly lying slob!
Message-ID: <7pqa809g3pgopikod...@4ax.com>
Now go fist yourself you dirty pig!
Message-ID: <omg900h56h453s8em...@4ax.com>
NOW GO FIST YOURSELF!
Message-ID: <fn4i90t6ki1amgt48...@4ax.com>
YOU HAVE BEEN SLAM DUNKED YOU SQUEALING FISTING PIG!
Message-ID: o5gfuvo4f1qt32pa9...@4ax.com
Now go fist your fat twat you homely repulsive lying bitch
Message-ID: j4ietv4cj534m8ldd...@4ax.com
Now go fist that fat crotch gash you have you dirty pig!
Message-ID: <gqintv00kvicq8egg...@4ax.com>
NOW GO FIST YOURSELF YOU DIRTY PIGT!!
Message-ID: <v2bstvsfhu6bu5je7...@4ax.com>
Now go fist yourself Roger and Sara can instruct you on how to do it!
Message-ID: <p2kntvs21dvuurutf...@4ax.com>
Now go fist yourself you ugly whore!
Message-ID: <8v7vtv4a4d68l1jtm...@4ax.com>
NOW GO FIST YOURSELF YOU REPULSIVE SLOB!!
Message-ID: <h39huvc7d7lnt1qif...@4ax.com>
NOW GO FIST YOURSELF YOU DIRTY SWINE!
Message-ID: <i5dl30ljtosdr8sfq...@4ax.com>
Now go fist yourself you Jew Trash pig!
Message-ID: srffuvge1k3e9dhc7...@4ax.com
NOW GO FIOST YOURSELF YOU FILTHY WHORE!
Message-ID: <ijk110dj63q3nmu95...@4ax.com>
Now go fist yourself you fat pig!
Message-ID: <9j6n00h2elgt6lk9u...@4ax.com>
Now go fist yourself you ugly whore!
Message-ID: <ngf400pbdmh85itdq...@4ax.com>
Now go fist yourself you dirty pig!
Message-ID: <4aqknvocjt8plmofm...@4ax.com>
Now go fist yourself you repulsive pig!
Message-ID: <cmp8nvk37m9q2earr...@4ax.com>
Now go fist yourself you fat slob!
Message-ID: <hs4910h7k3ee62gk3...@4ax.com>
NOW GO FIST YOURSELF YOU FAT DISGUSTING JEWISH SOW!!
Message-ID: <oiffuv0fbc8vurp6d...@4ax.com>
Now go fist yourself you piece of filth!
Message-ID: <j10o10p7asiboh8al...@4ax.com>
Now go fist yourself you dumbtwat!
Message-ID: <5meiuvkpkf634p1rc...@4ax.com>
Now go fist yourself you dumbtwat!
Message-ID: <qqljuv0nrrh31174d...@4ax.com>
Now go fist yourself you fat slob pig!
Message-ID: <l0mjuvoe63rptqol9...@4ax.com>
Now go fist yourself you slob!
Message-ID: <9lu8svclv2204h1d5...@4ax.com>
Go fist yourself you pig!
Message-ID: <clvj00lkbmd99jgvj...@4ax.com>
Go fist yourself you nasty pig!
Message-ID: <iftdrv8c3dkn38plc...@4ax.com>
Now go fist yourself you fat ugly disgusting piece of pig fat!
Message-ID: <t6r6rv8lcj9352vof...@4ax.com>
Now go fist that maggot oozing crack you have you dirty sow.
Message-ID: <h6p8nvcrpuf6k5vns...@4ax.com>
Now go fist yourself you nasty pig!
Message-ID: <9v8bnvs4iehu9r969...@4ax.com>
Now go fist yourself you repulsive slob!
Message-ID: <9v71mvsbt1k9bnn10...@4ax.com>
Now go fist yourself you fat repulsive slob!
Message-ID: <b8tdnvkhuvdsvnhf6...@4ax.com>
Now go fist yourself you repulsive whore!
Message-ID: <5klenvgmdhhetp06r...@4ax.com>
Now go fist yourself you pathetic slob!
Message-ID: <9lirkv027hv40gjd6...@4ax.com>
Now go fist yourself you squealing pig.
Message-ID: <nh2givsthrn5fu24p...@4ax.com>
Now go fist yourself hook nose and if you don't know how then Jewess
Sara "The Fist" Salzman can teach you how!
Message-ID: <fnim00hl94ho2pjvc...@4ax.com>
Now go fist yourself and if you don't know how then get sara to each
you seeing how she is the expert!
Message-ID: <saul009bj5405pbpf...@4ax.com>
Now go do what you do best pig- go fist your big fat ass!
Message-ID: <r6ptrvs5ajh16jtgs...@4ax.com>
Since when is "fisting" your big fat twat having consensual sex you
fat pig?
Message-ID: <g8s0sv8pslfu50jg7...@4ax.com>
Perhaps you can Sara "The Fist" Salzman to fist you and see if she can
dislodge your shit! YOU NEED IT!
Message-ID: <ca09001i0kc2qo0f5...@4ax.com>
I bet she is fisting herself when she posts it just like Michael
Ragland jacks off when he posts!
Message-ID: <nj202051fob5ifpb8...@4ax.com>
YOU HAVE BEEN SLAM DUNKED YOU SQUEALING FISTING PIG!
Message-ID: <qce3uv450sseljgtm...@4ax.com>
BTW I did NOT visit those links but the GOOGLE summary results are
enough to prove Sara is trying to divert from the fact she fists her
own dirty crack! Care to admit you are a lying filthy pig who fists
yourself you pig!?
Message-ID: <h0gfuv0k55032optc...@4ax.com>
He's filth, YOU'RE filth, Yale is filth and all the rest like you! Now
go fist yourself you filthy slut dumbtwat!
Message-ID: <l4ffuv47bik9699dq...@4ax.com>
You need to ask who asked the question but seeing how you won't
answer- which body cavity do you fist-- your asshole or nasty
poontang?
Message-ID: db6ttvgkt3agj2g1j...@4ax.com
I think John would rather have Sara "The Fist" Salzman fist his ass
than to have her spank him.
Message-ID: <v1autvskf8f6odog1...@4ax.com>
You reaped what you have sown you fat sow now wallow in it! Now go
fist yourself you filthy pig!
Message-ID: <tjf720p62g6ltfu0s...@4ax.com>
I will call a fat lying bitch like you anything I please anytime I
want! Now go fist yourself you fat pathetic slob!
Message-ID: <eh4910thfnutrdeor...@4ax.com>
Care to elaborate you perjurious fat pig slob fister?
Message-ID: <siq71012v1sqt6p9h...@4ax.com>
Now go fist yourself and get Sara "The Fist" salzman to teach you how!
Message-ID: <9p0o101eante1kf1c...@4ax.com>
You may not know what a "fleont" is but you know how to fist yourself
don't you pig!?
Message-ID: <3c8iuvsfjnh4o7lkp...@4ax.com>
Perhaps Sara can teach you how to fist yourself!
Message-ID: <9jdg005jl0a524s5o...@4ax.com>
Now go stick your fist up you fat ass you dirty pig!
Message-ID: <8okrrvsbj9ekqe6uf...@4ax.com>
Since when is YOUR fist another consenting adult you stupid pig?
Message-ID: <u837rv0v8jn85p1er...@4ax.com>
Now go fist yourself and if you don't know how then get sara to each
you seeing how she is the expert!
Message-ID: <54ul009o490ibogp6...@4ax.com>
HE LIED but your picture proves you are one big fat momma sow! Is your
obesity why you have to stoop to fisting yourself because a normal
male can't copulate with you- YOUR FATNESS? BTW you still haven't told
us which body orifice it is that you fist and judging by the size of
your hands you must have one big as*hole and/or pu*sy! Do you switch
fist and do both orifices at the same time? Tell us all fister!
Message-ID: <lb83105r7q190vl8k...@4ax.com>
You're the one whining Miss Piggy! Now go fist your gaping crack!
Message-ID: <sbr610d49udsif78h...@4ax.com>
Now go fist yourself or engage in some of that "safe torture" posted
about before you perverted lying filthy whore!
Message-ID: <kmk1101lekdn8tgi6...@4ax.com>
Now go fist yurself!
Message-ID: <dp9310pc8bf74kkj0...@4ax.com>
NOW GO FIST YOURSELF YOU FAT SLOB!!!!
Message-ID: <hd50201eiqr68doif...@4ax.com>
Now go fist that disease infested crotch gash you have you dirty pig!
Message-ID: <hafbqvc7b81r6p44a...@4ax.com>
Now go fist yourself you revolting piece of pork fat!
Message-ID: <hafbqvc7b81r6p44a...@4ax.com>
Now go fist yourself you dirty pig!
Message-ID: <bpp8ivce8v941ae29...@4ax.com>
Go fist yourself "crackpot" and stop "bothering" me!
Message-ID: <sksvgvskfalk8qtm8...@4ax.com>
NOW GO FIST YOURSELF YOU FAT UGLY SLOB LYING PERJURIOUS PIG!!
Message-ID: <lu9kg0d6pd3o94anp...@4ax.com>
Now go fist yourself you nasty wh*re crackpot.
Message-ID: <7srugv8t17tn8ro4r...@4ax.com>
Now go fist yourself you hypocritical swine!
Message-ID: <m3defv0frg5so2tva...@4ax.com>
Where is the proof I do such you fat ugly slob? I can prove, however,
that you "Master Bate" by fisting your self you fat ugly whore!
Message-ID: <1f3600h5olvbmp9hf...@4ax.com>
Why don't you let Whore Salzman teach you how to fist yourself you
goofy little troll!
Message-ID: <7q6700hnjincusodt...@4ax.com>
WHAT A HYPOCRITE YOU ATRE YOU FAT STUPID EVIL PIG!! Now go fist
yourself you revolting piece of filth- you disgust me.
Message-ID: <beu2201u72bu17ggd...@4ax.com>
Now waddle back to your mire and fist yourself you mentally ill sow!
Message-ID: <dacs30pk14oi198uf...@4ax.com>
NOW GO FIST YOURSELF YOU EVIL LYING JEWISH BITCH!
Message-ID: <ve7u105vv54ipn73v...@4ax.com>
SCOTT BRADBURY ON THE GENTLE ART OF DEBATE:
NOW GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU LYING LITLLE SHIT BABY KILLER!!
Message-ID: fhh7b0t3lj6bs848t...@4ax.com
Care to show what I deleted you fat stupid lying piece of pig fat?
Message-ID: <8pasi0leri5cio525...@4ax.com>
Libel is grounds if Leon is telling his bitch pig daughter such vile
stuff and then having it made public!
Message-ID: <0ciktv8tgf9mkah5a...@4ax.com>
Why don't you accept my challenge you pernicious little shit?
Message-ID: <s012uvg6v38c9ont7...@4ax.com>
Why don't you kill yourself BUT take out two more of your fellow shits
before you do!
Message-ID: <uara10h2b539epgj0...@4ax.com>
Now go have sex with her Urinal!
Message-ID: <opeeb0tm5hqat8b46...@4ax.com>
It is your kind who are the laughoing staocks and that is why all of
you are so bitter!
Message-ID: <s8ft10hi1l547f0fo...@4ax.com>
NOW GO FUCK YOURSELF PULP MAN!!
Message-ID: <rpul00tk1ajl83bjl...@4ax.com>
Now who is the lair?
Message-ID: <tso010h6vh9nq6vlf...@4ax.com>
Whois the imbecile now you pea brain!?
Message-ID: <imef10h5ki6tt4gdj...@4ax.com>
I AM STARTING TO CROSS POST MY REPLIES TO OTHER NEWS GROUPS TO GREATLY
ENCOURAGE YOU TO GET YOUR TRAVELING COMPANION AND OTHER ACCOMPLICES TO
STOP!! I HAVE A BIG LIST OF NEO-NAZI GROUPS I HAVE SEARCHED FOR THAT I
WILL BE GLAD TO CROSS POST TO!
Message-ID: <hd50201eiqr68doif...@4ax.com>
I DON'T HAVE TO PROVE SHIT!!
Message-ID: <djn7201t7f8vtcoe9...@4ax.com>
GET THAT INTO YOUR HARD HEAD YOU FUCKING BASTARD!!!
Message-ID: <7877iv8u1t59ffhh0...@4ax.com>
I KEEP TELLING YOU BUT YOU AREN'T PAYING ATTENTION!! AS LONG AS YOUR
PALS KEEP POSTING WHERE I LIVE THEN I WILL KEEP POSTING WHERE THE TWO
SHITS LIVE WHO MADE THE INFO AVAILABLE IN THE FIRST PLACE!! LIVE WITH
IT PIG!!
Message-ID: bdfn30hqo2nvdmooe...@4ax.com
So what? You are only miffed because you are a homo!
Message-ID: <c04o9059bcs57auqf...@4ax.com>
You were Yale's star witness so you should get him to re-file and both
of you come to my county and repeat your libelous perjurious lies you
fat evil slob and see how quick you get some jail time!
Message-ID: <fn4i90t6ki1amgt48...@4ax.com>
Implying I have a mental defect is all you have isn't is wh*re?
Message-ID: <iksmgvgbh22ro8i32...@4ax.com>
You like making with the FAT insults don't you KIKE?
Message-ID: <r70itvgvqp0hfrn0n...@4ax.com>
You must be referring to Yale "The Whale" Edeiken!
Message-ID: <mrsdrvkn3nhc6aql4...@4ax.com>
The whale is Yale as in Yale The Whale!
Message-ID: <vegarvsmooa86m0be...@4ax.com>
Well come to my jurisdiction and make your same accusations and get
your mentor to repeat his and we will see how quick you two become
jailbirds. PUT UP OR SHUT UP YOU LYING WH*RE!!
Message-ID: <k6e4hv00ma0udrsmn...@4ax.com>
GET THIS INTO YOUR HARD HEAD YOU GOD DAMNED EVIL WH*RE-- EACH AND
EVERY TIME ONE OF YOUR FELLOW THUGS POSTS WHERE I LIVE THEN I WILL
POST WHERE YOU AND YALE LIVE!! YOU CAN COUNT ON IT WH*RE!!
Message-ID: td1vgvsiogaet6hch...@4ax.com
Perhaps if I post where your father lives then maybe you will be
persuaded!!!
Message-ID: <b3cefv44ve7luh5et...@4ax.com>
Subject yourself to my jurisdiction and you will be given a dose of
reality! MAKE MY DAY!! PUT UP OR SHUT UP!
Message-ID: <f5r5hv092109l8gv1...@4ax.com>
You provide a starting point for more hatrassmenmt-- that's the big
deal you bastard!
Message-ID: <pg3hgv4gln3s948ct...@4ax.com>
Re-read what you said above and see who is the fucking idiot!
Message-ID: <f9upgvgg9k4kdo031...@4ax.com>
Go smoke some crack with yo gangstas.
Message-ID: <ptltgv48v6a267etp...@4ax.com>
Why don't you come to my jurisdiction and file a complaint
Message-ID: <r8o9hv0p0gtd8qlfk...@4ax.com>
Don't hold your breath wh*re. If you want to press charges or litigate
come to my town and mind you by subjecting yourself to the legal
system of my jurisdiction I will be able to resolve some old matters
myself.
Message-ID: <gj1bhv8m41a09nj79...@4ax.com>
Just like a sicko to deny their words were meant to intimidate!
Message-ID: <io49iv43v2k4fgbp0...@4ax.com>
He won't be laughing when he sees the documents I have to present! You
are going to get a royal deep sixing pig!
Message-ID: <4bgbivci6b1h7nrc0...@4ax.com>
That is your address dickhead and I promise you this- each and very
god damned time you post where I live I will do likewise and I will
also post where Yale and Sara live too because they are the ones who
made my confidential info public in the first place! If you don't like
it then report me to my DA you hypocritical mother fucker!
Message-ID: <7nkdivsuqb91tcvjn...@4ax.com>
My DA is NOT interested in your accusations! He tries criminal cases
in my jurisdiction. He won't accept your affidavit as being true
without proof of the accusations. If you submitted the above to him
then you are hanging yourself you evil lying pig!
Message-ID: <ncgiivg9a3mekr98t...@4ax.com>
If you had read what I lp;osted you would have known you stupid
Pharisee!
Message-ID: <3ejskvkagkhk5edam...@4ax.com>
WHY DO YOU KEEP LEAVING THIS OUT YOU RETARD?
Message-ID: <9lirkv027hv40gjd6...@4ax.com>
You're too stupid to see how your glaring hypocrisy has been exposed!
Message-ID: <20komvglbofvsto4f...@4ax.com>
Nope I am not a hypocrite for posting Sara "The Fist" Salzman's
Literary Works seeing how those only make up a very small percentage
of my postings BUT so far you hitting a perfect 100%!
Message-ID: <db08nvgq6p68iv5m5...@4ax.com>
What do you SCOOP? POOP?
Message-ID: cd4mnv4c7j36ncg53...@4ax.com
I proved nothing other than how you lie, smear, libel, and perjure
yourself you disgusting pig!
Message-ID: <5ro6409oob68bcf3d...@4ax.com>
You are a vile repulsive pig who is a liar, a perjurer, and a
hypocrite! YOU WON"T DEAL WITH THE FACT THAT YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS
MENTALLY ILL!!
Message-ID: <74q550l2prd9158m9...@4ax.com>
SCOTT BRADBURY ON HIS NAME:
Once again--My name is not Fatboy you stupid kike!
Message-ID: <o6sae0datvqfh300c...@4ax.com>
My name is not Bradfat you stupid kike!
Message-ID: <e3cpb0h9is29336h0...@4ax.com>
My name is not Fatboy you dirty kike swine
Message-ID: <b3r550pe2hmg4g9o9...@4ax.com>
But you keep forgetting you stupid Kike Khazir-- my name is not
Fatboy!
Message-ID: <5gra405ogagbb2h4i...@4ax.com>
My name is not Fatboy you Khazir Kike.
Message-ID: <bqo640d48ks6hnt5o...@4ax.com>
My name is not Fatboy you stupid Kike Swine!
Message-ID: <ulq640hrboqvhbqko...@4ax.com>
You like calling me Fatboy don't you- you dumnb kike!? Why dopn't you
accept my challenge you kike bastard?
Message-ID: <9sndvvg92c6dpk50a...@4ax.com>
My name is not Scottokins you penis sucker!
Message-ID: t77240taigsnq8tam...@4ax.com
My name is not Scottikins you faggot!
Message-ID: <69n040pcmf4mqt1nb...@4ax.com>
My name is not Fatboy you damned by God anti-Christ Child of the
Devil!
Message-ID: gpor301ttl2i7l7gj...@4ax.com
BTW my name is not Fatboy you stupid kike.
Message-ID: <4u1knv86al0k1lgr6...@4ax.com>
BTW my name is not Fatboy you stupid Pharisee!
Message-ID: <o534nvc7844bc7936...@4ax.com>
My name is not Fatboy you stupid bastard and you are a poor person to
be doing damage control for your fellow liar and con man!
Message-ID: bstgnvk9947o41md2...@4ax.com
My name is not "Fatboy' you stupid big mouth Jew bastard!
Message-ID: <q44ggvk3j16vhsvt1...@4ax.com>
My name is not Fatboy
Message-ID: <ad5ggvc0kntifamk3...@4ax.com>
My name is not Bradshit you god damned cock sucker!
Message-ID: <86g010h8tp85uv844...@4ax.com>
My name is not Fatboy you stupid obnoxious kike bastard!
Message-ID: b3ek30df9sge47nat...@4ax.com
My name isn't Fatboy you stupid kike! Now I know why people liked to
view the people hole when shit like you got deloused! Anytime for the
lawsuit to be re-fioled you stupid kike bastard!
Message-ID: <4cu9109fjq6fec3r0...@4ax.com>
My name is not fatboy you Child of the Devil!
Message-ID: <ka3i101qi15fct32t...@4ax.com>
My name is not fatboy you krema klinker!
Message-ID: <642j10lpq8akepmkg...@4ax.com>
You keep calling me "Fatboy" you stupid kike vermin.
Message-ID: <grreuvc487rg2rg6f...@4ax.com>
My name isn't blubberbury you filth!
Message-ID: <tlne10dvm7ncsdjc5...@4ax.com>
BTW my name is not Blubberbury you pig fucker!
Message-ID: <csmn109c84gsumkhr...@4ax.com>
You like calling me "Fatboy" and now "fatblob" so why don't you take
the challenge you worthless kike shit?
Message-ID: <sjep00hb9c6rnals9...@4ax.com>
You lied when you called me "Fatboy" you son of a bitch! My name is
NOT "Fatboy" you pig fucker!
Message-ID: <408iuvkn6fdcd339t...@4ax.com>
You keep calling me Fatboy you stupid kike. Read the "$10,000.00
Challenge" and either put up or shut up you stupid big mouthed lying
kike!
Message-ID: <a63qrvg6veuog7qep...@4ax.com>
My name is not Bradshit you hooked nosed kike
Message-ID: <fnim00hl94ho2pjvc...@4ax.com>
My name is not Bradshit you god damned cock sucker!
Message-ID: <rpul00tk1ajl83bjl...@4ax.com>
SCOTT BRADBURY'S OBSESSION WITH PENISES:
REPORT ME THEN YOU STUPID PENIS SUCKER!!
Message-ID: s1uc505urd4n6ehu4...@4ax.com
Not only are you a gay boy penis muncher but you are a communist too
which makes you a Commie Pinko Fag!
Message-ID: <c04o9059bcs57auqf...@4ax.com>
Now go do what you do best you little sniveling penis licker. BTW go
wipe that mayonnaise er cum or whatever you have smeared around your
mouth.
Message-ID: <c04o9059bcs57auqf...@4ax.com>
BTW when Susan Cohen made the change from Gary Rumain did "he" have
his penis removed or is "he" just in drag? We all want to know!
Message-ID: <l3f1009m80jo8cp4d...@4ax.com>
I am not a lard ass you peter eater BUT your wife certainly is!
Message-ID: <8039109vlmea87lru...@4ax.com>
If you keep passing your narrow leftist cum guzzling judgment on me
then I will keep letting everyone know what a dick licking communist
you are swishy boy!
Message-ID: <kfap90p9trfop68uo...@4ax.com>
Heed your own advice you cock succker!
Message-ID: <6k5b10tf0nns8lcag...@4ax.com>
Now go suck yourself!
Message-ID: <08t3i015q434njdsc...@4ax.com>
BTW I am a male therefore I am not a queen but to a dick lick like
you- you want me to be your bitch- sorry I am not gay and I don't play
that way!
Message-ID: <tt1910pccf6n0vbjf...@4ax.com>
Don't you start think of me as a sex toy Gord!
Message-ID: <ufo1hv0e5vgruvtaf...@4ax.com>
Isn't "rimshot" a homosexual term for what fags like you like doing to
people and in your case to little boys?
Message-ID: <4vg4109s319fg8fr7...@4ax.com>
Why won't you accept my challenge you dick nibbler?
Message-ID: <1dbn00tsbopc7ch3q...@4ax.com>
Mishima=Jeffrey G. Brown=Pervert who likes little boys' "pee pees"
Message-ID: <0amo00dem7mrhf2ju...@4ax.com>
Which you would like to suck on BUT I am not of your persuasion you
swishy boy and I won't let you!
Message-ID: <l7is00hm1ma8mlsua...@4ax.com>
Remember how that peter eater liked calling other people gutless?
Message-ID: <9f8010d7i29o7v240...@4ax.com>
He has obsessed about my priapism too! I think he wants to meet Mr.
Winky!
Message-ID: <620u10lndt9bbeiff...@4ax.com>
How many more times do you have to be told you slanderous lying father
sucker!?
Message-ID: <15jdgv8c3s4u37uei...@4ax.com>
BTW You're the fag who attends gay pride parades and you are on record
as doing so you cock sucker!
Message-ID: <5n6ofv8ndrplo5umj...@4ax.com>
Evidently you will be there seeing how you're extending an invitation
apparently but we all know how the Nizkor Bunch is a bunch of penis
munchers.
Message-ID: <85g5gv8te4r48r48d...@4ax.com>
Let's see-- the short form for Richard is Dick and a cranium is
generally a head so you are a Dick Head and your manner of reply
reinforces it too!
Message-ID: <99oagvoqoao78teog...@4ax.com>
I bet he may want to suckle my penis now that you bring it up!
Message-ID: <rrlggvcu5cot3dt7u...@4ax.com>
I could not imagine a husky mannish woman such as his wife strapping
on a penis but then again-- that may be her bag.
Message-ID: <rrlggvcu5cot3dt7u...@4ax.com>
And you and Donn must want to nibble on it too seeing how you're so
interested. Sorry-- but I am not into homo sex.
Message-ID: <169jivs0m58qshat5...@4ax.com>
I will send you a five gallon size bucket of Vaseline to make it
easier on you when some big brute wants to make you his bitch!
Message-ID: <flemiv42547jd8bcr...@4ax.com>
Wouldn't that make you a homosexual on top of being a kike hog? After
all you want a male to perform a sex act on you thus making it
homosexual! You really should consider becoming a Mohel. They can suck
a lot a of cock which should please you immensely!
Message-ID: <ctjomvca44gi36n61...@4ax.com>
Patrick Keenan once gain shows his fixation on my penis!
Message-ID: <c11smvomeluc7075f...@4ax.com>
Why do you always have MY penis on your mind? Is this a hint you are
infatuated with my pecker?
Message-ID: <4u0smvklhsl9qs95c...@4ax.com>
Back to wanting to suck on pee pees again heh?
Message-ID: <1evgnvk0mamrg5bvs...@4ax.com>
SCOTT BRADBURY'S RESPECT FOR WOMEN:
You are NO lady NOR a woman in the general sense- you are a filthy pig
who deserves no respect!
Message-ID: <5cd450dfij875vorq...@4ax.com>
I am not a lard ass you peter eater BUT your wife certainly is!
Message-ID: 8039109vlmea87lru...@4ax.com
Now wallow back to your mire you repulsive swine.
Message-ID: <8o2od0log0tng8f41...@4ax.com>
You are a filthy lying pig and you are no lady!
Message-ID: <6cmcb0do9vlhigqto...@4ax.com>
YET SARA SALZMAN CLAIMS I AM MENTALLY ILL. WHAT A DIRTY LYING FILTHY
PIG SHE IS!!
Message-ID: <5cd450dfij875vorq...@4ax.com>
YOU ARE AN EVIL PIG!!
Message-ID: <ompod017m15voaf03...@4ax.com>
You are not a woman in the sense of being a lady! You are a vile
repulsive pig who is a liar, a perjurer, and a hypocrite! YOU WON"T
DEAL WITH THE FACT THAT YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS MENTALLY ILL!!
Message-ID: <74q550l2prd9158m9...@4ax.com>
You are a pathological liar and a perjurious pig!
Message-ID: d48cb0p4isqn098r4...@4ax.com
Care to deny it you evil hypocritical pig!?
Message-ID: <i7a2509ft5rq7f73a...@4ax.com>
WHAT A DIRTY LYING FILTHY PIG SHE IS!!
Message-ID: <i7a2509ft5rq7f73a...@4ax.com>
I will speak to a lying perjurious whore bitch such as you in any
manner I so choose!
Message-ID: <hetotv0c4emnset30...@4ax.com>
you lying filthy swine
Message-ID: <mm9j90dkl96h4kkeq...@4ax.com>
How many times have I made personal attack posts directed at you
personally?
Message-ID: <a4clivosh3le86toh...@4ax.com>
I don't respect lying pig filth regardless if it is human and female.
You lied and bore false witness against mein a failed civil lawsuit
against me and you keep telling many defamatory lies about me.I would
be grateful if you were torn to shreds by a pack of roving pit bull
dogs.
Message-ID: <ompod017m15voaf03...@4ax.com>
YOU ARE A FILTHY PIG WHO KNOWS NO SHAME!!
Message-ID: <74q550l2prd9158m9...@4ax.com>
Looks like you're caught lying again you filthy piece of pig fat!
Message-ID: <o1emiv8gpfdl0gdq0...@4ax.com>
Keep running your mouth you disgusting pig and see what the future
hold for you.
Message-ID: <8vobmvg7f6p202jlk...@4ax.com>
BTW bitch you did what I wanted you to do and which I was advised to
try to get you to do! You made yourself a subject of my jurisdiction
by availing yourself to the court and law enforcement! I can now sue
you and make Yale your co-defendant and finally have justice served
for his numerous perjurious acts, manufacturing of evidence and making
death threats using subpoenaed information.
Message-ID: <1qhfmvce49294ar90...@4ax.com>
NOW PUT UP OR SHUT UP YOU FILTHY LYING PIG!
Message-ID: <2dqlivk0ov3asek6c...@4ax.com>
Now go fuck your pig and shut the fuck up!
Message-ID: ft7akv0ug95ntoptf...@4ax.com
Anyone can pick up on your name asswipe!
Message-ID: <f65ckv09v04t7l1ia...@4ax.com>
One person at the courthouse mistook Sara';s son for a monkey and
offered the lil' booger a banana and Sara The Fist went ballistic!
Message-ID: <2jvt10dgr7psli8bh...@4ax.com>
I have proved her to be both a liar and a pig! What's it to you
limpwrist?
Message-ID: <ss5ttvcdp6n8fb5vp...@4ax.com>
One person at the courthouse mistook Sara's son for a monkey and said:
"Here is a banana for your monkey" and Sara went ballistic!
Message-ID: <g929105e46mnc7eup...@4ax.com>
DROP DEAD PIG!!
Message-ID: <9v71mvsbt1k9bnn10...@4ax.com>
Speaking of fatness how is that big butted wife of yours doing?
Message-ID: <r70itvgvqp0hfrn0n...@4ax.com>
Now go waddle back to your mire you fat sow and wallow in it!
Message-ID: <q9hmtvc7fmhdn86n0...@4ax.com>
SEE HOW DISHONEST YOU ARE YOU FAT DISGUSTING PIG!?
Message-ID: <i5dl30ljtosdr8sfq...@4ax.com>
Now return to your mire and wallow in it!
Message-ID: <n7jl301m9tfu4fcr0...@4ax.com>
It had NOTHING to do with you and your sow wife!
Message-ID: <1a9a10diuk6sba7jc...@4ax.com>
It will be fixed soon enough you fat pig bitch!
Message-ID: <893910p4k7g722kau...@4ax.com>
Dale the whale is even bigger now than what she was in that old
picture and just look and the rolls of blubber on those legs!
Message-ID: <g929105e46mnc7eup...@4ax.com>
YOU FAT STUPID PIG!!
Message-ID: <01qa009tp31v87pso...@4ax.com>
NOW PUT UP OR SHUT UP YOU FAT DISGUSTING PIECE OF HOG FAT!!
Message-ID: <aspurv4qluq7aetir...@4ax.com>
Stay stupid you fat stupid pig!
Message-ID: <9tr0sv0aa19onrdde...@4ax.com>
TTFN you ugly fat sow!
Message-ID: <ctnl0014vmiu2td2a...@4ax.com>
Didn't you mean Her Fatness as in your lard assed wife?
Message-ID: <98mo00l4puj48lf49...@4ax.com>
Speaking of fat- how is that fat pig wife of yours doing Patjerk?
Message-ID: <t98310tntrhohvdbh...@4ax.com>
WHY DO YOU KEEP LYING YOU FAT WSTUPID PIG!
Message-ID: <ve7u105vv54ipn73v...@4ax.com>
Smear is all you have isn't it pig?
Message-ID: <v4k6iv8fs5d4a18ea...@4ax.com>
Now go fuck your fat pig and stop stalking me!
Message-ID: <vnv8ivsd65rsu56ll...@4ax.com>
Now go screw your pig.
Message-ID: <9edu10t8p5er4ncsa...@4ax.com>
You're squealing like a pig again!
Message-ID: <rsontvst9iabjuiah...@4ax.com>
Care to answer that you pig fucker?
Message-ID: <ebe5uvgak86g9t95v...@4ax.com>
YOU ARE A LIAR! Those posts are in their original form you stupid pig!
Message-ID: <20j2uvcls7kr1k096...@4ax.com>
Speaking of "Fatress"-- look at you- you fat pig!
Message-ID: <cqdhhv8pvg0u1qesg...@4ax.com>
DROP DEAD YOU DIRTY PIG!!
Message-ID: <qa1p10poevto2d799...@4ax.com>
Now go drop dead!
Message-ID: <d2vj00htvubc4b3eg...@4ax.com>
I did NOT post the message and you are making a false accusation and
besides I don't care what Sara Salzman and her son do for kicks you
stupid Jewish bitch!
Message-ID: <tj5010h9epocmu0sk...@4ax.com>
Her quotes are one sided and out of context and I have no doubt that
you will be as dishonest as she is which is nothing new!
Message-ID: <tii720h1fcegsc83i...@4ax.com>
Need I say more about the dirty filthy whore?
Message-ID: <ir5hqv8gnioes4kvc...@4ax.com>
My documented proofs will deep six your lies you disgusting pig!
Message-ID: <pj09ivk618eojakgj...@4ax.com>
Turn about is fair play when dealing with filth who doesn't play fair
to begin with!
Message-ID: <7877iv8u1t59ffhh0...@4ax.com>
DROP DEAD YOU GOD DAMNED NEUROTIC WH*RE!
Message-ID: <j93vgv4g6lkcej3sh...@4ax.com>
No wonder why both of your kids are retarded-- look at the swine who
grunted them out in the world!
Message-ID: <j93vgv4g6lkcej3sh...@4ax.com>
You have no moral nor legal superiority over me you filthy nasty
wh*re!
Message-ID: <bccefv881sif91n0h...@4ax.com>
BTW speaking of fat-- what about that fat pig you are married to?
Message-ID: <7jlhfvobop9o3pui2...@4ax.com>
YOU HAVE MENTAL PROBLEMDS!!
Message-ID: <1asofv0m71f36iu80...@4ax.com>
Come and make my day you wh*re
Message-ID: <f5r5hv092109l8gv1...@4ax.com>
NOW PUT UP OR SHUT UP YOU DISGUSTING LYING SLANDEROUS FILTHY PIG!
Message-ID: <7lghivsun05ohg5u0...@4ax.com>
You lying disgusting stupid pig!
Message-ID: <rmfhivk04r05mo7k9...@4ax.com>
I bet Sara's vagina is crawling with maggots too!
Message-ID: <4t8smv0f4gmssh6rp...@4ax.com>
You are the stupid one you pig fucker.
Message-ID: <n7s4nvo0br4fl5a6i...@4ax.com>
Now go fuck your pig and shut up.
Message-ID: <n7s4nvo0br4fl5a6i...@4ax.com>
How is thsat pig? You are the one who foloows me around and you are a
dirty lig pig too!
Message-ID: <ohq8nvcm6m67i4cl8...@4ax.com>
GET THAT INTO YOUR HARD HEAD YOU DIRTY SWINE!! SOONER OR LATER SOWS
SUCH AS YOU AND YOUR FELLOW PIGS WILL LEARN!! Now waddle back to your
mire.
Message-ID: <6bp8nvonvg2heuoi8...@4ax.com>
I want as many people to see you for the lying dirty filth you truly
are!
Message-ID: <4aqknvocjt8plmofm...@4ax.com>
Looks like she was into Torture such as you are Sara "The Fist"
Salzman!
Message-ID: <p58tvv08blafrl8r4...@4ax.com>
You are a liar and you posted those posts you fat stupid lying pig!
Message-ID: <drhfvvg13fvisgsd6...@4ax.com>
How is this a forgery you dishonest pieve of pig shit?
Message-ID: <r81evv063v4q73n1h...@4ax.com>
How is this a forgery you dishonest picve of pig shit?
Message-ID: khhfvvcp657n77pch...@4ax.com
His wife is the "pig" I referred to and he confirmed the pig I was
referring to as nbeing his wife!
Message-ID: <ik4ivv810a314pa1f...@4ax.com>
Speaking of FATT- how is your obese wife?
Message-ID: <7o1nvvsqojomotmib...@4ax.com>
How is that you stupid lying fat pig?
Message-ID: qjd9vv0r5ngiurmbc...@4ax.com
I don't want to see you fucking your pig in public!
Message-ID: <tcmdvvcplmracjqoo...@4ax.com>
You made the posts you fat stupid pig!
Message-ID: <3r1nvvkuj4qv8uodh...@4ax.com>
Can't stand the truth can you- you fat disgusting pig! You are the
liar you perjurious criminal pig!
Message-ID: <tddovvoiml67uf8q5...@4ax.com>
SO STOP SQUEALING LIKE A PIG WHEN YOU GET BACK WHAT YOU SO DESERVE!!
Message-ID: <icv440tof04t28h8d...@4ax.com>
Stick it where the sun doesn't shine you fat ugly stupid pig!
Message-ID: <9m5540tgou6br5q17...@4ax.com>
SCOTT BRADBURY ON THE HOLOCAUST:
Show where I exhibited Jew Hatred!
Message-ID: nsqqgvkquvdkrjq2d...@4ax.com
Drop dead you filthy kike swine.
Message-ID: <du0sc09mmtt7kqh8l...@4ax.com>
Grow up you ignorant kike vermin. Too bad you can't be brought in for
some interrogation.
Message-ID: <jl1m50hohb9rbrdg6...@4ax.com>
Funny how all of you who worship at the Altar of the Holocaust seem to
be Anti-Christs
Message-ID: <r6r550ltdktric27p...@4ax.com>
Now go stick your head in a gas oven and gas yourself!
Message-ID: <0al8001p06bvvuqbk...@4ax.com>
Now go gas yourself!
Message-ID: aomn10t2cgtkosq64...@4ax.com
Now go gas yourself you vermin!
Message-ID: <1stob0dbgar1034b0...@4ax.com>
No wonder why the kapos had to slap you stupid shits upside the heads
all the time. You vermin never learn!!
Message-ID: <4cu9109fjq6fec3r0...@4ax.com>
For the sake of speculation- say that this piece of hog fat was alive
when the nazis were allegedly making soap and candles from Jews-- what
do you think the nazis would get from this sow and her fat globules?
Message-ID: <cof010dh6fils7ouq...@4ax.com>
Drop dead Child of Lucifer. Now I know why people fought to get a turn
for their peek through the peep hole to see shit like you get deloused
and why so many Ukrainians, Poles etc. volunteered to be kapos (they
liked slapping obnoxious turds like you upside their hard heads with
their clubs!).
Message-ID: <gkg410hbluggs7l5o...@4ax.com>
You shits still are at a loss why a certain paper hanger found so many
willing executioners but it's no secret to me why Poles, Balts,
Rumanians, Latvians, Ukrainians etc. all wanted revenge against such
shit like you!
Message-ID: <lpvofvo9ofpfqcdcu...@4ax.com>
Could you imagine using any soap made from this swine (Sara Salzman)?
Message-ID: <bi4hgv4cgnvu5g4d2...@4ax.com>
If it is true Nazis made soap from Jews I am sure if you were a
"detainee" of theirs in the 40s they could have made a boxcar load of
soap and candles from all of your fat. I just can't imagine anyone,
even Nazis, wanting to wash their hands or clothes with any kind of
soap made from JewLard.
Message-ID: <5rbmivoffd1oeho83...@4ax.com>
I am not a Nazi.
Message-ID: <0ftjkvo0dmg144ik1...@4ax.com>
Keep hanging yourself you dumb Jew. I post what you Rabbis teach and
in their own verifiable words and now you are trying toproject your
mental illness on tome!
Message-ID: <jaq640h8nvceuqvji...@4ax.com>
How is that for an answer you anti-Christ Child of the Devil bastard?
Message-ID: <0f0n90d478k2dr923...@4ax.com>
NOW DROP DEAD YOU LYING YID!
Message-ID: <o0kq109ecnjlb5ibq...@4ax.com>
I have news you kike vermin- I am NOT a defendant!!
Message-ID: <1o94tvgnsprea3kk5...@4ax.com>
I will call you shits kikes as long as you act like obnoxious
self-righteous Pharisees!
Message-ID: mktctvs84a80d8j69...@4ax.com
Being a liar and an anti-Christ plus adhering to bigoted teachings and
traditions answers all of your stupid questions abovve you dirty pig!
Message-ID: f9pn109ncp8k6optj...@4ax.com
BTW you Children of the Devil- I am NOT a neo-nazi nor do I attend any
of their meetings
Message-ID: 1c0540h6tt5gd530n...@4ax.com
Your evasions are duly noted you fat stupid pig and remember what is
said about the Children of the Devil being the children of the Father
of Lies and how you bore false witness against me which broke the 9th
Commandment of 10 regarding bearing false witness against another
person which you did and still do to this day!
Message-ID: <74q550l2prd9158m9...@4ax.com>
Now go cry to B'nai Brith and falsely claim I have engaged in yet more
anti-Semitism for exposing you as the fat slob your truly are!!
Message-ID: <74q550l2prd9158m9...@4ax.com>
Can't refute it can you kike?
Message-ID: <rk1310tm2ib3q1ad5...@4ax.com>
TELL KIKE EDEIKEN TO RE-FILE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS TO HIM!! There have
been new elections in Pennsylvania and I am filing all new complaints
with people who are listening. You won't be so cocky when Yale gets
disbarred and all on account of little ol' me!
Message-ID: <k39l00dua228p7t66...@4ax.com>
Didn't you know that foreskins were chewing gum for Jews in those
days!?
Message-ID: i326vvsfv72akebtd...@4ax.com
PUT UP OR SHUT UP YOU DUMB KIKE!!
Message-ID: <25n400d1u003peq5o...@4ax.com>
Now go drop dead kike!
Message-ID: <912ptvgh8nlkjn37u...@4ax.com>
TELL THE FILTHY DIRTY SNEAKY KIKE TO REFILE!
Message-ID: <3jqotvspvocgurvu8...@4ax.com>
TEL THE KIKE "WE" ARE WAITING FOR HIM!!
Message-ID: <ca09001i0kc2qo0f5...@4ax.com>
Why don't you accept my challenge you filthy hook nosed kike bastard?
Message-ID: sjep00hb9c6rnals9...@4ax.com
WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE ME YOU ANTI-CHRIST?
Message-ID: <feqq10d7jj1tsp1i6...@4ax.com>
PUT UP OR SHUT UP YOU STUPID KIKE SHIT!!
Message-ID: <aa8huv0vuj7t8450m...@4ax.com>
Why don't you put your money where your big fat mouth is you Jew scum
bastard?
Message-ID: grreuvc487rg2rg6f...@4ax.com
Why don't you accept my challenge you stupid kike bastard?
Message-ID: <h0seuvgle8sksgroh...@4ax.com>
TAKE THE CHALLENGE YOU FILTHY KIKE BIG MOUTH!
Message-ID: <94ra00lun54poaq5v...@4ax.com>
Why don't you ever accept my challenge you stupid big mouth kike son
of a bitch?
Message-ID: <d2vj00htvubc4b3eg...@4ax.com>
Now go drop dead you whore of the Jews!
Message-ID: <vegarvsmooa86m0be...@4ax.com>
Put up or shut up you loud mouth obnoxious Jew!
Message-ID: <1h0frvoch94hf3qtt...@4ax.com>
Read the "$10,000.00 Challenge" and either put up or shut up you
stupid big mouthed lying kike!
Message-ID: <a63qrvg6veuog7qep...@4ax.com>
You're the hypocrite you Jewish swine bastard.
Message-ID: <a63qrvg6veuog7qep...@4ax.com>
Why don't you accept my challenge you hook nosed crema knlinker?
Message-ID: <aqhm00152cnmr486f...@4ax.com>
He's not a 'groid- he's a hook nosed kike!
Message-ID: <34mo00t8g6hk6qem7...@4ax.com>
Drop dead you Child of the Devil!
Message-ID: <ckg410hebdckt7i6l...@4ax.com>
It's about time I reposted that Hook Nose picture!
Message-ID: <6stknvgvcsc8vdf45...@4ax.com>
Now got drop dead you dumb kike.
Message-ID: <u9g5rvsvbc859rtio...@4ax.com>
Eat shit, choke on it, and die you SoB (Son of Belial)!
Message-ID: <ih97109qisa3qecgg...@4ax.com>
For you to continually tell lies only proves Kikes are lying swine
shits!
Message-ID: <pd9sgvckbep6agrdh...@4ax.com>
Show where I exhibited Jew Hatred!
Message-ID: <nsqqgvkquvdkrjq2d...@4ax.com>
How nay more times are you going to spoam the same lies and
defamagtion you fucking evil kike bastard?
Message-ID: <b2qofvs8m9bu08p9r...@4ax.com>
Need I say more other than Kikes are the word's foremost hypocrites
and liars!
Message-ID: <l8hggv4d2d6f66a2t...@4ax.com>
You filth are desperate aren't you in your agenda to smear and malign
people. What else can one expect from a disciple of the Children of
the Devil?
Message-ID: <7e7hgv87ackmo57ve...@4ax.com>
Live with the truth you lying sack of shit slanderous Jewbastard.
Message-ID: <ad5ggvc0kntifamk3...@4ax.com>
All shit like you have is lies and smears. Shit like you can't refute
what I post so shit like you resort to cheap personal attacks and you
wonder why kike filth is hated so much!
Message-ID: <oa9plv4q1bp4j2elp...@4ax.com>
Get a clue you stupid kike bastard!
Message-ID: <ddjomvk4e9bs1f6e9...@4ax.com>
Only anti-Christs, babykillers, homose, Pharisees, commiesand other
such filth don't like me.
Message-ID: <jb08nv4bm1gg6bc5p...@4ax.com>
I bet you are a Yid and your name is Sid!
Message-ID: <31hfvvsvgma585nss...@4ax.com>
Can't refute it can you kike?
Message-ID: <rk1310tm2ib3q1ad5...@4ax.com>
STOP BEING FILTHY JEW KIKE VERMIN LIAR!!
Message-ID: <b3r550pe2hmg4g9o9...@4ax.com>
FOR A FACT-- YOU ARE A LIAR AND YOU ARE AN ANTI-CHRIST.
Message-ID: <jsghj0tiakrltl26n...@4ax.com>
Sara Salzman
"david_michael" <david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
Why thank you, Mr. Michael. I had no idea you are on "our side," but
obviously anyone who encourages Mr. Bradbury to continue proving what a
moronic piece of dirt he is MUST be. Bradbury's been posting this crap
to the misc.legal groups, and they're laughing almost as loud as we are.
david_michael
You seem unusually . . . er . . . well, venomous today Mr McFee. Have
you been consuming too much alcohol again?
> The fact is, you lying cretin,
Infantile name calling now. Really impressive argument there.
> that you do know Bradbury,
Never met the man in my life. I only know him from alt.revisionism. I
think I've probably exchanged more emails with you than I have with
him.
> have
> conspired with him to publish personal information on anyone who has
> defeated you in debate (which includes a vast number of people),
That allegation is both false and defamatory. I challenge you to
substantiate it or retract it. If you cannot do so then readers can
draw their own conclusions about your integrity.
> and
> are engaging in spin doctoring to cover your innate cowardice.
No idea what that means. Whatever you've been drinking must have been a
bit strong.
DEM
david_michael
I'm not. If I were I'd be urging him to waste his money trying to take
Edeiken to the cleaners in the courts.
>but
> obviously anyone who encourages Mr. Bradbury to continue proving what a
> moronic piece of dirt he is MUST be. Bradbury's been posting this crap
> to the misc.legal groups, and they're laughing almost as loud as we are.
>
> Sara
I am sure the legal folks have been trained to skim through large
amounts of material and extract the relevant points from the
irrelevant. The relevant point is that we have in Mr Edeiken an
anti-revisionist lawyer who breaks the law -- and documentation exists
to substantiate that allegation, which, as far as I am aware, he has
never denied.
DEM
Sara Salzman
"david_michael" <david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
And I repeat. With their ability to "skim through large amounts of
material and extract the relevant points from the irrelevant," they've
found absolutely nothing of relevance, and are laughing at Mr.
Bradbury's incessant whining.
david_michael
How would you know?
Are you making up stories again?
DEM
david_michael
How would you know?
Jason James
What a lot of BS, plus, the history believers by and large use their own
names. I use a screen name, at first I did not, but soon saw why Windows
all but instructs to use one during OE set-up. There are people onthe denial
side who include your family members as part of obscene jokes, have been
"checking" to find out ones personal details. These outweigh any such
similar activity to my knowledge on the believers side by a very long
way,..in fact I know of not one instance of identity-searching by
history-believers.
Jason
david_michael
OK, I've got to ask this.
What, in the name of all that is small and fluffy, is a 'history
believer'?
DEM
Gord McFee
<1159500927.6...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"david_michael" <david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
I expect I drink less in a month than you do in a day.
> > The fact is, you lying cretin,
>
> Infantile name calling now. Really impressive argument there.
>
> > that you do know Bradbury,
>
> Never met the man in my life. I only know him from alt.revisionism. I
> think I've probably exchanged more emails with you than I have with
> him.
>
> > have
> > conspired with him to publish personal information on anyone who has
> > defeated you in debate (which includes a vast number of people),
>
> That allegation is both false and defamatory. I challenge you to
> substantiate it or retract it.
I have already explained to you dozens of times how you can get me to
substantiate it. You fled then; you will flee now.
> If you cannot do so then readers can
> draw their own conclusions about your integrity.
No, they will draw the appropriate conclusions about your cowardice.
> > and
> > are engaging in spin doctoring to cover your innate cowardice.
>
> No idea what that means. Whatever you've been drinking must have been a
> bit strong.
If you couldn't understand that straightforward sentence, I suggest it
is you who is consuming too much alcohol.
david_michael
Ah. Withdrawal sympoms.
> > > The fact is, you lying cretin,
> >
> > Infantile name calling now. Really impressive argument there.
> >
> > > that you do know Bradbury,
> >
> > Never met the man in my life. I only know him from alt.revisionism. I
> > think I've probably exchanged more emails with you than I have with
> > him.
> >
> > > have
> > > conspired with him to publish personal information on anyone who has
> > > defeated you in debate (which includes a vast number of people),
> >
> > That allegation is both false and defamatory. I challenge you to
> > substantiate it or retract it.
>
> I have already explained to you dozens of times how you can get me to
> substantiate it. You fled then; you will flee now.
No I'll just repeat my challenge to you to substantiate it or retract
it and then I'll sit back and enjoy all the bluster and hot air that
emerges from you as you try to find a reason not to do so.
> > If you cannot do so then readers can
> > draw their own conclusions about your integrity.
>
> No, they will draw the appropriate conclusions about your cowardice.
>From the fact that you repeatedly make an unsubstantiated allegation
and run like hell whenever challenged to support it?
> > > and
> > > are engaging in spin doctoring to cover your innate cowardice.
> >
> > No idea what that means. Whatever you've been drinking must have been a
> > bit strong.
>
> If you couldn't understand that straightforward sentence, I suggest it
> is you who is consuming too much alcohol.
So you're not going to elaborate on the sentence?
> --
> Gord McFee
> I'll write no line before its time
>
> Visit the Holocaust History Project
> http://www.holocaust-history.org
Don't. I'm reliably informed that it's rubbish.
DEM