Kinpa site has no followers? Yes? No?

[Etznab]

"You have NO great evidence that changes anyone's minds about Eckankar, that is why so many come to my site and go on to join the organization!"

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/xm3wz17YAxI/RFS8Y804rugJ

"You look at my site on a daily basis, have you NEVER bothered to look at the member count?"

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/5Tm6gP15vas/Twg0leSyCPQJ

"Have you bothered to go to my site and check the number of members yet? Still at 1407, proving my statement of 1400 completely true and accurate ... ."

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/LORhlwIM23A/wR5AvE_3WVwJ

"Show proof! Everyone else is already all too well aware that you have none, and also that you have no case...in fact, you can't even gain membership at my site, you have tried and failed a number of times....get over it however LOL"

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/I_mpnNiQRn0/HR7HbI5swE8J

"It wasn't any member of my site, so what difference does it make if I do or not?"

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/QozRuC2pako/clkW5aMtEnMJ

"I disagree Richard, and as I have stated in the past, I don't CARE what you THINK! You are not that important, and you have absolutely NO credibility as it is! The people from my site see this bid for attention, and obviously no one has chosen to give you what you demand."

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/3Lava49Rn04/PpaoJ5es2rAJ

"... but that will never excuse him from thieving and plagiarizing an original piece of writing from my site..."

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/6i8G_MyOEUs/DNxOXG67mlEJ

"By the way, edited "screenshots" can never be evidence, by which I mean those of my site that you have created and shown ... ."

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/mKPJPAMq0rs/UCJEgOZjAwAJ

"Tell your friend that he will NEVER be able to force the topics of Eckankar to be removed from my site, but we ARE endlessly entertained by his attempts to do so!"

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/BrMdjOdqv8o/q8fU2r-UqPsJ

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Additional references:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/3xzOV8K5TVg/0Oan3d3VE4oJ

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Can we clarify then by stating that Kinpa does not have any followers of his site? Thus proving what he wrote?

Let's take a look at the site.

http://www.lightforcenetwork.com/

Page search for the words: "Follow us" (near upper right corner). However, that still does not confirm who's site it is.

Maybe it says so on the Council link?

http://www.lightforcenetwork.com/staff-and-rules

I saw the words "PRECEPTOR & SHABDA", which I assume pertains to Kinpa. It does not specify him as the site owner, or that it is "HIS" site.

"Follow us" means what? Kinpa? Is "Us" all of the council members? Including you?

For some time I've wondered how the membership numbers are connected with you. How is it that you can "speak for" them. That's an awful lot of people to "speak for".

DOES THE SITE GIVE YOU PERMISSION TO PUBLICLY SPEAK FOR OVER 1400 MEMBERS AND TO PUBLISH SUCH MATERIAL AS YOU HAVE AT A.R.E.?

[Kinpa]

Of course it does! Is that a problem? You have NO right in any way, shape, or form, to speak to anyone that has no desire to speak to you. Why do you have this need? Not only does the site give me permission, but so does every member there in a very direct way. And btw, there hasn't been 1400 members there for quite some time.

[Henosis Sage]

RE Etznab asks:
"DOES THE SITE GIVE YOU PERMISSION TO PUBLICLY SPEAK FOR OVER [1600] MEMBERS

AND TO PUBLISH SUCH MATERIAL AS YOU HAVE AT A.R.E.?"

Kinpoo's Reply:

"Of course it does! .... Not only does the site give me permission, but so
does EVERY MEMBER there in a very direct way."

Fark man you're cracking me up. Where DO you get all this shit except by
pulling it out of your own arse?

I LOVE IT ... keep it coming, please!

One minute Eckankar has "supposedly" given the LFN to use it's TRADEMARKS
and PUBLISH it's IN Print books by Klemp and old Audio tapes by Twitchell;

which is funny enough, but now every member of the LFN GAVE KINPOO DIRECT
PERMISSION to speak for over 1600 individuals ...

hehehehehe so funny. Really. THis time it is.

Sad for the LFN and ECKANKAR and those 1600+ individuals of course - but THEY
too have choices so put it all down to personal and group Karma.

The LFN will be no loss to the Internet nor the Planet. (shrug)

Keep it coming Matthewella~!!!

[Kinpa]

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Aww poor sean-o has to lie once again! He is only mad because he can't actually see anything on the sire, much less what happens in the chat room on a daily basis...almost reminds me of how he commented about some agency on the web (that we have NO contract to or contact with) reports only so many members going there...I have news for you, their estimates are pretty much always wrong! nice try!
Keep what coming? The truth? So now you are going to tell another lie about how I am illegally speaking about my site? How much more ridiculous can you possibly be???

> One minute Eckankar has "supposedly" given the LFN to use it's TRADEMARKS
> and PUBLISH it's IN Print books by Klemp and old Audio tapes by Twitchell;

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Perhaps you had better update yourself on the issue of copyrights and social media...YES, Eckankar actually DOES allow members to use the copyrighted logos and pictures and graphics and quotes! Not to mention your ridiculous insistence that you are going to write them and tell them something they don't already know? Seriously? You??? Do you actually believe that they don't know who sean arundel and dick mcclintock are, after how often you have railed against them and insisted on their being criminals and continuing to "lie" about things?

Only to what? Look at my site and see that I'm using materials in a positive way that people actually enjoy? LOL Hilarious! Try again, you're slipping!

> which is funny enough, but now every member of the LFN GAVE KINPOO DIRECT
> PERMISSION to speak for over 1600 individuals ...

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Yes they did, I speak to a great many members on a daily basis. I'm glad you find that funny, I DO realize that for an extremely lonely person like yourself it must be hard to believe that anyone could be so popular as to interact with so many people on a daily basis, and yet I do it daily and everyone there knows it! No one actually cares if you find that funny, or if you believe it, or if you do not! Get over yourself you silly man! Your response here is actually funnier than Etznab's whine that I wasn;t being fair to him because I get to speak for "1400" people (his number, as we now sit at 1560)and he doesn't even get to speak to ONE of them! NO you do NOT have ANY right to speak to ANYONE! LOL Hilarious! Suddenly he is unwilling to allow that ever important "freedom of religion" as he stated to Rob and claimed that Rob wasn't allowing for him!

You two get funnier and funnier by the day!

> hehehehehe so funny. Really. THis time it is.

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Ten laugh it up! I insist!

> Sad for the LFN and ECKANKAR and those 1600+ individuals of course - but THEY
> too have choices so put it all down to personal and group Karma.

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I'm not seeing any problem with that, other than that you seem to think that you somehow know what everyone's karma is, everyone's but your own of course! We all are doing quite well, thank you SO much for your concern!

> The LFN will be no loss to the Internet nor the Planet. (shrug)

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Especially since it isn't going anywhere! It IS however, quite the riot when you claim that it will! You're NO prophet sean, and definitely no sage! But ty for the laugh!!!!



> Keep it coming Matthewella~!!!
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Hanging on my every word???

[Etznab]

"[...] Your response here is actually funnier than Etznab's whine that I wasn;t being fair to him because I get to speak for "1400" people [... .]"

It's your whine, Kinpa, because Etznab wrote this:

"We aren't interested"

You said "we" aren't interested?

Is that fair? You can speak for 1400 and I'm not allowed to speak with even one?

So you are like a "moderator" over there at LFN?

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/PiDNZOc7pbc/yVLfdttLBAAJ

The point of my response was that you keep claiming to speak for hundreds of people and when I asked you for proof about even one (I asked for a link) and you blocked the avenue of that happening so that I could prove you represent them. I asked if you thought that was fair because I doubt you can speak for that many after you have been caught making up gross lies and twisting around other people's words.

For someone who is always asking for proof you sure don't do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

How does this sound, Kinpa. It is only your opinion that you speak for that many people. For all I know it could actually be a fond delusion of yours.

Why block me an avenue to prove that you speak for all those people? Why not give a link where I can go and open up conversation with them? What do you fear?

[Etznab]

On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 6:50:39 PM UTC-6, Kinpa wrote:

And try looking at the thread title under which my post appeared. I have been challenging you to prove that you can truly speak for that many people in the ways that you have here at a.r.e.

[Kinpa]

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A link to what? You can't get a link into the site.

I asked if you thought that was fair because I doubt you can speak for that many after you have been caught making up gross lies and twisting around other people's words.

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But it IS fair because THEY have the right to choose to speak to you or not, Did you NOT consider that? Or is it just TOO amazing that anyone might just not agree with you about plagiarisms that you are unwilling to believe it can happen?

> For someone who is always asking for proof you sure don't do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

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That is your opinion and you are welcomed to have it. That makes no difference to me and I have absolutely NO trouble leaving you with that.

> How does this sound, Kinpa. It is only your opinion that you speak for that many people. For all I know it could actually be a fond delusion of yours.

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It sounds fine except that it is NOT simply MY opinion at all! I'd suggest that you get over that, you don;t really have any choice in the matter, it resides only in the choice of those 1560 people who are concerned, and they DO ask what happens here and I give them the links, and they look! I don't care what google viewer count says (although if the have one I'm not seeing it anywhere) but I never did actually say that 1000 people were coming here at the very same moment either, you decided to assume that I had said that, and that one's on you...

> Why block me an avenue to prove that you speak for all those people? Why not give a link where I can go and open up conversation with them? What do you fear?

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I fear nothing, and I am not blocking you any avenue either, Perhaps ou did not see where I stated that they HAVE google accounts, they CAN post here if they WANT to! That also means that they CAN send you, the poster, an email to contact you outside of this place and not in a public post! How do you NOT understand that the are completely FREE to contact you IF they want to?

It is ridiculous to suggest that I fear letting you in, I do not, But you refuse to recognize the common sense that is right in front of you. They CAN speak to you, they have obviously chosen to NOT do that, or someone would have.

There is no link that you can go have a conversation. That is the simple answer. I am not standing in your way. We know who everyone is when they apply, one of those psychic things that you both like to ridicule, and yet it has been 100% effective, so we go with it. I AM the security all day long, and I will not let you in because of religious freedom, I feel that you will be intrusive to other's space.

You do not have to believe what I say. That suits me fine. And btw you both have only CLAIMED they are lies, so until you have proven that they ARE lies, they are NOT lies. You merely CLAIM that they are. I have no trouble that you retain your beliefs, but when you insist they are lies without proving that, it just doesn't work that way!

Oh yes, and to convict anyone for any of the nonsense that sean claims he is reporting, takes a lot more than a claim and a few bits of type. File charges if that is what you want to do. I have no problem with that either, sean believes that he won't have to pay for legal fees but that shows just how unfamiliar he is with the legal process. Not my problem. ave a nice day, and btw, don't worry about proving me anything, I have not asked you to do that, so that would be an invasion of my space. Have a great night!

[Kinpa]

I am aware of that,and I am disregarding your challenge! I notice that you both seem to consider that to prove a thing, but the truth is that it does not. Harold disregards those who make issues with plagiarisms too, for the same reasons. His silence doesn't mean that any of your assumptions or conclusions are correct or accurate, and claiming that the silence DOES prove that is a rather weak way of going about it. Silence is just silence. It says nothing! And everyone gets to hold on to whichever opinions they want to keep holding on to! One thing you seem to not understand is that the "prove it" challenge is an ego challenge! THAT is why I say it so often. My ego? no, YOUR ego! It is ALWAYS you that keeps demanding that I prove things to you that I don't have an need to prove to you. This isn't a contest. Things just are what they are, We do not need to agree with each other, I have NO trouble living that way. Why do you?

[Henosis Sage]

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This IS fun.

Kinpa now says: " I am not blocking you any avenue either "

Despite saying to you for over a YEAR that YOU can't join as a member,
nor get INTO the website, and that you cannot talk to anyone there,
because ...... HE AS THE OWNER WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO JOIN THE SITE -

HE'S BLOCKED YOU

LOL

Surely it doesn't get any better than this? :-)