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Etznab
Jun 11, 2015, 6:20:00 PM6/11/15
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I just decided to ask for other people's opinions about the topic of plagiarism and crediting of information to ancient masters. I asked people whom I don't know if they would care to share an opinion.
Kinpa
Jun 11, 2015, 6:42:46 PM6/11/15
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On Thursday, June 11, 2015 at 10:20:00 PM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> I just decided to ask for other people's opinions about the topic of plagiarism and crediting of information to ancient masters. I asked people whom I don't know if they would care to share an opinion.
That is fine, and if any decide to do so, then they will come and do that, however, I cannot claim that any necessarily will because they have all been here many times and have never yet decided to comment on anything. That could change at some point.
> I just decided to ask for other people's opinions about the topic of plagiarism and crediting of information to ancient masters. I asked people whom I don't know if they would care to share an opinion.
Etznab
Jun 11, 2015, 6:58:26 PM6/11/15
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Kinpa
Jun 11, 2015, 8:34:41 PM6/11/15
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Etznab
Jun 12, 2015, 9:48:04 PM6/12/15
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You spoke to me like you knew "them" and "they".
So you assumed wrong that I meant "them" or "they".
In fact, you didn't know who I asked. Nor will you know in the future who I speak to, or invite here.
So you assumed wrong that I meant "them" or "they".
In fact, you didn't know who I asked. Nor will you know in the future who I speak to, or invite here.
wernertrp
Jun 13, 2015, 1:58:44 AM6/13/15
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Am Freitag, 12. Juni 2015 00:20:00 UTC+2 schrieb Etznab:
> I just decided to ask for other people's opinions about the topic of plagiarism and crediting of information to ancient masters. I asked people whom I don't know if they would care to share an opinion.
I never believed that Eckankar is 5 Million Years old.
> I just decided to ask for other people's opinions about the topic of plagiarism and crediting of information to ancient masters. I asked people whom I don't know if they would care to share an opinion.
I never believed in any Eck master.
I never believed not for one second in Rebazar Tarzs.
I studied simultaneously while I was in Eckankar this side Track:
The Herald of coming Good.
Life is only real than when I am..
Beelzebubs Erzählungen für seine Enkel.
G.I.Gurdjieff
Die Trinksprüche Gurdjieff:
Ja, hier sieht gleich ein jedermann, dass Größenwahn nicht Schaden kann.
Statt still und stumpf und dumm zu leiden, tun wir ein Festmahl
vorbereiten.
Wir setzen uns zu Tische dann und stoßen mit 'nem Trinkspruch an:
""Versammelt sind hier die Idioten, ob einfach oder zum Quadrat erhoben,
wir essen was uns vorgesetzt und fallen Krumen von den Tischen,
lass' doch die unt'ren Chargen wischen, wir feiern bis spät in die
Nacht
und haben uns halb totgelacht. Ein Jeder sagt 'nen Trinkspruch auf:
"Hier glänzen farbig leuchtende Idioten, ihr Ruf steigt auf in höh're
Dimensionen,
ihr Ruf verhallt in dunkler Nacht, ihr Gott hat Aug' und Ohren
zugemacht.""
Kinpa
Jun 14, 2015, 7:06:44 PM6/14/15
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Etznab
Jun 14, 2015, 10:08:33 PM6/14/15
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"That is fine, and if any decide to do so, then they will come and do that, however, I cannot claim that any necessarily will because they have all been here many times and have never yet decided to comment on anything. That could change at some point."
So, it was like you were speaking about other people. However, I did not speak to those other people.
Kinpa
Jun 14, 2015, 10:34:31 PM6/14/15
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You demanded that I prove such persons exist by inviting them here to talk with you, just not on this particular thread...you have made such comments nearly every time I mentioned that any such group of people exist, and yes, I AM speaking for them at present, in case you wondered...I have heard a great number of comments about both of you in the last few days as well as the comments posted here, and they remain as I have always claimed...they simply do not wish to speak to either of you...
They have the freedom to make that choice and I cannot try to push them in any other direction, nor would I, just as I have never tried to insist that youi should agree with me....
Everyone can come to the conclusion they want to, however, no one has any right to insist that another adopt THEIR point of view, I expect that out of basic common sense, and have never claimed otherwise...
Etznab
Jun 14, 2015, 10:44:11 PM6/14/15
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Go to the beginning of this thread and read. This is the conversation and the context I was referring to.
Why are you changing the context to other conversations? Trying to escape the truth? Can't admit that you were wrong?
It's not a big deal, Kinpa. It was an easy mistake to make.
Henosis Sage
Jun 14, 2015, 11:17:53 PM6/14/15
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On Monday, 15 June 2015 12:44:11 UTC+10, Etznab wrote:
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> Your changing the subject.
(TSK TSK THAT'S A TYPO ETZNAB!!! "You're" is correct; you bad person you. )
I said nothing about asking the people you know, and it seemed that you assumed I meant them. Your response was:
"That is fine, and if any decide to do so, then they will come and do that, however, I cannot claim that any necessarily will because they have all been here many times and have never yet decided to comment on anything. That could change at some point."
O.K. You wrote: "... they have all been here many times and have never yet decided to comment on anything."
So, it was like you were speaking about other people. However, I did not speak to those other people.
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No, you never did on this thread - you were present and said exactly what you meant to say.
Some people are clueless and cannot read or stay focused on what's happening in the real world.
What do they say about people like that, I wonder?
>
> Your changing the subject.
(TSK TSK THAT'S A TYPO ETZNAB!!! "You're" is correct; you bad person you. )
>
> Go to the beginning of this thread and read. This is the conversation and the context I was referring to.
>
> Why are you changing the context to other conversations? Trying to escape the truth? Can't admit that you were wrong?
>
> It's not a big deal, Kinpa. It was an easy mistake to make.
LAST I LOOKED THIS WAS PLAIN & CLEAR
> Go to the beginning of this thread and read. This is the conversation and the context I was referring to.
>
> Why are you changing the context to other conversations? Trying to escape the truth? Can't admit that you were wrong?
>
> It's not a big deal, Kinpa. It was an easy mistake to make.
I said nothing about asking the people you know, and it seemed that you assumed I meant them. Your response was:
"That is fine, and if any decide to do so, then they will come and do that, however, I cannot claim that any necessarily will because they have all been here many times and have never yet decided to comment on anything. That could change at some point."
O.K. You wrote: "... they have all been here many times and have never yet decided to comment on anything."
So, it was like you were speaking about other people. However, I did not speak to those other people.
No, you never did on this thread - you were present and said exactly what you meant to say.
Some people are clueless and cannot read or stay focused on what's happening in the real world.
What do they say about people like that, I wonder?
Kinpa
Jun 15, 2015, 12:09:03 AM6/15/15
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Kinpa
Jun 15, 2015, 12:12:34 AM6/15/15
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Henosis Sage
Jun 15, 2015, 12:40:50 AM6/15/15
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On Monday, 15 June 2015 14:12:34 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:
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1) ."You deleted your posts after all, not I."
2) ."I was referring to the context you had been carrying on for
. a couple of days, then deleted it all..."
3) ."...you have also insisted that I provide you with proof.."
4) . "I had thought my explanation made it fairly clear that I had the context wrong,.."
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1 thru 4 are all lies, another example of intentional deceit and manipulations.
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1) ."You deleted your posts after all, not I."
2) ."I was referring to the context you had been carrying on for
. a couple of days, then deleted it all..."
3) ."...you have also insisted that I provide you with proof.."
4) . "I had thought my explanation made it fairly clear that I had the context wrong,.."
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1 thru 4 are all lies, another example of intentional deceit and manipulations.
Etznab
Jun 15, 2015, 9:33:50 AM6/15/15
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I know it can happen, and with spelling. This is why someone might copy and paste text from a post into a new window and delete the old. So they can fix typos in the first, but keep the original text basically the same.
Kinpa
Jun 16, 2015, 12:26:28 PM6/16/15
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Not even remotely, but you go right on ahead and BELIEVE whatever you wish, just don't waste the public's time by insisting it is anything other than your chosen BELIEF! I stand by what I've said, you get no choice in that matter, and you do NOT own the group, so I recommend that you get used to it!
Kinpa
Jun 16, 2015, 12:29:13 PM6/16/15
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That is a fine example, however, it is not the one that I have been seeing so often around here recently, some completely delete posts that they make because they realize later on that it does not make them look very good to the public...those posts disappear forever onward, unless one has kept screenshots of them to be able prove they existed at all.
Etznab
Jun 17, 2015, 8:26:35 AM6/17/15
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Kinpa
Jun 18, 2015, 12:31:49 AM6/18/15
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Etznab
Jun 18, 2015, 12:51:31 AM6/18/15
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Henosis Sage
Jun 18, 2015, 12:55:13 AM6/18/15
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Kinpa
Jun 19, 2015, 7:38:01 PM6/19/15
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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/promotion
promotion
noun pro·mo·tion \prə-ˈmō-shən\
1. the act of moving someone to a higher or more important position or rank in an organization
2. the act of moving a sports team to a higher position in a league
3. something (such as advertising) that is done to make people aware of something and increase its sales or popularity
So, I am affiliated with no corporation so I am not promoting anything by the first definition. I have nothing to do with any sports team anywhere in the world, so the second definition cannot be applied. The third definition implies promotion so as to increase sales, i.e to make profits. Outside of that there is only increasing popularity.
So which item do you mean? I gain absolutely NO profit from the Eckankar Org. However I have no problem "promoting" Eckankar in the sense of explaining it, what it is, how it works, and what it is about, and if those things increase its popularity, then in THAT specific case alone am I a promoter.
I have no problem with that, however writing Eckankar material and posting it as blogs on a website is perfectly legal, is a thing I receive no remuneration for, from the site nor from Eckankar as an Organization. So you are flat wrong once again! Get over it, you have no choice in the matter and you have no say in it either. I shall continue as I have since the site opened. Please be aware that I do not need nor require your permission or blessing to do this. Your opinion has been noted and sufficiently disregarded.
Your stalking and commenting on my own interests at that site mean literally nothing to me, so your repeated attamps to falsify information are a constant failure. You are obviously running out of material to TRY to use against me, because these commenst seem EXTREMELY desperate, but, as you will. I hope you won't mind if I chuckle however....
Kinpa
Jun 19, 2015, 7:46:04 PM6/19/15
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Etznab
Jun 19, 2015, 8:41:49 PM6/19/15
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"... However I have no problem "promoting" Eckankar in the sense of explaining it, what it is, how it works, and what it is about, and if those things increase its popularity, then in THAT specific case alone am I a promoter."
Reference material ... quoting ...
promoter (n.)
late 14c., "one who promotes" (the interest of someone), "supporter," agent noun from promote, and also from Old French promoteur and directly from Medieval Latin promotor. Specific financial sense of "one who leads in forming a company" is from 1876; sense of "one who organizes sporting or entertainment events" is attested from 1936.
promote (v.)
late 14c., "to advance (someone) to a higher grade or office," from Old French promoter and directly from Latin promotus, past participle of promovere "move forward, advance; cause to advance, push onward; bring to light, reveal," from pro- "forward" (see pro-) + movere "to move" (see move (v.)). General sense of "to further the growth or progress of (anything)" is from 1510s. Related: Promoted; promoting.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=promote&searchmode=none
It is good to keep in mind the context of time when giving definitions for words, as popular meanings can change with time; and when pseudo historians change them intentionally in order to further and promote their own cause, in spite of the actual truth.
Some trivia:
"The ECK teachings have been here from the earliest times, but they haven't carried the name of ECKANKAR. They have been brought out under different names at different times because they could not be presented openly, but at this point in history they can. So Paul was advertising himself in any way he could, and in general preparing for the future when he would use his talents to promote his books and articles on ECKANKAR."
[Based on: Harold Klemp, The Secret Teachings, Mahanta Transcripts, Book 3, Copyright 1989, p. 144]
Paul's talents, which Harold failed to explicitly mention in that passage, included plagiarizing from other authors and presenting the words as if coming from Eck Masters and beings from various heavenly planes.
More trivia: "[...] In Paul's last words before his death, at the Cincinnati Seminar, as recorded in the book, Difficulties of Becoming The Living ECK Master, pages 134-135, he said:
'A lot of the impressions that I first set out in my first work, I'm having to go back and redo these things and try to correct them. I'm like the fellow who felt his way along in a college course. They told him he had to write a book in order to keep in the work, and he didn't know what to say. He had to go and he had to do something, but when he did, he got it all wrong. And by getting it all wrong, ten years from there, he had to go back and correct his book and rewrite it, and nobody believed him because they were believing the first impression of what he made. And this is the position I'm in.' [... .]"
Like Julian Johnson in The Path Of The Masters, Paul also communicated how he wrote (in some places) what his master (Rebazar Tarzs) told him to write. Example:
Rebazar Tarzs: "I want you to take down the following words as part of a discourse to give the world. You will act as a channel for this message. Are you ready?"
Paul, in effect, furthered the idea of a living master always present in the world and a lineage that included Rebazar Tarzs as his initiating master.
Paul wrote:
"My personal acquaintance with him began several years ago in the foothills of the Himalayas near Darjeeling. Since then, he has been near, dictating much material about ECKANKAR to be given to the world."
Look at this thread to see part of what Rebazar allegedly dictated.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/alt.religion.eckankar/MqPyi6nZ0vw/4tiDSAz_QI0J
Etznab
Jun 19, 2015, 8:46:47 PM6/19/15
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Harold wrote:
"The ECK teachings have been here from the earliest times, but they haven't carried the name of ECKANKAR. They have been brought out under different names at different times because they could not be presented openly, but at this point in history they can. So Paul was advertising himself in any way he could, and in general preparing for the future when he would use his talents to promote his books and articles on ECKANKAR."
[Based on: Harold Klemp, The Secret Teachings, Mahanta Transcripts, Book 3, Copyright 1989, p. 144]
Etznab
Jun 19, 2015, 8:51:41 PM6/19/15
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On Friday, June 19, 2015 at 7:41:49 PM UTC-5, Etznab wrote:
Did Paul Twitchell, in a number of instances (which can be illustrated, and which were illustrated here at a.r.e.) create a fictional Rebazar Tarzs later discovered to actually have been a growing list of plagiarized materials?
Etznab
Jun 19, 2015, 9:04:33 PM6/19/15
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On Thursday, June 11, 2015 at 5:20:00 PM UTC-5, Etznab wrote:
> I just decided to ask for other people's opinions about the topic of plagiarism and crediting of information to ancient masters. I asked people whom I don't know if they would care to share an opinion.
Plagiarism only proves plagiarism. So I have heard.
> I just decided to ask for other people's opinions about the topic of plagiarism and crediting of information to ancient masters. I asked people whom I don't know if they would care to share an opinion.
Just for the record, what means the word?
plagiarism (n.) 1620s, from -ism + plagiary (n.) "plagiarist, literary thief" (1590s), ... .
Question; Who was a plagiarist? Choose one of the following:
A.) Paul Twitchell
B.) Rebazar Tarzs
c.) Both A & B
Kinpa
Jun 19, 2015, 9:30:58 PM6/19/15
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Accusing one of being a pseudo-historian is still mere opinion...I see no one rushing in here to support your opinions other than your friend...do what you like, but stop accusing falsely and calling false names! Until you can accomplish that, no one is going to pay you any attention....have you ever noticed that no one new EVER comes here to speak? Ever wonder why?
> Some trivia:
>
> "The ECK teachings have been here from the earliest times, but they haven't carried the name of ECKANKAR. They have been brought out under different names at different times because they could not be presented openly, but at this point in history they can. So Paul was advertising himself in any way he could, and in general preparing for the future when he would use his talents to promote his books and articles on ECKANKAR."
That is a fact that you are unable to prove wrong...I realize that is IS an uncomfortable truth, but it IS a truth nonetheless. All spiritual paths and all that goes with them originate from the same place, Eckankar included...if that is a problem for you, then I suggest you get some help for the issue....Eckankar won't be going away in your lifetime, and seriously no one is asking you to return. If it troubles you that people still join Eckankar, then perhaps its time you found another interest in life, your choice however...
> [Based on: Harold Klemp, The Secret Teachings, Mahanta Transcripts, Book 3, Copyright 1989, p. 144]
>
> Paul's talents, which Harold failed to explicitly mention in that passage, included plagiarizing from other authors and presenting the words as if coming from Eck Masters and beings from various heavenly planes.
What of it? None of that changes the fact that the information DID come from a higher plane before any author wrote of it, and things have always been this way. Storming around making insistences in an Eckankar group is the wrong way to go about it in my opinion. But your continuing insistences paint a very clear picture of you.
> More trivia: "[...] In Paul's last words before his death, at the Cincinnati Seminar, as recorded in the book, Difficulties of Becoming The Living ECK Master, pages 134-135, he said:
>
> 'A lot of the impressions that I first set out in my first work, I'm having to go back and redo these things and try to correct them. I'm like the fellow who felt his way along in a college course. They told him he had to write a book in order to keep in the work, and he didn't know what to say. He had to go and he had to do something, but when he did, he got it all wrong. And by getting it all wrong, ten years from there, he had to go back and correct his book and rewrite it, and nobody believed him because they were believing the first impression of what he made. And this is the position I'm in.' [... .]"
And?
> Like Julian Johnson in The Path Of The Masters, Paul also communicated how he wrote (in some places) what his master (Rebazar Tarzs) told him to write. Example:
>
> Rebazar Tarzs: "I want you to take down the following words as part of a discourse to give the world. You will act as a channel for this message. Are you ready?"
>
> Paul, in effect, furthered the idea of a living master always present in the world and a lineage that included Rebazar Tarzs as his initiating master.
>
> Paul wrote:
>
>
> "My personal acquaintance with him began several years ago in the foothills of the Himalayas near Darjeeling. Since then, he has been near, dictating much material about ECKANKAR to be given to the world."
>
> Look at this thread to see part of what Rebazar allegedly dictated.
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/alt.religion.eckankar/MqPyi6nZ0vw/4tiDSAz_QI0J
The point?
Kinpa
Jun 19, 2015, 9:32:19 PM6/19/15
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Henosis Sage
Jun 20, 2015, 3:21:50 AM6/20/15
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it, what it is, how it works, and what it is about, and if those things
increase its popularity, then in THAT specific case alone am I a promoter."
I see.
increase its popularity, then in THAT specific case alone am I a promoter."
and when I wrote: Blog Posts by SHABDA - Preceptor - aka MATTHEW "NO I DO
NOT PROMOTE ECKANKAR" SHARPE aka Compulsive Liar and SCAMMER
aka Fuzzbucket_01 "Ask Me About ECK" button wearer on the LFN website
YOU SAID: "Lying again? You really make me laugh! Writing blogs about
aka Fuzzbucket_01 "Ask Me About ECK" button wearer on the LFN website
Eckankar is promotion? I disagree,...."
Perhaps you'd like another go? <smiling>
Maybe you could come up with something that will make you look like
an even BIGGER DUMBER IDIOT that you just made of yourself above.
So let me gets this right: Your a SENIOR GUARDIAN and contributor to the Light Force Network website? Yes? And you have written (i don't know) hundreds and hundreds of posts comments and detailed articles about Eckankar - and you PRESENT yourself there and HERE as some kind of a 30 year expert veteran on all things ECKANKAR, and a s result of your own activities you have already admitted to bring a "large" number of people INTO ECKANKAR, including LONI HAAS and many others on the LFN. Yes? pretty close enough for me ...
AND then you go and think what you said above doesn't make you look like the complete idiot that you are with ZERO CREDIBILITY of being able to get even the most simplest things true, correct, accurate, or even consistent in a short paragraph .. all the while for months here DENYING that you PROMOTE ECKANKAR...
You're pretty Sharpe Matthew .... a shining light of wisdom, freedom and power one can gain from being in ECKANKAR for 30 years ... great job.
Who needs a David Lane or a Ford Johnson around when YOU KEEP DOING WHAT YOU DO.
Oh boy ... ROTFLMFAO and spilt my friggin' hot coffee on my lap as well.... damn
No wonder not one person has appeared to defend your ingenious stupidity;
or your character, or your complete lack of CREDIBILITY and SPIRITUAL INSIGHTS;
or your endless LYNING and ABUSE here.... All praise the great SANT Shabda ....
Henosis Sage
Jun 20, 2015, 3:36:39 AM6/20/15
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What *path*?
Henosis Sage
Jun 20, 2015, 3:40:44 AM6/20/15
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On Thursday, 18 June 2015 14:51:31 UTC+10, Etznab wrote:
RE: "Prove it then. Show the deleted posts."
Cat got his tongue again ... LOL
Come on KINPA .... show the deleted posts you claim you saved.
Prove they exist.
Prove they prove what Etznab said is NOT TRUE by showing those deleted posts.
Damn, caught out LYING yet again !!!
No surprise there .. the evidence is everywhere on a.r.e. and LFN site.
LMAO~~~!!!
HA
RE: "Prove it then. Show the deleted posts."
Cat got his tongue again ... LOL
Come on KINPA .... show the deleted posts you claim you saved.
Prove they exist.
Prove they prove what Etznab said is NOT TRUE by showing those deleted posts.
Damn, caught out LYING yet again !!!
No surprise there .. the evidence is everywhere on a.r.e. and LFN site.
LMAO~~~!!!
HA
Henosis Sage
Jun 20, 2015, 4:09:08 AM6/20/15
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On Saturday, 20 June 2015 10:41:49 UTC+10, Etznab wrote:
RE: "The ECK teachings have been here from the earliest times, but they haven't carried the name of ECKANKAR. They have been brought out under different names at different times because they could not be presented openly, but at this point in history they can. So Paul was advertising himself in any way he could, and in general preparing for the future when he would use his talents to promote his books and articles on ECKANKAR."
"They have been brought out under different names at different times because
they could not be presented openly, but at this point in history they can."
Oh really?
And under what different NAMES did the ECK masters use when they were
NOT being presented openly?
Harold answer? SILENCE .. must be an ECK secret for Living ECK masters only ....
Hey! But maybe SANT SHABDA knows?
Maddie, what "paths" using different names was really the ECK teachings
that were not being presented openly in the past?
Whatever they were they could NOT have been the following, because they were all OPENLY presented in the world:
Sant Mat
Kabir panth
Sikhism
Hinduism
Christianity
Rosicrucian
Theosophy
Radhasoami
Ruhani Satsang
New Thought
Spiritualists
Crowley's OTO
Judaism
Buddhist Teachings
Milarepa
Pythagoreans
The Greeks
Islam
Sufis
Rumi
Shams
Kriya Yoga
Eka Sarana Dharma
Gnostics
Freemasonary
Mormans
Kung Fu/Shaolin
James Mitose (convisted murderer)
Scientology
Naam Bhakti
Bhakti movement
Science
Physics
Astronomy
Numerology
Astrology
Marquis de Sade (even)
several well known novelists
Neville
Brunton
Bailey
Besant
Schure
Illion
Guy Ballard
..................... and on and on is what Eckankar is made up of.
The rest is what Twitchell simply made up himself, like his "imaginary"
eck master hierarchy, initiations, cosmology, creation myths, root races,
and all the rest of his details presented as being something they were
not, and will never be.
So, all of the above were OPENLY taught and well known!!!
So Harold Klemp is OBVIOUSLY NOT speaking of those teachings and paths;
and therefore what exactly ARE the one's he is referring to because they
could not be presented openly in the past ????
TRUTH SEEKERS WISH TO KNOW SUCH WISDOM FROM THE MAHANTA OF ECKANKAR or his
Initiates who are dedicated to PROMOTING this SUPERIOR teaching called ECKANKAR.
It's a simple question, no harm can befall those in THE PAST, or in the present,
so an answer - a TRUTHFUL answer, would be wonderful to hear about and consider.
Otherwise many might well come to the conclusion that Harold Klemp is an egregious LIAR who will say anything to keep this MYTHOLOGY ALIVE in the
minds of the misled and self-deluded and psychologically unstable members
caught in a PSYCHIC TRAP that relies on false pretenses to promote itself, recruit new members and to hold them.
(shrug)
no I do not expect an answer.
You know why?
Because there is no answer to such a lie and falsehood as that told by Harold Klemp of ECKANKAR ...
The only thing Matthew Sharpe can do is lie as well.
A simpleton and incompetent in matters psychological and spiritual.
RE: "The ECK teachings have been here from the earliest times, but they haven't carried the name of ECKANKAR. They have been brought out under different names at different times because they could not be presented openly, but at this point in history they can. So Paul was advertising himself in any way he could, and in general preparing for the future when he would use his talents to promote his books and articles on ECKANKAR."
[Based on: Harold Klemp, The Secret Teachings, Mahanta Transcripts, Book 3, Copyright 1989, p. 144]
Poor Harold, because he makes such a poor liar.
"They have been brought out under different names at different times because
they could not be presented openly, but at this point in history they can."
And under what different NAMES did the ECK masters use when they were
NOT being presented openly?
Harold answer? SILENCE .. must be an ECK secret for Living ECK masters only ....
Hey! But maybe SANT SHABDA knows?
Maddie, what "paths" using different names was really the ECK teachings
that were not being presented openly in the past?
Whatever they were they could NOT have been the following, because they were all OPENLY presented in the world:
Sant Mat
Kabir panth
Sikhism
Hinduism
Christianity
Rosicrucian
Theosophy
Radhasoami
Ruhani Satsang
New Thought
Spiritualists
Crowley's OTO
Judaism
Buddhist Teachings
Milarepa
Pythagoreans
The Greeks
Islam
Sufis
Rumi
Shams
Kriya Yoga
Eka Sarana Dharma
Gnostics
Freemasonary
Mormans
Kung Fu/Shaolin
James Mitose (convisted murderer)
Scientology
Naam Bhakti
Bhakti movement
Science
Physics
Astronomy
Numerology
Astrology
Marquis de Sade (even)
several well known novelists
Neville
Brunton
Bailey
Besant
Schure
Illion
Guy Ballard
..................... and on and on is what Eckankar is made up of.
The rest is what Twitchell simply made up himself, like his "imaginary"
eck master hierarchy, initiations, cosmology, creation myths, root races,
and all the rest of his details presented as being something they were
not, and will never be.
So, all of the above were OPENLY taught and well known!!!
So Harold Klemp is OBVIOUSLY NOT speaking of those teachings and paths;
and therefore what exactly ARE the one's he is referring to because they
could not be presented openly in the past ????
TRUTH SEEKERS WISH TO KNOW SUCH WISDOM FROM THE MAHANTA OF ECKANKAR or his
Initiates who are dedicated to PROMOTING this SUPERIOR teaching called ECKANKAR.
It's a simple question, no harm can befall those in THE PAST, or in the present,
so an answer - a TRUTHFUL answer, would be wonderful to hear about and consider.
Otherwise many might well come to the conclusion that Harold Klemp is an egregious LIAR who will say anything to keep this MYTHOLOGY ALIVE in the
minds of the misled and self-deluded and psychologically unstable members
caught in a PSYCHIC TRAP that relies on false pretenses to promote itself, recruit new members and to hold them.
(shrug)
no I do not expect an answer.
You know why?
Because there is no answer to such a lie and falsehood as that told by Harold Klemp of ECKANKAR ...
The only thing Matthew Sharpe can do is lie as well.
A simpleton and incompetent in matters psychological and spiritual.
Henosis Sage
Jun 20, 2015, 4:25:24 AM6/20/15
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On Saturday, 20 June 2015 11:30:58 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:
Dick wit continues the lies distortions and manipulations and made up crap.
RE (harold quote) :
"I realize that is IS an uncomfortable truth, but it IS a truth nonetheless."
NOPE, you have no idea of the difference between "truth", LIES and BULLSHIT -
you're not equipped to work it out - just another SUCKER like Quoc, Ford, Klemp,
and Marman, Gail and Patti.
"All spiritual paths and all that goes with them originate from the same place, Eckankar included..."
PROVE IT ... ur full of SHIT .. repeating others falsehoods by ROTE "as if"
it might become true if you repeat it enough times, and people YOU RECRUIT believe it too .. well that just helps. Delusions are maintained by the
NUMBERS - truth and reality is irrelevant.
ECKANKAR never existed anywhere until Twitchell made it up ... that's the
facts and the TRUTH of it right there. Matthew Sharpe is selling SNAKE OIL.
Follow the leader, iow, behind twitchell, Klemp and marman ...
"if that is a problem for you, then I suggest you get some help for the issue...."
Hoi, who asked you asshole?
"Eckankar won't be going away in your lifetime,"
yeah? says who? matthew the lying scumbag? HA .. zero credibility - NONE
"and seriously no one is asking you to return."
That is NO WAY to speak to a fellow ECKist, is it??????
"If it troubles you that people still join Eckankar, then perhaps its
time you found another interest in life, your choice however... "
OH really, how nice ... well Mr Dumb Arse :-
If it troubles you that people still say Eckankar is BULLSHIT and a CON,
and uses FALSE PRETENSES to suck MONEY and attention; and POST criticisms
about ECKANKAR on a.r.e. .... then perhaps its time you found another
Resistance is futile .. remember QUOC .... he believed it all as well for 28 years
Anyone on Light Force network wanna see the package sent to the State Coroner
about the sudden death of 6th INITIATE Quoc from Sydney ... ??
BUYER BEWARE :-)
Kinpa is a lying defamer, an abuser, a manipulator and an idiot in everyday
life. Think about that ... this is what 30 years in ECKANKAR gets people like
him... when they fail to recognise the obvious BULLSHIT they swallow then
TELL OTHERS IT IS TRUE ... that they have already PROVEN IT for themselves %100!!!
Dick wit continues the lies distortions and manipulations and made up crap.
RE (harold quote) :
"That is a fact that you are unable to prove wrong..."
NOPE, that was a CLAIM you and Klemp are unable to PROVE CORRECT & TRUE
"I realize that is IS an uncomfortable truth, but it IS a truth nonetheless."
you're not equipped to work it out - just another SUCKER like Quoc, Ford, Klemp,
and Marman, Gail and Patti.
"All spiritual paths and all that goes with them originate from the same place, Eckankar included..."
it might become true if you repeat it enough times, and people YOU RECRUIT believe it too .. well that just helps. Delusions are maintained by the
NUMBERS - truth and reality is irrelevant.
ECKANKAR never existed anywhere until Twitchell made it up ... that's the
facts and the TRUTH of it right there. Matthew Sharpe is selling SNAKE OIL.
Follow the leader, iow, behind twitchell, Klemp and marman ...
"if that is a problem for you, then I suggest you get some help for the issue...."
"Eckankar won't be going away in your lifetime,"
"and seriously no one is asking you to return."
"If it troubles you that people still join Eckankar, then perhaps its
time you found another interest in life, your choice however... "
If it troubles you that people still say Eckankar is BULLSHIT and a CON,
and uses FALSE PRETENSES to suck MONEY and attention; and POST criticisms
about ECKANKAR on a.r.e. .... then perhaps its time you found another
interest in life, your choice however...
I suggest that a decent PSYCHIATRIST would be very helpful in the LONGER term.
Resistance is futile .. remember QUOC .... he believed it all as well for 28 years
Anyone on Light Force network wanna see the package sent to the State Coroner
about the sudden death of 6th INITIATE Quoc from Sydney ... ??
BUYER BEWARE :-)
Kinpa is a lying defamer, an abuser, a manipulator and an idiot in everyday
life. Think about that ... this is what 30 years in ECKANKAR gets people like
him... when they fail to recognise the obvious BULLSHIT they swallow then
TELL OTHERS IT IS TRUE ... that they have already PROVEN IT for themselves %100!!!
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