What Etznab Davoli, Ki-Wi Arundell, & T. Till do not see....

[JR]

Paul Twitchell's Eckankar is to the human consciousness as the lotus is to the sewage on which it thrives. All three of you as well as others who have trouble comprehending God's word: The Light & Sound, confuse sewage for purity and falsely draw conclusions that the lotus and the sewage are the same.

The Spiritual challenge each of you fail to understand (or "leave out" due to preconceived biases) is the challenge to abstract beyond the paradox of circumstantial evidence; the evidence that the lowest of the vile may humbly nourish such great beauty.

If you have taken the time to read the Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad, then the first volume would have mentioned the value of reading Sir James Frazer's Golden Bough in which the priest king of Lake Nemi was required to be the escaped slave who defeats and slays the current priest to gain his freedom. It was the priest king who protected or guarded the golden bough or what we have named mistletoe, which when boiled cured sickness from plague.

With Great Britain's advent into India, scholars began to see parallels between the Druids who settled there to thrive and the pagan traditions of Europe which current Europeans in the centuries following the Crusades have lost touch with.

This is the morass in which we find each of your spastic intellects floundering to the enjoyment of a.r.e.'s angels.

JR

[NOTE: It is apparent the person who posts here on this Eckankar bulletin board with the intent to dominate public opinion by their presence is also the person obsessed with falsely reporting all other posts who do not agree with his as "abusive." This is in itself proof the three in agreement mentioned above cannot distinguish the human consciousness from Eckankar. It is therefore timely to quietly, kindly warn you that your family members will eventually become as blind as you or worse.]

[Henosis Sage]

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RE: "... the person obsessed with falsely reporting all other posts who do not

agree with his as "abusive."

That'd be JR and Kinpa I suppose. Already busted you with fake google IDs now
didn't I dimwit? be378405093732 or sumpting one was .. LOL

JR, didn't you get the memo from Kinpa - no one knows who does the "reporting
of posts" here.

It sure isn;t me ... but it sure looks like ETznab, Tisra Til, Werner and I
have an army of silent supporters. You don't seem to have a single one.

Oh well, life just sucks some days, doesn't it?

Besides I told him ages ago I had a mature professional arrangement with
Google Groups staff about all YOUR abusive posts and cyber-stalking here.

*twinkle*

No need to believe me of course - belief cannot change the reality except
inside your own delusional head spaces. Everyone else lives in the real world.

*bugger*

[Henosis Sage]

On Saturday, 16 July 2016 11:35:23 UTC+10, JR wrote:

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Maybe that's Wi-Fi Arundell ????????

Cash RegisTer Till and Etznabbi Ravioli?

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Had YOU taken the time to read the Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad and done some basic
research, or listened to what has been said here for YEARS now then the first
volume would have showed up the verbatim copying and plagiarism from the well
known Freemason and history research Col James Churchward who had large parts
taken from his book for Twitchell's Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad – Book One
Printed 1985 Pages 52-55 end of Chapter 3
The Doctrine of the ECK Marg
By Paul Twitchell published 1970



Correspondences in Text of the Shariyat & The Lost Continent of MU by PTHA
Relating to MU/Lemuria, Atlantis, Uighur and the Aryans – Dated 2012-01-17

REF https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-M0yAR0UPhPc05aWm42Q0xyWDQ

short extract goes like this:

Those BLANK blocks on the right column therefore indicate those parts of the Shariyat

written originally by Paul [but not taken from the LCoM ... probably some other book].

You will note that there is very little in these three pages that do not rely upon the

work of Churchward, in word count it is 335 words out of 1133 by Paul.

Thus 70% of the text in the Shariyat is basically being sourced/plagiarized from

Churchward, irrespective how much Paul edited that text to his own purposes and style.

For much is still VERBATIM, which means it is copying the FORM of the prior work

and not just the ideas or knowledge; and it is THAT ACT which specifically indicates the

common definition for plagiarism.

It should also be noted in the complete extract & and the book by Churchward that he

REFERENCES those parts of his texts that he is using verbatim from his sources (listed

in the Intro section). And that despite him drawing from others works it is still

Churchwards personal style and text ie FORM that is being predominantly copied here.

Meaning that Paul did NOT himself use the source materials that Churchward

acknowledged he used.

We would also like to mention here that what follows is not the only example of direct

verbatim plagiarisms to be found within both the Shariyat books; in fact we can safely

say that there is NOT ONE Eckankar related manuscript or published book written by

Paul Twitchell that does not contain extensive use & word for word plagiarism of others

materials.



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2011-12-31 History of Rama, Ra Mu Churchward, SKS, Three Margs, 8x Eck Margs, Eck Lexicon

Ref: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-M0yAR0UPhPTjF6NVVQNWRSeW8


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Keep it coming My Muses

[Etznab]

I believe Paul described the Shariyat scriptures as if they were kept hidden away and with him appearing for the first time.

"These writings of golden wisdom which have always been hidden in the spiritual worlds have now been translated and published for the first time."

Based on 2nd paragraph to 1st page of Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad, Book Two.

Is that true? Always been hidden and by Paul's hand published for the first time? Let's check.

Quoting a sample of text comparisons ...

"No problem greater or more moving confronts man than that of possible awareness of his own consciousness, the deep significance of the place he occupies in the world as a whole, and the purpose he should first discover and then pursue.

"This consciousness of Soul is the primal ECKANKAR experience, which while causing one to penetrate into one's own innermost being, at the same time causes one to penetrate into the universe. Therefore, man cannot behold this universe as we could some spectacle before his own eyes for he, himself, is a part of it. He aids in its formation; he is, as it were, a fellow actor in a kind of drama, the variation of which depends upon his subjective life which expresses its manifold incidents.

"His affective states are not to be considered as mere accidents, of interest to no others but himself, to which the universe remains impassive, for thereby he penetrate into its intimacy and participate in the innermost workings of its life to gain the revelations of its mystery. [... .]

- The Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad, Paul Twitchell, Copyright 1971, Second Edition 1988, p. 149

COMPARE WITH ...

"NO problem of greater or of more moving import confronts man than that of possible awareness of his own consciousness, the deep significance of the place he occupies in the world as a whole, and of the purpose he should first discover and then pursue.

[Quoting Julian Johnson, quoting Lavelle:]

"This consciousness of Self[1] is the primal metaphysical experience, which, whilst causing one to penetrate into one's innermost being, at the same time causes one to penetrate into the universe. We cannot behold this universe as we could some spectacle before our eyes, for we ourselves are part of it; we aid in its formation; we are — as it were — fellow actors in a kind of drama, the variations of which depend on our subjective life which expresses its manifold incidents. Our affective states are not to be considered as mere accidents, of interest to no one but ourselves, to which the universe remains impassive, for thereby we penetrate into its intimacy and participate in the innermost workings of its life and gain the revelation of its mystery. LAVELLE

[... .]

1. Self, called by Brunton 'Overself' and by Graham Howe 'I' and 'Me'.

http://www.archive.org/stream/ThePathOfTheMasters/ThePathOfTheMasters#page/n7/mode/2up/search/problem

http://www.archive.org/stream/ThePathOfTheMasters/ThePathOfTheMasters_djvu.txt

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Other possible appropriated sources include:

The Way of The White Clouds: A Buddhist Pilgrim in Tibet, by Lama Anagarika Govinda and In search of the Miraculous, P. D. Ospensky (1949)

Both of those authors were mentioned by Doug Marman in his "Whole truth" book.

Shariyat Book One has quotes similar to Churchward's material, I believe, and I've yet to do an extensive check for Shariyat Book Two. Maybe I am now being inspired to.

In summary, there is material in the Shariyat's that has not appeared for the first time with Paul Twitchell. Plagiarized from a book and the authors not credited is not the same as "... now been translated and published for the first time."

How about plagiarized for the first time? And Eckankar (under Darwin) once claimed the book The Path Of The Masters was not plagiarized by Paul Twitchell. David Lane showed that it was one of the most heavily plagiarized books!

So what is it with the duplicity? Eckankar claiming one thing and the truth being another? This is the matter that needs to be addressed me thinks. Why?

"Refuse to see Truth, pretend that it is impossible to know what is true and what is not, distort Truth, seek to mix it with Untruth, attempt to deceive both ourselves and others, give Truth in an unattractive manner, then chaos will reign in our lives...

"This is the time for Truth 'the Truth, the whole Truth and nothing but the Truth.' This is no time for half-Truths, for bewilderment and lack of understanding. These constitute the soil in which grief grows. In Truth alone there is comfort, understanding and courage."

Paul Twitchell, The Flute of God

http://www.spiritualdialogues.com/thewholetruth.html

I'm sure this will read like a brick over the head (pun intended) for some:

"Apart from Truth being spoken to others, Truth is an absolute need in our lives. We must see Truth and know Truth and think Truth, always. If we refuse to see Truth, or pretend we cannot tell what is true and what is not; if we distort Truth or seek to mix it with untruth; if we, in fact, like to deceive both ourselves and others if the truth does not present an attractive aspect to us, then chaos will reign in our lives. Our Real Self will be in conflict with our outer self and we shall continually find ourselves in the most unpleasant situations."

http://thought-bricks.com/courses/thought-bricks-foundation-lessons/thought-bricks-9-truth-liberator/

Bernard:

The "Divine Promises" have been puzzling thinking people throughout the ages. For while they speak of love; they speak of wrath. How can the two be reconciled?

It is this way. The divine promises are spoken as the voice of everlasting law. God put this law into action at the beginning of the world, that "whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap". This law is just and logical, part of great inheritance of man, who is God's offspring and heir.

Whatsoever God has "sown" on earth by the power of his divine thought has grown into visible reality. Therefore whatever we "sow", as offspring and heir of God, comes into visible reality too.

God's thoughts are infinite; man's are finite - both operate under the same divinely appointed law. With this knowledge the divine promises are made clear in both their aspects. If evil is sown in thought, evil is "reaped". If good is sown in thought, good is "reaped".

How then to turn evil, once "sown" and reaped, into good? By the power of Christ within, the intermediary which saves us from our "sins". The scripture tells us, "Your life is hide with Christ in God". This divinely appointed "bridge" between God and man, between God and not-good (or evil) enables that which is not good to become good, that which is not happy to become happy and that which is incurable to become curable. [... .]

http://thought-bricks.com/charts-2/divine-promises-chart-affirmation-exercise/

"Anyone following the path of ECKANKAR cannot go through a day satisfied that he has read some truth in the morning or that he is going to hear some truth in the afternoon or evening. There must be a conscious realization of truth going on all the time." [The Key to Eckankar]

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/iGrI8aNG0Dc/9-xAkCNiuTcJ

So truth is important.

"The student of spiritual wisdom cannot go through his day, satisfied that he has read some truth in the morning, or that he is going to hear some truth in the afternoon or evening. There must be a conscious activity of truth going on all the time. - Practicing the Presence

http://www.scribd.com/doc/82916572/Practicing-the-Presence-of-God-Joel-S-Goldsmith

KTE - p. 40

"Spiritual consciousness is attained through the activity of truth in consciousness. Dwelling on scriptural quotations or statements of truth helps to spiritualize thought. The more truth we read and hear, the more truth is active in our consciousness. We learn to abide in the world by putting truth into ourselves. This is the first step on the way to God."

PTP - p. 20

Spiritual consciousness is attained through the activity of truth in consciousness. Dwelling on scriptural quotations or statements of truth helps to spiritualize thought. The more truth that we read and hear, the more active is truth in our consciousness. Thus we learn to abide in the Word. This is the first step on the Way.

TKTE - p. 40

"The second step cannot be taken unless the first step has been mastered, that is, knowing the letter of truth. All the years we spend in reading truth, attending services, lectures, and classes are fruitful in leading us to that point where inspiration flows from within our own being. This inspiration, however, usually comes only after a thorough grounding in the letter of truth."

PTP - p. 21

The second step, which leads to a state of consciousness where we are receptive and responsive to the still small voice, cannot be taken, however, unless the first step has been mastered, that is, knowing the letter of truth. All the years that a person has spent in reading truth, hearing truth, thinking truth, attending church services, lectures, or classes are fruitful in leading him to that point where inspiration flows from within his own being. This inspiration, however, usually comes only after a thorough grounding in the letter of truth.

TKTE - p. 40

"Yaubl Sacabi told me long ago, 'Let my spirit dwell in you. And so shall the SUGMAD be exalted so that you will bear the harvest of good deeds.'
"To live in this truth, to abide in the Word, is to bear the harvest of all things in the richest manner: that is, to live harmoniously in the spiritual senses. But if we forget to live in the Word, to abide in It, and let It live in us, we become as the branch of a tree that is cut off and withers away.
"How can we live in the Word if we do not know It? We must know the Truth. We must learn what the correct letter of truth is. Let us have a principle with which to work, and let us stand on this principle, until the moment comes when we feel that spiritual awareness within us is realized. Then we shall know that we have attained the spirit of truth, the consciousness of truth, which is the Word of the SUGMAD and is power. Anyone with a sufficient desire for a realization of God can achieve that realization - the grace of God will guarantee it.

PTP - p. 21

Jesus tells us to let "my words abide in you. ... Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit." To live in that truth, to abide in that Word, is to bear fruit richly, that is, to live harmoniously, spiritual lives. But if we forget to live in the Word, to abide in it, and let it abide in us, we become as branches that are cut off and wither. How can we abide in this Word if we do not know it? We must know the truth. We must learn that the correct letter of truth is. Let us have a specific principle with which to work and let us stand on that principle, until the moment comes when we feel that spiritual awareness within us, which is realization. Then we shall know that we have attained the spirit of truth, the consciouness of truth, which is the Word of God and is power. Anyone with a sufficient desire for a realization of God will guarantee it.

[Keep in mind Joel S. Goldsmith's book was called Practicing The Presence and that another phrase he used (and a book by that same name) was called The Infinite Way.]

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/Wle6bykppIc/SjghdLsP_t8J

... continuing from earlier post

TKTE - p. 41

"It is possible to know all the truth found in the letter of truth and still be the branch that withers away, unless we live so completely in the Word and let this Word live in us so that the Very Spirit dwells in us-the Spirit of God in man. No man is devoid of It, but most of us are as unaware of It as we are of the blood coursing through our veins. God is with us, God's presence fills all space, the Spirit of God dwells in us. But how many have felt that presence? It is talked about, prayed for, theorized over, and sermonized about; but It is not experienced! It is the conscious awareness, the actual feeling or realization of the Presence, which is necessary."

PTP - pp. 21-22

It is possible to know all the truth found in the letter of truth and still be a branch that withereth, until we so abide in the Word and let this Word abide in us that the very Spirit of God. There is a Spirit in man. There actually is a Spirit - the Spirit of God in man. No man is devoid of it, but most of us are as unaware of it as we are of the blood coursing through our bodies. God is with us. God's presence fills all space; the Spirit of God dwells in us. But how many people have felt that Presence? It is talked about, prayed about, theorized about, and sermonized about; but It is not experienced. It is the conscious awareness, the actual feeling or realization of the Presence which is necessary.

TKTE - p. 41

"In most religious teachings, we are told that God is everywhere, but this is not true in the sense of prevalence. If the Spirit of God were everywhere, all persons would be free, healthy, wealthy, independent, joyous, and harmonious. The Spirit of God is present only where It is Realized. This is why we are all trying to become channels for Spirit."

PTP - p. 22

In most religious teachings, we are told that the Spirit God is everywhere, but that is not true. If the Spirit of the Lord were everywhere, everybody would be free, healthy, wealthy, independent, joyous, and harmonious. No. the Spirit of the Lord is present only where it is realized.

TKTE - p. 41

"Unless we feel the actual presence of God, then as far as we are concerned, we do not have the realization of this Spirit. It is like electricity (which is everywhere, just as the Spirit of God is), but electricity is of little use or value to anyone unless it is connected in some way for a particular use. So it is with the Spirit of God. It is everywhere in an absolute, spiritual sense, but It is only effective in our experience to the extent to which It is realized."

PTP - p. 22-23

Unless we feel the actual presence of God, then, as far as we are concerned, we do not have this Spirit. Again, it is a case of rolling up the window shades, or it is like saying that electricity is everywhere. That is true. Electricity is everywhere just as the Spirit of God is everywhere. Electricity, however, will be of no value to us, unless it is connected in some way for our particular use. So it is with this Spirit of God. It is everywhere, in an absolute, spiritual sense, but It is only effective in our experience to the extent to which It is realized.

TKTE - pp. 41-42

"Anyone following the path of ECKANKAR cannot go through a day satisfied that he has read some truth in the morning or that he is going to hear some truth in the afternoon or evening. There must be a conscious realization of truth going on all the time. This does not mean he is going to neglect his human duties and activities. It means that he is going to train himself to have some area in his consciousness always active in truth. Whether we look at the forms of nature as trees, flowers, or oceans, or whether we are meeting people, we find some measure of God in each experience. We train ourselves to behold the presence and activity of God in everything around us and live within the Word."

PTP - p. 23

The student of spiritual wisdom cannot go through his day, satisfied that he has read some truth in the morning, or that he is going to hear some truth in the afternoon or evening. There must be a conscious activity of truth going on all the time. That does not mean that we neglect our human duties and activities; it means that we train himself to have some area of consciousness always active in truth. Whether we look out at forms of nature such as trees, flowers, or oceans, or whether we are meeting people, we find some measure of God in each experience. We train ourselves to behold the presence and activity of God in everything around us and to abide in the Word.

TKTE - p. 42

"So it is important to learn all that we can about the correct letter of truth, to understand every principle and then to practice these principles until we go from an intellectual knowledge to an inner awareness of them. We build our foundation on specific principles. Some of these principles are found in all scriptures, but mainly in the Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad, the Way of the Eternal."

PTP - pp. 23-24

It is important to learn all that we can about the correct letter of truth, to understand every principle, and then to practice these principles until we go from an intellectual knowledge to an inner awareness of them. We build our foundation on specific principles. Some of these principles are found in scripture: Christian, Hebrew, and Oriental. Some of them are not found in any written form, but nevertheless, they are known to all the mystics of the world. The further we go in this work, the more necessary it is that we know every one of these principles. They are the foundation of our understanding and they must become so much a part of us that when we are faced with a problem, we do not have to think consciously of any of them.

TKTE - p. 41

"The deeper we go into this work, the more necessary it is that we know every one of these principles. They are the foundation of our understanding, and they must become so much a part of us that when we are faced with a problem we do not have to consciously think of them.
"Someday I will give these principles to you for publication. An understanding of the principles of spiritual living - that is, a knowledge of the correct letter of truth - is necessary. That is the foundation upon which we build, so that we understand where we are going and why, and what our relationship is to God. It is necessary that we know these things so that we do not stumble in a blind faith that at some time or another may desert us. We need to know the correct letter of truth so that we do not find ourselves in a state of mental chaos, relying on one thing today and another tomorrow, never coming to an understanding of God - the nature and character of God, the nature of God's law, and the nature of God's being."

PTP - p. 25

An understanding of the principles of spiritual living, that is, a knowledge of the correct letter of truth, is necessary. That is the foundation upon which we build, so that we understand where we are going and why, and what our relationship to God and our fellowman is. It is necessary that we know these things so that we do not stumble into a blind faith that at some time or another may desert us. We need to know the correct letter of truth in order that we do not find ourselves in a state of mental chaos, relying on one thing today and on another tomorrow, never coming to an understanding of that which is. A spiritual life cannot be built without an understanding of God - the nature and character of God, the nature of God's law, and the nature of God's being.

TKTE - p. 42

"It is possible for anyone to change the trend of his life, not by hearing or reading truth, but by making it an active part of his consciousness in daily experience, until it becomes a habit every moment of the day, instead of an occasional thought. Let God operate in the consciousness morning, noon, and night until the actual awareness comes gradually. Then we make the transition from being hearers of the Word to being doers of the Word. Then we shall be living in the world and shall gather in the harvest of Souls."

PTP - p. 26

It is possible for anyone to change the trend of his life, not by hearing or reading truth, but by making it an active part of his consciousness in daily experience, until it becomes a habit every moment of the day, instead of an occasional thought. Let these principles operate in the consciousness morning, noon, and night, until gradually the actual awareness comes. Then we make the transition from being hearers of the Word to being doers of the Word. Then we shall be abiding in the Word and shall bear fruit richly. [... .]

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OK that's about the best I can do right now for the similarities between Twitchell and Goldsmith that I've found so far. I have them all in a different format, and where the paragraphs are not broken up, that might be possible to share in the future. I also have examples from the other authors listed on this thread. Bear in mind I am still researching Paul Twitchell's book The Key to Eckankar and may not have found all similarities (near and exact) to date when the book (or what Rebazar Tarzs reportedly said) is compared with other authors and their books. Most of them copyrighted.

There is also Harold Klemp's Introduction for the 2003 version of TKTE that I want to append to this thread. Along with what he had to say about Rebazar Tarzs.

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/Wle6bykppIc/v_i6BDdTBjkJ

"Spiritual consciousness is attained through the activity of truth in consciousness. Dwelling on scriptural quotations or statements of truth helps to spiritualize thought. The more truth we read and hear, the more truth is active in our consciousness. We learn to abide in the world by putting truth into ourselves. This is the first step on the way to God."

Based on: The Key to Eckankar - Twitchell

"Spiritual consciousness is attained through the activity of truth in consciousness. Dwelling on scriptural quotations or statements of truth helps to spiritualize thought. The more truth that we read and hear, the more active is truth in our consciousness. Thus we learn to abide in the Word. This is the first step on the Way."

Based on: Practicing The Presence - Goldsmith

[Note: Goldsmith says: "Thus we learn to abide in the Word." where Eckankar says: "We learn to abide in the world ... ." Typo???]

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/nD2iq5AOBzc/4T8Ss0btEFEJ

Paul Twitchell and Harold Klemp both made remarks about Rebazar Tarzs. Paul, reportedly taking down Rebazar's dictation and Harold Klemp further remarking about

(1) the "conversation" "His [Rebazar Tarzs'] conversation with Paul ..."]

and

(2) the "dialogue" ["... the dialogue between Rebazar Tarzs and Paul ... ."]

and Harold also (in some respects)

(3) attempting to explain what Rebazar Tarzs meant.

On this newsgroup (and in so many words) it was suggested, even stated, that plagiarisms do not discount the verity of Eck Masters. Iow, that plagiarisms (by the founder of Eckankar, that were not exactly words from Eck Masters, but rather words copied from library books and credited to certain Eck Masters, etc.) have as if nothing to do with whether Eck Masters are real, or not. It almost looks to me as if some people would rather like to sweep the study and illustration for a "growing list" of plagiarisms out of the way and off of this newsgroup. Although this action is not entirely certain, what is certain are the number of personal "attacks" and ridicule, etc. of those choosing to bring up and maintain a discussion and deeper study of this topic.

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/ejywO-s5UaM/UlUBm0gpBwAJ

[Tisra Til]

I like the Tibetan Buddhist mantra OM MANI PADME HUM. Been chanting that for years and years. Years before I discovered Eckankar.
If you stretch OM to AUM, the HU sound is there as the AH fades into UM. So HU, the subtle, is contained in that word for the divine spirit, realm, self. But the AH opens the consciousness, not HU.

[Kinpa]

On Saturday, July 16, 2016 at 3:38:41 PM UTC, Tisra Til wrote:
> I like the Tibetan Buddhist mantra OM MANI PADME HUM. Been chanting that for years and years. Years before I discovered Eckankar.
> If you stretch OM to AUM, the HU sound is there as the AH fades into UM. So HU, the subtle, is contained in that word for the divine spirit, realm, self. But the AH opens the consciousness, not HU.

World history disagrees with you...since the Germanic "ghu" and the Sanskrit "hu" is the oldest word for God known to humanity...history also shows that the Kurds (white Aryans) called their Godhead HU 7000 years ago, a tradition that is STILL being told by word of mouth to every new generation...of course these were the same group that Zarathustra was in the line of, and who eventually conquered their way into India....look it up! All true, and not simply because I find it convenient...but I bet you will have a problem admitting any such thing due to your pride....look on Amazon about books relating to the histories of the Kurds, there are many...and btw, there is no OM that is a Westernization of the original Indian AUM...do the research....feel free to look at the Oxford English Dictionary as to the origins of the English word God....pretty self-explanatory, despite the fact that you don't agree with what it says.

[Tisra Til]

"The sound HU becomes limited in the word "ham", for the letter "m" closes the lips. In Hindustani this word expresses limitation because ham means "I" or "we," both of which words signify ego. The word "hamsa" is the sacred word of the yogis which illumines the ego with the light of reality. The word "huma" in the Persian language stands for a fabulous bird. There is a belief that if the "huma" bird sits for a moment on someone's head it is a sign that he will become a king. Its true meaning is that when a person's thoughts so evolve that they break all limitation, then he becomes as a king. It is the limitation of language that it can only describe the Most High as something like a king. It is said in the old traditions that Zoroaster was born of a "huma" tree. This explains the words in the Bible, "Except a man be born of water and the spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God." In the word "huma", "hu" represents spirit, and the word "mah" in Arabic means water. In English the word "human " explains two facts which are characteristic of humanity: "hu" means God and "man" means mind, which word comes from the Sanskrit "mana", mind being the ordinary person. The two words united represent the idea of the God-conscious person; in other words HU, God, is in all things and beings, but it is man by whom He is known. "Human " therefore may be said to mean God-conscious, God-realized, or God-man. The word "hamd" means praise, "hamid", praiseworthy, and "Muhammad", praiseful. The name of the Prophet of Islam was significant of his attitude to God." http://www.sourcetext.com/hupage/Sufi/sufi0.html

Some nice borrowing the T(witch) did...

[Kinpa]

Feel free to take that up with him...

[Kinpa]

Unless you prefer talking about a deceased person that cannot answer you back...seems rather cowardly, because by NOT addressing him directly, you will never have to hear any answer on the issue...didn't you yourself recently say that one need not leave the body at all to communicate with God? Then prove that, communicate with God directly, and then speak to Paul Twitchell directly rather than taking the cowardly approach of posting at a newsgroup where you never have to withstand any criticism....like the other two here...not very creative or intelligent doing things that way...and don't bother responding to me, unless you want to demonstrate your cowardice to the world, because responding to me is to merely avoid the idea presented...if you respond I will consider you too scared to try things the other way....

[Tisra Til]

On Saturday, July 16, 2016 at 10:38:41 AM UTC-5, Tisra Til wrote:
> I like the Tibetan Buddhist mantra OM MANI PADME HUM. Been chanting that for years and years. Years before I discovered Eckankar.
> If you stretch OM to AUM, the HU sound is there as the AH fades into UM. So HU, the subtle, is contained in that word for the divine spirit, realm, self. But the AH opens the consciousness, not HU.

From: http://vedanta.org/vedanta-overview/glossary-of-sanskrit-terms/

Brahman; The absolute Reality, the Unity of all that exists, the formless, attributeless Godhead. AH

Ishvara: The personal aspect of God; God with attributes. AH

Atman: The divine Spirit in man, the Self which is one with Brahman, the all-pervading divine existence, the Ground of the universe. AH

Raja yoga: Literally the “royal yoga,” raja yoga is the path of meditation. It is the spiritual path by which one attains union with the Absolute through control of internal and external forces. AH

Samadhi: The superconscious state in which one experiences one’s identity with the ultimate Reality.

Bhagavad Gita: Literally the “Song of God,” the Gita is one of the most revered scriptures of Hinduism, and consists of 700 verses. AH One of the best (if not the best ;) treatises on the nature of Self and God realization.

Mantra: The sacred name of God given by the guru to the disciple. Repetition of the mantra is japa. AH

Guna: Lit., “quality.” In Hindu philosophy there are three gunas which constitute prakriti, or nature: sattva, rajas, and tamas. Tamas is characterized by dullness, stupidity, inertia; rajas by activity, restlessness, and passion; sattva by calmness, purity, and wisdom. These three qualities are found in varying proportions in the external world and in all created beings.

Avatar: An incarnation of God. AH

Mahamaya: The Mother of the universe, the divine will. Mahamaya veils our vision of Brahman, the absolute Reality. Yet through her grace, she rends this veil, allowing us to realize the identity of the Atman with Brahman.

Bhagavad Gita: Literally the “Song of God,” the Gita is one of the most revered scriptures of Hinduism, and consists of 700 verses. AH One of the best (if not the best ;) treatises on the nature of Self and God realization.

Guna: Lit., “quality.” In Hindu philosophy there are three gunas which constitute prakriti, or nature: sattva, rajas, and tamas. Tamas is characterized by dullness, stupidity, inertia; rajas by activity, restlessness, and passion; sattva by calmness, purity, and wisdom. These three qualities are found in varying proportions in the external world and in all created beings. AH

Kali: One of the aspects of the Divine Mother of the universe. Kali was Ramakrishna’s Chosen Ideal, and he worshiped her image at the Dakshineswar temple for many years. Kali is usually shown standing on the chest of her consort, Shiva. Around her waist she wears a garland of human arms, and around her neck a garland of human heads. She has four arms: the lower left hand holds a human head, her upper hand grips a saber. With one right hand she offers boons to her children, and with the other she makes the sign that dispels fear. She deals out death as she creates and preserves. Kali destroys ignorance, preserves world order, and gives blessings and liberation to those who earnestly seek it. While Shiva represents the Absolute, Kali represents the dynamic, or relative aspect of the Supreme Reality. Quite a bit different characterization than the Eck. Kal

AHH HAAA! said the wise man.

[Kinpa]

Way to avoid the point LOL....scared???

[Kinpa]

On Saturday, July 16, 2016 at 6:52:04 PM UTC, Tisra Til wrote:

And ty for confirming that you ARE scared to contact Sri Paul Twitchell directly, much less God by whatever name...your rantings are not worth my time any longer...have a glorious day just the same!

[Tisra Til]

> > Feel free to take that up with him...
>
> Unless you prefer talking about a deceased person that cannot answer you back...seems rather cowardly, because by NOT addressing him directly, you will never have to hear any answer on the issue...didn't you yourself recently say that one need not leave the body at all to communicate with God? Then prove that, communicate with God directly, and then speak to Paul Twitchell directly rather than taking the cowardly approach of posting at a newsgroup where you never have to withstand any criticism....like the other two here...not very creative or intelligent doing things that way...and don't bother responding to me, unless you want to demonstrate your cowardice to the world, because responding to me is to merely avoid the idea presented...if you respond I will consider you too scared to try things the other way....

Oh God, you really are full of yourself (and yes, I did invoke God, you silly bonehead). They must have been running on fumes when they got around to passing out brains in your case. You have no idea what you're talking about. Etznab has been incredibly nice and patient dealing with you. Me, I don't give a flying f%ck what you think of me or anyone. You really need to put the crack pipe down at least one hour a day. And quit talking out of your rat infested a-hole; your favorite orifice, I'm sure.

[Kinpa]

What is the issue with your nose??? Invoking means nothing...COMMUNICATING goes FAR beyond invoking you fool...like I said, stop being so dependent on your crutch of plagiarism, without it you all fall flat on your faces...go communicate with the Godhead, I dont care what name you call IT LOL...and btw, I am 100% sober and have been for thirty years....now, run along child...and be afraid of the evidences that agree with Sri Paul Twitchell and remain in denial, which is NOT a river in Egypt...You mean Richard McLintock?? Why not say his real name? He is not my concern and I require no patience from him...he like your buddy has not a single idea that is his own...nothing like plagiarizing the ideas of others to move along with...have a great day anyhow, in the Name of the Sugmad, the ECK, and the Mahanta~!!! Where there is Love,there can be no fear...

[Tisra Til]

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Like I said, lay off the crack pipe and come out of your cave for a reality of a different odor. Stop relying on the Islamic-Hindu knockoff (and a poor knockoff at that). Can you say 'syncretism?' Look into it. That will unveil many mysteries.

[Tisra Til]

On Saturday, July 16, 2016 at 10:38:41 AM UTC-5, Tisra Til wrote:

> I like the Tibetan Buddhist mantra OM MANI PADME HUM. Been chanting that for years and years. Years before I discovered Eckankar.
> If you stretch OM to AUM, the HU sound is there as the AH fades into UM. So HU, the subtle, is contained in that word for the divine spirit, realm, self. But the AH opens the consciousness, not HU.

And I might add:

The mantra originated in India; as it moved from India into Tibet, the pronunciation changed because some of the sounds in the Indian Sanskrit language were hard for Tibetans to pronounce.




Sanskrit
form
Om Mani Padma Hum
mantra of Avalokiteshvara

Tibetan
form
Om Mani Peme Hung
mantra of Chenrezig


The True Sound of Truth

An old story speaks about a similar problem. A devoted meditator, after years concentrating on a particular mantra, had attained enough insight to begin teaching. The student's humility was far from perfect, but the teachers at the monastery were not worried.

A few years of successful teaching left the meditator with no thoughts about learning from anyone; but upon hearing about a famous hermit living nearby, the opportunity was too exciting to be passed up.

The hermit lived alone on an island at the middle of a lake, so the meditator hired a man with a boat to row across to the island. The meditator was very respectful of the old hermit. As they shared some tea made with herbs the meditator asked him about his spiritual practice. The old man said he had no spiritual practice, except for a mantra which he repeated all the time to himself. The meditator was pleased: the hermit was using the same mantra he used himself -- but when the hermit spoke the mantra aloud, the meditator was horrified!

"What's wrong?" asked the hermit.

"I don't know what to say. I'm afraid you've wasted your whole life! You are pronouncing the mantra incorrectly!"

"Oh, Dear! That is terrible. How should I say it?"

The meditator gave the correct pronunciation, and the old hermit was very grateful, asking to be left alone so he could get started right away. On the way back across the lake the meditator, now confirmed as an accomplished teacher, was pondering the sad fate of the hermit.

"It's so fortunate that I came along. At least he will have a little time to practice correctly before he dies." Just then, the meditator noticed that the boatman was looking quite shocked, and turned to see the hermit standing respectfully on the water, next to the boat.

"Excuse me, please. I hate to bother you, but I've forgotten the correct pronunciation again. Would you please repeat it for me?"

"You obviously don't need it," stammered the meditator; but the old man persisted in his polite request until the meditator relented and told him again the way he thought the mantra should be pronounced.

The old hermit was saying the mantra very carefully, slowly, over and over, as he walked across the surface of the water back to the island.

http://www.dharma-haven.org/tibetan/meaning-of-om-mani-padme-hung.htm

[Etznab]

On Saturday, July 16, 2016 at 10:38:41 AM UTC-5, Tisra Til wrote:

> I like the Tibetan Buddhist mantra OM MANI PADME HUM. Been chanting that for years and years. Years before I discovered Eckankar.
> If you stretch OM to AUM, the HU sound is there as the AH fades into UM. So HU, the subtle, is contained in that word for the divine spirit, realm, self. But the AH opens the consciousness, not HU.

Paul once mentioned a connection between AUM (or OM) and HU. I think it was mentioned on a Yahoo website, but should be in the archives here as well.

[Etznab]

On Saturday, July 16, 2016 at 11:50:34 AM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:

And what does the sanskrit "hu" mean? Have you looked at a Sanskrit dictionary and what it says?

[Etznab]

Go to the following website and choose options search all dictionaries for prefix hu. Then page search for the word "invoke".

http://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/scans/MWScan/tamil/index.html

In India "hu" was evidently chanted as a method for invoking God ... and during sacrifices.

[Kinpa]

But Sanskrit and hu are not Indian in origin....that was brought by the Aryans...why do you leave these details out of the history you repeat?? And, the Sanskrit is NOT necessarily any older than the Germanic origins of the same word, in fact etymologists have never been able to agree about which predates the other...but this is all commonly known info easy to find anywhere...

[Henosis Sage]

On Sunday, 17 July 2016 08:37:42 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:
"But Sanskrit and hu are not Indian in origin....that was brought by the Aryans...why do you leave these details out of the history you repeat?? And, the Sanskrit is NOT necessarily any older than the Germanic origins of the same word, in fact etymologists have never been able to agree about which predates the other...but this is all commonly known info easy to find anywhere..."

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There is no direct evidence of PIE, and no evidence suggesting it was ever
written. Linguists have reconstructed all PIE sounds and words from later
Indo-European languages using the comparative method and internal
reconstruction.

Proto-Indo-European (PIE) is the linguistic reconstruction of the common
ancestor of the Indo-European languages. PIE was the first proposed proto
-language to be widely accepted by linguists.

Theories are theories, and they are useful, then new more advanced sciences
come along and use new techniques to confirm or deny those prior theories.

FOR EXAMPLE
A prehistory of Indian Y chromosomes: Evaluating demic diffusion scenarios
Conclusions
It is not necessary, based on the current evidence, to look beyond South Asia for the origins of the paternal heritage of the majority of Indians at the time of the onset of settled agriculture. The perennial concept of people, language, and agriculture arriving to India together through the northwest corridor does not hold up to close scrutiny. Recent claims for a linkage of haplogroups J2, L, R1a, and R2 with a contemporaneous origin for the majority of the Indian castes' paternal lineages from outside the subcontinent are rejected, although our findings do support a local origin of haplogroups F* and H. Of the others, only J2 indicates an unambiguous recent external contribution, from West Asia rather than Central Asia.

http://www.pnas.org/content/103/4/843.full

and other snippets

Archaeological evidence advocates the settlement of India by modern humans, using Middle Palaeolithic tools, during the Late Pleistocene (1–5). The large number of deep-rooting, Indian-specific mtDNA lineages of macro haplogroups M and N, whose presence cannot be explained by a recent introduction from neighboring regions (6), is consistent with the archaeological data. These two lines of evidence suggest that the initial settlement, followed by local differentiation, has left a predominantly Late Pleistocene genetic signature in the maternal heritage of India (7–11).

The initial settlement of South Asia, between 40,000 and 70,000 years ago, was most likely over the southern route from Africa because haplogroup M, which is the most frequent mtDNA component in India, is virtually absent in the Near East and Southwest Asia (6, 11–14).

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The present study significantly increases the available sample size for India by typing 936 individuals from 77 populations, representing all four major linguistic groups (Fig. 1). The increased range of informative SNPs typed permits more detailed resolution of geographic patterns and the identification of some region-specific subsets of lineages.

These Y chromosomes are analyzed in the context of available data from West Asia, East Asia, Southeast Asia, Central Asia, Europe, the Near East, and Ethiopia. Measures of genetic distance, admixture, and factor analysis drawn from the Y-chromosome data are used to investigate three themes central to population genetics in India: demographic links to West and Central Asia, the genetic relationship between castes and tribes, and geographic versus linguistic grouping for the current populations of the Indian subcontinent.

http://www.pnas.org/content/103/4/843/F1.large.jpg

Similarly, the proposition that a high frequency of R1a in India is caused by admixture with populations of Central Asian origin is difficult to substantiate, as the proposed source region does not meet the expectation of containing high frequencies of the other components of haplogroup R, with no examples of R* and generally low incidence of R2, which, unlike J2, does not show evidence of a recent diffusion throughout India from the northwest.

Second, it is notable that the results from the ADMIX2 program gave relatively high reciprocal admixture (0.3–0.35) proportions for Northwest Indian and Central Asian populations, despite the incompatibility of the respective haplogroup frequency pools; our Northwest Indian sample totally lacks haplogroups C3, DE, J*, I, G, N, and O, which cover almost half of the Central Asian Y chromosomes, whereas the Central Asian sample is poor in haplogroups C*, F*, H, L, and R2 (with a combined frequency of 10%).

Hence, the admixture proportions are driven solely by the shared high frequency of R1a. In other words, if the source of R1a variation in India comes from Central Asia, as claimed by Wells et al. (18) and Cordaux et al. (19), then, under a recent gene flow scenario, one would expect to find the other Central Asian-derived NRY haplogroups (C3, DE, J*, I, G, N, O) in Northwest India at similarly elevated frequencies, BUT THAT IS NOT THE CASE.

AND BLAH BLAH BLAH ... I have zero expectations that Matt Sharpe has the
mental capacity or acuity to parse the content of this scientific tech paper
into meaningful knowledge for himself or others.

The Indo-Aryan migration theory ........ is still a theory not confirmed fact.

Proto-Indo-European (PIE) is the linguistic RECONSTRUCTION of the common
ancestor of the Indo-European languages. PIE was the first proposed proto
-language to be widely accepted by linguists.

Yes it is widely accepted, .............. however it is still a theory....

There are Language and LINGUISTIC similarities across peoples and language
groups that are known to be geographically and GENETICALLY permanently
disconnected in the past when those languages developed.

Which has all but proven LINGUISTICS are primarialy driven by shared HUMAN ATTRIBUTES in COGNITIVE processes and PSYCHOLOGY and not connected cultures or languages being hsred across cultures.

Of course all these matter still tend ot be stuck at a theory conjecture stage,
as the arrival of any substantial physical evidence is nigh on impossible one
would think.

And so much of this research remains in the CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE stage,
except for the more advanced mDNA Genetic studies that have been going on the
last 2 decades.

Circumstantial evidence is one thing .... leaps to ASSUMPTION based on 'flaky
discredited evidence' is a totally different animal, usually driven by strong
Beliefs and Cognitive Dissonance that refuses to look at more recent evidence
and the PROLIFIC advances in science and technology.

(shrug)

THis is where I get told I'm dismissed ... but that too has NO EFFECT upon
the known SCIENCE and what it clearly says is or isn't the case and WHY.

[Henosis Sage]

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Lots of times the word OM is actually HU--OOOO-
MMMMMM.

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/JKPmt3msshE/zjjswu-NSAgJ

[Henosis Sage]

On Sunday, 17 July 2016 01:38:41 UTC+10, Tisra Til wrote:
> I like the Tibetan Buddhist mantra OM MANI PADME HUM. Been chanting that for years and years. Years before I discovered Eckankar.
> If you stretch OM to AUM, the HU sound is there as the AH fades into UM. So HU, the subtle, is contained in that word for the divine spirit, realm, self. But the AH opens the consciousness, not HU.

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HI TT

fyi quotes from Twitch in '66 (he passing on others info of course)

"Lots of times the word OM is actually HU--OOOO-MMMMMM."

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/JKPmt3msshE/zjjswu-NSAgJ

An odd thing happened ... the HUUUU--OOOOO-UUUU-MMMMM came to me via the
"inner" during a HU chant... when I did it myself in the moment the
intensity changed (hard to explain)

several years later, maybe 5, I found this HU-OO-MMM info on ESA from Twitchell.

And not long before that I had found the earlier texts where Twitch. ONLY
ever spoke about AUM and not the HU .... when things became more "established"
circa 1968 onward he totally dropped the AUM, replaced those TEXTS with the HU and added in the Hazrat Khan info with the HU, without mentioning him of course.

It's a bit complex with many details across time .... but when people today
talk about the HU and it's centrality in Eckankar that was NOT always the case.

cheers

[Tisra Til]

And we have here Brahman as expansion, growth, development, evolution. And the identity of Atman (I Am, Self, Spirit) with Brahman. The Supreme Identity, as expressed in the B(AH)gavad Gita. This Supreme Identity transcends the duality of Self and Other. The Nondual. As expressed in the Hsin Hsin Ming (verses on the faith mind - Zen Buddhism); 'To come directly into harmony with this reality, just simply say when doubt arises, "not two". In this "not two" nothing is separate, nothing is excluded. To live in this faith is the road to nonduality, because the nondual is one with the trusting mind.'

1 brahman n. (lit. `" growth "' , `" expansion "' , `" evolution "' , `" development "' `" swelling of the spirit or soul "' , fr. 2. %{bRh}) pious effusion or utterance , outpouring of the heart in worshipping the gods , prayer RV. AV. VS. TS. ; the sacred word (as opp. to %{vAc} , the word of man) , the Veda , a sacred text , a text or Mantra used as a spell (forming a distinct class from the %{Rcas} , %{sAmAni} and %{yajUMSi} ; cf. %{brahma-veda}) RV. AV. Br. Mn. Pur. ; the Bra1hman2a portion of the Veda Mn. iv , 100 ; the sacred syllable Om Prab. , Sch , (cf. Mn. ii , 83) ; religious or spiritual knowledge (opp. to religious observances and bodily mortification such as %{tapas} &c.) AV. Br. Mn. R. ; holy life (esp. continence , chastity ; cf. %{brahma-carya}) S3ak.i , 24/25 S3am2k. Sarvad. ; (exceptionally treated as m.) the Brahma8 or one selfexistent impersonal Spirit , the one universal Soul (or one divine essence and source from which all created things emanate or with which they are identified and to which they return) , the Self-existent , the Absolute , the Eternal (not generally an object of worship but rather of meditation and-knowledge [738,1] ; also with %{jye4STha} , %{prathama-ja4} , %{svayo4m-bhu} , %{a-mUrta} , %{para} , %{paratara} , %{parama} , %{mahat} , %{sanAtana} , %{zAzvata} ; and = %{paramA7tman} , %{Atman} , %{adhyAtma} , %{pradhAna} , %{kSetra-jJa} , %{tattva}) AV. S3Br. Mn. MBh. &c. (IW. 9 , 83 &c ,) ; n. the class of men who are the repositories and communicators of sacred knowledge , the Bra1hmanical caste as a body (rarely an individual Bra1hman) AV. TS. VS. S3Br. Mn. BhP. ; food Naigh. ii , 7 ; wealth ib. 10 ; final emancipation L. ; m. (%{brahma4n}) , one who Prays , a devot or religious man , a Bra1hman who is a knower of Vedic texts or spells , one versed in sacred knowledge RV. &c. &c. [cf. Lat. , {fla1men}] ; N. of Br2ihas-pati (as the priest of the gods) RV. x , 141 , 3 ; one of the 4 principal priests or R2itvijas (the other three being the Hotr2i , Adhvaryu and Udga1tr2i ; the Brahman was the most learned of them and was required to know the 3 Vedas , to supervise the , sacrifice and to set right mistakes ; at a later period his functions were based especially on the Atharva-veda) RV. &c. &c. ; Brahma1 or the one impersonal universal Spirit manifested as a personal Creator and as the first of the triad of personal gods (= %{prajA-pati} q.v. ; he never appears to have become an object of general worship , though he has two temples in India see RTL. 555 &c. ; his wife is Sarasvati1 ib. 48) TBr. &c. &c , ; = %{brahmaNa@AyuH} ,

[Henosis Sage]

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MATT PROCLAIMS:

" ...LOOK IT UP! All true, and not simply because I find it convenient...but

I bet you will have a problem admitting any such thing due to your pride....

look on AMAZON about BOOKS relating to the histories of the Kurds, there are
many.."


Kinpa also says:
"...but it IS funny that so many here these days try to use BOOKS as their
only evidence...as if a BOOK can make them correct...it cannot...so using
books in such a way, especially in an EGOIC attempt at any sort of revenge,
can only FAIL...and it does, every single time without exception..."

Of course NONE of this would matter if Paul Twitchell hadn't copied the RAMA
myth from Eduord Schure in his Great Initiates BOOK.

The story that says RAMA and his 'Aryan' people traveled from Germany south
east to India in the Dawn of time ..... post-Atlantis period places it circa
post-10,000 BCE.

That RAMA was a great ECK master ... and is NOT the same Hindu Rama found in
Vedic literature.

That Rama then traveled west to Persia and brought them the Zoroastrian
religion, later returning to India. where he eventually died.

I am not sure where Schure came to his ideas about RAMA in the context of his
The Great initiates book. But I do know he was connected to Blavatsky's Theosophy, and probable had Freemasonry connections too.

Ideas about Atlantis were first recorded by the Greeks 500BC .. but those were
more about islands in the Mediterranean and not on the middle of the oceans.

Theosophy also brought the idea of Root Races, most from outer space or other
planets (eg Venus and Gakko the LEM there) was also integrated in Twitchell's
writings and cosmology.

It's curious spoke about this "unique" Eckankar RAMA vs the Hindu Rama the last
day of his life.
See from page 4
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-M0yAR0UPhPNU1Ja042MVVzcHc/view?usp=sharing


He also spoke about the California Parapsychology Foundation CPF where he gave
his first "lectures" on Eckankar in 1965, only later to be outed by the owner
there to Kirpal Singh for using Kirpal's own teachings and texts in Eckankar.

How poignant to be speaking of that (plagiarism and copying from others) and
being accused of "lifting others works to his own ends" the day he died.

See Page 2 ... parapsychology group in SAN DIEGO and the WOMAN he ignored who
then wrote to Kirpal Singh and then he wrote to his RUHANI SATSANG USA about it,
and they published that info in their Newsletters circa early-mid 1966.

They already knew all about Twitchell the prior Ruhani Initiate now a Radha
Soami APOSTATE and teacher of Eckankar

.... a misspelling of Ekankar, a commonly used RS Ruhani Sikh Hindu TERM.

also check ...
PT IMPRESSIONS AND CORRECTIONS - 17 SEPT 1971

"Now, a lot of the impressions that I first set out in my first work, I'm having to go

back and redo these things and try to correct them.

And I'm like the fellow who felt his way along in a college course and they told him

he had to write a book in order to keep in the work, and he didn't know what to

say and he had to go, and he had to do something, and when he did, he got it all

wrong.

And by getting it all wrong, ten years from there, he had to go back and correct

his book and rewrite it, and nobody believed him because they were believing the

first impression of what he made.

And this is the position I'm in."

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-M0yAR0UPhPVHdDaDNfRWNBSFE/view?usp=sharing

[Tisra Til]

I like the whole Venus connection. There could be something in to that. That's what was heard around the edges of Uranus anyway. ;D