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Etznab
Jun 17, 2016, 9:37:58 AM6/17/16
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How relevant is plagiarizing from multiple books and authors and then claiming their words came from other people? Like Eck Masters?
How relevant is selling books and information falsely claimed to have come from fictional characters?
Example after example has been provided. Doug Marman, Harold Klemp and others have, in so many words, admitted that Paul Twitchell took from other sources and many of the examples show plagiarism where the source individual was said to be an Eck Master, or Masters. So how relevant is that?
IMHO it is highly relevant that fiction was created and sold. That fiction was propagated. Moreover, it is highly relevant the number of people who insult and malign those who try and have tried to spread these truths.
What happens when the source of Rebazar Tarzs' words are found to be plagiarized material is that "that" Rebazar Tarzs NO LONGER EXISTS! Death of an ideal, plain and simple.
What happens when Paul Twitchell and Eckankar's edits reveal that the people in the books were pseudo names used to censor out the real contributors and those people who Twitchell first mentioned? The pseudo people DISAPPEAR!
Relevant is the fact that the truth has cut its way through the pseudo history and fiction. Rants from the likes of Kinpa and JR, along with their personal attacks and lies about those who show the truth, are evidence and testimony to the fact of WHY IT IS WRONG to sell fictions as literal truth.
How relevant is the fact that malicious falsehoods and lies, etc. are thrown at people, including active Eckankar members, because they tell the truth?
Likewise, How relevant that people are praised, adored and worshiped for making up lies?
This is something for the history books how Kinpa and JR have failed. How they have got things ass backwards for attacking truth and praising lies instead.
How many others are there like Kinpa and JR? They will be given no quarter in a.r.e. and I will wrap them in plagiarism example after plagiarism example until they come to admit how restricting and uncomfortable to wear and carry the burden of so many falsehoods. Maybe then they will come to unravel the ties that bind and get on board with the truth instead of bailing water from the sinking ship of pseudo history and religion.
How relevant is selling books and information falsely claimed to have come from fictional characters?
Example after example has been provided. Doug Marman, Harold Klemp and others have, in so many words, admitted that Paul Twitchell took from other sources and many of the examples show plagiarism where the source individual was said to be an Eck Master, or Masters. So how relevant is that?
IMHO it is highly relevant that fiction was created and sold. That fiction was propagated. Moreover, it is highly relevant the number of people who insult and malign those who try and have tried to spread these truths.
What happens when the source of Rebazar Tarzs' words are found to be plagiarized material is that "that" Rebazar Tarzs NO LONGER EXISTS! Death of an ideal, plain and simple.
What happens when Paul Twitchell and Eckankar's edits reveal that the people in the books were pseudo names used to censor out the real contributors and those people who Twitchell first mentioned? The pseudo people DISAPPEAR!
Relevant is the fact that the truth has cut its way through the pseudo history and fiction. Rants from the likes of Kinpa and JR, along with their personal attacks and lies about those who show the truth, are evidence and testimony to the fact of WHY IT IS WRONG to sell fictions as literal truth.
How relevant is the fact that malicious falsehoods and lies, etc. are thrown at people, including active Eckankar members, because they tell the truth?
Likewise, How relevant that people are praised, adored and worshiped for making up lies?
This is something for the history books how Kinpa and JR have failed. How they have got things ass backwards for attacking truth and praising lies instead.
How many others are there like Kinpa and JR? They will be given no quarter in a.r.e. and I will wrap them in plagiarism example after plagiarism example until they come to admit how restricting and uncomfortable to wear and carry the burden of so many falsehoods. Maybe then they will come to unravel the ties that bind and get on board with the truth instead of bailing water from the sinking ship of pseudo history and religion.
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Jun 17, 2016, 10:06:48 AM6/17/16
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On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 1:37:58 PM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> How relevant is plagiarizing from multiple books and authors and then claiming their words came from other people? Like Eck Masters?
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> How relevant is selling books and information falsely claimed to have come from fictional characters?
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> Example after example has been provided. Doug Marman, Harold Klemp and others have, in so many words, admitted that Paul Twitchell took from other sources and many of the examples show plagiarism where the source individual was said to be an Eck Master, or Masters. So how relevant is that?
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> How relevant is plagiarizing from multiple books and authors and then claiming their words came from other people? Like Eck Masters?
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> How relevant is selling books and information falsely claimed to have come from fictional characters?
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> Example after example has been provided. Doug Marman, Harold Klemp and others have, in so many words, admitted that Paul Twitchell took from other sources and many of the examples show plagiarism where the source individual was said to be an Eck Master, or Masters. So how relevant is that?
Not relevant at all, beyond plagiarism...you can assume anything you want to, but claiming it is proof of your assumption is just false and is a lie that you knowingly make time and time again....
> IMHO it is highly relevant that fiction was created and sold. That fiction was propagated. Moreover, it is highly relevant the number of people who insult and malign those who try and have tried to spread these truths.
You mean the way you and sean do to anyone who doesn't agree with you?? It makes you both look a whole lot less than smart, and your assumptions are NOT truth....
> What happens when the source of Rebazar Tarzs' words are found to be plagiarized material is that "that" Rebazar Tarzs NO LONGER EXISTS! Death of an ideal, plain and simple.
Not true, just your opinion, but not surprising since you have not been able to go within to find out for yourself....of course in your opinion, if there is no physical historical record of an individual, they are fictional...so all of the billions of humans throughout history that were never written about by anyone are suddenly fictional?? Does that mean that your mentioning of my name here make me a real person?? Rather amusing really...you think a lot of yourself don't you??
> What happens when Paul Twitchell and Eckankar's edits reveal that the people in the books were pseudo names used to censor out the real contributors and those people who Twitchell first mentioned? The pseudo people DISAPPEAR!
Except that none of them have disappeared....but hey, you go forth and follow your opinion, who needs direct evidence of anything anyhow right? Belief is all of the proof that you need...
> Relevant is the fact that the truth has cut its way through the pseudo history and fiction. Rants from the likes of Kinpa and JR, along with their personal attacks and lies about those who show the truth, are evidence and testimony to the fact of WHY IT IS WRONG to sell fictions as literal truth.
Aww stop crying....it is unfortunate that you have decided to speak my name....that will most certainly return to nest with you...enjoy!
> How relevant is the fact that malicious falsehoods and lies, etc. are thrown at people, including active Eckankar members, because they tell the truth?
You have proven not one thing a lie...that is just a claim you keep making without ever showing ANY evidence....
> Likewise, How relevant that people are praised, adored and worshiped for making up lies?
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> This is something for the history books how Kinpa and JR have failed. How they have got things ass backwards for attacking truth and praising lies instead.
Didn't I already talk about you and your beliefs? Enjoy those, but DO stop crying and whining, and while you're at it, show us your current membership card, and prove that you ARE an ECKist and I'll then retract saying that you aren't one...it seems extremely simple to me...
> How many others are there like Kinpa and JR? They will be given no quarter in a.r.e. and I will wrap them in plagiarism example after plagiarism example until they come to admit how restricting and uncomfortable to wear and carry the burden of so many falsehoods. Maybe then they will come to unravel the ties that bind and get on board with the truth instead of bailing water from the sinking ship of pseudo history and religion.
Aww you sound upset....perhaps you ought to try to get over it....and stop insisting that your assumptions are proven true when they are not....
Henosis Sage
Jun 17, 2016, 12:05:33 PM6/17/16
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BY Music of Spheres 2 days ago
I know a number of people who deeply loved Harold as I and gave great loyalty and practiced with great joy with all their hearts and total devotion. When they experienced out of body travel more deeply, to their shock Harold viciously attacked them with black magic in a way that shocked them horribly and deeply. It is very sad that he speaks of Love with such vigor and then secretly behind closed doors when No crowds are looking... he literally harms very loving and very spiritual people that I know including my loved ones.
I know over half a dozen people who have confided and told me Harold attacked them with black magic on the astral plane ripping their astral bodies, when they were doing their very best to be devoted chelas. I would never have believed it.. had he not attacked me so heartlessly in the astral world. Harold is Not a Loving person that he pretends to be, he is harmly spiritual people secretly and pretending to be Loving. Not everyone knows this because he does not a harm everyone, he only attacks those who have much deeper out of body experiences because they see and learn too much.
It wouldn't matter except people I Love deeply are being harmed by Harold.
SEE COMMENTS SECTION https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNc5osh-m2M
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Jun 17, 2016, 1:59:46 PM6/17/16
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Henosis Sage
Jun 17, 2016, 5:39:20 PM6/17/16
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"So which is it?"
For an answer you'll have to shimmy it over in your widdle soul body with your
Chariots of Light Force Network Shamans with Loni Haas sitting on your shoulders
and I'll explain it to you in a way you wankers might actually understand.
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Jun 17, 2016, 6:32:20 PM6/17/16
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Henosis Sage
Jun 17, 2016, 11:25:25 PM6/17/16
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Talk to the Mirror or talk to the Hand ... same outcome.
Kinpa
Jun 17, 2016, 11:34:25 PM6/17/16
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Henosis Sage
Jun 18, 2016, 12:46:19 AM6/18/16
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Henosis Sage
Jun 18, 2016, 8:38:39 AM6/18/16
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On Friday, 17 June 2016 23:37:58 UTC+10, Etznab wrote:
re: "Maybe then they will come to unravel the ties that bind and get on board with the truth"
as the song goes, from little things big things grow :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_ndC07C2qw
People simply do not understand it.
That plus good sense and reason is 98% Subconscious Metaphor in Frames and
Cultural / Group Narratives
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_CWBjyIERY
Try watching only the first 10 minutes of this video: George Lakoff,
“Retaking Political Discourse” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UseIJAIxR-4
For it clearly spells out what types of information are more or less effective.
The biggest myth and fundamental error made in communicating any truth or new idea is :
“If you tell people the facts they will all reason to the same right conclusion.”
That is 100% Wrong – it’s False – and science has proven this so.
The second biggest myth is that:
“Political (ideological religious philosophical science) communication is educating the public about their interests and the facts.”
That is wrong too. The same goes for educating politicians, economists, corporate, religious and society leaders.
The first 10 mins of the video basically explains why this is so.
For more details watch the rest of that video or others by Lakoff or read the mountains of cognitive science neuro-science literature on this subject from the last 30+ years.
iow the 'resistance is normal' as opposed to 'futile' <wink>
Here’s another example: Non-Violent Communication – Engaging with Corporations by Dr Marshall Rosenberg, Psychologist – https://youtu.be/dICYHQw3nP4
“NVC is one of the most useful processes you will ever learn.” William Ury, Getting to Yes: Negotiating Agreement Without Giving In
Imagine having the conflict resolution skills to defuse conflict right in the moment, whether with a boss, neighbor, spouse or even a complete stranger. What if you had the skills to clearly express what you want to co-workers or family in a way that strengthened your relationships rather than led to disconnect or resentment?
http://www.nonviolentcommunication.com/aboutnvc/conflictresolution.htm
It's a question of people getting their needs met, and not what the facts are.
iow the facts aka the truth about plagiarism and what was done and why it was done have fit inside a frame where people can still have hope and believe that they they will still get their needs met. If it sounds like they won't be met, then one confronts a wall of denial stronger than any dutch dyke.
imo HK took the road of least 'resistance' - and to be fair what else could he do besides go fishing? ;-)
Does it matter? and if it does the way will show itself and meet you half way.
Like all that research, if ya never ever go, you'll never ever know. hehehe
Henosis Sage
Jun 18, 2016, 8:54:03 AM6/18/16
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On Friday, 17 June 2016 23:37:58 UTC+10, Etznab wrote:
Oh, and a PS
Never let attention seeking idiots distract you off the path from what you know to be true. ;-)
Etznab
Jun 18, 2016, 12:21:59 PM6/18/16
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"Anyone following the path of ECKANKAR cannot go through a day satisfied that he has read some truth in the morning or that he is going to hear some truth in the afternoon or evening. There must be a conscious realization of truth going on all the time." [The Key to Eckankar]
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/iGrI8aNG0Dc/9-xAkCNiuTcJ
So truth is important.
"The student of spiritual wisdom cannot go through his day, satisfied that he has read some truth in the morning, or that he is going to hear some truth in the afternoon or evening. There must be a conscious activity of truth going on all the time. - Practicing the Presence
http://www.scribd.com/doc/82916572/Practicing-the-Presence-of-God-Joel-S-Goldsmith
"Anyone following the path of ECKANKAR cannot go through a day satisfied that he has read some truth in the morning or that he is going to hear some truth in the afternoon or evening. There must be a conscious realization of truth going on all the time." - The Key to Eckankar
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0KObtCQpPKbZDhiNjhkZmQtNjI5Yy00ZTZlLWJjZDYtYjY3Yzg1Y2I4Mzhj/edit
KTE - p. 40
"Spiritual consciousness is attained through the activity of truth in consciousness. Dwelling on scriptural quotations or statements of truth helps to spiritualize thought. The more truth we read and hear, the more truth is active in our consciousness. We learn to abide in the world by putting truth into ourselves. This is the first step on the way to God."
PTP - p. 20
Spiritual consciousness is attained through the activity of truth in consciousness. Dwelling on scriptural quotations or statements of truth helps to spiritualize thought. The more truth that we read and hear, the more active is truth in our consciousness. Thus we learn to abide in the Word. This is the first step on the Way.
TKTE - p. 40
"The second step cannot be taken unless the first step has been mastered, that is, knowing the letter of truth. All the years we spend in reading truth, attending services, lectures, and classes are fruitful in leading us to that point where inspiration flows from within our own being. This inspiration, however, usually comes only after a thorough grounding in the letter of truth."
PTP - p. 21
The second step, which leads to a state of consciousness where we are receptive and responsive to the still small voice, cannot be taken, however, unless the first step has been mastered, that is, knowing the letter of truth. All the years that a person has spent in reading truth, hearing truth, thinking truth, attending church services, lectures, or classes are fruitful in leading him to that point where inspiration flows from within his own being. This inspiration, however, usually comes only after a thorough grounding in the letter of truth.
TKTE - p. 40
"Yaubl Sacabi told me long ago, 'Let my spirit dwell in you. And so shall the SUGMAD be exalted so that you will bear the harvest of good deeds.'
"To live in this truth, to abide in the Word, is to bear the harvest of all things in the richest manner: that is, to live harmoniously in the spiritual senses. But if we forget to live in the Word, to abide in It, and let It live in us, we become as the branch of a tree that is cut off and withers away.
"How can we live in the Word if we do not know It? We must know the Truth. We must learn what the correct letter of truth is. Let us have a principle with which to work, and let us stand on this principle, until the moment comes when we feel that spiritual awareness within us is realized. Then we shall know that we have attained the spirit of truth, the consciousness of truth, which is the Word of the SUGMAD and is power. Anyone with a sufficient desire for a realization of God can achieve that realization - the grace of God will guarantee it.
PTP - p. 21
Jesus tells us to let "my words abide in you. ... Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit." To live in that truth, to abide in that Word, is to bear fruit richly, that is, to live harmoniously, spiritual lives. But if we forget to live in the Word, to abide in it, and let it abide in us, we become as branches that are cut off and wither. How can we abide in this Word if we do not know it? We must know the truth. We must learn that the correct letter of truth is. Let us have a specific principle with which to work and let us stand on that principle, until the moment comes when we feel that spiritual awareness within us, which is realization. Then we shall know that we have attained the spirit of truth, the consciouness of truth, which is the Word of God and is power. Anyone with a sufficient desire for a realization of God will guarantee it.
[Keep in mind Joel S. Goldsmith's book was called Practicing The Presence and that another phrase he used (and a book by that same name) was called The Infinite Way.]
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/Wle6bykppIc/SjghdLsP_t8J
... continuing from earlier post
TKTE - p. 41
"It is possible to know all the truth found in the letter of truth and still be the branch that withers away, unless we live so completely in the Word and let this Word live in us so that the Very Spirit dwells in us-the Spirit of God in man. No man is devoid of It, but most of us are as unaware of It as we are of the blood coursing through our veins. God is with us, God's presence fills all space, the Spirit of God dwells in us. But how many have felt that presence? It is talked about, prayed for, theorized over, and sermonized about; but It is not experienced! It is the conscious awareness, the actual feeling or realization of the Presence, which is necessary."
PTP - pp. 21-22
It is possible to know all the truth found in the letter of truth and still be a branch that withereth, until we so abide in the Word and let this Word abide in us that the very Spirit of God. There is a Spirit in man. There actually is a Spirit - the Spirit of God in man. No man is devoid of it, but most of us are as unaware of it as we are of the blood coursing through our bodies. God is with us. God's presence fills all space; the Spirit of God dwells in us. But how many people have felt that Presence? It is talked about, prayed about, theorized about, and sermonized about; but It is not experienced. It is the conscious awareness, the actual feeling or realization of the Presence which is necessary.
TKTE - p. 41
"In most religious teachings, we are told that God is everywhere, but this is not true in the sense of prevalence. If the Spirit of God were everywhere, all persons would be free, healthy, wealthy, independent, joyous, and harmonious. The Spirit of God is present only where It is Realized. This is why we are all trying to become channels for Spirit."
PTP - p. 22
In most religious teachings, we are told that the Spirit God is everywhere, but that is not true. If the Spirit of the Lord were everywhere, everybody would be free, healthy, wealthy, independent, joyous, and harmonious. No. the Spirit of the Lord is present only where it is realized.
TKTE - p. 41
"Unless we feel the actual presence of God, then as far as we are concerned, we do not have the realization of this Spirit. It is like electricity (which is everywhere, just as the Spirit of God is), but electricity is of little use or value to anyone unless it is connected in some way for a particular use. So it is with the Spirit of God. It is everywhere in an absolute, spiritual sense, but It is only effective in our experience to the extent to which It is realized."
PTP - p. 22-23
Unless we feel the actual presence of God, then, as far as we are concerned, we do not have this Spirit. Again, it is a case of rolling up the window shades, or it is like saying that electricity is everywhere. That is true. Electricity is everywhere just as the Spirit of God is everywhere. Electricity, however, will be of no value to us, unless it is connected in some way for our particular use. So it is with this Spirit of God. It is everywhere, in an absolute, spiritual sense, but It is only effective in our experience to the extent to which It is realized.
TKTE - pp. 41-42
"Anyone following the path of ECKANKAR cannot go through a day satisfied that he has read some truth in the morning or that he is going to hear some truth in the afternoon or evening. There must be a conscious realization of truth going on all the time. This does not mean he is going to neglect his human duties and activities. It means that he is going to train himself to have some area in his consciousness always active in truth. Whether we look at the forms of nature as trees, flowers, or oceans, or whether we are meeting people, we find some measure of God in each experience. We train ourselves to behold the presence and activity of God in everything around us and live within the Word."
PTP - p. 23
The student of spiritual wisdom cannot go through his day, satisfied that he has read some truth in the morning, or that he is going to hear some truth in the afternoon or evening. There must be a conscious activity of truth going on all the time. That does not mean that we neglect our human duties and activities; it means that we train himself to have some area of consciousness always active in truth. Whether we look out at forms of nature such as trees, flowers, or oceans, or whether we are meeting people, we find some measure of God in each experience. We train ourselves to behold the presence and activity of God in everything around us and to abide in the Word.
TKTE - p. 42
"So it is important to learn all that we can about the correct letter of truth, to understand every principle and then to practice these principles until we go from an intellectual knowledge to an inner awareness of them. We build our foundation on specific principles. Some of these principles are found in all scriptures, but mainly in the Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad, the Way of the Eternal."
PTP - pp. 23-24
It is important to learn all that we can about the correct letter of truth, to understand every principle, and then to practice these principles until we go from an intellectual knowledge to an inner awareness of them. We build our foundation on specific principles. Some of these principles are found in scripture: Christian, Hebrew, and Oriental. Some of them are not found in any written form, but nevertheless, they are known to all the mystics of the world. The further we go in this work, the more necessary it is that we know every one of these principles. They are the foundation of our understanding and they must become so much a part of us that when we are faced with a problem, we do not have to think consciously of any of them.
TKTE - p. 41
"The deeper we go into this work, the more necessary it is that we know every one of these principles. They are the foundation of our understanding, and they must become so much a part of us that when we are faced with a problem we do not have to consciously think of them.
"Someday I will give these principles to you for publication. An understanding of the principles of spiritual living - that is, a knowledge of the correct letter of truth - is necessary. That is the foundation upon which we build, so that we understand where we are going and why, and what our relationship is to God. It is necessary that we know these things so that we do not stumble in a blind faith that at some time or another may desert us. We need to know the correct letter of truth so that we do not find ourselves in a state of mental chaos, relying on one thing today and another tomorrow, never coming to an understanding of God - the nature and character of God, the nature of God's law, and the nature of God's being."
PTP - p. 25
An understanding of the principles of spiritual living, that is, a knowledge of the correct letter of truth, is necessary. That is the foundation upon which we build, so that we understand where we are going and why, and what our relationship to God and our fellowman is. It is necessary that we know these things so that we do not stumble into a blind faith that at some time or another may desert us. We need to know the correct letter of truth in order that we do not find ourselves in a state of mental chaos, relying on one thing today and on another tomorrow, never coming to an understanding of that which is. A spiritual life cannot be built without an understanding of God - the nature and character of God, the nature of God's law, and the nature of God's being.
TKTE - p. 42
"It is possible for anyone to change the trend of his life, not by hearing or reading truth, but by making it an active part of his consciousness in daily experience, until it becomes a habit every moment of the day, instead of an occasional thought. Let God operate in the consciousness morning, noon, and night until the actual awareness comes gradually. Then we make the transition from being hearers of the Word to being doers of the Word. Then we shall be living in the world and shall gather in the harvest of Souls."
PTP - p. 26
It is possible for anyone to change the trend of his life, not by hearing or reading truth, but by making it an active part of his consciousness in daily experience, until it becomes a habit every moment of the day, instead of an occasional thought. Let these principles operate in the consciousness morning, noon, and night, until gradually the actual awareness comes. Then we make the transition from being hearers of the Word to being doers of the Word. Then we shall be abiding in the Word and shall bear fruit richly. [... .]
***
OK that's about the best I can do right now for the similarities between Twitchell and Goldsmith that I've found so far. I have them all in a different format, and where the paragraphs are not broken up, that might be possible to share in the future. I also have examples from the other authors listed on this thread. Bear in mind I am still researching Paul Twitchell's book The Key to Eckankar and may not have found all similarities (near and exact) to date when the book (or what Rebazar Tarzs reportedly said) is compared with other authors and their books. Most of them copyrighted.
There is also Harold Klemp's Introduction for the 2003 version of TKTE that I want to append to this thread. Along with what he had to say about Rebazar Tarzs.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/Wle6bykppIc/v_i6BDdTBjkJ
"Spiritual consciousness is attained through the activity of truth in consciousness. Dwelling on scriptural quotations or statements of truth helps to spiritualize thought. The more truth we read and hear, the more truth is active in our consciousness. We learn to abide in the world by putting truth into ourselves. This is the first step on the way to God."
Based on: The Key to Eckankar - Twitchell
"Spiritual consciousness is attained through the activity of truth in consciousness. Dwelling on scriptural quotations or statements of truth helps to spiritualize thought. The more truth that we read and hear, the more active is truth in our consciousness. Thus we learn to abide in the Word. This is the first step on the Way."
Based on: Practicing The Presence - Goldsmith
[Note: Goldsmith says: "Thus we learn to abide in the Word." where Eckankar says: "We learn to abide in the world ... ." Typo???]
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/nD2iq5AOBzc/4T8Ss0btEFEJ
Paul Twitchell and Harold Klemp both made remarks about Rebazar Tarzs. Paul, reportedly taking down Rebazar's dictation and Harold Klemp further remarking about
(1) the "conversation" "His [Rebazar Tarzs'] conversation with Paul ..."]
and
(2) the "dialogue" ["... the dialogue between Rebazar Tarzs and Paul ... ."]
and Harold also (in some respects)
(3) attempting to explain what Rebazar Tarzs meant.
On this newsgroup (and in so many words) it was suggested, even stated, that plagiarisms do not discount the verity of Eck Masters. Iow, that plagiarisms (by the founder of Eckankar, that were not exactly words from Eck Masters, but rather words copied from library books and credited to certain Eck Masters, etc.) have as if nothing to do with whether Eck Masters are real, or not. It almost looks to me as if some people would rather like to sweep the study and illustration for a "growing list" of plagiarisms out of the way and off of this newsgroup. Although this action is not entirely certain, what is certain are the number of personal "attacks" and ridicule, etc. of those choosing to bring up and maintain a discussion and deeper study of this topic.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/nD2iq5AOBzc/vlRM7X8Eke8J
Etznab
Jun 18, 2016, 12:48:32 PM6/18/16
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On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 9:06:48 AM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
"Refuse to see Truth, pretend that it is impossible to know what is true and what is not, distort Truth, seek to mix it with Untruth, attempt to deceive both ourselves and others, give Truth in an unattractive manner, then chaos will reign in our lives...
"This is the time for Truth 'the Truth, the whole Truth and nothing but the Truth.' This is no time for half-Truths, for bewilderment and lack of understanding. These constitute the soil in which grief grows. In Truth alone there is comfort, understanding and courage."
Paul Twitchell, The Flute of God
http://www.spiritualdialogues.com/thewholetruth.html
I'm sure this will read like a brick over the head (pun intended) for some:
"Apart from Truth being spoken to others, Truth is an absolute need in our lives. We must see Truth and know Truth and think Truth, always. If we refuse to see Truth, or pretend we cannot tell what is true and what is not; if we distort Truth or seek to mix it with untruth; if we, in fact, like to deceive both ourselves and others if the truth does not present an attractive aspect to us, then chaos will reign in our lives. Our Real Self will be in conflict with our outer self and we shall continually find ourselves in the most unpleasant situations."
http://thought-bricks.com/courses/thought-bricks-foundation-lessons/thought-bricks-9-truth-liberator/
Bernard:
The "Divine Promises" have been puzzling thinking people throughout the ages. For while they speak of love; they speak of wrath. How can the two be reconciled?
It is this way. The divine promises are spoken as the voice of everlasting law. God put this law into action at the beginning of the world, that "whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap". This law is just and logical, part of great inheritance of man, who is God's offspring and heir.
Whatsoever God has "sown" on earth by the power of his divine thought has grown into visible reality. Therefore whatever we "sow", as offspring and heir of God, comes into visible reality too.
God's thoughts are infinite; man's are finite - both operate under the same divinely appointed law. With this knowledge the divine promises are made clear in both their aspects. If evil is sown in thought, evil is "reaped". If good is sown in thought, good is "reaped".
How then to turn evil, once "sown" and reaped, into good? By the power of Christ within, the intermediary which saves us from our "sins". The scripture tells us, "Your life is hide with Christ in God". This divinely appointed "bridge" between God and man, between God and not-good (or evil) enables that which is not good to become good, that which is not happy to become happy and that which is incurable to become curable. [... .]
http://thought-bricks.com/charts-2/divine-promises-chart-affirmation-exercise/
Twitchell:
Running through the holy scriptures of the world there is found the golden thread of promises made by the prophets and savior who were the light of these ages.
The divine promises have puzzled thinking people in every period of history, for while they speak of love, they speak also of wrath. How can the two be reconciled?
The divine promises are given in the Voice of The Everlasting Law. God put this law into action at the beginning of this universe. Within this universe, and many other universes, also, it is the law of cause and effect. "Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap"' This law is a just and logical one, and part of the great inheritance of man, who is God's heir. Whatsoever God has sown on earth by the power of His divine thought, has grown into visible reality. Whatsoever man "sows" as the offspring and heir of God, comes into visible reality, also. God's thoughts are infinite; man's are finite, but both are operating under the same divinely appointed law.
Within this knowledge, the divine promises are clear in both aspects. If negativeness is sown in thought, the same is produced and reaped. If positiveness is sown in thought, then it is reaped. How then does one turn the negative once sown and reap into the constructive?
This is done by the divine power in each of us, who are Souls. The Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad, the ECK Bible, tells us, "Your life is hid with the ECK (the power) in me." This is the divinely appointed bridge between God and man, between good and evil, between positiveness and negativeness, enabling that which is not good to become good; that which is unhappy to become happy and that which is incurable to become curable. [... .]
- The Flute of God, by Paul Twitchell, 8th Printing - 1982, Chapter 4 - THE PROMISES OF THE PROPHET, pp. 45-46
Bernard:
THE TRUTH ABOUT LIFE AND DEATH
This is a time for Truth, the Truth, the whole Truth and nothing but the Truth. This is no time for half truths, for bewilderment and lack of understanding, for these are the soil in which helpless grief grows. In truth alone is there comfort and understanding and courage. That is why, because I understand so well, I am giving you Truth.
http://thought-bricks.com/courses/thought-bricks-foundation-lessons/thought-bricks-11-real-die/
Twitchell:
This is the time for Truth "the Truth, the whole Truth and nothing but the Truth." This is no time for half-Truths, for bewilderment and lack of understanding. These constitute the soil in which grief grows. In Truth alone there is comfort, understanding and courage.
- The Flute of God, by Paul Twitchell, 8th Printing - 1982, Chapter 9 - (THE SHAPE OF THE ALTAR), p. 128
Bernard:
Apart from Truth being spoken to others, Truth is an absolute need in our lives. We must see Truth and know Truth and think Truth, always. If we refuse to see Truth, or pretend we cannot tell what is true and what is not; if we distort Truth or seek to mix it with untruth; if we, in fact, like to deceive both ourselves and others if the truth does not present an attractive aspect to us, then chaos will reign in our lives. Our Real Self will be in conflict with our outer self and we shall continually find ourselves in the most unpleasant situations.
http://thought-bricks.com/courses/thought-bricks-foundation-lessons/thought-bricks-9-truth-liberator/
Twitchell:
Before you can give Truth to others, Truth must be known as the absolute need in your life. We must see Truth and know Truth and think Truth always.
Refuse to see Truth, pretend that it is impossible to know what is true and what is not, distort Truth, seek to mix it with Untruth, attempt to deceive both ourselves and others, give Truth in an unattractive manner, then chaos will reign in our lives. Our real self will be in conflict with our outer self and we will continually find ourselves in the most unpleasant situations.
- The Flute of God, by Paul Twitchell, 8th Printing - 1982, Chapter 9 - (THE SHAPE OF THE ALTAR), pp. 127-128
***
My personal favorite (NOT) is still Harold Klemp speaking about Rebazar Tarzs, speaking about the correct letter of truth.
In his Introduction for Fourth Printing (1985) of The Key to Eckankar, Harold Klemp referenced Rebazar Tarzs. Harold wrote: [...] Rebazar Tarzs says that the individual first has to get "the correct letter of truth" before he can live in the spirit of truth. He tells how this is done. [... .]
Say hello to Rebazar Tarzs. Ask him what is up with this?
Better yet, ask Harold to explain whether he, in fact, knew about all those Goldsmith plagiarisms before making his comments. Also ask why Doug Marman, in all his great wisdom, missed so much relevant information and DID NOT INCLUDE IT IN THE WHOLE TRUTH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Examples:
[...] How can we abide in this Word if we do not know it? We must know the truth. We must learn what the correct letter of truth is. Let us have a specific principle with which to work and let us stand on that principle, until the moment comes when we feel that spiritual awareness within us, which is realization. Then we shall know that we have attained the spirit of truth, the consciousness of truth, which is the Word of God and is power. Anyone with a sufficient desire for a realization of God will guarantee it."
Based on: Practicing The Presence - Goldsmith
"How can we live in the Word if we do not know It? We must know the Truth. We must learn what the correct letter of truth is. Let us have a principle with which to work, and let us stand on this principle, until the moment comes when we feel that spiritual awareness within us is realized. Then we shall know that we have attained the spirit of truth, the consciousness of truth, which is the Word of the SUGMAD and is power. Anyone with a sufficient desire for a realization of God can achieve that realization - the grace of God will guarantee it."
Based on: The Key to Eckankar - Twitchell
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/AEhzOYFzWck/dsFcIwx7KKUJ
A KEY point here is that Goldsmith made his information available years before Twitchell and Eckankar. And so it was already circulating before the master compiler, Twitchell, came along and put so many words into the mouth of one he called Rebazar Tarzs.
The volume of borrowings, paraphrase and plagiarism by Twitchfail to see what this points to. But then, there have been and will be others who come to attack truth in the name of religion. Who come to attack individuals who love the truth and work hard to illustrate and share it. This newsgroup has seen decades of abuse where individuals are loath to accept the truth, but desperately try to defend ignorance and stay their death of an ideal. Little did they know the person who came to ask the most questions didn't wait for them to find the answers. No. I went looking to verify what the rumors were about and I found and painstakingly illustrated in black and white the words of so-called Eck Masters beside material from books published years before Eckankar.
Now I know that doing this as an active member of Eckankar riles some folks to the core. One being Kinpa, who time and time again insists I am not an active member. And J.R. - who was once an Eckist, then was not, now is what? - maybe he is jealous of me to have stayed and loved the truth so much that I call it Eckankar to share it with others.
See, IMO, Eckankar - and what works for me about Eckankar - includes the truth and respects it even more than pseudo history and religion.
***
Some of my findings, so far, about Paul Twitchell's book, The Key to Eckankar.
The Key to Eckankar is about 43 pages of text. Similarities (near or exact) between text for The Key to Eckankar and writings of Neville Goddard appear on, or about pp. 5-6; the writings of Talbot Mundy, p. 6; Neville Goddard pp. 6-7; Thomas Troward, pp. 8-9; Talbot Mundy, p. 14; Neville Goddard, p. 17; Joel Goldsmith, p. 19; Talbot Mundy, pp. 23-25, 27; Scientology Dynamics, p. 27; Neville Goddard, p. 28; Scientology Axioms, p. 37; Joel Goldsmith, pp. 40-42.
This is a list of the books and links.
The Power of Awareness, Neville Goddard (1952)
http://ia600202.us.archive.org/11/items/ThePowerOfAwareness/Neville_ThePowerOfAwareness.pdf
Old Ugly Face, Talbot Mundy (1940)
http://arthursclassicnovels.com/mundy/ugfa10.html
Lectures on Mental Science, Thomas Troward (1909)
http://www.archive.org/stream/edinburghlecture00trow#page/n7/mode/2up
Scientology, Hubbard (1950s?)
http://learn.scientology.org/wis4_12.htm
Practicing the Presence, Joel S. Goldsmith (1958)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/82916572/Practicing-the-Presence-of-God-Joel-S-Goldsmith
The Key to Eckankar ("1968")
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0KObtCQpPKbZDhiNjhkZmQtNjI5Yy00ZTZlLWJjZDYtYjY3Yzg1Y2I4Mzhj/edit?pli=1
Kinpa
Jun 18, 2016, 1:52:05 PM6/18/16
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Why this is marked as abuse? It has been marked as abuse.
Report not abuse
So let us do this mister "current ECK chela!"
Ready? Set. GO~!!!
Henosis Sage
Jun 18, 2016, 8:58:54 PM6/18/16
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On Sunday, 19 June 2016 03:52:05 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:
[snipped]
KINPA SAID:
> No one failed at anything, and how egotistical of you to see it that way...I can't speak for JR, but I CAN speak for myself....I simply don't care if Sri Paul Twitchell plagiarized once, or ten thousand times. So why is it that you and sean are so unable to allow anyone else their own points of view and must constantly try and fail at making them change their opinions to match yours??? Have you notified Eckankar about me yet? I would just love to show them a capsule of your postings here over the years, including this one of course!
>
> So let us do this mister "current ECK chela!"
>
> Ready? Set. GO~!!!
--- --- ---
RE: "I CAN speak for myself....I simply don't care if Sri Paul Twitchell
9TH JAN 2016
see how many reads the front page has? Yes, this doesn't happen at a "dead site"
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc4/FuzzBucket_01/500000Reads_zpsezysthgf.jpg
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/PiDNZOc7pbc/Gf3Em_aHBQAJ
Kinpa Feb 10
"Try a bit yourself! I am hardly caught, a thing you both are unwilling to
admit, but that will become ever more self-evident! You richard WILL go down
with sean...you BOTH chose your karma, so please DO enjoy that! I shall enjoy
watching it!"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/bFosXpxJ8zI/TLutiFYHAQAJ
Your GRANDIOSE DELUSIONS AND Egotistical bragging is gonna get you exactly what you deserve Matt.
Matthew Sharpe is despicable non-stop lying, manipulative, extreme pathological
narcissistic sociopath. Being so mentally unstable as to say any disgusting
untrue thing that comes to mind, will never make it true!
Since when is publicly and falsely calling someone a "rapist" on a.r.e.
*expressing a point of view* about Twitchell's Plagiarism?
When is falsely claiming someone is not an ECKist on a.r.e. ever *expressing a
point of view* about Twitchell's Plagiarism?
When is saying he KNOWS someone is engaged in "criminal activities" publicly
and repeatedly on a.r.e *expressing a point of view* about Twitchell's Plagiarism?
Since when is fraudulently claiming one has superior "remote viewing" skills
and that he can see other people vomiting at parties, emptying their bowels at
3am, and shitting their pants a TWO HUNDRED PLUS TIMES on a.r.e. *expressing a
point of view* about Twitchell's Plagiarism?
When is threatening ETZNAB that he will report him to Eckankar Head Office
*expressing a point of view* about Twitchell's Plagiarism on a.r.e.?
Since when is calling people names such as "BLACK BLACKENED HEART, DARK & NARROW
& ROTTEN HEART" on a.r.e. *expressing a point of view* about Twitchell's
Plagiarism?
I'll tell you FCUKING NOTHING you pathetic lowlife and poor excuse for a human being that you are.
Kinpa 12 Feb
"Wrong yet again....karma has been knocking at YOUR door, and you are unable to
recognize it.....watch and wait, I promise that this one WILL be good! Have a
great day, and may your black heart be blessed by Divine Light and Love, with
Perfect Health, in the Name of the SUGMAD, the ECK, and the Mahanta!
You still owe pretty heavily for Quoc too btw...
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/bFosXpxJ8zI/jzelfROEAQAJ
Regardless, may your blackened heart be blessed with Divine Love and Light,
with Perfect Health in the Name of the SUGMAD, the ECK, and the Mahanta! Have
a good one then...
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/BAvre08QyWo/8eDf72-OAQAJ
Regardless may your dark and narrow heart be blessed by Divine Love and Light,
with Perfect Health, in the Name of the SUGMAD, the ECK, and the Mahanta!
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/XUYp8GyZEJQ/KOTx8LIiAgAJ
alt.religion.eckankar ›
(Thread) BEWARE - Matt Sharpe / Kinpa / Shabda is Dangerous
Kinpa 14 June 2016
"You have never been abused liar.... "
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/JR-AuGTwNr8/9cNuzAGtBQAJ
CALLING KINPA OUT!
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/XUYp8GyZEJQ/ZJ06ktoBAQAJ
Etznab Feb 10
- show quoted text -
You know the woman from the other group that Sean had issues with? [Gloria]
I have seen the way YOU treated people here and the things you wrote. And yet, you picked something and then tried to paint Sean as a rapist. You remember that now don't you you?
And at the same time you were calling him those things and wastoid drunk, etc., etc. and it was all Sean's fault according to you.
Hey Kinpa. I've got news for you. Some very unloving remarks entered a.r.e. with you back in 2014, etc. It wasn't coming from me and it wasn't coming from Sean. You brought some things here Kinpa. Deleting things doesn't make them go away either because I already made a record.
So don't even try to compare YOUR actions with those of others. Because you are proud of your actions now aren't you, Kinpa? You, who had the nerve to whine about other people calling names.
I forgot to add Boopsy (whatever), but these are the kinds of names you used for others here.
scumbag
assbreath
piece of shit!
egotistical and self-centered asshole
drunk
idiot drunk
drunken dolt
drunken fool!
Wastoid drunk!
drunken cirrhosis!
silly drunk little man
drunken piece of shit
ineffectual drunken slob!
flaccid and drunken sock!
silly boy
madman
silly man
little man
young man!
little camper
sad old man
silly man-child
motherf*cker!
LIAR!
deluded liar
hilarious liar
deceptive liar
fool
dolt
idiot
DOLT!
a joke
stalker
moron
dingus!
tosspot!
criminal
little weasel
WEASEL!!!
tough guy!
internet bully
homosexual
douche-nozzle
an obvious dullard!
arrogant and stupid idot!
effeminate waste of flesh!
dumb as a box of rocks
child
big baby!
youngster!
pooooooor baby!
NEENER NEENER NEENER!
dull dull boy
AMATEUR!
imbicilic twits
Nancypants!
internet stalkers
amateur "astrologer"
amateur "numerologist"
Shitter
Mr. Beans
seanie
seanella
pope Sean
pope seanicus
seanie-boy-girl
Poor poor seanella!
poor wittle seanella
Richie
Mr. McLintock
mr. mcclintock
NOT a current member of Eckankar
NOT an ECKist by ANY standards!
Sean = LIAR!
full of shite, and your breath smells like it....
bunch of lushes
Richard = Liar!
mental midget
What was the matter. Can't express yourself well enough without talking trash?
I watched you inflame things here and then call it entertainment. These and other things are why I finally decided to ask you why? Why did you do it and then I asked about meds. It was not to mock but to seek understanding. I don't know anybody who writes like you do. I was wanting to understand you better. I think your kind of humor makes J.R. look like Tinkerbell.
Quoting the PSYCHOTIC LIAR Matthew Sharpe aka Kinpa and SHABDA-Preceptor on the
LightForceNetwork.com website:
"As for what Eckankar's teachings and Sri Harold Klemp have to do with the site itself....HE knows and is quite well aware! But thank you SO much for your worry and consideration. We will not be accepting your threats as anything but some bellyaching and complaining by a person that we are in no way concerned with. However, we ALL would like to extend the Divine Blessings of the Light and Sound of ECK, in the Name of the SUGMAD, the ECK, and the Mahanta, in whatever way and to whatever degree the ECK chooses!
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/mtYxqIPRYBU/T_o6GrrwAAAJ
--- --- ---
For more recent evidence of Matthew Sharpe's Cyber-Stalking, Online Harassment and non-stop VERBAL ABUSE and SLANDER see
June 2016 Words of Love & Wisdom by Kinpa aka our resident FAKE ECKIST
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/fYLn70D4SA4
June 2016 word by word extracts of above
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/4asnQ1M0Jdw
MY POST 21-02-16 re 5th Jan Insidious Manipulation by Kinpa-Matt Sharpe on a.r.e.
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/4asnQ1M0Jdw
[snipped]
KINPA SAID:
> No one failed at anything, and how egotistical of you to see it that way...I can't speak for JR, but I CAN speak for myself....I simply don't care if Sri Paul Twitchell plagiarized once, or ten thousand times. So why is it that you and sean are so unable to allow anyone else their own points of view and must constantly try and fail at making them change their opinions to match yours??? Have you notified Eckankar about me yet? I would just love to show them a capsule of your postings here over the years, including this one of course!
>
> So let us do this mister "current ECK chela!"
>
> Ready? Set. GO~!!!
RE: "I CAN speak for myself....I simply don't care if Sri Paul Twitchell
plagiarized once, or ten thousand times. So why is it that you and sean are
so unable to allow anyone else their own points of view and must constantly
try and fail at making them change their opinions to match yours???"
You are a vile disgusting lying whore Matthew Sharpe ... that proof is everywhere and it's travelling farther very fast!
so unable to allow anyone else their own points of view and must constantly
try and fail at making them change their opinions to match yours???"
9TH JAN 2016
see how many reads the front page has? Yes, this doesn't happen at a "dead site"
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc4/FuzzBucket_01/500000Reads_zpsezysthgf.jpg
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/PiDNZOc7pbc/Gf3Em_aHBQAJ
Kinpa Feb 10
"Try a bit yourself! I am hardly caught, a thing you both are unwilling to
admit, but that will become ever more self-evident! You richard WILL go down
with sean...you BOTH chose your karma, so please DO enjoy that! I shall enjoy
watching it!"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/bFosXpxJ8zI/TLutiFYHAQAJ
Your GRANDIOSE DELUSIONS AND Egotistical bragging is gonna get you exactly what you deserve Matt.
Matthew Sharpe is despicable non-stop lying, manipulative, extreme pathological
narcissistic sociopath. Being so mentally unstable as to say any disgusting
untrue thing that comes to mind, will never make it true!
Since when is publicly and falsely calling someone a "rapist" on a.r.e.
*expressing a point of view* about Twitchell's Plagiarism?
When is falsely claiming someone is not an ECKist on a.r.e. ever *expressing a
point of view* about Twitchell's Plagiarism?
When is saying he KNOWS someone is engaged in "criminal activities" publicly
and repeatedly on a.r.e *expressing a point of view* about Twitchell's Plagiarism?
Since when is fraudulently claiming one has superior "remote viewing" skills
and that he can see other people vomiting at parties, emptying their bowels at
3am, and shitting their pants a TWO HUNDRED PLUS TIMES on a.r.e. *expressing a
point of view* about Twitchell's Plagiarism?
When is threatening ETZNAB that he will report him to Eckankar Head Office
*expressing a point of view* about Twitchell's Plagiarism on a.r.e.?
Since when is calling people names such as "BLACK BLACKENED HEART, DARK & NARROW
& ROTTEN HEART" on a.r.e. *expressing a point of view* about Twitchell's
Plagiarism?
I'll tell you FCUKING NOTHING you pathetic lowlife and poor excuse for a human being that you are.
Kinpa 12 Feb
"Wrong yet again....karma has been knocking at YOUR door, and you are unable to
recognize it.....watch and wait, I promise that this one WILL be good! Have a
great day, and may your black heart be blessed by Divine Light and Love, with
Perfect Health, in the Name of the SUGMAD, the ECK, and the Mahanta!
You still owe pretty heavily for Quoc too btw...
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/bFosXpxJ8zI/jzelfROEAQAJ
Regardless, may your blackened heart be blessed with Divine Love and Light,
with Perfect Health in the Name of the SUGMAD, the ECK, and the Mahanta! Have
a good one then...
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/BAvre08QyWo/8eDf72-OAQAJ
Regardless may your dark and narrow heart be blessed by Divine Love and Light,
with Perfect Health, in the Name of the SUGMAD, the ECK, and the Mahanta!
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/XUYp8GyZEJQ/KOTx8LIiAgAJ
alt.religion.eckankar ›
(Thread) BEWARE - Matt Sharpe / Kinpa / Shabda is Dangerous
Kinpa 14 June 2016
"You have never been abused liar.... "
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/JR-AuGTwNr8/9cNuzAGtBQAJ
CALLING KINPA OUT!
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/XUYp8GyZEJQ/ZJ06ktoBAQAJ
Etznab Feb 10
- show quoted text -
You know the woman from the other group that Sean had issues with? [Gloria]
I have seen the way YOU treated people here and the things you wrote. And yet, you picked something and then tried to paint Sean as a rapist. You remember that now don't you you?
And at the same time you were calling him those things and wastoid drunk, etc., etc. and it was all Sean's fault according to you.
Hey Kinpa. I've got news for you. Some very unloving remarks entered a.r.e. with you back in 2014, etc. It wasn't coming from me and it wasn't coming from Sean. You brought some things here Kinpa. Deleting things doesn't make them go away either because I already made a record.
So don't even try to compare YOUR actions with those of others. Because you are proud of your actions now aren't you, Kinpa? You, who had the nerve to whine about other people calling names.
I forgot to add Boopsy (whatever), but these are the kinds of names you used for others here.
scumbag
assbreath
piece of shit!
egotistical and self-centered asshole
drunk
idiot drunk
drunken dolt
drunken fool!
Wastoid drunk!
drunken cirrhosis!
silly drunk little man
drunken piece of shit
ineffectual drunken slob!
flaccid and drunken sock!
silly boy
madman
silly man
little man
young man!
little camper
sad old man
silly man-child
motherf*cker!
LIAR!
deluded liar
hilarious liar
deceptive liar
fool
dolt
idiot
DOLT!
a joke
stalker
moron
dingus!
tosspot!
criminal
little weasel
WEASEL!!!
tough guy!
internet bully
homosexual
douche-nozzle
an obvious dullard!
arrogant and stupid idot!
effeminate waste of flesh!
dumb as a box of rocks
child
big baby!
youngster!
pooooooor baby!
NEENER NEENER NEENER!
dull dull boy
AMATEUR!
imbicilic twits
Nancypants!
internet stalkers
amateur "astrologer"
amateur "numerologist"
Shitter
Mr. Beans
seanie
seanella
pope Sean
pope seanicus
seanie-boy-girl
Poor poor seanella!
poor wittle seanella
Richie
Mr. McLintock
mr. mcclintock
NOT a current member of Eckankar
NOT an ECKist by ANY standards!
Sean = LIAR!
full of shite, and your breath smells like it....
bunch of lushes
Richard = Liar!
mental midget
What was the matter. Can't express yourself well enough without talking trash?
I watched you inflame things here and then call it entertainment. These and other things are why I finally decided to ask you why? Why did you do it and then I asked about meds. It was not to mock but to seek understanding. I don't know anybody who writes like you do. I was wanting to understand you better. I think your kind of humor makes J.R. look like Tinkerbell.
Quoting the PSYCHOTIC LIAR Matthew Sharpe aka Kinpa and SHABDA-Preceptor on the
LightForceNetwork.com website:
"As for what Eckankar's teachings and Sri Harold Klemp have to do with the site itself....HE knows and is quite well aware! But thank you SO much for your worry and consideration. We will not be accepting your threats as anything but some bellyaching and complaining by a person that we are in no way concerned with. However, we ALL would like to extend the Divine Blessings of the Light and Sound of ECK, in the Name of the SUGMAD, the ECK, and the Mahanta, in whatever way and to whatever degree the ECK chooses!
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/mtYxqIPRYBU/T_o6GrrwAAAJ
--- --- ---
For more recent evidence of Matthew Sharpe's Cyber-Stalking, Online Harassment and non-stop VERBAL ABUSE and SLANDER see
June 2016 Words of Love & Wisdom by Kinpa aka our resident FAKE ECKIST
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/fYLn70D4SA4
June 2016 word by word extracts of above
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/4asnQ1M0Jdw
MY POST 21-02-16 re 5th Jan Insidious Manipulation by Kinpa-Matt Sharpe on a.r.e.
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/4asnQ1M0Jdw
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Jun 19, 2016, 3:32:13 AM6/19/16
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On Friday, 17 June 2016 23:37:58 UTC+10, Etznab wrote:
Hi Etznab,
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re: " ECKANKAR is an elite path (not snobbish)."
Eckankar is a "label" it's a word. It teaches things. The important part of that is
WHAT it teaches and HOW it helps not IT of itself. There are some parts of Eckankar
that are true and correct, or offer reasonable learning tools. The whole of it however
is not exactly what Paul sold it as and how it is taught today.
Whatever you have gained and whatever knowledge and skills you have developed from being
in Eckankar cannot be taken away from you. They are yours. If you were to discover that
PT was actually a chap called Freddy Freedom and his life story was completely
different than what Eckankar had told you thus far, it would make NO difference from
whatever TRUTH and WISDOM you had already gained. So if PT was in reality Freddy
Freedom, and if you are driven by finding what is true and real, what would be the
point of turning away from discovering the truth of Paul's real 'name' and real life
story? How could it make any difference if you are already confident in what you have
learned from the Eck masters? There is nothing to be afraid about and nothing to get
upset or angry about.
It's that simple with the plagiarism issue as one example. Marman said that he had
never heard of or seen any evidence of plagiarism in the DWTM book .. therefore he
accepted that it was a fair example of Rebazar teaching Paul during the 1950s. And yet
there are over a dozen authors who writings turn up verbatim, word for word, in order
in DWTM with only very minor changes made by Paul. Such as adding RT into the 'story'.
Not only is that the facts of the matter it is true.
The question them becomes, well what does that mean? Well if you have "inner skills"
this is where they could be applied IF you truly seek the truth, the whole truth and
nothing but the truth. Because it is true that one single author, Charles Haanel's
writings from his discourse series in the early 20th century make up one third of the
DWTM book.
I am not being critical of PT nor saying anything about that expect that it is provably
100% a true statement of fact. This pattern of writing books will then be found in
every single book and discourse written by Paul. Paul says that RT appeared in his room
and taught him .... let's even assume he meant that as an "inner experience" where
knowledge was transferred from RT to Paul. Paul said he got from RT. Sorry, no he did
not. He got from Haanel's Discourses series ... and the 're-wrote' that into a 'story'
of RT appearing to him.
Now RT may well have appeared to him but he DID NOT dictate DWTM, nor SBTR, or TFC, or
TTF to Paul. All those books are provably copied from other authors and re-written bit
by bit by Paul. That's the truth of it.
I have very good reasons to believe that Harold Klemp knows this and that he has seen the
original Haanel Discourses in Paul's archive he left behind. Along with mountains of
other "outer evidence".
IN MY OPINION EVERYONE DOES THE BEST THEY CAN WITH WHAT THEY HAVE AND WHAT THEY KNOW -
YOU'RE NO DIFFERENT
So I do not think you're a 'fool' nor intentionally 'vain' buy you have had many false
ideas and beliefs implanted in you along the way - don't we all? Yes! I was never
judging you, nor telling you things about yourself that I could not possibly know - I
was very specific in my comments - they were NOT about you, it was facts and info I
know about that you raised to me.
These have been tested on the outer and the inner. They ring true for a decade now.
Now no one is perfect, no religion is "real" either. As long as one is kind and genuine
and lives a life 'helping others' as best we can when we can, and also listening to
others things work out OK in the end. I have no reason to doubt that you would likely
see things similarly - beware of getting waylaid while trying to defend your beliefs -
they do not need defending to start with - your comments about eck masters etc make no
difference to anything I had presented before. I didn't mention them at all, see? God
and spirit don't have sides, or teams, or special groups. People do. :-)
No matter what good luck and best wishes to you too ....?
DWTM Dialogues with the Master - PLAGIARISM by Paul Twitchell
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-M0yAR0UPhPdzhFU2JFalJoaEU
There are some of the true facts. Look or do not look matters not to me
personally. What meaning people make of that is up to them, not for me to
tell them or assume I know the 'right answer' - It's all up to yourself
using the skills and the talent you have to hand, both inner and outer.
What makes us human beings is that there is a blending of both inner and outer
at a level where we can perceive this. One side is not better than the other.
Both have limitations, freedom wisdom, love and power is found in the balance
between the two and loving heart who embraces truth no matter from where it
comes or what it is. Not easy.
Meanwhile I know for a fact over two decades that many a person has been harmed
by their discovery of both Twitchell's plagiarism of itself, and the way that
issue has not been dealt with open and honestly by ECKANKAR ever since. That
harm has been in my view unnecessary, unconscionable and extremely disingenuous
by ECKANKAR and HK in particular who has refused to tell the membership
exactly what he knows and when he knew it. The 'truth' is the truth, no one
has the right nor the authority to decide for another what truth they are
allowed or not allowed to know .. not in a path that declares itself a path
of FREEDOM for the INDIVIDUAL.
Klemp has and never had any right or power to withhold the truth from ECKists. That's his problem and his karma not those who have spoken out in the past or
speak the truth today when he does not.
Think about that ... like really contemplate on that. Even demand a straight
answer from your inner eck masters to clear it up for YOURSELF ... that might
take some time, but there is no rush. Vairag works, even if Paul copied other
people's books. That's also part of the truth too. :-)
original posted to thread under:-
Far Voice 4 days ago (edited)
"To correct obvious misleading info here,........................"
Paul Twitchell of ECKANKAR - Historical Timeline Photo Gallery
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNc5osh-m2M
Etznab
Jun 19, 2016, 8:51:51 AM6/19/16
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So let's hear some of those other explanations about how these masters can be real after already admitting so much of their history amounts to copying from books and changing people's names.
That doesn't make them real, see? That is pseudo history and religion!
Now I didn't go and create those plagiarisms that you don't care about. And for writing about them are simply stating so many truths. You make this out to be an attack on Eckankar, but I laugh at you for seeing the telling of truth as an attack, or an insult.
What you can't seem to face is that fictional people were created through the process of plagiarism and copying; name changes, etc. Live with it. This is not going away because it already happened a long time ago, it's just that more and more people have been able to look at the fabrications via my illustrations.
Tell me you don't like it that I suggest Paul Twitchell and Eckankar made up so much pseudo history and religion and I'll tell you that it should not be what is encouraged. I don't see Harold dictating books from Rebazar Tarzs, or see him speaking for the Gods of all the different heavens. Why is that? Could it be because he knows how WRONG, WRONG, WRONG it is?
So go get in a huff with your sidekick J.R. and try to save yourselves from death of an ideal by getting angry at me and Sean. But we will help you both to understand that it's not your fault for being helpless to do anything about the man (and woman)-made fabrications turned into religion.
Let us help you both to study, research and investigate these things you call plagiarism and let us see where the rabbit hole goes. If you are interested in pursuing the truth, or addicted to living in La La Land instead.
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I notice that you are unable to allow me to have my own view on the matter too, but I don't deny you the right to having your own belief. That IS a double standard whether you like it or not.
What I say about your Eckankar membership falls under the same specific terms, show proof, and I'll stop saying it and will even apologize...but you have never shown any proof while I did.
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No, I didn't avoid that at all actually...you just seem to be seeing what YOU expect which makes that a product of your own mind, not of mine....
> So let's hear some of those other explanations about how these masters can be real after already admitting so much of their history amounts to copying from books and changing people's names.
It's extremely simple actually....first YOU merely assume that plagiarisms being attributed to ECK Masters makes them fictional, but it proves no such thing, in fact, it doesn't even address the issue of real vs. fictional. Assumptions are a long way from facts or evidence. I suggest you go to your local courthouse and sit on the benches and watch a trial or four. This will undoubtedly give you a much better realization of how much mere assumptions do NOT prove anything.
> That doesn't make them real, see? That is pseudo history and religion!
THAT is YOUR opinion...while claimed historical things MAY be called "pseudo," you have still not proven them to be fictional in the first place, and you also cannot prove who ACTUALLY said any set pf lines....like the Bible for instance...there is no proof that Jesus ever walked the earth, much less said ANYTHING accredited to him in the Bible...now isn't THAT pseudo-history??
Then you also haven't yet proven that the religion also does not work at all. Why not? Furthermore, if the things plagiarized are worthless as spiritual or religious teachings, that would also HAVE to be the case about those who are CLAIMED to have first written or spoken them. If they were valid, then there is no reason for them to suddenly NOT be valid within Eckankar. You cannot have it BOTH ways.
> Now I didn't go and create those plagiarisms that you don't care about. And for writing about them are simply stating so many truths. You make this out to be an attack on Eckankar, but I laugh at you for seeing the telling of truth as an attack, or an insult.
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> What you can't seem to face is that fictional people were created through the process of plagiarism and copying; name changes, etc. Live with it. This is not going away because it already happened a long time ago, it's just that more and more people have been able to look at the fabrications via my illustrations.
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> Tell me you don't like it that I suggest Paul Twitchell and Eckankar made up so much pseudo history and religion and I'll tell you that it should not be what is encouraged. I don't see Harold dictating books from Rebazar Tarzs, or see him speaking for the Gods of all the different heavens. Why is that? Could it be because he knows how WRONG, WRONG, WRONG it is?
Wow, no end to the assumptions in that! LOL. When will you be willing to place yourself within the same standards that you insist I ought to remain within?? Whether or not you're attacking Eckankar is nothing to me. It doesn't need me to stave off your words or actions in even the slightest of ways.
Show me the direct evidence of these charges, aside from plagiarism?? Can you show proof that Rebazar Tarzs does not exist? Can you show any proof that that name is actually his earthly name and not a creation of Paul Twitchell? HUGE difference between creating names, and creating individuals, not to mention the fact that anyone who had as long of a lifespan as he is said to have, would HAVE to change their name periodically, there is NO way around that one. As for the pictures of some other saints from other times that look a LOT like the current pictorial representation of Rebazar Tarzs, are at best moderate likenesses, and are not 100% accurate....which brings the next point...can you prove that ANY of these others that people have thought the concept of Rebazar was lifted from, have actually determined that these other historical figures were NOT him in another time under another name? You believe whatever you want to, but do NOT claim your opinions as truth until you have direct evidence to support your "truth."
> So go get in a huff with your sidekick J.R. and try to save yourselves from death of an ideal by getting angry at me and Sean. But we will help you both to understand that it's not your fault for being helpless to do anything about the man (and woman)-made fabrications turned into religion.
A huff??? What on earth for? You can help no one that hasn't asked you for help. This coming from the supposed current ECKist? Do whatever you want with fabrications, that is your business, just don't ever demand that I accept them as truth, for they are not.
> Let us help you both to study, research and investigate these things you call plagiarism and let us see where the rabbit hole goes. If you are interested in pursuing the truth, or addicted to living in La La Land instead.
There is no rabbit hole. Nice framing by the way, but I do not agree with your framing. Look first at your own addiction to living in "La La Land" before commenting on my points of view simply because I don't accept your assertions as valid or truthful. Now see there? You have just done exactly what you continually accuse me of doing to you...funny when that happens, as that is just another double standard. Why is it so hard for you to accept that someone would see it differently than you do? That IS what makes this a world. I allow you to have your opinions, but you are not capable of returning that to anyone else. Oh well, that IS your choice to make, but perhaps you ought to reconsider how right or wrong that is, not to mention that while you have been accusing folks of these things (for over a decade) you have not once looked at yourself and your own actions or words in the same regard. Why so resistant to doing that? Scared of something???
Henosis Sage
Jun 19, 2016, 7:52:20 PM6/19/16
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NO he didn't. An edited 'image/screenshot' at the end of a url link is NOT proof of anything except there is an 'image'.
"Et Tu Brute"
So, what I say about your BELIEFS falls under the same specific terms, show
proof, and I'll stop saying it and will even apologize...but you have never
shown any proof while I have for ALL my claims.
SHOW PROOF your public claim Etznab isn't or wasn't a member of Eckankar -
you declared it - YOU PROVIDE THE EVIDENCE - BIG CLAIMS REQUIRE BIG EVIDENCE.
SHOW PROOF the eck masters have different names than PT gave them.
SHOW PROOF the eck masters written about Twitchell are real.
SHOW PROOF those eck master taught Paul Twitchell the teachings of ECK.
SHOW PROOF THERE EVEN IS THE "TEACHINGS OF ECK or ECKANKAR" going back
to an Eck Master Gakko
SHOW PROOF Rebazar Tarzs was "the torch bearer of Eckankar"
SHOW PROOF Twitchell was initiated in "Eckankar" by a "SUDAR SINGH" by
whatever REAL person or name you wish to claim.
SHOW PROOF Harold Klemp is a) an Eck Master, b) got any Initiation above the 9th Initiation he got from Darwin Gross, and c) is a 14th Initiate and d) that there even is a 14th Initiation.
SHOW PROOF Twitchell told the truth when he claimed to fight off the Angel of
Death when he "soul traveled" to England to respond to the call of a "chela"
and saved her life as a result.
SHOW PROOF that Twitchell himself "believed in" these "Eck Masters" as he
talked about them and taught others about them from 1965-1971.
SHOW PROOF that Patti Simpson-Rivinus herself "believed in" these "Eck Masters"
when she was a part of Marman's SDP or that SHE EVER taught others about them
from 1985 to her death.
THOSE LAST TWO ARE THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM ...... careful it doesn't shit all
over you one day Matthew Sharpe..... like after you are dead and buried. ;-)
ROFL
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PROVE IT Matthew!
Then PROVE you are Sane.
Prove you are a nice person, who is honest and trustworthy.
That your WORD can ever be Trusted by anyone, even your sons.
Go ahead, PROVE WHAT YOU KEEP CLAIMING HERE REPEATEDLY~!
PROVE ANY HIs or RESAs have even read or like or agree with YOUR WRITINGS.
PROVE IT Matthew, go ahead.
PROVE THAT I HAVE LIED ABOUT ANYTHING HERE REGARDING YOURSELF.
PROVE THAT I GOT MY TIFFANYs and MY MICHELLEs or MY MATTHEW SHARPEs MIXED UP
PROVE THAT YOU ARE SPEAKING THE TRUTH MATTHEW SHARPE ABOUT ANYTHING or ANYONE EVER
YOU ARE NON-STOP LIAR and a PSYCHOPATHIC ANTI-SOCIAL ABUSIVE NARCISSIST
THIS IS A WARNING - mentally unstable people can be extremely dangerous
ECKANKAR VAHANA
ECKANKAR PROSELYTIZER
SELF-APPOINTED ECKANKAR ARAHATA
MATTHEW SHARPE - dob 1969-06-12 - KINPA
ECKist Member FUBAR Swinger Dating Member Addicted Coprophiliac Pathological Narcissist
SHABDA-PRECEPTOR @ THE LIGHTFORCENETWORK.COM
More Info ... for context ... Understanding Emotional Manipulators
Who are Pathological Narcissists?
Knowing about NPD, BPD & ASPD. Be Careful!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7j2axIRja4
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"Do your feces have yours??"
Copy of Matt Sharpe's (FuzzBucket_01) Photo Albums of shit poop farts scat toilets
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-M0yAR0UPhPOFNXY3l6dF9ZMHc
Shit is his favourite thing and pastime after being a prolific XXX-porn watcher,
swingers sex aficionado and all round abusive Misogynist and an outspoken Homophobe.
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PROVE IT ALL - GO AHEAD, MAKE MY DAY~!!!
FILE A COMPLAINT WITH THE AUTHORITIES
TELL HAROLD KLEMP
HIRE A LAWYER AND SUE ME
MAKE ME STOP
REPORT MY POSTS TO GOOGLE GROUPS EVEN
TELL YOUR MOTHER
WRITE YOUR CONGRESSMAN
GET HELP FROM THE SHAMANS
CALL IN THE ECK MASTERS
CRY FOR HELP FROM THE NINE SILENT ONES
SING THE HU IF YOU NEED TO
PROVE ONE OF THE LIES YOU HAVE REPEATEDLY SPREAD PUBLICLY HERE ABOUT ME OR ETZNAB ARE TRUE
PROVE TO THE POLICE, FBI OR NSA AND THEN IN COURT EVEN ONE THING YOU HAVE EVER
SAID ABOUT ME HERE IS TRUE - YOU CAN'T - YOU ARE A LYING WHORE MATTHEW SHARPE
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