I AM the Light.
guardian Snow
through argument, debate and doubt, to offer a solution everybody can
understand. If you are going to achieve excellence in big things, you
develop the habit in little matters. Excellence is not an exception,
it is a prevailing attitude. Leadership is solving problems. The day
soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped
leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help or
concluded you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.”
Colin Powell
Religion cannot be simply a dogma that we go practice on a day of the
week so that we can condemn all the losers [supposedly all those who
don’t subscribe to a belief] to hell that don’t believe as we do. We
must be willing to find patterns that have stopped us from being the
person we should be, not excuses to continue bad behavior. “Human
need psychology” includes finding the tools we need to help other
people.
“Where focus goes, energy flows.” The Messiah said this same mantra
like this:
Mat 6:21 “For where your treasure is, there your heart shall be also.
Mat 6:22 “The lamp of the body is the eye. If therefore your eye is
good, all your body shall be enlightened.
The eye being the part of our body that speaks of focus. A man does
not go into the light by being focused on the darkness of the abyss.
You will not quit smoking by fixating on cigarettes or any other
behavior you do not want to continue! We continually do the things we
do not desire to do because we fixate on the negative (quitting)
instead of the positive behavior that we desire. We empower the things
we focus on and by removing focus from these objects, we move forward
towards our goal. We must be focused on our goal, which being healthy
as the goal for cigarette smokers (for example) being the correct
focus, not quitting. If we train our minds to quit smoking, our
brains react by telling the body to continually quit.
In the example of the smoker, they should consider that they do not
smoke at night, not because they are non smokers at night but because
they do not think about smoking while they sleep. They remove the
power of focus from smoking to sleep. If they continued this practice
during the day of not empowering the things that they don’t desire by
thinking about “quit smoking” and focus on the things they do desire,
it would be automatic. Clean up the area, remove the temptation and
then stop focusing on the problem and think about anything else.
Mat 6:23 “But if your eye is evil, all your body shall be darkened.
If, then, the light that is within you is darkness, how great is that
darkness!
You will not find the savior in a horror picture and the spirit is not
given out in measure..
Joh 3:34 “For He whom Elohim has sent speaks the Words of Elohim, for
Elohim does not give the Spirit by measure.
…and so you must reject that which does not edify the manifestation of
the spirit of light and truth.
Mat 6:24 “No one is able to serve two masters, for either he shall
hate the one and love the other, or else he shall cleave to the one
and despise the other. You are not able to serve Elohim and mammon.
You must FOCUS on that which you desire to manifest and be singular in
this goal.
Mat 5:14 “YOU are the light of the world. It is impossible for a city
to be hidden on a mountain.
“I am the light”. Light is used as an analogy to explain the effects
of spirit. Smile and the world smiles with you is another axiom to
illustrate spirit. Spirit spreads and is infectious on all those
around you and so maintaining positive spirit must be our focus in the
now. The next recognition is, that YOU are the light and effect all
those around you by that light [positive spirit] within you. If you
are the light then no darkness [evil] can dwell inside of you but do
not delude yourself, light does not reside in the darkness.
Mat 5:16 “Let your light so shine before men, so that they see your
good works and praise your Father who is in the heavens.
Your good works do not including sitting around watching horror movies
and playing violent video games or singing evil lyrics that pollute
your being. If you focus on death and evil, you become darkness and
if you focus on goodness, you will become that goodness, it’s that
simple. Change the way you look at things and the things you look at
change.
The failure of most is the first recognition that all has been given
into YOUR hands.
Psa 82:6 I, I said, “You are elohim, And ALL of you are sons of the
Most High.
Psa 82:7 “But as men you die, And fall as one of the heads.”
You are the sovereign of your destiny for whom else but a sovereign
has authority to choose life and death?
Deu 30:19 “I have called the heavens and the earth as witnesses today
against you: I have set before you life and death, the blessing and
the curse. Therefore you shall choose life, so that you live, both you
and your seed,
If then, you have been delivered the choice; you have either passively
acted [subconsciously] on a choice of death in not choosing life or
not believed or worse still, lied to yourself.
Tony Robbins says, “If you do what you've always done, you'll get what
you've always gotten. A real decision is measured by the fact that
you've taken a new action. If there's no action, you haven't truly
decided. It is in your moments of decision that your destiny is
shaped.” And he is right.
Aldous Huxley says, “We protect our minds by an elaborate system of
abstractions, ambiguities, metaphors and similes from the reality we
do not wish to know too clearly; we lie to ourselves, in order that we
may still have the excuse of ignorance, the alibi of stupidity and
incomprehension, possessing which we can continue with a good
conscience to commit and tolerate the most monstrous crimes:
The poor wretch who has learned his only prayers From curses, who
knows scarcely words enough To ask a blessing from his Heavenly
Father, Becomes a fluent phraseman, absolute And technical in
victories and defeats, And all our dainty terms for fratricide; Terms
which we trundle smoothly o’er our tongues Like mere abstractions,
empty sounds to which We join no meaning and attach no form! As if the
soldier died without a wound: As if the fibers of this godlike frame
Were gored without a pang: as if the wretch Who fell in battle, doing
bloody deeds, Passed off to Heaven translated and not killed; As
though he had no wife to pine for him, No God to judge him.”
Stop telling lies to yourself and focus on the truth and this truth
will set you free.
Joh 8:32 and you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you
free.”
The lies we tell ourselves only work to keep up mired in self
delusion.
In conclusion, if these thoughts help you in any way, I’d like to ask
that you join our public forum at:
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/messianic_Yehoshua/
A public forum for those who believe.
Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
Be thou the rainbow in the storms of life. The evening beam that
smiles the clouds away, and tints tomorrow with prophetic ray.
Lord Byron
http://www.isr-messianic.org/ <- download the scriptures free
or
http://messianicyehoshua.googlegroups.com/web/RNKJV.zip <--free
download of the Restored Names King James Version
Life is a gift, and it offers us the privilege, opportunity, and
responsibility to give something back by becoming more.
Tony Robbins
Linda Lee
> I AM the Light.
Any 'light' in you is darkness because you do not follow the Messiah:
Matt. 6:23 "But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of
darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how
great is that darkness!"
John 8:12 "Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I AM THE LIGHT
of the world: HE THAT FOLLOWETH ME shall not walk in darkness, but
shall have the light of life."
1Jn 1:5, "This then is the message which we have heard of him, and
declare unto you, that GOD IS LIGHT, and in him is no darkness at
all."
John 9:5 the Messiah said, "As long as I am in the world, I am the
LIGHT of the world".
Joh 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
Joh 1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of THE LIGHT,
that all men through him might believe.
Joh 1:8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that
Light.
Joh 1:9 That was the TRUE LIGHT [God/Messiah], which lighteth every
man that cometh into the world.
Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the
world knew him not.
guardian Snow
> On Nov 24, 12:16 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
> > I AM the Light.
>
> Any 'light'
It's a shame that you didn't actually read the post. When you judge
another, you do not define them, you define yourself. Your own self
loathing becomes quickly apparent as you blame all those trying to
teach the truth. These people have painted a self fulfilled dark
future and not ours and that is what they resent.
Why do you expect to receive love when you wrongly accuse others? The
truth is we don't want it, even when it's offered and we demonstrate
that by accusing innocent people and pretending righteousness. I don’t
call you a fool but it's foolish to reject something you don't or
can’t understand. A person who won't read has no advantage over one
who can't read. This does not say you can't read but are you willing
to read?
“Adversity is the first path to truth.”
Lord Byron
The way of peace speaks to the appreciation of service and everyday
task and opening up your eyes to life around you by focusing on the
here and now, inside you. The components of anxiety, stress, fear, and
anger do not exist independently of you in the world. They simply do
not exist in the physical world, even though we talk about them as if
they do. Stop acting as if life is a rehearsal. Live this day as if it
were your last. The past is over and gone. The future is not
guaranteed. If you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've
always gotten.
Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
'Men have forgotten this truth,' said the fox. 'But you must not
forget it. You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed.'
And now here is my secret, a very simple secret; it is only with the
heart that one can see rightly, what is essential is invisible to the
eye.
Antoine de Saint-Exupery
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/messianic_Yehoshua/
A public forum for those who believe.
Linda Lee
> On Nov 25, 4:58 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 24, 12:16 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
> > > I AM the Light.
>
Any 'light' in you is darkness because you do not follow the Messiah:
>
> It's a shame that
I read it, and I had my own point. You began with “Great leaders are
almost always great simplifiers", but they do NOT simplify a subject
to the point they've eliminated key elements. This is what you do with
the Scriptures. God as the Saviour is the point of the Scriptures, and
you have eliminated that key element. All mankind was fallen and God
formed the Israelites to bring light to the Gentiles. The point of the
prophesies in the Hebrew Scriptures was to announce God's intent to
act as fallen mankind's Saviour, and the New Testament brings the Good
News that God fulfilled his promises (that is why the Messiah's
teachings are called the 'gospel' meaning the 'good news').
Now "are YOU willing to read?" or will you continue to ignore the
Hebrew Scriptures that reveal God as the Saviour? I would bet that you
are unwilling to read and will read no further because your mind and
eyes are closed, and you prefer being blind and do not want to see.
Psa 2:11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
Psa 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way,
when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put
their trust in him.
WHY will God be angry and cause us to perish if we do not love the Son
of God who would come to us? Why are those who put their trust in the
Son of God "Blessed"? Because God would be the Son of God in the
flesh as a Son of Man - SON signifying a male human being.
GOD SPEAKS OF FUTURE GENERATION'S REACTION TO REALIZING GOD HAD BEEN
THE MESSIAH AND SAVIOUR:
Zec 12:10 "And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the
inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications:
and they shall look upon ME WHOM THEY HAVE PIERCED, and they shall
mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in
bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn".
PROPHESY OF THE MESSIAH
Isa 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse
[David's father], and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
Isa 11:2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit
of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the
spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
Isa 11:3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the
LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither
reprove after the hearing of his ears:
Isa 11:4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove
with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth
with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he
slay the wicked.
Isa 11:5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and
faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
Isa 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard
shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the
fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall
lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
Isa 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and
the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for
the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters
cover the sea.
Isa 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall
stand for an ENSIGN of the people; to it shall the Gentiles SEEK: and
his rest shall be glorious.
SEEK - Heb. 1875 - "A primitive root; properly to tread or frequent;
usually to follow (for pursuit or search); by implication to seek or
ask; SPECIFICALLY TO WORSHIP".
An "ensign" is a sign intended to draw or assemble people. The
Gentiles would worship God through the "ensign" of the man whose name
is the Branch; Yahashua` the Messiah, the "true Light" that is God.
Isa 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my
servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved
of Israel: I will also give thee for a LIGHT TO THE GENTILES, that
thou mayest be my SALVATION unto the end of the earth.
Isa 49:7 Thus saith the LORD, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy
One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a
servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall
worship, because of the LORD that is faithful, and the Holy One of
Israel, and he shall choose thee.
Isa 49:8 Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard
thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will
preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to
establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;
Isa 49:9 That thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them
that are in darkness, Shew yourselves. They shall feed in the ways,
and their pastures shall be in all high places.
guardian Snow
> > It's a shame that you didn't read the post.
>
> I read it, and I had my own point. You began with “Great leaders are
> almost always great simplifiers", but they do NOT simplify a subject
> to the point they've eliminated key elements.
You should read past the first sentence then.. excuse me. At this
point you are no longer worth bothering with.
jos boersema
On 2009-11-25, guardian Snow <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote:
> On Nov 26, 1:10?am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>> > It's a shame that you didn't read the post.
>>
>> almost always great simplifiers", but they do NOT simplify a subject
>> to the point they've eliminated key elements.
>
> You should read past the first sentence then.. excuse me. At this
> point you are no longer worth bothering with.
Why don't you all ponder this simplification for a while:
- We are all in favor of democracy now ? Only e sector of the jesusfollower
fringe is still in favor of dictatorship ?
But if we are in favor of state democracy, then why do we not
support company democracy as much ? Is a company not a group of
people ? Don't they deserve the substance of democracy in their
every day live ? Aren't they ... human ?
Here another great simplification for you:
Original: do not rent money on interest to a brother.
I would simplify that as following:
Do not rent money on interest to a brother.
Brilliant ? Thought so !
--
http://www.jhwh.be
Linda Lee
Really? Just YESTERDAY you were telling me I was "a very intelligent
lady" (http://groups.google.com/group/alt.bible.prophecy/msg/
7c8abfb6613a0096 ). Your manipulation didn't work, huh, Snowjob?
AS ALWAYS, you are a hypocrite, Devil-boy. I TOLD you I read it,
Snowjob, and my comment was on the beginning of it. Perhaps you would
prefer next time, I correct all of your mistakes, not just one. I
knew, being the hypocrite that you are, even though you said "are are
willing to read?", YOU would continue to ignore the Hebrew Scriptures
that reveal God as the Saviour and would remain unwilling to read and
would not read the Scriptures provided for you because your mind and
eyes are closed, and you prefer being blind and do not want to see.
Matt. 23:15-16 "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for
ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye
make him twofold more the child of HELL than yourselves. Woe unto you,
ye blind guides".
But then again, you can't even find one convert (proselyte). The one
who appeared to be so for a time turned out to be just a psychotic God-
hater who thinks he is in a position to judge God, defends evil,
believing God is wrong to punish and eradicate evil, and routinely
pretends to be a recently converted believer on the newsgroups. Guess
the joke was on you.
Rod
> almost always great simplifiers", but they do NOT simplify a subject
> to the point they've eliminated key elements. This is what you do with
> the Scriptures. God as the Saviour is the point of the Scriptures, and
> you have eliminated that key element. All mankind was fallen and God
> formed the Israelites to bring light to the Gentiles. The point of the
> prophesies in the Hebrew Scriptures was to announce God's intent to
> act as fallen mankind's Saviour, and the New Testament brings the Good
> News that God fulfilled his promises (that is why the Messiah's
> teachings are called the 'gospel' meaning the 'good news').
>
>
> Now "are YOU willing to read?" or will you continue to ignore the
> Hebrew Scriptures that reveal God as the Saviour? I would bet that you
> are unwilling to read and will read no further because your mind and
> eyes are closed, and you prefer being blind and do not want to see.
>
>
> Psa 2:11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
> Psa 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way,
> when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put
> their trust in him.
>
> WHY will God be angry and cause us to perish if we do not love the Son
> of God who would come to us? Why are those who put their trust in the
> Son of God "Blessed"? Because God would be the Son of God in the
> flesh as a Son of Man - SON signifying a male human being.
Psa 2:1 Why do the nations rage, And the peoples meditate a vain thing?
Psa 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, And the rulers take
counsel together, Against Jehovah, and against his anointed, saying,
Psa 2:3 Let us break their bonds asunder, And cast away their cords
from us.
Psa 2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens will laugh: The Lord will have
them in derision.
Psa 2:5 Then will he speak unto them in his wrath, And vex them in his
sore displeasure:
Psa 2:6 Yet I have set my king Upon my holy hill of Zion.
Psa 2:7 I will tell of the decree: Jehovah said unto me, Thou art my
son; This day have I begotten thee.
Psa 2:8 Ask of me, and I will give thee the nations for thine
inheritance, And the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Psa 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; Thou shalt dash them
in pieces like a potter's vessel.
Psa 2:10 Now therefore be wise, O ye kings: Be instructed, ye judges of
the earth.
Psa 2:11 Serve Jehovah with fear, And rejoice with trembling.
Psa 2:12 Kiss the son, lest he be angry, and ye perish in the way, For
his wrath will soon be kindled. Blessed are all they that take refuge in
him.
It pretty much means, serve me or I'll kill you.
As I said, a PSYCHOPATH......
guardian Snow
> It pretty much means, serve me or I'll kill you.
>
> As I said, a PSYCHOPATH......
If anybody wanted proof that Christianity isn’t worth the toilet paper
they print bibles on, one need only examine the behavior of self
proclaimed “Christian” Linda Lee. It’s officially over a year now
this person has posted hateful messages to me, congrats are in order
for my mentally deranged stalker for be the most persistent demonic
influence I have ever met.
While the morally ambivalent and self righteous Christians have
cheered her on such as VERA of Christianlife posting or the literally
hundreds of others like Vince that never actually say, “It’s wrong
Linda to stalk and post hateful messages day in and day out.”
This is because they don’t care! A Christian will not piss on your
head to save you from a fire, they will not lift a finger for anybody
they disagree with. Let’s face it, the dogma is so messed up that it
actually teaches them to pretend they are righteous simply because
they believe it, not because they are.
Unless you toe the party line in Christianity, as a collective of
people, they have no righteousness and love evil, strife and hatred of
anybody they don’t agree with, which is usually each other as we see
looking across the many post they spew venom at each other day in and
day out.
This is Christanity, do not be righteous.. say the imaginary Roman
demon Jesus is your righteousness and your deity or face abuse.
Reality is there never was a Jesus and any person that was not brain
dead knows this fact. There was a Jewish Messiah named Yehoshua
according to Zechariah 6 11-12, but he comes to establish the church
of YAHWEH, the Jewish deity, not his own. Yehoshua said:
Mat 7:15 “But beware of the false prophets,1 who come to you in
sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are savage wolves. Footnote: 1See
v. 23
Mat 7:16 “By their fruits you shall know them. Are grapes gathered
from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
We can all take a look around these many threads of Christianity and
see the thornbushes and there are many… a person needs only open there
eyes to take a look around and realize that Christianity is pure 100
percent unadulterated garbage worth only being tossed on the ash heap
of history.
No… in the year that I have put up with attacks by Linda.. not a
single Christian has publically posted to Linda and in fact the only
person that has said anything to her is somebody who isn’t even sure
of his own faith, Rod.
Ike, another Christian demon is just as bad as Linda and I have tried
to encourage him to stop adding fuel to her hatred but it seems he
blocks me, so I don’t bother.
I find that Christianity on the whole is worthless brainwashing that
only serves self deluded people into giving false praise to a non-
existent deity. I am proud to say, I AM NOT CHRISTIAN and I want
nothing to do with them… so why do I post to “Christian” boards?
Because I want to bring the few intelligent people that haven’t been
brainwashed out of this false dogma and help them recognize the truth
that the Messiah Yehoshua did preach:
Mat 5:20 “For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds
that of the scribes and Pharisees,1 you shall by no means enter into
the reign of the heavens.
That you do need to be righteous and you do need to do what is right
and you do need to stand up for people even if you don’t agree with
them for the sake of peace. I am not against the Messiah’s teachings
or against scriptures, I am against the brain dead lot that waste
their lives attacking each other over pettiness trying to say there
deity is bigger than another deity. I am against the stupidity of
their dogma that isn’t supported by the teachings of the Messiah and
they know this… they know this deep in their hearts but they continue
to lie to themselves.
Aldous Huxley says, “We protect our minds by an elaborate system of
abstractions, ambiguities, metaphors and similes from the reality we
do not wish to know too clearly; we lie to ourselves, in order that we
may still have the excuse of ignorance, the alibi of stupidity and
incomprehension, possessing which we can continue with a good
conscience to commit and tolerate the most monstrous crimes”
Their crimes are idol words that they will be judged by.
Mat 12:36 “And I say to you that for every idle word men speak, they
shall give an account of it in the day of judgment.”
Until Christians actually practice what they preach, they are a
worthless lot dwelling on a false dogma where they claim to believe
the Messiah and disregard every word he teaches using false apostle
Paul.
Rod
> On Nov 26, 7:22 am, Rod <spa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> It pretty much means, serve me or I'll kill you.
>>
>> As I said, a PSYCHOPATH......
>
> they print bibles on, one need only examine the behavior of self
> this person has posted hateful messages to me, congrats are in order
> for my mentally deranged stalker for be the most persistent demonic
> influence I have ever met.
>
> While the morally ambivalent and self righteous Christians have
> cheered her on such as VERA of Christianlife posting or the literally
> Linda to stalk and post hateful messages day in and day out.�
>
> This is because they don�t care! A Christian will not piss on your
> head to save you from a fire, they will not lift a finger for anybody
> actually teaches them to pretend they are righteous simply because
> they believe it, not because they are.
>
> Unless you toe the party line in Christianity, as a collective of
> people, they have no righteousness and love evil, strife and hatred of
> looking across the many post they spew venom at each other day in and
> day out.
>
> This is Christanity, do not be righteous.. say the imaginary Roman
> demon Jesus is your righteousness and your deity or face abuse.
>
> Reality is there never was a Jesus and any person that was not brain
> dead knows this fact. There was a Jewish Messiah named Yehoshua
> according to Zechariah 6 11-12, but he comes to establish the church
> of YAHWEH, the Jewish deity, not his own. Yehoshua said:
>
> sheep�s clothing, but inwardly they are savage wolves. Footnote: 1See
> v. 23
> Mat 7:16 �By their fruits you shall know them. Are grapes gathered
> from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
>
> We can all take a look around these many threads of Christianity and
> eyes to take a look around and realize that Christianity is pure 100
> percent unadulterated garbage worth only being tossed on the ash heap
> of history.
>
> single Christian has publically posted to Linda and in fact the only
> of his own faith, Rod.
>
> Ike, another Christian demon is just as bad as Linda and I have tried
> to encourage him to stop adding fuel to her hatred but it seems he
>
> I find that Christianity on the whole is worthless brainwashing that
> only serves self deluded people into giving false praise to a non-
> existent deity. I am proud to say, I AM NOT CHRISTIAN and I want
> Because I want to bring the few intelligent people that haven�t been
> brainwashed out of this false dogma and help them recognize the truth
> that the Messiah Yehoshua did preach:
>
> that of the scribes and Pharisees,1 you shall by no means enter into
> the reign of the heavens.
>
> That you do need to be righteous and you do need to do what is right
> them for the sake of peace. I am not against the Messiah�s teachings
> or against scriptures, I am against the brain dead lot that waste
> their lives attacking each other over pettiness trying to say there
> deity is bigger than another deity. I am against the stupidity of
> they know this� they know this deep in their hearts but they continue
> to lie to themselves.
>
> Aldous Huxley says, �We protect our minds by an elaborate system of
> abstractions, ambiguities, metaphors and similes from the reality we
> do not wish to know too clearly; we lie to ourselves, in order that we
> may still have the excuse of ignorance, the alibi of stupidity and
> incomprehension, possessing which we can continue with a good
>
> Their crimes are idol words that they will be judged by.
>
> shall give an account of it in the day of judgment.�
>
> Until Christians actually practice what they preach, they are a
> worthless lot dwelling on a false dogma where they claim to believe
> the Messiah and disregard every word he teaches using false apostle
> Paul.
>
>
with a religion or faith of any kind for any reason.
I've seen all I need to see of religion.
singin4free
> guardian Snow wrote:
> > On Nov 26, 7:22 am, Rod <spa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> It pretty much means, serve me or I'll kill you.
>
> >> As I said, a PSYCHOPATH......
>
> > they print bibles on, one need only examine the behavior of self
> > this person has posted hateful messages to me, congrats are in order
> > for my mentally deranged stalker for be the most persistent demonic
> > influence I have ever met.
>
> > While the morally ambivalent and self righteous Christians have
> > cheered her on such as VERA of Christianlife posting or the literally
> > Linda to stalk and post hateful messages day in and day out.”
>
> > head to save you from a fire, they will not lift a finger for anybody
> > actually teaches them to pretend they are righteous simply because
> > they believe it, not because they are.
>
> > Unless you toe the party line in Christianity, as a collective of
> > people, they have no righteousness and love evil, strife and hatred of
> > looking across the many post they spew venom at each other day in and
> > day out.
>
> > This is Christanity, do not be righteous.. say the imaginary Roman
> > demon Jesus is your righteousness and your deity or face abuse.
>
> > Reality is there never was a Jesus and any person that was not brain
> > dead knows this fact. There was a Jewish Messiah named Yehoshua
> > according to Zechariah 6 11-12, but he comes to establish the church
> > of YAHWEH, the Jewish deity, not his own. Yehoshua said:
>
> > sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are savage wolves. Footnote: 1See
> > v. 23
> > Mat 7:16 “By their fruits you shall know them. Are grapes gathered
> > from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
>
> > We can all take a look around these many threads of Christianity and
> > eyes to take a look around and realize that Christianity is pure 100
> > percent unadulterated garbage worth only being tossed on the ash heap
> > of history.
>
> > single Christian has publically posted to Linda and in fact the only
> > of his own faith, Rod.
>
> > Ike, another Christian demon is just as bad as Linda and I have tried
> > to encourage him to stop adding fuel to her hatred but it seems he
>
> > I find that Christianity on the whole is worthless brainwashing that
> > only serves self deluded people into giving false praise to a non-
> > existent deity. I am proud to say, I AM NOT CHRISTIAN and I want
> > Because I want to bring the few intelligent people that haven’t been
> > brainwashed out of this false dogma and help them recognize the truth
> > that the Messiah Yehoshua did preach:
>
> > that of the scribes and Pharisees,1 you shall by no means enter into
> > the reign of the heavens.
>
> > That you do need to be righteous and you do need to do what is right
> > them for the sake of peace. I am not against the Messiah’s teachings
> > or against scriptures, I am against the brain dead lot that waste
> > their lives attacking each other over pettiness trying to say there
> > deity is bigger than another deity. I am against the stupidity of
> > they know this… they know this deep in their hearts but they continue
> > to lie to themselves.
>
> > Aldous Huxley says, “We protect our minds by an elaborate system of
> > abstractions, ambiguities, metaphors and similes from the reality we
> > do not wish to know too clearly; we lie to ourselves, in order that we
> > may still have the excuse of ignorance, the alibi of stupidity and
> > incomprehension, possessing which we can continue with a good
>
> > Their crimes are idol words that they will be judged by.
>
> > shall give an account of it in the day of judgment.”
>
> > Until Christians actually practice what they preach, they are a
> > worthless lot dwelling on a false dogma where they claim to believe
> > the Messiah and disregard every word he teaches using false apostle
> > Paul.
>
> I agree, but having said that..I want nothing to do
> with a religion or faith of any kind for any reason.
>
> I've seen all I need to see of religion.
The proof is the risen Christ, not the behavior of fallible humans. He
is both the Savior and the final Judge. I understand how it feels to
be disappointed by friends and to be betrayed by others who name the
name of Christ. But my faith is not in them, it is in the living
Yeshua. If we place our faith in people, we will always find faults
and it will cause our own faith to fail. If a person (not necessarily
you, though you are included) will come to Jesus (not religion), he
will not be disappointed as Peter said, quoting Isaiah 28:16:
"Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture, 'Behold, I lay in
Zion
A chief cornerstone, elect, precious, and he who believes on Him will
by no means be put to shame.' (1 Pet 2:6).
So, those who put their trust in people will be disappointed, but
those who trust in the Cornerstone laid by God himself, Christ, will
never be disappointed. Let us then not toss out the Truth sent down
from heaven by God because people have let us down, mistreated us or
acted with hypocrisy. Christ the gentle Lamb of God gave his life for
our sins so that we can be born into eternal life. It is him that we
should seek and he will never disappoint us.
That said, there is a people of God on this earth, His church, paid
for with the precious blood of the Messiah, who are Living Stones
built together as a house for God, in whom the Spirit dwells.
"Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy
priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by
Jesus Christ." (1 Peter 2:5)
As Jesus said, the gates of hell shall not prevail against his people
(the church, or spiritual assembly of all true born again believers in
Jesus who ever lived, not a man-made organization), nor will the
Accuser be able to utter words of venom forever, as it says:
" I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, “Now the salvation, the
power, and the Kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Christ has
come; for the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down, who
accuses them before our God day and night." (Rev 12:10)
It is time to seek God, not religion or people. Isaiah said:
Isa 55:6 Seek Yahweh while he may be found; call you on him while he
is near:
Isa 55:7 let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his
thoughts; and let him return to Yahweh, and he will have mercy on him;
and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
Isa 55:8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways
my ways,” says Yahweh.
Isa 55:9 “For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways,
and my thoughts than your thoughts.
He offers us real promises, not the empty promises of fallible people.
calls out to everyone, "Come". This is a free gift he is offering,
reconciliation in Yeshua, and grace, like the mercies he showed to
David, when he promised him he would never reject him even if he
chastised him.
Isa 55:1 “Come, everyone who thirsts, to the waters! Come, he who has
no money, buy, and eat! Yes, come, buy wine and milk without money and
without price.
Isa 55:2 Why do you spend money for that which is not bread? and your
labor for that which doesn’t satisfy? listen diligently to me, and eat
you that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness.
Isa 55:3 Turn your ear, and come to me; hear, and your soul shall
live: and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure
mercies of David.
You can know this very moment that you have eternal life, by calling
upon the name of Yeshua, Jesus Christ the Messiah. If you believe with
all your hear that he is Lord of all and that God has raised him from
the dead, you will be saved. That is what Paul said:
Rom 10:8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth,
and in your heart”; that is, the word of faith, which we preach:
Rom 10:9 that if you will confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord,
and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will
be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart, one believes unto righteousness; and
with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes in him will not be
disappointed.”
So you see, God will not disappoint you, even though people will. That
is why faith in God is like being on a rock. The floods may come but
you are safe on the rock. Trusting in human frailty is like building a
house on the sand.
Psa 27:5 For in the day of trouble he will keep me secretly in his
pavilion.
In the covert of his tabernacle he will hide me.
He will lift me up on a rock.
And the words of Jesus are a sure rock for us, so that when we abide
in them we know we are safe:
Mat 7:24 “Everyone therefore who hears these words of mine, and does
them, I will liken him to a wise man, who built his house on a rock.
Mat 7:25 The rain came down, the floods came, and the winds blew, and
beat on that house; and it didn’t fall, for it was founded on the
rock.
Mat 7:26 Everyone who hears these words of mine, and doesn’t do them
will be like a foolish man, who built his house on the sand.
Mat 7:27 The rain came down, the floods came, and the winds blew, and
beat on that house; and it fell—and great was its fall.”
If we turn away from the words of Jesus we are walking away from the
safety of the Rock and into the storm and the floods. But if we put
our trust in him we know that we have eternal life. You can know that
you have eternal life. John told us:
1Jn 5:13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of
the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that
you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.
Why would I make this appeal to you? I have nothing to gain. I don't
know you and I want nothing for myself. But I do believe you are not
wanting to be lost but saved. So please, cry out to Jesus today. No
one else ever needs to know but you and God. I hope you will do that
and find that he is the thing you are hoping for. And I will pray for
you too.
guardian Snow
> The proof is the risen Christ, not the behavior of fallible humans.
Jas 1:25 But he that looked into the perfect Torah, that of freedom,
and continues in it, not becoming a hearer that forgets, but a doer of
work, this one shall be blessed in his doing of the Torah.
Christians always use this excuse to explain why they are Nazi's. You
quote bible passages but never, ever put the works into action.
Jas 4:11 Brothers, do not speak against one another. He that speaks
against a brother and judges his brother, speaks against Torah and
judges Torah. And if you judge Torah, you are not a doer of Torah but
a judge.
Christians are judges, not doers. They quote the scriptures to attack
people not put it into practice.
Mat 7:24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine, and does
them, shall be like a wise man who built his house on the rock,
guardian Snow
> > Mat 12:36 “And I say to you that for every idle word men speak, they
> > shall give an account of it in the day of judgment.”
>
> > Until Christians actually practice what they preach, they are a
> > worthless lot dwelling on a false dogma where they claim to believe
> > the Messiah and disregard every word he teaches using false apostle
> > Paul.
>
> I agree, but having said that..I want nothing to do
> with a religion or faith of any kind for any reason.
>
> I've seen all I need to see of religion.
Learn from actions and deeds, not dogma my friend. Everyday you are
given a choice and I am taught to respect your choice and still love
you.
Linda Lee
> On Nov 26, 7:22 am, Rod <spa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > It pretty much means, serve me or I'll kill you.
>
> > As I said, a PSYCHOPATH......
>
(I guess you just didn't notice that Rod is saying YHWH is a
"PSYCHOPATH"?)
> If anybody wanted proof that Christianity isn’t worth the toilet paper
> they print bibles on,
Where's that respect you claim for others' beliefs, HYPOCRITE?
> one need only examine the behavior of self
> proclaimed “Christian” Linda Lee. It’s officially over a year now
> this person has posted hateful messages to me, congrats are in order
> for my mentally deranged stalker for be the most persistent demonic
> influence I have ever met.
>
> While the morally ambivalent and self righteous Christians have
> cheered her on such as VERA of Christianlife posting or the literally
> hundreds of others like Vince that never actually say, “It’s wrong
> Linda to stalk and post hateful messages day in and day out.”
>
> This is because they don’t care! A Christian will not piss on your
> head to save you from a fire, they will not lift a finger for anybody
> they disagree with. Let’s face it, the dogma is so messed up that it
> actually teaches them to pretend they are righteous simply because
> they believe it, not because they are.
And are you (who call me whore and witch, and for months followed me
around claiming I was a murderer because I voted for Obama) claiming
YOU are "righteous", you damned HYPOCRITE? You really are a lying
child of the Devil.
>
> Unless you toe the party line in Christianity, as a collective of
> people, they have no righteousness and love evil, strife and hatred of
> anybody they don’t agree with, which is usually each other as we see
> looking across the many post they spew venom at each other day in and
> day out.
>
> This is Christanity, do not be righteous.. say the imaginary Roman
> demon Jesus is your righteousness and your deity or face abuse.
>
> Reality is there never was a Jesus and any person that was not brain
> dead knows this fact. There was a Jewish Messiah named Yehoshua
> according to Zechariah 6 11-12, but he comes to establish the church
> of YAHWEH, the Jewish deity, not his own.
You really are a lying devil. In Revelation the church is married to
"the Lamb"/Christ, so how do you get he didn't come to establish his
own church? YHWH and Christ are one and the same; the church is the
bride of Christ, and God is the husband of believers.
> Yehoshua said:
>
> Mat 7:15 “But beware of the false prophets,1 who come to you in
> sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are savage wolves.
That is YOU, you blind hypocrite, and I see you've ripped off your
peaceful "sheep's clothing" in this post for the purpose of spitting
out your blind hatred of Christ, Christians, and Christianity.
> realize that Christianity is pure 100
> percent unadulterated garbage worth only being tossed on the ash heap
> of history.
And you wonder why you, poor baby, are entitled an antichrist.
>
> No… in the year that I have put up with attacks by Linda..
You are such a hypocritical jackass. Do you really think people have
not noticed your own "attacks" claiming whore, murderer, witch?
> not a
> single Christian has publically posted to Linda
Did it ever occur to you that they don't like your daily attacks on
Christ and want you to SHUT UP?
> and in fact the only
> person that has said anything to her is somebody who isn’t even sure
> of his own faith, Rod.
Oh, he's sure, Snowjob; he says his belief is that God is a psychopath
and admits pretending otherwise. You two have a lot in common; he
hates God and you hate Christ.
>
> Ike, another Christian demon is just as bad as Linda and I have tried
> to encourage him to stop adding fuel to her hatred but it seems he
> blocks me, so I don’t bother.
So now you're including your buddy Ike in your hatred, claiming Ike is
a "Christian demon"? It is yet another of your lies that you have
EVER criticized him about posting to me. You are only claiming you
have because you want to pitch a fit here that Christians don't defend
YOU, antichrist. You're so transparent, you manipulative hypocrite.
>
> I find that Christianity on the whole is worthless brainwashing that
> only serves self deluded people into giving false praise to a non-
> existent deity.
MORE ANTICHRIST CLAPTRAP FROM THE SPIRITUALLY DEAD ANTICHRIST SNOWJOB.
> I am proud to say, I AM NOT CHRISTIAN and I want
> nothing to do with them…
> so why do I post to “Christian” boards?
Because you are an ANTICHRIST.
> Because I want to bring the few intelligent people that haven’t been
> brainwashed out of this false dogma and help them recognize the truth
> that the Messiah Yehoshua did preach:
Speaking of the truth Yahashua` the Messiah preached; you are deaf,
dumb, and blind to the truth (not hearing, nor speaking, nor seeing
the truth); the Messiah said he is "the way, the truth, and the life:
no man cometh unto the Father, but by me" (John 14:6). So how do you
expect to come to "the Father", antichrist?
>
> Mat 5:20 “For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds
> that of the scribes and Pharisees,1 you shall by no means enter into
> the reign of the heavens.
>
> That you do need to be righteous and you do need to do what is right
> and you do need to stand up for people even if you don’t agree with
> them for the sake of peace. I am not against the Messiah’s teachings
> or against scriptures, I am against the brain dead lot that waste
> their lives attacking each other over pettiness trying to say there
> deity is bigger than another deity. I am against the stupidity of
> their dogma that isn’t supported by the teachings of the Messiah and
> they know this… they know this deep in their hearts but they continue
> to lie to themselves.
I know deep in my heart that you're a lying hypocrite who hates Christ
and Christians.
>
> Their crimes are idol words that they will be judged by.
That's IDLE, you damn MORON.
>
> Mat 12:36 “And I say to you that for every idle word men speak, they
> shall give an account of it in the day of judgment.”
>
And following your diatribe here, you're back to pretending with your
NAUSEATING HYPOCRISY, posting to Rod, "Everyday you are given a choice
and I am taught to respect your choice". You have shown no respect
for the belief of Christians in your vicious attack here and reveal
yourself as the DEVIL and ANTICHRIST that you have always been.
guardian Snow
> > Mat 12:36 “And I say to you that for every idle word men speak, they
> > shall give an account of it in the day of judgment.”
>
> And following your diatribe here, you're back to pretending with your
> NAUSEATING HYPOCRISY, posting to Rod, "Everyday you are given a choice
> and I am taught to respect your choice". You have shown no respect
> for the belief of Christians in your vicious attack here and reveal
> yourself as the DEVIL and ANTICHRIST that you have always been.
Why should I respect people like you who stalk me accuse me, judge me,
hate me and then use scriptures to claim you are somehow righteous
when clearly the real problem is your mental state of telling lies to
yourself that "HeZeus Krishna" has anything to do with your behavior
today?
Your religion neither makes you a better person, it does nothing to
help other people and the reality is that your just a sick twisted
delusion person dreaming up some fairy princess that saves you from
having to face the reality of what you really are... you lie to
yourself.
Linda Lee
> On Nov 26, 2:24 pm, singin4free <jffry...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The proof is the risen Christ, not the behavior of fallible humans.
>
> Jas 1:25 But he that looked into the perfect Torah, that of freedom,
> and continues in it, not becoming a hearer that forgets, but a doer of
> work, this one shall be blessed in his doing of the Torah.
>
> Christians always use this excuse to explain why they are Nazi's.
> You quote bible passages but never, ever put the works into action.
>
> Jas 4:11 Brothers, do not speak against one another. He that speaks
> against a brother and judges his brother, speaks against Torah and
> judges Torah. And if you judge Torah, you are not a doer of Torah but
> a judge.
You have just called Christians "Nazi's" (and by the way, there is no
apostrophe used there, duh), and then you quote a scripture saying "do
not speak against one another". You must really be stupid as well as
BLIND that you do not see your own hypocrisy, which is evident in
every one of your posts.
>
> Christians are judges, not doers.
Snowjob, you hypocrite, you are judging all Christians in this
thread. Who are YOU to act as the judge of all Christians?
> They quote the scriptures to attack
> people not put it into practice.
And the hypocrite doesn't notice (or doesn't think others will notice)
that in this post he has quoted the scriptures to attack people.
>
> Mat 7:24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine, and does
> them, shall be like a wise man who built his house on the rock,
Snowjob, it just proves how delusional you are that you think
Christians would or should defend you, who posts day and night
(literally) against belief in Christ, when you are exposed for the
hypocrite, devil child, and antichrist that you are.
guardian Snow
> On Nov 26, 9:19 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > Snowjob, you hypocrite, you are judging all Christians in this
> > thread. Who are YOU to act as the judge of all Christians?
>
the tree rotten and its fruit rotten, for a tree is known by its
fruit.
You're only worth ignoring.. :p
vince garcia
>
> On Nov 26, 7:22 am, Rod <spa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > It pretty much means, serve me or I'll kill you.
> >
> > As I said, a PSYCHOPATH......
>
> If anybody wanted proof that Christianity isn�t worth the toilet paper
> they print bibles on, one need only examine the behavior of self
> proclaimed �Christian� Linda Lee. It�s officially over a year now
> this person has posted hateful messages to me, congrats are in order
> for my mentally deranged stalker for be the most persistent demonic
> influence I have ever met.
>
> While the morally ambivalent and self righteous Christians have
> cheered her on such as VERA of Christianlife posting or the literally
> hundreds of others like Vince that never actually say, �It�s wrong
By a fluke, I happened to catch this dumb post.
Excuse me--seems you give as good to her as she gives to you!
Didn't she accuse you of steling some some of her posts, and claiming
them as your own, or rewriting them? There was something like that I
remember her angry about recently.
So why do you hold yourself up as so wronged by Linda when you do just
as bad? All that is apart from YOUR daily rudeness to her.
Yes, we know, and we keep warning you your fate is to be with the other
non-christians in hell, but like every deceived person, you don't
believe and don't care.
Deception wouldn't be deception if you weren't deceived
Donna Kupp
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It is futile for a cracked-pot to criticize the potter.
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Linda Lee
You have no excuses for your babble.
By the way, if you really don't like being identified as a hypocrite
and an antichrist, you can solve that problem now by ceasing your
incessant blatant hypocrisy and abandoning your demonically fueled
campaign against Christ and Christianity. You won't and can't,
because you ARE wholly a hypocrite and an antichrist.
guardian Snow
Your so funny Linda. I AM sovereign of my destiny because I know
something you don't....
Isa 45:19 “I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth.
I have not said to the seed of Yaʽaqoḇ, ‘Seek Me in vain.’ I am יהוה,
speaking righteousness, declaring matters that are straight.
Isa 45:20 “Gather yourselves and come; draw near together, you who
have escaped from the gentiles. No knowledge have they who are lifting
up the wood of their carved image, and pray to a mighty one that does
not save.
Isa 45:21 “Declare and bring near, let them even take counsel
together. Who has announced this from of old? Who has declared it from
that time? Is it not I, יהוה? And there is no mighty one besides Me, a
righteous Ěl and a Saviour, there is none besides Me.
Isa 45:22 “Turn to Me and be saved, all you ends of the earth! For I
am Ěl, and there is none else.
Isa 45:23 “I have sworn by Myself, a word has gone out of My mouth in
righteousness, and shall not return, so that to Me every knee shall
bow, every tongue swear.
Isa 45:24 “One shall say, ‘Only in יהוה do I have righteousness and
strength’ – he comes to Him. And all those displeased with Him shall
be put to shame.
Isa 45:25 “In יהוה all the seed of Yisra’ĕl shall be declared right
and boast. ”
guardian Snow
> So why do you hold yourself up as so wronged by Linda when you do just
> as bad? All that is apart from YOUR daily rudeness to her.
Is it rude? So what do you mean "just as bad"... as what?
Rod
There is a term for people like yourself Donna;
acceptable casualties.
Linda Lee
Actually Snowjob, I don't do "just as bad" as you do who have called
me "Jezebel" and "whore" and encouraged Rod to call me every other
filthy name applied to women. I am aware of filthy names men can be
called too, and even though I think all of them apply to you, I don't
call you any of them. I just point out the flaws in your warped
interpretation of the Scriptures and what a lying hypocrite and
antichrist that you are; you set yourself up for that when you post
your provocative anti-Christ garbage in a Christian newsgroup.
And yes, you are a thief-plagiarist, as well, but I suppose that is a
necessary evil for someone like you who likely never had an original
thought in your life.
Linda Lee
> On Nov 26, 11:25 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 26, 6:12 am, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 26, 10:06 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:> On Nov 26, 9:19 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Snowjob, you hypocrite, you are judging all Christians in this
> > > > > thread. Who are YOU to act as the judge of all Christians?
>
> > > Mat 12:33 “Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or else make
> > > the tree rotten and its fruit rotten, for a tree is known by its
> > > fruit.
>
> > > You're only worth ignoring.. :p
>
> > You have no excuses for your babble.
>
> > By the way, if you really don't like being identified as a hypocrite
> > and an antichrist, you can solve that problem now by ceasing your
> > incessant blatant hypocrisy and abandoning your demonically fueled
> > campaign against Christ and Christianity. You won't and can't,
> > because you ARE wholly a hypocrite and an antichrist.
>
> Your so funny Linda.
You're funny too, Snowjob. I guess you will NEVER master English
contractions; more evidence of your ignorance and inability to learn.
> I AM sovereign of my destiny because I know
> something you don't....
>
> Isa 45:19 “I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth.
> I have not said to the seed of Yaʽaqoḇ, ‘Seek Me in vain.’ I am יהוה,
> speaking righteousness, declaring matters that are straight.
> Isa 45:20 “Gather yourselves and come; draw near together, you who
> have escaped from the gentiles. No knowledge have they who are lifting
> up the wood of their carved image, and pray to a mighty one that does
> not save.
> Isa 45:21 “Declare and bring near, let them even take counsel
> together. Who has announced this from of old? Who has declared it from
> that time? Is it not I, יהוה? And there is no mighty one besides Me, a
> righteous Ěl and a Saviour, there is none besides Me.
> Isa 45:22 “Turn to Me and be saved, all you ends of the earth! For I
> am Ěl, and there is none else.
> Isa 45:23 “I have sworn by Myself, a word has gone out of My mouth in
> righteousness, and shall not return, so that to Me every knee shall
> bow, every tongue swear.
> Isa 45:24 “One shall say, ‘Only in יהוה do I have righteousness and
> strength’ – he comes to Him. And all those displeased with Him shall
> be put to shame.
> Isa 45:25 “In יהוה all the seed of Yisra’ĕl shall be declared right
> and boast. ”
Actually I do know that Scripture, Snowjob, and it is true that God is
the only Saviour.
What you fail to realize is that the modern beliefs of the Jews do not
define the ancient beliefs of the Jews, and the Hebrew prophets
prophesied that God would appear on the Earth as the Saviour and their
Messiah. Even the modern-day Jews realize this was what was prophesied
(and expect it, but fail to realize God's appearance has already
occurred), saying in 'The Jewish Encyclopedia' the following:
"The "Spirit of God" which "moved upon the face of the waters" (Gen.
i. 2) is the spirit of the Messiah (Gen. R. viii. 1; comp. Pesiḳ. R.
152b, which reads as follows, alluding to Isa. xi. 2”. - From The
Jewish Encyclopedia: http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=504&letter=P&search=creation
The verses 'The Jewish Encyclopedia' reference (Isa. 11:2 & Gen. 1:2 )
as pointing to the Messiah follow:
Isa 11:1-2 “And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse,
and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: And the spirit of the LORD
shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the
spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear
of the LORD”.
Gen 1:1-2 (God/Messiah as the Creator), “In the beginning God created
the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void;
and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God
moved upon the face of the waters”.
God has warned you in Ps. 2:11-12 that you had better accept His Son
or else you are likely to perish from the way back to Him.
Psa. 2:11 “Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss
the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath
is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in
him.”
And God has told you that the Jews would someday realize it was God
Himself whom they had “pierced”.
Zec .12:10 , “And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the
inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications:
and they shall look upon ME WHOM THEY HAVE PIERCED, and they shall
mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in
bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn”.
The Hebrew prophets also prophesied that the Gentiles would turn to
God and be saved when he incarnated as the Saviour:
Isa. 11:10 "And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse [father of
David], which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the
Gentiles seek [defined "specifically to worship"]: and his rest shall
be glorious".
If you choose to ignore the information in those particular
Scriptures, you do so at your own peril. You can't say God didn't tell
you just because you reject those Scriptures.
guardian Snow
Mat 12:33 “Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or else make
the tree rotten and its fruit rotten, for a tree is known by its
fruit.
You're only worth ignoring.. :p You really should get use to this
message.
vince garcia
As the lie you just spoke about me today when you said:
"You really do have a funny belief system Vince where you can be the
judge of all, claim your righteous and without sin..."
You deliberately claimed I said something I never have said or ever
would say. I never--ever--tout my righteousness. The only thing you will
find me saying of 'my' righteousness is that I am a sinner living a life
of constant sin terminated by death, and that my righteousness comes
solely thru the imputed righteosuness of Christ.
But intentionally bearing false witness about me, you claimed I boast
about MY OWN righteosuness, when the posters who do that and claim they
are without sin are actually named Donna and Michael
So if this is how you lie (and break the commandments by bearing false
witness) about me on a subject anyone who's ever read my comments on
would know was a lie on your part--i can only imagine what intentional
lies and distortions you make about linda.
The truth is clearly not in you.
guardian Snow
> guardian Snow wrote:
>
> > On Nov 27, 12:17 am, vince garcia <vggarci...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> > > So why do you hold yourself up as so wronged by Linda when you do just
> > > as bad? All that is apart from YOUR daily rudeness to her.
>
> > Is it rude? So what do you mean "just as bad"... as what?
>
> As the lie you just spoke about me today when you said:
>
> "You really do have a funny belief system Vince where you can be the
> judge of all, claim your righteous and without sin..."
>
> You deliberately claimed I said something I never have said or ever
> would say. I never--ever--tout my righteousness.
You have a reading impairment clearly because if you read the next
sentance you wrote, you are claiming "my righteousness". So the truth
is you have no righteousness and you are unforgiven, right?
> The only thing you will
> find me saying of 'my' righteousness is that I am a sinner living a life
> of constant sin terminated by death, and that my righteousness comes
> solely thru the imputed righteosuness of Christ.
>
> But intentionally bearing false witness about me
You twist your own words up friend. I love this wopper!
> By a fluke, I happened to catch this dumb post.
It's no fluke Vince, I know what drives you. A person can speak on
important issues such as non violence and preventing moral
destruction, suicide, teen pregnancy, abortions and not a word but
make an offensive title and it draws you and other "Christians" like a
fly.
> So why do you hold yourself up as so wronged by Linda when you do just
> as bad? All that is apart from YOUR daily rudeness to her.
Linda and I do not agree on a single topic that she has dwelled on for
a year now..
Christ is deity vs. Messiah manifested the spirit of his Father
YAHWEH or in other words Trinity vs. non trinity. Rather than
rationally agreeing to disagree she has stalked every post I have made
for a year now and then accused me of everything and her mother’s
brother including being “the antichrist” which I find very
laughable.
Most rational people do not stalk one person for a year but then we
are talking about Linda.
> > I find that Christianity on the whole is worthless brainwashing that
> > only serves self deluded people into giving false praise to a non-
> > existent deity. I am proud to say, I AM NOT CHRISTIAN
>
> Yes, we know, and we keep warning you your fate is to be with the other
> non-christians in hell, but like every deceived person, you don't
> believe and don't care.
See Vince, this is your judgment and you are not a deity, your
judgment means nothing to anybody except yourself and maybe some of
your fellow believers. As much as you love to lie and claim I deny
John, we’ve already been down this road that the reality is you deny
John to follow after Roman Pharisee Paul.
Most people don’t know the scriptures well enough to know that the
doctrines preached in the Good News and the doctrine of Paul are
complete opposites… Where Messiah told us to worship the Father.. Paul
turned around and said worship the Messiah in him.. Paul was in fact a
Gnostic and his revelation was purely Gnostic. I don’t have a problem
with Paul’s doctrine but I recognize that one must come to the
conclusion that they either follow Paul or they follow the teachings
of the Good News because while Messiah preached keeping the commands,
Paul preached both sides of every issue which leaves the entire
Christian nation bickering like children over whose right and whose
wrong when the reality is than any teachings based in Paul are empty
according to the prophets.
Isa 45:20 “Gather yourselves and come; draw near together, you who
have escaped from the gentiles. No knowledge have they who are
lifting
up the wood of their carved image, and pray to a mighty one that does
not save.
In Matthew 15 the Messiah told us that Isaiah prophesied about the
Pharisees
Mat 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
and until you believe that statement, you miss the biggest piece of
the puzzle that is scriptures..
> Deception wouldn't be deception if you weren't deceived
The ultimate question of scriptures is this, “WHO IS THE AUTHORITY?”
It is my belief it is the deity that Yehoshua told us to pray to and
worship and spread the good news in the name of the Father YAHWEH and
of the Son Yehoshua and of the spirit.
singin4free
Blanket accusations are seldom if ever grounded in truth.
guardian Snow
> > Mat 7:24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine, and does
> > them, shall be like a wise man who built his house on the rock,
>
> Blanket accusations are seldom if ever grounded in truth.
True so why do Christians always make them about people that don't
subscribe to their dogma? Christians are not the judge, we have one
judge in the Father.
Isa 55:7 Let the wrong forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his
thoughts. Let him return to Yahweh, who has compassion on him, and to
our Elohim, for He pardons much. 8 “For My thoughts are not your
thoughts, neither are your ways My ways,” declares Yahweh. 9 “For as
the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your
ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts.
You see, instead of actually practicing your religion and obeying your
deity, you disregard all he taught to go around making those "blanket
accusations" but who made you a deity to determine right from wrong..
is not that you should determine for YOURSELF what is wrong and
correct your own behaviour?
In this I find the dogma that "Christians" preach, not that of the
Messiah for on a daily bases the lot of you go around making "blanket
accusations". I'm not condemning you, I'm calling you to task on why
you don't obey the scriptures you claim to profess are truth,
hypocrite.
Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with
what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye,
but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote
out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye;
and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy
brother's eye.
How dare any of you lay judgment instead of seeking to correct the
wrongs of your own behaviour. Then what's worse is that you see what
is wrong and you say nothing... How hard was it for you to speak on
the topic of violence... and yet, that was a very important issue..
did you see any other "Christians" speaking on the issue? NO because
unless the issue leads to strife they don't care.. strife is the only
reason any of you post.. not for your deity but because you love
darkness just as John said:
Joh 3:19 “And this is the judgment, that the light has come into the
world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light, for their
works were wicked.
Joh 3:20 “For everyone who is practicing evil matters hates the light
and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed.
The Messiah spoke to you and me but why don't YOU listen?
Deu 17:12 “And the man who acts arrogantly, so as not to listen to the
priest who stands to serve there before Yahweh your Elohim, or to the
judge, that man shall die. So you shall purge the evil from IsraEL.
We have ONE JUDGE and ONE CREATOR who will judge all, don’t try to
think it’s you. Be Humble.
Shalom,
*´¨)
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(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
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has been to one's own.
Willa Cather
An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation,
nor does truth become error because nobody sees it.
Mohandas Gandhi
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we seek.
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singin4free
> On Nov 27, 1:59 pm, singin4free <jffry...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Mat 7:24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine, and does
> > > them, shall be like a wise man who built his house on the rock,
>
> > Blanket accusations are seldom if ever grounded in truth.
>
> True so why do Christians always make them about people that don't
> subscribe to their dogma? Christians are not the judge, we have one
> judge in the Father.
I try to be specific when I address issues you post. Your words are
often judgmental, mean, nasty, blasphemous and offensive. Yet I try to
stick to the issues and avoid personal attacks. When I use strong
words it is aimed at your teachings, not your person. I am not
perfect, I say things I wish I could retract at times. Lately it seems
the conversations here have degenerated into childishness. I think I
will post less for a while. That should make you happy.
guardian Snow
But it wouldn't singforfree... You miss the point entirely.. You
should be posting to give praise to what you believe is the truth, not
wasting your life addressing what you think are my offensive
statements but seeking to help me if I offend.
It's not my desire to offend you, I want to help you and I want to
help you be that person you know you should be. For all the trivial
disagreements we have, I see the good in what you do and I respect and
admire you for your faith but that faith should be directed in a
POSITIVE nature.
You are a great person and your faith is strong, don't think that just
because our views of scriptures differ that I'm not encouraging you to
NOT tell the truth as you know it.. rather.. you should leave your
judgment of my belief to rightly determine what is right for you.
Speak when you see wrong behaviour and encourage goodness, how hard is
that and where is the evil in my asking you to do that? I enjoy our
conversations... but then you are not like many Christians I speak
with...
vince garcia
>
> On Nov 27, 12:49 pm, vince garcia <vggarci...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > guardian Snow wrote:
> >
> > > On Nov 27, 12:17 am, vince garcia <vggarci...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > So why do you hold yourself up as so wronged by Linda when you do just
> > > > as bad? All that is apart from YOUR daily rudeness to her.
> >
> > > Is it rude? So what do you mean "just as bad"... as what?
> >
> > As the lie you just spoke about me today when you said:
> >
> > "You really do have a funny belief system Vince where you can be the
> > judge of all, claim your righteous and without sin..."
> >
> > You deliberately claimed I said something I never have said or ever
> > would say. I never--ever--tout my righteousness.
>
> You have a reading impairment clearly because if you read the next
> sentance you wrote, you are claiming "my righteousness". So the truth
> is you have no righteousness and you are unforgiven, right?
You're even more ignorant that I thought you were. Read the next
sentence I wrote, you ignorant putz.
You are a liar from the father of lies. Linda is right about what she
says about you, and you deserve no sympathy.
>
> > The only thing you will
> > find me saying of 'my' righteousness is that I am a sinner living a life
> > of constant sin terminated by death, and that my righteousness comes
> > solely thru the imputed righteosuness of Christ.
> >
> > But intentionally bearing false witness about me
>
> You twist your own words up friend. I love this wopper!
You'll love hell too.
Linda Lee
>
> > > Mat 7:24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine, and does
> > > them, shall be like a wise man who built his house on the rock,
>
> > Blanket accusations are seldom if ever grounded in truth.
>
> True so why do Christians always make them about people that don't
> subscribe to their dogma?
You have no concept whatsoever about the contents or intent of the
Scriptures and should not be attempting to teach your confused babble
to others. But as long as you do, you can expect opposition to your
confusion.
The Messiah would not have have warned of ANTICHRISTS (like yourself)
if we were not to be aware of them and to make others aware of them.
And the Messiah would not have taught the apostles how to discern
CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL (like yourself) from the children of God if we
were not to discern between the two, and you reveal yourself as a
child of the evil one with your constant lies about God, the Messiah,
yourself, and others. I know you have seen the Hebrew Scriptures
relating to God's intentions to be incarnate as the Saviour; you
ignore them simply because you have been totally spiritually blinded
as you are a child of the Devil.
> Christians are not the judge,
You're not the judge of Christians either, HYPOCRITE.
I am not judging you anyway; it is the Scriptures that reveal you as
an antichrist and a child of the Devil. And it is the Scriptures in
the Old and the New Testaments that say you are already condemned to
Hell because you do not believe on God incarnate as the Messiah and
the Son of God.
John 3:18 "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that
believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in
the name of the only begotten Son of God."
Psa. 2:11-12 "Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his
wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their
trust in him."
> we have one
> judge in the Father.
Really? The Messiah said HE was the judge who would send the
unrighteous to Hell (Matt. 25:31-46). How do you figure that out,
false teacher? That both Father and Son are said to be the Judge of
mankind is just another parallel between the Father and Son that you
prefer to ignore, just as you ignore the OT prophesies about God
himself being the Messiah and Saviour.
Zec. 12:10 "And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the
inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications:
and they shall LOOK UPON ME WHOM THEY HAVE PIERCED, and they shall
mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in
bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn".
Psa. 22:16 "For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked
have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet."
Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the
holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall
separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from
the goats:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats
on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come,
ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the
foundation of the world:
Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty,
and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I
was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw
we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked,
and clothed thee?
Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto
thee?
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say
unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these
my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart
from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and
his angels:
Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was
thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye
clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we
thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in
prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you,
Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not
to me.
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but
the righteous into life eternal.
Snow
> You're even more ignorant that I thought you were. Read the next
> sentence I wrote, you ignorant putz.
>
> You are a liar from the father of lies. Linda is right about what she
> says about you, and you deserve no sympathy.
>
> You'll love hell too.
How Christian of you. I can see you oozing righteousness all the
time. Vince, don't you know that your judgment of me does not define
me, it defines yourself and your need to judge others.
You make the most clear demonstration possible of your hatred Vince
and what it shows the people reading this post is that Christians lack
real compassion, they lack real care for anybody but themselves and
their own vanity.
The “Christian” example… attack everybody else, call them unrighteous
and spread their mental illness of book burnings and witch hunts. NOT
because of the Messiah but because of false apostle Paul who
Christians use Orwellian leaps of logic to say they preached the same
religion.
Isa 29:10 For YAHWEH hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep
sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the
seers hath he covered.
In their induced coma, they misrepresent every teaching the Messiah
put forward. Take a look around and you’ll see it if you’re willing
to look….
From the psychotic “Doctor” that ruthlessly spams dozens of usenet
groups, to “jwsheffield” who because he is unable to actually address
any of the issues just spams post with material he never wrote to
Vince, Linda and all these fine representatives of Christianity.
Mat 15:13 But He answering, said, “Every plant which My heavenly
Father has not planted shall be uprooted.
Mat 15:14 “Leave them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And
if the blind leads the blind, both shall fall into a ditch.”
The very proof that they are a religion driven by FEAR is the fact
that they are unable to just allow other people alone. Look at any
Jewish site, any Islam site, any open message service available and
you too will see the fine examples being set on a daily bases by
Christians that don’t believe the one they call Jesus, whose name is
given by the prophets in Zechariah 6 11-12 as Yehoshua.
Why is it that Christians don’t simply correct this tiny error of
mistranslating the name of the Messiah? Because they have no desire
to actually preach the truth, it’s not popular and it doesn’t pay to
actually practice the truth, they are all lawless, profit driven
harlots that only seek to uphold the false authority of the Roman
canon of scriptures that says the lies of Paul (Rom 3:7) are the words
of one that was true.
Their religion in the light of truth crumbles and falls away and it is
this slow awakening that is taking place that they fear so
desperately.
They have no regard for the Command that leads to everlasting life.
Joh 12:50 “And I know that His command is everlasting life.1
Therefore, whatever I speak, as the Father has said to Me, so I
speak.” Footnote: 1See Mt. 19:17
They have no regard for the truth that is of the Messiah and they
demonstrate this over and over again in relentless attacks on those
who preach the doctrine of the Messiah.
Do you follow Jesus or Apostle Paul?
Ask yourself this question first, when you’re responding to people,
who do you quote more, Jesus/Yehoshua the Messiah or Saul? If you
conduct a discussion about religion with somebody about the Christian
religion, you’ll always notice the same pattern appearing... One
person will say Jesus said this in Matthew and the respondent will
reply but Paul said.
Pick any topic in the bible from keeping the Sabbath to Baptism or
anything in between and you’ll notice a common thread in all the
conversations.. the disagreements are all between Jesus and Paul’s
words.
Now, if you’re like me, you were raised to believe that the bible is
all from the same authority and it’s all the inspired word “of God”.
I believed that for the majority of my life and it wasn’t until I
looked at it from outside my own ingrained convictions about “2Ti
3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God” that I realized
what the problem was.
That and the never ending debate I had with a friend of mine.. Randy.
I love the guy and he’s a tried and true faithful follower of the
scriptures.. so don’t think that I’m putting him down. Randy by his
constant disagreement showed me the truth. I’ve always preferred the
voice of the Messiah and clearly understood that we are to keep the
Ten Commandments. The Ten Commandments is what brought me to the
truth, just like the Psalm says it will..
Psa 19:7 The Torah of YAHWEH is perfect, bringing back the being; The
witness of YAHWEH is trustworthy, making wise the simple;
Let me tell you that that is one of the most important and true
scriptures in the bible!!! But look at what Hebrews says of it:
Heb 7:18 For there is indeed a setting aside of the former command
because of its weakness and unprofitableness,
Now if we know the Ten Commandments are written by the very finger of
Elohim almighty:
Exo 31:18 And when He had ended speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He
gave Mosheh two tablets of the Witness, tablets of stone, written with
the finger of Elohim.
Then how can Hebrews be truth? Something doesn’t add up and we have a
major conflict of scriptures. It’s that very conflict that led me to
look deeper into what Paul was saying. Now my Critics like to point
out that Peter and the other Apostle approved of Paul as an apostle
but the only person that says Paul was an apostle, is Paul.
I know of only one other passage that is frequently misused to assume
Luke says he’s an apostle in Acts.. but Luke never said that and in
fact.. Luke makes a point of showing that Paul claimed to be a god on
numerous occasions and never refuted the men.
Act 28:6 Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen
down dead suddenly: but after they had looked a great while, and saw
no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a
god.
The Messiah spoke about one that would come showing signs and wonders
and told us several things to “beware of”... including...
Mar 8:15 And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven
of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod.
Act 13:1 Now there were in the church that was at Antioch …with Herod
the tetrarch, and Saul.
One who would come after him showing “Signs and wonders”…
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets,
and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were
possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
2Co 12:9 ..that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
2Co 12:12 Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all
patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.
2Co 12:16 But be it so, I did not burden you: nevertheless, being
crafty, I caught you with guile.
Why Paul is so beloved over even the Messiah. Because he removed the
burden placed upon believers to keep the Commandments of Elohim.
1Co 10:23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not
expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
If all things are lawful, it’s because there is no law to break by his
account. The law being the Torah of Elohim and the Ten Commandments.
Most Christians will then argue that they keep the Ten Commands when
in fact they don’t keep the Sabbath. The Sabbath ends up being a
topic of my conversation all the time because it is THE SIGN.
Eze 20:20 ‘And set apart My Sabbaths, and they shall be a sign between
Me and you, to know that I am יהוה your Elohim.’
Christians will fight to the death to claim that SUNday is the Sabbath
and disregard the clear teachings of Moses and YAHWEH in the Exodus.
Did you know that the word Sabbath was removed from the King James
bible on almost every occasion after the death of the Messiah?
(Mar 16:2) (Mar 16:9) (Luk 18:12) (Luk 24:1)
(Joh 20:1) (Joh 20:19) (Act 20:7) (1Co 16:2)
The Roman Catholic Church has worked hard for centuries to suppress
this truth and many, many people along the way fight tooth and nail to
hide the facts but download e-sword, it comes with KJV + Strong’s
numbers… look for yourself and see that I’m telling the truth. The
Sabbath is mentioned in all those passages and has been removed to
justify Sun worshipping. Now if we know that Paul was a Gentile Roman
and only a “Jew by implication” (Gal 2:15) it becomes clear that we
need to disregard his “leaven”.
Go thru this with me, please…
Isa 45:15 Truly You are Ěl, who hide Yourself, O Elohim of Yisra’ĕl,
Saviour!
First, we have to understand that YAHWEH hid himself because we have
rejected his commandments.
Isa 45:19 “I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth.
I have not said to the seed of Yaaqoḇ, ‘Seek Me in vain.’ I am
Yahweh, speaking righteousness, declaring matters that are straight.
It is Clear that YAHWEH is telling us that if we seek him… But… Notice
what he clearly says he doesn’t do… it’s not a secret what he says..
we all have Isaiah and Moses and the Prophets in our bible, so why do
we disregard all those teachings and run to Paul? We claim to follow
Jesus and then say “Paul is the word of God”….
Isa 45:20 “Gather yourselves and come; draw near together, you who
have escaped from the gentiles. No knowledge have they who are lifting
up the wood of their carved image, and pray to a mighty one that does
not save.
The GENTILES have no knowledge… But what knowledge did Paul claim to
teach??
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of
this mystery,
Rom 16:25 …according to the revelation of the mystery,
1Co 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery,
1Co 4:1 and stewards of the mysteries of God.
Dozens of references to the “mystery” religion. What was the false
religion spoken of by John in Revelation?
Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON
THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Until you can connect the fact that Paul is in fact part of the
“mystery” religion of the Roman Church, you’ll continue to be enslaved
in the false doctrine of Paul.
The Good News of Yehoshua Messiah is that we can turn back from our
pride and ““Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins,
and lest you receive of her plagues.” The only way we can do that is
by true repentance to Elohim.
Pro 28:19 He who tills his land is satisfied with bread, But he who
pursues vanities is filled with poverty.
Most people will ignore this message and some will spam me or make
false claims.. it’s really up to you. So many people are so heavily
invested into Sun day worship they will refuse to acknowledge the
truth when they see it.
Ecc 1:2 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities;
all is vanity.
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua <-- please join
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/messianic_Yehoshua/
Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
If he who employs coercion against me could mould me to his purposes
by argument, no doubt he would. He pretends to punish me because his
argument is strong; but he really punishes me because his argument is
weak.
William Godwin
Argument is meant to reveal the truth, not to create it.
Edward de Bono
It is as absurd to argue men, as to torture them, into believing.
John Henry Newman
Snow
Linda Lee
> On Nov 26, 10:15 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 27, 1:59 pm, singin4free <jffry...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Mat 7:24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine, and does
> > > > them, shall be like a wise man who built his house on the rock,
>
> > > Blanket accusations are seldom if ever grounded in truth.
>
> > True so why do Christians always make them about people that don't
> > subscribe to their dogma? Christians are not the judge, we have one
> > judge in the Father.
>
> I try to be specific when I address issues you post. Your words are
> often judgmental, mean, nasty, blasphemous and offensive.
I am glad that you see all that since he buries his accusations amidst
false claims of his moral, tolerant, nonjudgmental, 'loving' behavior
and an alleged desire to "help" you. When he began calling me whore
at the same time he was claiming friendship a year or so ago, he also
claimed he was just trying to "help" me, as if he could abuse me into
abandoning belief in the Messiah by claiming I was a "whore" for
believing in him.
While it is certainly true that he is often judgmental, mean, nasty,
blasphemous and offensive, the worst part is that his words are almost
always FALSE. He is very manipulative as well, changing his tactics
and telling me just three days ago I was a "very intelligent lady" in
an attempt to make me renounce being a Christian and silence my
oppositions to his false teachings (
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.bible.prophecy/msg/7c8abfb6613a0096
).
> Yet I try to
> stick to the issues and avoid personal attacks. When I use strong
> words it is aimed at your teachings, not your person. I am not
> perfect, I say things I wish I could retract at times. Lately it seems
> the conversations here have degenerated into childishness.
It is because his teachings are literally ignorant nonsense that they
wind up seeming like "childishness".
> I think I
> will post less for a while. That should make you happy.
You make a very good case for belief in the Messiah, better every day
I've noticed. But it is not solely up to you to expose false
teachings; the Messiah's apostles warned that some people are simply
lying children of the devil and that there were many antichrists, and
the children of God eventually recognize them for what they are. Don't
let his behavior determine how you post.
Snow
Someday Christians might learn to follow the scriptures they claim to
believe:
Isa 55:7 Let the wrong forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his
thoughts. Let him return to Yahweh, who has compassion on him, and to
our Elohim, for He pardons much. 8 “For My thoughts are not your
thoughts, neither are your ways My ways,” declares Yahweh. 9 “For as
the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your
ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts.
Let the wrong forsake his way! WOW, you mean it’s not our job to go
around accusing every other person of being the antichrist?
Rev 22:11 “He who does wrong, let him do more wrong; he who is filthy,
let him be more filthy; he who is righteous, let him be more
righteous; he who is set-apart, let him be more set-apart.
Are we seeing this? He who is wrong, LET HIM DO MORE WRONG… This
can’t be true, how could this be in the bible?
Eze 3:27 “But when I speak with you, I open your mouth, and you shall
say to them, ‘Thus said the Master Yahweh.’ He who hears, let him
hear. And he who refuses, let him refuse, for they are a rebellious
house.
He who refuses, “Let him refuse”… You mean the idea of leaving people
that you might consider wicked alone isn’t a unique teaching?
Mar 8:33 And turning around and seeing His taught ones, He rebuked
Kĕpha, saying, “Get behind Me, Satan! For your thoughts are not those
of Elohim, but those of men.”
That our thoughts are not his thoughts aren’t unique is something we
should all consider in our peaceful journey forward. Learning to
respect even those that disagree with us is not something unscriptural
or some fancy new age teaching.
Mat 15:13 But He answering, said, “Every plant which My heavenly
Father has not planted shall be uprooted.
Mat 15:14 “Leave them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And
if the blind leads the blind, both shall fall into a ditch.”
It’s not something only the Messiah taught, it’s Old Testament.
Hos 4:17 “Ephrayim is joined to idols, let him alone.
I have no doubt that this is a hard teaching to follow for us.. that
we let them be what they are but in doing so, we submit to the
teachings of our scriptures and show by our works, the faith that
motivate our actions.
Hos 4:4 “However, let no one strive or reprove another, for your
people are like those striving with a priest. 5 “And you shall
stumble in the day, and the prophet shall also stumble with you in the
night. And I shall make your mother perish. 6 “My people have
perished for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I
reject you from being priest for Me. Since you have forgotten the
Torah of your Elohim, I also forget your children.
Yahweh desires that we know and understand but this does not happen
when we waste our time passing OUR judgment on our other people. The
scriptures are very clear in that we are not to strive with other
people. Now this is not to say that we can’t have a spirited debate
which by the very meaning is righteous, only that it is not our place
to seek to subvert other peoples understandings.
Eze 18:23 “Have I any pleasure in the death of the wrong?” declares
the Master Yahweh. “Is it not that he should turn from his ways, and
live?
I strongly recommend people read Ezekiel especially chapters, 3, 18
and 33 which are all relevant to the topic.
Linda Lee
> guardian Snow wrote:
>
> > On Nov 27, 12:49 pm, vince garcia <vggarci...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > > guardian Snow wrote:
>
> > > > On Nov 27, 12:17 am, vince garcia <vggarci...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > So why do you hold yourself up as so wronged by Linda when you do just
> > > > > as bad? All that is apart from YOUR daily rudeness to her.
>
> > > > Is it rude? So what do you mean "just as bad"... as what?
>
> > > As the lie you just spoke about me today when you said:
>
> > > "You really do have a funny belief system Vince where you can be the
> > > judge of all, claim your righteous and without sin..."
>
> > > You deliberately claimed I said something I never have said or ever
> > > would say. I never--ever--tout my righteousness.
>
> > You have a reading impairment clearly because if you read the next
> > sentance you wrote, you are claiming "my righteousness". So the truth
> > is you have no righteousness and you are unforgiven, right?
>
> sentence I wrote, you ignorant putz.
>
> You are a liar from the father of lies. Linda is right about what she
> says about you, and you deserve no sympathy.
>
>
>
> > > find me saying of 'my' righteousness is that I am a sinner living a life
> > > of constant sin terminated by death, and that my righteousness comes
>
> > > But intentionally bearing false witness about me
>
> > You twist your own words up friend. I love this wopper!
>
It's pathetic, he can't even spell whopper...
Liars like him often accuse others of being liars like themselves;
they enjoy the confusion it brings. Did you see the following post of
Snowjob's?
Snowjob says to Rod, "You will find it is a common tactic to accuse
other people of the very thing you are guilty of... Excellent
thoughts."
from - http://groups.google.com/group/alt.bible/msg/0adfc17f981beec2
Snow
You're still only worth ignoring.
Rev 22:11 “He who does wrong, let him do more wrong; he who is filthy,
Linda Lee
> On Nov 27, 10:50 pm, vince garcia <vggarci...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> > You're even more ignorant that I thought you were. Read the next
> > sentence I wrote, you ignorant putz.
>
> > You are a liar from the father of lies. Linda is right about what she
> > says about you, and you deserve no sympathy.
>
> > You'll love hell too.
>
> How Christian of you. I can see you oozing righteousness all the
> time. Vince, don't you know that your judgment of me does not define
> me, it defines yourself and your need to judge others.
Vince is basing his statement that you'll wind up in hell on what the
Scriptures say about such as you. You should worry about God's
judgment of you:
John 3:18 the Messiah taught, "He that believeth on him is not
condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he
hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God".
And the Hebrew Scriptures say that God condemns antichrists like
yourself as well:
Psa 2:11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
Psa 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way,
when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put
their trust in him.
>
> You make the most clear demonstration possible of your hatred Vince
Hypocrite! You just goaded him with "As much as you love to lie" and
"I know what drives you" and now you claim the response to your
hateful provocation proves something about HIM. But then anti-christs
such as yourself often use your lowdown tactic. Your transparent
manipulations are downright disgusting.
> Dozens of references to the “mystery” religion. ...
>
> read more »
Linda Lee
> On Nov 28, 12:01 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> You're still only worth ignoring.
>
LOL. I like how you never have an answer. That is because you are
speaking falsehoods that can't stand up to the truth of the
Scriptures.
> Mat 15:13 But He answering, said, “Every plant which My heavenly
> Father has not planted shall be uprooted.
> Mat 15:14 “Leave them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And
> if the blind leads the blind, both shall fall into a ditch.”
To leave false teachers alone does NOT mean to refrain from exposing
false teachers such as yourself. This means NOT TO FOLLOW FALSE
TEACHERS such as YOURSELF. Don't worry, NO ONE is 'following' you
into your confusion and babble.
Just once I'd like to see you interpret a Scripture with some accuracy
(but that is impossible for children of the Devil; you are blind to
the meaning of the Scriptures).
Snow
> > You're still only worth ignoring.
Rev 22:11 “He who does wrong, let him do more wrong; he who is filthy,
Linda Lee
> On Nov 28, 12:30 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> Someday Christians might learn to follow the scriptures they claim to
> believe:
>
> Isa 55:7 Let the wrong forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his
> thoughts. Let him return to Yahweh, who has compassion on him, and to
> our Elohim, for He pardons much. 8 “For My thoughts are not your
> thoughts, neither are your ways My ways,” declares Yahweh. 9 “For as
> the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your
> ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts.
>
> Let the wrong forsake his way! WOW, you mean it’s not our job to go
> around accusing every other person of being the antichrist?
That is not what it is talking about, blind teacher. You really don't
even know what words mean, do you, antichrist? Try to read: "Let the
wrong forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts. Let him
return to Yahweh". That means let the wrong/UNRIGHTEOUS CEASE being
wrong in thoughts and deeds and turn to God. It says nothing about
the "wrong" being false teachers, and the fact that it uses the word
"his way" means nothing in relation to other people.
>
> Rev 22:11 “He who does wrong, let him do more wrong; he who is filthy,
> let him be more filthy; he who is righteous, let him be more
> righteous; he who is set-apart, let him be more set-apart.
>
> Are we seeing this? He who is wrong, LET HIM DO MORE WRONG… This
> can’t be true, how could this be in the bible?
So you want me to let you do "more wrong"? There's no stopping you,
but that doesn't mean others shouldn't be made privy to your devious
methods either.
>
> Eze 3:27 “But when I speak with you, I open your mouth, and you shall
> say to them, ‘Thus said the Master Yahweh.’ He who hears, let him
> hear. And he who refuses, let him refuse, for they are a rebellious
> house.
> He who refuses, “Let him refuse”… You mean the idea of leaving people
> that you might consider wicked alone isn’t a unique teaching?
>
It does not say to 'leave them alone and not bother them'. Go right
ahead; continue to REFUSE to listen to God's words of truth. As I said
before, I know there is no stopping you, and you appear to me to be
hopelessly lost in stubborn confusion, so I don't hold any illusions
any more that you will suddenly be enlightened. But if you post your
garbage here, it will be refuted scripturally for the sake of others,
not yourself.
>
> Mar 8:33 And turning around and seeing His taught ones, He rebuked
> Kĕpha, saying, “Get behind Me, Satan! For your thoughts are not those
> of Elohim, but those of men.”
>
> That our thoughts are not his thoughts aren’t unique is something we
> should all consider in our peaceful journey forward. Learning to
> respect even those that disagree with us is not something unscriptural
> or some fancy new age teaching.
>
> Mat 15:13 But He answering, said, “Every plant which My heavenly
> Father has not planted shall be uprooted.
> Mat 15:14 “Leave them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And
> if the blind leads the blind, both shall fall into a ditch.”
"Leave them alone" means 'Do not join up with them'; 'DO NOT swallow
their lies and follow their false teachings'. Only your stupidity and
spiritual blindness leads you to believe this is saying to allow you
to preach your false antichrist message in peace without anyone
refuting you.
>
> It’s not something only the Messiah taught, it’s Old Testament.
>
> Hos 4:17 “Ephrayim is joined to idols, let him alone.
Again, it means don't join him in worshipping idols.
>
> I have no doubt that this is a hard teaching to follow for us.. that
> we let them be what they are but in doing so, we submit to the
> teachings of our scriptures and show by our works, the faith that
> motivate our actions.
LOL! It's really enjoyable to watch your desperate attempts to coerce
others to allow you to post your antichrist message unhindered --
especially when you direct it at me, as I see right through your
manipulations.
Psa. 2:4 "He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall
have them in derision".
Your desperation leads you to employ your usual hypocrisy, Snowjob.
You try to convince them with your usual confused misinterpretation of
the Scriptures that God says you should be allowed to preach your
antichrist message unopposed.
When that doesn't work, you try to condemn Christians and subject them
to insolent derision for their beliefs.
But the Scriptures say in Jer. 20:8 that Jeremiah the prophet cried
out "VIOLENCE" [from a Hebrew word defined "WRONG" and translated
elsewhere as false] and "SPOIL" [in the root form of the word defined,
"INSOLENCE"] against the unrighteous who attempted to use condemnation
and derision of the Truth he had spoken against him.
So I cry against YOU and your ANTICHRIST false teachings -- "WRONG!!
FALSE!! INSOLENCE!!"
Jer. 20:8 For since I spake, I cried out, I CRIED VIOLENCE AND SPOIL;
BECAUSE THE WORD OF THE LORD WAS MADE A REPROACH UNTO ME, AND A
DERISION, DAILY.
Jer 20:9 Then I said, I will not make mention of him, nor speak any
more in his name. But his word was in mine heart as a burning fire
shut up in my bones, and I was weary with forbearing, and I could not
stay.
Jer 20:10 For I heard the defaming of many, fear on every side.
Report, say they, and we will report it. All my familiars watched for
my halting, saying, Peradventure he will be enticed, and we shall
prevail against him, and we shall take our revenge on him.
Jer 20:11 But the LORD is with me as a mighty terrible one: therefore
my persecutors shall stumble, and they shall not prevail: they shall
be greatly ashamed; for they shall not prosper: their everlasting
confusion shall never be forgotten.
Jer 20:12 But, O LORD of hosts, that triest the righteous, and seest
the reins and the heart, let me see thy vengeance on them: for unto
thee have I opened my cause.
> The
> scriptures are very clear in that we are not to strive with other
> people. Now this is not to say that we can’t have a spirited debate
> which by the very meaning is righteous, only that it is not our place
> to seek to subvert other peoples understandings.
You are such a HYPOCRITE. You must be absolutely CRAZY if you think
others cannot see your hypocrisy when in this very thread you have
sought to "subvert other peoples understandings" by attacking many
Christians by name and the entire belief system of Christians and
Christianity as a whole.
I think that you have gotten by your whole life lying to and
manipulating people, and it's worked very well for you because it was
all verbal, so they couldn't disprove you when you squirmed and
changed tactics, but here where you put your hypocrisy into writing,
it is thrown back in your face, and you find that very upsetting and
frustrating. LOL!!!
>
> We have ONE JUDGE and ONE CREATOR who will judge all, don’t try to
> think it’s you.
>
The Messiah said HE was the judge who would send the unrighteous to
Hell (Matt. 25:31-46). How do you figure that out, antichrist false
teacher? That BOTH Father and Son are said to be THE JUDGE of mankind
is just another parallel between the Father and Son that you prefer to
ignore.
> Be Humble.
You have been anything BUT humble, hypocrite, attacking about eight
Christian posters by name in this thread.
Snow
> LOL! It's really enjoyable to watch your desperate attempts to coerce
> others to allow you to post your antichrist message unhindered --
> especially when you direct it at me, as I see right through your
> manipulations.
Thanks for keeping my threads the most popular and at the top of the
heap Linda:) You are so wise.
2Pe 2:19 promising them freedom, though themselves being slaves of
corruption – for one is a slave to whatever overcomes him.
You are still only worth ignoring... but have you noticed? I'm glad
you enjoy your task.
Rom 3:10 As it has been written, “There is none righteous, no, not
one!
Rom 3:11 “There is no one who is understanding, there is none who is
seeking Elohim.
Rom 3:12 “They all have turned aside, they have together become
worthless. There is none who does good, no, not one.”
Rom 3:13 “Their throat is an open tomb, with their tongues they have
deceived,” “The poison of adders is under their lips,”
Rom 3:14 “Whose mouth is filled with cursing and bitterness.”
Rom 3:15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood,
Rom 3:16 ruin and wretchedness are in their ways,
Rom 3:17 and the way of peace they have not known.”
Rom 3:18 “There is no fear of Elohim before their eyes.”
Snow
> You have been anything BUT humble, hypocrite, attacking about eight
> Christian posters by name in this thread.
Oh.. I forgot.. that was definitely another 5 star post.. keep up the
good work.. I'll keep giving you 5 stars:) I am enjoying your
"Christian" examples.
Linda Lee
Linda Lee
> On Nov 28, 2:20 am,LindaLee<lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > LOL! It's really enjoyable to watch your desperate attempts to coerce
> > others to allow you to post your antichrist message unhindered --
> > especially when you direct it at me, as I see right through your
> > manipulations.
>
> Thanks for keeping my threads the most popular and at the top of the
> heapLinda:)
You are so delusional, it is not even funny. You're at the bottom of
the heap and don't even know it.
> You are so wise.
>
> 2Pe 2:19 promising them freedom, though themselves being slaves of
> corruption – for one is a slave to whatever overcomes him.
Ah, a description of yourself. Is this one of your examples of how
Christians use the Scriptures as a weapon, hypocrite?
>
> You are still only worth ignoring... but have you noticed? I'm glad
> you enjoy your task.
You really are funny to watch trying different methods to silence
opposition to your antichrist message.
LOL! It's really enjoyable to watch your desperate attempts to coerce
others to allow you to post your antichrist message unhindered --
especially when you direct it at me, as I see right through your
manipulations.
Psa. 2:4 "He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall
>
> Rom 3:10 As it has been written, “There is none righteous, no, not
> one!
> Rom 3:11 “There is no one who is understanding, there is none who is
> seeking Elohim.
> Rom 3:12 “They all have turned aside, they have together become
> worthless. There is none who does good, no, not one.”
> Rom 3:13 “Their throat is an open tomb, with their tongues they have
> deceived,” “The poison of adders is under their lips,”
> Rom 3:14 “Whose mouth is filled with cursing and bitterness.”
> Rom 3:15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood,
> Rom 3:16 ruin and wretchedness are in their ways,
> Rom 3:17 and the way of peace they have not known.”
> Rom 3:18 “There is no fear of Elohim before their eyes.”
So now the hypocrite's enjoying quoting the false apostle Paul...
Rod
> On Nov 27, 8:10 am, Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>> On Nov 27, 10:50 pm, vince garcia <vggarci...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>>> You're even more ignorant that I thought you were. Read the next
>>> sentence I wrote, you ignorant putz.
>>> You are a liar from the father of lies. Linda is right about what she
>>> says about you, and you deserve no sympathy.
>>> You'll love hell too.
>> How Christian of you. I can see you oozing righteousness all the
>> time. Vince, don't you know that your judgment of me does not define
>> me, it defines yourself and your need to judge others.
>
>
> Vince is basing his statement that you'll wind up in hell on what the
> Scriptures say about such as you. You should worry about God's
> judgment of you:
>
> John 3:18 the Messiah taught, "He that believeth on him is not
> condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he
> hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God".
>
> And the Hebrew Scriptures say that God condemns antichrists like
> yourself as well:
> Psa 2:11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
> Psa 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way,
> when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put
> their trust in him.
And once again we find the imbecile Lying Linda Lee using scripture
as it was never intended to be used. The entire chapter of Psalm 2
speaks about the nations rebellion against enslavement by YHVH, and
his plan to deal evilly with them.
Psa 2:1 Why do the nations rage, And the peoples meditate a vain thing?
Psa 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, And the rulers take
counsel together, Against Jehovah, and against his anointed, saying,
Psa 2:3 Let us break their bonds asunder, And cast away their cords
from us.
Psa 2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens will laugh: The Lord will have
them in derision.
Psa 2:5 Then will he speak unto them in his wrath, And vex them in his
sore displeasure:
Psa 2:6 Yet I have set my king Upon my holy hill of Zion.
Psa 2:7 I will tell of the decree: Jehovah said unto me, Thou art my
son; This day have I begotten thee.
Psa 2:8 Ask of me, and I will give thee the nations for thine
inheritance, And the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Psa 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; Thou shalt dash them
in pieces like a potter's vessel.
Psa 2:10 Now therefore be wise, O ye kings: Be instructed, ye judges of
the earth.
Psa 2:11 Serve Jehovah with fear, And rejoice with trembling.
Psa 2:12 Kiss the son, lest he be angry, and ye perish in the way, For
his wrath will soon be kindled. Blessed are all they that take refuge in
him.
>
>> You make the most clear demonstration possible of your hatred Vince
>
>
> Hypocrite! You just goaded him with "As much as you love to lie" and
> "I know what drives you" and now you claim the response to your
> hateful provocation proves something about HIM. But then anti-christs
> such as yourself often use your lowdown tactic. Your transparent
> manipulations are downright disgusting.
Translation: I made myself appear a dumb ass.
singin4free
Psalm 2 is not about the good being overcome by an evil God. It is the
exact opposite. The nations serve Satan at present, who as Jesus said,
is "the god of this world". But Satan's time is coming and along with
it the demise of the evil he perpetrates. It is Satan who is behind
all the evil not Yahweh. The love of Yahweh was clearly displayed to
the world when he sent his Son to die for our sins (John 3:16). At
present Satan is still working his evil plot, as we see in all the
wars and suffering that he has brought to the nations via evil rulers
and evil systems. But in the end God will prevail, His Son will
prevail, and the world system that finally culminates in the
Antichrist will be overcome by the eternal forces of good. Actually
there was never any doubt God would prevail, though things do have to
work out over time. That is why God laughs at the evil rulers of evil
systems who think somehow they can overcome him. If they do not submit
to the Son, it is their choice, and they condemn themselves, as John
said:
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the
world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that
believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in
the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the
world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds
were evil.
Joh 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither
cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Joh 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds
may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
So, when Yahweh laughs at the wicked it is evil that he is laughing
at, not good, and we should recognize that he has overcome evil for
us, and that his laughter means our salvation.
Rod
Oh BS! Read the chapter again. Does slavery appeal to you ? Would you
want it done to you or a family member ? How about the last two verses
above ? is it okay to murder someone if you loose patience with them ?
If not, why is it okay for your god to act like a psychopath ?
Snow
Yes, praise me for manipulating you too, thank you. Another 5 star
post.
singin4free
Serving Jehovah sounds fine to me. If you fear God you understand he
is not a murderer but a Judge, yet if you love the Son you can rejoice
in knowing he is not angry with you. Everyone will face death one day.
God is the one who determines when, just like he decided you would be
born when he knit you together in your mother's womb. You can't call
that murder when he also gave you life. He is just frankly, the Potter
and you are the clay. The pot can't tell the Potter what to do, and
you can't win an argument with God. You can whistle past the graveyard
and pretend he doesn't exist, but that won't change things. He is not
a psychopath. The problem with psychopaths is they want to be in God's
shoes, but they don't realize they are just pots, and don't have the
authority over life and death. You see, a psychopath wants to be God.
They are phonies but God is the real thing, the one unique Judge of
all with true authority over life and death. And he says to us "choose
life". That life is in his Son, Jesus.
Rod
Pure fantasy. At least you do not sound like some here, a redeeming
quality.
Linda Lee
LOL! You're attempting to manipulate me now by implying you're
deliberately causing me to post to you (when actually it's another of
your ploys designed to cause me to cease posting to you), but as usual
it doesn't work, Snowjob. You're just too transparent. So let's add
reverse psychology to your usual ploys of false compliments
alternating with abusive verbal behavior, and let's not forget your
pathetic claims that people that abhor you and your false behavior and
your lies are actually lovesick over you. LOL!
None of it will make a difference; post your garbage antichrist
misinterpretations of the Scriptures here, and you will receive rebuke
and correction. It's as simple as that.
Linda Lee
> >> On Nov 27, 10:50 pm, vince garcia <vggarci...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >>> You're even more ignorant that I thought you were. Read the next
> >>> sentence I wrote, you ignorant putz.
> >>> says about you, and you deserve no sympathy.
> >>> You'll love hell too.
> >> How Christian of you. I can see you oozing righteousness all the
> >> time. Vince, don't you know that your judgment of me does not define
> >> me, it defines yourself and your need to judge others.
>
> > Vince is basing his statement that you'll wind up in hell on what the
> > Scriptures say about such as you. You should worry about God's
> > judgment of you:
>
> > John 3:18 the Messiah taught, "He that believeth on him is not
> > condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he
> > hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God".
>
> > And the Hebrew Scriptures say that God condemns antichrists like
> > yourself as well:
> > Psa 2:11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
> > Psa 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way,
> > when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put
> > their trust in him.
>
Yes, you did.
Rod
Another lie from Lying Linda Lee.
Snow
> On Nov 27, 9:33 pm, Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 28, 4:07 am,LindaLee<lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 27, 11:10 am, Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
> > > > On Nov 28, 2:20 am,LindaLee<lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > You have been anything BUT humble, hypocrite, attacking about eight
> > > > > Christian posters by name in this thread.
>
> > > > Oh.. I forgot.. that was definitely another 5 star post.. keep up the
> > > > good work.. I'll keep giving you 5 stars:) I am enjoying your
> > > > "Christian" examples.
>
> > > Thou blind hypocrite.
>
> > Yes, praise me for manipulating you too, thank you. Another 5 star
> > post.
>
> LOL! You're attempting to manipulate me now by implying you're
> deliberately causing me to post to you (when actually it's another of
> your ploys designed to cause me to cease posting to you), but as usual
> it doesn't work, Snowjob. You're just too transparent.
Oh darn, another one of my ploys that didn't work.. hahaha. Thank you
for the wonderful CHRISTIAN and Christ like example you set for all
the unbelieving souls that read these post. The fruit of your
religion really serves you well.. shall we both praise your deity
together now?
Snow
> Oh BS! Read the chapter again. Does slavery appeal to you ? Would you
> want it done to you or a family member ? How about the last two verses
> above ? is it okay to murder someone if you loose patience with them ?
> If not, why is it okay for your god to act like a psychopath ?
I respect the way that you see this chapter but I do not agree with
your understanding of it. For example if we examine the final verse:
Psa 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way,
when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put
their trust in him.
It does not say "the son of Elohim" or YHWH... Christians interpret
the verse this way because it serves their purpose but can you see
another perspective of this verse? If so, what do you think this
other perspective might be? Compare the context to this verse:
Mat 5:25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the
way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the
judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast
into prison.
Snow
>
> Serving Jehovah sounds fine to me. If you fear God
Psa 82:6 I have said, Ye are elohim; and all of you are children of
the most High.
You scriptures say I am "God" and you are "God". God is not name and
I wish you would stop using it in the improper context and
mistranslation. At the very least you should recognize that neither
of us are deities to be worshiped.
You should recognize that "god" is a title, not a name and is applied
to many deities, including pagan deities. When will you start to
recognize this simple truth that the name of YAHWEH is set apart as
the Elohim of Israel?
Mal 2:1 And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you.
Mal 2:2 If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to
give glory unto my name, saith YAHWEH of hosts, I will even send a
curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed
them already, because ye do not lay it to heart.
Mal 2:3 Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your
faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you
away with it.
Linda Lee
> On Nov 28, 2:42 pm,LindaLee<lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 27, 9:33 pm, Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 28, 4:07 am,LindaLee<lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Nov 27, 11:10 am, Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Nov 28, 2:20 am,LindaLee<lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > You have been anything BUT humble, hypocrite, attacking about eight
> > > > > > Christian posters by name in this thread.
>
> > > > > Oh.. I forgot.. that was definitely another 5 star post.. keep up the
> > > > > good work.. I'll keep giving you 5 stars:) I am enjoying your
> > > > > "Christian" examples.
>
> > > > Thou blind hypocrite.
>
> > > Yes, praise me for manipulating you too, thank you. Another 5 star
> > > post.
You don't need praise for your manipulations; they will bring you
condemnation from God, not praise.
>
> > LOL! You're attempting to manipulate me now by implying you're
> > deliberately causing me to post to you (when actually it's another of
> > your ploys designed to cause me to cease posting to you), but as usual
> > it doesn't work, Snowjob. You're just too transparent.
>
> Oh darn, another one of my ploys that didn't work.. hahaha.
> Thank you
> for the wonderful CHRISTIAN and Christ like example you set for all
> the unbelieving souls that read these post. The fruit of your
> religion really serves you well..
You're desperate, Snowjob. It really messes up your antichrist
'ministry' to have your hypocrisies and twisted interpretations of the
Scriptures exposed, doesn't it? I doubt that it is even necessary to
point it out. Most people can see right away you're a hypocritical,
pompous, egomaniacal, holier-than-thou lying ignoramus child of the
Devil who doesn't know diddly about the Scriptures - or haven't you
noticed how NO ONE buys into your garbage?
> shall we both praise your deity
> together now?
Certainly.
John 20:28 "And Thomas answered and said unto him [Yahashua` the
Messiah], My Lord and my God".
Mat 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and WORSHIPPED him
[Christ, Messiah], saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
Mat 2:11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young
child [Christ, the Messiah] with Mary his mother, and FELL DOWN, AND
WORSHIPPED him: and when they had opened their treasures, they
presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.
Mat 8:2 And, behold, there came a leper and WORSHIPPED him [Christ,
the Messiah], saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.
Mat 9:18 While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a
certain ruler, and WORSHIPPED [Christ, the Messiah], saying, My
daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she
shall live.
Mat 15:25 Then came she and WORSHIPPED him [Christ, the Messiah],
saying, Lord, help me.
Mat 28:9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met
them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and
WORSHIPPED him [Christ, the Messiah].
Mar 5:6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and WORSHIPPED him
[Christ, the Messiah],
Joh 9:35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had
found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?
Joh 9:36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe
on him?
Joh 9:37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is
he that talketh with thee.
Joh 9:38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he WORSHIPPED him [Christ,
the Messiah].
Linda Lee
> On Nov 28, 11:02 am, Rod <spa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Oh BS! Read the chapter again. Does slavery appeal to you ? Would you
> > want it done to you or a family member ? How about the last two verses
> > above ? is it okay to murder someone if you loose patience with them ?
> > If not, why is it okay for your god to act like a psychopath ?
>
> I respect the way that you see this chapter
Of course you do; why should you have a problem with his belief that
Psalm Two reveals that God is a "psychopath" when your allegation you
believe in God is simply a farce you use as a tool to fight against
Christ and Christianity.
> but I do not agree with
> your understanding of it. For example if we examine the final verse:
>
> Psa 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way,
> when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put
> their trust in him.
>
> It does not say "the son of Elohim" or YHWH... Christians interpret
> the verse this way because it serves their purpose
More of your hypocrisy and false allegations others do what you're
doing. You misinterpret it to serve your purpose.
Psa 2:11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
Psa 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he ["the LORD" God] be angry, and ye
perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed
are all they that put their trust in him.
Randy ®
Linda Lee <lyndal...@juno.com> wrote:
> Of course you do; why should you have a problem with his belief that
> Psalm Two reveals that God is a "psychopath" when your allegation you
> believe in God is simply a farce you use as a tool to fight against
> Christ and Christianity.
That does seem to be the situation.
Why do men attack the Bible?
1) Because they hate having their evil exposed
John 3:20 NIV
(20) Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come
into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
2) Because they are "natural" men, not spiritual.
1 Corinthians 2:14 NASB
(14) But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit
of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand
them, because they are spiritually appraised.
3) Because they are "hostile toward God"
Romans 8:5-8 NASB
(5) For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on
the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the
Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
(6) For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on
the Spirit is life and peace,
(7) because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for
it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even
able to do so,
(8) and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
4) Because they are blinded by Satan
2 Corinthians 4:3-4 NIV
(3) And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who
are perishing.
(4) The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so
that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of
Christ, who is the image of God.
5) Because they are under Satan's control
Romans 10:17 KJ2000
(17) So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Genesis 3:1 NIV
(1) Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals
the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say,
'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?"
1 John 5:19 NIV
(19) We know that we are children of God, and that the whole
world is under the control of the evil one.
Satan knows that faith in God comes through hearing God's word.
From the beginning, he has been attacking God's word. The first
step in leading men astray from God, and into a path of eternal
ruin, is to promote doubt about what God has said. "Did God
really say...?", is the lie by which Satan has been opposing God,
and leading men to hell since the beginning. It is to be
expected that Satan will constantly attack, try to undermine, and
promote doubt about what God has said, and natural, unregenerate
men lie under his power, doing his will (1 John 5:19).
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Snow
> That does seem to be the situation.
>
> Why do men attack the Bible?
>
> 1) Because they hate having their evil exposed
>
> John 3:20 NIV
> (20) Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come
> into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
I think a better question is why do Christians attack people to defend
a book?
Jer 8:8 “How do you say, ‘We are wise, and the Torah of YAHWEH is with
us’? But look, the false pen of the scribe has worked falsehood.
Jer 8:9 “The wise shall be put to shame, they shall be broken down and
caught. See, they have rejected the Word of YAHWEH, so what wisdom do
they have?
The case for grace:
In Christian doctrine, everything on Mt. Sinai is now a “weak and
unprofitable” (Heb 7:18) mistake and now we can pick and choose “moral
laws” ourselves that we follow regardless of the fact that the
commandments were written by the hand (Exo 31:18) of the same
“perfect” creator.
YHWH chooses Israel and then proceeds to tell them, not to murder (Exo
20:13), not to sacrifice their children (Psa 106:38), not to spill
innocent blood (Deu 19:10) and then somehow in Christianity, all these
things that are evil and repugnant became an act (committed by the
Romans but blamed on the Jews) that saves the world… How do murder,
human sacrifice and the spilling of his son’s blood redeem the
world? The use of “grace” leads all who practice this faith to hate
YHWH and love “Jesus”. YHWH becomes the evil villain that commands
bad Jews who never listen, Jesus becomes savior for allowing exactly
what men shouldn’t do, be done to him and this act brings about
“grace”. Grace by murder and bloodshed…
The fruit of this grace is that they go to church on a day commanded
by church men, because somehow the unchanging “God”, changed his mind
about what he wrote. Is it a wonder why there are so many atheists
who observe Christians pretending to be self righteous and then raping
altar boys and behaving like devils in use net every day?
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Taste like a lemon to me.
The doctrine of Favor says that YHWH was always forgiving and that his
Son was sent to be a light to the world. Favor says that the perfect
offering is a spiritual offering done in communion to YHWH and that we
should worship are Father in the spirit and ask for forgiveness.
Favor says that we acknowledge our love of YHWH by keeping his Torah
as best we know how and establishing the commandments in our lives and
in return he blesses his children.
Favor says that your beliefs must become action, where as grace says
nothing different then, “Live as you please and if you believe, Ye
shall not die but shall be as God.”
The words you come to associate with your beliefs will become the
instigator of your actions. To change, you must choose to associate
new words to correspond with how you react.
“If you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always
gotten. “
Tony Robbins
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Exo 31:13 “And you, speak to the children of Yisra’ĕl, saying, ‘My
Sabbaths you are to guard, by all means, for it is a sign1 between Me
and you throughout your generations, to know that I, יהוה, am setting
you apart. Footnote: 1The only sign of YAHWEH setting us apart, the
only sign of the everlasting covenant, is His Sabbaths, one of them
being the seventh day Sabbath. This is repeated in Ezek. 20:12 & 20.
Linda Lee
>
On Nov 29, 12:38 am, Randy ® <pulpitf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
On Sat, 11/28/09, at 7:32:53AM, Linda Lee <lyndalee8...@juno.com>
wrote:
> > > Of course you do; why should you have a problem with his belief that
> > > Psalm Two reveals that God is a "psychopath" when your allegation you
> > > believe in God is simply a farce you use as a tool to fight against
> > > Christ and Christianity.
> > That does seem to be the situation.
>
> > Why do men attack the Bible?
>
> > 1) Because they hate having their evil exposed
>
> > John 3:20 NIV
> > (20) Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come
> > into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
>
> I think a better question is why do Christians attack people to defend
> a book?
Refusing to be friendly to people like you is simply adhering to the
teachings of Yahashua` the Messiah, God incarnate as the only Saviour
who taught his apostles to teach us not to welcome or wish success to
people like you who reject Christ's salvation, so you can quit
complaining you are not being treated like a brother, as the apostles
did not teach you are a brother in Christ.
If I encountered you in life, and I could see that you were in need of
food or clothing or medical attention, I would seek to help you;
otherwise I want nothing to do with you and do not wish you success in
your endeavor to destroy people's faith in Christ, so since I would
"do good" to you if you were in need, you can quit your whining that
you aren't being 'loved as an enemy' as well.
The apostle John identifies people like you as "a deceiver and an
antichrist" who does not have God because you reject the doctrine of
Christ as the Saviour and advises believers not to receive you nor
wish you success, and that if we do we are partaking in your evil
deeds:
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess
not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an
antichrist.
2Jn 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we
have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of
Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he
hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine,
receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jn 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil
deeds.
"God speed" -
God·speed. Success or good fortune.
[From Middle English God spede (you), may God prosper (you) : God,
god; see god + spede, third person sing. present subjunctive of
speden, to prosper (from Old English spe-dan, from spe-d, success; see
speed).]" - The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language,
Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2009 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
God⋅speed
/ˈgɒdˈspid/
–noun
good fortune; success (used as a wish to a person starting on a
journey, a new venture, etc.).
Origin:
1250–1300; ME, in the phrase God spede may God prosper (you). See God,
speed
- Dictionary.com Unabridged Based on the Random House Dictionary, ©
Random House, Inc. 2009.
Snow
Isa 33:8 The highways shall be deserted, the wayfaring man shall have
ceased. He has broken the covenant, he has despised the cities, he
respected no man.
During the 1980’s, a very popular song came out by a secular group
called Depeche Mode. In that song they asked a very pertinent
question that all people should take the time to consider but
especially my Christian brothers.
“People are people, So why should it be You and I should get along so
awfully?”
As I examine and interact with Christians, I find a common theme that
rides among all of them, they are attacking each other on every single
topic from things like the Trinity doctrine, the divinity of the
Messiah to such trivial matters as spelling and grammar. Everybody is
attacking other people and the common scream is “LIAR”, “Blasphemer”,
“Anti-Christ” and every other wicked thing they can dredge from
scriptures to attack other people.
Isa 33:7 See, their brave ones shall cry outside, the messengers of
peace weep bitterly.
Now the sad thing is that I believe they do this not because they
believe what they are saying but because they do not believe in the
Almighty by whatever name they call him. A sad state of affairs
exists in the world where everybody wants to be the sole possessor of
“truth” and yet, they haven’t grasped onto the core doctrine they
claim to believe. If they did then they would not be using such
hateful attacks on me or any other person for that matter.
1Pe 2:17 Respect all, love the brotherhood, fear Elohim, respect the
sovereign.
As people of faith go around accusing every other person they meet as
being damned and thereby imposing their own judgment on another man,
they do so with such disdain and lack of faith in every thought they
put out into the creation of Elohim.
Gen 1:26 And Elohim said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to
Our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea, and over the
birds of the heavens, and over the livestock, and over all the earth
and over all the creeping creatures that creep on the earth.”
If they truly believe that there is ONE Almighty creator of the heaven
and the earth, they have forgotten that every contact they make is
with a brother that has been created in the image of Elohim and by
condemning our brothers; we simply express our hatred of Elohim and
not the man that we disagree with.
Jas 3:9 With it we bless our Elohim and Father, and with it we curse
men, who have been made in the likeness of Elohim.
Jas 3:10 Out of the same mouth proceed blessing and cursing. My
brothers, this should not be so.
This is the truest statement that I hope people will take on board
that THIS SHOULD NOT BE SO and yet, this will not stop the majority of
my brothers from condemning and cursing. Why should we stop
condemning people?
Mat 7:1 “Do not judge, lest you be judged.
Mat 7:2 “For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged. And
with the same measure you use, it shall be measured to you.
Because the more we judge others, the more judgment will be laid on
us. Compassion must reign over judgment or we will simply destroy
ourselves, not the one we judge.
Jas 2:13 For the judgment is without compassion to the one who has
shown no compassion. And compassion boasts over judgment.
It’s a sad state that the vast majorities are in, that they do not
understand the Torah; they do not understand Elohim who desires
knowledge of him. They are lost and can’t find their way and so they
run around in condemnation, rebuking all they meet.
Isa 57:21 “There is no peace,” said my Elohim, “for the wrong.”
Every time you lay your judgment on another, you should examine your
own belief system because you have not found peace and this is the
first indication that YOU ARE WRONG, not the person you condemn. Now,
I have found my peace and I condemn no man because it is better to
speak the truth.
I have no fear of the many persistent lies that are spoken about me
and my Messianic brothers who preach keeping the Torah of our Elohim
Yahweh, blessed be his set apart name. I know all too well that the
spiritual wickedness that is in this world has been purposed by my
creator!
Isa 14:26 “This is the counsel that is counseled for all the earth,
and this is the hand that is stretched out over all the nations.
Isa 14:27 “For YAHWEH of hosts has counseled, and who annuls it? And
His hand that is stretched out, who turns it back?”
I certainly know that it is not my hand to turn it back and yet, I
wrestle with the very messengers for my brothers to come out of their
spiritually wicked condemnation.
I know why I have such a different understanding of scriptures then
most other people that I have met. I heed the thousands of cautions
in the scriptures and I seek out the original understanding of the
Hebrew/Aramaic scriptures. I set out on a journey of truth and the
first stage in my journey of discovery was that Paul is not a true
apostle of the Messiah but he is not without wisdom but we are warned
to “beware the leaven”.
Jas 4:11 Brothers, do not speak against one another. He that speaks
against a brother and judges his brother, speaks against Torah and
judges Torah. And if you judge Torah, you are not a doer of Torah but
a judge.
I have been accused of hating Paul and this couldn’t be farther from
the truth, I don’t hate him, I understand him. I understand exactly
why his council has burdened the entire world, because we forgot the
Torah of Yahweh and we do not know right ruling.
Jer 8:7 “Even a stork in the heavens knows her appointed times. And a
turtledove, and a swallow, and a thrush observe the time of their
coming.
But My people do not know the right-ruling of Yahweh.
Jer 8:8 “How do you say, ‘We are wise, and the Torah of Yahweh is with
us’? But look, the false pen of the scribe has worked falsehood.
The first acknowledgement of the people of Yahweh is that WE DO NOT
HAVE HIS TORAH!
I point this out to my extreme legalist brothers that argue over the
keeping of the Torah. How can we keep a Torah that we have not
rightly sought out and accurately translated? In the end, I must
confess that I have limited knowledge and my only recourse of action
is to call for an Elohim and Savior!
Isa 19:20 And it shall be for a sign and for a witness to Yahweh of
hosts in the land of Mitsrayim. When they cry to Yahweh because of the
oppressors, He sends them a Saviour and an Elohim, and shall deliver
them.
Until that day, true followers MUST seek to restore the Torah and
remove the falsehood of the scribes but this is a “Manhatten Project”
level of commitment that requires the help of MANY knowledgeable in
Hebrew. For the greatest shame of mankind is this simple truth, we
worship a deity we do not know beginning with the simplest
understanding that many are quick to point out…. “We don’t even know
how to pronounce his name Yahweh יהוה.”
How lost are we that we don’t even know how to pronounce even his
name? So, who are we to condemn of our brothers?
Jer 8:9 “The wise shall be put to shame, they shall be broken down and
caught. See, they have rejected the Word of Yahweh, so what wisdom do
they have?
Shalom,
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A religious man is a person who holds God and man in one thought at
one time, at all times, who suffers harm done to others, whose
greatest passion is compassion, whose greatest strength is love and
defiance of despair.
Abraham Joshua Heschel
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I have learned that success is to be measured not so much by the
position that one has reached in life as by the obstacles which he has
had to overcome while trying to succeed.
Booker T. Washington
“People are People” by Depeche Mode
So were different colours And were different creeds
And different people Have different needs
It’s obvious you hate me Though I’ve done nothing wrong
I’ve never even met you So what could I have done
I can’t understand What makes a man
Hate another man
Help me understand
Now you’re punching And you’re kicking
And you’re shouting at me And I’m relying on your common decency
So far it hasn’t surfaced But I’m sure it exists
It just takes a while to travel
From your head to your fist (head to your fists)
I can’t understand what makes a man
Hate another man
Help me understand
People are people
So why should it be
You and I should get along so awfully
People are people
So why should it be
You and I should get along so awfully
Me
> 1) Because they hate having their evil exposed
You hate your lie of an inerrant bible being definitively exposed.
> 2) Because they are "natural" men, not spiritual.
God gave you a mind to use as demonstrated in Jesus' Greatest Commandment to
love God with "ALL YOUR MIND" (Matthew
22:37-40) You fail to use your mind at all.
> 3) Because they are "hostile toward God"
...
> 4) Because they are blinded by Satan
...
> 5) Because they are under Satan's control
Uneducated fundamentalists such as Randy Young erroneously believe that any
intelligent Christian who opposes their man-made dogma is either "hostile to
God", "not a true Christian" or under the power of Satan.
The bible that Randy Young luvs more than God says to resist the
devil and he will flee from you. (James 4:7). Why ISN'T that working for
Randy Young ??????
> "Did God really say...?"
ALL the major CULTS of our time did NOT harm others by asking "Did God
really say...?" but BY DEMANDING "THUS SAYETH THE LORD"!!!!!
THINK (something fundamentalists rarely do!) ............
- Jim Jones and the People's Temple "God sayeth to drink the red cordial!"
- David Koresh and the Branch Davidians "God sayeth to fight the law
enforcement officers and burn down the building!"
- TV preacher scandals "God sayeth to give more money so I can spend it on
prostitutes!"
--
The most pronounced characteristics [of fundamentalists] are the following:
(a) a very strong emphasis on the inerrancy of the Bible, the absence from
it of any sort of error;
(b) a strong hostility to modern theology and to the methods, results and
implications of modern critical study of the Bible;
(c) an assurance that those who do not share their religious viewpoint are
not really 'true Christians' at all.
- James Barr "Fundamentalism" (SCM Press:1977) p.1
Complain about Randy Young's ABUSE to ab...@giganews.com
singin4free
Thanks, but I have no redeeming qualities, though I have been redeemed
by the One who does, as it says:
"Praise Yahweh, my soul! All that is within me, praise his holy name!
Praise Yahweh, my soul, and don’t forget all his benefits;
Who forgives all your sins; who heals all your diseases;
***Who redeems your life from destruction;***
Who crowns you with loving kindness and tender mercies;
Who satisfies your desire with good things,
So that your youth is renewed like the eagle’s." - Psalm 103:1-5 (WEB)
"Jesus Messiah
Name above all names
Blessed Redeemer
Emmanuel
The rescue for sinners
The ransom from Heaven
Jesus Messiah
Lord of all" - (from the song "Jesus Messiah" by Chris Tomlin)
Snow
> > Pure fantasy. At least you do not sound like some here, a redeeming
> > quality.
>
> Thanks, but I have no redeeming qualities, though I have been redeemed
> by the One who does, as it says:
>
> "Praise Yahweh, my soul! All that is within me, praise his holy name!
> Praise Yahweh, my soul, and don’t forget all his benefits;
> Who forgives all your sins; who heals all your diseases;
> ***Who redeems your life from destruction;***
> Who crowns you with loving kindness and tender mercies;
> Who satisfies your desire with good things,
> So that your youth is renewed like the eagle’s." - Psalm 103:1-5 (WEB)
>
> "Jesus Messiah
> Name above all names
> Blessed Redeemer
> Emmanuel
> The rescue for sinners
> The ransom from Heaven
> Jesus Messiah
> Lord of all" - (from the song "Jesus Messiah" by Chris Tomlin)
(WEB) Joe 2:32 It will happen that whoever will call
on the name of Yahweh shall be saved;
for in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be those who escape,
as Yahweh has said,
and among the remnant, those whom Yahweh calls.
You surprise me by using a restored name version but this still leaves
you in conflict.
Joe 2:26 You will have plenty to eat, and be satisfied,
and will praise the name of Yahweh, your God,
who has dealt wondrously with you;
and my people will never again be disappointed.
Joe 2:27 You will know that I am in the midst of Israel,
and that I am Yahweh, your God, and there is no one else;
and my people will never again be disappointed.
Isa 45:19 I have not spoken in secret,
in a place of the land of darkness.
I didn’t say to the seed of Jacob, ‘Seek me in vain.’
I, Yahweh, speak righteousness.
I declare things that are right.
Isa 45:20 “Assemble yourselves and come.
Draw near together, you who have escaped from the nations.
Those have no knowledge who carry the wood of their engraved image,
and pray to a god that can’t save.
Isa 45:21 Declare and present it.
Yes, let them take counsel together.
Who has shown this from ancient time?
Who has declared it of old?
Haven’t I, Yahweh?
There is no other God besides me, a just God and a Savior;
There is no one besides me.
Isa 45:22 “Look to me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth;
for I am God, and there is no other.
Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word has gone out of my mouth in
righteousness, and will not return, that to me every knee shall bow,
every tongue shall take an oath.
Isa 45:24 They will say of me, ‘There is righteousness and strength
only in Yahweh.’”
Even to him shall men come; and all those who were incensed against
him shall be disappointed.
Isa 45:25 In Yahweh shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and
shall glory.
Snow
(WEB)
Joe 2:32 It will happen that whoever will call on the name of Yahweh
shall be saved;
for in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be those who escape,
as Yahweh has said,
and among the remnant, those whom Yahweh calls.
No matter where you go in a restored name version, it still leaves
Christian doctrine in conflict. Sorry but this is reality.
singin4free
> No matter where you go in a restored name version, it still leaves
> Christian doctrine in conflict. Sorry but this is reality.
Only if you do not understand that Jesus is the Word of Yahweh who was
in the beginning with Yahweh and WAS Yahweh (John 1:1), who became
flesh and dwelt among us (John 1:14). Yahweh is one God, eternally
existent in three Persons, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
These three are One. There is no conflict once you understand this.
Jesus wept over Jerusalem and said:
Mat 23:37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets, and stones
those who are sent to her! How often *I* would have gathered your
children together, even as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings,
and you would not!
Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left to you desolate.
Mat 23:39 For I tell you, you will not see me from now on, until you
say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!’”
Jesus speaks here as the God of Israel because that is who he is.
In John he made this claim openly:
Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before
Abraham was, I am.
Joh 8:59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: ...
They took up stones because they realized he was claiming to be the
same I AM who spoke to Moses in the burning bush.
And Jesus calls himself the Alpha and the Omega:
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first
and the last.
Just as Yahweh calls himself the First and the Last:
Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the
LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there
is no God.
So, there is no conflict.
Snow
I always find it interesting that the moment I bring you up on using
restored name versions, you revert to removing his name again. I
admire your faith and respect your belief and respect that you are
entitled to your understanding of things. I wish you well with your
faith and hope that you can move from conflict mode to understanding
other people.
I appreciate your dialog because as other people have pointed out, you
are not like other Christians to the extent that you have placed
judgment on me even if you might believe you are right to do so. You
are doing very well in your walk of faith my friend.. I wish you well.
Mat 7:1 “Do not judge, lest you be judged.
Mat 7:2 “For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged. And
with the same measure you use, it shall be measured to you.
Be blessed in your walk.
singin4free
> On Nov 29, 2:42 pm, singin4free <jffry...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I always find it interesting that the moment I bring you up on using
> restored name versions, you revert to removing his name again. I
> admire your faith and respect your belief and respect that you are
> entitled to your understanding of things. I wish you well with your
> faith and hope that you can move from conflict mode to understanding
> other people.
If a person does not like my translation, I have given the chapter and
verse references, so it is easy for them to look it up in whatever
version they like, even in another language. I use many translations
for numerous reasons. First, all translations have errors, so
comparing them is a better way than staying with a single version.
Second, having read certain ones more when I was young, I remember
verses better in them, thus easier to look up. Third, God has provided
us in this day and age with free access to most of them, so it is
truly ungrateful not to use this gift. There are some places where a
person is glad to have one page torn from an illegal Bible in his own
tongue. How precious is God's Word!
Linda Lee
On Nov 29, 2:43 am, Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
> On Nov 29, 2:42 pm, singin4free <jffry...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
>
> are not like other Christians to the extent that you have placed
> judgment on me even if you might believe you are right to do so.
> You are doing very well in your walk of faith my friend.. I wish you well.
>
> Mat 7:1 “Do not judge, lest you be judged.
> Mat 7:2 “For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged. And
> with the same measure you use, it shall be measured to you.
It is not judging to discern what you are. And "singin4free"
accurately said this of you: "Your words are often judgmental, mean,
nasty, blasphemous and offensive." I guess you only see what you want
to see whether it is Scripture quoted to you or a comment made to you
personally.
The apostle John identifies people like you as "a deceiver and an
antichrist" who does not have God because you reject the doctrine of
Christ as the Saviour and advises believers not to "receive" (i.e.
accept) you nor wish you success, and that if we do accept you, we are
Snow
> If a person does not like my translation, I have given the chapter and
> verse references, so it is easy for them to look it up in whatever
> version they like, even in another language. I use many translations
> for numerous reasons. First, all translations have errors, so
> comparing them is a better way than staying with a single version.
> Second, having read certain ones more when I was young, I remember
> verses better in them, thus easier to look up. Third, God has provided
> us in this day and age with free access to most of them, so it is
> truly ungrateful not to use this gift. There are some places where a
> person is glad to have one page torn from an illegal Bible in his own
> tongue. How precious is God's Word!
In that place where a person is glad to have one page torn from an
illegal Bible, he is truly lost if he must look outside himself and
disobey the powers that be.
1Pe 2:17 Respect all, love the brotherhood, fear Elohim, respect the
sovereign.
1Pe 2:18 Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear, not only
to the good and gentle, but also to the crooked ones.
1Pe 2:19 For this is favour, if because of conscience toward Elohim
anyone bears up under grief, suffering unrighteously.
1Pe 2:20 For what credit is there in enduring a beating when you sin?
But if you suffer for doing good and you endure, this finds favour
with Elohim.
The word of YAHWEH can not be taken away or decreed against by man's
law for it is with you; it can be within you and dwell inside of you.
Mat 9:8 And when the crowds saw it, they marvelled and praised Elohim
who had given such authority to men.
I mourn that man that looks outside himself and doesn't recognize his
own divinity, that yes; he was created in the image of Adam, who was
created in the image of Elohim.
“We never know how high we are
Till we are called to rise;
And then, if we are true to plan,
Our statures touch the skies—
The Heroism we recite
Would be a daily thing,
Did not ourselves the Cubits warp
For fear to be a King—“
By Emily Dickenson
Yahweh is not a man, Elohim is SPIRIT.
Joh 4:24 “Elohim is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship
in spirit and truth.”
Num 23:19 El is not a man, nor the son of man …
Mal 3:6 For I am YAHWEH, I change not
The point isn’t if Yehoshua is one with Yahweh, we know this by his
works, the point is, “Are you one with Yahweh?” and the reality is
that until you have learned to manifest the signs, YOU ARE NOT.
Joh 14:21 “He who possesses My commands and guards them, it is he who
loves Me. And he who loves Me shall be loved by My Father, and I shall
love him and manifest Myself in him.”
Nobody argues that the spirit spoke THROUGH men, so why do they assume
things are different for themselves? Christians don’t argue that a
spirit spoke through Paul, Peter, James, Jude, Matthew, Mark, Luke,
John but when it comes to the self, they apply a disconnection and
look outside themselves.
1Jn 4:9 By this the love of Elohim was manifested in us
1Pe 2:21 For to this you were called, because Messiah also suffered
for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps,
That you should follow in his steps and be “Christ like” is simply
something no person of faith should ever consider speaking against but
still, they do not believe in their own divinity or the fact that they
are created in his image.
Respond directly:
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Num 6:24 “Yahweh bless you and guard you;
Num 6:25 Yahweh make His face shine upon you, and show favour to you;
Num 6:26 Yahweh lift up His face upon you, and give you peace.” ’
Shalom,
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“This is my letter to the world,
That never wrote to me, -
The simple news that Nature told,
With tender majesty.
Her message is committed
To hands I cannot see;
For love of her, sweet countrymen,
Judge tenderly of me!”
By Emily Dickinson
Exo 20:7 “You do not bring the Name of 'Yud-Heh-Vav-Heh [translated
Yahweh] your Elohim to naught, for Yahweh does not leave the one
unpunished who brings His Name to naught.
A few can touch the magic string, and noisy fame is proud to win them:
Alas for those that never sing, but die with all their music in them!
Oliver Wendell Holmes
Snow
> > Mat 7:1 “Do not judge, lest you be judged.
> > Mat 7:2 “For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged. And
> > with the same measure you use, it shall be measured to you.
>
> I guess you only see what you want
> to see whether it is Scripture quoted to you or a comment made to you
> personally.
It is good that you have come to this recognition for in it you
recognize my sovereignty. Your judgment does not define me, it
defines yourself and your need to be another's judge.
Jas 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Master, and He shall
lift you up.
Jas 4:11 Brothers, do not speak against one another. He that speaks
against a brother and judges his brother, speaks against Torah and
judges Torah. And if you judge Torah, you are not a doer of Torah but
a judge.
Jas 4:12 There is one Lawgiver and Judge, who is able to save and to
destroy. Who are you to judge another?
I have no desire to judge you but I have determined what is right for
myself and in this you will find that my value of you is naught and
you are only worth ignoring as you pour yourself into the void that is
the history of usenet. You are a typical Christian using words to
condemn everybody but yourself as you "quote" scriptures you think
everybody else needs to apply to life BUT YOU.
Instead of quoting Christ, be like Christ and only then will you be
heard by me.
Snow
Mat 16:4 “A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and
no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet Yonah.”
And He left them and went away.
The wicked seek signs and in the modern world many have been
constructed by the hands of men that tie in to the book of
Revelation. Obvious signs for all those who know what to look for are
hidden everywhere from the neighbourhood Masonic lodge to world
capitols and religious centers. These signs are clues to the depth of
deception swallowing the world who believe they are building
societies. The thing to remember is that all these signs are not for
us but for the wicked. The wicked will be given plenty of signs to
follow and follow they will but as followers of our heavenly Father,
we are to pay no credence to them.
Isa 45:20 “Gather yourselves and come; draw near together, you who
have escaped from the gentiles. No knowledge have they who are lifting
up the wood of their carved image, and pray to a mighty one that does
not save.
Scriptures tell us they don’t know a thing. The signs are misleading
and a dead end but it does help us to understand what the wicked have
planned and that they have laid plans.
Psa 74:4 Your adversaries have roared In the midst of Your meeting
places; They have set up their own signs as signs.
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua/web/signs-and-seals
The only power of a sign is mass hypnosis. People believe the signs
and create the self fulfilling prophesies of these manufactured ideas,
created by other men. The signs we look for can’t be replicated by
men, so I don’t care about the “age of Aquarius”, new age signs
because they mean very little to me.
Isa 44:25 frustrating the signs of the babblers, and driving diviners
mad, turning wise men backward, and making their knowledge foolish,
Man made signs are nothing for us to be concerned about but what more
important is understanding that we are being tested as faithful to our
heavenly Father and trusting that he will provide.
Isa 48:10 “See, I have refined you, but not as silver; I have chosen
you in the furnace of affliction.
In the book of Revelations we have signs and seals.
Rev 12:3 And another sign was seen in the heaven: and see, a great,
fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns on
his heads.
And a thousand different web sites are written about these passage and
I’m here to tell you, ignore them.
Jer 10:2 Thus said Yahweh, “Do not learn the way of the gentiles, and
do not be awed by the signs of the heavens, for the gentiles are awed
by them.
Instead of looking for signs and seals, learn to look past the smoke
and mirrors because you are looking in the wrong direction when you
do. You’re being tested when signs appear.
Jer 32:20 ‘For You have set signs and wonders in the land of
Mitsrayim, to this day, and in Yisra’ĕl and among other men. And You
have made Yourself a Name, as it is this day.
He sets those signs of for spiritual Egypt and we only need one sign,
the sign of the Sabbath.
Eze 20:12 “And I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them
and Me, to know that I am YAHWEH who sets them apart.
If you start to think of your spiritual journey as going down the
highway of life, you realize that the road is cluttered with signs.
Now children spend time looking at all the signs and it’s not a bad
thing to do that but as the driver, you don’t spend your time focused
on signs when you know where you’re going. Signs are for those people
who are LOST and need help finding the right road to take:
Eze 21:21 “For the sovereign of Baḇel shall stand at the parting of
the way, at the fork of the two ways, to practise divination. He shall
shake the arrows, he shall ask the household idols, he shall look at
the liver.
The liver is the organ that purifies toxins from the blood.
Mat 7:13 “Enter in through the narrow gate! Because the gate is wide –
and the way is broad – that leads to destruction, and there are many
who enter in through it.
Mat 7:14 “Because the gate is narrow and the way is hard pressed which
leads to life, and there are few who find it. Footnote: 1Or the way is
afflicted.
Mat 7:15 “But beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s
clothing, but inwardly they are savage wolves. Footnote: 1See v. 23
Know the signs to look for and don’t get bogged down on signs and
seals that don’t concern you. It’s better to know the season. So
many people have become false prophets by proclaiming signs and saying
the end is near. They are not on the road but have been shaken from
the path. The way is hard pressed and dangerous, filled with wolves
and those who would devour you and waste your time with false signs.
Mat 24:37 “And as the days of Noaḥ, so also shall the coming of the
Son of Aḏam be.
The signs are already here...
Mat 24:42 “Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Master
is coming.
Mat 24:43 “And know this, that if the master of the house had known
what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed
his house to be broken into.
Mat 24:44 “Because of this, be ready too, for the Son of Aḏam is
coming at an hour when you do not expect Him.
Mat 24:45 “Who then is a trustworthy and wise servant, whom his master
set over his household, to give them food in season?
Mat 24:46 “Blessed is that servant whom his master, having come, shall
find so doing.
Shalom,
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Linda Lee
> On Nov 30, 1:46 am,LindaLee<lyndalee8...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > > Mat 7:1 “Do not judge, lest you be judged.
> > > Mat 7:2 “For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged. And
> > > with the same measure you use, it shall be measured to you.
>
> > I guess you only see what you want
> > to see whether it is Scripture quoted to you or a comment made to you
> > personally.
>
> It is good that you have come to this recognition for in it you
> recognize my sovereignty.
Your sovereignty? ROFLOL! Either your ignorance is showing as you do
not know the meaning of sovereignty, or your egomaniacal delusions are
showing, and you think you're the supreme power.
What I recognize is your ignorance of all of the Scriptures, and your
stubbornness in rejecting those in the Old and New Testaments that
reveal God as the Christ.
Main Entry: sovereign
Variant: also sovran
Function: adjective
1 : possessed of supreme power sovereign ruler>
2 : enjoying autonomy <sovereign states>
3 : relating to, characteristic of, or befitting a sovereign
Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law, © 1996 Merriam-Webster, Inc.
You are subject to Christ's judgment just like everyone else; you can
deny him all you like, it won't make a difference; you have no
sovereignty.
> Your judgment does not define me, it
> defines yourself and your need to be another's judge.
It is not my judgment of you; it is Christ's warning about such as
you. You are a "deceiver" and "an antichrist" because you deny Christ
as the Saviour.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess
not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. ___This is a deceiver and
an antichrist.___
2Jn 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we
have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of
Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he
hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine,
receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jn 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil
deeds.
> Jas 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Master, and He shall
> lift you up.
> Jas 4:11 Brothers, do not speak against one another. He that speaks
> against a brother and judges his brother, speaks against Torah and
> judges Torah. And if you judge Torah, you are not a doer of Torah but
> a judge.
> Jas 4:12 There is one Lawgiver and Judge, who is able to save and to
> destroy. Who are you to judge another?
You are not a brother in the faith; you cannot be both a "deceiver"
and "an antichrist" and a "brother" at the same time. And James
teaches Christ's doctrine, so the one Lawgiver and Judge he refers to
is God/Christ.
Snow
> > > I guess you only see what you want
> > > to see whether it is Scripture quoted to you or a comment made to you
> > > personally.
>
> > It is good that you have come to this recognition for in it you
> > recognize my sovereignty.
>
> Your sovereignty? ROFLOL! Either your ignorance is showing as you do
> not know the meaning of sovereignty, or your egomaniacal delusions are
> showing, and you think you're the supreme power.
>
> What I recognize is your ignorance of all of the Scriptures, and your
> stubbornness in rejecting those in the Old and New Testaments that
> reveal God as the Christ.
>
> Main Entry: sovereign
> Variant: also sovran
> Function: adjective
> 2 : enjoying autonomy <sovereign states>
Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free
indeed.
Linda Lee
Guess you're not free Snowjob, since you reject the Son of God as the
only Saviour.
Snow
> > > Main Entry: sovereign
> > > Variant: also sovran
> > > Function: adjective
> > > 2 : enjoying autonomy <sovereign states>
>
> > Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free
> > indeed.
>
> Guess
Joh 12:44 Then Yehoshua cried out and said, “He who believes in Me,
believes NOT IN ME but in Him who sent Me.
Mar 9:37 “Whoever receives one of such little children in My Name
receives Me. And whoever receives Me, RECEIVES ME NOT, but the One WHO
SENT ME.”
Guessed wrong. I believe but you reject these passages and reject the
one who SENT HIM.
Linda Lee
> On Dec 1, 6:23 am,LindaLee<lyndalee8...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Main Entry: sovereign
> > > > Variant: also sovran
> > > > Function: adjective
> > > > 2 : enjoying autonomy <sovereign states>
>
> > > Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free
> > > indeed.
>
> > of God as the only Saviour.
>
> Joh 12:44 Then Yehoshua cried out and said, “He who believes in Me,
> believes NOT IN ME but in Him who sent Me.
> Mar 9:37 “Whoever receives one of such little children in My Name
> receives Me. And whoever receives Me, RECEIVES ME NOT, but the One WHO
> SENT ME.”
>
> Guessed wrong. I believe but you reject these passages and reject the
> one who SENT HIM.
I don't reject them at all and have explained them to you before. If
Christ had been only a man, anyone receiving him would of course be
receiving him. (You can comprehend this so far, right? Probably not.)
He was not just a man, but God, so anyone receiving him was receiving
God. But you're spiritually blind, so you just find that mind
boggling. It's really sad to see someone spiritually dead like
yourself try to figure out the Scriptures...
You do NOT HAVE THE FATHER because you do not honor the SON the SAME
AS THE FATHER:
John 5:23, "That all men should honour [REVERE] the Son, even as they
honour [REVERE] the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth
not the Father which hath sent him".
ALL MEN SHOULD REVERE THE SON EVEN AS THEY REVERE THE FATHER. HE WHO
DOES NOT REVERE THE SON DOES NOT REVERE THE FATHER.
I know you reject that (because you are a "deceiver" and "an
antichrist" - 2 John 1:7), but that is what the Scriptures say; those
are the teachings of Yahashua` the Messiah.
Snow
Psst.. revere me then woman... I AM the Son...
Psa 82:6 I, I said, “You are elohim, And ALL of you are sons of the
Most High.
Psa 82:7 “But as men you die, And fall as one of the heads.”
On November 18, 1978, cult leader Jim Jones led what has been called,
“The Jones Town Massacre”. 912 followers of American cult leader Jim
Jones ("Peoples Temple") died in a remote South American jungle
compound called "Jonestown" in British Guyana. Some members were shot,
others were forced to drink poison, but most willingly participated in
what Jones said was an act of "revolutionary suicide." More than 280
children were killed. Jim Jones body was found at Jonestown, fatally
wounded by a gunshot to the head.
I thought share that with you before you move on because I pose a hard
question for you today. It’s a beautiful sunny holiday break from
work and you are with your church congregation. The sky is blue
without a cloud in the sky and shadows are coming across the walls of
the court yard of the assembly.
Today we have another cult leader and when he came into town, most of
the city hailed him as the “Son of Yahweh” as he rode into town.
Today, you are the jury to decide the fate of a man on trial. When
questioned by government authorities, the man only replied, “You would
possess no authority against Me if it were not given you from above.
Because of this, he who delivered Me to you has greater sin.”
Your church leader, who is standing watching over you, has said, “It
was better that one man should die for the people.” And as you guessed
the man on trial is Yehoshua the Messiah, Son of Elohim.
Knowing all the information before hand… given all the history that
you now know… I pose to you this question… If you were one of the
many people in that square, even having the hindsight that you have of
all the events of world history, would you have voted for his
execution?
For those of you who automatically say no, hold up… because if you
believe that all of human history to follow is saved by this one man’s
blood on that cross... Aren’t you condemning billions to hell?
So… who would you free? Barabbas the serial killer or Yehoshua, The
king of the Jews.
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You are not among the sons of God, but are a child of the Devil.
You do NOT HAVE THE FATHER because you do not honor the SON the SAME
AS THE FATHER:
John 5:23, "That all men should honour [REVERE] the Son, even as they
honour [REVERE] the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth
not the Father which hath sent him".
ALL MEN SHOULD REVERE THE SON EVEN AS THEY REVERE THE FATHER. HE WHO
DOES NOT REVERE THE SON DOES NOT REVERE THE FATHER.
<snip garbled babble from Snowjob, the author of confusion>
Snow
The difference is between practicing what he preached and quoting what
he preached. Don't just quote it, he was an example, not a deity...
what happened to those magic powers you claimed that your suddenly
posting to MY THREADS again?
Linda Lee
I didn't claim any magic powers, and you don't own any threads,
imbecile. You truly are just an internet crazy...
Snow
> > The difference is between practicing what he preached and quoting what
> > he preached. Don't just quote it, he was an example, not a deity...
> > what happened to those magic powers you claimed that your suddenly
> > posting to MY THREADS again?
>
> I didn't claim any magic powers, and you don't own any threads,
> imbecile. You truly are just an internet crazy...
"Silence, antichrist deceiver; all believers have authority over such
demoniacs as you. "
Where is this authority now? Oh, thats right, I'm not a demon and you
have no authority. Keep posting to the threads I start Linda.. :p
Trinity subscribing “Christians” must make Orwellian leaps of circular
logic to believe that Jesus is a deity that sought worship. They have
to ignore most of what he taught and dwell in a mistranslation of
scriptures from a completely unreliable PAGAN source, the Roman
Catholic Church of the 3rd Century that was in fact a POLYTHEISTIC
society.
The fact that the Greek text was either altered or based on a
completely unrelated religion to the Hebrew faith is indisputable and
explains why the modern church worships “Jesus” who’s name is never
even mentioned in Hebrew. This primary alteration becomes obvious
when one takes into account that Zechariah recorded the name of the
coming Messiah as Yehoshua in Zechariah 6:11-12.
Then you have the alteration of the removal of the name of Yehoshua’s
deity, YAHWEH that becomes easily demonstrated to any person that
would bother to research even a cursory passage like:
Mar 12:35 And YEHOSHUA responding, said, while teaching in the Set-
apart Place, “How is it that the scribes say that the Messiah is the
Son of Dawiḏ?
Mar 12:36 “Daviḏ himself said by the Set-apart Spirit, YAHWEH said to
my Master, “Sit at My right hand, until I make Your enemies a
footstool of Your feet.” ’
We know what David said in Hebrew, it’s recorded in Psalm 110. That
the Messiah sits at the RIGHT hand of power must also be ignored by
those who would tell you that you must worship Jesus.
Where did his master sit? At his right hand… what does Yehoshua
teach?
Mat 20:23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and
be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my
RIGHT HAND, and on my left, is NOT MINE TO GIVE, but it shall be GIVEN
TO THEM for whom it is prepared of my Father.
Only YHWH can give title and authority to sit at his right hand.
Yehoshua did not have authority to give what was not his to give.
Mar 10:40 But to sit on my right hand and on my left hand is NOT MINE
TO GIVE; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared.
Confirmed by two witnesses!
Mar 14:62 And Yehoshua said, I am and ye shall see the Son of man
sitting on the RIGHT HAND of power, and coming in the clouds of
heaven.
Mar 16:19 So then after Yehoshua had spoken unto them, he was received
up into heaven, and sat on the RIGHT HAND of YHWH.
We see that just as Psalm 110 reads, the Messiah sits at the RIGHT
HAND of Power, YHWH! But.. I would point out that the entire 144,000
are at the right hand. Yehoshua is not alone in his esteem and as
I’ve pointed out on many occasions, “God” is a mistranslation that
“Christians” must cling to because it takes the plural Elohim, which
ALL are part of to make a singular deity but even Moses was Elohim and
we don’t worship him.
Exo 7:1 So YAHWEH said to Mosheh, “See, I have made you an elohim1 to
Pharaoh, and Aharon your brother is your prophet. Footnote: 1Or mighty
one – see footnote at 4:16.
The King James Perversion of scriptures and all those based in it are
simply lies. Trinity practicing Christians have no desire for the
truth and so they continue to deny these very simple facts.
Num 23:19 El is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man,
that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath
he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
Mal 3:6 For I am YHWH, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are
not consumed.
Then you have the fact that Yehoshua cried out to and prayed to his
deity that he acknowledged usually as, “the Father” and he said that
he was “in heaven” while he was on earth.
Mat 6:9 “This, then, is the way you should pray: ‘Our Father who is in
the heavens, let Your Name be set-apart,
(King James perVersion) Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour, Iesus
cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, Lamasabachthani, that is to
say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
That he had a deity and was unable to do anything of his own, are not
traits of the Almighty Yahweh who is a SPIRIT according to John.
Joh 4:24 “Elohim is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship
in spirit and truth.”
Further… Christians must believe that the Messiah never actually died
because the dead do not resurrect themselves by the very definition of
the word. No, there was a power greater than him that performed the
Miracle and Luke plainly speaks to this:
Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Yehoshua of Nazareth, a
man approved of YHWH among you by miracles and wonders and signs,
which YHWH did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
A clearly says he is a man, NOT A DEITY. So, I honor the Messiah by
keeping his teachings as they were put down in the Good News and by
his own words we are NOT to receive him as creator Father but the one
who SENT him.
Joh 12:44 Then Yehoshua cried out and said, “He who believes in Me,
believes NOT IN ME but in Him who sent Me.
Mar 9:37 “Whoever receives one of such little children in My Name
receives Me. And whoever receives Me, RECEIVES ME NOT, but the One WHO
SENT ME.”
Then who should we serve?
Isa 42:8 I am YAHWEH: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to
another, neither my praise to graven images.
There is only ONE.
Mar 12:29 And Yehoshua answered him, The first of all the commandments
is, Hear, O Israel; YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thy heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
Here we have a direct quote of Deuteronomy so that we can have no
doubt exactly what is said in the Hebrew:
Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thine heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
This is easily confirmed in that passage all Trinity Christians must
ignore:
Mat 4:10 Then YEHOSHUA said to him, “Go, Satan! For it has been
written, ‘You shall worship YAHWEH your Elohim, and Him alone you
shall serve.’ ”1 Footnote: 1Dt. 6:13.
He never said, “worship me”.
Isa 45:15 Truly You are El, who hide Yourself, O Elohim of IsraEL,
Saviour!
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them.” 6 And going out they went through the villages, bringing the
Good News and healing everywhere.
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responsibility to give something back by becoming more.
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Some people hate and expect affection
Some people lie and demand the truth
I gotta ask myself if it's soul deception
Is this the natural thing that we all just do
We take such pleasure from pain,
I'm just tired of playing that game
Some things you've got to change
Chorus:
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Stand and deliver, just give me something to hold
Stand and deliver, if the truth can be told
We can make it together, if we stand - stand and deliver
Linda Lee
> On Dec 3, 9:25 am,LindaLee<lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > > The difference is between practicing what he preached and quoting what
> > > he preached. Don't just quote it, he was an example, not a deity...
> > > what happened to those magic powers you claimed that your suddenly
> > > posting to MY THREADS again?
>
> > I didn't claim any magic powers, and you don't own any threads,
> > imbecile. You truly are just an internet crazy...
>
> "Silence, antichrist deceiver; all believers have authority over such
> demoniacs as you. "
>
> Where is this authority now?
> Oh, thats right, I'm not a demon
A matter of opinion.
<snip Snowjob's repeated spamming of the same old tired confusion and
misinterpretation of the Scriptures>
Snow
On Dec 4, 1:03 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
> Vera, it is difficult, but we should try to remember it actually
> _benefits_ us when we are slandered and degraded, vilified, because we
> are Christians that unbelievers deem unworthy or even 'satanic' just
> as they did the Messiah:
Is that why you slander everybody else on a daily bases? You have to
love a mentality that says slander everybody else but when it happens
to us, were "Christians" being martyred for our faith instead of
simply getting back just what you put out on a daily bases to
everybody else...
Mat 7:2 “For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged. And
with the same measure you use, it shall be measured to you.
What comes around, goes around. Thanks for the proof and keeping MY
threads active:)
“Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting
different results. “
Albert Einstein
I think that people might find it interesting that we can learn a lot
from stalkers, web trolls and spammers. Many people on usenet have
discovered a deep truth by the collective of these people that have an
insane need to attack other people… It is insanity to post the same
messages to people expecting different results and I have to admit, at
times I’ve been guilty of that same insanity but I’m learning from it
an important truth:
“Where Focus goes, energy flows”
To me, if religion isn’t helping other people work out problems, its
just vanity being shouted from the pulpit. In Hebrew religion and the
religion of the Messiah, the FOCUS was on the spirit YAHWEH, on belief
and on helping others though healing and teachings.
Denis Waitley says, “Don't dwell on what went wrong. Instead, focus on
what to do next. Spend your energies on moving forward toward finding
the answer.”
I believe in explaining the same principle in several different ways
and by doing this, it’s my hope that the real life examples I speak
about help the reader to know how to apply these basic principles in
their own life.
Finding a different way to communicate the same message is something
that I work on developing. If we consider the patters of the person
attacking another person’s point of view, we come to realize that we
empower the very things we are against but I didn’t always understand
this notion until I got into a spam war with other users.
People would tell me, “don’t feed the troll” and I didn’t listen to
them because I didn’t consider the principle (“where focus goes”) but
the more I posted to the threads of those people I considered insane,
the more their threads stayed at the top of the board… I posted a
response and the link to his message went straight back to the top
where some other person would tell me, “if you stop posting to him he
will go away”.
Henry Rollins said, “To hate is to show you still care, who needs
that, focus on what's really important.”
Mat 5:44 “But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those cursing
you, do good to those hating you, and pray for those insulting you and
persecuting you,
Positive action does not come about by negative contemplation. We
can’t bring about world peace by going to war or thinking combat is a
solution to anything. War must be thought of as a mental illness that
is not an option. Instead of attacking population centers, simply cut
off the heads of state that promote this agenda.
We are not going to find solutions to world poverty, hunger or
environmental destruction by focusing on the problems; we must find a
better solution to them. I can throw a barrel of money and food at
the starving poor people but until they are taught how to provide for
themselves, I haven’t done them any favors except reward apathy like a
welfare system does.
Rod Blagojevich says, “A successful economic development strategy must
focus on improving the skills of the area's workforce, reducing the
cost of doing business and making available the resources business
needs to compete and thrive in today's global economy.” Notice that
he doesn’t talk about what people don’t have? Anything successful
must focus on the resources already available and making use of what
we have and improving that. Finally, we do not teach the Good News by
focusing on false ministry and attacking everybody else’s belief and
it’s for this reason the Messiah taught:
Mat 10:13 “And if the house is worthy, let your peace come upon it.
But if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you.” 14 “And
whoever does not receive you nor hear your words, when you leave that
house or city, shake off the dust from your feet.”
You are either part of the problem or part of the solution and the
axiom that says, “Give a man a fish, feed him for a day, teach a man
to fish, feed him for life”… Let’s make some fishermen and provide
some solutions.
The question is, who has the best solution and who has problems? I
always think that what brings out the best in people is competition.
Do you have a problem? I wonder if somebody would follow this up by
telling me what is wrong and see if a solution comes from talking
about it… but if you take anything away from this I hope you learn to
count your blessings and stop dwelling on what you don’t have.
Num 6:24 “Yahweh bless you and guard you;
Num 6:25 Yahweh make His face shine upon you, and show favour to you;
Num 6:26 Yahweh lift up His face upon you, and give you peace.” ’
Shalom,
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And if you go to draw at the true fountainhead, the more water you
draw, the more abundant is its flow.
Antoine de Saint-Exupery
A test of a people is how it behaves toward the old. It is easy to
love children. Even tyrants and dictators make a point of being fond
of children. But the affection and care for the old, the incurable,
the helpless are the true gold mines of a culture.
Abraham Joshua Heschel
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Linda Lee
> On Dec 4, 2:26 am,LindaLee<lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 2, 9:43 pm, Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 3, 9:25 am,LindaLee<lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > The difference is between practicing what he preached and quoting what
> > > > > he preached. Don't just quote it, he was an example, not a deity...
> > > > > what happened to those magic powers you claimed that your suddenly
> > > > > posting to MY THREADS again?
>
> > > > I didn't claim any magic powers, and you don't own any threads,
> > > > imbecile. You truly are just an internet crazy...
>
> > > "Silence, antichrist deceiver; all believers have authority over such
> > > demoniacs as you. "
>
> > > Where is this authority now?
> > > Oh, thats right, I'm not a demon
>
> > A matter of opinion.
>
> > <snip Snowjob's repeated spamming of the same old tired confusion and
> > misinterpretation of the Scriptures>
>
>
> > Vera, it is difficult, but we should try to remember it actually
> > _benefits_ us when we are slandered and degraded, vilified, because we
> > are Christians that unbelievers deem unworthy or even 'satanic' just
> > as they did the Messiah:
> Is that why you slander everybody else on a daily bases?
BASIS! NOT "bases".
> You have to
> love a mentality that says slander everybody else but when it happens
> to us, were "Christians" being martyred for our faith instead of
> simply getting back just what you put out on a daily bases to
> everybody else...
You are mistaken that your being identified as an antichrist is
slander, as slander must be false. Slander is also verbal, not
written; you're thinking of libel and for something to be libel, it
must also be false.
I can't help it that the teachings of the Messiah in the New Testament
identify one such as you as a deceiver and an antichrist. IF I taught
your antichrist message (which I don't); it would apply to me as well.
> Mat 7:2 “For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged. And
> with the same measure you use, it shall be measured to you.
> What comes around, goes around.
Are you implying punishment in Hell, a concept you've just denied in
another thread, by saying others make threats of a "non-existent
hell"? Your hypocrisy knows no bounds. (And the saying is 'What goes
around, comes around'; NOT "What comes around, goes around", whose
meaning is backwards from what you put out (What goes around) comes
back to you (comes around). You often get things backwards; why is
that?
You have a really strange one-man religion. You believe in demons, but
don't believe in good angels; you believe in a Creator God, but not a
Saviour God - for what could a Saviour God save us from, except the
Hell you claim doesn't exist?
Snow
> > Is that why you slander everybody else on a daily bases?
>
> BASIS! NOT "bases".
Speaking of Bases.
“I don't oppose all wars. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I
am opposed to is a rash war.”
Barack Obama
Why are we at war in Afghanistan and Iraq? Can anybody really tell me?
Eight years ago, we entered these countries under the excuse of
retaliatory for the 9/11 attacks but that was 2001 and this is almost
9 years later. Saddam Hussein is dead and gone; there are no weapons
of mass destruction and President Obama promised to end the war and
yet, here we are a year after he’s been elected and more troops are
being deployed.
“The surge troops have been deployed to Afghanistan by the end of
Summer 2010, the total number of US troops there will be around
98,000, the highest level yet. When President Obama took office, that
number was 32,000.”
Instead of ending war, he has double the number of armed soldiers and
will soon triple the number from Bush administration levels and we
have nobody asking, “WHY”?
“All war is based on deception.”
Sun Tzu
From the second Obama won the Presidency, the international media
stopped the daily body counts and broadcasting the war protesters and
stopped asking, “Why are we at war?” They no longer cared because the
propaganda against the Bush administration had put their Manchurian
candidate in office.
To be fair, I never understood from day one, why we went to war in the
first place and to be honest, I don’t care.
Knowing that just the “Defense” budget would feed, clothe, transport,
educate and house one sixth the entire world population makes me
scratch my head at the vast amounts of debt America is buried under to
support these travesties, no… crimes against humanity. I think if
we created trade opportunity instead of bombs, the world might think a
little better of us but the tragic reality of the real world is that
people like to lie to themselves and label human beings as statistics
so that they don’t have to think about the reality that their tax
dollars aren’t really helping the poor unless you consider killing
them a viable option.
We send troops instead of educational book to teach them a better way
of life. The last time I checked the only viable crop in Afghanistan
was opium, so maybe we should be looking at pharmaceutical companies
seeking to control drug production but are poppies really worth
killing for? In Iraq, any layman knows it’s about the oil but I
remember Obama spending a lot of his hype on new technology to remove
this dependency… We’ve had the technology to never use oil ever again
for a dozen years, affordable, reliable and cheap alternatives have
already obsoleted yesterdays economy and still we bail out car makers
and continue corrupt business schemes with a bankrupted economy… What
happened Obama to, “Yes, we can” that you’ve tied up all your
credibility in socialized health care instead of any real reforms???
Americans are reduced to social gossipers talking about how many woman
a golfer slept with instead taking any real steps to change the world…
why? Or if the insane “Octo” mom is going to have still more babies
even though she can’t take care of the bastards she already has being
supported by corporate sponsors. Because nobody is FOCUSED on
solutions to the problems when they are too busy being worried about
if they are going to have access to prescription drugs they don’t even
need.
Religious people don’t seem to give a damn about anything but there
precious dogma and we don’t see any of them stepping up and talking
about real world issues either.
The media continues to push out its defecation of never ending
violence and pointless soap operas and all people seem to care about
is nothing but themselves and if there poor low self esteem is being
insulted as if that matters.
Everything that we need is within reach and all we have to do is wake
up and realize that we can pull our troops out of foreign countries
and let them be… we can decentralize the electric grid and make self
sustaining homes that produce electricity using various methods… we
can take the government OUT of health care and the doctors will be
forced to provide affordable solutions of actually curing sickness
instead just pills that mask symptoms and make pharmaceutical
companies rich. Government isn’t the cure to health care, they are
the people that poison the well in the first place! The welfare
system makes our own government compete against its own working
population and the only people with health care are those on the
government payroll (including the military) and this should be
reversed.
If we can say we are fighting for anything, it’s to support the
corporate controlled media that also owns the military industrial
machine and we are fighting to support corruption, greed and seeking
world domination instead of world peace and that’s nothing worth
fighting for.
I shouldn’t be surprised that on the 20 boards I posted, “The campaign
against violence”, a single person of faith spoke up and he
supported violence.
Num 6:24 “Yahweh bless you and guard you;
Num 6:25 Yahweh make His face shine upon you, and show favour to you;
Num 6:26 Yahweh lift up His face upon you, and give you peace.” ’
Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.
George Orwell
Respond directly:
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/messianic_Yehoshua/
Many a man's strength is in opposition, and when he faileth, he grows
out of use.
Francis Bacon
Rod
> On Dec 5, 10:57 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>>> Is that why you slander everybody else on a daily bases?
>> BASIS! NOT "bases".
>
> Speaking of Bases.
>
> am opposed to is a rash war.�
> Barack Obama
>
> Why are we at war in Afghanistan and Iraq? Can anybody really tell me?
Corporate americans profits.
> Eight years ago, we entered these countries under the excuse of
> retaliatory for the 9/11 attacks but that was 2001 and this is almost
> 9 years later. Saddam Hussein is dead and gone; there are no weapons
> of mass destruction and President Obama promised to end the war and
> yet, here we are a year after he�s been elected and more troops are
> being deployed.
>
> �The surge troops have been deployed to Afghanistan by the end of
> Summer 2010, the total number of US troops there will be around
> 98,000, the highest level yet. When President Obama took office, that
> number was 32,000.�
>
> http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/12/wh-no-additional-troops-to-afghanistan-beyond-surge.html
>
> Instead of ending war, he has double the number of armed soldiers and
> will soon triple the number from Bush administration levels and we
> have nobody asking, �WHY�?
>
> �All war is based on deception.�
> Sun Tzu
>
> From the second Obama won the Presidency, the international media
> stopped the daily body counts and broadcasting the war protesters and
> stopped asking, �Why are we at war?� They no longer cared because the
> propaganda against the Bush administration had put their Manchurian
> candidate in office.
>
> To be fair, I never understood from day one, why we went to war in the
> first place and to be honest, I don�t care.
>
> Knowing that just the �Defense� budget would feed, clothe, transport,
> educate and house one sixth the entire world population makes me
> scratch my head at the vast amounts of debt America is buried under to
> support these travesties, no� crimes against humanity. I think if
> we created trade opportunity instead of bombs, the world might think a
> little better of us but the tragic reality of the real world is that
> people like to lie to themselves and label human beings as statistics
> so that they don�t have to think about the reality that their tax
> dollars aren�t really helping the poor unless you consider killing
> them a viable option.
>
> We send troops instead of educational book to teach them a better way
> of life. The last time I checked the only viable crop in Afghanistan
> was opium, so maybe we should be looking at pharmaceutical companies
> seeking to control drug production but are poppies really worth
> killing for? In Iraq, any layman knows it�s about the oil but I
> remember Obama spending a lot of his hype on new technology to remove
> this dependency� We�ve had the technology to never use oil ever again
> for a dozen years, affordable, reliable and cheap alternatives have
> already obsoleted yesterdays economy and still we bail out car makers
> and continue corrupt business schemes with a bankrupted economy� What
> happened Obama to, �Yes, we can� that you�ve tied up all your
> credibility in socialized health care instead of any real reforms???
>
> Americans are reduced to social gossipers talking about how many woman
> a golfer slept with instead taking any real steps to change the world�
> why? Or if the insane �Octo� mom is going to have still more babies
> even though she can�t take care of the bastards she already has being
> supported by corporate sponsors. Because nobody is FOCUSED on
> solutions to the problems when they are too busy being worried about
> if they are going to have access to prescription drugs they don�t even
> need.
>
> Religious people don�t seem to give a damn about anything but there
> precious dogma and we don�t see any of them stepping up and talking
> about real world issues either.
>
> The media continues to push out its defecation of never ending
> violence and pointless soap operas and all people seem to care about
> is nothing but themselves and if there poor low self esteem is being
> insulted as if that matters.
>
> Everything that we need is within reach and all we have to do is wake
> up and realize that we can pull our troops out of foreign countries
> and let them be� we can decentralize the electric grid and make self
> sustaining homes that produce electricity using various methods� we
> can take the government OUT of health care and the doctors will be
> forced to provide affordable solutions of actually curing sickness
> instead just pills that mask symptoms and make pharmaceutical
> companies rich. Government isn�t the cure to health care, they are
> the people that poison the well in the first place! The welfare
> system makes our own government compete against its own working
> population and the only people with health care are those on the
> government payroll (including the military) and this should be
> reversed.
>
> If we can say we are fighting for anything, it�s to support the
> corporate controlled media that also owns the military industrial
> machine and we are fighting to support corruption, greed and seeking
> world domination instead of world peace and that�s nothing worth
> fighting for.
>
> I shouldn�t be surprised that on the 20 boards I posted, �The campaign
> against violence�, a single person of faith spoke up and he
> supported violence.
>
> Num 6:24 �Yahweh bless you and guard you;
> Num 6:25 Yahweh make His face shine upon you, and show favour to you;
> Num 6:26 Yahweh lift up His face upon you, and give you peace.� �
>
> Shalom,
> *��)
> �.�� �.�*��) �.�*�)
> (�.�� (�.� (Snow(.�.�*��)
Snow
> Snow wrote:
> > On Dec 5, 10:57 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Is that why you slander everybody else on a daily bases?
> >> BASIS! NOT "bases".
>
> > Speaking of Bases.
>
> > am opposed to is a rash war.”
> > Barack Obama
>
> > Why are we at war in Afghanistan and Iraq? Can anybody really tell me?
>
> Corporate americans profits.
Amen...
All major religious traditions carry basically the same message that
is love, compassion and forgiveness the important thing is they should
be part of our daily lives.
Dalai Lama
“PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH” is the message of an unbelieving world to
the so called believers of the scriptures. I tend to think many people
just don’t get it. Brennan Manning a Catholic priest, who was later
quoted by Christian music group DC Talk said, "The Greatest single
cause of Atheism in the world today are Christians who acknowledge
Jesus with their lips and walk out the door and deny Him by their
lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds
unbelievable."
Psa 110:4 YAHWEH hath sworn, and will not repent, YOU ARE a priest for
ever after the order of Melchizedek.
The Messiah was a priest of the order of “Melchizedek”. Melchizedek
in Hebrew is two words meaning “Righteous leader”.
Examining prevailing attitudes, NOBODY cares. I can see why Apostle
Paul said:
Rom 3:10 As it has been written, “There is none righteous, no, not
one!
Rom 3:11 “There is no one who is understanding, there is none who is
seeking Elohim.
Rom 3:12 “They all have turned aside, they have together become
worthless. There is none who does good, no, not one.”
Rom 3:13 “Their throat is an open tomb, with their tongues they have
deceived,” “The poison of adders is under their lips,”
Rom 3:14 “Whose mouth is filled with cursing and bitterness.”
Rom 3:15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood,
Rom 3:16 ruin and wretchedness are in their ways,
Rom 3:17 and the way of peace they have not known.”
Rom 3:18 “There is no fear of Elohim before their eyes.”
It’s not true but they make it truth by clinging to it as a mantra for
all who believe it is. Without shame the subjects posted on any
thread about any topic quickly become, each other and they run around
pointing fingers at this person and that person and then me of course
because I point out that they are all focused on attacking each other
and then ending every post they make with a phony “God bless you” and
I say, keep your blessings, I don’t need the phony blessings from the
walking dead.
Where are the leaders of righteousness doing anything but blaming
other people? No, I’m not blaming you but look around at the FOCUS of
every person responding to a post… Sooner or later they change every
topic to their religious dogma as an attack on another person.
They say, “You don’t believe in the trinity” and then proceed to
condemn me for whatever reason they see fit, not realizing that the
scriptures make it clear, YAHWEH is ONE, not three and they have no
support in scriptures to back up the institutionalized dogma.
Talk about war, death, disease, famine and they ignore it, change the
topic and then start infighting amongst themselves so that they can
lie to themselves.
“We lie to ourselves, in order that we may still have the excuse of
ignorance, the alibi of stupidity and incomprehension, possessing
which we can continue with a good conscience to commit and tolerate
the most monstrous crimes.”
Aldous Huxley
A lot of people complain that I have repeated myself and used the same
clips in different post and different messages but then my focus is on
fixing problems and the first biggest problem is that every person is
focused on attacking all the other people instead of helping and then
scratching their heads wondering why the same people are posting the
same attacks just who they agree with might change from time to time
and nobody is willing to open their eyes and examine critically what
they are doing and not realizing the vanity of their positions….
Will anybody stop attacking other people and their beliefs long enough
to address a single topic of importance? I don’t really care what the
topic is but are you able to not make it an attack on another human
being?
If the Messiah was a RIGHTEOUS leader, where are his righteous
followers?
Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
Respond directly:
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/messianic_Yehoshua/
http://www.isr-messianic.org/ <- download the scriptures free
or
http://messianicyehoshua.googlegroups.com/web/RNKJV.zip <--free
download of the Restored Names King James Version
Life is a gift, and it offers us the privilege, opportunity, and
responsibility to give something back by becoming more.
Tony Robbins
"In Some Other World" lyrics by Wax U.K.
The prophet born again the Bible in his hand
With fire and brimstone eyes.
The savior on TV,
with tax immunity,
donations exorcized.
Who are these men in their ivory towers
Not heaven sent
no
no.
Worshipping greed in the name of Jesus
save our souls!
In some other world you'd be branded as thieves
Thrown to your knees and made to answer.
In some different time they would lock you away
As mad men I'd say Amen.
Behind the public smile the politicians guile
so vain and powerful.
Elected for his hair, by people unaware
it's unbelievable.
Brothers in arms robbing the future
shining in childrens eyes.
Shame on this world
shame on our country
shame on you.
In some other world you'd be branded as thieves
Thrown to your knees and made to answer.
In some different time they would lock you away
As mad men I'd say Amen.
We built you an altar, instead of an outcast
We made you a king, respected and wealthy
The verdict is in the jury is guilty.
Worshipping greed in the name of Jesus
shame on you!
In some other world you'd be branded as thieves
. . .
In some other world you'd be branded as thieves
. . .
Linda Lee
> On Dec 5, 3:17 pm, Rod <spa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Snow wrote:
>
> > >>> Is that why you slander everybody else on a daily bases?
> > >> BASIS! NOT "bases".
>
> > > Speaking of Bases.
Easily distracted, aren't you?
>
> > > “I don't oppose all wars. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I
> > > am opposed to is a rash war.”
> > > Barack Obama
>
> > > Why are we at war in Afghanistan and Iraq? Can anybody really tell me?
>
> > Corporate americans profits.
>
> Amen...
>
> All major religious traditions carry basically the same message that
> is love, compassion and forgiveness the important thing is they should
> be part of our daily lives.
> Dalai Lama
>
> “PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH” is the message of an unbelieving world to
> the so called believers of the scriptures. I tend to think many people
> just don’t get it. Brennan Manning a Catholic priest, who was later
> quoted by Christian music group DC Talk
Do you get your worldly 'wisdom' any place other than Rock music
groups?
> said, "The Greatest single
> cause of Atheism in the world today are Christians who acknowledge
> Jesus with their lips and walk out the door and deny Him by their
> lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds
> unbelievable."
>
> Psa 110:4 YAHWEH hath sworn, and will not repent, YOU ARE a priest for
> ever after the order of Melchizedek.
>
> The Messiah was a priest of the order of “Melchizedek”. Melchizedek
> in Hebrew is two words meaning “Righteous leader”.
No, it means "king of right". (And it has nothing to do with YOU,
megalomaniac.)
Melchizedek - Heb. 4442 - "king of right; Malki-Tsedek".
>
> Examining prevailing attitudes, NOBODY cares. I can see why Apostle
> Paul said:
>
> Rom 3:10 As it has been written, “There is none righteous, no, not
> one!
> Rom 3:11 “There is no one who is understanding, there is none who is
> seeking Elohim.
> Rom 3:12 “They all have turned aside, they have together become
> worthless. There is none who does good, no, not one.”
> Rom 3:13 “Their throat is an open tomb, with their tongues they have
> deceived,” “The poison of adders is under their lips,”
> Rom 3:14 “Whose mouth is filled with cursing and bitterness.”
> Rom 3:15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood,
> Rom 3:16 ruin and wretchedness are in their ways,
> Rom 3:17 and the way of peace they have not known.”
> Rom 3:18 “There is no fear of Elohim before their eyes.”
>
> It’s not true but they make it truth by clinging to it as a mantra for
> all who believe it is.
> Without shame the subjects posted on any
> thread about any topic quickly become, each other and they run around
> pointing fingers at this person and that person and then me of course
> because I point out that they are all focused on attacking each other
> and then ending every post they make with a phony “God bless you”
HYPOCRITE!!! Every day you post attacking diatribes against
Christians and Christ, and then end your posts with a phony
"Shalom" (Peace).
Using your favorite method of attack, I see:
Snowjob says to Rod, "You will find it is a common tactic to accuse
other people of the very thing you are guilty of... Excellent
thoughts." -
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.bible/msg/0adfc17f981beec2
Snowjob's advice to Rod of what he considers "Excellent Thoughts"
reminds me sometimes of the demons in C. S. Lewis' 'The Screwtape
Letters', the senior demon teaching the junior demon how to harass
Christians and cause them to sin.
> and
> I say, keep your blessings, I don’t need the phony blessings from the
> walking dead.
Isn't that what people say to you? I know I've rejected your
'blessings', and your two attempts at cursing me resulted in nothing
happening at all.
> Where are the leaders of righteousness doing anything but blaming
> other people? No, I’m not blaming you but look around at the FOCUS of
> every person responding to a post… Sooner or later they change every
> topic to their religious dogma as an attack on another person.
HYPOCRITE!!! LIAR!!! You do NOTHING BUT attack and blame Christians;
ANTICHRIST.
Snowjob likely projects his own vices and claims Christians are
drunks, perverts addicted to porn, and involved in prostitution,
saying:
"The “Christian” voice can dimly be heard Sunday morning during the
wee
hours after a long night drunken binges and we have the nerve to
berate the Taliban for telling their daughters to cover up and not
follow the western example.
Reality says, If Christians were not calling 1-900 sex numbers our
televisions wouldn’t be flooded with advertising because they would
make NO PROFIT. If Christians were not going to strip clubs, buying
prostitutes and yes, making pornography freely available under the
guise of “Free Speech”, telling our daughters that sex is a commodity
to be traded for a piece of paper, the industry would be gone but its
thriving in this economic downturn. These are the “American Values”
we are fighting for and I don’t think their worth it any more.
If CHRISTIANS started actually standing up for what is truly right, we
wouldn’t have prostitutes walking down the back alleys of every major
city..." <end quote> - from http://groups.google.com/group/alt.messianic/msg/8107636c51d3d17a
Snow
> > > > Speaking of Bases.
>
> Easily distracted, aren't you?
Thank you for posting.. keep up the good work.