Welcome refugees from mozilla.support.*

[Andy Burns]

At least mozilla can't turn this group off ...

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 at 19:04:52, Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk> wrote
(my responses usually follow points raised):

>At least mozilla can't turn this group off ...

hi.
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[Wolf K]

On 2021-03-28 17:02, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 at 19:04:52, Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk> wrote
> (my responses usually follow points raised):
>> At least mozilla can't turn this group off ...
> hi.

Needs a bit of filtering...

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People that work at the bubble wrap factory must have a lot of self control.

[WaltS]

On 3/28/21 2:04 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
> At least mozilla can't turn this group off ...

Looks like I need to apply my filters to the group.

[Andy Burns]

Wolf K wrote:

> Needs a bit of filtering...

Really? via NIN I only see 2 messages from 2019 and 5 messages from
2020, none this year until this thread.

[WaltS]

I wonder if those that replied to this June 2018 post are still around
this group.

"With all the talk about Mozilla shutting down moz.gen (along with many
other NG's), someone mentioned this NG.

Doesn't look like much informative mozilla/seamonkey discussions going
on here, but you never know!!"

[BillH]

It would be great if the folks that currently use the Thunderbird and
Firefox newsgroups started using this instead.

Bill

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address before replying.

[BillH]

On 3/28/2021 3:53 PM, BillH wrote:
> On 3/28/2021 3:27 PM, WaltS wrote:
>> On 3/28/21 6:17 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
>>> Wolf K wrote:
>>>
>>>> Needs a bit of filtering...
>>>
>>> Really? via NIN I only see 2 messages from 2019 and 5 messages from
>>> 2020, none this year until this thread.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I wonder if those that replied to this June 2018 post are still around
>> this group.
>>
>> "With all the talk about Mozilla shutting down moz.gen (along with many
>> other NG's), someone mentioned this NG.
>>
>> Doesn't look like much informative mozilla/seamonkey discussions going
>> on here, but you never know!!"
>>
>>
>
> It would be great if the folks that currently use the Thunderbird and
> Firefox newsgroups started using this instead.
>
> Bill
>

Or as Andy mentioned on the current Thunderbird newsgroup,
alt.comp.mozilla.thunderbird would be great and also maybe
alt.comp.mozilla.firefox.

[Ant]

Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> At least mozilla can't turn this group off ...

It lives! :D
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[Andy Burns]

BillH wrote:

> It would be great if the folks that currently use the Thunderbird and
> Firefox newsgroups started using this instead.

Do you think that's sufficient, rather than having individual
alt.comp.software.firefox and .thunderbird groups?

IME there is sometimes confusion between TB/FF even with the current
mozilla.support.firefox and .thunderbird groups

[BillH]

No, I actually do like the idea of setting up separate ones. I made my
posting before I thought it through. There is some confusion, but not
too much. On further thought, I think it would be more confusing to
have them in the same group.

[Wolf K]

On 2021-03-28 19:10, BillH wrote:
> On 3/28/2021 4:06 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
>> BillH wrote:
>>
>>> It would be great if the folks that currently use the Thunderbird and
>>> Firefox newsgroups started using this instead.
>>
>> Do you think that's sufficient, rather than having individual
>> alt.comp.software.firefox and .thunderbird groups?
>>
>> IME there is sometimes confusion between TB/FF even with the current
>> mozilla.support.firefox and .thunderbird groups
>>
>
> No, I actually do like the idea of setting up separate ones.  I made my
> posting before I thought it through.  There is some confusion, but not
> too much.  On further thought, I think it would be more confusing to
> have them in the same group.
>
> Bill
>

Whatever, I'll be lurking here as I did (mostly) on the other groups,
until I see which way the electrons flow.
Best,

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 at 18:13:18, Wolf K <wol...@sympatico.ca> wrote (my

responses usually follow points raised):
>On 2021-03-28 17:02, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>> On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 at 19:04:52, Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk>
>>wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
>>> At least mozilla can't turn this group off ...
>> hi.
>
>Needs a bit of filtering...
>

Aw, I only said hi (-:!

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[Ralph Fox]

On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 19:04:52 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

> Welcome refugees from mozilla.support.*

> At least mozilla can't turn this group off ...

Hi all.

Perhaps alt.fan.mozilla it will pick up again.
It has been very slow for the past decade.


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🦊

[Daniel65]

Wolf K wrote on 29/03/2021 10:18 am:
> On 2021-03-28 19:10, BillH wrote:
>> On 3/28/2021 4:06 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
>>> BillH wrote:
>>>
>>>> It would be great if the folks that currently use the Thunderbird and
>>>> Firefox newsgroups started using this instead.
>>>
>>> Do you think that's sufficient, rather than having individual
>>> alt.comp.software.firefox and .thunderbird groups?
>>>
>>> IME there is sometimes confusion between TB/FF even with the current
>>> mozilla.support.firefox and .thunderbird groups
>>>
>>
>> No, I actually do like the idea of setting up separate ones.  I made
>> my posting before I thought it through.  There is some confusion, but
>> not too much.  On further thought, I think it would be more confusing
>> to have them in the same group.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>
> Whatever, I'll be lurking here as I did (mostly) on the other groups,
> until I see which way the electrons flow.
> Best,
>

Looking back, I've been lurking here since about June 2018 .... but not
seeing much, until now!!
--
Daniel

[pyotr filipivich]

Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk> on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 19:04:52 +0100
typed in alt.fan.mozilla the following:

>At least mozilla can't turn this group off ...

Of course, this presumes the 'refugees' know about Usenet,
newsgroups, news readers, etc. And aren't trying to use Google Groups
as their provider/reader.

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[Andy Burns]

pyotr filipivich wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> At least mozilla can't turn this group off ...
>
> Of course, this presumes the 'refugees' know about Usenet,
> newsgroups, news readers, etc.

According to Chris "the majority" of traffic to the group+list comes
from news users, not email users.

I'm pretty sure I see the majority of n.m.o users kicking around on
wider usenet groups.

[Ant]

It has to come back with news.mozilla.org's shutdown!

[Ant]

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.fan.mozilla is accessible to everyone to
see. Just need a Google account to post if they don't have a NSP.

[WaltS]

On 3/29/21 11:03 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk> on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 19:04:52 +0100
> typed in alt.fan.mozilla the following:
>> At least mozilla can't turn this group off ...
>
> Of course, this presumes the 'refugees' know about Usenet,
> newsgroups, news readers, etc. And aren't trying to use Google Groups
> as their provider/reader.
>

I think all 4 of them making the biggest stink in the newsgroups that
are shutting down are here.

Alternatives have been setup so maybe they went there instead.

[The Real Bev]

On 03/28/2021 03:27 PM, WaltS wrote:
> On 3/28/21 6:17 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
>> Wolf K wrote:
>>
>>> Needs a bit of filtering...
>>
>> Really? via NIN I only see 2 messages from 2019 and 5 messages from
>> 2020, none this year until this thread.
>>
>>
>
> I wonder if those that replied to this June 2018 post are still around
> this group.

<raises hand> Me!

> "With all the talk about Mozilla shutting down moz.gen (along with many
> other NG's), someone mentioned this NG.
>
> Doesn't look like much informative mozilla/seamonkey discussions going
> on here, but you never know!!"

--
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when you can just go out and buy one for a few bucks." -- lpogoda

[The Real Bev]

On 03/28/2021 03:59 PM, Ant wrote:
> Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>> At least mozilla can't turn this group off ...
>
> It lives! :D

We've found a HOME!

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clapping to songs and diabetes.

[The Real Bev]

On 03/28/2021 04:10 PM, BillH wrote:
> On 3/28/2021 4:06 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
>> BillH wrote:
>>
>>> It would be great if the folks that currently use the Thunderbird and
>>> Firefox newsgroups started using this instead.
>>
>> Do you think that's sufficient, rather than having individual
>> alt.comp.software.firefox and .thunderbird groups?
>>
>> IME there is sometimes confusion between TB/FF even with the current
>> mozilla.support.firefox and .thunderbird groups
>
> No, I actually do like the idea of setting up separate ones. I made my
> posting before I thought it through. There is some confusion, but not
> too much. On further thought, I think it would be more confusing to
> have them in the same group.

I (permanently banished) stopped even reading the TB and FF groups. The
smart people were all reading moz.gen anyway.

If people are confused about the difference between TB and FF they
probably haven't a clue about usenet.

[Ant]

The Real Bev <bashl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 03/28/2021 03:59 PM, Ant wrote:
> > Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> >> At least mozilla can't turn this group off ...
> >
> > It lives! :D

> We've found a HOME!

Yeah, for general Mozilla stuff.

[Daniel65]

Ant wrote on 30/3/21 9:24 am:

> Daniel65 <dani...@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>> Wolf K wrote on 29/03/2021 10:18 am:
>>> On 2021-03-28 19:10, BillH wrote:
>>>> On 3/28/2021 4:06 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>> BillH wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It would be great if the folks that currently use the Thunderbird and
>>>>>> Firefox newsgroups started using this instead.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you think that's sufficient, rather than having individual
>>>>> alt.comp.software.firefox and .thunderbird groups?
>>>>>
>>>>> IME there is sometimes confusion between TB/FF even with the current
>>>>> mozilla.support.firefox and .thunderbird groups
>>>>
>>>> No, I actually do like the idea of setting up separate ones.  I made
>>>> my posting before I thought it through.  There is some confusion, but
>>>> not too much.  On further thought, I think it would be more confusing
>>>> to have them in the same group.
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>
>>> Whatever, I'll be lurking here as I did (mostly) on the other groups,
>>> until I see which way the electrons flow.
>>> Best,
>>>
>> Looking back, I've been lurking here since about June 2018 .... but not
>> seeing much, until now!!
>
> It has to come back with news.mozilla.org's shutdown!
>

Yeap!! Yeap! Yeap.

And I'll have to learn how to set up newsgroup specific .sig files!! ;-P
--
Daniel

[Daniel65]

Ant wrote on 30/3/21 9:27 am:

> Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>> pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>>
>>>> At least mozilla can't turn this group off ...
>>>
>>> Of course, this presumes the 'refugees' know about Usenet,
>>> newsgroups, news readers, etc.
>
>> According to Chris "the majority" of traffic to the group+list comes
>> from news users, not email users.
>
>> I'm pretty sure I see the majority of n.m.o users kicking around on
>> wider usenet groups.
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.fan.mozilla is accessible to everyone to
> see. Just need a Google account to post if they don't have a NSP.
>

Or get yourself a UseNet provider (like I'm using Eternal-September to
post this) and away you go!!
--
Daniel

[WaltS]

On 3/30/21 1:17 AM, Ant wrote:
> The Real Bev <bashl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 03/28/2021 03:59 PM, Ant wrote:
>>> Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>>>> At least mozilla can't turn this group off ...
>>>
>>> It lives! :D
>
>> We've found a HOME!
>
> Yeah, for general Mozilla stuff.
>

Why only general stuff?

Use it for support. No moderator here.

Topics can drift way off and nobody will chastise you for it. Except
maybe other posters.

But the general rules of etiquette should apply.

[WaltS]

On 3/29/21 10:50 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 03/28/2021 04:10 PM, BillH wrote:
>> On 3/28/2021 4:06 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
>>> BillH wrote:
>>>
>>>> It would be great if the folks that currently use the Thunderbird and
>>>> Firefox newsgroups started using this instead.
>>>
>>> Do you think that's sufficient, rather than having individual
>>> alt.comp.software.firefox and .thunderbird groups?
>>>
>>> IME there is sometimes confusion between TB/FF even with the current
>>> mozilla.support.firefox and .thunderbird groups
>>
>> No, I actually do like the idea of setting up separate ones.  I made my
>> posting before I thought it through.  There is some confusion, but not
>> too much.  On further thought, I think it would be more confusing
to
>> have them in the same group.
>
> I (permanently banished) stopped even reading the TB and FF groups. 
The
> smart people were all reading moz.gen anyway.
>
> If people are confused about the difference between TB and FF they
> probably haven't a clue about usenet.
>

Some are still confused about the proper abbreviations.

It is Fx or fx, not FF.

> How do I spell Firefox? How do I abbreviate it?
>
> Firefox is spelled F-i-r-e-f-o-x - only the first letter capitalized
> (i.e. not FireFox,
> not Foxfire, FoxFire or whatever else a number of folk seem to think
> it to be called.)
> The preferred abbreviation is "Fx" or "fx".

REF:
<https://website-archive.mozilla.org/www.mozilla.org/firefox_releasenotes/en-us/firefox/releases/1.0.6>

You got TB right.

[Andy Burns]

WaltS wrote:

> Some are still confused about the proper abbreviations.
> It is Fx or fx, not FF.

I know that Mozilla prefer users to call it Fx, but I find that users
prefer to call it FF, so that is what I do.

[Wolf K]

FX means (special) effects. Not exactly descriptive of FF. Which also
means "and following", as p.37 ff.

HAH!

[WaltS]

You should educate those users as to the proper abbreviation.

[WaltS]

On 3/30/21 2:12 PM, Wolf K wrote:
> On 2021-03-30 14:01, Andy Burns wrote:
>> WaltS wrote:
>>
>>> Some are still confused about the proper abbreviations.
>>> It is Fx or fx, not FF.
>>
>> I know that Mozilla prefer users to call it Fx, but I find that users
>> prefer to call it FF, so that is what I do.
>
> FX means (special) effects. Not exactly descriptive of FF. Which also
> means "and following", as p.37 ff.
>
> HAH!

Did the release notes mention FX? Another incorrect abbreviation.

SeaMonkey is SM based on the capital letters in the proper spelling of
the name.

Taking Mozilla's cue for the Firefox abbreviation, Thunderbird should
probably be Td or td, not TB.

[Anonymous Remailer (austria)]

In article <0YL8I.215400$ic4.1...@fx47.iad>

Oh, big damn deal! Who cares if someone writes FF? We all know what
they mean.

Now we're getting a language dictator for the group?

[BillH]

I would tend to agree. Users on the forums are used to using TB and FF.
What's the problem????

[Anonymous Remailer (austria)]

In article <s407k1$132v$1...@gioia.aioe.org>

The problem is one I've come across a long time ago. Some guy makes
corporal and begins acting like a general.

I don't wish to start an argument here, but knock off the pedantic crap.

[BillH]

I was agreeing with you. I don't see what harm it is for people to use
TB and FF as that is what they are used to using here on the forums.

[Anonymous Remailer (austria)]

In article <s40mru$8og$1...@gioia.aioe.org>

No, no...I didn't mean you in my answer. I guess I should have been
more accurate. I meant the guy who wanted to dictate language
requirements for this group. I should have been clearer. It surprising
that someone - you - agreed with my point. Usually I am at odds with
all. : o)

[The Real Bev]

On 03/30/2021 05:16 AM, WaltS wrote:
> On 3/30/21 1:17 AM, Ant wrote:
>> The Real Bev <bashl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 03/28/2021 03:59 PM, Ant wrote:
>>>> Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>>>>> At least mozilla can't turn this group off ...
>>>>
>>>> It lives! :D
>>
>>> We've found a HOME!
>>
>> Yeah, for general Mozilla stuff.
>>
>
> Why only general stuff?
>

> Use it for support. No moderator here.'
+1

> Topics can drift way off and nobody will chastise you for it. Except
> maybe other posters.

+1

> But the general rules of etiquette should apply.

+1


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Cheers,
Bev
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-- Bob Henson

[The Real Bev]

Likewise.

I think Mozilla has given a pretty clear indication of what it thinks of
its users, so we can't be faulted for reciprocating.

[The Real Bev]

On 04/02/2021 09:40 AM, s|b wrote:

> On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 19:47:54 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
>
>> We've found a HOME!
>

> You're still a /fan/ then?

Well, no, not actually, but I like TB better than any of the mail
programs I tried a decade ago and FF more than Chrome (or other
decade-old browsers).

My mom was a Dodger fan. Completely different :-)

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[Andy Burns]

Andy Burns wrote:

> At least mozilla can't turn this group off ...

for those sick of seeing this message in various places, here will be
the last place for today, I promise :-)

The three new groups

alt.comp.software.firefox
alt.comp.software.thunderbird
alt.comp.software.seamonkey

have now been created, no doubt population around the various usenet
servers will be slow. At the moment they only exist on news.aioe.org
and one or two other servers, I've requested them on a few servers that
I use, but will request them on more servers over the next few days. If
they don't show up on servers that you use, feel free to request them there.

Treat the new groups as substitutes for

mozilla.support.firefox
mozilla.support.thunderbird
mozilla.support.seamonkey

Obviously it's up to users whether they like it here in alt.fan.mozilla
or want/need to move to the new groups.

Clearly the new groups are not affiliated with Mozilla in any way, and
will provide user-to-user support, hoping to see familiar faces there,
play nice ...

[😉 Good Guy 😉]

On 02/04/2021 21:03, Andy Burns wrote:

.

for those sick of seeing this message in various places, here will be the last place for today, I promise :-)

So what will you do in your spare time?

The three new groups

alt.comp.software.firefox
alt.comp.software.thunderbird
alt.comp.software.seamonkey

I have already posted on the three groups so it seems I was first but Grant Taylor bit me on Firefox.

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[Ant]

In alt.fan.mozilla ???? Good Guy ???? <Hello...@example.com> wrote:
...

> >
> > The three new groups
> >
> > alt.comp.software.firefox
> > alt.comp.software.thunderbird
> > alt.comp.software.seamonkey

> I have already posted on the three groups so it seems I was first but
> Grant Taylor bit me on Firefox.

Which NSPs? I don't see them yet. :(
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[😉 Good Guy 😉]

On 03/04/2021 05:09, Ant wrote:

In alt.fan.mozilla ???? Good Guy ???? <Hello...@example.com> wrote:
...

The three new groups

alt.comp.software.firefox
alt.comp.software.thunderbird
alt.comp.software.seamonkey

I have already posted on the three groups so it seems I was first but 
Grant Taylor bit me on Firefox.

Which NSPs? I don't see them yet. :(

Try aioe.  If you don't see it then you need to click on New Groups Tab and Refresh button.  See this picture:

[Adam H. Kerman]

Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:

>Which NSPs? I don't see them yet. :(

Newsgroups are created one server at a time. If it's not created
locally, ask your News administrator.

[C. St-Luc]

On 03-Apr.-2021 12:39, jetjock wrote:

> On Fri, 2 Apr 2021 21:03:40 +0100, Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>
>>> At least mozilla can't turn this group off ...
>>
>> for those sick of seeing this message in various places, here will be
>> the last place for today, I promise :-)
>>
>> The three new groups
>>
>> alt.comp.software.firefox
>> alt.comp.software.thunderbird
>> alt.comp.software.seamonkey
>

> As of this time, alt.comp.software.firefox is not being found by me on
> news.aioe.org

Did you click on "New Groups" then click on "Refresh" ?

[Sailfish]

My bloviated meandering follows what Andy Burns graced us with on
3/28/2021 11:04 AM:

> At least mozilla can't turn this group off ...

Howdi!

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[Patrick Thompson]

My bloviated meandering follows what Andy Burns graced us with on
3/28/2021 11:04 AM:
> At least mozilla can't turn this group off ...

Are these still a possibility:

alt.comp.software.firefox
alt.comp.software.thunderbird
alt.comp.software.seamonkey

or will this be the only one?

[Patrick Thompson]

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

On Sat, 3 Apr 2021 at 10:49:36, Patrick Thompson
<NIXCAPS...@NIXCAPSunforgettable.com> wrote (my responses usually
follow points raised):

They already exist, and are on at least eternal-september ...
--
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jury
duty." CSI, 200x

[Ralph Fox]

On Sat, 03 Apr 2021 11:39:29 -0500, jetjock wrote:

> As of this time, alt.comp.software.firefox is not being found by me on
> news.aioe.org

I see alt.comp.software.firefox on AIOE.

> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 6.00/32.1186

Go to "Tools >> Newsgroup Directory"
Click the "Update Directory" button
Click the "Select All" button
Select "Download the complete list of all newsgroups"
Click "OK"


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[Ralph Fox]

This was never the only one.

Before the news.mozilla.org news server was set up in 2006,
people used these newsgroups

netscape.public.mozilla.browser -- for Firefox
netscape.public.mozilla.mail-news -- for Thunderbird
netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey -- for SeaMonkey

The netscape.public.mozilla.* groups still exist on news servers around the world.


FYI: Example of a post about Firefox/Thunderbird
<https://groups.google.com/g/netscape.public.mozilla.browser/c/LKIP20_qGxI/m/MJLqaSRzJfkJ>

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[The Real Bev]

On 04/03/2021 01:02 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Apr 2021 at 10:49:36, Patrick Thompson
> <NIXCAPS...@NIXCAPSunforgettable.com> wrote (my responses usually
> follow points raised):
>>My bloviated meandering follows what Andy Burns graced us with on
>>3/28/2021 11:04 AM:
>>> At least mozilla can't turn this group off ...
>>
>>Are these still a possibility:
>>
>>alt.comp.software.firefox
>>alt.comp.software.thunderbird
>>alt.comp.software.seamonkey
>>
>>or will this be the only one?
>
> They already exist, and are on at least eternal-september ...

Here now! Earlier today they weren't. I think Andy sent a special
request to Ray Banana...

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Cheers, Bev
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short.
But scream it at them in Klingon, because life is also
terrifying and confusing." -- D. Moore

[Ant]

In alt.fan.mozilla ???? Good Guy ???? <Hello...@example.com> wrote:

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> On 03/04/2021 05:09, Ant wrote:
> > In alt.fan.mozilla ???? Good Guy ???? <Hello...@example.com> wrote:
> > ...
> >>> The three new groups
> >>>
> >>> alt.comp.software.firefox
> >>> alt.comp.software.thunderbird
> >>> alt.comp.software.seamonkey
> >> I have already posted on the three groups so it seems I was first but
> >> Grant Taylor bit me on Firefox.
> > Which NSPs? I don't see them yet. :(

> Try aioe.  If you don't see it then you need to click on New Groups Tab
> and Refresh button.  See this picture:

Thanks. I had to get a new NSP. Both free news.neodome.net and news.aioe.org have
them. :)
--
:) Easter! Jesus lives!

[Adam H. Kerman]

Everyone makes fun of me for sticking with trn 4. I have it set to
download the active file if the current one is more than 7 days old. To
force a refresh if needed, I just delete it. That's 1 step!

[😉 Good Guy 😉]

On 04/04/2021 04:54, Ant wrote:

Thanks. I had to get a new NSP. Both free news.neodome.net and news.aioe.org have 
them. :)

I don't use neodome and for some reasons I have blocked all users of neodome.  I don't remember why but it could be because we had a user called DavidB who was posting crap from that server.

AIOE is pretty good server and the good thing is you don't need an account to read and post messages.  I don't have Eternal-ES account and they don't allow my posts to appear on their servers.  I guess it is a good thing for people who wants to kill-file my posts so now I am recommending them to use Eternal-ES so that they don't have to see my posts and make stupid comments about silly things!!

EVERYBODY PLEASE SIGN UP TO ETERNAL-ES FOR NEWSGROUPS.

[Daniel65]

Patrick Thompson wrote on 4/4/21 3:49 am:

I know alt.comp.software.seamonkey is appearing on my
eternal-september.org news server, after I refreshed the groups listing
that my SeaMonkey sees, this evening.

I don't know were the moz.general group is going though!!
--
Daniel

[😉 Good Guy 😉]

On 04/04/2021 14:07, Daniel65 wrote:

I don't know were the moz.general group is going though!!

"alt.fan.mozilla" is the best replacement for moz-general and anything goes here.  In fact alt.* groups are anything including trolling.  they were created to house serial trolls from killing and raping women on our streets;  This was achieved by giving them something to do that is less harmful to human life!! 

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[😉 Good Guy 😉]

On 29/03/2021 08:13, Daniel65 wrote:

Looking back, I've been lurking here since about June 2018 .... but not seeing much, until now!!

That's because my posts are created in such a way that they don't appear on some servers such as "eternal-september.org".  Some posts managed to sneak through but I don't know how.

I like the "status quo" because I am trying to avoid silly comments from some users and the only way is to make sure they don't see my posts.  They are so stupid that they can't even kill-file me once and for all so I decided to take the matter into my own hands!  You won't be able to see this posts but it is a good thing because you are a known troll on some other newsgroups or at least there is another Daniel65.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Daniel65 <dani...@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>Patrick Thompson wrote on 4/4/21 3:49 am:

>>Andy Burns 3/28/2021 11:04 AM wrote:

>>>At least mozilla can't turn this group off ...

>>Are these still a possibility:

>>alt.comp.software.firefox
>>alt.comp.software.thunderbird
>>alt.comp.software.seamonkey

>>or will this be the only one?

>I know alt.comp.software.seamonkey is appearing on my
>eternal-september.org news server, after I refreshed the groups listing
>that my SeaMonkey sees, this evening.

>I don't know were the moz.general group is going though!!

Ray never created groups in the mozilla.* hierarchy. Other servers did.

Ray, however, does appear to have a full set of netscape.public.* groups
created locally. I know nothing about the history of this hierachy,
about whether they were peered or not with the institutional News
server, which I assume went off line 15 years ago.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 23:07:14, Daniel65
<dani...@eternal-september.org> wrote (my responses usually follow
points raised):

alt.fan.mozilla seems to be collecting many of the m.general regulars.

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

The web is a blank slate; you can't design technology that is 'good'. You can't
design paper that you can only write good things on. There are no good or evil
tools. You can put an engine in an ambulance or a tank. - Sir Tim Berners-Lee,
Radio Times 2009-Jan-30 to -Feb-5.

[alexyu]

WaltS wrote, on 30 Mar 21 17:29:

> On 3/30/21 2:01 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
>> WaltS wrote:
>>
>>> Some are still confused about the proper abbreviations.
>>> It is Fx or fx, not FF.
>>
>> I know that Mozilla prefer users to call it Fx, but I find that users

>> prefer to call it FF, so that is what I do.
>
> You should educate those users as to the proper abbreviation.

Who decides what's "proper"?

--
Best,

s) alexyu

[Adam H. Kerman]

s|b <sb.n...@belgacom.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 3 Apr 2021 21:02:54 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

>>They already exist, and are on at least eternal-september ...

>And on Aioe, but not yet on NIN.

Has a user requested their creation locally yet?

[Ralph Fox]

On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 13:51:57 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman wrote:

> Ray never created groups in the mozilla.* hierarchy. Other servers did.
>
> Ray, however, does appear to have a full set of netscape.public.* groups
> created locally. I know nothing about the history of this hierachy,
> about whether they were peered or not with the institutional News
> server, which I assume went off line 15 years ago.

The first netscape.public.mozilla.* groups were set up back in 1998,
when "Mozilla" was a Netscape open source project.

The server secnews.netscape.com went offline for the last time in 2010 [1][2].

The netscape.public.mozilla.* groups are carried and peered across Usenet
and on Google Groups. News servers carry messages both from
secnews.netscape.com (when it was still online), and messages from
other news servers around the world.

____
REFERENCES

[1] <https://groups.google.com/g/mozilla.general/c/TrpQEr2bCTY/m/fok_BJvngJwJ>
[2] <https://groups.google.com/g/mozilla.general/c/nUg42BSfj1E/m/CVgOBNhEiFQJ>


--
Kind regards
Ralph

[Andy Burns]

Adam H. Kerman wrote:

> s|b wrote:
>
>> not yet on NIN.
>
> Has a user requested their creation locally yet?

I'm a NIN subscriber, and have requested them, no reply yet.

[Sailfish]

My bloviated meandering follows what Ralph Fox graced us with on
4/3/2021 1:24 PM:

Hmm, the netscape newsgroups have the benefit of time-in-use.

Since I would prefer to only use one set of newsgroups anyone have
recommendations as to which of these (netscape.public.mozilla.* VS
alt.comp.software.*) would be best to use in terms of better technical
advice expertise?

[Adam H. Kerman]

It's nice to have a choice. If you get an answer in one or the other,
then you'll know, won't you.

[Sailfish]

My bloviated meandering follows what Adam H. Kerman graced us with on
4/4/2021 2:23 PM:

Well, given a choice, I would prefer using one or the other so if no one
has a better suggestion, I'll just mark each newsgroup as "read" and see
which one s have the most answers from the defunct news.mozilla.org
responders.

Cheers

[Daniel65]

alexyu wrote on 5/4/21 2:37 am:

*ME* !! Of course!! ;-P
--
Daniel

[Andy Burns]

Andy Burns wrote:

> Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>
>> s|b wrote:
>>

>>> not yet on NIN.
>>
>> Has a user requested their creation locally yet?
>

> I'm a NIN subscriber, and have requested them, no reply yet.

confirmation from NIN that they've been added locally.

[Daniel65]

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote on 5/4/21 1:26 am:

> On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 23:07:14, Daniel65
> <dani...@eternal-september.org> wrote (my responses usually follow
> points raised):
>> Patrick Thompson wrote on 4/4/21 3:49 am:
>>> My bloviated meandering follows what Andy Burns graced us with on
>>> 3/28/2021 11:04 AM:
>>>> At least mozilla can't turn this group off ...
>>>  Are these still a possibility:
>>>  alt.comp.software.firefox
>>> alt.comp.software.thunderbird
>>> alt.comp.software.seamonkey
>>>  or will this be the only one?
>>
>> I know alt.comp.software.seamonkey is appearing on my
>> eternal-september.org news server, after I refreshed the groups
>> listing that my SeaMonkey sees, this evening.
>>
>> I don't know were the moz.general group is going though!!
>
> alt.fan.mozilla seems to be collecting many of the m.general regulars.

Yeah!! Or have they just been lurkers for the last umpteen years?? ;-P
--
Daniel

[Adam H. Kerman]

Well, yes. Making one's own decisions is part of the concept of
unmoderated Usenet.

[The Real Bev]

Does it count as lurking if you just check to see if there are any messages?


--
Cheers, Bev
An organizer for the "Million Agoraphobics March" expressed
disappointment in the turnout for last weekend's event.

[Daniel65]

The Real Bev wrote on 6/4/21 5:02 am:

> On 04/05/2021 12:57 AM, Daniel65 wrote:
>> J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote on 5/4/21 1:26 am:
>>> On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 23:07:14, Daniel65
>>> <dani...@eternal-september.org> wrote (my responses usually follow
>>> points raised):
>>>> Patrick Thompson wrote on 4/4/21 3:49 am:
>>>>> My bloviated meandering follows what Andy Burns graced us with on
>>>>> 3/28/2021 11:04 AM:
>>>>>> At least mozilla can't turn this group off ...
>>>>>  Are these still a possibility:
>>>>>  alt.comp.software.firefox
>>>>> alt.comp.software.thunderbird
>>>>> alt.comp.software.seamonkey
>>>>>  or will this be the only one?
>>>>
>>>> I know alt.comp.software.seamonkey is appearing on my
>>>> eternal-september.org news server, after I refreshed the groups
>>>> listing that my SeaMonkey sees, this evening.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know were the moz.general group is going though!!
>>>
>>> alt.fan.mozilla seems to be collecting many of the m.general regulars.
>>
>> Yeah!! Or have they just been lurkers for the last umpteen years?? ;-P
>
> Does it count as lurking if you just check to see if there are any
> messages?
>
>

IMHO, no!! Isn't 'Lurking' all about reading a newsgroup as much as you
wanted .... but not/never posting anything into a newsgroup!! i.e
getting the benefit of but never contributing to the newsgroup.
--
Daniel

[The Real Bev]

On 04/06/2021 12:33 AM, Daniel65 wrote:
> The Real Bev wrote on 6/4/21 5:02 am:
>> On 04/05/2021 12:57 AM, Daniel65 wrote:
>>> J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote on 5/4/21 1:26 am:
>>>>

>>>> alt.fan.mozilla seems to be collecting many of the m.general regulars.
>>>
>>> Yeah!! Or have they just been lurkers for the last umpteen years?? ;-P
>>
>> Does it count as lurking if you just check to see if there are any
>> messages?
>>
> IMHO, no!! Isn't 'Lurking' all about reading a newsgroup as much as you
> wanted .... but not/never posting anything into a newsgroup!! i.e
> getting the benefit of but never contributing to the newsgroup.

But what if there are no messages EVER? Spam doesn't count...

--
Cheers, Bev
"When I was in college, the only job I could get was
shitting on people's lawns. Sure, the owners complained,
but it was honest work and it kept me off welfare..."
-- M. Tabnik in mcfl (paraphrased)

[Sailfish]

My bloviated meandering follows what Daniel65 graced us with on 4/6/2021
12:33 AM:

For a few some, reading and NOT responding overwhelmingly contributes to
the group.

[Sailfish]

My bloviated meandering follows what Adam H. Kerman graced us with on
4/4/2021 2:23 PM:

Okay, enough time has passed for me to decide which groups to keep
subscribed to. Response results since 3/28/2021:

>>> netscape.public.mozilla.browser ( 4) -- for Firefox
>>> netscape.public.mozilla.mail-news ( 0) -- for Thunderbird
>>> netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey (52) -- for SeaMonkey

alt.comp.software.firefox (36)
alt.comp.software.thunderbird (22)
alt.comp.software.seamonkey (30)

While the Netscape seamonkey group had more response, they only involved
the subject of the use of the group for support rather than any support
questions; where as, all of the alt.comp.support groups have inquiries
and response to actual product issue. Therefore, I will unsubscribe to
the Netscape groups and continue with the a.c.s groups.

YMMV

[Mike Easter]

Sailfish wrote:
> For a few some, reading and NOT responding overwhelmingly contributes to
> the group.

Ha.

--
Mike Easter

[Daniel65]

Sailfish wrote on 7/4/21 3:49 am:

Why unsubscribe?? The traffic isn't that heavy, as yet, so why not stick
with them all .... until we at least see where the wind blows,
Sailfish?? ;-)
--
Daniel

[Daniel65]

Sailfish wrote on 7/4/21 3:27 am:

Naughty, Naughty, Sailfish!! ;-P
--
Daniel

[Daniel65]

The Real Bev wrote on 7/4/21 2:31 am:

> On 04/06/2021 12:33 AM, Daniel65 wrote:
>> The Real Bev wrote on 6/4/21 5:02 am:
>>> On 04/05/2021 12:57 AM, Daniel65 wrote:
>>>> J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote on 5/4/21 1:26 am:
>>>>>
>>>>> alt.fan.mozilla seems to be collecting many of the m.general regulars.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah!! Or have they just been lurkers for the last umpteen years?? ;-P
>>>
>>> Does it count as lurking if you just check to see if there are any
>>> messages?
>>>
>> IMHO, no!! Isn't 'Lurking' all about reading a newsgroup as much as you
>> wanted .... but not/never posting anything into a newsgroup!! i.e
>> getting the benefit of but never contributing to the newsgroup.
>
> But what if there are no messages EVER?  Spam doesn't count...
>

Give them time, Bev. ;-P
--
Daniel

[The Real Bev]

We need to pay attention to new people -- we NEED to identify the jerk
with the autoresponder.

--
Cheers, Bev
Please hassle me, I thrive on stress.

[The Real Bev]

On 04/07/2021 07:24 AM, s|b wrote:

> On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 13:37:28 -0300, alexyu wrote:
>
>> Who decides what's "proper"?
>

> <https://website-archive.mozilla.org/www.mozilla.org/firefox_releasenotes/en-us/firefox/releases/1.5>
>
> | How do I capitalize Firefox? How do I abbreviate it?
> |
> | Only the first letter is capitalized (so it's Firefox, not FireFox.) The preferred abbreviation is "Fx" or "fx".

Normal abbreviation methods use only capitals even though the words (or
fragments) themselves might not be capitalized. Who defined 'normal'? Me.

Mixing capitals, lower case and numerals is a real bitch to read and
write.

[Sailfish]

My bloviated meandering follows what Daniel65 graced us with on 4/6/2021

7:53 PM:

A judgment call, for sure. However, looking at the previous traffic on
those groups, it appears they were all but dead anyway. I can always
resubscribe to them in the future to see if they've perked-up any. Also,
the only one I'm really interested in is the Fx group since I don't use
current versions of Thunderbird nor Seamonkey.

[Sailfish]

My bloviated meandering follows what The Real Bev graced us with on
4/7/2021 8:22 AM:

Camel-case has its advantages when naming files, writing in leet-speak
and, marginally, when creating passwords, imo.

[Wolf K]

On 2021-04-07 14:02, s|b wrote:

> On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 08:22:57 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
>
>> Normal abbreviation methods use only capitals even though the words (or
>> fragments) themselves might not be capitalized. Who defined 'normal'? Me.
>

> That doesn't take away the fact that the preferred abbreviation is "Fx"
> or "fx".
>

>> Mixing capitals, lower case and numerals is a real bitch to read and
>> write.
>

> Blame Mozilla. You're a fan of Mozilla, right? ;-)
>

Ignore Mozilla. Everybody understands FF and TB.

--
Wolf K <https://kirkwood40.blogspot.com>
People that work at the bubble wrap factory must have a lot of self control.

[The Real Bev]

On 04/07/2021 09:24 AM, Sailfish wrote:
> My bloviated meandering follows what The Real Bev graced us with on
> 4/7/2021 8:22 AM:
>> On 04/07/2021 07:24 AM, s|b wrote:
>>> On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 13:37:28 -0300, alexyu wrote:
>>>
>>>> Who decides what's "proper"?
>>>
>>> <https://website-archive.mozilla.org/www.mozilla.org/firefox_releasenotes/en-us/firefox/releases/1.5>
>>>
>>>
>>> | How do I capitalize Firefox? How do I abbreviate it?
>>> |
>>> | Only the first letter is capitalized (so it's Firefox, not FireFox.)
>>> The preferred abbreviation is "Fx" or "fx".
>>
>> Normal abbreviation methods use only capitals even though the words (or
>> fragments) themselves might not be capitalized. Who defined 'normal'? Me.
>>
>> Mixing capitals, lower case and numerals is a real bitch to read and write.
>>
> Camel-case has its advantages when naming files, writing in leet-speak
> and, marginally, when creating passwords, imo.

No, not for anything people have to actually USE. You can read a word
in a fraction of a second. 'Camel-case' (where did that term come
from?) takes multiple seconds to understand and another multiple seconds
to reproduce, with frequent additional checks. This is especially bad
on a phone unless such a password gets saved automatically.

I'm in favor of saving ALL passwords automatically unless you choose not
to -- I don't want my bank's password in my phone (I only have the
account there so I can deposit checks without actually going to the
bank), but nothing else is important enough to bother with GOOD passwords.

--
Cheers, Bev
"Tough? We drink our urine and eat our dead!"
-- N. Heilweil

[The Real Bev]

On 04/07/2021 11:02 AM, s|b wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 08:22:57 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
>

>> Normal abbreviation methods use only capitals even though the words (or
>> fragments) themselves might not be capitalized. Who defined 'normal'? Me.
>

> That doesn't take away the fact that the preferred abbreviation is "Fx"
> or "fx".

"Preferred" is in the mind of the preferrer.

>> Mixing capitals, lower case and numerals is a real bitch to read and
>> write.
>

> Blame Mozilla. You're a fan of Mozilla, right? ;-)

Well, yeah, by default, kind of. Like democracy -- the worst system,
except for all the others.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 at 13:42:11, The Real Bev <bashl...@gmail.com>

wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):

>On 04/07/2021 09:24 AM, Sailfish wrote:
>> My bloviated meandering follows what The Real Bev graced us with on
>> 4/7/2021 8:22 AM:
>>> On 04/07/2021 07:24 AM, s|b wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 13:37:28 -0300, alexyu wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Who decides what's "proper"?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>><https://website-archive.mozilla.org/www.mozilla.org/firefox_releasen
>>>>otes/en-us/firefox/releases/1.5>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> | How do I capitalize Firefox? How do I abbreviate it?
>>>> |
>>>> | Only the first letter is capitalized (so it's Firefox, not FireFox.)
>>>> The preferred abbreviation is "Fx" or "fx".
>>>
>>> Normal abbreviation methods use only capitals even though the words (or
>>> fragments) themselves might not be capitalized. Who defined 'normal'? Me.

(-:

>>>
>>> Mixing capitals, lower case and numerals is a real bitch to read and write.

Though it's been used (well, without the numerals) in English for a
while [you used a capital M in the line above (-:].

>>>
>> Camel-case has its advantages when naming files, writing in leet-speak
>> and, marginally, when creating passwords, imo.
>
>No, not for anything people have to actually USE. You can read a word
>in a fraction of a second.

_You_ can, yes; I'm told that if you use CamelCase in Twitter hashtags,
they read better for those "reading" with speech synthesis. I don't know
how true that is.

> 'Camel-case' (where did that term come from?)

From the look, I think - it has humps in it!

> takes multiple seconds to understand and another multiple seconds to
>reproduce, with frequent additional checks. This is especially bad on
>a phone unless such a password gets saved automatically.
>
>I'm in favor of saving ALL passwords automatically unless you choose

I like my browser to offer to do so, but I like the option to say no.

>not to -- I don't want my bank's password in my phone (I only have the
>account there so I can deposit checks without actually going to the
>bank), but nothing else is important enough to bother with GOOD
>passwords.
>
--

J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

The best way to achieve immortality is by not dying.

[Sailfish]

My bloviated meandering follows what The Real Bev graced us with on

4/7/2021 1:42 PM:

> On 04/07/2021 09:24 AM, Sailfish wrote:
>> My bloviated meandering follows what The Real Bev graced us with on
>> 4/7/2021 8:22 AM:
>>> On 04/07/2021 07:24 AM, s|b wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 13:37:28 -0300, alexyu wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Who decides what's "proper"?
>>>>
>>>> <https://website-archive.mozilla.org/www.mozilla.org/firefox_releasenotes/en-us/firefox/releases/1.5>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> | How do I capitalize Firefox? How do I abbreviate it?
>>>> |
>>>> | Only the first letter is capitalized (so it's Firefox, not FireFox.)
>>>> The preferred abbreviation is "Fx" or "fx".
>>>
>>> Normal abbreviation methods use only capitals even though the words (or
>>> fragments) themselves might not be capitalized. Who defined
>>> 'normal'? Me.
>>>
>>> Mixing capitals, lower case and numerals is a real bitch to read and
>>> write.
>>>
>> Camel-case has its advantages when naming files, writing in leet-speak
>> and, marginally, when creating passwords, imo.
>
> No, not for anything people have to actually USE. You can read a word
> in a fraction of a second. 'Camel-case' (where did that term come
> from?) takes multiple seconds to understand and another multiple seconds
> to reproduce, with frequent additional checks. This is especially bad
> on a phone unless such a password gets saved automatically.
>

Where it really comes in handy is in naming files that will be hosted on
network where some OSes hate spaces and some don't. Sure, one could use
underscores but those are more of a PITA to use in my opinion.

I wouldn't recommend using it for lengthy text but for short phrases and
in special circumstances, it has it places, including writing code.

As far as passwords, I'm still of the opinion that the use of "spaces"
would make a world of difference, see:
https://xkcd.com/936/

CamelCaseOrigin - Humps on a camel

> I'm in favor of saving ALL passwords automatically unless you choose not
> to -- I don't want my bank's password in my phone (I only have the
> account there so I can deposit checks without actually going to the
> bank), but nothing else is important enough to bother with GOOD passwords.
>

Agree. my financial sites passwords are never stored online or in any
password saver app; although, I'm not confident that the institutions
don't save them even though they say they don't. Further, I never, ever,
no-never, use my smartphone for any financial activity.
Google/Apple/Micro~1/Amazon are always connected with those devices.

[Sailfish]

My bloviated meandering follows what Wolf K graced us with on 4/7/2021
12:43 PM:

> On 2021-04-07 14:02, s|b wrote:
>> On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 08:22:57 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
>>
>>> Normal abbreviation methods use only capitals even though the words (or
>>> fragments) themselves might not be capitalized. Who defined
>>> 'normal'? Me.
>>
>> That doesn't take away the fact that the preferred abbreviation is "Fx"
>> or "fx".
>>
>>> Mixing capitals, lower case and numerals is a real bitch to read and
>>> write.
>>
>> Blame Mozilla. You're a fan of Mozilla, right? ;-)
>>
>
> Ignore Mozilla. Everybody understands FF and TB.
>

FF and TB?

[Wolf K]

On 2021-04-07 17:51, Sailfish wrote:
> My bloviated meandering follows what Wolf K graced us with on 4/7/2021
> 12:43 PM:
>> On 2021-04-07 14:02, s|b wrote:
>>> On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 08:22:57 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>
>>>> Normal abbreviation methods use only capitals even though the words (or
>>>> fragments) themselves might not be capitalized.  Who defined
>>>> 'normal'?  Me.
>>>
>>> That doesn't take away the fact that the preferred abbreviation is "Fx"
>>> or "fx".
>>>
>>>> Mixing capitals, lower case and numerals is a real bitch to read and
>>>> write.
>>>
>>> Blame Mozilla. You're a fan of Mozilla, right? ;-)
>>>
>>
>> Ignore Mozilla. Everybody understands FF and TB.
>>
> FF and TB?
>

Firefox and Thunderbird.

I guess I shoulda said "most everybody". :-)

[Sailfish]

My bloviated meandering follows what Wolf K graced us with on 4/7/2021

3:44 PM:

> On 2021-04-07 17:51, Sailfish wrote:
>> My bloviated meandering follows what Wolf K graced us with on 4/7/2021
>> 12:43 PM:
>>> On 2021-04-07 14:02, s|b wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 08:22:57 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Normal abbreviation methods use only capitals even though the words
>>>>> (or
>>>>> fragments) themselves might not be capitalized. Who defined
>>>>> 'normal'? Me.
>>>>
>>>> That doesn't take away the fact that the preferred abbreviation is "Fx"
>>>> or "fx".
>>>>
>>>>> Mixing capitals, lower case and numerals is a real bitch to read and
>>>>> write.
>>>>
>>>> Blame Mozilla. You're a fan of Mozilla, right? ;-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Ignore Mozilla. Everybody understands FF and TB.
>>>
>> FF and TB?
>>
> Firefox and Thunderbird.
>
> I guess I shoulda said "most everybody". :-)
>

heh, jk :_)

[The Real Bev]

Capitalizing the beginning letter of a word is one thing; doing it
randomly is very different. And reading all caps is harder than reading
lower-case. We get good at what we do the most of.

> As far as passwords, I'm still of the opinion that the use of "spaces"
> would make a world of difference, see:
> https://xkcd.com/936/

NEVER put spaces in filenames. Having to escape them with backslashes
is just more trouble than it's worth. What's wrong with dots?
Everybody got used to dots when 8.3 was the best you could do. We
managed, right?

>
> CamelCaseOrigin - Humps on a camel
>
>> I'm in favor of saving ALL passwords automatically unless you choose not
>> to -- I don't want my bank's password in my phone (I only have the
>> account there so I can deposit checks without actually going to the
>> bank), but nothing else is important enough to bother with GOOD passwords.

I'm pissed that some apps refuse to save passwords. More annoying is
entities that allow subscriptions without first demanding an ack from
the mail account in question; most annoying of those are the entities
that probide no CONTACT US information in order to get rid of accounts
that we never established. Upon occasion I've threatened to report
<entity> to the FBI for disseminating child pornography but I've never
actually done it.

> Agree. my financial sites passwords are never stored online or in any
> password saver app; although, I'm not confident that the institutions
> don't save them even though they say they don't. Further, I never, ever,
> no-never, use my smartphone for any financial activity.
> Google/Apple/Micro~1/Amazon are always connected with those devices.

The convenience:security tradeoff is an individual decision.

--
Cheers, Bev
My house isn't a pigsty, it's an Immunity Enhancement Center.

[The Real Bev]

On 04/07/2021 02:51 PM, Sailfish wrote:
> My bloviated meandering follows what Wolf K graced us with on 4/7/2021
> 12:43 PM:
>> On 2021-04-07 14:02, s|b wrote:
>>> On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 08:22:57 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>
>>>> Normal abbreviation methods use only capitals even though the words (or
>>>> fragments) themselves might not be capitalized. Who defined
>>>> 'normal'? Me.
>>>
>>> That doesn't take away the fact that the preferred abbreviation is "Fx"
>>> or "fx".
>>>
>>>> Mixing capitals, lower case and numerals is a real bitch to read and
>>>> write.
>>>
>>> Blame Mozilla. You're a fan of Mozilla, right? ;-)
>>>
>>
>> Ignore Mozilla. Everybody understands FF and TB.
>>
> FF and TB?

Bastard!

[Daniel65]

The Real Bev wrote on 8/4/21 1:19 am:

Always, Bev, ALWAYS!!
--
Daniel

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 at 18:44:54, Wolf K <wol...@sympatico.ca> wrote (my

responses usually follow points raised):

>On 2021-04-07 17:51, Sailfish wrote:
>> My bloviated meandering follows what Wolf K graced us with on
>>4/7/2021 12:43 PM:

[]

>>> Ignore Mozilla. Everybody understands FF and TB.
>>>
>> FF and TB?
>>
> Firefox and Thunderbird.
>
>I guess I shoulda said "most everybody". :-)
>

And "almost" (-:

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Veni, Vidi, Vomit (I came, I saw, I was ill) - m...@saslimited.demon.co.uk, 1998

[WaltS48]

On 4/8/21 8:43 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 at 18:44:54, Wolf K <wol...@sympatico.ca> wrote
> (my responses usually follow points raised):
>> On 2021-04-07 17:51, Sailfish wrote:
>>> My bloviated meandering follows what Wolf K graced us with on
>>> 4/7/2021  12:43 PM:
> []
>>>> Ignore Mozilla. Everybody understands FF and TB.
>>>>
>>> FF and TB?
>>>
>> Firefox and Thunderbird.
>>
>> I guess I shoulda said "most everybody". :-)
>>
> And "almost" (-:

So my FR is really a Ferrari and not a Ford? Sweet!

[Sailfish]

My bloviated meandering follows what The Real Bev graced us with on
4/7/2021 7:35 PM:

heh*2

[Wolf K]

On 2021-04-08 08:43, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 at 18:44:54, Wolf K <wol...@sympatico.ca> wrote (my
> responses usually follow points raised):
>> On 2021-04-07 17:51, Sailfish wrote:
>>> My bloviated meandering follows what Wolf K graced us with on
>>> 4/7/2021  12:43 PM:
> []
>>>> Ignore Mozilla. Everybody understands FF and TB.
>>>>
>>> FF and TB?
>>>
>> Firefox and Thunderbird.
>>
>> I guess I shoulda said "most everybody". :-)
>>
> And "almost" (-:

Not in in this here dialect. :-)