A hard Day's Prayer
guardian Snow
strength, my refuge is in Elohim. 8 Trust in Him at all times, you
people; Pour out your heart before Him; Elohim is a refuge for us.
Selah.
A Hard Day’s Prayer
Dear Father,
In spite of everything, I thank You for calling me to this work, and I
praise Your name for success amid failure, conversions among the
hardened, and a few kind words from my friends to offset the gossip of
my critics. Save me from obsessing over my foes or from thinking I’m a
martyr because of low approval ratings. Don’t just keep me faithful;
make me joyful. Relieve my anxieties, increase my confidence, and use
me despite myself. Keep me from leaving this work a minute too early,
or from staying a day too long. In all I do, help me work heartily as
unto You, offering the work of my hands and heart as a sweet savor
humbly rendered. Anoint me with Your blessings, though delayed or
unseen, for You have promised that my labor in You is not in vain, and
I am taking You at Your Word.
In יהושע Messiah's name. Amen.
Shalom,
Snow
Sweetest Lord, make me appreciative of the dignity of my high
vocation, and its many responsibilities. Never permit me to disgrace
it by giving way to coldness, unkindness, or impatience.
Mother Teresa
Qadosh Stephanos
<snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>Psa 62:7 My deliverance and my esteem depend on Elohim; The rock of my
>strength, my refuge is in Elohim. 8 Trust in Him at all times, you
>people; Pour out your heart before Him; Elohim is a refuge for us.
>Selah.
>
>
>
>A Hard Day’s Prayer
>
>Dear Father,
>
>In spite of everything, I thank You for calling me to this work, and I
>praise Your name for success amid failure, conversions among the
>hardened, and a few kind words from my friends to offset the gossip of
>my critics. Save me from obsessing over my foes or from thinking I’m a
>martyr because of low approval ratings. Don’t just keep me faithful;
>make me joyful. Relieve my anxieties, increase my confidence, and use
>me despite myself. Keep me from leaving this work a minute too early,
>or from staying a day too long. In all I do, help me work heartily as
>unto You, offering the work of my hands and heart as a sweet savor
>humbly rendered. Anoint me with Your blessings, though delayed or
>unseen, for You have promised that my labor in You is not in vain, and
>I am taking You at Your Word.
>
>In ????? Messiah's name. Amen.
>
>Shalom,
>
>Snow
>
>Sweetest Lord, make me appreciative of the dignity of my high
>vocation, and its many responsibilities. Never permit me to disgrace
>it by giving way to coldness, unkindness, or impatience.
>Mother Teresa
Matthew chapter 6.
Qadosh Stephanos
<snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>Psa 62:7 My deliverance and my esteem depend on Elohim; The rock of my
>strength, my refuge is in Elohim. 8 Trust in Him at all times, you
>people; Pour out your heart before Him; Elohim is a refuge for us.
>Selah.
>
>
>
>A Hard Day’s Prayer
>
>Dear Father,
>
>In spite of everything, I thank You for calling me to this work, and I
>praise Your name for success amid failure, conversions among the
>hardened, and a few kind words from my friends to offset the gossip of
>my critics. Save me from obsessing over my foes or from thinking I’m a
>martyr because of low approval ratings. Don’t just keep me faithful;
>make me joyful. Relieve my anxieties, increase my confidence, and use
>me despite myself. Keep me from leaving this work a minute too early,
>or from staying a day too long. In all I do, help me work heartily as
>unto You, offering the work of my hands and heart as a sweet savor
>humbly rendered. Anoint me with Your blessings, though delayed or
>unseen, for You have promised that my labor in You is not in vain, and
>I am taking You at Your Word.
>
>In ????? Messiah's name. Amen.
>
>Shalom,
>
>Snow
>
>Sweetest Lord, make me appreciative of the dignity of my high
>vocation, and its many responsibilities. Never permit me to disgrace
>it by giving way to coldness, unkindness, or impatience.
>Mother Teresa
Matthew chapter 6 (ASV)
Take heed that ye do not your righteousness before men, to be seen of
them: else ye have no reward with your Father who is in heaven. When
therefore thou doest alms, sound not a trumpet before thee, as the
hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have
glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have received their reward.
But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right
hand doeth: that thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father who seeth
in secret shall recompense thee. And when ye pray, ye shall not be as
the hypocrites: for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and
in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I
say unto you, They have received their reward. But thou, when thou
prayest, enter into thine inner chamber, and having shut thy door,
pray to thy Father who is in secret, and thy Father who seeth in
secret shall recompense thee. And in praying use not vain repetitions,
as the Gentiles do: for they think that they shall be heard for their
much speaking. Be not therefore like unto them: for your Father
knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. After this
manner therefore pray ye. Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be
thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so on
earth. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as
we also have forgiven our debtors. And bring us not into temptation,
but deliver us from the evil one. For if ye forgive men their
trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if ye
forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive
your trespasses. Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of
a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may be
seen of men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have received their
reward. But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thy head, and wash thy
face; that thou be not seen of men to fast, but of thy Father who is
in secret: and thy Father, who seeth in secret, shall recompense thee.
Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon the earth, where moth and
rust consume, and where thieves break through and steal: but lay up
for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth
consume, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: for where
thy treasure is, there will thy heart be also. The lamp of the body is
the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be
full of light. But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full
of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how
great is the darkness! No man can serve two masters; for either he
will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to one,
and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. Therefore I say
unto you, be not anxious for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye
shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the
life more than the food, and the body than the raiment? Behold the
birds of the heaven, that they sow not, neither do they reap, nor
gather into barns; and your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are not ye
of much more value then they? And which of you by being anxious can
add one cubit unto the measure of his life? And why are ye anxious
concerning raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow;
they toil not, neither do they spin: yet I say unto you, that even
Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. But if God
doth so clothe the grass of the field, which to-day is, and to-morrow
is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of
little faith? Be not therefore anxious, saying, What shall we eat? or,
What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? For after
all these things do the Gentiles seek; for your heavenly Father
knoweth that ye have need of all these things. But seek ye first his
kingdom, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added
unto you. Be not therefore anxious for the morrow: for the morrow will
be anxious for itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
Hypocrite.
guardian Snow
wrote:
> Hypocrite.
You should take the time to explain to me why you feel like that. I
love Matthew 6 but I really don't see your relevance with me sharing a
prayer.
Shalom,
Snow
Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think
that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the person
who has nothing to eat.
Mother Teresa
bob young
guardian Snow wrote:
> Psa 62:7 My deliverance and my esteem depend on Elohim; The rock of my
> strength, my refuge is in Elohim. 8 Trust in Him at all times, you
> people; Pour out your heart before Him; Elohim is a refuge for us.
> Selah.
>
> A Hard Dayβ s Prayer
>
> Dear Father,
>
> In spite of everything, I thank You for calling me to this work,
A god didn't 'call' you, you were indoctrinated [by other humans].
I trust you are capable of rational thought?
Was the Hindu priest down the road 'called' by a god that has the body of a
woman and the head of an elephant ?
> and I
> praise Your name for success amid failure, conversions among the
> hardened, and a few kind words from my friends to offset the gossip of
> my critics. Save me from obsessing over my foes or from thinking Iβ m a
> martyr because of low approval ratings. Donβ t just keep me faithful;
> make me joyful. Relieve my anxieties, increase my confidence, and use
> me despite myself. Keep me from leaving this work a minute too early,
> or from staying a day too long. In all I do, help me work heartily as
> unto You, offering the work of my hands and heart as a sweet savor
> humbly rendered. Anoint me with Your blessings, though delayed or
> unseen, for You have promised that my labor in You is not in vain, and
> I am taking You at Your Word.
>
> In Χ Χ Χ Χ©Χ’ Messiah's name. Amen.
guardian Snow
> guardian Snow wrote:
> > Psa 62:7 My deliverance and my esteem depend on Elohim; The rock of my
> > strength, my refuge is in Elohim. 8 Trust in Him at all times, you
> > people; Pour out your heart before Him; Elohim is a refuge for us.
> > Selah.
>
>
> > Dear Father,
>
> > In spite of everything, I thank You for calling me to this work,
>
> A god didn't 'call' you, you were indoctrinated [by other humans].
Just because you didn't here it brother, doesn't mean he didn't speak
and if you learn to listen with your heart by faith, you'll hear he's
calling you too brother.
1Jn 3:1 See what love the Father has given us, that we should be
called children of Elohim! For this reason the world does not know us,
because it did not know Him.
> I trust you are capable of rational thought?
I thank you for that trust and know that you are too and you are
called by FAITH in his words.
1Ti 6:12 Fight the good fight of the belief, lay hold on everlasting
life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good
confession before many witnesses.
> Was the Hindu priest down the road 'called' by a god that has the body of a
> woman and the head of an elephant ?
Joh 4:23 "But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true
worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the
Father also does seek such to worship Him.
True worship means to follow no image.
Exo 20:4 "You do not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness
of that which is in the heavens above, or which is in the earth
beneath, or which is in the waters under the earth,
We worship in the spirit and I thank you for your challenging
thoughts. As always you test my faith and I am grateful to give my
witness.
Shalom,
Snow
We are the only beings on the planet who lead such rich internal lives
that it's not the events that matter most to us, but rather, it's how
we interpret those events that will determine how we think about
ourselves and how we will act in the future.
Tony Robbins
bob young
guardian Snow wrote:
> On Jan 27, 2:19 pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> > guardian Snow wrote:
> > > Psa 62:7 My deliverance and my esteem depend on Elohim; The rock of my
> > > strength, my refuge is in Elohim. 8 Trust in Him at all times, you
> > > people; Pour out your heart before Him; Elohim is a refuge for us.
> > > Selah.
> >
> > > A Hard Day's Prayer
> >
> > > Dear Father,
> >
> > > In spite of everything, I thank You for calling me to this work,
> >
> > A god didn't 'call' you, you were indoctrinated [by other humans].
>
> Just because you didn't here it brother, doesn't mean he didn't speak
> and if you learn to listen with your heart by faith, you'll hear he's
> calling you too brother.
If you are interested the truth brother,
hearing something happens when your eardrums vibrate
as they do in all mammals, resulting from the evolutionary process
If you 'hear' something in any other form it is most likely mass hysteria
of the kind practiced at a good many religious gatherings.
>
>
> 1Jn 3:1 See what love the Father has given us, that we should be
> called children of Elohim! For this reason the world does not know us,
> because it did not know Him.
>
> > I trust you are capable of rational thought?
>
> I thank you for that trust and know that you are too and you are
> called by FAITH in his words.
>
> 1Ti 6:12 Fight the good fight of the belief, lay hold on everlasting
> life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good
> confession before many witnesses.
>
> > Was the Hindu priest down the road 'called' by a god that has the body of a
> > woman and the head of an elephant ?
you failed to address this one -
>
>
> Joh 4:23 "But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true
> worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the
> Father also does seek such to worship Him.
>
> True worship means to follow no image.
>
> Exo 20:4 "You do not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness
> of that which is in the heavens above, or which is in the earth
> beneath, or which is in the waters under the earth,
>
> We worship in the spirit and I thank you for your challenging
> thoughts. As always you test my faith and I am grateful to give my
> witness.
Thanks - much appreciated. [can you clearly define 'spirit' using contemporary
English?]
Cheers
Bob
guardian Snow
> > > Was the Hindu priest down the road 'called' by a god that has the body of a
> > > woman and the head of an elephant ?
>
> you failed to address this one -
I'm sorry Bob, I thought I did address it by explaining that one
called by Elohim worships in the spirit. So the answer to your
question is, Yes. I know that surprised you but by the way you worded
your question, it is the answer. The Hindu priest is called by "a
god" but I do not worship "a god", the religion of scriptures is set
apart from all the others and is why I worship יהוה who is a spirit
in part.
Luk 4:18 “The Spirit of יהוה is upon Me,1 because He has anointed Me
to bring the Good News to the poor. He has sent Me to heal the broken-
hearted, to proclaim release to the captives and recovery of sight to
the blind, to send away crushed ones with a release, Footnote: 1Isa.
61:1-3.
So while the Hinda may follow "a god", it is not the Elohim of
scriptures that he follows or he would worship only in the spirit as I
pointed out by quoting"
> > Joh 4:23 "But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true
> > worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the
> > Father also does seek such to worship Him.
>
> > True worship means to follow no image.
> > Exo 20:4 "You do not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness
> > of that which is in the heavens above, or which is in the earth
> > beneath, or which is in the waters under the earth,
>
> > We worship in the spirit and I thank you for your challenging
> > thoughts. As always you test my faith and I am grateful to give my
> > witness.
>
> Thanks - much appreciated. [can you clearly define 'spirit' using contemporary
> English?]
Word definition is best left to the experts in the field and so I
leave you with some of the many definitions by Webster:
Spirit
SPIR'IT, n. [L. spiritus, from spiro, to breathe, to blow. The primary
sense is to rush or drive.]
1. Primarily, wind; air in motion; hence, breath. All bodies have
spirits and pneumatical parts within them. [This sense is now
unusual.]
2. Animal excitement, or the effect of it; life; ardor; fire; courage;
elevation or vehemence of mind. The troops attacked the enemy with
great spirit. The young man has the spirit of youth. He speaks or act
with spirit. Spirits, in the plural, is used in nearly a like sense.
The troops began to recover their spirits.
3. Vigor of intellect; genius. His wit, his beauty and his spirit. The
noblest spirit or genius cannot deserve enough of mankind to pretend
to the esteem of heroic virtue.
4. Temper; disposition of mind, habitual or temporary; as a man of a
generous spirit, or of a revengeful spirit; the ornament of a meek and
quiet spirit. Let us go to the house of God in the spirit of prayer.
5. The soul of man; the intelligent, immaterial and immortal part of
human beings. [See Soul.] the spirit shall return to God that gave it.
Eceles. 12.
6. An immaterial intelligent substance. Spirit is a substance in which
thinking, knowing, doubting, and a power of moving do subsist. Hence,
7. An immaterial intelligent being. By which he went and preached to
the spirit in prison. I Pet. 3. God is a spirit. John 4.
9. Powers of mind distinct from the body. In spirit perhaps he also
saw Rich Mexico, the seat of Montezume.
10. Sentiment; perception. You spirit is too true, your fears too
certain.
11. Eager desire; disposition of mind excited and directed to a
particular object. God has made a spirit of building succeed a spirit
of pulling down.
12. A person of activity; a man of life, vigor or enterprise. The
watery kingdom is no bar to stop the foreign spirits, but they come.
13. Persons distinguished by qualities of the mind. Such spirits as he
desired to please, such would I choose for my judges.
14. Excitement of mind; animation; cheerfulness; usually in the
plural. We found our friend in very good spirits. He has a great flow
of spirits. -To sing thy praise, would heaven my breath prolong,
Infusing spirits worthy such a song.
15. Life or strength of resemblance; essential qualities; as, to set
off the face in its true spirit. The copy has not the spirit of the
original.
17. That which hath power or energy; the quality of any substance
which manifest life, activity, or the power of strongly affecting
other bodies; as the spirit of wine or of any liquor.
19. An apparition; a ghost.
20. The renewed nature of man. Mat 26. Gal 5.
21. The influences of the Holy Spirit. Mat 22.
HOLY SPIRIT, the third person in the Trinity.
I have to say Bob, even if you don't believe what I do and have the
same experience, I really appreciate speaking with you in such a civil
manner and have a lot of respect for you.
I truly think that one day you'll come to see things in the same light
and come to know how much you are loved by Elohim.
Joh 6:47 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me possesses
everlasting life.
Joh 6:48 “I am the bread of life.
I believe you are being called to the dinner table too. I look forward
to speaking with you again:)
Shalom,
Snow
Surmounting difficulty is the crucible that forms character.
Tony Robbins
Qadosh Stephanos
<snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>On Jan 27, 1:21 am, Qadosh Stephanos <qadosh.stepha...@yahoo.ca>
>wrote:
>
>> Hypocrite.
>
>You should take the time to explain to me why you feel like that. I
>love Matthew 6 but I really don't see your relevance with me sharing a
>prayer.
Matthew 6:5-18 (ASV)
And when ye pray, ye shall not be as the hypocrites: for they love to
stand and pray in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets,
that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have
received their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thine
inner chamber, and having shut thy door, pray to thy Father who is in
secret, and thy Father who seeth in secret shall recompense thee. And
in praying use not vain repetitions, as the Gentiles do: for they
think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Be not
therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have
need of, before ye ask him. After this manner therefore pray ye. Our
Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy
will be done, as in heaven, so on earth. Give us this day our daily
bread. And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And bring us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.
For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also
forgive you. But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will
your Father forgive your trespasses. Moreover when ye fast, be not, as
the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces,
that they may be seen of men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have
received their reward. But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thy head,
and wash thy face; that thou be not seen of men to fast, but of thy
Father who is in secret: and thy Father, who seeth in secret, shall
recompense thee.
A double hypocrite. Using the words of your own enemies to attract.
Deceitful beyond scriptures. Shame on you. Treasonous beyond words.
A double agent of fallen angels. A smooth talker of Paul's Godspel.
Shame on you.
guardian Snow
wrote:
> A double hypocrite. Using the words of your own enemies to attract.
> Deceitful beyond scriptures. Shame on you. Treasonous beyond words.
> A double agent of fallen angels. A smooth talker of Paul's Godspel.
> Shame on you.
Mat 16:6 And יהושע said to them, “Mind! And beware of the leaven of
the Pharisees and the Sadducees.”
Read the scriptures my friend and you will find that I am not afraid
of the truth that sets me free, only the leaven of the Pharisee and I
have the eye to know the difference.
1Ti 6:12 Fight the good fight of the belief, lay hold on everlasting
life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good
confession before many witnesses.
Words encouraging us to confess our faith and fight the good fight are
hardly ones I'd be ashamed of. You are mistaken to think that Paul is
my enemy and I have found it better to focus on the truth.
Pro 31:21 She is not afraid of snow for her household, For all her
household is dressed in scarlet.
The fact is that if all I am doing is preaching a negative message
then I am not keeping true to the spirit of the Good News my friend:
Mat 28:19 “Therefore, go and make taught ones of all the nations,
immersing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Set-
apart Spirit,
The Job is preaching the Good News, not being afraid of some defeated
enemy.
Shalom,
Snow
I have been up against tough competition all my life. I wouldn't know
how to get along without it.
Walt Disney
Qadosh Stephanos
<snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>On Jan 28, 4:06 am, Qadosh Stephanos <qadosh.stepha...@yahoo.ca>
>wrote:
>
>> A double hypocrite. Using the words of your own enemies to attract.
>> Deceitful beyond scriptures. Shame on you. Treasonous beyond words.
>> A double agent of fallen angels. A smooth talker of Paul's Godspel.
>> Shame on you.
>
>Mat 16:6 And ????? said to them, “Mind! And beware of the leaven of
>the Pharisees and the Sadducees.”
>
>Read the scriptures my friend and you will find that I am not afraid
>of the truth that sets me free, only the leaven of the Pharisee and I
>have the eye to know the difference.
>
>1Ti 6:12 Fight the good fight of the belief, lay hold on everlasting
>life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good
>confession before many witnesses.
>
>Words encouraging us to confess our faith and fight the good fight are
>hardly ones I'd be ashamed of. You are mistaken to think that Paul is
>my enemy and I have found it better to focus on the truth.
>
>Pro 31:21 She is not afraid of snow for her household, For all her
>household is dressed in scarlet.
>
>The fact is that if all I am doing is preaching a negative message
>then I am not keeping true to the spirit of the Good News my friend:
>
>Mat 28:19 “Therefore, go and make taught ones of all the nations,
>immersing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Set-
>apart Spirit,
>
>The Job is preaching the Good News, not being afraid of some defeated
>enemy.
>
>Shalom,
>
>Snow
>
>I have been up against tough competition all my life. I wouldn't know
>how to get along without it.
>Walt Disney
You hiding something.
guardian Snow
wrote:
> You hiding something.
Not at all. Whats important is that I speak the truth. I know that
I'm accountable for each word I put forward and so I lay it on the
line as I am guided by the set apart spirit. I've told the truth and
those who are interested can read my messages on usenet.
Deu 4:29 “But from there you shall seek יהוה your Elohim, and shall
find, when you search for Him with all your heart1 and with all your
being. Footnote: 1Jer. 29:13.
Shalom,
Snow
An army of principles can penetrate where an army of soldiers cannot.
Thomas Paine
Linda Lee
I've seen most Christian churches are Pauline almost exclusive of
preaching any other part of the NT and also ignoring the OT.
It's a mistake to use even the parts of Paul's writings where he isn't
threatening not to spare them or to wield the sword on them, as Paul
used words like love, etc. to con people into believing he preached
the gospel of Christ.
So you're either posting his con or his threats when you post Paul's
words.
It makes me sick to read the following from Paul:
> 1Ti 6:12 Fight the good fight of the belief, lay hold on everlasting
> life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good
> confession before many witnesses.
Fight the good fight? With swords against believers (Romans 13)?? "of
the belief" - the beliefs of Paul.
Rom 13:4-5 "For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if
thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in
vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon
him that doeth evil.Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for
wrath, but also for conscience sake."
And yes, Paul is speaking of himself as a minister here as he uses the
same Greek word for minister here as he does in Col. 1:24-25: " the
church: Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of
God which is given to me for you, to fulfill the word of God".
And what is evil in Paul's eyes? : 2 Cor. 13:2-3 "I told you before,
and foretell you, as if I were present, the second time; and being
absent now I write to them which heretofore have sinned, and to all
other, that, if I come again, I will not spare: Since ye seek a proof
of Christ speaking in me".
The Messiah spoke of people like Paul:
Mat 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom
of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
There were violent evil people trying to obliterate the gospel of the
Messiah, and Paul was the most successful among them.
guardian Snow
Your my sister, you know I have a deep respect for the insights you
share with me. I believe you also know that I think:
Isa 14:12 “How you have fallen from the heavens, O Hĕlĕl, son of the
morning! You have been cut down to the ground, you who laid low the
gentiles!
speaks of the false apostle Paul. Read that passage carefully because
you find that he's been defeated already.
I think that entire chapter speaks about Paul. When I first got
started sharing that message is when my whole conflict with Debra
began.. it was a crucial time in my life. I figured out something on
the way... People don't want to know the truth. Your trying to teach
advanced religion to a crowd that is simple minded.
Isa 38:18 “For the grave does not thank You, nor death praise You;
those who go down to the pit do not watch for Your truth. 19 “The
living, the living – he is praising You, as I do this day. A father
makes known Your truth to his children.
People that seek the truth will have it revealed to them, just as it
was revealed to you. In the mean time we have a more important
mission and it's really come down to this thought...
Do we spend all our energy preaching the Bad News in that Christians
have become poisoned by paganism and false teachers or do we spend our
time trying to reach lost souls for יהוה?
The point is that there are those of us who understand that Paul
shouldn't have been canonized in scriptures but the fact still remains
that people ignore the warnings from the prophets, יהושע Messiah and
even Peter. They see it in a different set of eyes but even Peter and
the Messiah did warn us but they did not forbid and seal them.
Joh 6:27 “Do not labour for the food that is perishing, but for the
food that is remaining to everlasting life, which the Son of Aḏam
shall give you, for the Father, Elohim, has set His seal on Him.”
Joh 6:35 And יהושע said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes
to Me shall not get hungry at all, and he who believes in Me shall not
get thirsty at all.
It is our job to give the bread and if we accept that Paul is just a
tool to be used for leading people back to יהושע, it becomes a case of
preaching the Good News and not just vanity to show we are right about
what we know of our evil apostle.
Let me show you an example...
(KJV) Act 14:14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of,
they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
Now the majority of people will read this and believe that the
apostles are Barnabas and Paul. They believe Paul then rebukes these
people for calling him a God.
Act 14:12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius,
because he was the chief speaker.
We both know that Paul wasn't a apostle... So we know that they are
not speaking of Paul renting his clothes. It also goes that Paul did
not rebuke the crowd for saying he was a God. The apostles did... and
thats why we see that Paul got stoned!
Act 14:19 And there came thither certain Jews from Antioch and
Iconium, who persuaded the people, and, having stoned Paul, drew him
out of the city, supposing he had been dead.
He wasn't stoned for rebuking a crowd and being a great Christian.. He
was stoned for claiming to be a God. But here's the point... We can
see that but the vast majority will see that Paul is being martyred
and persecuted..
Now do I spend endless days trying to persuade people that I'm right..
Or do I have confidence in the knowledge given to me and move on to
sharing the Good News of forgiveness of sins and teaching the truth?
Psa 122:6 Pray for the peace of Yerushalayim, Let those who love You
be at rest. 7 Peace be within your walls, Rest in your citadels. 8 For
the sake of my brothers and companions, I say, “Peace be within you.”
9 For the sake of the House of יהוה our Elohim I seek your good.
In the end it comes down to sheer vanity and wrestling to prove what I
know vs. what other people believe and that puts us at a
disadvantage. I still know and understand what it is I'm dealing with
but I also understand that whats more important to me is preaching the
Good News and not spending endless energy on negative issues that only
put me at odds within my own brothers of faith.
It's not a gospel of peace but a recognition that our Father's way
will prevail over all the lies of Lucifer who has been cast down to
the ground!
Shalom,
Snow
Reputation is what men and women think of us; character is what God
and angels know of us.
Thomas Paine
Linda Lee
It's not about Paul. We've already discussed your belief that Paul is
"Lucifer", and I provided scriptures showing that NT references to
Lucifer/Satan/the Devil cannot apply to the man Paul.
You can label it vanity if you want; I label it deception to do
otherwise. We're here to share knowledge, not hide it. This isn't a
popularity contest; it's a debate forum.
And Pauline Christian churches use Paul's writings to dominate the
people who attend their church. You want to help support that? Do you
know how many women stay in dangerous situations trying to follow
Paul's devious dogma? Do you know how many men, women, and children
are led to hell by following Paul? Remember Jim Jones? I'll bet he
preached Paul right before he beat those people, and right before he
killed those 900 people.
>
> Let me show you an example...
>
> (KJV) Act 14:14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of,
> they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
>
> Now the majority of people will read this and believe that the
> apostles are Barnabas and Paul. They believe Paul then rebukes these
> people for calling him a God.
>
> Act 14:12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius,
> because he was the chief speaker.
>
> We both know that Paul wasn't a apostle... So we know that they are
> not speaking of Paul renting his clothes. It also goes that Paul did
> not rebuke the crowd for saying he was a God. The apostles did... and
> thats why we see that Paul got stoned!
Keeping knowledge to yourself is exactly what the rabbis and popes and
priests have done and is the reason why people are led around by the
nose and believe exactly what they've been allowed to know.
>
> Act 14:19 And there came thither certain Jews from Antioch and
> Iconium, who persuaded the people, and, having stoned Paul, drew him
> out of the city, supposing he had been dead.
>
> He wasn't stoned for rebuking a crowd and being a great Christian.. He
> was stoned for claiming to be a God. But here's the point... We can
> see that but the vast majority will see that Paul is being martyred
> and persecuted..
>
> Now do I spend endless days trying to persuade people that I'm right..
> Or do I have confidence in the knowledge given to me and move on to
> sharing the Good News of forgiveness of sins and teaching the truth?
By leading them to believe that you accept Paul and believe he
preached the same gospel as the true apostles of the Messiah? That's
deceptive. But 'if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen',
as the saying goes. People aren't as stupid as you might think and
many will notice if your beliefs seem to vary depending on the beliefs
of whomever it is to whom you're speaking. You can't delete your posts
on Usenet.
>
> Psa 122:6 Pray for the peace of Yerushalayim, Let those who love You
> be at rest. 7 Peace be within your walls, Rest in your citadels. 8 For
> the sake of my brothers and companions, I say, “Peace be within you.”
> 9 For the sake of the House of יהוה our Elohim I seek your good.
>
> In the end it comes down to sheer vanity and wrestling to prove what I
> know vs. what other people believe and that puts us at a
> disadvantage.
So you're on a debate forum, but don't want to debate; you just want
to 'get along' with whomever you're posting to? Don't say "us" because
I don't do anything you're saying. I've been here two years if anyone
wants to check the archives. I'm not going to lead people to believe
something that I don't believe by my silence either, letting them
believe whatever they want about what I think.
> I still know and understand what it is I'm dealing with
> but I also understand that whats more important to me is preaching the
> Good News and not spending endless energy on negative issues that only
> put me at odds within my own brothers of faith.
>
> It's not a gospel of peace
You quoted Paul; is his gospel the Good News? Only Paul called his
gospel a "gospel of peace" (Rom. 10:15 & Eph 6:15). Whatever's "more
important" to you than the truth; go ahead.
> but a recognition that our Father's way
> will prevail over all the lies of Lucifer who has been cast down to
> the ground!
Many people will suffer if they're fed lies mixed with truth.
>
> Shalom,
>
> Snow
>
> Reputation is what men and women think of us; character is what God
> and angels know of us.
> Thomas Paine
I don't believe the gospel of truth can be preached by quoting the
lies of Paul or even by ignoring that Paul preached another gospel
than the Messiah's. That sort of deceptive method of trying to
reconcile good with evil is reminiscent of Paul's own "another gospel"
of "another Jesus" and "another spirit" (II Cor. 11:4).
You cannot serve two masters: Matt. 6:24 the Messiah says, "No man
can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the
other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other".
Paul claims that Christ did not send him to baptize, saying in I Cor.
1:17, “For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel”.
Yet the Messiah **commanded HIS apostles** to baptize people in his
name, saying in Matt. 28:19, “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations,
baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the
Holy Ghost” (Holy Spirit).
If Paul was really an apostle he should have been baptizing any and
all in the manner the Messiah commanded.
And Paul says in I Cor. 1:14-15, "I thank God that I baptized none of
you, but Crispus and Gaius; Lest any should say that I had baptized in
mine own name."
It sounds like he was being accused of baptizing people in the name of
Paul or the name Paul preached - Iesous - especially for his Greek-
speaking Gentile converts, i.e. actually Paul's prisoners since he
admits to lying to them (Rom. 3:7), being crafty and catching them
with guile (II Cor. 12:16 ), threatening not to spare them (II Cor.
13:2), and reminding them he wielded a sword as their minister (Rom.
13:1-5).
Paul lied about never baptizing (except for two people) and baptized
them in the name he preached, which most likely was the Greek name
Iesous and Zeus as 'the father'.
Matt. 3:11 John the Baptist says, “I indeed baptize you with water
unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose
shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy
Ghost, and with fire”.
Paul posed as the one greater than John the Baptist who baptizes with
the Holy Ghost and with fire (who would actually be the resurrected
Messiah) as those Paul allegedly baptized with the Holy Ghost then
“spake with tongues” too, as is reported in the following:
Acts 19:1-7 relates that Paul came upon certain disciples of Yeshua`,
and “He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye
believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether
there be any Holy Ghost. And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye
baptized? And they said, Unto John’s baptism. Then said Paul, John
verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the
people, that they should believe on him which should come after him,
that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in
the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands upon
them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and
prophesied. And all the men were about twelve.”
Paul baptizing people with the Holy Ghost ("about twelve" of them no
less, and not two as he claims elsewhere) is reminiscent of the true
apostles being baptized with the Holy Spirit following the
resurrection of the Messiah:
Act 2:1-4 says, "And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they
[the true apostles] were all with one accord in one place. And
suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind,
and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there
appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon
each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began
to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance."
Anyone could cast out devils in the name of the Messiah, whether they
were followers or not, but some could not cast out devils in the name
Paul preached:
Acts 19:8-9 concerns Paul relating how he preached for three months to
Ephesian disciples in Ephesus whom John had baptized, but when many
didn’t believe him he left, separating the disciples who believed in
him from those who rejected him. After Paul left, some of the Jews
(the sons of Sceva) attempted to exorcise evil spirits from people
using the name that Paul had preached to them, and their exorcism
failed miserably causing the possessed person to attack them.
The fact that the sons of Sceva could not cast out demons in the name
Paul preached is very suspect, as those who cast out demons in the
name of Yeshua` did not even have to be followers of the Messiah.
The name that Paul preached could not have been the name of the
Messiah as people were not able to cast out evil spirits using the
name Paul preached.
It had to have been the Gentile version of the Messiah's name, Iesous
Christos, because people who were not followers or disciples of the
Messiah were able to successfully cast out evil spirits in the name of
the Messiah.
Mark 9:38-40 says, “And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one
casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad
him, because he followeth not us. But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for
there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly
speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is on our part.”
Luke 9:49-50 says the same, “And John answered and said, Master, we
saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he
followeth not with us. And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he
that is not against us is for us.” These unbelievers were able to cast
out demons in the name of Yeshua`. Those who did not follow Yeshua`
were still able to cast out devils using his name, but those who used
the name Paul preached and baptized people with were unable to cast
out devils using the name Paul preached.
Mark 9:38-40 agrees, “And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw
one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we
forbad him, because he followeth not us. But Jesus said, Forbid him
not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can
lightly speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is on our
part.” Luke 9:49-50 says the same, “And John answered and said,
Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him,
because he followeth not with us. And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him
not: for he that is not against us is for us.”
Those who did not follow the Messiah were still able to cast out
devils using his name, but those who used the name Paul preached and
baptized people with were unable to cast out devils using the name
Paul preached.
Linda Lee
>
>
> Reputation is what men and women think of us; character is what God
> and angels know of us.
I just noticed your Thomas Paine quote as I posted my reply, and it
seems to me you care more for your reputation among men than anything
else, and I can't imagine that can help build good character.
bob young
guardian Snow wrote:
> On Jan 27, 8:01 pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Was the Hindu priest down the road 'called' by a god that has the body of a
> > > > woman and the head of an elephant ?
> >
> > you failed to address this one -
>
> I'm sorry Bob, I thought I did address it by explaining that one
> called by Elohim worships in the spirit. So the answer to your
> question is, Yes.
But that god is surely a man made thing.
It is a carving, that the Bible calls a graven image, so the calling of the Hindu
priest must be false,
why not the calling of all priests?
> I know that surprised you but by the way you worded
> your question, it is the answer. The Hindu priest is called by "a
> god" but I do not worship "a god", the religion of scriptures is set
> apart from all the others and is why I worship Χ Χ Χ Χ who is a spirit
> in part.
So you do not subscribe to a god having his son borne of a virgin?
But you quote from a book that indeed has this covered in it.
>
>
> Luk 4:18 β The Spirit of Χ Χ Χ Χ is upon Me,1 because He has anointed Me
> to bring the Good News to the poor. He has sent Me to heal the broken-
> hearted, to proclaim release to the captives and recovery of sight to
> the blind, to send away crushed ones with a release, Footnote: 1Isa.
> 61:1-3.
The 'He' in this verse has to be God
>
>
> So while the Hinda may follow "a god", it is not the Elohim of
> scriptures that he follows or he would worship only in the spirit as I
> pointed out by quoting"
I find that hard to follow
>
>
> > > Joh 4:23 "But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true
> > > worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the
> > > Father also does seek such to worship Him.
From my memory one can select verses from The Bible that will suit or fit any
desire one may have in regard to the faith.
For me there is:
1) Far too much conflict of meaning ibn The Bible
2) The majority of the verses appear to relate to the kind of desires and wishes of
simple folk in going about their daily lives in a kind of early 'free society' in
the sense that they were free from attack and free to go about their daily lives
unhindered.
> HOLY SPIRIT, the third person in the Trinity.
Well which of the above mind boggling list of 'spirit attributes' do we apply to the
Holy one?
IMO the Holy Spirit is simply jargon which cannot be delineated
>
> I have to say Bob, even if you don't believe what I do and have the
> same experience, I really appreciate speaking with you in such a civil
> manner and have a lot of respect for you.
Like you I detest the way some posters insult one another here.
it is usually a sign that they are losing their grip AND the argument !
>
> I truly think that one day you'll come to see things in the same light
> and come to know how much you are loved by Elohim.
The closest I can get is this:
If Elohim is a creation of all good people, past and present
then I am loved by all good people,
a love that I am always happy to reciprocate
>
>
> Joh 6:47 β Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me possesses
> everlasting life.
> Joh 6:48 β I am the bread of life.
But you see my friend, another human said, wrote and created that statement,
so the 'Me' should not to be taken literally
>
> I believe you are being called to the dinner table too. I look forward
> to speaking with you again:)
One hour away from my dinner time
Have a good week
Bob
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
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[snip]
> You can label it vanity if you want; I label it deception to do
> otherwise. We're here to share knowledge, not hide it. This isn't a
> popularity contest; it's a debate forum.
Yes, and it's a debate you lost a long time ago as your scripture twisting
is so ridiculous a third-grader can see through it.
> And Pauline Christian churches use Paul's writings to dominate the
> people who attend their church. You want to help support that?
LOL
If there is a problem in the churches, it's that they are NOT following
Jesus' and Paul's instructions, and expelling heretics FROM the churches, as
directed...
> Do you
> know how many women stay in dangerous situations trying to follow
> Paul's devious dogma?
ANOTHER lie: The very core of the family is being destroyed by the quickie
divorce and political intrusions into the family, where one offense becomes
the basis of separations and the absconding of one's children.
Christ said that Moses had to give the writ of divorce because of the
hardness of people's hearts, as they couldn't let little offenses go, hold
things in and against each other in a steaming pot of discontent.
> Do you know how many men, women, and children
> are led to hell by following Paul?
Ridiculous: If anyone is leading people into hell, it's you, teaching people
to bear false witness in the most ridiculous manner.
> Remember Jim Jones? I'll bet he
> preached Paul right before he beat those people, and right before he
> killed those 900 people.
Jim Jones wasn't the result of Paul's theology--he was the result of modern
dispensationalist dogma.
> Let me show you an example...
>
> (KJV) Act 14:14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of,
> they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
>
> Now the majority of people will read this and believe that the
> apostles are Barnabas and Paul. They believe Paul then rebukes these
> people for calling him a God.
???
The apostles WERE Barnabas and Paul, and Paul DID rebuke these people for
calling them gods.
>
> Act 14:12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius,
> because he was the chief speaker.
>
> We both know that Paul wasn't a apostle...
No, you SAY that Paul wasn't an apostle when there were many apostles
documented in the NT as the first generation turned the office of
apostleship over to the next.
> So we know that they are
> not speaking of Paul renting his clothes.
Anyone with a reading level above the third grade can see that the passage
was about Paul and Barnabas.
> It also goes that Paul did
> not rebuke the crowd for saying he was a God. The apostles did... and
> thats why we see that Paul got stoned!
???
Oh, so now the Apostles were stoning people in violence?
Good Lord, you're lies are getting so twisted now you're contradicting your
own lies with more lies.
> Keeping knowledge to yourself is exactly what the rabbis and popes and
> priests have done and is the reason why people are led around by the
> nose and believe exactly what they've been allowed to know.
Good thing that's not what any of the NT authors did, including Paul.
[snip the rest of the liar's ongoing ludicrous statements]
Ike
Linda Lee
of lies and threats, and the road to Hell.
I will report the Good News that is the gospel of truth of the
Messiah; the way, the truth, and the life.
Linda Lee
Mat 7:13-14 the Messiah says, "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for
wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction,
and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and
narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find
it".
Is Paul's way, followed by millions upon countless millions over the
years, the way that leads to life?
According to the Messiah, that is extremely doubtful because "narrow
is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it".
Matt. 7:15-27 the Messiah says:
"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but
inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or
figs of thistles?
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree
bringeth forth evil fruit.
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree
bring forth good fruit.
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast
into the fire.
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the
kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in
heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied
in thy name and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done
many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me,
ye that work iniquity.
Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I
will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and
beat upon that house; and it fell not; for it was founded upon a
rock.
And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not,
shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the
sand:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and
beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
Who is going to follow the broad way of the sword-wielding ravening
wolf in sheep's clothing that is Paul's gospel that leads to
destruction; and who is going to follow the narrow way of the
Messiah's gospel of truth that leads to eternal life?
guardian Snow
> > I'm sorry Bob, I thought I did address it by explaining that one
> > called by Elohim worships in the spirit. So the answer to your
> > question is, Yes.
>
> But that god is surely a man made thing.
> It is a carving, that the Bible calls a graven image, so the calling of the Hindu
> priest must be false,
> why not the calling of all priests?
Why not... it is possible that I am wrong. All belief systems are
handed down to us whether it be the religion of evolution or
Christianity. Everything we ever learned was either taught to us by
our parents, another person or a book. The question then comes down
to who do you believe and what does your value system have to offer.
I say this because of the fact that what I believe is "religion", and
while you might debate this end with me, evolution is also a religion
and not science, regardless of the propaganda thats mixed into it. It
is an adopted belief system that you take by faith and it can't be
demonstrated in repeated experiments. Evolution is after all a
"theory" and if you except a theory as fact, it becomes a religion.
So in the end the final question is, "Who do you believe?".
All systems of belief have pro's and con's. Many people of faith are
bad examples and have a self righteous attitude that assumes they are
right and you are wrong. I don't make that assumption because I see
that as arrogance and I subscribe to the idea that all efforts must be
approached with humility and respect for our fellow man. It's why I
enjoy speaking with you so earnestly... You have given me the same
respect that I've given to you even if we have different points of
view and to that end, it raises your credibility in my eyes.
I can't just dismiss you as some poor lost heathen. I must except
your rational argument in favor of no Elohim and speak to you as to
why I have the belief system that I've come to except. After all, it
is a belief system and I can't make you see "signs and wonders" that
you haven't opened your eyes to except as miracles.
To that end, I can tell you that personally, I've always believed. I
was fortunate in that I've always had access to a bible and my faith
was developed by my heavenly Father's will. I've seen miracles and so
I must have been blessed at some point that I'm able to be a witness
to the power of Elohim. I think I told you about that before.
> > I know that surprised you but by the way you worded
> > your question, it is the answer. The Hindu priest is called by "a
> > god" but I do not worship "a god", the religion of scriptures is set
> > apart from all the others and is why I worship יהוה who is a spirit
> > in part.
>
> So you do not subscribe to a god having his son borne of a virgin?
> But you quote from a book that indeed has this covered in it.
Actually, I do believe יהושע Messiah (Yeshua/Jesus of Nazareth) was
born of a virgin. I believe the Hindu priest is misled by a false
belief system and I'll tell you why I believe my system is correct.
The bible is almost 75% prophecy. While a great majority of it hasn't
happened yet, a larger majority of it has happened and some of it was
during the 20th century and some of it is taking place now, even as we
speak. One example of this is Israel the country. Here is a nation
that was wiped off the map and obliterated for almost 2000 years and
yet, in a single day (just as prophesied) it was back.
Isa 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things?
Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation
be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her
children.
Consider the fact that Israel is only 13 miles wide at it's widest
stretch and here is a land that is pivotal to all the world. Here are
just a few of the things that have come true...
1. Jerusalem and the Temple would be destroyed.
2. The Jews would be exiled.
3. Israel would become a wasteland.
4. The Jews would be scattered worldwide.
5. The Jews would be persecuted worldwide.
6. The Jews would have a worldwide impact.
7. The Jews, and their national identity, would be preserved.
8. The Jews would return to their ancient homeland.
9. Enemies of the Jews would also reside in their homeland.
10. The Jews would have Israel again as their own country.
# 10 Accurately describes what happened on May 14, 1948 - when the
Jewish nation independence for Israel as a united and sovereign nation
for the first time in 2900 years.
During that same day, the United States issued a statement recognizing
Israel's sovereignty. And, only hours beforehand, a United Nations
mandate expired, ending British control of the land. During a 24-hour
span of time, foreign control of the land of Israel had formally
ceased, and Israel had declared its independence, and its independence
was acknowledged by other nations. Modern Israel literally was born in
a single day.
> > I truly think that one day you'll come to see things in the same light
> > and come to know how much you are loved by Elohim.
>
> The closest I can get is this:
>
> If Elohim is a creation of all good people, past and present
> then I am loved by all good people,
> a love that I am always happy to reciprocate
Thats close but all people are a creation of Elohim good and bad. The
scriptures instructs me in this way...
Mat 5:44 “But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those cursing
you, do good to those hating you, and pray for those insulting you and
persecuting you, 45 so that you become sons of your Father in the
heavens. Because He makes His sun rise on the wicked and on the good,
and sends rain on the righteous and on the unrighteous.
I have come to find a merciful Elohim that loves all of his creation.
People get lost in the idea that the wrath of Elohim is for punishment
rather then correction, just as good parents do when there child
misbehaves. A lot of examples in our family life translate from
scriptures. When you start to see Elohim as your heavenly father, you
come to see that faith in scriptures is an instruction book on life
and not just fables created by men to control you but rather to set
you free...
What your being set free from is a whole other topic and I'll leave
you with all these thoughts and wait to see what your thoughts are
now. As always, I've enjoyed this discussion and I want to impart one
final thought...
"If you teach your children they are animals that come from monkeys,
don't be surprised when they behave like animals and monkeys."
Shalom,
Snow
Beliefs have the power to create and the power to destroy. Human
beings have the awesome ability to take any experience of their lives
and create a meaning that disempowers them or one that can literally
save their lives.
Tony Robbins
Linda Lee
<xeickleberrybo...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Linda Lee" <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote in message
Guardian Snow wrote the following, so why is it falsely attributed to
me by "lyin' Ike"?
> > Let me show you an example...
>
> > (KJV) Act 14:14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of,
> > they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
>
> > Now the majority of people will read this and believe that the
> > apostles are Barnabas and Paul. They believe Paul then rebukes these
> > people for calling him a God.
>
> ???
>
> The apostles WERE Barnabas and Paul, and Paul DID rebuke these people for
> calling them gods.
>
>
>
> > Act 14:12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius,
> > because he was the chief speaker.
>
> > We both know that Paul wasn't a apostle...
>
> No, you SAY that Paul wasn't an apostle when there were many apostles
> documented in the NT as the first generation turned the office of
> apostleship over to the next.
LOL. This hypocritical liar knows I didn't write that.
>
> > So we know that they are
> > not speaking of Paul renting his clothes.
>
> Anyone with a reading level above the third grade can see that the passage
> was about Paul and Barnabas.
>
> > It also goes that Paul did
> > not rebuke the crowd for saying he was a God. The apostles did... and
> > thats why we see that Paul got stoned!
>
> ???
>
> Oh, so now the Apostles were stoning people in violence?
>
> Good Lord, you're lies are getting so twisted now you're contradicting your
> own lies with more lies.
LOL. This hypocritical liar knows I didn't write that.
>
> > Keeping knowledge to yourself is exactly what the rabbis and popes and
> > priests have done and is the reason why people are led around by the
> > nose and believe exactly what they've been allowed to know.
>
> Good thing that's not what any of the NT authors did, including Paul.
>
> [snip the rest of the liar's ongoing ludicrous statements]
"Lyin' Ike' here means the rest of Guardian Snow's post, which he is
deviously attributing to me. He's learned well from the lying false
apostle Paul.
>
> Ike
Guardian Snow wrote this (not me):
"Let me show you an example...
(KJV) Act 14:14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of,
they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
Now the majority of people will read this and believe that the
apostles are Barnabas and Paul. They believe Paul then rebukes these
people for calling him a God.
Act 14:12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius,
because he was the chief speaker.
We both know that Paul wasn't a apostle... So we know that they are
not speaking of Paul renting his clothes. It also goes that Paul did
not rebuke the crowd for saying he was a God. The apostles did... and
thats why we see that Paul got stoned!
Act 14:19 And there came thither certain Jews from Antioch and
Iconium, who persuaded the people, and, having stoned Paul, drew him
out of the city, supposing he had been dead.
He wasn't stoned for rebuking a crowd and being a great Christian.. He
was stoned for claiming to be a God. But here's the point... We can
see that but the vast majority will see that Paul is being martyred
and persecuted."
End quote - from: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.messianic/msg/bcf24a39244f2ba2
Notice that "lyin' Ike" combines Guardian Snow's post with my own (he
replied to my post, not Guardian Snow's reply to me) so that he can
deviously direct his diatribe solely to me.
Pastor Dave
<snowp...@eck.net.au> spake thusly:
>All belief systems are handed down to us whether
>it be the religion of evolution or Christianity.
Which does not speak to their truth or falseness.
>Everything we ever learned was either taught
>to us by our parents, another person or a book.
Or a set of texts. For example, the Bible is not
"a book", but a collection of books and letters.
This makes a big difference, since it is much easier
to dismiss a single writing, than it is to dismiss a
set of writings, spanning 150 or so years, that all
agree on a single theme. And so, I stop the atheist
argument right there and make this point. That is,
if I even bother with them, knowing how dishonest
they are, especially since any atheist who was honest
when he/she said that they could not care less about
a God that they claim doesn't exist, they wouldn't be
in these groups in the first place and yet, many of
them spend their lives trying to disprove what they
claim is not worthy of a minute of their time. And
when this is pointed out, of course they claim that
they are "trying to help mankind". Through usenet?!
Yea, right!!! Bawahahaha!!!
>The question then comes down to who do you
>believe and what does your value system have
>to offer.
Agreed. Except it's "whom". :)
--
"Fantasy abandoned by reason, produces impossible monsters."
- Francis Goya
Linda Lee
> On Jan 28, 2:23 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 27, 12:21 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 28, 4:06 am, Qadosh Stephanos <qadosh.stepha...@yahoo.ca>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > A double hypocrite. Using the words of your own enemies to attract.
> > > > Deceitful beyond scriptures. Shame on you. Treasonous beyond words.
> > > > A double agent of fallen angels. A smooth talker of Paul's Godspel.
> > > > Shame on you.
>
> > > Mat 16:6 And יהושע said to them, “Mind! And beware of the leaven of
> > > the Pharisees and the Sadducees.”
>
> > > Read the scriptures my friend and you will find that I am not afraid
> > > of the truth that sets me free, only the leaven of the Pharisee and I
> > > have the eye to know the difference.
>
> > > 1Ti 6:12 Fight the good fight of the belief, lay hold on everlasting
> > > life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good
> > > confession before many witnesses.
>
> > > Words encouraging us to confess our faith and fight the good fight are
> > > hardly ones I'd be ashamed of.
Paul is talking about his own false gospel he's fighting to maintain;
I don't know how you could consider that fighting the "good fight".
You'll fight for Paul, but not for Messiah.
> > > You are mistaken to think that Paul is
> > > my enemy
Are you surprised anyone, including me, was mistaken about this (that
you recognized Paul as being the enemy of the Messiah's followers and
believers) when it's what you've led us to believe?
> > > and I have found it better to focus on the truth.
Sounds more like you're focusing on Paul's lie which you call "The
Job" to "fight the good fight".
>
> > > Pro 31:21 She is not afraid of snow for her household, For all her
> > > household is dressed in scarlet.
>
> > > The fact is that if all I am doing is preaching a negative message
> > > then I am not keeping true to the spirit of the Good News my friend:
>
> > > Mat 28:19 “Therefore, go and make taught ones of all the nations,
> > > immersing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Set-
> > > apart Spirit,
>
> > > The Job is preaching the Good News, not being afraid of some defeated
> > > enemy.
God didn't give *anyone* "The Job" of perpetuating lies by silence or
by any other means.
> When I first got
> started sharing that message is when my whole conflict with Debra
> began.. it was a crucial time in my life. I figured out something on
> the way... People don't want to know the truth. Your trying to teach
> advanced religion to a crowd that is simple minded.
I don't believe that the crowd of people reading these threads are
"simple minded"; they've been told a lie, which they believed and
which silence perpetuates.
>
> Isa 38:18 “For the grave does not thank You, nor death praise You;
> those who go down to the pit do not watch for Your truth. 19 “The
> living, the living – he is praising You, as I do this day. A father
> makes known Your truth to his children.
As your quote says, someone who loves, like a father, makes known
God's truth to God's children, which is a manner of praising God, but
you've decided you're going to keep quiet about what you believe to be
the truth?
The logical conclusion of what you've decided (which is, don't impress
upon Pauline Christians that you believe Paul to be a false teacher
and false apostle so that you can 'keep the peace', a false peace) is
to hide from the Jewish posters that you believe in the Messiah, and
to hide from atheists that you believe in God so you can be 'at peace'
with them and personally accepted by them.
Most people are here to explain and debate why they believe what they
do. That is honorable, even when they may be wrong. I can respect
people like Suzanne (who ignores the odd aspects of it and accepts
Paul because his writings are in the biblical canon), or Libertarius
(who's an atheist), or Mark T (who doesn't believe the Messiah was God
incarnate) because they honestly believe they are right, although they
know I disagree with them on certain issues. To hide what one believes
is not the purpose of a debate forum like this or other religious
groups on Usenet.
>
> People that seek the truth will have it revealed to them, just as it
> was revealed to you. In the mean time we have a more important
> mission and it's really come down to this thought...
>
> Do we spend all our energy preaching the Bad News in that Christians
> have become poisoned by paganism and false teachers or do we spend our
> time trying to reach lost souls for יהוה?
>
I don't see how you're going to reach any lost souls by appearing
wishy-washy and/or insincere. People can see through platitudes.
> Shalom,
>
> Snow
>
> Reputation is what men and women think of us; character is what God
> and angels know of us.
> Thomas Paine
I wonder what God and the angels think of putting one's own comfort
and reputation ahead of spreading the gospel of truth.
Matt. 11:12 the Messiah says, "And from the days of John the Baptist
guardian Snow
<xeickleberrybo...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > Now the majority of people will read this and believe that the
> > apostles are Barnabas and Paul. They believe Paul then rebukes these
> > people for calling him a God.
> The apostles WERE Barnabas and Paul, and Paul DID rebuke these people for
> calling them gods.
Mr. Eickleberry has just given proof of my point. The book of Acts
gives a much different picture of Barnabas and Paul and rather then
spend my life pointing out the points that are obvious to me, I don't
see the point of spending all my energy wrestling with facts.
Act 9:27 But Barnabas took him, and brought him to the apostles...
Barnabas brought him to the apostles.. not Barnabas was an apostle.
Act 13:1 Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain
prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger,
and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod
the tetrarch, and Saul.
It says here that Barnabas and Saul were "prophets and teachers" of
the church of Antioch, along side Herod the tetrarch.
The question must be asked.. Why did "honorable" people persecute and
expel Paul and Barnabas if they were apostles?
Act 13:50 But the Jews stirred up the devout and honorable women, and
the chief men of the city, and raised persecution against Paul and
Barnabas, and expelled them out of their coasts.
> > Act 14:12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius,
> > because he was the chief speaker.
>
> > We both know that Paul wasn't a apostle...
>
> No, you SAY that Paul wasn't an apostle when there were many apostles
> documented in the NT as the first generation turned the office of
> apostleship over to the next.
>
> > So we know that they are
> > not speaking of Paul renting his clothes.
>
> Anyone with a reading level above the third grade can see that the passage
> was about Paul and Barnabas.
>
> > It also goes that Paul did
> > not rebuke the crowd for saying he was a God. The apostles did... and
> > thats why we see that Paul got stoned!
>
> ???
>
> Oh, so now the Apostles were stoning people in violence?
Act 14:19 And there came thither certain Jews from Antioch and
Iconium, who persuaded the people, and, having stoned Paul, drew him
out of the city, supposing he had been dead.
What the scriptures say is that they were stoned by those of the
Jewish faith. If you read what I said, I stated the Apostles rent
there clothes and made the rebuke. It doesn't actually say who stoned
Paul. Either "Jews of Antioch or the people".
Act 15:22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole
church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul
and Barnabas: namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men
among the brethren:
The first thing we notice is that it "pleased the apostles" to send
"CHOSEN MEN OF THEIR OWN COMPANY" with Paul. So logic says that Paul
was not a chosen man. One of the pivitol verses that describes
Paul's relationship to the church is that one. Paul was to be
escorted on to Antioch. He quickly ditched the escorts and ends up by
himself in Galatia...
Gal 1:22 And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judea which
were in Christ:
So your "Apostle" disregarded what he was told by "the whole church",
ditched his escort and went on to blasphemy against Peter in Galatia
and even to curse him.
------------------
Gal 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars,
perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and
Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the
heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
Now this verse directly conflicts with what we are told in the book of
Acts, as I just pointed out. Paul was sent by the church with an
escort to Antioch, not "unto the heathen" as he claims here.
Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and
said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago
God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear
the word of the gospel, and believe.
Clearly Peter was to teach the gospel to the gentiles. A fact that is
confirmed in Matthew. We know that Paul wasn't one of the twelve but
by his own words:
1Co 15:9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be
called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
We know it was even disputed in those days.
1Co 9:1 Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus
Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord? 2 If I be not an
apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine
apostleship are ye in the Lord.
Doubtless he is to you Mr. Eickleberry and this is my point. We can
agree to disagree and not be insulting but be as Christians and except
that we have different insights into scriptures.
I choose to respect your point of view that he is an apostle to you.
He is to you but not to me and in that we can agree that we see things
differently, it is about mutual respect for each others faith for in
the end only Elohim will have the final word.
Mat 12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every
kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every
city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
We should both agree that what matters more is that we are not divided
over trivial titles but recognize that our faith in יהושע Messiah is
the more important of issues. For us to continue to strive amongst
ourselves only fuels Satan's desire to tear the kingdom apart and
divide us. To this end, I have chosen to drop the issue, having spoke
my own personal belief that we have a different road to the same
straight gate, down the narrow path. I truly hope that your apostle
leads you to the Good News of יהושע Messiah.
I refuse to allow this to become some obsession of ego (Edging God
Out).
With Christian love and respect,
Shalom,
Snow
It is not what we get. But who we become, what we contribute... that
gives meaning to our lives.
Tony Robbins
Another Day
by Peter Gabriel and Kate Bush
Peter:
The kettle's on, the sun has gone another day.
She offers me Tibetan tea on a flower tray.
She's at the door, she wants to score,
She dearly needs to say,
Kate:
I loved you a long time ago, you know,
where the wind's own forget-me-nots blow
but I just couldn't let myself go
not knowing what on earth there was to know.
But I wish that I had,
'cos I'm feeling so sad
that I never had one of your children.
Peter:
And across the room inside a tomb
a chance is waxed and wanes.
The night is young, why are we so hung up
in each others chains.
I must take her, I must make her
while the dove domains
and feel the juice run as she flies
run my winds under her sighs
as the flames of eternity rise
to lick us with the first-born lash of dawn.
Kate:
Oh really my dear
I can't see what we fear
sat here with ourselves in-between us.
Peter:
And at the door we can't say more
than just another day
Kate:
And without a sound
I turn around
and I walk away.
guardian Snow
> On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:01:37 -0800 (PST), guardian Snow
You know, sometimes Dave... You surprise me. Especially when it's your
own words your posting. You are correct to point out several authors
of the scripture.
I do believe that we can reach people for the truth, even on usenet.
Written words carry a lot of weight and the scriptures are just one
example of this and usenet is an extension of that and so in effect we
are writing our witness and "Gospels" here for all of mankind to see.
Thanks for the constructive input.
Shalom,
Snow
Most people have no idea of the giant capacity we can immediately
command when we focus all of our resources on mastering a single area
of our lives.
Tony Robbins
Leave in Silence
Depeche Mode
Ive told myself so many times before
But this time I think I mean it for sure
We have reached a full stop
Nothings gonna save us from the big drop
Reached our natural conclusion
Outlived the illusion
I hate being in these situations
That call for diplomatic relations
If I only knew the answer
Or I thought we had a chance
Or I could stop this
I would stop this thing from spreading like a cancer
What can I say? (I dont want to play) anymore
What can I say? Im heading for the door
I cant stand this emotional violence
Leave in silence
Weve been running around in circles all year
Doing this and that and getting nowhere
This'll be the last time
(I think I said that last time)
If I only had a potion,
Some magical lotion
That could stop this, I would stop this
I would set the wheels in motion
What can I say? (I dont want to play) anymore
What can I say? Im heading for the door
I cant stand this emotional violence
Leave in silence
guardian Snow
> I wonder what God and the angels think of putting one's own comfort
> and reputation ahead of spreading the gospel of truth.
>
> Matt. 11:12 the Messiah says, "And from the days of John the Baptist
> until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent
> take it by force".
On the contrary... what you see as me putting my comfort and
reputation ahead of truth is actually the reverse to me. I see
putting the Good News before my own beliefs and not fueling the
division that already is caused by Paul.
I have stated my opinions and where we disagree is not on whether or
not he is a false apostle but rather... if we should obsess over the
issue to the exclusion of preaching the truth.
Fact: The majority of Christians believe Paul is an apostle of Jesus
Christ and you will not be able to attend any congregation without
hearing him preached.
Jer 9:3 “And they bend their tongue like a bow. Falsehood, and not
truth, prevails on the earth. For they proceed from evil to evil, and
they have not known Me,” declares יהוה.
It's not about making peace with a lie. It's about excepting the fact
that the truth will prevail in the hearts and minds of those who
believe in יהושע Messiah. That regardless of what Paul was he is an
apostle to some and will lead people to the Good News and that will
point them back to the prophets and Moses...
Joh 3:19 “And this is the judgment, that the light has come into the
world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light, for their
works were wicked.
By darkness some will see the light of truth and it is not my job to
strive with the Eickelberry's, Pastor Daves or even Linda Lee's and
run around calling everybody a false prophet. If this was the case
I'd have a long negative list of false prophets and I'd spend the rest
of my life sending emails to all of them...
I tell you it's become a dark obsession of yours that you need to
release and trust in יהושע.
Joh 3:20 “For everyone who is practising evil matters hates the light
and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. 21
“But the one doing the truth comes to the light, so that his works are
clearly seen, that they have been wrought in Elohim.”
Trust that from inside there own darkness they will see the light of
faith and be guided by the set apart spirit of Elohim.
What you see as me sacrificing my virtues, I see as putting aside my
own beliefs so that I can reach out with the truth and like so many
other people on here.. we to disagree on what it is we need to be
preaching.
Joh 3:27 Yoḥanan answered and said, “No man is able to receive any
matter unless it is given to him from the heaven.
Instead of attempting to shove the matter down peoples throats, except
the fact that people aren't ready for the truth and wait patently
until they are. It's the revelation I received a while back that
while a few would have the truth, the majority can't except it.
The fact is that if I was only concerned with "reputation and
comfort"... then I would just say I agree with you and when it comes
to this obsession over a title, I'm telling you it's futile. I
challenge you to examine the fruits of this labor within your own
self.. are you leading people to the Messiah or fueling speculation
that the scriptures are all a lie?
Mat 7:16 “By their fruits you shall know them. Are grapes gathered
from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
Does it bring you joy and comfort to spend your time in endless
debates about the validity of the title of Paul?
Plant a few figs instead of thistles.. spread the Good News and wait
till you believe somebody is ready for those deeper understandings
because what your teaching is advanced theology to grammar school
students as an example.
Ecc 1:2 “Futility! Futility!” says Qoheleth. “Futility, futility, all
is futile!”
Ecc 1:13 And I set my heart to seek and search out by wisdom
concerning all that has been done under the heavens; this evil task
Elohim has given to the sons of man, to be humbled by it. 14 I have
seen all the works that are done under the sun. And see, all was
futile and feeding on wind.
Shalom,
Snow
A round man cannot be expected to fit in a square hole right away. He
must have time to modify his shape.
Mark Twain
Pastor Dave
<snowp...@eck.net.au> spake thusly:
>On Jan 29, 9:36 am, Pastor Dave wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:01:37 -0800 (PST),
>> guardian Snow spake thusly:
Did you mean for this to be an attack? If not,
then just stick to the subject, amen?
And FYI, a lot of what I post is, "my own words".
Most of them you ignored and claimed was,
"too long of a post".
>You are correct to point out several authors
>of the scripture.
>
>I do believe that we can reach people for the truth,
>even on usenet. Written words carry a lot of weight
>and the scriptures are just one example of this and
>usenet is an extension of that and so in effect we
>are writing our witness and "Gospels" here for all
>of mankind to see.
I think you are mistaken. No offense, but while I grant
the occasional "save", I believe that you are deluding
yourself (again, no offense) if you think that these
atheists are here to even care about what you say,
let alone believe it! And that was my point. :)
>Thanks for the constructive input.
You're quite welcome. :)
--
The church does not determine what Scripture teaches;
Scripture determines what the church teaches.
If a tradition or experience is contrary to the
teachings of Scripture, it is not of the Lord.
Reason is a significant authority. But it too,
must be placed under the dominion of Scripture.
In other words, we cannot seek Biblical truths,
while questioning the authority of the Bible.
Pastor Dave
<snowp...@eck.net.au> spake thusly:
P.S.: I meant, "1500 years or so", not "150 years or so".
--
"Don't give up. Moses was once a basket case."
Linda Lee
> On Jan 29, 10:01 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > I wonder what God and the angels think of putting one's own comfort
> > and reputation ahead of spreading the gospel of truth.
>
> > Matt. 11:12 the Messiah says, "And from the days of John the Baptist
> > until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent
> > take it by force".
>
> On the contrary... what you see as me putting my comfort and
> reputation ahead of truth is actually the reverse to me. I see
> putting the Good News before my own beliefs and not fueling the
> division that already is caused by Paul.
>
> I have stated my opinions and where we disagree is not on whether or
> not he is a false apostle but rather... if we should obsess over the
> issue to the exclusion of preaching the truth.
I do not obsess over Paul to the exclusion of preaching the gospel of
truth of the Messiah; in fact, I demonstrate the differences between
what they taught.
>
> Fact: The majority of Christians believe Paul is an apostle of Jesus
> Christ and you will not be able to attend any congregation without
> hearing him preached.
Fact: The majority of Christians have a different view than the
Messiah on almost every biblical subject (angels, obedience, works,
etc. etc.) because they rely on Paul's understanding of such and
ignore what the Messiah taught.
>
> Jer 9:3 “And they bend their tongue like a bow. Falsehood, and not
> truth, prevails on the earth. For they proceed from evil to evil, and
> they have not known Me,” declares יהוה.
That is describing telling the truth, which I do about Paul, not about
hiding a lie and proceeding from evil to evil in professing Pauline
doctrine.
>
> It's not about making peace with a lie. It's about excepting the fact
> that the truth will prevail in the hearts and minds of those who
> believe in יהושע Messiah. That regardless of what Paul was he is an
> apostle to some and will lead people to the Good News and that will
> point them back to the prophets and Moses...
>
> Joh 3:19 “And this is the judgment, that the light has come into the
> world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light, for their
> works were wicked.
You're seeing everything backwards apparently. The Messiah is the
Great Light.
You are saying you're going to promote the darkness of Paul's lie
because people hate the light of the gospel of the Messiah.
This is describing the Messiah (not Paul and his other gospel):
Mat 4:16 The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to
them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.
The Messiah said in 5:15 "Neither do men light a candle, and put it
under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all
that are in the house." But this is what you prefer to do, hide the
light."
In Matt. 10:24-27 the Messiah said, "The disciple is not above his
master, nor the servant above his lord. It is enough for the disciple
that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have
called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they
call them of his household? Fear them not therefore: for there is
nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not
be known. What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and
what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops".
The Messiah said in Matt. 10:27 "What I tell you in darkness, that
speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon
the housetops."
Why don't you want to do that? Because Paul said it wasn't necessary?
Because Paul is accepted? You've made it clear you refuse to obey the
Messiah because Paul's disciples might call you Beelzebub.
> By darkness some will see the light of truth and it is not my job to
> strive with the Eickelberry's, Pastor Daves or even Linda Lee's and
> run around calling everybody a false prophet. If this was the case
> I'd have a long negative list of false prophets and I'd spend the rest
> of my life sending emails to all of them...
Matt. 6:23 the Messiah said, "But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body
shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be
darkness, how great is that darkness!" That is what you're proposing
you prefer to do, turn the light into darkness.
>
> I tell you it's become a dark obsession of yours that you need to
> release and trust in יהושע.
Matt. 16:23 the Messiah said, "Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an
offense unto me: for thou savorest not the things that be of God, but
those that be of men." You've made that very clear.
>
> Joh 3:20 “For everyone who is practising evil matters hates the light
> and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. 21
> “But the one doing the truth comes to the light, so that his works are
> clearly seen, that they have been wrought in Elohim.”
>
> Trust that from inside there own darkness they will see the light of
> faith and be guided by the set apart spirit of Elohim.
>
> What you see as me sacrificing my virtues, I see as putting aside my
> own beliefs so that I can reach out with the truth and like so many
> other people on here.. we to disagree on what it is we need to be
> preaching.
So be it. Preach the darkness.
>
> Joh 3:27 Yoḥanan answered and said, “No man is able to receive any
> matter unless it is given to him from the heaven.
>
> Instead of attempting to shove the matter down peoples throats, except
> the fact that people aren't ready for the truth and wait patently
> until they are.
May I remind you again, this is a debate newsgroup? WHAT are you
doing here if you don't want to debate?
> It's the revelation I received a while back that
> while a few would have the truth, the majority can't except it.
Those like yourself. (And the word is accept; 'except' has a totally
different meaning and you've used 'except' a lot this week.) Your
revelation was from Satan.
>
> The fact is that if I was only concerned with "reputation and
> comfort"... then I would just say I agree with you and when it comes
> to this obsession over a title, I'm telling you it's futile. I
> challenge you to examine the fruits of this labor within your own
> self.. are you leading people to the Messiah or fueling speculation
> that the scriptures are all a lie?
Your preaching Paul makes Christianity look like a lie. The teachings
of the anointed one, the Christ, are not a lie.
>
> Mat 7:16 “By their fruits you shall know them. Are grapes gathered
> from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
Like the thorn in Paul's side?
>
> Does it bring you joy and comfort to spend your time in endless
> debates about the validity of the title of Paul?
No it does not. And again you make it clear your own popularity and
comfort is more important to you than the truth of God.
>
> Plant a few figs instead of thistles.. spread the Good News and wait
> till you believe somebody is ready for those deeper understandings
> because what your teaching is advanced theology to grammar school
> students as an example.
Quit insulting everyone reading this thread; they aren't comparable to
grammar school students.
>
> Ecc 1:2 “Futility! Futility!” says Qoheleth. “Futility, futility, all
> is futile!”
>
> Ecc 1:13 And I set my heart to seek and search out by wisdom
> concerning all that has been done under the heavens; this evil task
> Elohim has given to the sons of man, to be humbled by it. 14 I have
> seen all the works that are done under the sun. And see, all was
> futile and feeding on wind.
All is vanity that is of the world (things like reconciling yourself
with that lovely Pauline doctrine). God's word as preached by the
Messiah is not futility or vanity.
You should have continued reading what the Preacher had to say in
Ecclesiastes through to the ending chapter:
Ecc 12:8 Vanity of vanities, saith the preacher; all is vanity.
Ecc 12:9 And moreover, ****because the preacher was wise, he still
taught the people knowledge;**** yea, he gave good heed, and sought
out, and set in order many proverbs.
Ecc 12:10 The preacher sought to find out acceptable words: and that
which was written was upright, even words of truth.
Ecc 12:11 The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails fastened
by the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd.
Ecc 12:12 And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making
many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the
flesh.
Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God,
and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Ecc 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every
secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
You're being very unwise, and your works will be judged, regardless of
what the false apostle Paul has to say on the matter.
Rev. 21:8 the resurrected Messiah said, "But the fearful, and
unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and
sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the
lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second
death".
Linda Lee
> On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:48:29 -0800 (PST), guardian Snow
That's doubtful that was meant. You're being very civil.
guardian Snow
> On Jan 28, 7:43 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 29, 10:01 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > > I wonder what God and the angels think of putting one's own comfort
> > > and reputation ahead of spreading the gospel of truth.
>
> > > Matt. 11:12 the Messiah says, "And from the days of John the Baptist
> > > until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent
> > > take it by force".
>
> > On the contrary... what you see as me putting my comfort and
> > reputation ahead of truth is actually the reverse to me. I see
> > putting the Good News before my own beliefs and not fueling the
> > division that already is caused by Paul.
>
> > I have stated my opinions and where we disagree is not on whether or
> > not he is a false apostle but rather... if we should obsess over the
> > issue to the exclusion of preaching the truth.
>
> I do not obsess over Paul to the exclusion of preaching the gospel of
> truth of the Messiah; in fact, I demonstrate the differences between
> what they taught.
You obsess and on this point we will agree to disagree but I hope you
understand that I still admire you even if your post are angry and
accusing.
I respect that we have a different vision of things and what you see
as me "preaching Paul" as you say it... is just me quoting the
passages I do agree with.
You can't say that every verse Paul wrote is poison. There is truth
and if I believe it to be true then I feel in my heart that it adds
validity to those who subscribe to his belief. Call me what you
want...
This isn't a debate. It's an explanation of understanding and while we
both agree that many things Paul stated are wrong, as do most modern
people... It's no different then quoting Mark Twain.
Shalom,
Snow
Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest.
Mark Twain
Pink Floyd
The Wall part 3
I don't need no walls around me.
And I don't need no drugs to calm me.
I have seen the writing on the wall.
Don't think I need any thing at all.
No. Don't think I need anything at all.
All in all it was all just the bricks in the wall.
All in all it was all just the bricks in the wall.
Linda Lee
> On Jan 29, 1:19 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 28, 7:43 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 29, 10:01 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > > > I wonder what God and the angels think of putting one's own comfort
> > > > and reputation ahead of spreading the gospel of truth.
>
> > > > Matt. 11:12 the Messiah says, "And from the days of John the Baptist
> > > > until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent
> > > > take it by force".
>
> > > On the contrary... what you see as me putting my comfort and
> > > reputation ahead of truth is actually the reverse to me. I see
> > > putting the Good News before my own beliefs and not fueling the
> > > division that already is caused by Paul.
>
> > > I have stated my opinions and where we disagree is not on whether or
> > > not he is a false apostle but rather... if we should obsess over the
> > > issue to the exclusion of preaching the truth.
>
> > I do not obsess over Paul to the exclusion of preaching the gospel of
> > truth of the Messiah; in fact, I demonstrate the differences between
> > what they taught.
>
> You obsess
That is your opinion and condemnation.
> and on this point we will agree to disagree but I hope you
> understand that I still admire you even if your post are angry and
> accusing.
I don't believe that, and my post was neither angry nor accusing.
Those scriptures I posted applied to what you've decided to do, and if
you noticed, they were all the Messiah's words, which you ironically
accused me of ignoring. I say "ironically" because this most recent
post shows you have chosen to ignore his words, even when they are
pointed out to you.
(It appears you're still operating on what you've learned from Paul in
the past: 1 Cor. 10:33 "Even as I please all men in all things, not
seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be
saved". This fits your explanation very well, but Paul is a liar, and
his gospel, which shifts depending upon the beliefs of the people to
whom he's speaking, will not save anyone.)
>
> I respect that we have a different vision of things and what you see
> as me "preaching Paul" as you say it... is just me quoting the
> passages I do agree with.
That's preaching Paul's gospel and thereby validating all of the words
of the person you just called (see above) a "false apostle".
>
> You can't say that every verse Paul wrote is poison. There is truth
> and if I believe it to be true then I feel in my heart that it adds
> validity to those who subscribe to his belief. Call me what you
> want...
>
> This isn't a debate. It's an explanation of understanding and while we
> both agree that many things Paul stated are wrong, as do most modern
> people... It's no different then quoting Mark Twain.
Mark Twain did not take over the church of God, did he? So I don't see
the analogy.
>
> Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest.
> Mark Twain
You should take Twain's advice in this regard.
You are hiding the enlightenment you've claimed to have gained, and
choose to ignore the wisdom in a book of the Bible you quoted to
support your choice to believe it is futile to expose the truth --
Ecc. 12:8-9 "Vanity of vanities, saith the preacher; all is vanity.
And moreover, ****because the preacher was wise, he still taught the
people knowledge;****
God gave you the revelation that Paul was false, and you soon decided
to cast it away and label revealing it as evil i.e. obsessive and
divisive, when it is Paul's gospel that has divided the church and his
followers who obsessively follow him, and it is Paul's gospel that
prompts many to believe the New Testament is false and leave the
church altogether.
Actually, I thought you were too easily convinced about Paul, sending
me all those e-mails showing how you'd seen the light that he was
false. Now you fear it is causing the followers of Paul to become
upset with you, and you are offended by this.
The Messiah said in Matt. 13:18-21 "Hear ye therefore the parable of
the sower. When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and
understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away
that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by
the way side. But he that received the seed into stony places, the
same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; Yet
hath he not root in himself, but endureth for a while: for when
tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he
is offended."
I'm not going to bother posting any more scripture relating to this; I
don't believe you read it, and see you've already made up your mind.
There's no need for any further discussion on the matter.
Linda Lee
>
> - Show quoted text -
P.S. One more thing: you act as if I would drop the matter of Paul,
the problem would be solved and everyone would be happy. Do you really
think that Paul is not preached to me every day that I post here, even
when the subject is not that Paul is a false apostle? Well, he is, and
I can't agree with his views on any subject because they don't agree
with the Messiah's words. And there are actually many people here (Rob
Strom, Padraic, Diana BB, Qadosh, Debra, Zadok, to name a few more who
do not accept Paul).
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
[snip]
> Guardian Snow wrote the following, so why is it falsely attributed to
> me by "lyin' Ike"?
Hey, idiot: You caused the problem, not me.
It's about time you fixed your newsreader so people don't have to manually
insert quotes.
Ike
Linda Lee
<xeickleberrybo...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "LindaLee" <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote in message
UBHOLY SWINE, fix your own newsreader; no one else is complaining of
any problem. As gatekeeper has just pointed out to you in another
thread, no one else is having a problem, info for which you told him
to 'take a hike'. And this is probably another of your lies and an
excuse to call people idiots at random. The problem is on your end,
per usual.
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
************
Can you even REMEMBER anything in the right order? OR is that Alzheimer's
kicking in?
Ike
Linda Lee
<xeickleberrybo...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Linda Lee" <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
I notice you said you had a heart attack last year; so in case you
haven't heard: emotional problems can cause physical problems and
hatefulness is associated with heart attacks. Think about it. Many a
foul-tempered person has died of a heart attack or stroke while
throwing a hissy fit.
Linda Lee
>
> - Show quoted text -
http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s915243.htm
"Anger trigger to heart disease found?
Peter Lavelle
ABC Science Online
Tuesday, 5 August 2003
"Anger and hostility appear to boost chances of a heart attack
Anger and hostility trigger the production of blood proteins involved
in inflammation, researchers have found - for the first time making a
physiological link between the emotional state and heart disease.
Although associated with a higher risk of heart disease, how anger and
hostility might do this has long been a mystery.
But a paper appearing in the latest issue of the journal,
Psychosomatic Medicine suggests that the emotion triggers the
production of inflammatory proteins which may in turn be causing the
hardening of the arteries known as atherosclerosis, causing heart
disease and stroke.
The protein, interleukin 6 (or IL-6) is much higher in men who are
angry and depressed, according to Associate Professor Edward Suarez of
the Duke University Medical Centre in North Carolina, who led the
study. Previous studies had indicated blood levels of IL-6 were
associated with atherosclerosis - the build-up of fatty deposits in
the lining of the walls of arteries.
Suarez examined the link between depression and hostility and IL-6
levels in 90 healthy, non-smoking men aged 18 to 45. After a blood
sample was taken, the men answered two questionnaires to determine
their level of depressive symptoms and hostility. Suarez took into
account other factors associated with the production of IL-6, such as
age, body weight, cholesterol levels, and blood pressure.
Men who scored highest on both questionnaires, indicating increased
symptoms of depression and higher levels of hostility, had IL-6 levels
that were two to five times higher than men who scored low on both
questionnaires or scored high on only one questionnaire.
The results echo previous research by Suarez and colleagues, which
showed that a protein that is released by immune cells and other
tissues called tumour necrosis factor (TNF) is also higher in men who
are aggressive and hostile. TNF plays a role in directing immune
system cells to the site of an infection or inflammation, and there
are higher than normal levels of TFN in atherosclerosis.
"Over the last 10 years, physicians and researchers have come to
understand that heart disease is really an inflammatory disease
involving injury to the arteries that is caused by a number of
factors, such as smoking, high blood pressure, obesity and high
cholesterol," Suarez said.
But these findings are the first to link psychological states like
depression, anger and hostility, with this inflammatory process, he
said.
Scientistis are increasingly findning evidence that chronic
infections, auto-immune conditions and inflammation work together to
increase the risk of heart disease. On 13 May 2003, the journal
Circulation published a study showing a strong relationship between
the three conditions and heart attack rates in a study of more than
4,000 men in Finland.
After adjusting for age and smoking status, the researchers found that
during more than eight years of follow up, men with persistently
elevated levels of antibodies to the common bacteria, Chlamydia
pneumoniae or human heat-shock protein 60 had about twice the risk of
having a fatal or non-fatal heart attack than those with low levels of
infection.
Suarez's new findings carry a warning for people with aggression and
hostile personality traits: "Men who are hostile and exhibit
depressive symptoms, even in the mild to moderate range, are at
heightened risk for cardiac events," Suarez wrote.
Why hostility and depression raises the levels of markers of
inflammation like IL -6 and TNF isn't understood, he added."
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
*********
Nice try, but Diabetes is also a leading cause of heart disease, too, and
the worse forms of both have been running in my family for GENERATIONS. Two
of my four younger brothers had to have heart surgery before I did, and
three of them were Marines, too.
(The other one went into Army intelligence--we don't talk to him much.)
Ike
Linda Lee
Nice try at what? Talking logically to you? That's a given.
Diabetes also affects the emotions, and hot tempers tend to run in
families, as well, due to environmental and genetic factors.
My point was you're hurting yourself more than those you harass
(especially since heart disease runs in your family) because others
can just avoid reading all of your posts filled with "horseshit",
"bullshit", and various insults, just as I do. When they glance at
your posts and see those things, they probably don't even continue to
read them, as you're subjecting every reader to your abuse, and it's
been proven watching abuse is nearly as stressful as being the object
of it. Other posters suggest killfiling people like you in general,
and you in particular.
But it is your choice; you're just hurting yourself, and judging by
info available on Google Groups, you aren't being at all effective at
convincing anyone of anything you say.
guardian Snow
Hey Bob... Remember I told you about Christians being a poor example?
Prime example. It's a shame when the non-believing "heathen" behaves
better then the scripture preaching Christians. It makes me
wonder... I mean here we have people who preach self righteous
proclamations about having good character but they spend there time
acting like they belong on alt.demons.
Mar 7:20 And He said, "What comes out of a man, that defiles a man.
Mar 7:21 "For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil
reasonings, adulteries, whorings, murders,
Mar 7:22 thefts, greedy desires, wickednesses, deceit, indecency, an
evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness.
Mar 7:23 "All these wicked matters come from within and defile a
man."
See what comes out of these "Christians"... it's behavior like this
thats the number one cause of Atheism. They profess Jesus with there
mouths and a moment later are calling each other every name they think
the scriptures allows.
Shalom,
Snow
Competence, like truth, beauty, and contact lenses, is in the eye of
the beholder. Education is a method whereby one acquires a higher
grade of prejudices. Going to church doesn't make you any more a
Christian than going to the garage makes you a car.
Laurence J. Peter
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Diabetes also...
[snip]
********************
You know what? When your mother has died from diabetes, and your father has
lost his legs, and you can hardly walk yourself, and can't continue your
former career, THEN you can come share your "bits of wisdom" on the subject.
Until then, shut the fuck up: Like most things, you have no idea what you're
talking about...
Ike
Linda Lee
>
> - Show quoted text -
So now you're being nasty and hypocritical at the same time because
you can't convince me to follow your phoney lead and keep silent about
Paul and allow people to somehow be enlightened by Paul's darkness.
I guess it's okay with you that Ike calls me a whore repeatedly since
you've called others here "whore" when you get angry.
You and Ike are both being a prime example right now of the reason the
Messiah gave this advice:
In Matt. 7:6 the Messiah said, "Give not that which is holy unto the
dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them
under their feet, and turn again and rend you."
Since you've posted scripture in this thread that you obviously didn't
understand, since it proved my point rather than yours, I'll explain
the above scripture to you: if you tell some people the truth of the
gospel of the Messiah, they'll ignore the truth, and attack you for
telling them about it so they can continue to follow a lie, and in
your case, preach the lie.
It looks like you're being really helpful to Bob Young by trying to
convince him to remain atheist. You don't really care about the gospel
of truth of the Messiah or about whether anyone is saved, do you?
It is untrue that "By darkness some will see the light of truth" as
you said; I've never heard such unique garbage in my life. Lies and
truth are not compatible. God did not appoint you to preach darkness
to bring people to the light of the truth. But apparently, the Messiah
knew some would teach such error:
Matt. 6:23-24 the Messiah says, "But if thine eye be evil, thy whole
body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee
be darkness, how great is that darkness! No man can serve two masters:
for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will
hold to the one, and despise the other".
And I believe it is you who "preach self righteous proclamations about
having good character" (as you did in the beginning of this thread
with your self-lauding 'prayer' about your 'Job' of preaching that you
claim God has given you ("thank You for calling me to this work")-
amazingly just like the claims of the false apostle Paul. Meanwhile I
don't talk about myself in that manner on these threads or elsewhere.
I post what I believe and what I've seen in the Scriptures - period; I
don't announce God has given me work or a great job to do or pat
myself on the back with public 'prayer', like you do.
Now that you've failed to convince me to quit adhering to the truth of
the Messiah to the exclusion of the gospel of the false apostle Paul,
your true character is coming out in your posts to me. It is you who
belong on alt.demons doing "The Job" of preaching the ministry of
"darkness" to which you claim God has called you.
Don't be a hypocrite or a liar: The Messiah said in Matt. 10:27 "What
Linda Lee
<xeickleberrybo...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Linda Lee" <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote in message
My uncle, whom I helped care for, lost a leg to diabetes and died of a
heart attack. I know what I'm talking about.
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
[snip]
You and Ike are both being a prime example right now of the reason the
Messiah gave this advice:
In Matt. 7:6 the Messiah said, "Give not that which is holy unto the
dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them
under their feet, and turn again and rend you."
[snip]
Hon, you're the pig, not the pearl.
Ike
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
[snip]
> My uncle, whom I helped care for, lost a leg to diabetes and died of a
> heart attack. I know what I'm talking about.
That's nice. Let me know when you've LIVED it, and then you can come share
your "expertise."
Ike
Linda Lee
<xeickleberrybo...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Linda Lee" <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote in message
It's useless to speak with you on this subject as you really don't
understand much of scripture, do you, which is probably the reason you
whore after the false apostle Paul.
The "pearls" are not any people; they are symbolic of wisdom, and this
is where the term "pearls of wisdom" originated.
Linda Lee
<xeickleberrybo...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Linda Lee" <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote in message
And quit calling me "Hon".
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
On Jan 29, 2:52 pm, "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr."
<xeickleberrybo...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Linda Lee" <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote in message
>
> news:74ae6801-9fb4-4c82...@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> [snip]
>
> You and Ike are both being a prime example right now of the reason the
> Messiah gave this advice:
>
> In Matt. 7:6 the Messiah said, "Give not that which is holy unto the
> dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them
> under their feet, and turn again and rend you."
>
> [snip]
>
> Hon, you're the pig, not the pearl.
>
> Ike
It's useless to speak with you on this subject as you really don't
understand much of scripture, do you, which is probably the reason you
whore after the false apostle Paul.
********************
Nonsense: YOU don't know how to read, and can't put two words together at
the same time and arrive at anything even CLOSELY resembling the facts.
In fact, your crazy interpretations of the simplest texts are SO far-fetched
I can't believe you have the audacity to propose them. YOU are a loon of an
amazing sort.
[snip]
Ike
Linda Lee
>
> - Show quoted text -
You're projecting again.
guardian Snow
> So now you're being nasty and hypocritical at the same time because
> you can't convince me to follow your phoney lead and keep silent about
> Paul and allow people to somehow be enlightened by Paul's darkness.
>
> I guess it's okay with you that Ike calls me a whore repeatedly since
> you've called others here "whore" when you get angry.
Are you one? Of course not. So, shake it off. Let it go and find
peace.
Luk 9:5 "And as for those who do not receive you, when you go out of
that city, shake off the dust from your feet as a witness against
them."
Shalom,
Snow
A rooster crows only when it sees the light. Put him in the dark and
he'll never crow. I have seen the light and I'm crowing.
Muhammad Ali
Linda Lee
You won't find any woman, whether she is or not, who takes kindly to
being called a whore, spiritual or otherwise. And Ike uses that term
because he knows it will be offensive; which is evidenced by the fact
that neither he nor any other men on here ever call men, no matter
what their beliefs, whores or 'spiritual whores'.
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
[snip]
> You won't find any woman, whether she is or not, who takes kindly to
> being called a whore, spiritual or otherwise. And Ike uses that term
> because he knows it will be offensive; which is evidenced by the fact
> that neither he nor any other men on here ever call men, no matter
> what their beliefs, whores or 'spiritual whores'.
Another lie.
Ask gatekeeper, pjmutnick, et al.
You just can't stop yourself from bearing false witness, can you?
Ike
Linda Lee
<xeickleberrybo...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Linda Lee" <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote in message
Take a hike, Ike. :-)
Qadosh Stephanos
<xeickleb...@verizon.net> wrote:
>Until then, shut the fuck up:
The lost gospel of our Messiah?
Qadosh Stephanos
<snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>Pink Floyd
>
>The Wall part 3
>
>I don't need no walls around me.
>And I don't need no drugs to calm me.
>I have seen the writing on the wall.
>Don't think I need any thing at all.
>No. Don't think I need anything at all.
>All in all it was all just the bricks in the wall.
>All in all it was all just the bricks in the wall.
The gospel of Pink Floyd?
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
news:f2i7q3tc68l26eeiu...@4ax.com...
No, the redaction of George Carlin.
Ike
Qadosh Stephanos
<lindag...@juno.com> wrote:
>P.S. One more thing: you act as if I would drop the matter of Paul,
>the problem would be solved and everyone would be happy. Do you really
>think that Paul is not preached to me every day that I post here, even
>when the subject is not that Paul is a false apostle? Well, he is, and
>I can't agree with his views on any subject because they don't agree
>with the Messiah's words. And there are actually many people here (Rob
>Strom, Padraic, Diana BB, Qadosh, Debra, Zadok, to name a few more who
>do not accept Paul).
Diana BB (aka Diana B) has returned from Australian willies outback.
There is also "woz", "Peter of Canada", and "Saint Zombie" (aka me).
Fraudulent Paul. Historical hideousness. Subversion is the expected.
Qadosh Stephanos
<xeickleb...@verizon.net> wrote:
>"Qadosh Stephanos" <qadosh.s...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
>news:f2i7q3tc68l26eeiu...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:10:52 GMT, "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr."
>> <xeickleb...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Until then, shut the fuck up:
>>
>> The lost gospel of our Messiah?
>
>No, the redaction of George Carlin.
>
>Ike
>
The redaction of your George Carlin?
The hysterical religion, you got it.
Mr. America. The land of demoncrazy.
Qadosh Stephanos
<snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>On Jan 28, 4:43 am, Qadosh Stephanos <qadosh.stepha...@yahoo.ca>
>wrote:
>
>> You hiding something.
>
>Not at all. Whats important is that I speak the truth. I know that
>I'm accountable for each word I put forward and so I lay it on the
>line as I am guided by the set apart spirit. I've told the truth and
>those who are interested can read my messages on usenet.
You mean like when you quoted Paul to gather your lost sheep?
Qadosh Stephanos
<snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>Clearly Peter was to teach the gospel to the gentiles. A fact that is
>confirmed in Matthew. We know that Paul wasn't one of the twelve but
>by his own words:
>
>1Co 15:9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be
>called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
He wasn't even an Apostle. I mean the 13th Apostle of Acts.
Properly named Book of ACTS. The Gospel was always Gentile.
Qadosh Stephanos
<ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
>P.S.: I meant, "1500 years or so", not "150 years or so".
Been drinking again, eh.
Qadosh Stephanos
<lindag...@juno.com> wrote:
>I wonder what God and the angels think of putting one's own comfort
>and reputation ahead of spreading the gospel of truth
Read your own words.
Qadosh Stephanos
<lindag...@juno.com> wrote:
>On Jan 27, 11:35 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Reputation is what men and women think of us; character is what God
>> and angels know of us.
>> Thomas Paine-
>
>I just noticed your Thomas Paine quote as I posted my reply, and it
>seems to me you care more for your reputation among men than anything
>else, and I can't imagine that can help build good character.
Acts 4:13 (ASV)
Now when they beheld the boldness of Peter and John, and had perceived
that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they
took knowledge of them, that they had ---> been <--- with Jesus.
guardian Snow
> You won't find any woman, whether she is or not, who takes kindly to
> being called a whore, spiritual or otherwise. And Ike uses that term
> because he knows it will be offensive; which is evidenced by the fact
> that neither he nor any other men on here ever call men, no matter
> what their beliefs, whores or 'spiritual whores'.
I can respect what your saying but thats why your better then the
rest. You can shake it off and with the set apart spirit you'll find
the right words to say and not just continuing a cycle of name
calling, labeling and hatred...
Show the world your better then all that and rise above the slime. I
know it's in you and I know you can do it Linda...
Shalom,
Snow
All of us have moments in out lives that test our courage. Taking
children into a house with a white carpet is one of them. Before you
try to keep up with the Joneses, be sure they're not trying to keep up
with you.
Erma Bombeck
guardian Snow
> On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:01:47 -0800 (PST), guardian Snow
>
> >On Jan 28, 4:43 am, Qadosh Stephanos <qadosh.stepha...@yahoo.ca>
> >wrote:
>
> >> You hiding something.
>
> >Not at all. Whats important is that I speak the truth. I know that
> >I'm accountable for each word I put forward and so I lay it on the
> >line as I am guided by the set apart spirit. I've told the truth and
> >those who are interested can read my messages on usenet.
>
> You mean like when you quoted Paul to gather your lost sheep?
Of course. Just like when I quoted Paul and I'll quote him again in
the future too. Just because you live in some fringe world with tin
foil hats singing, O Canada, doesn't mean I subscribe to your
limitations.
I happen to agree with you on the issue of Paul and you know this.
Ultimately this issue comes down to something as simple as a title
that he doesn't deserve. I'm not going to worry about it because the
fact is that Paul did get canonized and his words are now scripture.
I don't think he should have been canonized but thats not going to
change any date soon.
Paul is the most published author in the world in the #1 greatest
selling book of all time. Your going to have to learn to deal with it
Qadosh because the fact is, you can't attend a single church without
hearing Paul quoted. You won't see a single ministry program where
he's not injected in some way shape or form.
You won't be able to fellowship with other Christians and not hear
Paul and thats not going to change. So... the final analysis is do
you stand on the outside of church railing like a mad man or do you
learn to get along and explain the issue from inside?
Fight the good fight of the belief, lay hold on everlasting life, to
which you were also called and have confessed the good confession
before many witnesses.
1Ti 6:12 If I leave off this tiny reference to scriptures then we see
that the statement is still able to stand on it's own merit as being
true. By adding it, it give more credibility to those who do believe
Paul was an apostle.
It's time you stop bickering and start preaching some truth. Share
the Good News and have just a little faith that people will come to
the truth by the set apart spirit.
Shalom,
Snow
A person who doubts himself is like a man who would enlist in the
ranks of his enemies and bear arms agains himself. He makes his
failure certain by himself being the first person to be convinced of
it.
Ambrose Bierce
Debra
You can't preach truth with hypocrisy...and the Scriptures are the
TaNaKH...
Debra
guardian Snow
> > A person who doubts himself is like a man who would enlist in the
> > ranks of his enemies and bear arms agains himself. He makes his
> > failure certain by himself being the first person to be convinced of
> > it.
> > Ambrose Bierce
>
> You can't preach truth with hypocrisy...and the Scriptures are the
> TaNaKH...
Thats only your opinion. You know what they say about opinions...
everybody has one and is entitled to it. Just because your a troller
doesn't mean I'm not going to post to the vast majority of fellow
Christians.
Shalom,
Snow
Debra
No...a few others have told you it is their opinion to...That you
preach with hypocrisy.
Debra
guardian Snow
What you don't seem to except is that unless your secretly killing
witches, homosexuals and adulterers your a hypocrite. That the Torah
can't be kept in modern society is fact. So learn to reconcile what is
taught and you'll understand that we are not in a Torah society and we
have failed to keep it, including you.
Psa 78:10 They did not guard the covenant of Elohim, And they refused
to walk in His Torah,
Psa 78:11 And they forgot His deeds And His wonders which He had shown
them.
Watch what happens besides...
Psa 78:70 And He chose Dawiḏ His servant, And took him from the
sheepfolds;
Psa 78:71 He brought him in from tending the ewes, To shepherd
Yaʽaqoḇ His people, And Yisra’ĕl His inheritance.
Psa 78:72 And he shepherded them According to the integrity of his
heart, And led them by the skill of his hands.
Shalom,
Snow
The way we communicate with others and with ourselves ultimately
determines the quality of our lives.
Tony Robbins
Linda Lee
My allusion to his hypocrisy was regarding his recent ill-advised
decision to attempt to enlighten people with the gospel of truth
through preaching the darkness of Paul's lie while retaining for
himself full knowledge that Paul was a false apostle. (It has nothing
to do with the Tanakh versus the New Testament issue, and I believe
both the Hebrew Scriptures and the New Testament are the Scriptures.)
His decision was allegedly based upon the idea that revealing that
Paul taught a lie was 'divisive' to the church, the Pauline church.
He expects to openly say he believes Paul is a false apostle and then
quote him to support any argument he may be making. He calls this
presenting the darkness of Paul to them to bring them to the
light. !?!
This is an amazing attitude, and I think the Devil has influenced him
this is the right course to take (preach what is known to be a lie to
bring them to the gospel of truth) concerning a revelation God has
given him about Paul. (I notice also that initially he had posted
concerning the paganism in Christianity, but is now silent on the
subject, most likely because he's aware the paganism had to be from
Paul who preached what the Gentiles wanted to hear.) I really think he
thought he might be able to silence me on the subject of Paul by
appealing to me silence or more lies about the lie was the best way.
Lately he has been attacking my character, publicly doubting I am
giving a 'good Christian witness'. In other words, the same thing for
which he'd initially thanked me (my refusal to hide the falsehood
mixed into the truth of Christianity) is now what makes me a 'bad
Christian'.
That is so illogical. The truth of the gospel is WHY 'the gospel'
means 'the good news'.
Snow had initially started his own ministry online (Straight Gate
Ministry), and appears to have the typical 'preacher mentality' i.e.
what the truth is doesn't really matter as long as you have
converts ...to something, anything, as long as it is your group. He
couldn't handle you Debra (a disillusioned former Christian) posting
criticism concerning Christianity and his own attitude on his forum,
so he abandoned it. What it boils down to, is he doesn't really care
what is true, he just wants a large group in consensus with him,
preferably as their leader.
This attitude is remarkably like Paul himself, for instance, Snow's
"Hard Day's Prayer" post in which he lauded himself for how hard he's
working for God, how many are against him, etc., etc., typical Pauline
crap. He was offended when Qadosh pointed out Matthew 6 where the
Messiah criticizes those who pray publicly, especially in this manner,
as hypocritical. His 'prayer' did not direct praise or worship towards
God at all, it pointed out God had appointed him to a particular work,
and how difficult it was for him - in other words - pointed out how
holy he was. (Paul could have included it in his many 'gloryings' over
his own alleged appointment.) Many who post a praise of God do just
that - praise God, they don't point out God has appointed them to do
something and complain about how no matter how hard it is, they're
working in God's service.
I think we're all *supposed to be* working for God, some ignore the
call, and some don't, and many respond sporadically, but the focus
should never be on the person working for God (as the writings of the
real apostles and the self-glorifying writings of the false apostle so
amply demonstrate), the focus should be on the truth of the gospel,
and it shouldn't be mixed with Pauline lies. Lies and truth are not
compatible. Snow says I can't say everything Paul said was "poison",
but Paul's lies, his 'other gospel', had a comprehensive poisonous
effect on the spreading of the true gospel. Those who give Paul the
final say hold different opinions on every subject than those who
follow the Messiah's teachings.
Anyway, I'm just amazed at the turns the Devil can take in trying to
justify the Pauline lie and how people can justify ignoring God's
revelations to them. And what is really amazing is that Snow thinks he
can publicly preach a lie and have no one mention (and prove) that is
what he's decided to do.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing" [i.e. keep quiet on the matter of the Pauline lie] - Edmund
Burke.
Debra
>
> - Show quoted text -
Learn the prophecies...Read them...and when YHWH judges the world
because the world did not have righteous judgement...I am sure the men
will be in pangs like a woman giving birth as the prophecies state...
and Mark...It is "accept"...Which parts do you keep then...The parts
you can?
He will lead them...In truth and righteousness...Never changing
Torah...but promoting it...
Perfectly.
Debra
saint...@hotmail.com
> Learn the prophecies...Read them...and when YHWH judges the world
> because the world did not have righteous judgement...I am sure the men
> will be in pangs like a woman giving birth as the prophecies state...
> and Mark...It is "accept"...Which parts do you keep then...The parts
> you can?
>
> He will lead them...In truth and righteousness...Never changing
> Torah...but promoting it...
> Perfectly.
>
> Debra
Even though prior to this He has done only evil acts like genocide
seven races of Canaanites and even kill a hapless stranger who was
found gathering wood on the Sabbath, still, you want us to believe
that He is all good and will do all good things in the future. That
wouldn't stand up in any court of law.
Linda Lee
> Ministry), and appears to have the typical 'preacher mentality' i.e.
> what the truth is doesn't really matter as long as you have
> converts ...to something, anything, as long as it is your group. He
> couldn't handle you Debra (a disillusioned former Christian) posting
> criticism concerning Christianity and his own attitude on his forum,
> so he abandoned it. What it boils down to, is he doesn't really care
> what is true, he just wants a large group in consensus with him,
> preferably as their leader.
>
> "Hard Day's Prayer" post in which he lauded himself for how hard he's
> working for God, how many are against him, etc., etc., typical Pauline
> crap. He was offended when Qadosh pointed out Matthew 6 where the
> Messiah criticizes those who pray publicly, especially in this manner,
> as hypocritical. His 'prayer' did not direct praise or worship towards
> God at all, it pointed out God had appointed him to a particular work,
> and how difficult it was for him - in other words - pointed out how
> holy he was. (Paul could have included it in his many 'gloryings' over
> his own alleged appointment.) Many who post a praise of God do just
> that - praise God, they don't point out God has appointed them to do
> something and complain about how no matter how hard it is, they're
> working in God's service.
>
> I think we're all *supposed to be* working for God, some ignore the
> call, and some don't, and many respond sporadically, but the focus
> should never be on the person working for God (as the writings of the
> real apostles and the self-glorifying writings of the false apostle so
> amply demonstrate), the focus should be on the truth of the gospel,
> and it shouldn't be mixed with Pauline lies. Lies and truth are not
> but Paul's lies, his 'other gospel', had a comprehensive poisonous
> effect on the spreading of the true gospel. Those who give Paul the
> final say hold different opinions on every subject than those who
> follow the Messiah's teachings.
>
> Anyway, I'm just amazed at the turns the Devil can take in trying to
> justify the Pauline lie and how people can justify ignoring God's
> can publicly preach a lie and have no one mention (and prove) that is
> what he's decided to do.
>
> "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
> nothing" [i.e. keep quiet on the matter of the Pauline lie] - Edmund
> Burke.
P.S. Your statement earlier in this thread: "I figured out something
on the way... People don't want to know the truth. Your trying to
teach advanced religion to a crowd that is simple minded" -- is evil
in so many ways. You ought to rethink the following:
Jer 9:3-6 "And they bend their tongues like their bow for lies: but
they are not valiant for the truth upon the earth; for they proceed
from evil to evil, and they know not me, saith the LORD. Take ye heed
every one of his neighbor, and trust ye not in any brother: for every
brother will utterly supplant, and every neighbor will walk with
slanders. And they will deceive every one his neighbor, and will not
speak the truth: they have taught their tongue to speak lies, and
weary themselves to commit iniquity. Thine habitation is in the midst
of deceit; through deceit they refuse to know me, saith the LORD."
guardian Snow
You know I have a high regard for the great prophets:) I really don't
think you understand context or reaching out in fellowship.
While Paul isn't one of the twelve disciples, none the less he brought
you to the truth. You may feel it's right to burn the bridge that
created the beginning of your journey, I don't.
You keep taking my example in a literal context as if I'm stating that
everybody is stupid and my point was rather that when we post, many
people are just ignorant. I'm sure in contrast a majority of people
who read these post aren't long time scripture students such as
ourselves but rather, unbelievers and people new to the faith. So,
I'm not talking about people who post but rather the silent majority
of people who only read these post.
With respect for what you understand, you are still failing to grasp
why I repeatedly keep quoting this scripture to you:
Mar 9:37 “Whoever receives one of such little children in My Name
receives Me. And whoever receives Me, receives not Me, but the One who
sent Me.”
Mar 9:38 And Yoḥanan said to Him, “Teacher, we saw someone, who does
not follow us, casting out demons in Your Name, and we forbade him
because he does not follow us.”
Mar 9:39 And יהושע said, “Do not forbid him, for no one who works a
miracle in My Name is able to readily speak evil of Me.
Mar 9:40 “For he who is not against us is for us.
Until you understand that this is also directly connected to this
statement:
2Pe 3:14 So then, beloved ones, looking forward to this, do your
utmost to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless,
2Pe 3:15 and reckon the patience of our Master as deliverance, as also
our beloved brother Sha’ul wrote to you, according to the wisdom given
to him,
2Pe 3:16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them concerning these
matters, in which some are hard to understand,1 which those who are
untaught and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do also
the other Scriptures. Footnote: 1See 1 Cor. 11:6.
2Pe 3:17 You, then, beloved ones, being forewarned, watch, lest you
also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the
delusion of the lawless,
2Pe 3:18 but grow in the favour and knowledge of our Master and
Saviour יהושע Messiah. To Him be the esteem both now and to a day that
abides. Amĕn.
You'll never understand me.
Shalom,
Snow
Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of
scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is
already settled.
Michael Crichton
Linda Lee
You are the one who cannot understand context, which you demonstrated
when you posted Jeremiah ("not valiant for the truth upon the earth")
to try to defend how you're going to deliberately preach a lie, a lie
which you want to preach simply because the lie has 'worked' to gather
large numbers of converts to the lie in the past. You are 'reaching
out in fellowship' with a deliberate lie. This is worse than people
who ignorantly preach Paul. And it is not fellowship; deliberately
converting the truth into a lie to gain yourself some 'fellowship' is
just a manipulation.
>
> While Paul isn't one of the twelve disciples, none the less he brought
> you to the truth.
Quit lying. Who ever said that? I never said that. What makes you make
such a false allegation? I've posted I always thought Paul's writings
were oddly different than the rest of the New Testament (and strange
in comparison), and it was only the naive idea that the church would
not dare lie for any self-serving reason that kept me from the truth
for so long. In other words I was lied to, and it worked in a way for
a time. It is well-known that the Roman Catholic Church (RCC) decided
what writings would be canonized, and it is well-known that the RCC
wielded power over much of the world. Why can't people logically see
the RCC canonized Paul's writings for their own purposes - because
what he said could be used to abuse and control people? Many when they
realize there's a lie in the Scriptures decide none of the Scriptures
can be trusted. Noticing Paul's bizarre version of the gospel has
caused many to abandon Christianity forever, and the answer is to
remove Paul's writings from the canon, not cover up his lies with more
lies.
> You may feel it's right to burn the bridge that
> created the beginning of your journey, I don't.
You're out of your mind. Or just lying for Paul again. I've never said
anything that would give you cause to tell such outright lies. Paul
did not begin any journey for me.
>
> You keep taking my example in a literal context as if I'm stating that
> everybody is stupid and my point was rather that when we post, many
> people are just ignorant.
You said this is "a crowd that is simple minded". So you've decided it
would be best to lie to them.
> I'm sure in contrast a majority of people
> who read these post aren't long time scripture students such as
> ourselves but rather, unbelievers and people new to the faith.
And they're not going to hear your lies unchallenged here. The only
thing that's kept Paul going as long as he has is people like you with
the attitude Paul's lie is working so well on the Gentiles, let's just
continue that way. I haven't seen much evidence you're a 'long time
scripture student' either; you glance at a verse and jump to really
odd conclusions, like your idea that "Lucifer" in Isaiah chapter 14 is
a prophecy of Paul, a really ludicrous idea - where did Paul ever
fulfill anything there attributed to Lucifer? He didn't.
> So,
> I'm not talking about people who post but rather the silent majority
> of people who only read these post.
The readers are the "simple minded"?
>
> With respect for what you understand, you are still failing to grasp
> why I repeatedly keep quoting this scripture to you:
(I see what you're doing - pretending you've been telling me this for
some time. You really want exposed as a phoney, don't you?)
>
> Mar 9:37 “Whoever receives one of such little children in My Name
> receives Me. And whoever receives Me, receives not Me, but the One who
> sent Me.”
> Mar 9:38 And Yoḥanan said to Him, “Teacher, we saw someone, who does
> not follow us, casting out demons in Your Name, and we forbade him
> because he does not follow us.”
> Mar 9:39 And יהושע said, “Do not forbid him, for no one who works a
> miracle in My Name is able to readily speak evil of Me.
> Mar 9:40 “For he who is not against us is for us.
You don't keep repeatedly quoting that scripture to me; in fact, that
is the second time I've seen it from you, and the first time was in
relation to the name of Yeshua` and had nothing to do with Paul.
Either post the link to these repeated posts concerning Mark 9 to me,
or we'll just accept this is another one of your phony maneuvers.
However, I posted it TO YOU in this post:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.bible/msg/b829dedeb48ec1ae
where I wrote:
> Acts 19:8-9 continues with Paul relating how he preached for three
> months to Ephesian disciples in Ephesus whom John had baptized, but
> when many didn’t believe him he left separating the disciples who
> believed in him from those who rejected him. After Paul left, some of
> the Jews [the sons of Sceva] attempted to exorcise evil spirits from people using the name
> that Paul had preached, and their exorcism failed miserably causing
> the possessed person to attack them.
> The name that Paul preached could not have been the name of Yeshua` as
> people were not able to cast out evil spirits using the name he
> preached.
> The name that Paul preached could not have been the name of Yeshua`.
> It had to have been the Gentile version of Yeshua`’s name, Iesous
> Christos, because people who were not followers or disciples of
> Yeshua` were able to successfully cast out evil spirits in the name of
> Yeshua`.
> Mark 9:38-40 says, “And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one
> casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad
> him, because he followeth not us. But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for
> there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly
> speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is on our part.”
What does Mark 9 have to do with accepting the false apostle Paul
anyway? You are taking out of context "he that is not against us is on
our part" to try to justify preaching the lie of Paul, and you're just
proving the point that Paul taught "another gospel", "another spirit",
and "another Jesus" than the real apostles. Those who attempted to
cast out evil spirits in the name Paul preached could not do so, and
why not -- if it was the same name Mark 9 is saying anyone, follower
or not, can use to cast out evil spirits?
>
> Until you understand that this is also directly connected to this
> statement:
>
> 2Pe 3:14 So then, beloved ones, looking forward to this, do your
> utmost to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless,
> 2Pe 3:15 and reckon the patience of our Master as deliverance, as also
> our beloved brother Sha’ul wrote to you, according to the wisdom given
> to him,
> 2Pe 3:16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them concerning these
> matters, in which some are hard to understand,1 which those who are
> untaught and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do also
> the other Scriptures. Footnote: 1See 1 Cor. 11:6.
> 2Pe 3:17 You, then, beloved ones, being forewarned, watch, lest you
> also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the
> delusion of the lawless,
> 2Pe 3:18 but grow in the favour and knowledge of our Master and
> Saviour יהושע Messiah. To Him be the esteem both now and to a day that
> abides. Amĕn.
>
> You'll never understand me.
I understand you. You're either so simple minded you can't quite
comprehend the truth or so phony you think preaching the established
lie is just easier. The Messiah could not possibly approve of your
methods.
And you've been repeatedly told that no scholars believe II Peter was
written by Peter, so what is your point of posting this, other than
you prefer anything to the real scriptures?
>
> Shalom,
>
> Snow
>
> Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of
> scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is
> already settled.
> Michael Crichton
You post the oddest quotes sometimes. Michael Crichton could have been
talking about Pauline Christianity and you as the scoundrel who claims
that the matter of debate about whether Paul preached a different
gospel than the true apostles has already been settled. It has never
been settled, and that is why Luke reported that Paul was accused
during his 'ministry' of many foul deeds, of preaching against the
law, of preaching one thing to Gentiles and another to Jews, of
arguing over words and names with Jews, etc., etc.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing" [i.e. keep quiet on the matter of the Pauline lie] - Edmund
Burke.
Keep doing your part to help evil triumph by continuing to preach that
Pauline lie.
guardian Snow
> And they're not going to hear your lies unchallenged here. The only
> thing that's kept Paul going as long as he has is people like you with
> the attitude Paul's lie is working so well on the Gentiles, let's just
> continue that way. I haven't seen much evidence you're a 'long time
> scripture student' either; you glance at a verse and jump to really
> odd conclusions, like your idea that "Lucifer" in Isaiah chapter 14 is
> a prophecy of Paul, a really ludicrous idea - where did Paul ever
> fulfill anything there attributed to Lucifer? He
It's pointless having a discussion with you because all you know to
do is attack and call people names. Anybody that doesn't agree with
you is the devil and a liar.
Shalom,
Snow
A usurper always distrusts the whole world.
Vittorio Alfieri
Linda Lee
You've stated in this thread you're going to preach Paul while
acknowledging 'privately' that he is a false apostle, and lied
repeatedly about my own beliefs and you complain that you're called on
lying. Wow. Don't you realize your decision is in writing? I guess all
you know how to do is preach Paul whether you 'believe in' him or not.
Congratulations. You've won the prize as the most illogical deluded
person I've ever conversed with on the Internet.
And quit lying that Paul began any "journey" for me or 'brought me any
truth'. I began as the Messiah's follower, which is probably why I
never fell in love with Paul. It is you who began as Paul's follower
and remain the same. You have no truth, and you're on the path to
destruction until you realize lies never bring one to the truth.
After re-reading my post to you, I see why you didn't answer it, for
one, you have no links to any prior posts made to me concerning Paul
and Mark chapter 9, which you falsely claimed, and you have no good
answer to anything else said in the post.
This first quote particularly applies to your decision to preach the
words of Paul - a man you call a false apostle:
"Deal with the Devil if the Devil has a constituency - and don't
complain about the heat" - C. J. Cherryh
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing" [i.e. keep quiet on the matter of the Pauline lie] - Edmund
Burke.
"Neutral men are the devil's allies" - Edwin Hubbel Chapin
"Here is true immorality: ignorance and stupidity; the devil is
nothing but this. His name is Legion" - Gustave Flaubert
"The devil is compromise" - Henrik Ibsen
"Be good. Do good. The devil wields no power over a good man" - Harry
Segall
"A lie which is half a truth is ever the blackest of lies" - Alfred
Lord Tennyson
"Gradually I came to realize that people will more readily swallow
lies than truth, as if the taste of lies was homey, appetizing: a
habit" - Martha Gellhorn
"I figured out something on the way... People don't want to know the
truth. Your trying to teach advanced religion to a crowd that is
simple minded" - guardian Snow
Qadosh Stephanos
<snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>It's pointless having a discussion with you because all you know to
>do is attack and call people names. Anybody that doesn't agree with
>you is the devil and a liar.
The Messiah never attacked anybody. He didn't call people names. ;-)
Matthew 3:7-9 (ASV)
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his
baptism, he said unto them, Ye offspring of vipers, who warned you to
flee from the wrath to come? Bring forth therefore fruit worthy of
repentance: and think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to
our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to
raise up children unto Abraham.
I guess "Vipers" is not name calling, unless it's a hockey team. ;-)
Matthew 23:15 (ASV)
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea
and land to make one proselyte; and when he is become so, ye make him
twofold more a son of hell than yourselves.
Follow me said Messiah many times. Being as Messiah.
Emotions are of the flesh. Love is not of the flesh.
Love is commandments, it ain't emotional sensuality.
Actually, you are the one who preaches a censorship.
Selectively harboring your opponents for censorship.
Hypocritical and two-faced disgracefulness of shame.
Linda Lee
> On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 01:52:20 -0800 (PST), guardian Snow
>
He views everything backwards. Telling them the truth is love.
Preaching the Pauline lie is not love.
Qadosh Stephanos
<lindag...@juno.com> wrote:
>He views everything backwards. Telling them the truth is love.
>Preaching the Pauline lie is not love.
Quit right sister, the people in darkness, babble about nothing.
The Truth is freedom. Love is a commandant. Love is not sensual.
Love is received by God. It doesn't carry any of Paul's baggage.
Linda Lee
wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 06:46:53 -0800 (PST), Linda Lee
>
> >He views everything backwards. Telling them the truth is love.
> >Preaching the Pauline lie is not love.
>
> Quit right sister, the people in darkness, babble about nothing.
>
> The Truth is freedom. Love is a commandant. Love is not sensual.
>
> Love is received by God. It doesn't carry any of Paul's baggage.
Can you imagine the shame of having to admit on Judgment Day they'd
decided to follow the words of Paul rather than the words of the
Messiah?
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's
clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of
thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a
corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a
corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down,
and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter
into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father
which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not
prophesied in thy name and in thy name have cast out devils? and in
thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart
from me, ye that work iniquity.
Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth
them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a
rock:
Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds
blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not; for it was founded
upon a rock.
Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth
them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house
upon the sand:
Mat 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds
blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of
it.
Qadosh Stephanos
<lindag...@juno.com> wrote:
>On Feb 9, 10:10 am, Qadosh Stephanos <qadosh.stepha...@yahoo.ca>
>wrote:
>> On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 06:46:53 -0800 (PST), Linda Lee
>>
>> <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>> >He views everything backwards. Telling them the truth is love.
>> >Preaching the Pauline lie is not love.
>>
>> Quit right sister, the people in darkness, babble about nothing.
>>
>> The Truth is freedom. Love is a commandant. Love is not sensual.
>>
>> Love is received by God. It doesn't carry any of Paul's baggage.
>
>Can you imagine the shame of having to admit on Judgment Day they'd
>decided to follow the words of Paul rather than the words of the
>Messiah?
>
>Mat 7:15-27
I'm not sure who will be judged, but I am sure the people of Paul
represent in some manner or another, the anti-Christ's which are
under the authority of the rulers of this present physical world.
I will be specific in a public forum. The weather isn't favorable.
guardian Snow
\
> > A usurper always distrusts the whole world.
> > Vittorio Alfieri
>
> You've stated in this thread you're going to preach Paul while
> acknowledging 'privately' that he is a false apostle, and lied
> repeatedly about my own beliefs and you complain that you're called on
> lying. Wow. Don't you realize your decision is in writing? I guess all
> you know how to do is preach Paul whether you 'believe in' him or not.
> Congratulations. You've won the prize as the most illogical deluded
> person I've ever conversed with on the Internet.
I choose to move on to other topics of interest and not obsess over
whether or not Paul deserved the title Apostle. You on the other
hand.. I've never seen you talk about anything else.
You never have a kind word unless somebody agrees with you. You have
no interest in Christian fellowship or making peace with people of
faith. What I understand is this:
Mat 7:1 “Do not judge, lest you be judged.
Mat 7:2 “For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged. And
with the same measure you use, it shall be measured to you.
Mat 7:3 “And why do you look at the splinter in your brother’s eye,
but do not notice the plank in your own eye?
By the standard that you judge others, you will be judged. I don't
care to be judged, I choose to except the grace of the Good News of
יהושע Messiah. Instead of spending all your time being critical of
others, try actually helping somebody.
Shalom,
Snow
A failure is not always a mistake, it may simply be the best one can
do under the circumstances. The real mistake is to stop trying.
B. F. Skinner
Linda Lee
Who would want to 'fellowship' with someone who deliberately preaches
a lie? Your idea of 'fellowship' is manipulation. And it's laughable
now that you thanked me for 'helping you' when you first heard about
Paul from me.
The subject of Paul often comes up here because people quote him like
he's God, but your lame idea that I never 'talk about' anything else
concerning the scriptures is refuted by the fact that my book
contained only 16 pages in a chapter on Paul who is not quoted nor
mentioned elsewhere in the book. Amazingly, the message the Messiah
put forth in the Scriptures can be explained without Paul's words ever
being used.
Since you are now criticizing me for exposing the Pauline lie and
trying to get me to preach the Pauline lie with you, you will see your
hypocrisy in your own words.
Here are some things you've said in the past few months (perhaps you
will listen to yourself that Paul caused the division and the division
is not caused by those who recognize that Paul was false):
guardian Snow wrote to Gatekeeper concerning Paul:
"Just like your false Messiah trying to create division
brother ...Paul is dead now and it's time that brothers of higher
understanding realize the truth and in that manner they can preach the
true gospel to the entire world and begin to establish the kingdom of
Yeshua the Messiah".
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.bible.prophecy/msg/439a75787ac9c946
guardian Snow wrote to Read the Bible:
"Yeshua taught over and over, keep the Commandments. You ignore his
teachings and preach Paul instead of his words. Now I find it
interesting that when I consider Paul to be in fact Lucifer, you would
waste a moment telling me what he says when I already wasted 20 years
reading his garbage."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.bible.prophecy/msg/871300e2fa154a6b
guardian Snow wrote to Vince Garcia:
"So, Maybe I am corrupting "Christianity" but since I know that Paul
is in fact the Whore of Babylon and in fact the Cross is the mark of
the beast, not numbers...Christian need to reject the false teachings
and "come out of her"!"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.bible.prophecy/msg/fff009bd637a70b6
guardian Snow wrote to Gatekeeper:
"Paul is Lucifer but until you understand that poison was mixed in
with truth and confusion ...He's a stumbling stone, not a road block!
Don't fall in it. Father in heaven, I pray that good men read your
words and understand the truth."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.bible.prophecy/msg/ed95d15e360a1a75
I pray that you will read your own words and have the courage to stand
by your convictions. Come out of her, Snow.
guardian Snow
People change like opinions. Thanks for quoting all those post. Some
good quotes huh? He is a stumbling block that may cause people to get
tripped up but the fact still remains that Paul's writings have in
fact changed over the years. Context is the part of understanding and
seeing things from outside of our own narrow point of view.
Shalom,
Snow
I did not direct my life. I didn't design it. I never made decisions.
Things always came up and made them for me. That's what life is.
B. F. Skinner
Linda Lee
Actually, your words were accurate, as you choose to except the words
of the Messiah and accept the words of Paul.
American Heritage Dictionary - ex·cept
prep. With the exclusion of; other than; but: everyone except me.
conj.
If it were not for the fact that; only. Often used with that: I would
buy the suit, except that it costs too much.
Otherwise than: They didn't open their mouths except to complain.
Unless: "And ne'er throughout the year to church thou go'st/Except it
be to pray against thy foes" (Shakespeare).
v. ex·cept·ed, ex·cept·ing, ex·cepts
v. tr.
To leave out; exclude: An admission fee is charged, but children are
excepted.
v. intr.
To object: Counsel excepted to the court's ruling.
[Middle English, from Latin exceptus, past participle of excipere, to
exclude : ex-, ex- + capere, to take; see kap- in Indo-European
roots.]
American Heritage Dictionary - ac·cept
v. ac·cept·ed, ac·cept·ing, ac·cepts
v. tr.
To answer affirmatively: accept an invitation.
To agree to take (a duty or responsibility).
To regard as proper, usual, or right: Such customs are widely
accepted.
To regard as true; believe in: Scientists have accepted the new
theory.
To understand as having a specific meaning.
To receive (something offered), especially with gladness or approval:
accepted a glass of water; accepted their contract.
To admit to a group, organization, or place: accepted me as a new
member of the club.
To regard as proper, usual, or right: Such customs are widely
accepted.
To regard as true; believe in: Scientists have accepted the new
theory.
To understand as having a specific meaning.
To endure resignedly or patiently: accept one's fate.
To be able to hold (something applied or inserted): This wood will not
accept oil paints.
To receive officially: accept the committee's report.
To consent to pay, as by a signed agreement.
Medicine To receive (a transplanted organ or tissue) without
immunological rejection.
v. intr.
To receive something, especially with favor. Often used with of.
[Middle English accepten, from Latin acceptāre, frequentative of
accipere, to receive : ad-, ad- + capere, to take; see kap- in Indo-
European roots.]
guardian Snow
wrote:
Everybody will be judged my friend but by what standard we are judged
is really up to us.
Mat 7:2 “For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged. And
with the same measure you use, it shall be measured to you.
What you, me and Linda see is historically what what meant and not
what people read and see today. Perspective from outside of the
narrow looking glass is needed to understand.
Isa 64:8 And now, O יהוה, You are our Father. We are the clay, and You
our potter. And we are all the work of Your hand.
Isa 64:9 Do not be wroth, O יהוה, nor remember crookedness forever.
See, please look, all of us are Your people!
What do you make of it?
Shalom,
Snow
Deficiency motivation doesn't work. It will lead to a life-long
pursuit of try to fix me. Learn to appreciate what you have and where
and who you are.
Wayne Dye
guardian Snow
Always looking to find fault in others... good job, you are correct
and I made a mistake in syntax. Accept... Not except... got it. You
are very good at finding faults in everybody else.
Shalom,
Snow
Mat 7:5 “Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then
you shall see clearly to remove the splinter out of your brother’s
eye.
It makes no sense to worry about things you have no control over
because there's nothing you can do about them, and why worry about
things you do control? The activity of worrying keeps you immobilized.
Wayne Dyer
Linda Lee
You are inaccurate. Paul is not the "stumbling block"; according to
Peter, the Messiah is the stumbling block i.e. "stone of stumbling".
1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I
lay in Zion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that
believeth on him shall not be confounded.
1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto
them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed,
the same is made the head of the corner,
1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense, even to them
which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were
appointed.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy
nation, a peculiar people; that ye should show forth the praises of
him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light:
It's appalling that some of the inaccurate things you've said about
Paul (like this claim he's the "stumbling block" and your delusion
that Paul is "Lucifer") lead even me to 'defend' him.
Quit looking back to your former foolish allegiance to Paul.
Luke 9:62 "And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to
the plow, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God."
Prov. 26:11-12 "As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth
to his folly. Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more
hope of a fool than of him."
Mat 7:21 the Messiah says, "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord,
Linda Lee
You did not use improper syntax, you used an antonym (a word with an
opposite meaning) - repeatedly.
American Heritage Dictionary - syn·tax n.
The study of the rules whereby words or other elements of sentence
structure are combined to form grammatical sentences.
A publication, such as a book, that presents such rules.
The pattern of formation of sentences or phrases in a language.
Such a pattern in a particular sentence or discourse.
Computer Science The rules governing the formation of statements in a
programming language.
A systematic, orderly arrangement.
[French syntaxe, from Late Latin syntaxis, from Greek suntaxis, from
suntassein, to put in order : sun-, syn- + tassein, tag-, to
arrange.]
The difference between the words 'accept' and 'except' have been
pointed out to you several times. If you prefer to state things
backwards without correction, so be it, continue on, but it's not
'finding fault' in you to point out a repeated error. Initially, I
just thought you'd made a mistake, but when you repeatedly used
'except' for 'accept', it finally became clear you didn't know the
meaning of except.
Linda Lee
Really -- what are you doing on a debate forum if you feel any
disagreement or correction is judging you and finding fault in you?
And all the while you hypocritically judge me and find fault with me
because I won't join you in your fluctuating beliefs. I have firm
beliefs, whereas you admit to having just read the book of Acts in the
last few months. Since you've not yet read the scriptures, it is no
wonder your beliefs are so changeable.
Do I also have to post your previous posts showing your condemnation
and judgment of others? As I recall, you recently (a couple of weeks
ago) tried to get everyone to join together to evict Pastor Dave from
these public newsgroups, and if that is not judging I don't know what
is. Yes, I think Pastor Dave is in error, but so are many on here,
including you, and as this is a public newsgroup you can't do your
little exclusionary churchie thing and kick people out who annoy you
or disagree with you.
guardian Snow
I hope you didn't think this was a debate:)) I mean that would mean
that both of us were talking about the same topic. What seems to be
lost on you is that; Your ranting about your obsession.
I find you unable to show love and see you as a person filled with
wickedness and darkness. You think your on some holy crusade but I
don't see it that way...
I see a bitter, anger person that is filled with vile and attacking
every silly little idea you can dredge up. Do you really see your
work as being the fruit of Christian love? Sad..
Shalom,
Snow
Our attitudes control our lives. Attitudes are a secret power working
twenty-four hours a day, for good or bad. It is of paramount
importance that we know how to harness and control this great force.
Irving Berlin
Qadosh Stephanos
<snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>Everybody will be judged my friend
First of all, you are not my friend. I don't even know who you are.
John 3:18 (ASV)
He that believeth on him is not judged: he that believeth not hath
been judged already, because he hath not believed on the name of the
only begotten Son of God.
Paul is the guy that said you will be judged. I don't follow Paul.
Qadosh Stephanos
<snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>Always looking to find fault in others
It's not finding faults, it's finding your lies.
That enlarged pinocchio nose means you are lair.
Then it's your snake breathe. It too smells bad.
Linda Lee
You don't comment on anything like your erroneous belief Paul was the
stumbling block when Peter wrote that the Messiah was the "stumbling
stone", and ignore your own words I've quoted, so no, it hasn't been a
debate, as your position is indefensible and your errors irrefutable.
What seems to be lost on you is that I'm not going to follow your
hypocritical lead in preaching the Pauline lie (while at the same time
you acknowledge Paul was a false apostle) no matter how many times you
call the truth about Paul an obsession with me. If it isn't a wicked
deceived idea to believe as you now do that the darkness of the
Pauline lie enlightens people, I don't know what is.
Since you're offering your opinion of me, let me return the favor. I
see you as an ignorant illogical phony person with no backbone whose
idea of love is to lie to people and who sees anyone who disagrees
with you and won't do as you say as completely evil. You never left
Paul; you're his true disciple, modeling yourself after him (as this
idea of yours wholly agrees with Paul's idea that his admitted "lie"
leads people to whatever god he worshiped, so he believes it is
good).
III John 1:3-4 "For I rejoiced greatly, when the brethren came and
testified of the truth that is in thee, even as thou walkest in the
truth. I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in
truth".
You are not walking in the truth. It is an expression of love to tell
people the truth.
John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we
beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,)
full of grace and truth."
John 4:23 -24 - "But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true
worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the
Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that
worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."
Paul's lie does not lead to the truth: 1 John 2:21 "no lie is of the
truth".
James 1:18 "Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that
we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures." Paul's lies
don't produce anything for the Messiah.
John 3:21 "But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his
deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God."
There's no guarantee the Pauline lie will lead to salvation and
freedom: John 8:32 the Messiah says, "And ye shall know the truth, and
the truth shall make you free."
Do you really want to be like this because this is what preaching a
lie rather than truth leads to -- choosing to become a child of the
Devil: John 8:44 "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of
your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and
abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he
speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the
father of it."
I'd post more of the Messiah's and apostles' words concerning truth to
you, but they go right over your head. You have no concept of the
gospel of truth whatsoever.
By the way, since you thanked me in the past - you're welcome for the
information about Paul.
John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the
life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
guardian Snow
wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 22:09:29 -0800 (PST), guardian Snow
>
> >Everybody will be judged my friend
>
> First of all, you are not my friend. I don't even know who you are.
Then I suppose it's good to know who my enemies are.
> John 3:18 (ASV)
>
> He that believeth on him is not judged: he that believeth not hath
> been judged already, because he hath not believed on the name of the
> only begotten Son of God.
>
> Paul is the guy that said you will be judged. I don't follow Paul.
Psa 96:13 At the presence of יהוה. For He shall come, For He shall
come to judge the earth. He judges the world in righteousness, And the
peoples with His truth.
Kind David said it first so are you going to argue with him?
Psa 98:9 For He shall come to judge the earth. He judges the world in
righteousness, And the people in straightness.
Joh 12:47 “And if anyone hears My Words but does not watch over them,
I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world but to save
the world.
Shalom,
Snow
A dead end can never be a one way street; you can always turn around
and take another road.
Bo Bennett
Qadosh Stephanos
<snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>I see a bitter, anger person that is filled with vile and attacking
>every silly little idea you can dredge up. Do you really see your
>work as being the fruit of Christian love?
You mean like the Messiah's unfruitful "Christian" behavior of anger?
Matthew 21:12 (ASV)
And Jesus entered into the temple of God, and cast out all them that
sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of he
money-changers, and the seats of them that sold the doves;
Your true colors of the Paulism (the fruit of the "spirit") thingy.
Revelation 14:8-13 (ASV)
And another, a second angel, followed, saying, Fallen, fallen is
Babylon the great, that hath made all the nations to drink of the wine
of the wrath of her fornication. And another angel, a third, followed
them, saying with a great voice, If any man worshippeth the beast and
his image, and receiveth a mark on his forehead, or upon his hand, he
also shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is prepared
unmixed in the cup of his anger; and he shall be tormented with fire
and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence
of the Lamb: and the smoke of their torment goeth up for ever and
ever; and they have no rest day and night, they that worship the beast
and his image, and whoso receiveth the mark of his name. Here is the
patience of the saints, they that keep the commandments of God, and
the faith of Jesus. And I heard the voice from heaven saying, Write,
Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from henceforth: yea, saith
the Spirit, that they may rest from their labors; for their works
follow with them.
guardian Snow
wrote:
> >Always looking to find fault in others
>
> It's not finding faults, it's finding your lies.
>
> That enlarged pinocchio nose means you are lair.
>
> Then it's your snake breathe. It too smells bad.
You make a lot of assumptions that neither of you can back up. What
you claim are lies are just your failure to understand because your
both filled with arrogance, pride and vanity.
Pro 8:13 “The fear of יהוה is to hate evil. I have hated pride and
arrogance, And the evil way, And the perverse mouth.
Neither of you have the slightest concept of Christian love and I'm
sorry to be so blunt about it but I'll say a prayer that you
understand.
Shalom,
Snow
Every day, people settle for less than they deserve. They are only
partially living or at best living a partial life. Every human being
has the potential for greatness.
Bo Bennett