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Aug 21, 2014, 4:01:15 PM8/21/14
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Klap Trap
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Oops ama has'sum spee'n poo poo imi didee;
oops ama has'sum stinki phew.
Klap trap. Klap trap. Klap trap Haddock and docks
the cold unspeaking stars walk shoddy-sleeved
And you watched me as a deep blue slug,
Phew phoohey! Pew pheweewôoey ding dong sore.
Oops ama has'sum spee'n poo poo imi didee;
oops ama has'sum stinki phew.
PJR, 2014-08-21
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Oops ama has'sum spee'n poo poo imi didee;
oops ama has'sum stinki phew.
Klap trap. Klap trap. Klap trap Haddock and docks
the cold unspeaking stars walk shoddy-sleeved
And you watched me as a deep blue slug,
Phew phoohey! Pew pheweewôoey ding dong sore.
Oops ama has'sum spee'n poo poo imi didee;
oops ama has'sum stinki phew.
PJR, 2014-08-21
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Michael Pendragon
Aug 22, 2014, 9:55:25 AM8/22/14
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On Friday, August 22, 2014 9:44:09 AM UTC-4, Peter J Ross wrote:
> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu, 21 Aug 2014 13:01:15 -0700 (PDT),
>
> Creepy Mike wrote:
>
> > Klap Trap
> Well, Creepster, it's certainly a lot better than "CAERLEON" or "Into the Night". Perhaps you've learned a little during your time here.
>
Sigh. Sadly, my attempts at faux archaism in "Caerleon" will never achieve the brilliance of "enthirst thine enemies with salt". But I shan't despair. One day, perhaps, I shall bestow upon Posterity some noble claptrap worthy of your own.
> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu, 21 Aug 2014 13:01:15 -0700 (PDT),
>
> Creepy Mike wrote:
>
> > Klap Trap
>
Sigh. Sadly, my attempts at faux archaism in "Caerleon" will never achieve the brilliance of "enthirst thine enemies with salt". But I shan't despair. One day, perhaps, I shall bestow upon Posterity some noble claptrap worthy of your own.
Will Dockery
Aug 22, 2014, 9:57:08 AM8/22/14
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On Friday, August 22, 2014 9:44:09 AM UTC-4, Peter J Ross wrote:
> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu, 21 Aug 2014 13:01:15 -0700 (PDT)
> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu, 21 Aug 2014 13:01:15 -0700 (PDT)
> Well, Creepster, it's certainly a lot better than "CAERLEON" or "Into
> the Night". Perhaps you've learned a little during your time here.
And the rare case where the satire is better than the original!
> the Night". Perhaps you've learned a little during your time here.
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Michael Pendragon
Aug 22, 2014, 10:19:29 AM8/22/14
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On Friday, August 22, 2014 10:07:43 AM UTC-4, Peter J Ross wrote:
> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 22 Aug 2014 06:55:25 -0700 (PDT),
> I didn't say it was good enough to deserve revising.
>
> Your next step is to read with close attention a thousand poems written and published within the past 100 years. After that, come back with a draft and we'll see if it deserves revising.
>
Right ...
Here's an excerpt from one of the modern masters:
"... dark
snotty
grosssubhuman
wheezings
from hell
itself.
your mind
almost breaks
under those
death-like
sounds
and the
intermingling
odors:
hard
unwashed socks
pissed and
shitted
underwear
and over it all
slowly circulating
air ..."
Yeah. I wanna write like that.
> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 22 Aug 2014 06:55:25 -0700 (PDT),
>
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Friday, August 22, 2014 9:44:09 AM UTC-4, Peter J Ross wrote:
>
> >> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu, 21 Aug 2014 13:01:15 -0700 (PDT),
>
> >> Creepy Mike wrote:
> >> > Klap Trap
> <snip>
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Friday, August 22, 2014 9:44:09 AM UTC-4, Peter J Ross wrote:
>
> >> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu, 21 Aug 2014 13:01:15 -0700 (PDT),
>
> >> Creepy Mike wrote:
> >> > Klap Trap
> I didn't say it was good enough to deserve revising.
>
> Your next step is to read with close attention a thousand poems written and published within the past 100 years. After that, come back with a draft and we'll see if it deserves revising.
>
Right ...
Here's an excerpt from one of the modern masters:
"... dark
snotty
grosssubhuman
wheezings
from hell
itself.
your mind
almost breaks
under those
death-like
sounds
and the
intermingling
odors:
hard
unwashed socks
pissed and
shitted
underwear
and over it all
slowly circulating
air ..."
Yeah. I wanna write like that.
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Michael Pendragon
Aug 22, 2014, 11:47:20 AM8/22/14
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On Friday, August 22, 2014 10:46:11 AM UTC-4, Peter J Ross wrote:
> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 22 Aug 2014 07:19:29 -0700 (PDT),
> > Yeah. I wanna write like that.
> The chances of finding anybody among the AAPC regulars who admires Bukowski are pretty slim.
>
> For some poets suggested by AAPC regulars, try this list:
>
<spamsnip>
> I don't agree with all the suggestions. For example, Margaret Atwood, Leonard Cohen, Billy Collins, Lawrence Ferlinghetti, Allen Ginsberg,
Jack Kerouac and Pablo Neruda wouldn't be on my personal list of authors worth reading.
>
Nor mine. (See new thread for shortlist)
> On the other hand, the names I recommended when
the list was made include William Empson,
>
Not bad, but tends to get a little singsong.
>
Geoffrey Hill
>
Typical of the thought-fragment school. Extended haiku. Snore.
> and Randall
> Jarrell, all of whom would be rather difficult for a simple-minded
beginner like you to profit from.
>
Drug trippy pseudo-poetic prose.
> If I were you, I'd start with this little anthology, or something similar:
>
> <http://www.amazon.com/Imagist-Poetry-Penguin-Modern-Classics/dp/0141185708>
>
Been there. Done that.
To return the favor, I suggest you get ahold of a copy of "Songs of Innocence & Experience" or "Penny Dreadful: Tales & Poems of Fantastic Terror" -- both edited by M.M. Pendragon.
> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 22 Aug 2014 07:19:29 -0700 (PDT),
>
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Friday, August 22, 2014 10:07:43 AM UTC-4, Peter J Ross wrote:
>
> >> Your next step is to read with close attention a thousand poems written and published within the past 100 years. After that, come back with a draft and we'll see if it deserves revising.
>
> > Right ...
> > Here's an excerpt from one of the modern masters:
>
<crapsnip>
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Friday, August 22, 2014 10:07:43 AM UTC-4, Peter J Ross wrote:
>
> >> Your next step is to read with close attention a thousand poems written and published within the past 100 years. After that, come back with a draft and we'll see if it deserves revising.
>
> > Right ...
> > Here's an excerpt from one of the modern masters:
>
> > Yeah. I wanna write like that.
>
> For some poets suggested by AAPC regulars, try this list:
>
<spamsnip>
> I don't agree with all the suggestions. For example, Margaret Atwood, Leonard Cohen, Billy Collins, Lawrence Ferlinghetti, Allen Ginsberg,
Jack Kerouac and Pablo Neruda wouldn't be on my personal list of authors worth reading.
>
Nor mine. (See new thread for shortlist)
> On the other hand, the names I recommended when
the list was made include William Empson,
>
Not bad, but tends to get a little singsong.
>
Geoffrey Hill
>
Typical of the thought-fragment school. Extended haiku. Snore.
> and Randall
> Jarrell, all of whom would be rather difficult for a simple-minded
beginner like you to profit from.
>
Drug trippy pseudo-poetic prose.
> If I were you, I'd start with this little anthology, or something similar:
>
> <http://www.amazon.com/Imagist-Poetry-Penguin-Modern-Classics/dp/0141185708>
>
Been there. Done that.
To return the favor, I suggest you get ahold of a copy of "Songs of Innocence & Experience" or "Penny Dreadful: Tales & Poems of Fantastic Terror" -- both edited by M.M. Pendragon.
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Michael Pendragon
Aug 22, 2014, 1:25:53 PM8/22/14
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On Friday, August 22, 2014 12:07:20 PM UTC-4, Peter J Ross wrote:
> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 22 Aug 2014 08:47:20 -0700 (PDT),
>
An abomination. A couple of fucktards ignorantly laughing at their betters.
> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 22 Aug 2014 08:47:20 -0700 (PDT),
>
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > To return the favor, I suggest you get ahold of a copy of "Songs of Innocence & Experience" or "Penny Dreadful: Tales & Poems of Fantastic Terror" -- both edited by M.M. Pendragon.
>
> I already have /The Stuffed Owl/. It provides a sufficient number of examples of your genre - few, if any, of which are as bad as your own efforts.
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > To return the favor, I suggest you get ahold of a copy of "Songs of Innocence & Experience" or "Penny Dreadful: Tales & Poems of Fantastic Terror" -- both edited by M.M. Pendragon.
>
>
An abomination. A couple of fucktards ignorantly laughing at their betters.
Will Dockery
Aug 22, 2014, 1:40:18 PM8/22/14
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On Friday, August 22, 2014 10:46:11 AM UTC-4, Peter J Ross wrote:
>
> The chances of finding anybody among the AAPC regulars who admires
> Bukowski are pretty slim.
Damn!
>
> The chances of finding anybody among the AAPC regulars who admires
> Bukowski are pretty slim.
That reminds me that I never got around to using the Dale Houstman quote about "Will Dockery is better than Bukowski..."
Looks like he deleted it, since about the closest I can find is us discussing the quote:
http://us.arts.poetry.narkive.com/hlLWd5S8/a-t-t-e-n-t-i-o-n-a-l-l-u-n-i-t-s.3
Funny, in a thread on "Is Leonard Cohen still good?" a lady named Diane writes that she prefers my work to Leonard Cohen!
Amazing... the poem/song discussed below is "Chattahoochee Sunset / Will Dockery & The Shadowville All-Stars" - http://www.reverbnation.com/open_graph/song/11459910
============[Begin_Quoted_Text]============================
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.music.dylan/wmE2YFTIS00/AdNf3Wm5gJkJ
"Will Dockery" <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3f5f4ca5-c009-4cfa...@googlegroups.com...
> On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:42:15 AM UTC-4, The Race Nazi wrote:
>> On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 10:44:45 AM UTC-4, really real wrote:
>>
>> This thread title is an oxymoron. Not only is Cohen not good, he NEVER
>> has been good.
>
> That's absurd.
-------------
I'd rather listen to *you* than him. (Just listened to "Chattahoochie
Sunset" in its entirety. NO CONTEST. Only able to tolerate 1 minute of the
Cohen song.)
DianeE
and
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.music.dylan/wmE2YFTIS00/toMqYjov1isJ
"DianeE" <Tired...@SorryFolks.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Will Dockery" <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3f5f4ca5-c009-4cfa...@googlegroups.com...
>> On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:42:15 AM UTC-4, The Race Nazi wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 10:44:45 AM UTC-4, really real wrote:
>>>
>>> This thread title is an oxymoron. Not only is Cohen not good, he NEVER
>>> has been good.
>>
>> That's absurd.
> -------------
> I'd rather listen to *you* than him. (Just listened to "Chattahoochie
> Sunset" in its entirety. NO CONTEST. Only able to tolerate 1 minute of
> the Cohen song.)
>
-----------------
Listened to "Chattahoochie Sunset" a second time. That's 8 minutes of you
vs. 1 minute of Cohen, and I could probably listen to your song several more
times, in fact it's kind of growing on me.
Leonard Cohen is one of those love-him-or-hate-him artists, and I'm firmly
in the latter camp; his singing makes my skin crawl.
DianeE
=============[End_Quoted_Text]================================
While I can't really claim that I actually /am/ "better" than Leonard Cohen or Charles Bukowski, it is flattering and cool to know that my poetry has reached folks like Dale and Diane.
--
"Chattahoochee Sunset / Will Dockery & The Shadowville All-Stars" - http://www.reverbnation.com/open_graph/song/11459910
Will Dockery
Aug 22, 2014, 2:55:20 PM8/22/14
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Peter J Ross wrote:
>
> Your next step is to read with close attention a thousand poems
> written and published within the past 100 years. After that, come back
> with a draft and we'll see if it deserves revising.
As if someone who writes garbage such as:
>
> Your next step is to read with close attention a thousand poems
> written and published within the past 100 years. After that, come back
> with a draft and we'll see if it deserves revising.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.arts.poetry.comments/HpaGWdue1VU/6TR2sDf8YMYJ
Trak Rak
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Ops ara h'op spoi pheu pheu kottoin;
ops ara h'op spoi pheu.
Trak rak. Trak rak. Trak rak and a purple bird
Is in any position to judge another man's poetry... heh.
George Dance
Aug 22, 2014, 10:32:16 PM8/22/14
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Will Dockery
Aug 23, 2014, 8:58:26 AM8/23/14
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Hieronymous707 wrote:
> The neat thing about trust is that it's completely voluntary. You
> don't have to believe what anybody says about anything, ever.
> The funny thing about feeling foolish is that once you get past
> the initial sense of embarrassment, it really feels kind of good.
Tell it, Brother Corey, tell it... as our newly departed friend Reverend Randy Thorn might say, life ain't worth living if it doesn't feel good.
> The neat thing about trust is that it's completely voluntary. You
> don't have to believe what anybody says about anything, ever.
> The funny thing about feeling foolish is that once you get past
> the initial sense of embarrassment, it really feels kind of good.
Tell it, Brother Corey, tell it... as our newly departed friend Reverend Randy Thorn might say, life ain't worth living if it doesn't feel good.
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Will Dockery
Aug 23, 2014, 10:35:02 AM8/23/14
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Hieronymous707 wrote:
> Speaking of rings, today's wedding is at a
> scenic old horse farm turned winery beside
> a river very near to where I live, so if nothing
> else, at least it's exceptionally convenient.
Is this the one where you perform the ceremony in drag for the naked lesbians?
> Speaking of rings, today's wedding is at a
> scenic old horse farm turned winery beside
> a river very near to where I live, so if nothing
> else, at least it's exceptionally convenient.
Is this the one where you perform the ceremony in drag for the naked lesbians?
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Will Dockery
Aug 23, 2014, 11:09:09 AM8/23/14
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Hieronymous707 wrote:
> That one only happens in your warped imagination.
Yeah we call it originality. I may write a song about it.
Names changed, of course.
> That one only happens in your warped imagination.
Yeah we call it originality. I may write a song about it.
Names changed, of course.
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Will Dockery
Aug 23, 2014, 11:25:20 AM8/23/14
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Hieronymous707 wrote:
> Exactly. It was my original story that prompted you to come
> up with that bullshit ripoff, not that you care about that stuff.
Okay... so now you claim it.
Best of luck with it, Reverend Klinger.
> Exactly. It was my original story that prompted you to come
> up with that bullshit ripoff, not that you care about that stuff.
Okay... so now you claim it.
Best of luck with it, Reverend Klinger.
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gen...@hotmail.com
Aug 23, 2014, 12:23:50 PM8/23/14
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On 23-Aug-2014, willie douchebag wrote:
> as our newly departed friend Reverend Randy Thorn might say, life ain't
> worth living if it doesn't feel good.
Will you be following suit?
Or will you be dragging his corpse across usenet in a transparent ploy to
draw attention to your sorry self?
Cujo DeSockpuppet
Aug 23, 2014, 12:32:20 PM8/23/14
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gen...@hotmail.com wrote in
news:53f8c036$0$46024$c3e8da3$88b2...@news.astraweb.com:
He wanted a memorial senryu. He has to die first for that to happen.
--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in dfw.*,
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych. Supreme Holy
Overlord of alt.fucknozzles. Winner of the 8/2000, 2/2003 & 4/2007 HL&S
award. July 2005 Hammer of Thor. Winning Trainer - Barbara Woodhouse
Memorial Dog Whistle - 12/2005 & 4/2008. COOSN-266-06-01895.
"....your harassment will probably endure until I get around to punishing
you into a legal and economic pulp, hence, I have no need to rush the
legal actions." - Ed explains why it's still February of 2002.
news:53f8c036$0$46024$c3e8da3$88b2...@news.astraweb.com:
--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in dfw.*,
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych. Supreme Holy
Overlord of alt.fucknozzles. Winner of the 8/2000, 2/2003 & 4/2007 HL&S
award. July 2005 Hammer of Thor. Winning Trainer - Barbara Woodhouse
Memorial Dog Whistle - 12/2005 & 4/2008. COOSN-266-06-01895.
"....your harassment will probably endure until I get around to punishing
you into a legal and economic pulp, hence, I have no need to rush the
legal actions." - Ed explains why it's still February of 2002.
Will Dockery
Aug 23, 2014, 12:37:12 PM8/23/14
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<generic> wrote in message
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> On 23-Aug-2014, willie <gen's childish name calling snipped>
>
>> as our newly departed friend Reverend Randy Thorn might say, life ain't
>> worth living if it doesn't feel good.
>
> Maybe that's why he died so young.
>
> Will you be following suit?
No, I don't plan on following him any time soon... feel free to go have a
>> as our newly departed friend Reverend Randy Thorn might say, life ain't
>> worth living if it doesn't feel good.
>
> Maybe that's why he died so young.
>
> Will you be following suit?
look and let us know what you think, if you'd like!
> Or will you be dragging his corpse across usenet
few months ago, though.
And so it goes.
Cujo DeSockpuppet
Aug 23, 2014, 1:54:34 PM8/23/14
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"Will Dockery" <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:ltag01$qa7$1...@dont-email.me:
> And so it goes.
Wipe yourself afterwards. Just to say you did it once...
--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in dfw.*,
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych. Supreme Holy
Overlord of alt.fucknozzles. Winner of the 8/2000, 2/2003 & 4/2007 HL&S
award. July 2005 Hammer of Thor. Winning Trainer - Barbara Woodhouse
Memorial Dog Whistle - 12/2005 & 4/2008. COOSN-266-06-01895.
appears"
- Edmond Wollmann, trying ever so hard to be modest.
Will Dockery
Aug 23, 2014, 2:53:15 PM8/23/14
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Cujo DeSockpuppet wrote:
>
> You seem to forget your own whinings about an ex-wife.
You're right, as far as I can remember I've never "whined" about anything on Usenet.
>
> You seem to forget your own whinings about an ex-wife.
--
Twilight Girl / Dockery & Conley
http://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery/song/17680972-twilight-girl-w-dockery--h-conley
gen...@hotmail.com
Aug 23, 2014, 5:49:04 PM8/23/14
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On 23-Aug-2014, willie douchebag wrote:
> You're right, as far as I can remember I've never "whined" about anything
> on Usenet.
So, you're now saying that you can't remember any of your posts?
> on Usenet.
karma bombs wwwwahh for 12 years
wwwaaaahhhh
Will Dockery
Aug 23, 2014, 10:06:37 PM8/23/14
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On Saturday, August 23, 2014 5:49:04 PM UTC-4, gen...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> karma bombs wwwwahh for 12 years
>
> wwwaaaahhhh
Not at all. I only post about "Karma Bombs" these days to correct lies and set the record straight.
>
> karma bombs wwwwahh for 12 years
>
> wwwaaaahhhh
Here's the "Karma Bombs" story for those newcomers who don't know about it:
http://us.arts.poetry.narkive.com/4mMDwEqM/karma-bombs-will-dockery
Will Dockery
Aug 24, 2014, 12:24:41 AM8/24/14
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Not at all, in fact I can remember my posts well enough to correct folks like you when you come along and try to misrepresent me.
See how that works?
--
Shadowville All-Stars Live at Rotary Park at the 6th Annual AIDS 5k Riverwalk Event Run. With special musical guests Angeleyes & Mike Matthews.
http://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery
See how that works?
--
Shadowville All-Stars Live at Rotary Park at the 6th Annual AIDS 5k Riverwalk Event Run. With special musical guests Angeleyes & Mike Matthews.
http://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery
Will Dockery
Nov 17, 2017, 5:12:18 PM11/17/17
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On Friday, August 22, 2014 at 11:47:20 AM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Friday, August 22, 2014 10:46:11 AM UTC-4, Peter J Ross wrote:
> > In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 22 Aug 2014 07:19:29 -0700 (PDT),
> >
> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > > On Friday, August 22, 2014 10:07:43 AM UTC-4, Peter J Ross wrote:
> >
> > >> Your next step is to read with close attention a thousand poems written and published within the past 100 years. After that, come back with a draft and we'll see if it deserves revising.
> >
> > > Right ...
>
> > > Here's an excerpt from one of the modern masters:
> >
> <crapsnip>
>
> > > Yeah. I wanna write like that.
>
> > The chances of finding anybody among the AAPC regulars who admires Bukowski are pretty slim.
> >
>
> > For some poets suggested by AAPC regulars, try this list:
> >
>
> <spamsnip>
>
> > I don't agree with all the suggestions. For example, Margaret Atwood, Leonard Cohen, Billy Collins, Lawrence Ferlinghetti, Allen Ginsberg,
> Jack Kerouac and Pablo Neruda wouldn't be on my personal list of authors worth reading.
> >
>
> Nor mine. (See new thread for shortlist)
Okay, here you count Billy Collins out... before or after reading any of his poetry, Coco?
> On Friday, August 22, 2014 10:46:11 AM UTC-4, Peter J Ross wrote:
> > In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 22 Aug 2014 07:19:29 -0700 (PDT),
> >
> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > > On Friday, August 22, 2014 10:07:43 AM UTC-4, Peter J Ross wrote:
> >
> > >> Your next step is to read with close attention a thousand poems written and published within the past 100 years. After that, come back with a draft and we'll see if it deserves revising.
> >
> > > Right ...
>
> > > Here's an excerpt from one of the modern masters:
> >
> <crapsnip>
>
> > > Yeah. I wanna write like that.
>
> > The chances of finding anybody among the AAPC regulars who admires Bukowski are pretty slim.
> >
>
> > For some poets suggested by AAPC regulars, try this list:
> >
>
> <spamsnip>
>
> > I don't agree with all the suggestions. For example, Margaret Atwood, Leonard Cohen, Billy Collins, Lawrence Ferlinghetti, Allen Ginsberg,
> Jack Kerouac and Pablo Neruda wouldn't be on my personal list of authors worth reading.
> >
>
> Nor mine. (See new thread for shortlist)
Coco DeSockmonkey
Nov 18, 2017, 5:49:17 PM11/18/17
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On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 5:12:18 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Friday, August 22, 2014 at 11:47:20 AM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Friday, August 22, 2014 10:46:11 AM UTC-4, Peter J Ross wrote:
> > > In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 22 Aug 2014 07:19:29 -0700 (PDT),
> > >
> > > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >
> > > > On Friday, August 22, 2014 10:07:43 AM UTC-4, Peter J Ross wrote:
> > >
> > > >> Your next step is to read with close attention a thousand poems written and published within the past 100 years. After that, come back with a draft and we'll see if it deserves revising.
> > >
> > > > Right ...
> >
> > > > Here's an excerpt from one of the modern masters:
> > >
> > <crapsnip>
> >
> > > > Yeah. I wanna write like that.
> >
> > > The chances of finding anybody among the AAPC regulars who admires Bukowski are pretty slim.
> > >
> >
> > > For some poets suggested by AAPC regulars, try this list:
> > >
> >
> > <spamsnip>
> >
> > > I don't agree with all the suggestions. For example, Margaret Atwood, Leonard Cohen, Billy Collins, Lawrence Ferlinghetti, Allen Ginsberg,
> > Jack Kerouac and Pablo Neruda wouldn't be on my personal list of authors worth reading.
> > >
> >
> > Nor mine. (See new thread for shortlist)
>
> Okay, here you count Billy Collins out... before or after reading any of his poetry, Coco?
>
Coco not write post.
> On Friday, August 22, 2014 at 11:47:20 AM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Friday, August 22, 2014 10:46:11 AM UTC-4, Peter J Ross wrote:
> > > In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 22 Aug 2014 07:19:29 -0700 (PDT),
> > >
> > > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >
> > > > On Friday, August 22, 2014 10:07:43 AM UTC-4, Peter J Ross wrote:
> > >
> > > >> Your next step is to read with close attention a thousand poems written and published within the past 100 years. After that, come back with a draft and we'll see if it deserves revising.
> > >
> > > > Right ...
> >
> > > > Here's an excerpt from one of the modern masters:
> > >
> > <crapsnip>
> >
> > > > Yeah. I wanna write like that.
> >
> > > The chances of finding anybody among the AAPC regulars who admires Bukowski are pretty slim.
> > >
> >
> > > For some poets suggested by AAPC regulars, try this list:
> > >
> >
> > <spamsnip>
> >
> > > I don't agree with all the suggestions. For example, Margaret Atwood, Leonard Cohen, Billy Collins, Lawrence Ferlinghetti, Allen Ginsberg,
> > Jack Kerouac and Pablo Neruda wouldn't be on my personal list of authors worth reading.
> > >
> >
> > Nor mine. (See new thread for shortlist)
>
> Okay, here you count Billy Collins out... before or after reading any of his poetry, Coco?
>
Me
Nov 18, 2017, 5:54:51 PM11/18/17
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I was right about this shit all along.
George Dunce
Mar 11, 2023, 7:15:53 PM3/11/23
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On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 5:54:51 PM UTC-5, Me wrote:
> I was right about this shit all along.
Three cheers for Piggy!
> I was right about this shit all along.
NancyGene
Mar 11, 2023, 7:55:31 PM3/11/23
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Michael Pendragon
Mar 11, 2023, 10:41:02 PM3/11/23
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That said, poo was Dunce's only friend when growing up in his father's box. When Little Boy George crapped the bed while being beaten, his father made him lie on the filthy sheets for the night. Little George would mush all the poop together and pretend it his silly old Poo Bear.
NancyGene
Mar 12, 2023, 12:14:55 PM3/12/23
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On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 3:41:02 AM UTC, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 7:55:31 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 12:15:53 AM UTC, George Dunce wrote:
> > > On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 5:54:51 PM UTC-5, Me wrote:
> > > > I was right about this shit all along.
> > > Three cheers for Piggy!
> > Piggy roll in poo. Dunce have poo as friend.
> I've always thought of Piggy John-John as being fastidiously clean. He models himself on the other PJR, after all.
We don't know if either is clean. Certainly hairy.
> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 7:55:31 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 12:15:53 AM UTC, George Dunce wrote:
> > > On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 5:54:51 PM UTC-5, Me wrote:
> > > > I was right about this shit all along.
> > > Three cheers for Piggy!
> > Piggy roll in poo. Dunce have poo as friend.
> I've always thought of Piggy John-John as being fastidiously clean. He models himself on the other PJR, after all.
>
> That said, poo was Dunce's only friend when growing up in his father's box. When Little Boy George crapped the bed while being beaten, his father made him lie on the filthy sheets for the night. Little George would mush all the poop together and pretend it his silly old Poo Bear.
Dried poo was his only toy. Remember Play-Doh? Little Boy George had Play-Poo and would squish it between his toes to make various shapes like a ball and a box. He didn't have much of an imagination.
> That said, poo was Dunce's only friend when growing up in his father's box. When Little Boy George crapped the bed while being beaten, his father made him lie on the filthy sheets for the night. Little George would mush all the poop together and pretend it his silly old Poo Bear.
Zod
Mar 12, 2023, 3:35:25 PM3/12/23
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On Thursday, August 21, 2014 at 4:01:15 PM UTC-4, piggyj...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Klap Trap
> --------
>
> Oops ama has'sum spee'n poo poo imi didee;
> oops ama has'sum stinki phew.
>
> Klap trap. Klap trap. Klap trap Haddock and docks
> the cold unspeaking stars walk shoddy-sleeved
> And you watched me as a deep blue slug,
> Phew phoohey! Pew pheweewôoey ding dong sore.
>
> Oops ama has'sum spee'n poo poo imi didee;
> oops ama has'sum stinki phew.
>
>
>
> PJR, 2014-08-21
Is this a Peter poem...?
Not a bad Beat style work.....
>
> Klap Trap
> --------
>
> Oops ama has'sum spee'n poo poo imi didee;
> oops ama has'sum stinki phew.
>
> Klap trap. Klap trap. Klap trap Haddock and docks
> the cold unspeaking stars walk shoddy-sleeved
> And you watched me as a deep blue slug,
> Phew phoohey! Pew pheweewôoey ding dong sore.
>
> Oops ama has'sum spee'n poo poo imi didee;
> oops ama has'sum stinki phew.
>
>
>
> PJR, 2014-08-21
Is this a Peter poem...?
Not a bad Beat style work.....
George Dance
Apr 5, 2023, 10:40:35 AM4/5/23
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On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 10:41:02 PM UTC-5, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 7:55:31 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 7:55:31 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 12:15:53 AM UTC, Michael Monkey aka "George Dunce" wrote:
> > > On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 5:54:51 PM UTC-5, Me wrote:
> > > > I was right about this shit all along.
> > > Three cheers for Piggy!
> > Piggy roll in poo. Dunce have poo as friend.
> I've always thought of Piggy John-John as being fastidiously clean. He models himself on the other PJR, after all.
>
> That said, poo was Dunce's only friend when growing up in his father's box. When Little Boy George crapped the bed while being beaten, his father made him lie on the filthy sheets for the night. Little George would mush all the poop together and pretend it his silly old Poo Bear.
Wow! Do you have back stories for all of your sock accounts, Michael?
> > > On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 5:54:51 PM UTC-5, Me wrote:
> > > > I was right about this shit all along.
> > > Three cheers for Piggy!
> > Piggy roll in poo. Dunce have poo as friend.
> I've always thought of Piggy John-John as being fastidiously clean. He models himself on the other PJR, after all.
>
> That said, poo was Dunce's only friend when growing up in his father's box. When Little Boy George crapped the bed while being beaten, his father made him lie on the filthy sheets for the night. Little George would mush all the poop together and pretend it his silly old Poo Bear.
George Dance
Apr 5, 2023, 10:55:24 AM4/5/23
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On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 3:35:25 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> On Thursday, August 21, 2014 at 4:01:15 PM UTC-4, piggyj...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > Klap Trap
> > --------
<krap snip>
> On Thursday, August 21, 2014 at 4:01:15 PM UTC-4, piggyj...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > Klap Trap
> > --------
> >
> > PJR, 2014-08-21
>
> Is this a Peter poem...?
>
No, it's a Michael Monkey parody of one. Here's the original:
> > PJR, 2014-08-21
>
> Is this a Peter poem...?
>
rak Rak
--------
Ops ara h'op spoi pheu pheu kottoin;
ops ara h'op spoi pheu.
Trak rak. Trak rak. Trak rak and a purple bird
to peck the monumental dead of Marathon;
the Spartans came too late and so come she.
Pheu phettoi! Pheu pheidzômen long long gone.
Ops ara h'op spoi pheu pheu kottoin;
ops ara h'op spoi pheu.
PJR, 2011-12-19
Michael Pendragon
Apr 5, 2023, 12:52:10 PM4/5/23
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W-Dockery
Apr 5, 2023, 3:25:17 PM4/5/23
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George Dance wrote:
> On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 3:35:25 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 3:35:25 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>> On Thursday, August 21, 2014 at 4:01:15 PM UTC-4, piggyj...@gmail..com wrote:
>> >
>> > Klap Trap
>> > --------
> <krap snip>
>> >
>> > PJR, 2014-08-21
>>
>> Is this a Peter poem...?
>>
> No, it's a Michael Monkey parody of one. Here's the original:
> rak Rak
> --------
> Ops ara h'op spoi pheu pheu kottoin;
> ops ara h'op spoi pheu.
> Trak rak. Trak rak. Trak rak and a purple bird
> to peck the monumental dead of Marathon;
> the Spartans came too late and so come she.
> Pheu phettoi! Pheu pheidzômen long long gone.
> Ops ara h'op spoi pheu pheu kottoin;
> ops ara h'op spoi pheu.
> PJR, 2011-12-19
PJR is a most peculiar man.
>> >
>> > Klap Trap
>> > --------
> <krap snip>
>> >
>> > PJR, 2014-08-21
>>
>> Is this a Peter poem...?
>>
> No, it's a Michael Monkey parody of one. Here's the original:
> rak Rak
> --------
> Ops ara h'op spoi pheu pheu kottoin;
> ops ara h'op spoi pheu.
> Trak rak. Trak rak. Trak rak and a purple bird
> to peck the monumental dead of Marathon;
> the Spartans came too late and so come she.
> Pheu phettoi! Pheu pheidzômen long long gone.
> Ops ara h'op spoi pheu pheu kottoin;
> ops ara h'op spoi pheu.
> PJR, 2011-12-19
🙂
George Dance
Apr 5, 2023, 4:54:14 PM4/5/23
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On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 3:25:17 PM UTC-4, W-Dockery wrote:
> George Dance wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 3:35:25 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> >> On Thursday, August 21, 2014 at 4:01:15 PM UTC-4, piggyj...@gmail..com wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Klap Trap
> >> > --------
>
> > <krap snip>
> >> >
> >> > PJR, 2014-08-21
> >>
> >> Is this a Peter poem...?
> >>
>
> > No, it's a Michael Monkey parody of one. Here's the original:
>
> > Trak Rak
> George Dance wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 3:35:25 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> >> On Thursday, August 21, 2014 at 4:01:15 PM UTC-4, piggyj...@gmail..com wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Klap Trap
> >> > --------
>
> > <krap snip>
> >> >
> >> > PJR, 2014-08-21
> >>
> >> Is this a Peter poem...?
> >>
>
> > No, it's a Michael Monkey parody of one. Here's the original:
>
> > --------
>
> > Ops ara h'op spoi pheu pheu kottoin;
> > ops ara h'op spoi pheu.
>
> > Trak rak. Trak rak. Trak rak and a purple bird
> > to peck the monumental dead of Marathon;
> > the Spartans came too late and so come she.
> > Pheu phettoi! Pheu pheidzômen long long gone.
>
> > Ops ara h'op spoi pheu pheu kottoin;
> > ops ara h'op spoi pheu.
>
> > PJR, 2011-12-19
> PJR is a most peculiar man.
>
> 🙂
I suspect that it's more meaningful than it looks; that the words that look like pure gibberish are phonetic Greek, saying something though I have no idea what.
>
> > Ops ara h'op spoi pheu pheu kottoin;
> > ops ara h'op spoi pheu.
>
> > Trak rak. Trak rak. Trak rak and a purple bird
> > to peck the monumental dead of Marathon;
> > the Spartans came too late and so come she.
> > Pheu phettoi! Pheu pheidzômen long long gone.
>
> > Ops ara h'op spoi pheu pheu kottoin;
> > ops ara h'op spoi pheu.
>
> > PJR, 2011-12-19
> PJR is a most peculiar man.
>
> 🙂
Zod
Apr 5, 2023, 5:09:30 PM4/5/23
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Michael Pendragon
Apr 5, 2023, 7:18:12 PM4/5/23
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On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 4:54:14 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
Will Dockery
Apr 5, 2023, 7:25:06 PM4/5/23
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On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 4:54:14 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDCk1X2S00A
Check out the lyrics here:
https://www.songfacts.com/lyrics/david-bowie/girl-loves-me
"Cheena so sound, so titty up this malchick, say
Party up mood, naddy vellocet round on Tuesday
Real bad dizzy snatch making all the homies mad, Thursday
Popo blind to the polly in the hole by Friday..."
Michael Pendragon
Apr 6, 2023, 12:15:24 AM4/6/23
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But Bowie's song isn't gibberish -- it's slang. The version you copy/pasted is incorrect: line two should read "Party up moodge, nanti vellocet round Tuesday" ("Party up man, no drugs round Tuesday"). "Moodge" and "vellocet" are literary slang, as they are part of the fictional language created by Anthony Burgess for "A Clockwork Orange."
Why are you such a dumbass, Donkey?
W.Dockery
Apr 6, 2023, 1:00:13 AM4/6/23
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Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 7:25:06 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 4:54:14 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 3:25:17 PM UTC-4, W-Dockery wrote:
>> > > George Dance wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 3:35:25 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 7:25:06 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 4:54:14 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 3:25:17 PM UTC-4, W-Dockery wrote:
>> > > George Dance wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 3:35:25 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> Bowie's song isn't gibberish
I never said it was.
> -- it's slang. The version you copy/pasted is incorrect: line two should read "Party up moodge, nanti vellocet round Tuesday" ("Party up man, no drugs round Tuesday"). "Moodge" and "vellocet" are literary slang, as they are part of the fictional language created by Anthony Burgess for "A Clockwork Orange."
I was just comparing it with what PJR might have been trying.
Michael Pendragon
Apr 6, 2023, 2:59:38 AM4/6/23
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Why do you lie so much, Donkey?
Will Dockery
Apr 6, 2023, 2:28:46 PM4/6/23
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🙂
Michael Pendragon
Apr 6, 2023, 5:25:34 PM4/6/23
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IIRC, "moodge" does not appear in the film -- which explains why you mistook the word for "mood."
Zod
Apr 6, 2023, 5:28:22 PM4/6/23
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Michael Pendragon
Apr 6, 2023, 6:25:39 PM4/6/23
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Try to use your brain for change. Ha ha ha.
Will Dockery
Apr 6, 2023, 7:25:02 PM4/6/23
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But I did catch A Clockwork Orange very early on, in the mid 1970s, and of course, read a lot about it during that time, so I've been very familiar with it for years.
Not to mention the Mad Magazine parody, which I owned.
:)
Michael Pendragon
Apr 6, 2023, 7:46:51 PM4/6/23
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You failed to correctly include the Nadsat words in the lyric sample you posted. You obviously didn't recognize them, and therefore had no idea what the song was about.
Will Dockery
Apr 6, 2023, 8:11:01 PM4/6/23
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Wrong, Pendragon.
The meaning of Bowie's song was discussed in depth when it was released, it's well known to be based on the slang of A Clockwork Orange.
I think we even discussed it here or on the Dylan group.
HTH and HAND.
The meaning of Bowie's song was discussed in depth when it was released, it's well known to be based on the slang of A Clockwork Orange.
I think we even discussed it here or on the Dylan group.
HTH and HAND.
Michael Pendragon
Apr 7, 2023, 1:47:46 AM4/7/23
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If you are such an expert on the poem, how did you not recognize/understand any of the slang words it contained?
I'm surprised you haven't tried your usual gambit of blaming it on autocorrect.
George Dance
Apr 7, 2023, 3:41:40 PM4/7/23
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George Dance
Apr 7, 2023, 3:47:38 PM4/7/23
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General-Zod
Apr 7, 2023, 4:55:13 PM4/7/23
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Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 8:11:01 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Wrong, Pendragon.
>>
>> The meaning of Bowie's song was discussed in depth when it was released, it's well known to be based on the slang of A Clockwork Orange.
>>
>> I think we even discussed it here or on the Dylan group.
> And yet you failed to correctly reproduce the slang terms
It terms were those used by David Bowie...
> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 8:11:01 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Wrong, Pendragon.
>>
>> The meaning of Bowie's song was discussed in depth when it was released, it's well known to be based on the slang of A Clockwork Orange.
>>
>> I think we even discussed it here or on the Dylan group.
> And yet you failed to correctly reproduce the slang terms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDCk1X2S00A
You seem confused, Penhead... ha ha.
Michael Pendragon
Apr 7, 2023, 6:51:48 PM4/7/23
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I *always* proof read and correct any set of lyrics I copy-paste.
So even if such were the case, then it is the Donkey's fault that he's such a lazy sloth.
However, even the most cursory perusal makes it clear that the lyrics were incorrect. Anyone who was familiar with would have caught it as quickly as I did. So that odds that Donkey had been too lazy to even skim the piece before copy-pasting it are nowhere near as high as his simply having been ignorant of the actual slang words the lyric employs.
Michael Pendragon
Apr 7, 2023, 6:59:33 PM4/7/23
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However, even if it were phonetic Greek (which I highly doubt is the case), the poem remains a piece of claptrap -- as do the vast majority of PJ's works.
Will Dockery
Apr 7, 2023, 7:19:13 PM4/7/23
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HTH and HAND.
Will Dockery
Apr 7, 2023, 7:19:55 PM4/7/23
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🙂
Michael Pendragon
Apr 8, 2023, 12:02:40 AM4/8/23
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W-Dockery
Apr 8, 2023, 12:40:14 AM4/8/23
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😀
George Dance
Apr 21, 2023, 8:13:08 PM4/21/23
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> However, even if it were phonetic Greek (which I highly doubt is the case), the poem remains a piece of claptrap -- as do the vast majority of PJ's works.
Will Dockery
Apr 21, 2023, 8:50:19 PM4/21/23
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George Dance
Apr 22, 2023, 11:33:53 AM4/22/23
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Thanks to the prominence of Eliot (and after him of Auden), "academic" poetry became the standard, and it was most of what we were taught as modern poetry in uni in the early 1970s. It's what gave rise to the idea of "profound" poetry being unintelligible, an idea satirized by Rand in /The Fountainhead/. ("Toothbrush in the Jaw").
Will Dockery
Apr 22, 2023, 1:57:29 PM4/22/23
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ME
Apr 22, 2023, 3:27:11 PM4/22/23
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Your rellu losing it. Are you having a hard time defending your team spirit?
ME
Apr 22, 2023, 3:29:35 PM4/22/23
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Will Dockery
Apr 22, 2023, 3:38:52 PM4/22/23
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Apostrophes matter.
🙂
Michael Pendragon
Apr 22, 2023, 6:44:02 PM4/22/23
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(Not that I think for one minute that PJR was using phonetic Greek.)
> > However, even if it were phonetic Greek (which I highly doubt is the case), the poem remains a piece of claptrap -- as do the vast majority of PJ's works.
> Why would "Piggy John-John Ross" care if "Creepy Mike" says that? "Creepy Mike" would just be confessing his ignorance; and "Piggy John-John" would just laugh at him.
Michael Pendragon
Apr 22, 2023, 6:48:09 PM4/22/23
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W.Dockery
Apr 22, 2023, 8:40:14 PM4/22/23
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>> > > > > > Were that the case, the author should have provided the translation in a footnote.
>> > > > > Why the hell should he? "Were that the case," then the author would have added the Greek in deliberately, to screen out what he'd call "illiterates" -- people who can't speak Greek. Why should he cater to an "illiterate" like you?
>> > > > > > However, even if it were phonetic Greek (which I highly doubt is the case), the poem remains a piece of claptrap -- as do the vast majority of PJ's works.
>> > > > > Why would "Piggy John-John Ross" care if "Creepy Mike" says that? "Creepy Mike" would just be confessing his ignorance; and "Piggy John-John" would just laugh at him.
>> > > > That definitely sounds like the PJR I know.
>> > > It's not just him -- he's an extreme example. There's a type of modern poetry (Frye calls it "academic" poetry) that tries to screen out the "mud people" (as jr sherman used to call them) and appeal to an elite class of readers. They do that by writing poetry of which the meaning is not plain to most people, but can only be understood by being "decoded" (to use Gwyneth's old term). T.S. Eliot is its most famous example. Until his death in 2016, Geoffrey Hill was its most prominent living example. Wallace Stevens is probably the best-known American poet writing in that style; WCW was probably its fiercest opponent.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks to the prominence of Eliot (and after him of Auden), "academic" poetry became the standard, and it was most of what we were taught as modern poetry in uni in the early 1970s. It's what gave rise to the idea of "profound" poetry being unintelligible, an idea satirized by Rand in /The Fountainhead/. ("Toothbrush in the Jaw").
>
>> > > > > Why the hell should he? "Were that the case," then the author would have added the Greek in deliberately, to screen out what he'd call "illiterates" -- people who can't speak Greek. Why should he cater to an "illiterate" like you?
>> > > > > > However, even if it were phonetic Greek (which I highly doubt is the case), the poem remains a piece of claptrap -- as do the vast majority of PJ's works.
>> > > > > Why would "Piggy John-John Ross" care if "Creepy Mike" says that? "Creepy Mike" would just be confessing his ignorance; and "Piggy John-John" would just laugh at him.
>> > > > That definitely sounds like the PJR I know.
>> > > It's not just him -- he's an extreme example. There's a type of modern poetry (Frye calls it "academic" poetry) that tries to screen out the "mud people" (as jr sherman used to call them) and appeal to an elite class of readers. They do that by writing poetry of which the meaning is not plain to most people, but can only be understood by being "decoded" (to use Gwyneth's old term). T.S. Eliot is its most famous example. Until his death in 2016, Geoffrey Hill was its most prominent living example. Wallace Stevens is probably the best-known American poet writing in that style; WCW was probably its fiercest opponent.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks to the prominence of Eliot (and after him of Auden), "academic" poetry became the standard, and it was most of what we were taught as modern poetry in uni in the early 1970s. It's what gave rise to the idea of "profound" poetry being unintelligible, an idea satirized by Rand in /The Fountainhead/. ("Toothbrush in the Jaw").
>
> George lost it (his sanity)
Look who's talking, Michael Pendragon, the delusional fuckwit who thinks he's a better poet than T.S. Eliot, ee cummings and William Carlos Williams.
And so it goes.
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