Is Leonard Cohen still good?

[really real]

I'm a big Leonard Cohen fan but I've been disappointed by everything he's done since The Future. He's had some good songs since then, but nothing that has really amazed me.

This new Leonard song just appeared

Almost Like the Blues
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VYXECtjOos

It's kind of interesting but is it any good? Will it stand up to repeated listening? I can't tell from the sound on my laptop if the music is being played life or by some machine.

[The Race Nazi]

On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 10:44:45 AM UTC-4, really real wrote:

This thread title is an oxymoron. Not only is Cohen not good, he NEVER has been good.

[really real]

> This thread title is an oxymoron. Not only is Cohen not good, he NEVER has been good.

Hey Mr Shuck n Jive Negroes Can Sing & Dance Man,

We all know your opinion of Leonard Cohen
And we all know the world's opinion of Leonard Cohen

So why bother chiming in with your same old rant about Leonard?

See the white guy rant......

[The Race Nazi]

On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:44:36 AM UTC-4, really real wrote:
>
> And we all know the world's opinion of Leonard Cohen

Here's some of it:

http://subvertcentral.com/forum/showthread.php?10381-Leonard-Cohen-sucks

yes, leonard cohen sucks
musically, the songs are absolutely cliched. intensely irritating are the squad of females he always has to have on backup vocals. he puts on that low confiding tone and writes vague, somewhat obscure lyrics that come across as so enigmatic they must be Poetry with a capital P, and about incredibly profound stuff. actually they're about who he wants to fuck, who he's been fucking and who he once remembers having fucked. they're coded because in each instance cohen has felt the need to conceal the bare facts from the current fuckee.
he has gone through women like a dose of fluoroantimonic acid, because he's been such a slut.
he dresses in black and consorts with buddhists and now appears to seemingly most ppl as both groovy and dignified. in fact he needed someone to give him absolution for a massive guilt complex earned over a lifetime of selfishness and richly deserved.
rarely has any basically sleazy and weak man ever gotten away with so much without being seen as what he was- a fairly typical manifestation of the underbelly of masculinity, not particularly talented as a musician and nothing very special at all, except insofar as he's forever IN OUR FACES.
thankyou for starting this thread with the same name as my search term that found it.

ps. i am not one of his many exes. and really i should blame not him but all the idiots who constantly revere him while i can hardly endure a song's worth of his hackneyed crap. he's just another ordinary man who couldn't resist the call of the cock.

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php/t-393023.html

Cohen's voice and phrasing sucks. He sounds like he's some random person doing a karaoke version of his own song, unfamiliar with the pitch or the phrasing.

http://www.leonardcohenforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=3782

i'd just like to say how much i HATE his songs and his shit voice, he doesn't even have a tone!!, let alone staying in key, don henley did a better version of everybody knows, stupid leonard cohen the old bugger

[JD Chase]

LC is not only "good", he is GREAT! I love virtually all his music from his first album, until now...

[really real]

>
> ps. i am not one of his many exes. and really i should blame not him but all the idiots who constantly revere him while i can hardly endure a song's worth of his hackneyed crap. he's just another ordinary man who couldn't resist the call of the cock.
>

Yes, but you don't read fiction or appreciate literature. You have no sense of what poetry is. And in a Bob Dylan newsgroup to complain about a singers voice is kind of ridiculous.

Sure you can find crap on the internet to back up your views. But why bother posting them? Only an idiot in a Bob Dylan newsgroup wouldn't appreciate Leonard Cohen

[The Race Nazi]

Diane is a big fan of lyrics and she hates Cohen at least as much as I do.

[Just Kidding]

Maybe so, but Diane has been known to disagree with your
characterizations of her opinions before. Why don't you just let her
speak for herself?

[Just Walkin']

The only Ferguson this cat cares about is Jenkins, if that much. You should be glad he's at least another Canadian.

As for Mr. Cohen, I find that some of his work is interesting, much is boring and the assertion that his material qualifies him to be of interest in a Dylan newsgroup is not a truth.

Frankly, I'd rather talk about Ferguson - Jenkins or Missouri - and how participants in a Dylan newsgroup can discuss his work and still end up so damned racist.

[The Race Nazi]

On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 2:58:15 PM UTC-4, Just Kidding wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 11:31:59 -0700 (PDT), The Race Nazi
>

> Maybe so, but Diane has been known to disagree with your
> characterizations of her opinions before. Why don't you just let her
> speak for herself?

Maybe she'll check in when she gets back from work. When she confirms what I said we'll see if RR will also call her an idiot.

[Just Kidding]

Probably not. At least she knows how to express an opinion without
being a schmuck (to use your word for it).

[Will Dockery]

On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:42:15 AM UTC-4, The Race Nazi wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 10:44:45 AM UTC-4, really real wrote:
>
> This thread title is an oxymoron. Not only is Cohen not good, he NEVER has been good.

That's absurd.

[Will Dockery]

"really real" wrote in message
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Sent over to the poets and the L.C. newsgroup for some added input.

My view of Leonard Cohen is a lot like Dylan, Lou Reed, The Rolling
Stones... my very favorite Cohen is from around New Skin For An Old Ceremony
and before... his level is as high as Blonde on Blonde for Dylan, New York
for Reed, Let It Bleed for the Stones, just amazing synergy of words, music,
arrangement, vocal imbre.

Later works still hit some great highs but like the others mentioned,
there's that moment where it ALL comes together.

[Janice]

On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 7:44:45 AM UTC-7, really real wrote:
> I'm a big Leonard Cohen fan but I've been disappointed by everything he's done since The Future. He's had some good songs since then, but nothing that has really amazed me.
.
> This new Leonard song just appeared

.

> Almost Like the Blues
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VYXECtjOos

.

> It's kind of interesting but is it any good? Will it stand up to repeated listening? I can't tell from the sound on my laptop if the music is being played life or by some machine.

Well... compare it to this one...

Why Don't You Try (1974)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwxp2O8Apco

or this

Take This Longing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqVvNpcX5HQ

The voice is not the same, but we don't care about that. As for the songs themselves, I think he is one of the great songwriters of all time, but I am of the opinion that his greatest songs were written before The Future (my personal taste). I have no problem with the idea that he writes his music for and about his lovers. He's not the only one to do that. Personally, two of the songs he's written qualify in my Top Ten all-time best songs...

Joan of Arc (from Songs of Love and Hate)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPf5Ki9ygVY

Bird on a Wire (from Songs From a Room)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4OF5tdIdV8


~`~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
this guy :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDHmmoJ_lOc

[marcus]

It's kinda weird how that happens.

It took me many years to realize that some right-wingers can identify with The Beatles. I think I understand, but sometimes I don't.

As for Cohen...I'm not a big fan, but I have no hang-ups about his voice. Admittedly, I own few albums by him. I know I own "Ladies Man".

[JD Chase]

Robert Christgau can be an impossibly nasty and cranky critic, but I agree with him that Cohen has most "intimate" voice in music... It's hard to say whhat my favorite album of his is... I love his early albums, as well as "I'm your man", "The Future" and "10 new songs"... and he is phenominal to see live... he puts so much of his heart and soul into the songs...

[The Race Nazi]

On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 5:46:52 PM UTC-4, JD Chase wrote:

> Robert Christgau can be an impossibly nasty and cranky critic, but I agree with him that Cohen has most "intimate" voice in music... It's hard to say whhat my favorite album of his is... I love his early albums, as well as "I'm your man", "The Future" and "10 new songs"... and he is phenominal to see live... he puts so much of his heart and soul into the songs...

Thank you, Mr. White.

Do you think Linda Jones put her heart and soul into this record as well as Cohen does?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY7fZ95XfMY

[Will Dockery]

"Just Walkin'" <kens...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:60f7c957-3d9e-4ecc...@googlegroups.com...

>
> Frankly, I'd rather talk about Ferguson - Jenkins or Missouri - and how
> participants in a Dylan newsgroup can discuss his work and still end up so
> damned racist.

I have no idea how many, if any Dylan fans here are racist, what's the
evidence on that?

Also, I'm not sure if there's a thread here discussing the troubles in
Ferguson Missouri, although there's been a bit on the poetry newsgroups

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.arts.poetry.comments/-r5zxfKFOj4/bAGmGXO297YJ

and locally, a very slight amount... which brings me to an interesting and
disturbing incident that happened here in Columbus Georgia last spring, a
young man was shot in the back and killed as he was running away from polce.
Little, or no, national coverage of this seems to have surfaced, then or
now.

Here's some excerpts of discussion of that along with the main details of
this killing...

Last spring we had a local incident, that as far as I know, gained no
national attention. I really don't deal much with politics, but I feel that
the events that happened here (a man shot in the back by police) were
disturbingly similar to the Ferguson events, except almost zero protest.

Check it out, don't just take my word for it.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/columbus-ga/T19JV5I9FEEMKKDE0

Excessive force? CSU shooting will be judged by precedents on police
shootings

Apr 2, 2014 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Ledger-Enquirer.com
ROBIN TRIMARCHI rtrim...@ledger-enquirer.com The Columbus State University
Police Department headquarters is located at East Lindsey Drive on main
campus.

Columbus Insider: You cannot justify shooting a fleeing person in the back
when they had not committed a violent crime and their only crime was being
in possession of a firearm in a place they shouldn't have been.

David: CSU police are wrong in this shooting.
You just cannot gun someone down for running away from you, there are rules
for using deadly force and fleeing, even with a handgun, is not one of them

Debbie: Saw this on the news here and they said he was shot in the back.
Hard to point a gun at a cop when you back is to them.
This persons only crime was being in possession of a gun in a place where he
wasn't supposed to be and then was trying to run away, hardly a reason to be
shot down in the back.

Columbus Insider: Is the GBI investigating this? I sure hope this doesn't
get swept under the rug.
I wonder why the race industry has moved on it yet? Where is Sharpton,
Jackson and the rest?

More on this story here:
http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/2014/04/01/3034748/university-identifies-sgt-ben.html

=====================================================================

"...The man a Columbus State University police sergeant fatally shot Sunday
afternoon had a loaded pistol as three CSU officers chased and ordered him
to stop, the university disclosed Tuesday.

Sgt. Ben Scott, a veteran officer with CSU and the Columbus Police
Department, shot and killed Zikarious Jaquan Flint after a student reported
seeing someone loading a handgun while sitting in a gazebo near the
Courtyard 1 apartments on the main campus, according to the university.

Flint was shot twice -- once in the back and once in the back of the neck --
according to the Muscogee County Coroner. Flint, 20, was not a CSU
student..."
================================================

Read more here:
http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/2014/04/01/3034748/university-identifies-sgt-ben.html#storylink=cpy

This has alreaddy passed and been apparently swept under the rug now, but it
sure is puzzling how the media seemed to not even have a clue about this
one.

[Will Dockery]

On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 5:12:44 PM UTC-4, marcus wrote:
>
> It took me many years to realize that some right-wingers can identify with The Beatles.

I guess I'm off that loop, how do these right-wingers "identify" with The Beatles?

[BobbyM]

Wouldn't this be a pathetic world if everyone thought alike & even went
so far as to have the same taste in music?

Jones has better pipes than Cohen, but then so does Christina Aguilera
but I can't truly determine that she's putting her heart & soul into the
song or just putting on an act - after all, in your opinion, singers are
craftsmen, not artists. Granted, she does do a lot of screaming but so
did Jamie Lee Curtis in Halloween. The novelty wears off quickly on
Jones' version of "For Your Precious Love". It gets boring quickly,
especially with the long-winded, fast talking raps. I can listen to the
original & Oscar Toney Jr's version repeatedly; even Spyder Turner's
version is better than this piece of rap crap.

[The Race Nazi]

Why not? Chris Christie's favorite artist is Springsteen, he's seen him live something like 70 times I think.

You don't have to agree with someone's politics to like and identify with their music.

[JD Chase]

To take the right wing identification with the Beatles to an extreme example, I still remember reading an interview in Musician magazine in the early 90's with former KKK member David Duke, who said that he was a Big Beatles fan because he just loved the music, and didn't care too much about the lyrics. He pointed out that the love songs were non political... He also said his favorite album was "The White album", and of course he was then asked if he loved the album because of the title, and he denied that was so...

[BobbyM]

FWIW, the title of that album was not "The White Album". Now, if Duke
had responded, "Who do you think first called it that?", that may have
been newsworthy.

[BobbyM]

Replace "was" with "is" in the first sentence. AFAIK, it still isn't
titled "The White Album".

[The Race Nazi]

I think most whites agree with you. The Linda Jones record is too over the top for them. The record is one of the most requested oldies though, with black listeners, on radio shows like this:

In 1986, Felix introduced Rhythm Revue, New York's first radio show devoted exclusively to "classic" soul and R&B. It premiered on WBGO. It also aired on New York stations WTJM (Jammin'105) and KISS-FM.

In 1991, Felix did his first Rhythm Revue Dance Party at Tramps in New York City. The party outgrew Tramps and moved to the Roseland Ballroom, where it's been held since 1992. Felix's mix of classic soul, disco and funk consistently draws a crowd of 2,500 to 3,500 dancers.

In addition to the regular dance parties, Felix hosts a series of free dances at various parks in New York City during the summer months. These events are free and open to the public, and are sponsored by the City Parks Foundation.
Felix has dedicated much of his time to community and fundraising events, most recently a dance to raise funds for Haiti earthquake relief.

Felix Hernandez's Rhythm Revue radio show, now in its 26th year on New York radio, is heard every Saturday 10am-2pm on WBGO-FM.

Felix lives in New York with his wife and children. He's a graduate of Temple University in Philadelphia. His parents met at a dance.

[DianeE]

"really real" <dfr...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:843911fe-9a2b-4820...@googlegroups.com...

> I'm a big Leonard Cohen fan but I've been disappointed by everything he's
> done since The Future. He's had some good songs since then, but nothing
> that has really amazed me.
>

> This new Leonard song just appeared
>

> Almost Like the Blues
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VYXECtjOos
>

> It's kind of interesting but is it any good? Will it stand up to repeated
> listening? I can't tell from the sound on my laptop if the music is being
> played life or by some machine.

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ARGH. Horrible, pretentious garbage. His voice is worse than Tom Waits'.
I got through a minute of this video and that was it.

DianeE

[DianeE]

"Will Dockery" <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I'd rather listen to *you* than him. (Just listened to "Chattahoochie
Sunset" in its entirety. NO CONTEST. Only able to tolerate 1 minute of the
Cohen song.)

DianeE

[marcus]

On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 6:52:20 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:

Somehow, they manage to turn a blind eye to the anti-war, peace and love aspects of The Beatles' catalog. They also tend to not like the psychedelic stuff. Mostly, they like the early Beatles when they were the loveable moptops and weren't controversial. They ignore the rest.

On the one hand, it's testimony to the music of The Beatles that it gives pleasure to many different kinds of people, but it's also a bit creepy. Somehow conservative Republicans and Tea-baggers turn a blind eye to Lennon and his peace initiatives.

I guess "Imagine" must have a good beat and they can dance to it.

[marcus]

Yes, it was simply called "The Beatles".

[BobbyM]

Over the top has little to do with it. I simply don't find the vocal or
the arrangement entertaining. Her rapping sounds like a poor imitation
of Tina Turner, which is where Jones or her producer probably got the
idea. If I want to hear an entertaining rap with a song I'll put on
Isaac Hayes or Millie Jackson.

The record is one of the most requested oldies
> though, with black listeners, on radio shows like this:

Can you provide evidence that it's one of the most requested oldies? As
posted, your promotion of a radio show has nothing to do with the
subject at hand.

[The Race Nazi]

On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:45:01 PM UTC-4, marcus wrote:
>
> Somehow, they manage to turn a blind eye to the anti-war, peace and love aspects of The Beatles' catalog.

I turn a blind eye to those things also, and I am not a Republican.

Why would I give a fuck about a musician's politics?

[The Race Nazi]

On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:55:14 PM UTC-4, BobbyM wrote:
>
>
> Over the top has little to do with it. I simply don't find the vocal or
> the arrangement entertaining.

Yes, as I said, most whites (including Diane) don't.

> Her rapping sounds like a poor imitation of Tina Turner, which is where Jones or her producer probably got the idea.

I would think the idea came from the Oscar Toney version, which has the same rap at the start.

> If I want to hear an entertaining rap with a song I'll put on
> Isaac Hayes or Millie Jackson.

But they can't sing like Linda.

> The record is one of the most requested oldies though, with black listeners, on radio shows like this:
>
> Can you provide evidence that it's one of the most requested oldies?

I heard him count down his 50 most requested songs once and that was in the top 10. I don't think I can point you anywhere on the internet to confirm that though.

[BobbyM]

[BobbyM]

On 8/21/2014 10:00 AM, The Race Nazi wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:55:14 PM UTC-4, BobbyM wrote:
>>
>>
>> Over the top has little to do with it. I simply don't find the
>> vocal or the arrangement entertaining.
>
> Yes, as I said, most whites (including Diane) don't.
>
>> Her rapping sounds like a poor imitation of Tina Turner, which is
>> where Jones or her producer probably got the idea.
>
> I would think the idea came from the Oscar Toney version, which has
> the same rap at the start.

No denying she lifted the opening sequence from Toney but her record was
released a lot closer to the time of Proud Mary than Toney's version of
FYPL. And Toney's rap was slow; hers is much faster, similar to parts
of Turner's though even faster through much of it.

>
>> If I want to hear an entertaining rap with a song I'll put on Isaac
>> Hayes or Millie Jackson.
>
> But they can't sing like Linda.
>
>> The record is one of the most requested oldies though, with black
>> listeners, on radio shows like this:
>>
>> Can you provide evidence that it's one of the most requested
>> oldies?
>
> I heard him count down his 50 most requested songs once and that was
> in the top 10. I don't think I can point you anywhere on the internet
> to confirm that though.

How many different people & over what period does a song have to be
requested to make it into his top 10? Any evidence it's one of the most
requested oldies on other shows, as you would lead us to believe?

[The Race Nazi]

On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 9:25:05 PM UTC-4, BobbyM wrote:
>
> How many different people & over what period does a song have to be
> requested to make it into his top 10?

I don't know. But he has a huge listenership and does regular dances at Roseland which draw 3,000 people.

> Any evidence it's one of the most requested oldies on other shows, as you would lead us to believe?

My friend Frankie C. had oldies shows on 3 different black stations in the Carolinas in the 80s and 90s and it was also one of his most requested songs.

[DianeE]

"DianeE" <Tired...@SorryFolks.com> wrote in message
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Listened to "Chattahoochie Sunset" a second time. That's 8 minutes of you
vs. 1 minute of Cohen, and I could probably listen to your song several more
times, in fact it's kind of growing on me.

Leonard Cohen is one of those love-him-or-hate-him artists, and I'm firmly
in the latter camp; his singing makes my skin crawl.

DianeE

[DianeE]

"BobbyM" <massey...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:lt38uo$pc$1...@dont-email.me...

> ....The novelty wears off quickly on [Linda] Jones' version of "For Your

> Precious Love". It gets boring quickly, especially with the long-winded,
> fast talking raps. I can listen to the original & Oscar Toney Jr's
> version repeatedly; even Spyder Turner's version is better than this piece
> of rap crap.

-------------------
Garnet Mimms.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISDWz_bCXsQ

Otis Redding.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjISISGyz1A

Couldn't find Jerry Butler's remake. Used to have it on a "Greatest Hits"
cassette. Wasn't a patch on the original, though.

DianeE

[DianeE]

"marcus" <marc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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The funny thing to me is that "Imagine" is kind of an atheist
anthem--imagine there's no heaven, no hell below....imagine no
religions--and yet people take it as a religious song.

DianeE

[RichL]

"DianeE" <Tired...@SorryFolks.com> wrote in message

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Hmmm. I've never known anyone who took it as a religious song.

[DianeE]

"The Race Nazi" <Sav...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> Diane is a big fan of lyrics and she hates Cohen at least as much as I do.
>
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I am NOT a "big fan of lyrics." Unlike you, I *enjoy* lyrics. Stupid
lyrics can also *ruin* a song for me. But I can't think of a single song
I've ever heard where the lyrics *alone* made me like the song.
With Leonard Cohen, his voice is so unpleasant that I can't even focus on
the lyrics.
DianeE

[DianeE]

"RichL" <rple...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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That's cause you don't know a lot of dumb, pious people.

DianeE

[JD Chase]

I love Cohen's own renditions, but there also many marvelous cover versions of his songs, Imo... Joe Cocker's version of "Bird on a wire" for example, and Judy Collins' and Ritchie Havens' versions of "priests", and Jennifer Warnes' album of Cohen songs, as well....

[RichL]

"DianeE" <Tired...@SorryFolks.com> wrote in message

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Do too! But all the dumb, pious people I know consider "Imagine" to be
proof that Lennon was a subversive commie who wanted to single-handedly take
down the good ol' USA.

[DianeE]

"RichL" <rple...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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I've heard a Catholic priest quote it in a sermon--and *not* as an example
of the devil's music, either!

DianeE

[DianeE]

"DianeE" <Tired...@SorryFolks.com> wrote in message

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I think that last paragraph was unclear. At some point in the late 60s or
early 70s Jerry Butler re-recorded the song, obviously without The
Impressions, and it was this version which was included on this "Jerry
Butler's Greatest Hits" cassette I used to have.

DianeE

[Just Kidding]

On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 18:31:36 -0700 (PDT), The Race Nazi
<Sav...@aol.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 9:25:05 PM UTC-4, BobbyM wrote:
>>
>> How many different people & over what period does a song have to be
>> requested to make it into his top 10?
>
>I don't know. But he has a huge listenership and does regular dances at Roseland which draw 3,000 people.

Really? I assume you're talking about the Roseland Ballroom? The one
that closed last April.

[Just Kidding]

Because you're a social human being who's part of a community and
who's interested in hearing other people's viewpoints about political
matters that affect that community even if you don't necessarily agree
with them? Didn't thinks so.

[The Race Nazi]

He's got some new place now.

BEST BUY THEATER
Broadway & 44th St.
Times Sq., NYC
9PM - 3AM

http://www.classicsoul.com/

[The Race Nazi]

But why would some musician have an opinion that I would care about? Guys like John Lennon and Bob Dylan were not exactly brain surgeons or even scholars. I might as well ask my plumber.

If I want political opinions I'll watch serious discussions about them. Not get them through song lyrics.

[The Race Nazi]

> BEST BUY THEATER
> Broadway & 44th St.
> Times Sq., NYC
> 9PM - 3AM

http://www.classicsoul.com/RRDP%20CROWD%20SHOT%204.gif

[M. Rick]

> Hmmm. I've never known anyone who took it as a religious song.

Plenty of themes in common with religion, particularly the appeal to brotherhood.

[Just Walkin']

> I have no idea how many, if any Dylan fans here are racist, what's the evidence on that?

Hey there Will. The evidence is in the threads themselves. Everything from cultural insularity and chauvinism to the Kiplingesque "white men's burden." Some of it is obvious; some of it cloaked in liberalism. Sadly, a lot of right wingers also identify with Bob as well as evidenced by the right wing Bob web site.

> and locally, a very slight amount... which brings me to an interesting and disturbing incident that happened here in Columbus Georgia last spring, a young man was shot in the back and killed as he was running away from polce. Little, or no, national coverage of this seems to have surfaced, then or now.

Unfortunately, in many respects, the black community of the south, especially Georgia, is under the boot heel of both a racist law enforcement system and the cheek-turning African American church. At one time the aggregate Reverends led he struggle for civil rights. Now they act as a huge restraint, holding back the tide of rage that drives progress to hold their place in line. Not so in Missouri.

At least that's the view from here...

[M. Rick]

> Leonard Cohen is one of those love-him-or-hate-him artists, and I'm firmly in the latter camp; his singing makes my skin crawl.

I'm sure that will have an enormous impact on how people hear Leonard Cohen's music.

[really real]

> Leonard Cohen is one of those love-him-or-hate-him artists, and I'm firmly
> in the latter camp; his singing makes my skin crawl.

That's exactly what people say about Dylan. And what you find skin crawling about Cohen is what a lot of people find appealing.

But Leonard was a poet before he started singing. Suzanne was written as a poem first. However, if someone doesn't like literature or lyrics, I can see why they might not like Leonard Cohen's songs.

I've always assumed that the people here are Dylan fans, and that Dylan fans love Dylan's lyrics. However, I've learned that I am projecting. Some people here might just like Dylan's mustache or his cover songs, or his tv commercials.

[Just Kidding]

On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 21:11:54 -0700 (PDT), The Race Nazi

We've been down this road before. What makes you think you have to be
a brain surgeon or a scholar to have a political opinion worth
hearing? Musicians don't necessarily have such opinions, but the only
you'll ever find out is by listening to them. That doesn't mean you
have to listen to the opinion of every musician in the world, but if
you stumble across one that sounds interesting why not give it a shot?
Same goes for plumbers and old DJs.

[The Race Nazi]

On Thursday, August 21, 2014 12:57:37 AM UTC-4, Just Kidding wrote:
>
> We've been down this road before. What makes you think you have to be
> a brain surgeon or a scholar to have a political opinion worth
> hearing? Musicians don't necessarily have such opinions, but the only
> you'll ever find out is by listening to them. That doesn't mean you
> have to listen to the opinion of every musician in the world, but if
> you stumble across one that sounds interesting why not give it a shot?
> Same goes for plumbers and old DJs.

First off, I listen to music to get away from thinking about the rest of the world. I have no interest in lyrics at all. Like I said, if I do want to pay attention to a certain issue I will get my info from a serious dialogue on the issue, not by sifting through what every schmuck musician has to say in their songs.

[BobbyM]

Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows that the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight was fixed
The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
That's how it goes
Everybody knows
---
And everybody knows that it's now or never
Everybody knows that it's me or you
And everybody knows that you live forever
Ah when you've done a line or two
Everybody knows the deal is rotten
Old Black Joe's still pickin' cotton
For your ribbons and bows
And everybody knows
-------------------------
Unfortunately, there are many here among us who don't know.

[Dr_dudley]

On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 10:44:45 AM UTC-4, really real wrote:

> I'm a big Leonard Cohen fan but I've been disappointed by everything he's done since The Future. He's had some good songs since then, but nothing that has really amazed me.
>
>
>
> This new Leonard song just appeared
>
>
>
> Almost Like the Blues
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VYXECtjOos
>
>
>
> It's kind of interesting but is it any good? Will it stand up to repeated listening? I can't tell from the sound on my laptop if the music is being played life or by some machine.

Leonard Cohen Recites God Is Alive, Magic Is Afoot
http:/www.youtube.com/watch?v=3enVT53yDLM

God Is Alive Magic Is Afoot Buffy Sainte-Marie
http:/www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhmeroR20lc

HTH,
rdd

[really real]

>
> First off, I listen to music to get away from thinking about the rest of the world. I have no interest in lyrics at all. Like I said, if I do want to pay attention to a certain issue I will get my info from a serious dialogue on the issue, not by sifting through what every schmuck musician has to say in their songs.

Well, Mr Shuck 'n' Jive Negroes Can Sing and Dance,

The way you act around here, flouting a name like Race Nazi, perhaps it's best for all of us that you don't like thinking about the world. For those of us whose heads are not in the ground, however, learning from the wisdom of the best thinkers and writers is very important. Poets and great songwriters can often express things that clarify our own thinking. Dylan and Cohen are like that for us. Did anyone ever learn anything from a James Brown song?

[really real]

> Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
>
> Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
>
> Everybody knows that the war is over
>
> Everybody knows the good guys lost
>
> Everybody knows the fight was fixed
>
> The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
>
> That's how it goes
>
> Everybody knows
>
> ---
>
> And everybody knows that it's now or never
>
> Everybody knows that it's me or you
>
> And everybody knows that you live forever
>
> Ah when you've done a line or two
>
> Everybody knows the deal is rotten
>
> Old Black Joe's still pickin' cotton
>
> For your ribbons and bows
>
> And everybody knows
>
> -------------------------
>
> Unfortunately, there are many here among us who don't know.

Yes, they think that life is just a joke

[DianeE]

"really real" <dfr...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:5bb51a03-ddce-4170...@googlegroups.com...

-----------
Right. But you and I, we've been through that. These lyrics are
emotionally resonant. I've read them before, and I still enjoy reading
them, but that doesn't make me want to listen to them being sung. Good
lyrics don't add up to a good song, much less a good recording.

DianeE

[DianeE]

"really real" <dfr...@shaw.ca> wrote in message

news:fd32d622-9abe-4f3c...@googlegroups.com...

---------------
Absolutely, fool. Absolutely. Not necessarily from the lyrics, though.

DianeE

[DianeE]

"M. Rick" <insomn...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:60ac076b-dc0f-4f52...@googlegroups.com...

------------
I'm not fucking *trying* to have an impact. I'm just expressing my personal
feelings. I thought that was the point of the thread, soliciting other
people's opinions about Leonard Cohen.
I know mine is a minority opinion in this group. All the more reason to
express it, just so "everybody knows" that not everybody loves this guy's
work.

DianeE

[marcus]

On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:56:10 PM UTC-4, The Race Nazi wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:45:01 PM UTC-4, marcus wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Somehow, they manage to turn a blind eye to the anti-war, peace and love aspects of The Beatles' catalog.
>
>
>
> I turn a blind eye to those things also, and I am not a Republican.
>
>
>
> Why would I give a fuck about a musician's politics?

They reflected many of their fans' politics and sensibilities.

But, damn....you'd have to listen to the lyrics to understand that, and as we all know...

[marcus]

On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 10:13:45 PM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:
> "marcus" <> wrote in message

>
> news:7bcbb42c-bdf3-444a...@googlegroups.com...
>
> On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 6:52:20 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 5:12:44 PM UTC-4, marcus wrote:
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > It took me many years to realize that some right-wingers can identify
>
> > > with The Beatles.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I guess I'm off that loop, how do these right-wingers "identify" with The
>
> > Beatles?
>
>
>

> Somehow, they manage to turn a blind eye to the anti-war, peace and love
>

> aspects of The Beatles' catalog. They also tend to not like the psychedelic
>
> stuff. Mostly, they like the early Beatles when they were the loveable
>
> moptops and weren't controversial. They ignore the rest.
>
>
>
> On the one hand, it's testimony to the music of The Beatles that it gives
>
> pleasure to many different kinds of people, but it's also a bit creepy.
>
> Somehow conservative Republicans and Tea-baggers turn a blind eye to Lennon
>
> and his peace initiatives.
>
>
>
> I guess "Imagine" must have a good beat and they can dance to it.
>
> ---------------
>
> The funny thing to me is that "Imagine" is kind of an atheist
>
> anthem--imagine there's no heaven, no hell below....imagine no
>

> religions--and yet people take it as a religious song.
>
>
>
> DianeE

I've never taken it as a religious song, and I'm not sure that many people do.

In fact, it is a humanist song, and came under attack from Falwell and others of his ilk.

[marcus]

On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:39:50 PM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:

>
> >>>> The funny thing to me is that "Imagine" is kind of an atheist
>
> >>>> anthem--imagine there's no heaven, no hell below....imagine no
>
> >>>> religions--and yet people take it as a religious song.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Hmmm. I've never known anyone who took it as a religious song.
>
> >> ----------------
>
> >> That's cause you don't know a lot of dumb, pious people.
>
> >
>
> > Do too! But all the dumb, pious people I know consider "Imagine" to be
>
> > proof that Lennon was a subversive commie who wanted to single-handedly
>
> > take down the good ol' USA.
>
> ----------------
>
> I've heard a Catholic priest quote it in a sermon--and *not* as an example
>
> of the devil's music, either!
>
>
>
> DianeE

There was no mass impression that it was a religious song, and in fact it was considered just the opposite by Christian Fundamentalists...like the guy who killed Lennon.

[really real]

> I'm not fucking *trying* to have an impact. I'm just expressing my personal
> feelings. I thought that was the point of the thread, soliciting other
> people's opinions about Leonard Cohen.
>

Actually, the point of the thread was to find out what people thought of Leonard's new song. I wasn't thinking the Leonard haters would bother to respond. I wasn't even thinking there was Leonard haters. Silly me

[really real]

> There was no mass impression that it was a religious song, and in fact it was considered just the opposite by Christian Fundamentalists...like the guy who killed Lennon.

I thought the guy who killed Lennon did so because he thought Lennon had gone soft with his new music and wasn't writing strong songs like Imagine anymore

I never knew anyone who thought Imagine was a religious song, but I do know people who thought it was a peace song without thinking through the Marxism in the song.

[The Race Nazi]

On Thursday, August 21, 2014 5:32:03 AM UTC-4, really real wrote:
>
> The way you act around here, flouting a name like Race Nazi,

Hey, talk to Rich L., he gave me the name.

> Did anyone ever learn anything from a James Brown song?

Of course, we learned how to feel good.

[gj]

Like many other things, it's a well organized dance. Keep them
hungry, keep them struggling, force them to be niggaz, when they crack
incarcerate them for playing the only role offered and call them
thugs. Oh look! Over there! Immigrants! Good thing we can all
open-carry now eh? Let's all go in together and start up a private
prison and make some money.

Oh, on that subject, did you hear about the 60+ yr old woman shot and
killed in Helen GA when... well, this:
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/texas-woman-68-idd-as-helen-shooting-victim/ng4zs/

I was camping that day about 10 miles away with mine and another
family. It was discussed we should pop in to Helen for a late lunch
and we decided not to. In GA saying 'guess I dodged that bullet' is
now literal.



-GJ 2.0

[Just Walkin']

Howdy GJ. Like the 2.0. Pray tell, what are some of the features of this latest revision?

As for dodging bullets and the like: It's been said that if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. In that vein, I suppose you could also say give a man (LE or otherwise) assault rifles and heavy ordnance, and everyone looks like the enemy.

And now black helicopters have been circling my town, 3 nights in a row. Somewhere along the way, we must have become a nation of enemies.

I wonder where all the songs went?

[nate]

On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 10:13:45 PM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:
>
> The funny thing to me is that "Imagine" is kind of an atheist
> anthem--imagine there's no heaven, no hell below....imagine no
> religions--and yet people take it as a religious song.
>

> DianeE

Just to clarify - wouldn't be more accurate to say that they take it religiously, with all the solemnity and ceremonial character?

- nate

[gj]

On Thu, 21 Aug 2014 07:31:44 -0700 (PDT), "Just Walkin'"
<kens...@comcast.net> wrote:

>Howdy GJ. Like the 2.0. Pray tell, what are some of the features of this latest revision?

There are many, including but not limited to- a much better BS filter
and a lack of desire to involve myself in frivolous activities, this
place being an obvious exception. Ran up on some old posts from the
90's and thought 'hmm, that's not me at all'.

>
>As for dodging bullets and the like: It's been said that if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. In that vein, I suppose you could also say give a man (LE or otherwise) assault rifles and heavy ordnance, and everyone looks like the enemy.

Imagine if we overhauled our education system.

>
>And now black helicopters have been circling my town, 3 nights in a row. Somewhere along the way, we must have become a nation of enemies.

As you know, it's by design, it's the WHY that I can't figure out.

>
>I wonder where all the songs went?

When there's something to sing about they'll return. Not in our
lifetime, but before the Morelocks.



-GJ 2.0

[gj]

On Thu, 21 Aug 2014 11:24:18 -0400, gj <geminij...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 21 Aug 2014 07:31:44 -0700 (PDT), "Just Walkin'"
><kens...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>Howdy GJ. Like the 2.0. Pray tell, what are some of the features of this latest revision?

A better, shorter answer: I used to care, but....

-GJ 2.0

[Weatherman]

Was he ever good?

[Will Dockery]

On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 9:48:52 PM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:
>
> > -------------
>
> > I'd rather listen to *you* than him. (Just listened to "Chattahoochie
> > Sunset" in its entirety. NO CONTEST. Only able to tolerate 1 minute of
> > the Cohen song.)
>
> -----------------
>
> Listened to "Chattahoochie Sunset" a second time. That's 8 minutes of you
vs. 1 minute of Cohen, and I could probably listen to your song several more
> times, in fact it's kind of growing on me.

Wow, thank you for listening, and for such high praise, glad you liked that one!

> Leonard Cohen is one of those love-him-or-hate-him artists, and I'm firmly
> in the latter camp; his singing makes my skin crawl.

I loved Leonard Cohen's songs such as "So Long, Marianne". "Famous Blue Raincoat" and those of that "folk rock" period, where he was very much what I'd call "Dylanesque"... I have read that many people find Cohen's songs "depressing", I even think the word "suicide" was jokingly applied... to them I say listen to Lou Reed's "Berlin" for some off the edge depressive-aggressive songs...

--
Truck Stop Woman on iTunes jukebox:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/truck-stop-woman/id770737542?i=770737579&ign-mpt=uo%3D4

[The Race Nazi]

On Thursday, August 21, 2014 1:33:59 PM UTC-4, ezrapound wrote:
> Was he ever good?

Nope.

[gj]

Just had my first listen. Overall, I like it. I also enjoy listening
to an artist that's old as hell and they don't begin to play it safe
in case there's a heaven. This isn't his best but it's far from his
worst IMO. Lyrically it's kind of sparse but very to the point,
reminds me a bit of A Thousand Kisses Deep, nothing fancy but not bad.

-GJ 2.0

[Will Dockery]

"Just Walkin'" <kens...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:50015471-bf5b-4dae...@googlegroups.com...

> I have no idea how many, if any Dylan fans here are racist, what's the
> evidence on that?

Hey there Will. The evidence is in the threads themselves. Everything from
cultural insularity and chauvinism to the Kiplingesque "white men's burden."
Some of it is obvious; some of it cloaked in liberalism. Sadly, a lot of
right wingers also identify with Bob as well as evidenced by the right wing
Bob web site.

> and locally, a very slight amount... which brings me to an interesting and
> disturbing incident that happened here in Columbus Georgia last spring, a
> young man was shot in the back and killed as he was running away from
> polce. Little, or no, national coverage of this seems to have surfaced,
> then or now.

Unfortunately, in many respects, the black community of the south,
especially Georgia, is under the boot heel of both a racist law enforcement
system and the cheek-turning African American church. At one time the
aggregate Reverends led he struggle for civil rights. Now they act as a huge
restraint, holding back the tide of rage that drives progress to hold their
place in line. Not so in Missouri.

At least that's the view from here...

*** Your view could very well be the accurate one, also with the dog days of
summer on us and regularly topping 100 degrees down here, we may all just be
too hot to fight!

[Just Walkin']

I just love my Georgia cousins. Stay cool y'all!

[RichL]

"The Race Nazi" <Sav...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:962aaf44-cdf1-490b...@googlegroups.com...

> On Thursday, August 21, 2014 5:32:03 AM UTC-4, really real wrote:
>>
>> The way you act around here, flouting a name like Race Nazi,
>
> Hey, talk to Rich L., he gave me the name.

It wasn't intended to be flattering. Of course everyone knows that but you.

[RichL]

"DianeE" <Tired...@SorryFolks.com> wrote in message
news:ZvadnYllpuiY92jO...@giganews.com...
>
> "RichL" <rple...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:peWdnZdLDdOCwGjO...@supernews.com...
>> "DianeE" <Tired...@SorryFolks.com> wrote in message
>> news:VLOdnSOsZIiNx2jO...@giganews.com...
>>>
>>> "RichL" <rple...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:EfWdnaNHK-_GymjO...@supernews.com...
>>>> "DianeE" <Tired...@SorryFolks.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:WaGdnSaE7IhQyGjO...@giganews.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> "marcus" <marc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:7bcbb42c-bdf3-444a...@googlegroups.com...
>>>>> On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 6:52:20 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 5:12:44 PM UTC-4, marcus wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > It took me many years to realize that some right-wingers can
>>>>>> > identify with The Beatles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess I'm off that loop, how do these right-wingers "identify" with
>>>>>> The Beatles?
>>>>>
>>>>> Somehow, they manage to turn a blind eye to the anti-war, peace and
>>>>> love aspects of The Beatles' catalog. They also tend to not like the
>>>>> psychedelic stuff. Mostly, they like the early Beatles when they were
>>>>> the loveable moptops and weren't controversial. They ignore the rest.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the one hand, it's testimony to the music of The Beatles that it
>>>>> gives pleasure to many different kinds of people, but it's also a bit
>>>>> creepy. Somehow conservative Republicans and Tea-baggers turn a blind
>>>>> eye to Lennon and his peace initiatives.
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess "Imagine" must have a good beat and they can dance to it.
>>>>> ---------------

>>>>> The funny thing to me is that "Imagine" is kind of an atheist
>>>>> anthem--imagine there's no heaven, no hell below....imagine no
>>>>> religions--and yet people take it as a religious song.
>>>>

>>>> Hmmm. I've never known anyone who took it as a religious song.
>>> ----------------
>>> That's cause you don't know a lot of dumb, pious people.
>>
>> Do too! But all the dumb, pious people I know consider "Imagine" to be
>> proof that Lennon was a subversive commie who wanted to single-handedly
>> take down the good ol' USA.
> ----------------
> I've heard a Catholic priest quote it in a sermon--and *not* as an example
> of the devil's music, either!

"Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try"

I'm guessing not that part! Goes to show what can happen if you don't pay
attention to lyrics ;-)

And actually, I find "Happy Christmas (War Is Over)" to be a much more
emotionally compelling song than Imagine.

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

On Thursday, August 21, 2014 6:52:43 PM UTC-4, RichL wrote:
> "The Race Nazi" <Sav...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:962aaf44-cdf1-490b...@googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Thursday, August 21, 2014 5:32:03 AM UTC-4, really real wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> The way you act around here, flouting a name like Race Nazi,
>
> >
>
> > Hey, talk to Rich L., he gave me the name.
>
>
>
> It wasn't intended to be flattering.

No shit.

[M. Rick]

> I know mine is a minority opinion in this group. All the more reason to express it, just so "everybody knows" that not everybody loves this guy's work.

And here I always believed that everybody loved Leonard Cohen.

[DianeE]

"really real" <dfr...@shaw.ca> wrote in message

news:d9a9d074-6425-4368...@googlegroups.com...

------------
Like Paul Simon said a long time ago, people hearing without listening.

DianeE

[DianeE]

"M. Rick" <insomn...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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--------------
You *would*, if you only allowed people who think in lockstep to post here.

DianeE

[DianeE]

"marcus" <marc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:01ef6e27-50a6-469f...@googlegroups.com...

> On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 10:13:45 PM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:
>>
>> The funny thing to me is that "Imagine" is kind of an atheist
>>
>> anthem--imagine there's no heaven, no hell below....imagine no
>>
>> religions--and yet people take it as a religious song.
>>
>>
>>
>

> I've never taken it as a religious song, and I'm not sure that many people
> do.
>
> In fact, it is a humanist song, and came under attack from Falwell and
> others of his ilk.

---------------
People only hear the feel-good "brotherhood of man" stuff. They filter out
what they don't understand, namely that eliminating religion would (in
Lennon's belief system) leave us with "nothing to kill or die for."
Seriously.

DianeE

[BobbyM]

I have no issue with people who don't like the same music I like. I
fully understand a number of reasons why people don't like Dylan, Waits,
Cohen, and the list goes on - I only list those 3 because they're easy
targets.

I do have an issue with anyone who believes that I should like the same
music they like and try to make me feel guilty and/or label me in some
derogatory fashion for not liking that music, without any evidence to
back that up. Sure, feel free to tell me why I should like the music &
I'll be glad to tell you why I don't or maybe I'll have another listen &
change my mind or maybe you'll change yours & realize that maybe that
music does suck or at least better understand why some people may not
like it. But don't systematically make up your own opinion for why I
don't like it (another word for that is prejudice).

[DianeE]

"RichL" <rple...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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We interrupt this program for an important bulletin.

Someone tell really real that the word is *flaunting*.

To *flout*, as in flout the law, means (more or less) to defy.

To display ostentatiously is to *flaunt*.

We don't have an Academie Francaise to go upside your head for bad English,
but we have me.

DianeE

[DianeE]

"nate" <grey...@net1plus.com> wrote in message
news:918a041d-9e7a-4ac7...@googlegroups.com...

> On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 10:13:45 PM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:
>>
>> The funny thing to me is that "Imagine" is kind of an atheist
>> anthem--imagine there's no heaven, no hell below....imagine no
>> religions--and yet people take it as a religious song.
>>
>

> Just to clarify - wouldn't be more accurate to say that they take it
> religiously, with all the solemnity and ceremonial character?
>

-----------------
Yes, I'd agree with that.

DianeE

[RichL]

"DianeE" <Tired...@SorryFolks.com> wrote in message

news:deqdnXNB_ux2D2vO...@giganews.com...

Well, he was right in a large percentage of cases. There have been (and
still are!) an awful lot of wars fought in the name of religion, or at least
using religion as a pretext.

[M. Rick]

> You *would*, if you only allowed people who think in lockstep to post here.

That would make me a music Nazi, and we already have one of those here.

[Will Dockery]

On Thursday, August 21, 2014 6:51:02 PM UTC-4, Just Walkin' wrote:
> I just love my Georgia cousins. Stay cool y'all!

And remember, we're only a Pawn in their Game (us poor Southern whites, anyhow).

[marcus]

On Thursday, August 21, 2014 7:01:04 PM UTC-4, RichL wrote:

> And actually, I find "Happy Christmas (War Is Over)" to be a much more
>
> emotionally compelling song than Imagine.

Yes, that record was well received. I prefer the original instead of the one often played now with the ending snippet of "Give Peace A Chance" from the One-to-One concert.

Marc


****************************************

http://marccatone.webs.com/onetooneconcert.htm

[marcus]

On Thursday, August 21, 2014 8:46:37 PM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:
> "marcus" <> wrote in message

An exaggeration, but a lot of truth to the idea that religions are often the occasion of wars between them.

The 21st century is chock full of them.

[marcus]

On Thursday, August 21, 2014 8:51:40 PM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:
> "nate" <> wrote in message

Again, I disagree...During the immediate ten year (or so) period after "Imagine was released, criticism was heaped upon it for being anti-religious (mostly from Christian fundamentalists, who were gaining power then).

[chris]

um, i know i'm in the vast minority here, but i like it...not love it, but it's okay. can tell the man is aging, like bob, the voice almost has to be 'spoken' to be used. i'm not a 'backup singer' kinda fan, but leonard has use them and that 'jazz' sound a lot in his work.
i'ze gots lots of Cohen on my shelf, not as much as bob, and not as much as van...but he makes a showing.

[really real]

> um, i know i'm in the vast minority here, but i like it...not love it, but it's okay. can tell the man is aging, like bob, the voice almost has to be 'spoken' to be used. i'm not a 'backup singer' kinda fan, but leonard has use them and that 'jazz' sound a lot in his work.
>
> i'ze gots lots of Cohen on my shelf, not as much as bob, and not as much as van...but he makes a showing.

The vast minority of Cohen haters is just a few people who multipost. Most folks love Leonard

[Will Dockery]

What's not to love about Leonard?

Leonard Cohen did just make my top 100 poets of the last 100 years list, also:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.arts.poetry.comments/MHWofBjCDtQ/Qj800ajPhxYJ