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Will Dockery
Aug 6, 2020, 11:43:12 PM8/6/20
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Sunshine Seventy-Seven
I went and sold some blood
then bought
a big bottle of wine.
Copped some weed
so we could party
and celebrate my new job.
Blind bat getting rowdy
tried to attack Jimmy Green.
He picked up a stick
off the darkened street
smacked the bat down.
While I was over at her house
I helped Galatea
paint her bathroom green.
Powder snow whisked up my nose
to my brain
pizzeria summit meeting.
Then riding all night
delivering pizza.
Feeling the hot dabs
of Summer swelter
and going to bed alone.
I looked into her eyes
in the morning light
as we walked
on the dew covered grass.
The clouds churned white
it seemed like
a hundred years ago.
I had the stoned awareness
there were illustrations
in my thoughts
obviously created by her stare.
Her kisses
could have lasted forever
her eyes
were like two blue stones
my thoughts flew like birds.
On the blood red clay of the bank
we sat
she was sitting behind me
wrapped around me.
I could feel the air
so hot and dry.
The sun swam over the lake
in crimson floods
the clouds were shifting
in orange flashes.
Like golden chains
the clouds cut across the blue sky
my thoughts of her
seemed to freeze my blood.
The day mellowed finally
I wondered when or if
she was ever coming back
it was so silent.
I found that she was gone
told her goodbye on the telephone
as the sun went down
blazing red.
Blue stars sparkled
on the black sky above
as I sat on the corner
smoking my weed.
Wondering how much longer
I would have to wait
waiting for the sky to split.
The night lumbered on
club-footed
I wished she would
come to my window
and lay beside me again.
Her eyes
like blue stones
as my thoughts
flew like birds.
-Will Dockery (July 1977)
======================================
Thanks again for reading and commenting on my poem, Michael Pendragon. I'm moving your review to the stand-alone thread for the poem, and will respond to your critique point-by-point in this thread.
======================================
I went and sold some blood
then bought
a big bottle of wine.
Copped some weed
so we could party
and celebrate my new job.
Blind bat getting rowdy
tried to attack Jimmy Green.
He picked up a stick
off the darkened street
smacked the bat down.
While I was over at her house
I helped Galatea
paint her bathroom green.
Powder snow whisked up my nose
to my brain
pizzeria summit meeting.
Then riding all night
delivering pizza.
Feeling the hot dabs
of Summer swelter
and going to bed alone.
I looked into her eyes
in the morning light
as we walked
on the dew covered grass.
The clouds churned white
it seemed like
a hundred years ago.
I had the stoned awareness
there were illustrations
in my thoughts
obviously created by her stare.
Her kisses
could have lasted forever
her eyes
were like two blue stones
my thoughts flew like birds.
On the blood red clay of the bank
we sat
she was sitting behind me
wrapped around me.
I could feel the air
so hot and dry.
The sun swam over the lake
in crimson floods
the clouds were shifting
in orange flashes.
Like golden chains
the clouds cut across the blue sky
my thoughts of her
seemed to freeze my blood.
The day mellowed finally
I wondered when or if
she was ever coming back
it was so silent.
I found that she was gone
told her goodbye on the telephone
as the sun went down
blazing red.
Blue stars sparkled
on the black sky above
as I sat on the corner
smoking my weed.
Wondering how much longer
I would have to wait
waiting for the sky to split.
The night lumbered on
club-footed
I wished she would
come to my window
and lay beside me again.
Her eyes
like blue stones
as my thoughts
flew like birds.
-Will Dockery (July 1977)
======================================
Thanks again for reading and commenting on my poem, Michael Pendragon. I'm moving your review to the stand-alone thread for the poem, and will respond to your critique point-by-point in this thread.
======================================
Michael Pendragon
Aug 7, 2020, 12:34:52 AM8/7/20
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I've no desire to argue grammar rules and definitions with you.
I've pointed out your errors. (And they will remain errors regardless of how many denials you make, or how many misapplied quotations you manage to google.)
I've done my best to explain *why* they are errors.
It is painfully obvious that you understand neither basic sentence structure, nor a significant portion of the words and phrases that you use.
I often find what appear to be potentially poetic (if somewhat clichéd) passages in your poems -- but they are not only undermined, but totally negated, by the plethora of unintelligible garbage that surrounds them.
You *could* become a real poet (that is to say, you would have a significantly better chance at becoming a real poet) if you took the time and effort to learn proper sentence structure, and to increase your vocabulary to at least a high school level (by which I mean being able to use the words correctly, and not for an approximation of their actual meaning).
I had been urging you to take an online course, but I now think you'll require an actual class with a *lot* of one-on-one help from your teacher. You need to abandon 60+ years' worth of accumulated errors, and start again from scratch. Get rid of all of your preconceived notions as to what is and/or is not a sentence -- they're wrong. Get rid of all your preconceived ideas as to what the words and phrases you use every day in your speech mean -- they're also wrong.
It's easy to get by in daily life speaking in sentence fragments and using the majority of your words incorrectly. People will get the general idea as to what you are saying, and won't bother to stop and give you half a dozen corrections per fragment.
But the rules are different when it comes to being a writer. In order to be a writer, you need to know what words mean and how to use them properly. You don't know either... but you can still learn. If you wish to become a respected writer (as opposed to a 20-year internet running joke), you'll need to learn what the rest of us learned in grammar school, junior high, and high school.
There's no short-cut.
And there's no bluffing your way through it (as you managed to do with your local listing column). Poetry compositions are subject to in-depth examinations. If you haven't first mastered *at least* a high school level of sentence composition and vocabulary, your poetry is not going to make it.
If you're serious -- study and learn.
Will Dockery
Aug 7, 2020, 12:41:14 AM8/7/20
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On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 10:33:16 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > Sunshine Seventy-Seven
> > by Will Dockery
[...]
> 1) It is correct to say that you were "at her house." It is incorrect to say that you were "over at her house." "Over at" is another of those colloquial hillbillyisms that you're fond of incorporating into your work. However, while it is acceptable to have a character speak in hillbillyisms, the narrator only should when
That's my style. I'm a Southern write using a style of writing that reflects that... I just noticed earlier today that Carl Sandburg had a similar problem with critics attacking his style.
Here was one of his responses:
http://www.ashevillepoetryreview.com/2004/issue-14/carl-sandburg-chicago-poems
=================================================
"Carl Sandburg then moves on to defend his poetic style. In his poem, “Style,” he admits for the benefit of Lowell, Frost, and other critics that perhaps his style is “no good,” but he pleads, “don’t take my style away. / It’s my face… / I talk with it, I sing with it, I see, taste and feel with it… / Kill my style… / and you blind Ty Cobb’s batting eye” (24). Harriet Monroe, Sandburg’s original editor at Poetry magazine, champions him in defending his legitimacy:
"One would no more question his sincerity than that of the wind and
rain. His book, whether you like it or not, whether you call it poetry
or not, is fundamental in the same majestic sense — it is a man speaking
with his own voice, authoritatively like any other force of nature..."
"If Sandburg’s use of American idiom engenders an authentic American voice, his diction further powers his uniqueness to the poetic landscape... While other poets such as Williams resort to utilizing colloquial language in their poetry, Sandburg’s use of vernacular imagery is the most effective. His focus on the traditionally marginalized segments of society, combined with both his use of imagery and his reliance upon blue-collar idiom results in a poetic tension unique to American poetry at the time..."
====================================================
So, as Carl Sandburg would say, don't try to take away my style.
;)
>
> > Sunshine Seventy-Seven
> > by Will Dockery
>
> > I went and sold some blood
> > then bought
> > a big bottle of wine.
>
> NOTE: "I sold some blood" is correct. "I went and sold" is, at best, a hillbilly colloquialism.
> > I went and sold some blood
> > then bought
> > a big bottle of wine.
>
[...]
> 1) It is correct to say that you were "at her house." It is incorrect to say that you were "over at her house." "Over at" is another of those colloquial hillbillyisms that you're fond of incorporating into your work. However, while it is acceptable to have a character speak in hillbillyisms, the narrator only should when
That's my style. I'm a Southern write using a style of writing that reflects that... I just noticed earlier today that Carl Sandburg had a similar problem with critics attacking his style.
Here was one of his responses:
http://www.ashevillepoetryreview.com/2004/issue-14/carl-sandburg-chicago-poems
=================================================
"Carl Sandburg then moves on to defend his poetic style. In his poem, “Style,” he admits for the benefit of Lowell, Frost, and other critics that perhaps his style is “no good,” but he pleads, “don’t take my style away. / It’s my face… / I talk with it, I sing with it, I see, taste and feel with it… / Kill my style… / and you blind Ty Cobb’s batting eye” (24). Harriet Monroe, Sandburg’s original editor at Poetry magazine, champions him in defending his legitimacy:
"One would no more question his sincerity than that of the wind and
rain. His book, whether you like it or not, whether you call it poetry
or not, is fundamental in the same majestic sense — it is a man speaking
with his own voice, authoritatively like any other force of nature..."
"If Sandburg’s use of American idiom engenders an authentic American voice, his diction further powers his uniqueness to the poetic landscape... While other poets such as Williams resort to utilizing colloquial language in their poetry, Sandburg’s use of vernacular imagery is the most effective. His focus on the traditionally marginalized segments of society, combined with both his use of imagery and his reliance upon blue-collar idiom results in a poetic tension unique to American poetry at the time..."
====================================================
So, as Carl Sandburg would say, don't try to take away my style.
;)
Michael Pendragon
Aug 7, 2020, 10:04:10 AM8/7/20
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Mark Twain utilized colloquialisms as a means of delineating his characters' social caste. But Mark Twain could, and did, write in perfect English when appropriate.
If you wish to have the characters in your poem speak in vernacular, that's fine.
If you want to compose your entire poems in vernacular, that's fine too -- so long as the *speaker* is also a character, and the use of vernacular helps define his position in life as well.
Generally, poems written entirely in vernacular do so for *humorous* effect, and give the readers a "wink" to let them know this, by taking the vernacular somewhat over the top.
Serious poems are rarely, if ever, composed entirely in vernacular.
Returning to Sandburg: "Nigger" incorporates vernacular elements ("nigger," "pickaninnies"), but is still written in clear, understandable English. Were the entire poem written in vernacular, it would sound something like this:
I's am de nigga.
Sing-uh ub songs,
Dance-uh…
Sof'ah den de fluff ub cotton…
Harduh den de dark eart'
Roads dat's beatin in de sun...
Your "voice" is that of an uneducated, functionally illiterate hillbilly because you are an uneducated, functionally illiterate hillbilly. And when you have the narrator of you poem speak like an uneducated, functionally illiterate hillbilly, you only help to establish this all-too-obvious fact.
When your "voice" reaches the level of Sandburg's voice, you'll have a much better reason for using his argument.
Will Dockery
Aug 7, 2020, 1:30:55 PM8/7/20
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> Your "voice" is that of an uneducated, functionally illiterate hillbilly
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.arts.poetry.comments/Poq8sBwXIGw/YplL4lyhAwAJ
"Had I been President on 9/11, as of 9/12 the Middle East would consist solely of Israel in the middle of a hopefully not too radioactive sea."
-Michael Pendragon
:)
Michael Pendragon
Aug 7, 2020, 2:07:24 PM8/7/20
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> > Your "voice" is that of an uneducated, functionally illiterate hillbilly
> In my opinion, better a hillbilly than a bigoted, pretentious city slicker with genocidal fantasies:
>
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.arts.poetry.comments/Poq8sBwXIGw/YplL4lyhAwAJ
>
> "Had I been President on 9/11, as of 9/12 the Middle East would consist solely of Israel in the middle of a hopefully not too radioactive sea."
> -Michael Pendragon
Will Dockery
Aug 7, 2020, 2:14:55 PM8/7/20
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I say a person who judges Bukowski, Kerouac and Ginsberg as no-talent bums and that their poetry should be burned is an unfit judge of poetry.
With a stance like yours it is a given that most of your opinions will be worthless.
:)
With a stance like yours it is a given that most of your opinions will be worthless.
:)
Michael Pendragon
Aug 7, 2020, 2:24:13 PM8/7/20
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On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 2:14:55 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> I say a person who judges Bukowski, Kerouac and Ginsberg as no-talent bums and that their poetry should be burned is an unfit judge of poetry.
>
> With a stance like yours it is a given that most of your opinions will be worthless.
That still doesn't improve your writing skills any, Will.
> I say a person who judges Bukowski, Kerouac and Ginsberg as no-talent bums and that their poetry should be burned is an unfit judge of poetry.
>
> With a stance like yours it is a given that most of your opinions will be worthless.
Will Dockery
Aug 7, 2020, 2:27:25 PM8/7/20
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Your opinion of my writing, you mean.
:)
:)
hierony...@gmail.com
Aug 7, 2020, 2:32:09 PM8/7/20
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On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 2:27:25 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Your opinion of my writing, you mean.
>
> :)
That’s not a complete sentence.
> Your opinion of my writing, you mean.
>
> :)
That’s not an opinion.
W.Dockery
Aug 7, 2020, 2:52:03 PM8/7/20
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;)
hierony...@gmail.com
Aug 7, 2020, 2:57:02 PM8/7/20
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W.Dockery
Aug 7, 2020, 3:00:07 PM8/7/20
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On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 2:57:02 PM UTC-4, hierony...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 2:52:03 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > > > Your opinion of my writing, you mean.
>
> On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 2:52:03 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > > > Your opinion of my writing, you mean.
>
> > > That’s not a complete sentence.
> > > That’s not an opinion.
> >
> > Thanks for the correction, Corey.
>
> Just stating facts.
> > > That’s not an opinion.
> >
> > Thanks for the correction, Corey.
>
Again, thanks.
;)
madeforz...@yahoo.com
Aug 7, 2020, 5:11:17 PM8/7/20
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On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 11:43:12 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Sunshine Seventy-Seven
>
> I went and sold some blood
> then bought
> a big bottle of wine.
>
That's probably the first time that you have told the truth about anything in here, Will. I'd definitely be inclined to believe it from 1977 or 2020 with you.
> Sunshine Seventy-Seven
>
> I went and sold some blood
> then bought
> a big bottle of wine.
>
madeforz...@yahoo.com
Aug 7, 2020, 5:12:22 PM8/7/20
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On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 10:04:10 AM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
Will Dockery
Aug 7, 2020, 6:17:43 PM8/7/20
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Hello, Dink.
Why don't you write a poem and show how it's done?
I won't hold my breath.
:)
Why don't you write a poem and show how it's done?
I won't hold my breath.
:)
ME
Aug 7, 2020, 6:53:30 PM8/7/20
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Will Dockery
Aug 7, 2020, 7:12:46 PM8/7/20
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No, Dink claims to have written poetry.
I reckon he's too shy to post it.
:)
I reckon he's too shy to post it.
:)
Rocky
Aug 7, 2020, 8:06:02 PM8/7/20
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Rocky
Aug 7, 2020, 8:22:03 PM8/7/20
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Will Dockery wrote:
> On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 10:04:10 AM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 12:41:14 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 10:33:16 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>
>> > > > Sunshine Seventy-Seven
>> > > > by Will Dockery
>> > >
>> > > > I went and sold some blood
>> > > > then bought
>> > > > a big bottle of wine.
>> > >
>> > > NOTE: "I sold some blood" is correct. "I went and sold" is, at best, a hillbilly colloquialism.
>> >
>> > [...]
>> >
>> > > 1) It is correct to say that you were "at her house." It is incorrect to say that you were "over at her house." "Over at" is another of those colloquial hillbillyisms that you're fond of incorporating into your work. However, while it is acceptable to have a character speak in hillbillyisms, the narrator only should when
>> >
>> > That's my style. I'm a Southern write using a style of writing that reflects that... I just noticed earlier today that Carl Sandburg had a similar problem with critics attacking his style.
>> >
>> > Here was one of his responses:
>> >
>> > http://www.ashevillepoetryreview.com/2004/issue-14/carl-sandburg-chicago-poems
>> >
>> > =================================================
>> > "Carl Sandburg then moves on to defend his poetic style. In his poem, “Style,” he admits for the benefit of Lowell, Frost, and other critics that perhaps his style is “no good,” but he pleads, “don’t take my style away. / It’s my face… / I talk with it, I sing with it, I see, taste and feel with it… / Kill my style… / and you blind Ty Cobb’s batting eye” (24). Harriet Monroe, Sandburg’s original editor at Poetry magazine, champions him in defending his legitimacy:
>> >
>> > "One would no more question his sincerity than that of the wind and
>> > rain. His book, whether you like it or not, whether you call it poetry
>> > or not, is fundamental in the same majestic sense — it is a man speaking
>> > with his own voice, authoritatively like any other force of nature..."
>> >
>> > "If Sandburg’s use of American idiom engenders an authentic American voice, his diction further powers his uniqueness to the poetic landscape... While other poets such as Williams resort to utilizing colloquial language in their poetry, Sandburg’s use of vernacular imagery is the most effective. His focus on the traditionally marginalized segments of society, combined with both his use of imagery and his reliance upon blue-collar idiom results in a poetic tension unique to American poetry at the time...."
> On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 10:04:10 AM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 12:41:14 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 10:33:16 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>
>> > > > Sunshine Seventy-Seven
>> > > > by Will Dockery
>> > >
>> > > > I went and sold some blood
>> > > > then bought
>> > > > a big bottle of wine.
>> > >
>> > > NOTE: "I sold some blood" is correct. "I went and sold" is, at best, a hillbilly colloquialism.
>> >
>> > [...]
>> >
>> > > 1) It is correct to say that you were "at her house." It is incorrect to say that you were "over at her house." "Over at" is another of those colloquial hillbillyisms that you're fond of incorporating into your work. However, while it is acceptable to have a character speak in hillbillyisms, the narrator only should when
>> >
>> > That's my style. I'm a Southern write using a style of writing that reflects that... I just noticed earlier today that Carl Sandburg had a similar problem with critics attacking his style.
>> >
>> > Here was one of his responses:
>> >
>> > http://www.ashevillepoetryreview.com/2004/issue-14/carl-sandburg-chicago-poems
>> >
>> > =================================================
>> > "Carl Sandburg then moves on to defend his poetic style. In his poem, “Style,” he admits for the benefit of Lowell, Frost, and other critics that perhaps his style is “no good,” but he pleads, “don’t take my style away. / It’s my face… / I talk with it, I sing with it, I see, taste and feel with it… / Kill my style… / and you blind Ty Cobb’s batting eye” (24). Harriet Monroe, Sandburg’s original editor at Poetry magazine, champions him in defending his legitimacy:
>> >
>> > "One would no more question his sincerity than that of the wind and
>> > rain. His book, whether you like it or not, whether you call it poetry
>> > or not, is fundamental in the same majestic sense — it is a man speaking
>> > with his own voice, authoritatively like any other force of nature..."
>> >
>> >
>> > ====================================================
>> >
>> > So, as Carl Sandburg would say, don't try to take away my style.
>>
>> You greatly misunderstand if you think for one second that Carl Sandburg was arguing in favor of illiteracy.
>>
>> Mark Twain utilized colloquialisms as a means of delineating his characters' social caste. But Mark Twain could, and did, write in perfect English when appropriate.
>>
>> If you wish to have the characters in your poem speak in vernacular, that's fine.
>>
>> If you want to compose your entire poems in vernacular, that's fine too -- so long as the *speaker* is also a character, and the use of vernacular helps define his position in life as well.
>>
>> Generally, poems written entirely in vernacular do so for *humorous* effect, and give the readers a "wink" to let them know this, by taking the vernacular somewhat over the top.
>>
>> Serious poems are rarely, if ever, composed entirely in vernacular.
>>
>> Returning to Sandburg: "Nigger" incorporates vernacular elements ("nigger," "pickaninnies"), but is still written in clear, understandable English. Were the entire poem written in vernacular, it would sound something like this:
>>
>> I's am de nigga.
>> Sing-uh ub songs,
>> Dance-uh…
>> Sof'ah den de fluff ub cotton…
>> Harduh den de dark eart'
>> Roads dat's beatin in de sun...
> No, that would be Carl Sandburg in blackface, which is a different matter.
>> Your "voice" is that of an uneducated, functionally illiterate hillbilly
> In my opinion, better a hillbilly than a bigoted, pretentious city slicker with genocidal fantasies:
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.arts.poetry.comments/Poq8sBwXIGw/YplL4lyhAwAJ
> "Had I been President on 9/11, as of 9/12 the Middle East would consist solely of Israel in the middle of a hopefully not too radioactive sea."
> -Michael Pendragon
> :)
What a scum bag Pendragon is....
>> > ====================================================
>> >
>> > So, as Carl Sandburg would say, don't try to take away my style.
>>
>> You greatly misunderstand if you think for one second that Carl Sandburg was arguing in favor of illiteracy.
>>
>> Mark Twain utilized colloquialisms as a means of delineating his characters' social caste. But Mark Twain could, and did, write in perfect English when appropriate.
>>
>> If you wish to have the characters in your poem speak in vernacular, that's fine.
>>
>> If you want to compose your entire poems in vernacular, that's fine too -- so long as the *speaker* is also a character, and the use of vernacular helps define his position in life as well.
>>
>> Generally, poems written entirely in vernacular do so for *humorous* effect, and give the readers a "wink" to let them know this, by taking the vernacular somewhat over the top.
>>
>> Serious poems are rarely, if ever, composed entirely in vernacular.
>>
>> Returning to Sandburg: "Nigger" incorporates vernacular elements ("nigger," "pickaninnies"), but is still written in clear, understandable English. Were the entire poem written in vernacular, it would sound something like this:
>>
>> I's am de nigga.
>> Sing-uh ub songs,
>> Dance-uh…
>> Sof'ah den de fluff ub cotton…
>> Harduh den de dark eart'
>> Roads dat's beatin in de sun...
> No, that would be Carl Sandburg in blackface, which is a different matter.
>> Your "voice" is that of an uneducated, functionally illiterate hillbilly
> In my opinion, better a hillbilly than a bigoted, pretentious city slicker with genocidal fantasies:
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.arts.poetry.comments/Poq8sBwXIGw/YplL4lyhAwAJ
> "Had I been President on 9/11, as of 9/12 the Middle East would consist solely of Israel in the middle of a hopefully not too radioactive sea."
> -Michael Pendragon
> :)
Will Dockery
Aug 8, 2020, 5:36:25 PM8/8/20
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"Bukowski owes a debt of thanks, instead, to another poet: the often critically overlooked Carl Sandburg. Like Bukowski, Sandburg’s poetry is raw, his subject matter is the common man and his colloquial narrative style makes Sandburg one of the most uniquely American poets of the Modernist period... Sandburg shares more similarities than might initially be thought with several populist writers who have not been treated well critically. He can be viewed, perhaps, as a type of pre-Beat writer. Like Kerouac, he went ‘on the road.’ He road rails in the early part of the century and relates his affinity for similar spirits in his poem, “’Boes.” Like Kerouac, Sandburg became immensely popular with the public (although, again, never critically), gave lectures, was asked for opinions and, like Ginsburg, became a type of performance artist in his later life... Like Bukowski, as well as many of the Beat writers, Sandburg focuses on blue collar, urban themes, emphasizing colloquial language in a simple narrative style..."
-Scott C. Holstad
http://www.ashevillepoetryreview.com/2004/issue-14/carl-sandburg-chicago-poems
Zod
Aug 8, 2020, 8:00:05 PM8/8/20
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Zod
Aug 9, 2020, 8:28:03 PM8/9/20
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Zod
Aug 10, 2020, 8:10:04 PM8/10/20
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Will Dockery wrote:
> On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 10:33:16 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>
>> > Sunshine Seventy-Seven
>> > by Will Dockery
>>
>> > I went and sold some blood
>> > then bought
>> > a big bottle of wine.
>>
>> NOTE: "I sold some blood" is correct. "I went and sold" is, at best, a hillbilly colloquialism.
> [...]
>> 1) It is correct to say that you were "at her house." It is incorrect to say that you were "over at her house." "Over at" is another of those colloquial hillbillyisms that you're fond of incorporating into your work. However, while it is acceptable to have a character speak in hillbillyisms, the narrator only should when
> That's my style. I'm a Southern write using a style of writing that reflects that... I just noticed earlier today that Carl Sandburg had a similar problem with critics attacking his style.
> Here was one of his responses:
> http://www.ashevillepoetryreview.com/2004/issue-14/carl-sandburg-chicago-poems
> ================================================"Carl Sandburg then moves on to defend his poetic style. In his poem, “Style,” he admits for the benefit of Lowell, Frost, and other critics that perhaps his style is “no good,” but he pleads, “don’t take my style away. / It’s my face… / I talk with it, I sing with it, I see, taste and feel with it… / Kill my style… / and you blind Ty Cobb’s batting eye” (24). Harriet Monroe, Sandburg’s original editor at Poetry magazine, champions him in defending his legitimacy:
> On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 10:33:16 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>
>> > Sunshine Seventy-Seven
>> > by Will Dockery
>>
>> > I went and sold some blood
>> > then bought
>> > a big bottle of wine.
>>
>> NOTE: "I sold some blood" is correct. "I went and sold" is, at best, a hillbilly colloquialism.
> [...]
>> 1) It is correct to say that you were "at her house." It is incorrect to say that you were "over at her house." "Over at" is another of those colloquial hillbillyisms that you're fond of incorporating into your work. However, while it is acceptable to have a character speak in hillbillyisms, the narrator only should when
> That's my style. I'm a Southern write using a style of writing that reflects that... I just noticed earlier today that Carl Sandburg had a similar problem with critics attacking his style.
> Here was one of his responses:
> http://www.ashevillepoetryreview.com/2004/issue-14/carl-sandburg-chicago-poems
> "One would no more question his sincerity than that of the wind and
> rain. His book, whether you like it or not, whether you call it poetry
> or not, is fundamental in the same majestic sense — it is a man speaking
> with his own voice, authoritatively like any other force of nature..."
> ===================================================
> So, as Carl Sandburg would say, don't try to take away my style.
> ;)
Indeed, our style defines us....
> ;)
Will Dockery
Aug 11, 2020, 4:53:59 AM8/11/20
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hierony...@gmail.com
Aug 11, 2020, 5:28:55 AM8/11/20
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Will Dockery
Aug 11, 2020, 5:40:05 AM8/11/20
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"In my opinion Will Dockery is easily one of the most authentic American poets around. A real coffeehouse poet who is not scared of mingling some real American elements such as country music into his
poetry. Whileas you just try to appear as European as possible with all your sucking up to 80 year old European surrealists." -M.H.Benders
hierony...@gmail.com
Aug 11, 2020, 5:45:46 AM8/11/20
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writes second-handed pastiches of old school glory?
Will Dockery
Aug 11, 2020, 5:51:20 AM8/11/20
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hierony...@gmail.com
Aug 11, 2020, 5:52:56 AM8/11/20
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Will Dockery
Aug 11, 2020, 6:02:02 AM8/11/20
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Thanks, have a good day yourself, Corey, and I hope you folk up north are getting some of this cool weather we are down here in the south.
:)
:)
hierony...@gmail.com
Aug 11, 2020, 6:13:34 AM8/11/20
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On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 6:02:02 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Thanks, have a good day yourself, Corey, and I hope you folk up north are getting some of this cool weather we are down here in the south.
>
> :)
Sometimes I have difficulty understanding
> Thanks, have a good day yourself, Corey, and I hope you folk up north are getting some of this cool weather we are down here in the south.
>
> :)
what you mean by the things you write, so
I ask. It can be frustrating when you don’t
or can’t explain what you mean, and makes
continued discourse difficult. For example,
I have no idea what “second-handed pastiche
of old school glory” means, but it does not
sound like you are describing something good.
W.Dockery
Aug 11, 2020, 6:24:03 AM8/11/20
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Just because I'm not fond of a certain style of poetry doesn't mean you will agree.
:)
hierony...@gmail.com
Aug 11, 2020, 6:25:26 AM8/11/20
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flattered, but can you explain what you mean by his “format”? I
don’t understand poetry in terms of formats. Thanks.
hierony...@gmail.com
Aug 11, 2020, 6:32:55 AM8/11/20
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We can appreciate different things for different reasons, but gold is gold, isn’t it?
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Zod
Aug 12, 2020, 8:28:05 PM8/12/20
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Will Dockery wrote:
> On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 10:04:10 AM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 12:41:14 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >
>> > ====================================================
> On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 10:04:10 AM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 12:41:14 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 10:33:16 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>
>> > > > Sunshine Seventy-Seven
>> > > > by Will Dockery
>> > >
>> > > > I went and sold some blood
>> > > > then bought
>> > > > a big bottle of wine.
>> > >
>> > > NOTE: "I sold some blood" is correct. "I went and sold" is, at best, a hillbilly colloquialism.
>> >
>> > [...]
>> >
>> > > 1) It is correct to say that you were "at her house." It is incorrect to say that you were "over at her house." "Over at" is another of those colloquial hillbillyisms that you're fond of incorporating into your work. However, while it is acceptable to have a character speak in hillbillyisms, the narrator only should when
>> >
>> > That's my style. I'm a Southern write using a style of writing that reflects that... I just noticed earlier today that Carl Sandburg had a similar problem with critics attacking his style.
>> >
>> > Here was one of his responses:
>> >
>> > http://www.ashevillepoetryreview.com/2004/issue-14/carl-sandburg-chicago-poems
>> >
>> > =================================================
>>
>> > > > Sunshine Seventy-Seven
>> > > > by Will Dockery
>> > >
>> > > > I went and sold some blood
>> > > > then bought
>> > > > a big bottle of wine.
>> > >
>> > > NOTE: "I sold some blood" is correct. "I went and sold" is, at best, a hillbilly colloquialism.
>> >
>> > [...]
>> >
>> > > 1) It is correct to say that you were "at her house." It is incorrect to say that you were "over at her house." "Over at" is another of those colloquial hillbillyisms that you're fond of incorporating into your work. However, while it is acceptable to have a character speak in hillbillyisms, the narrator only should when
>> >
>> > That's my style. I'm a Southern write using a style of writing that reflects that... I just noticed earlier today that Carl Sandburg had a similar problem with critics attacking his style.
>> >
>> > Here was one of his responses:
>> >
>> > http://www.ashevillepoetryreview.com/2004/issue-14/carl-sandburg-chicago-poems
>> >
>> > "Carl Sandburg then moves on to defend his poetic style. In his poem, “Style,” he admits for the benefit of Lowell, Frost, and other critics that perhaps his style is “no good,” but he pleads, “don’t take my style away. / It’s my face… / I talk with it, I sing with it, I see, taste and feel with it… / Kill my style… / and you blind Ty Cobb’s batting eye” (24). Harriet Monroe, Sandburg’s original editor at Poetry magazine, champions him in defending his legitimacy:
>> >
>> > "One would no more question his sincerity than that of the wind and
>> > rain. His book, whether you like it or not, whether you call it poetry
>> > or not, is fundamental in the same majestic sense — it is a man speaking
>> > with his own voice, authoritatively like any other force of nature..."
>> >
>> > "If Sandburg’s use of American idiom engenders an authentic American voice, his diction further powers his uniqueness to the poetic landscape... While other poets such as Williams resort to utilizing colloquial language in their poetry, Sandburg’s use of vernacular imagery is the most effective. His focus on the traditionally marginalized segments of society, combined with both his use of imagery and his reliance upon blue-collar idiom results in a poetic tension unique to American poetry at the time...."
>> >
>> > "One would no more question his sincerity than that of the wind and
>> > rain. His book, whether you like it or not, whether you call it poetry
>> > or not, is fundamental in the same majestic sense — it is a man speaking
>> > with his own voice, authoritatively like any other force of nature..."
>> >
>> >
>> > ====================================================
>> >
>> > So, as Carl Sandburg would say, don't try to take away my style.
>>
>> > So, as Carl Sandburg would say, don't try to take away my style.
>>
>> You greatly misunderstand if you think for one second that Carl Sandburg was arguing in favor of illiteracy.
>>
>> Mark Twain utilized colloquialisms as a means of delineating his characters' social caste. But Mark Twain could, and did, write in perfect English when appropriate.
>>
>> If you wish to have the characters in your poem speak in vernacular, that's fine.
>>
>> If you want to compose your entire poems in vernacular, that's fine too -- so long as the *speaker* is also a character, and the use of vernacular helps define his position in life as well.
>>
>> Generally, poems written entirely in vernacular do so for *humorous* effect, and give the readers a "wink" to let them know this, by taking the vernacular somewhat over the top.
>>
>> Serious poems are rarely, if ever, composed entirely in vernacular.
>>
>> Returning to Sandburg: "Nigger" incorporates vernacular elements ("nigger," "pickaninnies"), but is still written in clear, understandable English. Were the entire poem written in vernacular, it would sound something like this:
>>
>> I's am de nigga.
>> Sing-uh ub songs,
>> Dance-uh…
>> Sof'ah den de fluff ub cotton…
>> Harduh den de dark eart'
>> Roads dat's beatin in de sun...
> No, that would be Carl Sandburg in blackface, which is a different matter.
>> Your "voice" is that of an uneducated, functionally illiterate hillbilly
> In my opinion, better a hillbilly than a bigoted, pretentious city slicker with genocidal fantasies:
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.arts.poetry.comments/Poq8sBwXIGw/YplL4lyhAwAJ
> "Had I been President on 9/11, as of 9/12 the Middle East would consist solely of Israel in the middle of a hopefully not too radioactive sea."
> -Michael Pendragon
> :)
What a nut job Pendragon is proving to be....
>>
>> Mark Twain utilized colloquialisms as a means of delineating his characters' social caste. But Mark Twain could, and did, write in perfect English when appropriate.
>>
>> If you wish to have the characters in your poem speak in vernacular, that's fine.
>>
>> If you want to compose your entire poems in vernacular, that's fine too -- so long as the *speaker* is also a character, and the use of vernacular helps define his position in life as well.
>>
>> Generally, poems written entirely in vernacular do so for *humorous* effect, and give the readers a "wink" to let them know this, by taking the vernacular somewhat over the top.
>>
>> Serious poems are rarely, if ever, composed entirely in vernacular.
>>
>> Returning to Sandburg: "Nigger" incorporates vernacular elements ("nigger," "pickaninnies"), but is still written in clear, understandable English. Were the entire poem written in vernacular, it would sound something like this:
>>
>> I's am de nigga.
>> Sing-uh ub songs,
>> Dance-uh…
>> Sof'ah den de fluff ub cotton…
>> Harduh den de dark eart'
>> Roads dat's beatin in de sun...
> No, that would be Carl Sandburg in blackface, which is a different matter.
>> Your "voice" is that of an uneducated, functionally illiterate hillbilly
> In my opinion, better a hillbilly than a bigoted, pretentious city slicker with genocidal fantasies:
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.arts.poetry.comments/Poq8sBwXIGw/YplL4lyhAwAJ
> "Had I been President on 9/11, as of 9/12 the Middle East would consist solely of Israel in the middle of a hopefully not too radioactive sea."
> -Michael Pendragon
> :)
Will Dockery
Aug 13, 2020, 2:32:44 AM8/13/20
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:)
Zod
Aug 13, 2020, 9:00:04 PM8/13/20
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Will Dockery wrote:
> On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 10:33:16 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>
>> > Sunshine Seventy-Seven
>> > by Will Dockery
>>
>> > I went and sold some blood
>> > then bought
>> > a big bottle of wine.
>>
>> NOTE: "I sold some blood" is correct. "I went and sold" is, at best, a hillbilly colloquialism.
> [...]
>> 1) It is correct to say that you were "at her house." It is incorrect to say that you were "over at her house." "Over at" is another of those colloquial hillbillyisms that you're fond of incorporating into your work. However, while it is acceptable to have a character speak in hillbillyisms, the narrator only should when
> That's my style. I'm a Southern write using a style of writing that reflects that... I just noticed earlier today that Carl Sandburg had a similar problem with critics attacking his style.
> Here was one of his responses:
> http://www.ashevillepoetryreview.com/2004/issue-14/carl-sandburg-chicago-poems
> ================================================"Carl Sandburg then moves on to defend his poetic style. In his poem, “Style,” he admits for the benefit of Lowell, Frost, and other critics that perhaps his style is “no good,” but he pleads, “don’t take my style away. / It’s my face… / I talk with it, I sing with it, I see, taste and feel with it… / Kill my style… / and you blind Ty Cobb’s batting eye” (24). Harriet Monroe, Sandburg’s original editor at Poetry magazine, champions him in defending his legitimacy:
> "One would no more question his sincerity than that of the wind and
> rain. His book, whether you like it or not, whether you call it poetry
> or not, is fundamental in the same majestic sense — it is a man speaking
> with his own voice, authoritatively like any other force of nature..."
> "If Sandburg’s use of American idiom engenders an authentic American voice, his diction further powers his uniqueness to the poetic landscape.... While other poets such as Williams resort to utilizing colloquial language in their poetry, Sandburg’s use of vernacular imagery is the most effective. His focus on the traditionally marginalized segments of society, combined with both his use of imagery and his reliance upon blue-collar idiom results in a poetic tension unique to American poetry at the time..."
> ===================================================
> So, as Carl Sandburg would say, don't try to take away my style.
> ;)
Well put, Doc.....
> On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 10:33:16 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>
>> > Sunshine Seventy-Seven
>> > by Will Dockery
>>
>> > I went and sold some blood
>> > then bought
>> > a big bottle of wine.
>>
>> NOTE: "I sold some blood" is correct. "I went and sold" is, at best, a hillbilly colloquialism.
> [...]
>> 1) It is correct to say that you were "at her house." It is incorrect to say that you were "over at her house." "Over at" is another of those colloquial hillbillyisms that you're fond of incorporating into your work. However, while it is acceptable to have a character speak in hillbillyisms, the narrator only should when
> That's my style. I'm a Southern write using a style of writing that reflects that... I just noticed earlier today that Carl Sandburg had a similar problem with critics attacking his style.
> Here was one of his responses:
> http://www.ashevillepoetryreview.com/2004/issue-14/carl-sandburg-chicago-poems
> ================================================"Carl Sandburg then moves on to defend his poetic style. In his poem, “Style,” he admits for the benefit of Lowell, Frost, and other critics that perhaps his style is “no good,” but he pleads, “don’t take my style away. / It’s my face… / I talk with it, I sing with it, I see, taste and feel with it… / Kill my style… / and you blind Ty Cobb’s batting eye” (24). Harriet Monroe, Sandburg’s original editor at Poetry magazine, champions him in defending his legitimacy:
> "One would no more question his sincerity than that of the wind and
> rain. His book, whether you like it or not, whether you call it poetry
> or not, is fundamental in the same majestic sense — it is a man speaking
> with his own voice, authoritatively like any other force of nature..."
> "If Sandburg’s use of American idiom engenders an authentic American voice, his diction further powers his uniqueness to the poetic landscape.... While other poets such as Williams resort to utilizing colloquial language in their poetry, Sandburg’s use of vernacular imagery is the most effective. His focus on the traditionally marginalized segments of society, combined with both his use of imagery and his reliance upon blue-collar idiom results in a poetic tension unique to American poetry at the time..."
> ===================================================
> So, as Carl Sandburg would say, don't try to take away my style.
> ;)
madeforz...@yahoo.com
Aug 14, 2020, 12:10:21 AM8/14/20
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On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 6:24:03 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> hierony...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 6:02:02 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks, have a good day yourself, Corey, and I hope you folk up north are getting some of this cool weather we are down here in the south.
> >>
> >> :)
>
> > Sometimes I have difficulty understanding
> > what you mean by the things you write, so
> > I ask. It can be frustrating when you don’t
> > or can’t explain what you mean, and makes
> > continued discourse difficult. For example,
> > I have no idea what “second-handed pastiche
> > of old school glory” means, but it does not
> > sound like you are describing something good.
>
> Poetry, like all art, is subjective.
>
That's why people say yours is shit.
> hierony...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 6:02:02 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks, have a good day yourself, Corey, and I hope you folk up north are getting some of this cool weather we are down here in the south.
> >>
> >> :)
>
> > Sometimes I have difficulty understanding
> > what you mean by the things you write, so
> > I ask. It can be frustrating when you don’t
> > or can’t explain what you mean, and makes
> > continued discourse difficult. For example,
> > I have no idea what “second-handed pastiche
> > of old school glory” means, but it does not
> > sound like you are describing something good.
>
> Poetry, like all art, is subjective.
>
Will Dockery
Aug 14, 2020, 4:15:44 AM8/14/20
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On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 9:00:04 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
Carl Sandburg said it but I certainly agree.
Michael Pendragon
Aug 14, 2020, 10:15:03 AM8/14/20
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His use of blue-collar vernacular, however, is not to be confused with your unintelligible gibberish.
Will Dockery
Aug 14, 2020, 2:35:11 PM8/14/20
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-George J. Dance
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.arts.poetry.comments/mXC-5dB8YuI/rOjBFX1XAgAJ
HTH & HAND.
Zod
Aug 14, 2020, 9:06:48 PM8/14/20
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Zod
Aug 15, 2020, 8:53:01 PM8/15/20
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Rocky
Aug 16, 2020, 9:44:02 PM8/16/20
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Will Dockery wrote:
>
> Sunshine Seventy-Seven
>
> Sunshine Seventy-Seven
> I went and sold some blood
> then bought
> a big bottle of wine.
> then bought
> a big bottle of wine.
Zod
Aug 17, 2020, 9:27:29 PM8/17/20
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ME
Aug 17, 2020, 9:35:20 PM8/17/20
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You nailed it, and didn’t realize it.
Pure will dockery!
Will Dockery
Aug 17, 2020, 9:43:27 PM8/17/20
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Yes, if you read what I wrote correctly.
:)
:)
ME
Aug 17, 2020, 9:50:24 PM8/17/20
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That’s the perfect way to describe what you write and claim as your poetry.
Ted Schmedly
Aug 17, 2020, 10:44:15 PM8/17/20
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You are describing Pendragon poetry, ME...
You are more confused than ever before ME...
You are more confused than ever before ME...
madeforz...@yahoo.com
Aug 17, 2020, 11:35:54 PM8/17/20
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Will Dockery
Aug 17, 2020, 11:57:20 PM8/17/20
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While you remain a low budget Don Rickles, Dink.
:)
:)
madeforz...@yahoo.com
Aug 18, 2020, 12:09:24 AM8/18/20
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On Monday, August 17, 2020 at 11:57:20 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> While you remain a low budget Don Rickles, Dink.
>
> :)
Being compared to Don Rickles in any level is a compliment, Dockery. He was a respected comedic genius, while you are nothing more than a lifetime failure.
> While you remain a low budget Don Rickles, Dink.
>
> :)
Will Dockery
Aug 18, 2020, 12:44:20 AM8/18/20
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Don Rickles was talented, Dink.
You're nothing but a low level troll.
:)
You're nothing but a low level troll.
:)
Will Dockery
Aug 18, 2020, 1:47:43 AM8/18/20
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Thanks for the endorsement, Zod.
madeforz...@yahoo.com
Aug 18, 2020, 2:01:57 AM8/18/20
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On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 12:44:20 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Don Rickles was talented, Dink.
That's what I said, Dockery. Also, you're the one who compared me to him.
> Don Rickles was talented, Dink.
>
> You're nothing but a low level troll.
>
> :)
Will Dockery
Aug 18, 2020, 2:38:03 AM8/18/20
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On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 2:01:57 AM UTC-4, madeforz...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> That's exactly how everyone
<troll snipped>
>
> That's exactly how everyone
You're nothing but a troll, Dink... you do not speak for "everyone".
;)
Michael Pendragon
Aug 18, 2020, 9:12:38 AM8/18/20
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Will Dockery
Aug 18, 2020, 9:22:42 AM8/18/20
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I've already named who I consider the biggest trolls here, Pendragon.
That would be you and Dink.
:)
That would be you and Dink.
:)
Coco DeSockmonkey
Aug 18, 2020, 10:46:22 AM8/18/20
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On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 9:22:42 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> I've already named who I consider the biggest trolls here, Pendragon.
>
> That would be you and Dink.
That's it, Will. Make my prediction come true!
> I've already named who I consider the biggest trolls here, Pendragon.
>
> That would be you and Dink.
W.Dockery
Aug 18, 2020, 11:00:09 AM8/18/20
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I just call them as I see them, Pendragon.
:)
:)
Michelangelo Scarlotti
Aug 18, 2020, 12:40:32 PM8/18/20
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On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 11:00:09 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> I just call them as I see them, Pendragon.
You're blind.
> I just call them as I see them, Pendragon.
If we took a group vote on it, there isn't any question who the two biggest trolls would be.
Will Dockery
Aug 18, 2020, 2:02:33 PM8/18/20
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Since you lead the majority, a vote would prove nothing.
:)
:)
hierony...@gmail.com
Aug 18, 2020, 2:05:56 PM8/18/20
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On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 2:02:33 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Since you lead the majority, a vote would prove nothing.
>
> :)
A vote would prove you wrong. That’s something.
> Since you lead the majority, a vote would prove nothing.
>
> :)
Will Dockery
Aug 18, 2020, 2:10:22 PM8/18/20
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It would not change the truth, though.
:)
:)
hierony...@gmail.com
Aug 18, 2020, 2:12:06 PM8/18/20
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On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 2:10:22 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> It would not change the truth, though.
>
> :)
It would reveal the truth.
> It would not change the truth, though.
>
> :)
Will Dockery
Aug 18, 2020, 2:15:10 PM8/18/20
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No, it would only show what a biased group thinks.
I'm aware of the mob mentality here.
:)
I'm aware of the mob mentality here.
:)
Hieronymous Corey
Aug 18, 2020, 2:19:07 PM8/18/20
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Will Dockery
Aug 18, 2020, 2:23:58 PM8/18/20
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This group has been in an ongoing flame war since 2017.
Hieronymous Corey
Aug 18, 2020, 2:26:16 PM8/18/20
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On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 2:23:58 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> This group has been in an ongoing flame war since 2017.
That may be how you see the group, but not as far as I’m concerned.
> This group has been in an ongoing flame war since 2017.
Michael Pendragon
Aug 18, 2020, 2:27:33 PM8/18/20
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On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 2:15:10 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> No, it would only show what a biased group thinks.
>
> I'm aware of the mob mentality here.
And why do you think an entire group should be biased against you, Will?
> No, it would only show what a biased group thinks.
>
> I'm aware of the mob mentality here.
W.Dockery
Aug 18, 2020, 2:32:04 PM8/18/20
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A vote would reflect the state of the ongoing flame war, in which I am obviously outnumbered.
:)
:)
Hieronymous Corey
Aug 18, 2020, 2:44:15 PM8/18/20
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On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 2:32:04 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> A vote would reflect the state of the ongoing flame war, in which I am obviously outnumbered.
>
> :)
You’re not in a flame war. Your struggle is internal.
> A vote would reflect the state of the ongoing flame war, in which I am obviously outnumbered.
>
> :)
Michael Pendragon
Aug 18, 2020, 2:46:55 PM8/18/20
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On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 2:32:04 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> A vote would reflect the state of the ongoing flame war, in which I am obviously outnumbered.
Why should you be outnumbered then?
W.Dockery
Aug 18, 2020, 3:08:03 PM8/18/20
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You know that the group has been in an ongoing flame war since 2017.
Hieronymous Corey
Aug 18, 2020, 3:10:35 PM8/18/20
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On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 3:08:03 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> You know that the group has been in an ongoing flame war since 2017.
That’s not true.
> You know that the group has been in an ongoing flame war since 2017.
Michelangelo Scarlotti
Aug 18, 2020, 3:20:46 PM8/18/20
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On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 3:08:03 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> You know that the group has been in an ongoing flame war since 2017.
What "ongoing flame war" is that?
> You know that the group has been in an ongoing flame war since 2017.
W.Dockery
Aug 18, 2020, 3:36:04 PM8/18/20
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Yes, it is only an opinion.
W.Dockery
Aug 18, 2020, 3:54:03 PM8/18/20
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W.Dockery
Aug 18, 2020, 5:34:03 PM8/18/20
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On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 3:20:46 PM UTC-4, Michelangelo Scarlotti wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 3:08:03 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
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> > You know that the group has been in an ongoing flame war since 2017.
>
> What "ongoing flame war" is that?
Don't play so stupid, Pendragon.
> On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 3:08:03 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
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> > You know that the group has been in an ongoing flame war since 2017.
>
> What "ongoing flame war" is that?
;)
W.Dockery
Aug 18, 2020, 5:34:03 PM8/18/20
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On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 2:44:15 PM UTC-4, Hieronymous Corey wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 2:32:04 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
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> > A vote would reflect the state of the ongoing flame war, in which I am obviously outnumbered.
> >
> On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 2:32:04 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
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> > A vote would reflect the state of the ongoing flame war, in which I am obviously outnumbered.
> >
> > :)
> You’re not in a flame war
Pendragon openly states that we are in a flame war.
> You’re not in a flame war
ME
Aug 18, 2020, 5:36:20 PM8/18/20
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You are completely off the rails.
Go sleep it off.
W.Dockery
Aug 18, 2020, 5:38:04 PM8/18/20
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On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 3:10:35 PM UTC-4, Hieronymous Corey wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 3:08:03 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
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> > You know that the group has been in an ongoing flame war since 2017.
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> That’s not true.
> On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 3:08:03 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
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> > You know that the group has been in an ongoing flame war since 2017.
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Yes it is.
:)
Hieronymous Corey
Aug 18, 2020, 5:52:02 PM8/18/20
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W.Dockery
Aug 18, 2020, 5:56:04 PM8/18/20
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On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 5:36:20 PM UTC-4, ME wrote:
> On Tuesday, 18 August 2020 17:34:03 UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
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> >
> > Pendragon openly states that we are in a flame war.
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> What the fuck are you snorting, smoking, drinking or shooting up
Obsess much, "Me"?
> On Tuesday, 18 August 2020 17:34:03 UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
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> >
> > Pendragon openly states that we are in a flame war.
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> What the fuck are you snorting, smoking, drinking or shooting up
;)
W.Dockery
Aug 18, 2020, 5:58:04 PM8/18/20
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On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 5:52:02 PM UTC-4, Hieronymous Corey wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 5:38:04 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
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> > > > You know that the group has been in an ongoing flame war since 2017.
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> That’s your opinion.
> On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 5:38:04 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
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> > > > You know that the group has been in an ongoing flame war since 2017.
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It is my observation.
ME
Aug 18, 2020, 6:00:09 PM8/18/20
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He’s more delusional than he’s ever been. He’s started fights with at least 4 others. And even though he’s been proven wrong each and every time he has continued to deny and has doubled down on every one of them.
Maybe he needs an intervention
Hieronymous Corey
Aug 18, 2020, 6:05:45 PM8/18/20
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You may have been at war with other members of the
group since 2017, which explains your commentary, but
I've never been at war with you, or anyone else in the group.
Hieronymous Corey
Aug 18, 2020, 6:07:16 PM8/18/20
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I’ll take you to school, and you know it.
W.Dockery
Aug 18, 2020, 6:10:07 PM8/18/20
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On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 6:05:45 PM UTC-4, Hieronymous Corey wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 5:58:04 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
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> > > > > > You know that the group has been in an ongoing flame war since 2017.
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>
> > > > > > You know that the group has been in an ongoing flame war since 2017.
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> Exactly your observation does not represent the truth
In my opinion, it does.
W.Dockery
Aug 18, 2020, 6:10:08 PM8/18/20
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On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 6:00:09 PM UTC-4, ME wrote:
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> Will has been taking some bad drugs of some kind today
Bullshit, liar.
>
> Will has been taking some bad drugs of some kind today
:)
Hieronymous Corey
Aug 18, 2020, 6:13:46 PM8/18/20
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Your personal truth is not the truth for everyone. There is a truth
that applies to everyone, but your, or my, personal truth is not it.
W.Dockery
Aug 18, 2020, 6:18:03 PM8/18/20
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On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 6:13:46 PM UTC-4, Hieronymous Corey wrote:
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> You’re just wrong
No, I'm not.
;)
>
> You’re just wrong
No, I'm not.
;)
Hieronymous Corey
Aug 18, 2020, 6:29:45 PM8/18/20
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W.Dockery
Aug 18, 2020, 6:38:03 PM8/18/20
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In your opinion, Corey.
:)
:)
W.Dockery
Aug 18, 2020, 6:44:04 PM8/18/20
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No, Corey the truth is with me.
:)
:)
madeforz...@yahoo.com
Aug 18, 2020, 7:39:11 PM8/18/20
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On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 2:38:03 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 2:01:57 AM UTC-4, madeforz...@yahoo.com wrote:
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> > That's exactly how everyone
>
> <troll snipped>
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> You're nothing but a troll, Dink...
Your opinion, Dreckery.
> you do not speak for "everyone".
>
I speak for those who feel you are a disgusting idiot with extremely poor social skills and who do not want the displeasure of interacting with you.
> On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 2:01:57 AM UTC-4, madeforz...@yahoo.com wrote:
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> > That's exactly how everyone
>
> <troll snipped>
>
> You're nothing but a troll, Dink...
Your opinion, Dreckery.
> you do not speak for "everyone".
>
I speak for those who feel you are a disgusting idiot with extremely poor social skills and who do not want the displeasure of interacting with you.
madeforz...@yahoo.com
Aug 18, 2020, 7:39:59 PM8/18/20
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On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 2:10:22 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> It would not change the truth, though.
>
> :)
What do you know of truth? You snip, post-edit or ignore and run like a coward. The only reason you even exist in AAPC is because your ego would cry without it.
> It would not change the truth, though.
>
> :)
What do you know of truth? You snip, post-edit or ignore and run like a coward. The only reason you even exist in AAPC is because your ego would cry without it.
madeforz...@yahoo.com
Aug 18, 2020, 7:40:31 PM8/18/20
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On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 2:27:33 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 2:15:10 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > No, it would only show what a biased group thinks.
> >
> > I'm aware of the mob mentality here.
>
> And why do you think an entire group should be biased against you, Will?
Paranoia brought on by excessive and heavy drug and alcohol abuse and usage over a long period of time.
> On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 2:15:10 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > No, it would only show what a biased group thinks.
> >
> > I'm aware of the mob mentality here.
>
> And why do you think an entire group should be biased against you, Will?
Paranoia brought on by excessive and heavy drug and alcohol abuse and usage over a long period of time.
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