We Were Right ...
Richard J
Desmond Coughlan wrote:
> ... of course. We were right before this unlawful war of aggression
> against an impoverished and downtrodden people began, and we're right now.
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> url:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3084060.stm
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> 'Every new disaster in Iraq - every new terrorist attack - is further
> evidence of how right they [France] were'.
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> '"Why should it spill the blood of its soldiers and jeopardise the
> credibility of its diplomacy just to assure the re-election of George W
> Bush?
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> "Bush's strategy is insolent. He is calling for help, then trying to
> dictate the terms of the rescue," it said.'
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> Vive la France !!
>
Off Topic
Jigsaw1695
"Desmond Coughlan" <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> wrote in message
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> Desmond Coughlan
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LOL!!
What else would you expect from a follower like Dezi?
Something original?
Dolly B.Coughlan Jr
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: We Were Right ...
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: 5 Sep 2003 20:31:34 GMT
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>Le Fri, 05 Sep 2003 19:29:23 GMT, Jigsaw1695 <jigsa...@earthlink.net> a
>écrit :
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>{ snip }
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>>> Vive la France !!
>
>> LOL!!
>>
>> What else would you expect from a follower like Dezi?
>> Something original?
>
>Oh dear, Shit-For-Brains#2 ... did you post that in one of your
>*clickety-clack* ... *clickety-clack* ... *clickety-clack* ... posts,
>whilst working those tweezers back and a-forward ?
>
>Sorry not to have been following your obsessive lust for me as closely as
>you'd like.
>
>*guffaw*
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>--
>Desmond Coughlan |desmond [at] zeouane [dot] org
>Yamaha YZF-R1 (2002)
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Welcome to the Desmond Coughlan archive; the home of Desi's psychotic rants and
homosexual trolling. As he remains unfulfilled, please help Desmond Coughlan
find the man of his dreams.
As Desi lies, the archive grows!
Dolly B.Coughlan Jr
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: We Were Right ...
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: 5 Sep 2003 19:03:32 GMT
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>... of course. We were right before this unlawful war of aggression
>against an impoverished and downtrodden people began, and we're right now.
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>url:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3084060.stm
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> 'Every new disaster in Iraq - every new terrorist attack - is further
> evidence of how right they [France] were'.
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> '"Why should it spill the blood of its soldiers and jeopardise the
> credibility of its diplomacy just to assure the re-election of George W
> Bush?
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> "Bush's strategy is insolent. He is calling for help, then trying to
> dictate the terms of the rescue," it said.'
>
>Vive la France !!
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |desmond [at] zeouane [dot] org
>Yamaha YZF-R1 (2002)
>http://www.chez.com/desmondcoughlan/dp/gimmicks/
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William Robert
>Sorry not to have been following your obsessive lust for me as closely as
>you'd like.
Jigsaw, Desi is trying to play hard to get. His queer eye for the straight guy
seems to be all consuming.
As the holidays are fast approaching, let us hope he soon finds someone.
William Robert
>Desmond Coughlan |desmond [at] >zeouane [dot] org
>Yamaha YZF-R1 (2002) brochure
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God bless America!
and no one else - ESPECIALLY SOME SMELLY, HEATHEN french !
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William Robert
>... of course. We were right before this unlawful war of aggression
>against an impoverished and downtrodden people began, and we're right now.
>Vive la France !!
No Desi, once again you don't get it. Bush is just feeling charitable and
giving France a chance to pretend to be a world player. After all, the hard
work has been done.
RichardJ
Desmond Coughlan wrote:
>Translation: 'oops, somewhat embarrassing for "America" (sic), Des !'
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Not at all. It means EXACTLY what it said. This is an off topic post
for alt.activism.death-penalty. It is one of many such I have recently
responded to with the same message. Take this shit where it belongs, in
some news group where it is on topic, and have a blast with it. I come
to this news group to discuss death penalty issues, and while I have
been drawn into some of these discussions about America's involvement in
the Middle East, I have been attempting not to do so lately in an
attempt to bring us back to the topic we originally came here with.
Besides, Ear or even PV is better at it than you are.
Teflon
Dolly B.Coughlan Jr
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: We Were Right ...
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: 7 Sep 2003 12:07:30 GMT
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>Le Fri, 05 Sep 2003 15:22:18 -0400, Richard J <ric...@hotmail.com> a écrit :
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>>> ... of course. We were right before this unlawful war of aggression
>>> against an impoverished and downtrodden people began, and we're right now.
>>>
>>> url:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3084060.stm
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>>> 'Every new disaster in Iraq - every new terrorist attack - is further
>>> evidence of how right they [France] were'.
>>>
>>> '"Why should it spill the blood of its soldiers and jeopardise the
>>> credibility of its diplomacy just to assure the re-election of George W
>>> Bush?
>>>
>>> "Bush's strategy is insolent. He is calling for help, then trying to
>>> dictate the terms of the rescue," it said.'
>>>
>>> Vive la France !!
>
>> Off Topic
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>Translation: 'oops, somewhat embarrassing for "America" (sic), Des !'
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>--
>Desmond Coughlan |desmond [at] zeouane [dot] org
>Yamaha YZF-R1 (2002)
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dirtdog
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>Desmond Coughlan wrote:
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>>Le Fri, 05 Sep 2003 15:22:18 -0400, Richard J <ric...@hotmail.com> a écrit :
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>>>>... of course. We were right before this unlawful war of aggression
>>>>against an impoverished and downtrodden people began, and we're right now.
>>>>
>>>>url:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3084060.stm
>>>>
>>>> 'Every new disaster in Iraq - every new terrorist attack - is further
>>>> evidence of how right they [France] were'.
>>>>
>>>> '"Why should it spill the blood of its soldiers and jeopardise the
>>>> credibility of its diplomacy just to assure the re-election of George W
>>>> Bush?
>>>>
>>>> "Bush's strategy is insolent. He is calling for help, then trying to
>>>> dictate the terms of the rescue," it said.'
>>>>
>>>>Vive la France !!
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>>>Off Topic
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>>Translation: 'oops, somewhat embarrassing for "America" (sic), Des !'
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>Not at all. It means EXACTLY what it said. This is an off topic post
>for alt.activism.death-penalty. It is one of many such I have recently
>responded to with the same message. Take this shit where it belongs, in
>some news group where it is on topic, and have a blast with it.
Don't be such a miserable old cunt, Richard.
It is hypocritical in the extreme to read your criticising a post as
off topic, and quite transparent when you do so only because it tends
to expose your rogue government as the sinister, nasty bunch of
borderline retarded bully-boy thugs that they are.
<enraged vitriol snipped>
w00f
RichardJ
dirtdog wrote:
>On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 16:21:34 -0400, RichardJ <rjac...@myvine.com>
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>>Desmond Coughlan wrote:
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>>>Le Fri, 05 Sep 2003 15:22:18 -0400, Richard J <ric...@hotmail.com> a écrit :
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>>>>>... of course. We were right before this unlawful war of aggression
>>>>>against an impoverished and downtrodden people began, and we're right now.
>>>>>
>>>>>url:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3084060.stm
>>>>>
>>>>> 'Every new disaster in Iraq - every new terrorist attack - is further
>>>>> evidence of how right they [France] were'.
>>>>>
>>>>> '"Why should it spill the blood of its soldiers and jeopardise the
>>>>> credibility of its diplomacy just to assure the re-election of George W
>>>>> Bush?
>>>>>
>>>>> "Bush's strategy is insolent. He is calling for help, then trying to
>>>>> dictate the terms of the rescue," it said.'
>>>>>
>>>>>Vive la France !!
>>>>>
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>>>>Off Topic
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>>>Translation: 'oops, somewhat embarrassing for "America" (sic), Des !'
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>>Not at all. It means EXACTLY what it said. This is an off topic post
>>for alt.activism.death-penalty. It is one of many such I have recently
>>responded to with the same message. Take this shit where it belongs, in
>>some news group where it is on topic, and have a blast with it.
>>
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>Don't be such a miserable old cunt, Richard.
>
>It is hypocritical in the extreme to read your criticizing a post as
>off topic, and quite transparent when you do so only because it tends
>to expose your rogue government as the sinister, nasty bunch of
>borderline retarded bully-boy thugs that they are.
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>w00f
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Dirt, you and Despond can both take a flying fuck at each other. This
is an off topic post for this group and I will continue to tell those
who post off topic when they do. If you wish to discuss the topic of US
actions, then why not do what I do and go to one or more of the various
newsgroups which are dedicated to discussion of international politics,
the US government, or terrorism? Discussing such things on A.A.D.P. are
not only off topic, but point out dramatically that you abolitionists
have nothing new to contribute to the real topic of this group and must
thus find new ways to gain attention and express yourselves.
In short, to me it means you really have no viable arguments against the
death penalty and like any good lawyer attack the person (in this case
nation) when you are unable to impeach the evidence.
Teflon
Hugh Neary
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>Desmond Coughlan wrote:
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>>Le Fri, 05 Sep 2003 15:22:18 -0400, Richard J <ric...@hotmail.com> a écrit :
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>>>>... of course. We were right before this unlawful war of aggression
>>>>against an impoverished and downtrodden people began, and we're right now.
>>>>
>>>>url:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3084060.stm
>>>>
>>>> 'Every new disaster in Iraq - every new terrorist attack - is further
>>>> evidence of how right they [France] were'.
>>>>
>>>> '"Why should it spill the blood of its soldiers and jeopardise the
>>>> credibility of its diplomacy just to assure the re-election of George W
>>>> Bush?
>>>>
>>>> "Bush's strategy is insolent. He is calling for help, then trying to
>>>> dictate the terms of the rescue," it said.'
>>>>
>>>>Vive la France !!
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>Off Topic
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>>Translation: 'oops, somewhat embarrassing for "America" (sic), Des !'
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>Not at all. It means EXACTLY what it said. This is an off topic post
SNIP
No it wasn't!!
As Desmond pointed out, the war in Iraq is illegal. This leaves Bush
& Blair open to accusations of war crimes.
A fairly well used reward for war criminals of Bush & Blairs
ilk is the death penalty.
Thus the post is on topic.
Glad to have cleared things up for you my son!
HN
Dolly B.Coughlan Jr
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: We Were Right ...
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: 8 Sep 2003 20:02:48 GMT
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>Le Mon, 08 Sep 2003 19:42:48 +0100, Hugh Neary <spams...@junk.net> a
>écrit :
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>> As Desmond pointed out, the war in Iraq is illegal. This leaves Bush
>> & Blair open to accusations of war crimes.
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>> A fairly well used reward for war criminals of Bush & Blairs
>> ilk is the death penalty.
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>> Thus the post is on topic.
>>
>> Glad to have cleared things up for you my son!
>
>The most amusing aspect of this, is that I read in _Le Monde_ today, that
>Bush has once again been mentioning Iraq as 'the front line' in the war
>against terrorism. Indeed, seven out of ten people in 'America' (sic)
>apparently think that Saddam Hussein was responsible for '9/11' (sic).
>
>What a bunch of fucking spastics ... bwaaaaahahahahahahahaa !!!!!!
>
>Of course, he also referred to the courageous Iraqi resistance fighters as
>'terrorists'.
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>It's said that a country gets the president it deserves. I'm rapidly
>coming to the conclusion that 'America' (sic) deserves that
>mouth-breathing, illiterate, former alcoholic Bush.
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>Desmond Coughlan |desmond [at] zeouane [dot] org
>Yamaha YZF-R1 (2002)
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dirtdog
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> wrote:
<of thick fuck Yanks>
> I'm rapidly
>coming to the conclusion that 'America' (sic) deserves that
>mouth-breathing, illiterate, former alcoholic
...don't forget ex-cocaine addict
>Bush.
w00f
dirtdog
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>>off topic, and quite transparent when you do so only because it tends
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>>borderline retarded bully-boy thugs that they are.
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>>w00f
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>Dirt, you and Despond can both take a flying fuck at each other. This
>is an off topic post for this group and I will continue to tell those
>who post off topic when they do. If you wish to discuss the topic of US
>actions, then why not do what I do and go to one or more of the various
>newsgroups which are dedicated to discussion of international politics,
>the US government, or terrorism?
Teflon, you really should ask your 14 year-old grandson to stop
posting his teenage-angst ridden rants to aadp!
>Discussing such things on A.A.D.P. are
>not only off topic,
...just as flirting with Donna, posting about whiskey, making boasts
of being 'tough' and talking about cunnilingus are all also off topic.
However, you don't see Desmond or I pontificating, do you?
In fact, whilst your favoured off topic comments are no less off topic
than Desmond's, it can certainly be said that your efforts are a good
deal more _purile_ than his. Whilst many of your 'good mood' posts
really are a waste of bandwidth, the post of Desmond's to which you
objected really is of _vital_ importance to our planet. Namely, it
addresses the real and very worrying issue that the government of by
far and away the most powerful nation on this Earth and supposed
leader of the free world (*puke*) appears to be in the grip of at
best borderline retarded cretins and at worst run by ruthless,
violent, selfish, greedy bullies with a very dark agenda indeed
> but point out dramatically that you abolitionists
>have nothing new to contribute to the real topic of this group
Nor have retentionists. Your sole tenable argument rests on one thing
and one thing only - your belief that murderers deserve to be killed
and that doing so is a good idea. All other justifications have been
logically and factually destroyed time and time again.
Well, quite frankly, I am rather bored of reading that opinion because
quite simply I disagree. Neither of us can be shown to be right,
because our opinions are simply just that - subjective opinion (ask
Daniel). You appear to believe that in practice, your opinion should
directly cause another human to die. I do not elevate my own opinion
to such a deity-like level.
>and must
>thus find new ways to gain attention and express yourselves.
No we just talk about other things which have not been done to death.
So do you. The only time when you object is when the subject matter
appears to make uncomfortable reading for you.
Incidentally, I have never quite understood why it causes you
Americans such intense agony to be forced to admit your country has
acted wrongly. Perhaps you would elucidate.
>In short, to me it means you really have no viable arguments against the
>death penalty
Which is bollocks. I have the _only_ necessary response to your sole
tenable argument - 'I disagree'.
> and like any good lawyer attack the person (in this case
>nation) when you are unable to impeach the evidence.
How childish.
Having received an education in debate which so many of you appear to
lack, I can appreciate that the US acting repulsively with regard to
international affairs is of no direct relevance to the question of the
DP. You must excuse my assumption that the average intellect of an
aadp subscriber would be such as to share a similar appreciation of
such basic distinctions. Next time I shall add a disclaimer that in
the process of criticising the bunch of chimps known as the Bush
Administration, I make no comment whatsoever about the unjust and
racist application of capital punishment in the backward United
States.
w00f
John Rennie
"dirtdog" <dirtdogCHOCO...@fruffrant.com> wrote in message
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Now, now I expect intolerance from Hugh but not from you, doggie. The fact
that Bush's past is littered with youthful and not so youthful indiscretions
has no bearing on whether or not he is a fit person to be President. The
obvious fact that he is three cents short of a dollar has.
Jigsaw1695
"John Rennie" <j.re...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Please...share with us your opinion why he is "three cents short of a
dollar".
RichardJ
Hugh Neary wrote:
Bullshit.
Teflon
A Planet Visitor
wrote:
LOL... Words from the Nameless One -- "The right to life is a universal
right. It transcends religion, time, and morals. It cannot be abrogated.
It cannot be violated with impunity. It is the birthright of every human,
irrespective of sex, race, religion, sexual orientation, or criminal history."
Perhaps you might ask him what particular source he finds has provided
that universal 'right to life.' And how he can claim it is the 'birthright of
every human,' if he is not blind. Because it certainly sounds as if he is
'pontificating' from the top of that Mountain to me. In actuality... he has
only demonstrated that when small men, try to express grand ideas, they
always end up by reducing those ideas to the level of their own mediocrity.
<clipped rest of drooling support for the Nameless One (which I had hoped
that dirtdog had rid himself of), coupled with dirtdog's typical pathetic
appeal to everyone here to believe he possesses a 'classical education'>
PV
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>w00f
A Planet Visitor
wrote:
Be nice now... I thought you supported drug legalization. :-)
PV
>>Bush.
>
>w00f
A Planet Visitor
Faint praise, Richard... EVERYONE is better at it, than the Nameless
One.
But I'm sure you realize that you are 'flogging a dead horse,' if you
ever expect the Nameless One to change, or develop a less spittle-filled
raving method of expressing his anti-Americanism.
In respect to the other European posters who often post vitriol
against the U.S., it's rather the 'nature of the beast.'. Europeans
have a sad record of appeasement. It demonstrates itself in the DP as
well. They have always presumed that if they sit down over a glass
of 'red', and 'discuss things rationally,' with murderers, dictators or
terrorists... that those murderers, dictators and terrorists will 'suddenly
see the light of reason.' The fact that it has NEVER worked throughout
the entire history of our species does not bother or deter them from
such ideas in the slightest. It is now in large part, ingrained into their
national character. They give the Rhineland.... Austria ....Czechoslovakia
to a dictator... and assure themselves he will want no more... they give
terrorists the 'right' to commit acts of terror as a political aim... and find
it reasonable to do nothing in return... again presuming that at some
point the terrorist will expect no more.... and they give murderers the
'right' to never expect to forfeit their life, regardless of how many murders
that murderer commits...or how often he will commit them given the
slightest opportunity to do so... again presuming that at some point
he will no longer wish to murder.
It's all part of the 'grand puzzle' of the mindset of a great number of
Europeans. Few Americans understand that 'puzzle.' While
unfortunately... most of those Europeans possessed of that mindset
simply migrate to AADP. I understand your frustration... but they
will not change. So to me... the best thing to do is simply remind
them of how that 'philosophy' has failed in the past. And simply
dust your hands in satisfaction after doing so.
PV
>Teflon
dirtdog
Knowing well the effects of cocaine upon people, it is hardly
'intolerant' to suggest that the most powerful man on Earth, with
power to obliterate the globe, should not have any history of being a
charlie fiend. End of.
>The
>obvious fact that he is three cents short of a dollar has.
Any suggestion that he is 97% correct is insane.
w00f
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
> Knowing well the effects of cocaine upon people, it is hardly
> 'intolerant' to suggest that the most powerful man on Earth, with
> power to obliterate the globe, should not have any history of being a
> charlie fiend. End of.
Couldn't agree more.
Mr Q. Z. D.
--
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"They've got to be protected/All their rights respected ((o))
Until someone we like can be elected." - Tom Lehrer ((O))
Jigsaw1695
> Le Tue, 09 Sep 2003 07:55:40 -0400, RichardJ <rjac...@myvine.com> a
écrit :
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> { snip }
>
> >>As Desmond pointed out, the war in Iraq is illegal. This leaves Bush
> >>& Blair open to accusations of war crimes.
> >>
> >> A fairly well used reward for war criminals of Bush & Blairs
> >>ilk is the death penalty.
> >>
> >>Thus the post is on topic.
> >>
> >>Glad to have cleared things up for you my son!
>
>
> What is, Richard ? That the war in Iraq was illegal, and that the
> kidnappings and extrajudicial executions of the courageous Iraqi
resistance
> fighters is, and always will be, illegal ?
>
> --
> Desmond Coughlan
============================================================================
Sorry Dezi, but the US war against terrorism is not illegal. Stop making
things up to suite your needs.
Jigsaw
Jigsaw1695
> Le Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:28:40 GMT, Jigsaw1695 <jigsa...@earthlink.net> a
écrit :
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>
> >> What is, Richard ? That the war in Iraq was illegal, and that the
> >> kidnappings and extrajudicial executions of the courageous Iraqi
> > resistance
> >> fighters is, and always will be, illegal ?
>
> > things up to suite your needs.
>
>
> 1. What proof is there that Iraq was behind '9/11' (sic) or any other
> terrorist act of recent years ?
>
> 2. Based on (1), what is the legal basis for the invasion of Iraq ?
>
>
>
> --
> Desmond Coughlan
============================================================================
=========
Jigsaw1695
> Le Thu, 11 Sep 2003 19:53:57 GMT, Jigsaw1695 <jigsa...@earthlink.net> a
écrit :
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> { snip }
> >>
> >> 1. What proof is there that Iraq was behind '9/11' (sic) or any other
> >> terrorist act of recent years ?
> >>
> >> 2. Based on (1), what is the legal basis for the invasion of Iraq ?
> Desmond Coughlan
=================================================================
1. There is more than ample proof that Iraq was deep;y involved in the
planning and execution of several terrorist acts, including using WMD on its
own people.
2. Their participation in the 9-11 terrorist attack.
Jigsaw
Dolly B.Coughlan Jr
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: 11 Sep 2003 20:21:41 GMT
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>Le Thu, 11 Sep 2003 19:53:57 GMT, Jigsaw1695 <jigsa...@earthlink.net> a
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>>> Tell us, Shit-For-Brains#2 ...
>>>
>>> 1. What proof is there that Iraq was behind '9/11' (sic) or any other
>>> terrorist act of recent years ?
>>>
>>> 2. Based on (1), what is the legal basis for the invasion of Iraq ?
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>Thought so.
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>Yamaha YZF-R1 (2002)
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<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
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>Date: 11 Sep 2003 16:15:46 GMT
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>Le Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:28:40 GMT, Jigsaw1695 <jigsa...@earthlink.net> a
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>>> What is, Richard ? That the war in Iraq was illegal, and that the
>>> kidnappings and extrajudicial executions of the courageous Iraqi
>> resistance
>>> fighters is, and always will be, illegal ?
>
>> Sorry Dezi, but the US war against terrorism is not illegal. Stop making
>> things up to suite your needs.
>
>Tell us, Shit-For-Brains#2 ...
>
>1. What proof is there that Iraq was behind '9/11' (sic) or any other
> terrorist act of recent years ?
>
>2. Based on (1), what is the legal basis for the invasion of Iraq ?
>
>
>
>--
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>Yamaha YZF-R1 (2002)
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<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
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>Le Tue, 09 Sep 2003 07:55:40 -0400, RichardJ <rjac...@myvine.com> a écrit
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>>>As Desmond pointed out, the war in Iraq is illegal. This leaves Bush
>>>& Blair open to accusations of war crimes.
>>>
>>> A fairly well used reward for war criminals of Bush & Blairs
>>>ilk is the death penalty.
>>>
>>>Thus the post is on topic.
>>>
>>>Glad to have cleared things up for you my son!
>
>> Bullshit.
>
>What is, Richard ? That the war in Iraq was illegal, and that the
>kidnappings and extrajudicial executions of the courageous Iraqi resistance
>fighters is, and always will be, illegal ?
>
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>Yamaha YZF-R1 (2002)
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<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: We Were Right ...
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: 11 Sep 2003 16:41:30 GMT
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>Le 11 Sep 2003 16:15:46 GMT, Desmond Coughlan
><pasdespa...@zeouane.org> a écrit :
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>>>> What is, Richard ? That the war in Iraq was illegal, and that the
>>>> kidnappings and extrajudicial executions of the courageous Iraqi
>>> resistance
>>>> fighters is, and always will be, illegal ?
>
>>> Sorry Dezi, but the US war against terrorism is not illegal. Stop making
>>> things up to suite your needs.
>
>> Tell us, Shit-For-Brains#2 ...
>>
>> 1. What proof is there that Iraq was behind '9/11' (sic) or any other
>> terrorist act of recent years ?
>>
>> 2. Based on (1), what is the legal basis for the invasion of Iraq ?
>
>Whilst we're about it, Shit-For-Brains#2 ... since you like to keep
>claiming that I never answer a direct question, let's recap those direct
>questions that the Angelic Ones have put to you over the past few months,
>and on which you have remained completely silent ...
>
>When you said ...
>
> '... we owe a great deal to dollycoughlanjr for archiving your posts.
> By doing this, he has allowed up to revisit your past messages and
> remind you what you said'
>
>... you certainly weren't anticipating that it would come back and bite
>you, were you, Shit-For-Brains#2 ? So have you found where I claimed to
>have founded this newsgroup ? Found where I claimed to have tried to
>seduce a fifteen-year-old girl ? Found where I claimed that the Russians
>won WWII 'because they suffered more casualties' ...
>
>When you've answered that one, I'm sure that
>news:alt.activism.death-penalty is just _dying_ to know why you claim to be
>an ex-cop, when you are so thick that you believe that smoking a joint and
>then driving a car whilst stoned and possibly killing someone, constitutes
>one crime, and not two.
>
>When you've finished answering that one, we're all waiting for a report on
>how you were going to 'expose' me as _not_ being a lawyer. Of course,
>everyone 'KNOWS' (sic) the answer. Either a) you've looked into it and
>found that I am in fact a substitute prosecutor, and have decided to shut
>the fuck up, knowing that you'll only be made to look even _more_ stupid if
>you admit your cock-up, or b) you've realised that to 'investigate' this
>would require your giving your real name to those whom you ask for
>information, and on the off-chance that I might be telling the truth (which
>I am), you know that I would then have your real name.
>
>Either way, you're a sister-shagging spastic, but then we'll all forgive
>that, just as soon as you 'expose' me.
>
>ROTFLMAO !!!
>
>Moving swiftly along, Shit-For-Brains#2, we come to your claims not that
>long before the United States unlawful war of aggression against the
>impoverished Iraqi people, when, in answer to a question as to whether you
>considered Iraq to be a threat to 'America' (sic), you answered 'Yes'.
>
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>We're waiting, Shit-For-Brains#2 ..........
>
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>Yamaha YZF-R1 (2002)
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Mr Q. Z. Diablo
[of Iraq]
> 2. Their participation in the 9-11 terrorist attack.
Can you provide us with evidence that Iraq was involved in the September 11,
2001 attacks on the United States? You would be the first person in the world
to do so, Jiggy, so think of it as your chance at 15 minutes of fame.
Jigsaw1695
"Mr Q. Z. Diablo" <sa...@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
news:_R88b.95904$bo1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> In article <Jd58b.937$%G3....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Jigsaw1695 wrote:
>
> [of Iraq]
>
> > 2. Their participation in the 9-11 terrorist attack.
>
> Can you provide us with evidence that Iraq was involved in the September
11,
> 2001 attacks on the United States? You would be the first person in the
world
> to do so, Jiggy, so think of it as your chance at 15 minutes of fame.
>
> Mr Q. Z. D.
Fifteen minutes of Fame? Been there, done that, even got the press clippings
and the video tape. And it aint all it is cracked up to be.
Jigsaw
A Planet Visitor
>Le Tue, 09 Sep 2003 07:55:40 -0400, RichardJ <rjac...@myvine.com> a écrit :
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>>>As Desmond pointed out, the war in Iraq is illegal. This leaves Bush
>>>& Blair open to accusations of war crimes.
>>>
>>> A fairly well used reward for war criminals of Bush & Blairs
>>>ilk is the death penalty.
>>>
>>>Thus the post is on topic.
>>>
>>>Glad to have cleared things up for you my son!
>
>> Bullshit.
>
>What is, Richard ? That the war in Iraq was illegal, and that the
>kidnappings and extrajudicial executions of the courageous Iraqi resistance
>fighters is, and always will be, illegal ?
>
Another one who bemoans the passing of the regime of that 'great leader'
Saddam. What did euro have to say about Saddam? Oh, yes... the
coalition removed that "powerless dicator." Laughed at any more
murders lately, Oh Nameless One?
PV
Some space saver devices --
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/JPB.html
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/Goblin.htm
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/desi-JPB-love-affair.htm
>--
>The Nameless One
Dolly B.Coughlan Jr
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: We Were Right ...
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: 12 Sep 2003 11:30:21 GMT
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>Le Thu, 11 Sep 2003 20:49:45 GMT, Jigsaw1695 <jigsa...@earthlink.net> a
>écrit :
>
>>> >> 1. What proof is there that Iraq was behind '9/11' (sic) or any other
>>> >> terrorist act of recent years ?
>>> >>
>>> >> 2. Based on (1), what is the legal basis for the invasion of Iraq ?
>
>> 1. There is more than ample proof that Iraq was deep;y involved in the
>> planning and execution of several terrorist acts, including using WMD on
>its
>> own people.
>
>Killing one's own people, Shit-For-Brains#2, horrendous as it may be, is
>not 'terrorism'. Terrorism is attempting to effect the overthrow of a
>regime (democratically elected or otherwise) by the use of terror tactics.
>Hence the name.
>
>> 2. Their participation in the 9-11 terrorist attack.
>
>ROTFLMAO !!!!
>
>You're as thick as shit, Shit-For-Brains#2. You have no proof; no one has
>any proof, for the simple reason that there is none. Simply stating it,
>doesn't make it happen.
>
>Provide proof.
>
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>Desmond Coughlan |desmond [at] zeouane [dot] org
>Yamaha YZF-R1 (2002)
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Dolly B.Coughlan Jr
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>Date: 12 Sep 2003 11:31:09 GMT
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>Le Fri, 12 Sep 2003 01:35:09 GMT, Jigsaw1695 <jigsa...@earthlink.net> a
>écrit :
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>>> Can you provide us with evidence that Iraq was involved in the September
>>> 11, 2001 attacks on the United States? You would be the first person in
>>> the world to do so, Jiggy, so think of it as your chance at 15 minutes
>>> of fame.
>
>> Fifteen minutes of Fame? Been there, done that, even got the press
>clippings
>> and the video tape. And it aint all it is cracked up to be.
>
>Conveniently sidestepping Q.'s question ...
>
>>> Can you provide us with evidence that Iraq was involved in the September
>>> 11, 2001 attacks on the United States? You would be the first person in
>>> the world to do so, Jiggy, so think of it as your chance at 15 minutes
>>> of fame.
>
>You can't answer it, can you, you sister-shagging retard ?
>
>--
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>Yamaha YZF-R1 (2002)
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Dolly B.Coughlan Jr
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: We Were Right ...
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: 12 Sep 2003 11:32:40 GMT
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>Le Fri, 12 Sep 2003 06:04:27 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a
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>>>What is, Richard ? That the war in Iraq was illegal, and that the
>>>kidnappings and extrajudicial executions of the courageous Iraqi resistance
>>>fighters is, and always will be, illegal ?
>
>> Another one who bemoans the passing of the regime of that 'great leader'
>> Saddam. What did euro have to say about Saddam? Oh, yes... the
>> coalition removed that "powerless dicator." Laughed at any more
>> murders lately, Oh Nameless One?
>
>ROTFLM*F*AO !!!
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>Another blatant lie by FuckWit, claiming that I 'bemoan' the passing of
>Saddam, when in fact, my post didn't even mention his name _once_.
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>*guffaw*guffaw*guffaw*
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>That one will be remembered for a long time ...
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>Desmond Coughlan |desmond [at] zeouane [dot] org
>Yamaha YZF-R1 (2002)
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
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>Subject: Re: We Were Right ...
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A Planet Visitor
>Le Fri, 12 Sep 2003 06:04:27 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a écrit :
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>>>What is, Richard ? That the war in Iraq was illegal, and that the
>>>kidnappings and extrajudicial executions of the courageous Iraqi resistance
>>>fighters is, and always will be, illegal ?
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>> Another one who bemoans the passing of the regime of that 'great leader'
>> Saddam. What did euro have to say about Saddam? Oh, yes... the
>> coalition removed that "powerless dicator." Laughed at any more
>> murders lately, Oh Nameless One?
>
>ROTFLM*F*AO !!!
>
>Another blatant lie by FuckWit, claiming that I 'bemoan' the passing of
>Saddam, when in fact, my post didn't even mention his name _once_.
>
Of course you do... you silly ass. Sometimes I truly believe that
you do not even understand YOUR OWN WORDS.
>*guffaw*guffaw*guffaw*
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Is that your 'claim' that "I'm a lawyer"? guffaw...guffaw...guffaw...
>That one will be remembered for a long time ...
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Let's hope so. But I seriously doubt it, given the vast reservoir of
other insane ravings you have offered here, which cause your present
stupidity to pale in comparison to --
1) Your admission that your character is more base than Theodore Frank.
and you would murder before he would.
2) Your LAUGH at the murder of more than a dozen innocent human
beings.
3) Your *giggle* at the murder of thousands of innocent human beings,
on the anniversary of their murder.
4) Your preference for the extinction of the entire human race, rather
than one single innocent be executed by the State.
5) Your delusion that you are God.
6) Your BEGGING the entire group to _vote_ for you.
7) Your paranoid fear that 'unnamed others' are trying to drive you from
AADP.
8) Your many expressions of your racism.
9) Your many demonstrations of your pseudo-intellect.
10) And finally... your statement that you 'abuse' retentionists in an
emotional screaming rant featuring the 'torture' and 'killing' of all
retentionists in a pent-up furious outburst of your primal animal
instinct rage. A rage in which you picture yourself as an abolitionist/cat...
ripping to shreds a retentionist/sparrow.
Shit... and THAT'S just the 'short list.'
><cue FuckWit Patented Gimmick (TM) N° 68 ...
> url:http://www.chez.com/desmondcoughlan/dp/gimmicks/68.html
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Cue a few more pathetic gimmicks from you...
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/desi-JPB-love-affair.htm
PV
>--
>The Nameless (Obscenely frivolous) One
Dolly B.Coughlan Jr
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: We Were Right ...
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: 13 Sep 2003 14:18:00 GMT
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>Le Fri, 12 Sep 2003 21:13:37 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a
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>>>>>What is, Richard ? That the war in Iraq was illegal, and that the
>>>>>kidnappings and extrajudicial executions of the courageous Iraqi
>resistance
>>>>>fighters is, and always will be, illegal ?
>
>>>> Another one who bemoans the passing of the regime of that 'great leader'
>>>> Saddam. What did euro have to say about Saddam? Oh, yes... the
>>>> coalition removed that "powerless dicator." Laughed at any more
>>>> murders lately, Oh Nameless One?
>
>>>ROTFLM*F*AO !!!
>>>
>>>Another blatant lie by FuckWit, claiming that I 'bemoan' the passing of
>>>Saddam, when in fact, my post didn't even mention his name _once_.
>
>> Of course you do... you silly ass. Sometimes I truly believe that
>> you do not even understand YOUR OWN WORDS.
>
>Whereas, you silly 'ass' (sic), my words did not mention the name of Saddam
>Hussein even _once_. Ho, ho, ho ... even _you_ can count that high !!
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>>>That one will be remembered for a long time ...
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>> Let's hope so.
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>*chortle*
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>FuckWit still hasn't got over the fact that 'as dumb as FuckWit' is the
>number one insult on news:alt.activism.death-penalty ...
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>{ snip FuckWit Patented Gimmicks (TM), N°s 68, 171, 166, 172 and 173
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>Yamaha YZF-R1 (2002)
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Just passing by
> 3) Your *giggle* at the murder of thousands of innocent human beings,
> on the anniversary of their murder.
PV, a request.
Can you please post the URL to any post in which Desmond has, as you
put it, giggled "at the murder of thousands of innocent human beings,
on the anniversary of their murder"?
Please note that all I am asking for is the URL and nothing else.
Please don't give me your personal interpretations of whatever he may
have written or of what you might consider to be giggling. I am
capable of looking through a post myself without being told how to
read it, as I'm sure everyone else here is.
So just the URL please, that's all.
Thank you.
A Planet Visitor
>Le Fri, 12 Sep 2003 21:13:37 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a écrit :
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>>>>>What is, Richard ? That the war in Iraq was illegal, and that the
>>>>>kidnappings and extrajudicial executions of the courageous Iraqi resistance
>>>>>fighters is, and always will be, illegal ?
>
>>>> Another one who bemoans the passing of the regime of that 'great leader'
>>>> Saddam. What did euro have to say about Saddam? Oh, yes... the
>>>> coalition removed that "powerless dicator." Laughed at any more
>>>> murders lately, Oh Nameless One?
>
>>>ROTFLM*F*AO !!!
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>>>Another blatant lie by FuckWit, claiming that I 'bemoan' the passing of
>>>Saddam, when in fact, my post didn't even mention his name _once_.
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>> Of course you do... you silly ass. Sometimes I truly believe that
>> you do not even understand YOUR OWN WORDS.
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>Whereas, you silly 'ass' (sic), my words did not mention the name of Saddam
>Hussein even _once_. Ho, ho, ho ... even _you_ can count that high !!
>
Whereas those "courageous Iraqi resistance fighters" represent both
Saddam... and your bemoaning. Mr. D. pegged you perfectly...
Ol' man hyperbole.
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>>>That one will be remembered for a long time ...
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>> Let's hope so.
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>*chortle*
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>FuckWit still hasn't got over the fact that 'as dumb as FuckWit' is the
>number one insult on news:alt.activism.death-penalty ...
>
That title has been yours since your first post, sport. Many have mentioned
it -- Even those who hold the same agenda as you do regarding the DP.
In fact, one has found you so dumb that he has killfiled you for PERSONAL
REASONS. While we have these posters who hold the same agenda as
you, who have these comments to say about you. --
St. George --
"GODAMMIT DESMOND, YOU ARE SUCH AN ARSEHOLE SOMETIMES!"
St. George --
"I hope you don't really believe that your presence here is of any real benefit
whatsoever to abolitionism. "
St. George --
"Until then, you are succeeding only in making the abolitionist side look stupid."
John Rennie --
"You do more to further the retentionist cause than any retentionist poster which is
why PV and Jiggy are so pleased to have you back with us.
St. George --
"you challenge me to provide proof positive of your dishonesty. I have this proof,
Desmond."
St. George --
"I *never* lie on the newsgroups, Desmond - a distinction that you most definitely do
not share."
St. George --
"ROTFL! Poor old Desmond - so torn up with self-loathing, and consequent reverse
jingoism, that he fails to realise the ridiculousness of his last statement!
St. George -- "Desmond, this statement is, quite literally, the most idiotic I have
EVER read on this or indeed any other newsgroup."
John Rennie --
"Desmond, you're a fucking prick!"
John Rennie --
"I often feel the same after reading yet another ludicrous comment from
Desmond. He does 'enormous damage' to the abolitionist cause."
St. George --
"I find Desmond's views, on _all_ issues, to be objectionable and ludicrous."
Mr. D. --
"We only had nutbars like HI1k and Desmond's love of hyperbole to deal
with. "
Mr D. --
"Surely that's a Desmond-like piece of hyperbole!"
Donna --
"I did not read his comment which I certainly agree is obscene, now that you
point it out to me."
And John Rennie -- commenting on your insult of MLK --
"I will break my own vow of silence about commenting on Desmond's
posts when I say that his attack on PV's tribute to King was amongst
his worst."
And let's not forget that if you claim I am dumb... what does that make
you, if you have ADMITTED -- "PV is right"?
Of course... you still have your SLURP-SLURP 'disciple' -- good ol' JPB.
Now if you two could just stop calling each other liars!!
>{ snip FuckWit Patented Gimmicks (TM), N°s 68, 171, 166, 172 and 173
> url:http://www.chez.com/desmondcoughlan/dp/gimmicks/68.html
> url:http://www.chez.com/desmondcoughlan/dp/gimmicks/171.html
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Whenever you post a large number of your 'mindless drivel' gimmick
lies... I am assured that I have hit a tender spot in that overinflated
ego of yours. This is obviously one of these 'magic moments' I
so relish.
PV takes out anti-racist stick provide to him by Jedi Master Mr. D.>
spank...spank...spank...
<dusting hands in satisfaction... PV replaces anti-racist stick in golden
scabbard of TRUTH. Bows toward Mr. D.>
Ahhh.... That FEELS GOOD!!! A good spank...spank...spanking
applied with my stick to the Nameless One' lying ass. my self-respect
has most certainly been elevated, in the spanking of the MASTER OF
THE LIE
PV
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/desi_begs.htm
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>The Nameless One
A Planet Visitor
You're welcome --here you go --
A post from him on Sep 11, 2003, again providing his 'signature
giggle' on the anniversary of the murder of 3,000 innocent humans --
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20030911165918.21457.00000507%40mb-m10.aol.com
There are a number of others. More than 60 times prior to my polite
and serious request, in Feb 2003, asking him to stop *giggling*
following each use of the term 9-11. He stopped then... for almost
six months... but could no longer contain his *giggling* and resumed
it less than a month ago in another post, and has continued to provide
his 'signature giggle' to 9-11, at every opportunity since then. I have
no doubt that he must have been 'pulling out his hair' during the six months
he agreed not to use his 'signature giggle' and could simply not suppress
it any longer.
You may not wish to accept it.. but it is clearly there. Each time the
phrase 9/11, or 9-11 is used, you will find the Nameless One again
*giggles* after it, by appending his 'signature giggle' of a (sic) to
that phrase.
There came a point in the past, when it so sickened me each time I
saw it, that I asked him politely and seriously not to do so...and said
I would no longer refer to it as such, or mention it ever again... if he
did not add that ugly, ugly *giggle* after it, since it was seen by me
to be an insult to the memory of those dead. See my polite request --
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=bmtb5vc5bs3k03fbgv83j6i1l2vbkb94uq%404ax.com
My words - "I would ask you politely and seriously to not use a (sic)
after 9-11 in the future. It disturbs me, and I see it as an insult to
those dead, whether you do or not. The reaction from me, should
at least be recognized by you as a human reaction. I ask you this
in all seriousness."
At that time, he 'assured' me that 'it was not a giggle' but he would
never use it again. Here are his words in response to my polite and
serious request --
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20030222003227.26864.00002175%40mb-mq.aol.com
His words in agreeing not to use a 'sic' in the future -- "However,
considering the manner in which you requested that I refrain from
using a 'sic', I shall oblige."
I had NEVER mentioned it again from that moment, simply happy
that I no longer had to see that 'signature giggle' and quite willing to
no longer speak of it in any way, in terms of 'recalling' it from the
past. Yet, from the example shown above, he has simply disregarded his
agreement that he would not use his 'signature giggle' (sic) after 9-11,
or 9/11.
Thus... we see another example of the Nameless One having the
inability to even 'keep his word,' in this pitiful forum... as he resumes
his 'signature giggle' about the murder of 3,000 innocent human beings.
What a sickening display of 'hate' for those 3,000 innocent human
beings he is now repeating. Little wonder that I found him LAUGHING
at the murder of 'merely' a dozen innocent human beings. That's
'small potatoes' to the Nameless One. Keeping racist murderers
ALIVE is much more important than a murderer murdering an
innocent.
Think I'm exaggerating? Another of his famous TRUE QUOTES -- When
speaking of a comparison of the State executing a TRUE murderer (a
beast was the reference), and the murder of an innocent by that 'beast
having been wrongly released,' the Nameless One stated "No. The
murder of an innocent by a wrongly released murderer is the lesser of
two evils." See --
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=slrn8ivkee.h9b.desmond%40lievre.voute.net
You MUST realize that the Nameless One has PROVEN over and over
that the innocent victim is TOTALLY UNIMPORTANT TO HIM.
It is ALL about the MURDERER. Of course, then he has ALSO
said --- "_no_ serious abolitionist on this group has advocated the release of
convicted murderers in all the time I have been posting to this group." See --
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=slrn8sekpq.dfh.desmond%40lievre.voute.net
Yet it sure seems to me he advocates exactly that, if the choice is to
execute that murderer, or 'wrongly release' him to murder an innocent
again, when he sees as the "lesser of two evils."
It just keeps getting better and better. Think he doesn't LAUGH when
innocent people die, or are murdered by terrorists? Think again.
When two F-16's crashed off the California coast and humans died...
he made 'light' of it... and could hardly suppress his laughter, by says --
Thou shalt "... not be a Pacific Ocean, unless you want to get 'lit up' ... right,
Jigsaw ??!!" See --
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021018212910.06896.00004124%40mb-mv.aol.com
And he has laughed over the cable car tragedy in Italy... See -
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=slrn924cfg.ebd.desmond%40lievre.voute.net
And he has had a hearty LAUGH at the terrorist murders in the McDonald's in
Moscow...with the 'comic joke' that "M At least we know that they like good
food ...^M"
See --
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021020212952.10684.00003505%40mb-cu.aol.com
And his laughter at the Moscow theater terrorist attack that resulted in the
death of a great number of innocent human beings -- his 'comic joke' that
"... damn, those evil terrorists, when will Bush invade Iraq, and stop 'em, eh ?"
See --
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021024212938.18726.00000086%40mb-fe.aol.com
My point is... if it isn't a murderer's life at risk... The Nameless One just
doesn't give a flying fuck.. and will laugh and giggle and joke over and
over about such tragedies and murder... as he most definitely did (and
Donna recognized that laughter) at the murder of more than a dozen
innocents in Jakarta.
PV
Just passing by
> On 14 Sep 2003 12:33:05 -0700, unimpre...@yahoo.com (Just passing by) wrote:
>
> >A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<jec4mvc71uf1q1pg9...@4ax.com>...
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> >
> >> 3) Your *giggle* at the murder of thousands of innocent human beings,
> >> on the anniversary of their murder.
> >
> >PV, a request.
> >
> >Can you please post the URL to any post in which Desmond has, as you
> >put it, giggled "at the murder of thousands of innocent human beings,
> >on the anniversary of their murder"?
> >
> >Please note that all I am asking for is the URL and nothing else.
> >Please don't give me your personal interpretations of whatever he may
> >have written or of what you might consider to be giggling. I am
> >capable of looking through a post myself without being told how to
> >read it, as I'm sure everyone else here is.
> >
> >So just the URL please, that's all.
> >
> >Thank you.
>
> You're welcome --here you go --
> A post from him on Sep 11, 2003, again providing his 'signature
> giggle' on the anniversary of the murder of 3,000 innocent humans --
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20030911165918.21457.00000507%40mb-m10.aol.com
< everything else clipped and unread >
PV, I asked for the URL(s) only and made a point of requesting that
you spare me your interpretations. But you just can't control
yourself, can you? I clicked on the first URL you provided, read it,
confirmed my own expectation that there was no giggling by Desmond and
that you were lying, then ignored the rest of your reply without
clicking on any of the others.
I told you I was not interested in your interpretations and comments,
but just in the URLs. So you wasted your time (though not mine) in
posting all that other stuff because it was very quickly scanned but
not read.
A Planet Visitor
>A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<gspcmvgd78ludp0o2...@4ax.com>...
>> On 14 Sep 2003 12:33:05 -0700, unimpre...@yahoo.com (Just passing by) wrote:
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>> >A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<jec4mvc71uf1q1pg9...@4ax.com>...
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>> >
>> >> 3) Your *giggle* at the murder of thousands of innocent human beings,
>> >> on the anniversary of their murder.
>> >
>> >PV, a request.
>> >
>> >Can you please post the URL to any post in which Desmond has, as you
>> >put it, giggled "at the murder of thousands of innocent human beings,
>> >on the anniversary of their murder"?
>> >
>> >Please note that all I am asking for is the URL and nothing else.
>> >Please don't give me your personal interpretations of whatever he may
>> >have written or of what you might consider to be giggling. I am
>> >capable of looking through a post myself without being told how to
>> >read it, as I'm sure everyone else here is.
>> >
>> >So just the URL please, that's all.
>> >
>> >Thank you.
>>
>> You're welcome --here you go --
>> A post from him on Sep 11, 2003, again providing his 'signature
>> giggle' on the anniversary of the murder of 3,000 innocent humans --
>> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20030911165918.21457.00000507%40mb-m10.aol.com
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Of course.. none are so blind as those who will not see. or read.
Do you have any idea how stupid you look, when you claim you
haven't read it... but you still post to it? You should really learn
to just keep quiet, and let others THINK you read it... instead
of admitting you are too ignorant TO read it.
>PV, I asked for the URL(s) only and made a point of requesting that
>you spare me your interpretations.
Whether you find it an 'interpretation' or not, you should realize that
the Nameless One made a promise (agreement... whatever). And
he obviously is of such low moral character that his word cannot
be trusted. Wouldn't you agree that he DID say "However,
considering the manner in which you requested that I refrain from
using a 'sic', I shall oblige."???
Can you possibly see a LIE in those words... now that I have
provided his post from 9/11 2003? Do you remember that he
once posted his alternate gimmick n° 68 --
== The Nameless One's claim of being persecuted in AADP == See -
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=slrn8clfa5.1cl.desmond%40lievre.voute.net
His words -- "You (and the others who sought to force me off the group)
have yet to provide a single iota of evidence that I have lied to this
newsgroup."
It would appear he lied back in Feb 2003. Since he's up to
his old *giggle* after promising not to.
Can you parse the meaning of - I shall oblige you in your request
that I refrain from using a 'sic'- ? Is it impossible for you to now
see he LIED back then? Could my request have been framed in
a more responsible manner... without even a hint of anything
other than an appeal, which he characterized as begging, before
he began using that 'signature giggle' again? It is thus hard for me
NOT to demonize him... since he so thoroughly demonstrates the
necessity of doing so, so often.
So... what do you make of that... now that I have provided the post
where he again offers his *giggle* at 9/11? Do you think any
respectable source offers such a *giggle*?. Do you think any
respected publication in the U.K. offers a (sic) after using the
phrase 9/11, which has taken on a meaning quite independent
of the Nameless One's *giggle* at presuming his is the Master
of the Universe? Let's take a look... shall we? --
The BBC --
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3107597.stm
Quoting - Saudis 'outraged' at 9/11 secrecy.
The British Council
http://www2.britishcouncil.org/911scholarships.htm
Quoting - 9/11 Scholarship Funds
The Independent
http://news.independent.co.uk/business/news/story.jsp?story=435958
Quoting - Hiscox profits on track for £25m despite 9/11 losses
Even a very anti-American British maintained site --
http://www.stormtronic.co.uk/9-11/main.htm
Still has the courtesy and the respect for those murdered dead to
refer to it as 9-11, without adding the Nameless One's 'signature
giggle' of a sickening (sic).
Do you see how he cannot be respected, given that these
entities who have respect in the U.K., are above such behavior?
If those entities did not respect the use of that phrase, which
has taken on an meaning other than a date, they would simply
not use it. But they DO use it... which means it has become
acceptable usage... without the Nameless One's 'signature
giggle.' Given that those respected British sources do not
follow the use of 9/11 with a (sic), then exactly what is the
purpose of the Nameless One doing so... if not to *giggle*?
Don't tell me... he's just expressing 'sarcasm.' 'Sarcasm'
at the murder of 3,000 innocent human beings. What he
is expressing, is more likely 'joy' at the fact that he presumes
the U.S. 'deserved the murder of 3,000 innocent humans.'
In fact, there is no question in my mind that this is EXACTLY
what he thinks... thus the *giggle* at the thought of the U.S.
'getting' what he believe the U.S. deserved.
> But you just can't control yourself, can you?
Not when it comes to things such as this. Or your racism. After
all... I have my self-respect to consider. Oopss. I forgot..
you don't know what 'self-respect' is... and I certainly don't
have the time to explain it to you. It's just one of those emotions
that you don't possess... like shame... and compassion... and honor.
> I clicked on the first URL you provided, read it,
>confirmed my own expectation that there was no giggling by Desmond and
>that you were lying, then ignored the rest of your reply without
>clicking on any of the others.
I was quite sure you would do just that. Since there are almost a
hundred of his *giggles* he has offered each time he makes a
reference to 9-11 or 9/11. He is not SATISFIED with simply
using the European method of dating without making any other
comment. He IS COMPELLED to USE the American dating
system, and ALWAYS add his 'signature giggle.' It would be
one thing to IGNORE the use of it, and ignore it when others use
it, simply using the method he prefers when he refers to it.
But that is NOT what he intends to achieve. He INTENDS
to *giggle* over the fact that those murders occurred
on U.S. soil. He is out to make a POINT with his *giggle*.
That point being that he is HAPPY that it occurred. The date
holds a significance to him other than what it holds for reasoning
humans. It hold a significance where he believe 'the U.S.
received its deserved comeuppance." The murder of 3,000 is
not important to him. To him...the U.S. received its deserved
comeuppance, from those 19 brave, martyred 'freedom fighters.'
The murdered victims are dead... and cannot be honored,
punished or spat upon, as far as he is concerned. After all, the
U.S. executes proven murderers, and he'd rather see the
extinction of our entire species than that. So those 3,000
innocent victims are simply to be *giggled* about... because
to him... the U.S. received its deserved comeuppance.
Thus, it brings a smile to his lips at the thought... and he cannot
suppress that *giggle* when he mentions it.
The question is WHY would you think he has this obsessive
need to add his *giggle* other than what I have explained, given
the entire body of his posting history here in AADP? I mean,
you're AADP's resident expect in obsessions... so you would
be the one to ask. Why must he INSULT those murdered
victims? What drives his insane need to USE this other dating
system and ALWAYS add his 'signature giggle'? And why
are you so blind that you cannot see it? Oh... sorry... we have
already determined the answer to that last question... see [1]
>
>I told you I was not interested in your interpretations and comments,
>but just in the URLs. So you wasted your time (though not mine) in
>posting all that other stuff because it was very quickly scanned but
>not read.
"scanned but not read"??? You are one of the most ignorant posters
I have come across. How essentially can you 'scan' it... and not
'read' it? Oh...yes ... of course..the words were perhaps too big
for you. You can only absorb content if it is in 'comic book'
picture form. That's how you can 'scan' but not 'read.'
PV
Just passing by
< everything clipped and unread >
And speaking of giggling, who is now giggling about the holocaust?
Oh yes, PV, everyone is well aware of how you post an outrageous lie,
such as that Desmond pulls sparrows wings off, or that I called the
judge a crook, or that Peter said that criminals deserve to be
murdered, and then sit back laughing at the stink it causes, like the
childish troll you are.
But you have gone too far this time with your trolling and giggling
about the holocaust. This is what you wrote in at least two posts
yesterday:
> JPB's obsession
> with defending anti-Semites who argue that no Jews were murdered
> in Dachau, because 'Dachau was not a death-camp for Jews.'
I have never mentioned Dachau; I have never been involved in any
discussion, here or elsewhere, about Dachau; I have never referred to
anyone else's discussion about Dachau.
If you can prove that wrong, then do so now or be damned not only as a
liar, but as one who has used the holocaust as something to giggle
over, something to troll about, and something to create your latest
gimmick upon.
You (wrongly) accused Desmond of giggling about Sept 11, and then
giggled yourself as you used the holocaust as your latest topic with
which to play your childish games.
And to PV's fans:
The next time you want to criticise me or Desmond for exposing your
hero's bogus anti racism while blatantly ignoring his far more serious
accusations against us - as you always do - don't expect me not to
throw this one in your faces.
PV: the man who giggled at the holocaust.
A Planet Visitor
>Le Mon, 15 Sep 2003 04:16:43 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a écrit :
>
>{ snip }
>
>>>Whereas, you silly 'ass' (sic), my words did not mention the name of Saddam
>>>Hussein even _once_. Ho, ho, ho ... even _you_ can count that high !!
>
>> Whereas those "courageous Iraqi resistance fighters" represent both
>> Saddam... and your bemoaning. Mr. D. pegged you perfectly...
>> Ol' man hyperbole.
>
>Ho, ho, ho ... quick, FuckWit, claim ol' 74 !!!
>
>url:http://www.chez.com/desmondcoughlan/dp/gimmicks/74.html
>
>LM*ANGELIC*AO !!!
>
>{ snip }
>
>> St. George --
>> "GODAMMIT DESMOND, YOU ARE SUCH AN ARSEHOLE SOMETIMES!"
>
Damn... could Mark pick 'em out of a crowd!!!
>{ snip }
>
>LMAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>So let's see. We have St-George criticising me, a point of view which he
>has admitted is _nothing_ to do with my opposition to the death penalty,
>and which is somewhat natural, given his strong Thatcherite policies.
>Indeed, his words a while back, are much more telling ...
>
> 'Despite my manifold and virulent objections to his opinion on all
> issues, he is clearly principled, honest and peaceful.'
> (url:http://www.google.fr/groups?selm=9gjadt%24d2j%241%40newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain)
>
LOL... Yeah.... right... he also called you a liar a number of times...
Some abolitionists 'like you,' because they are also abolitionists.
That is... until they get to KNOW YOU. Then they possibly
killfile you BECAUSE they PERSONALLY KNOW YOU.
So let's take a look at some of Mark's other comments about you --
"you challenge me to provide proof positive of your dishonesty. I have this proof,
Desmond."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=87fei0%24ht%241%40lure.pipex.net
"I *never* lie on the newsgroups, Desmond - a distinction that you most definitely do
not share."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8a9hju%24suv%241%40lure.pipex.net
"I find Desmond's views, on _all_ issues, to be objectionable and ludicrous."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=ahtqce%246mo%241%40venus.btinternet.com
"ROTFL! Poor old Desmond - so torn up with self-loathing, and consequent reverse
jingoism, that he fails to realise the ridiculousness of his last statement!
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8n01d6%24cn3%241%40lure.pipex.net
"Desmond, this statement is, quite literally, the most idiotic I have EVER read on
this or indeed any other newsgroup."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=7s9fo4%24da2%241%40nnrp1.deja.com
"I hope you don't really believe that your presence here is of any real benefit
whatsoever to abolitionism. "
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8ncja5%24jp%241%40lure.pipex.net
"Until then, you are succeeding only in making the abolitionist side look stupid."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8hnlev%24r20%241%40lure.pipex.net
Yeah... he really thought you were a 'winner,' Oh Nameless One.
>Then we have John's criticism, which has done more to harm his image on
>news:alt.activism.death-penalty, than anything else, and finally, FuckWit
>tops it off with Donna's unfortunate comment, based as it was on a false
>premise, and thus has _zero_ validity in the context which she intended it.
>
>ROTFLMAO !!!
>
>Is that the lot, FuckWit ? Ho, ho, ho (oops, there I go being 'angry'
>again!!), why not top it off with Shit-For-Brains#2 telling me that I'm a
>'Froggy Dumbfuck' ... watch me cry. Boo ! Hoo !!
>
Well... there's Dave Proctor confirming that you post only "mindless drivel."
And Donna claiming you turn her stomach, and found your laughing at
the murder of more than a dozen innocent humans to be obscene.
Of course, you characterized her as too stupid to have made such an
examination... not being able to actually locate your post. Needing to
'rely' on my information instead.
How many reasonable abolitionists do you want, Oh Nameless One?
GIven that you've certainly pissed off four of them, plus having chased
from the group for a short time, the only retentionist you ever
characterized as reasonable. You once expressed fear that 'others'
were trying to chase you from the group because you lie so much...
soon your lies will leave you with only JPB, against me... Since I'm
not leaving no matter how many lies you post. Thankfully, you
are both such intellectual lightweights that I can handle the both of you
with my left brain lobe, tucked neatly behind my left ear.
PV
>*guffaw!!!*
>
>{ snip various gimmicks ... sorry, 'gimmicks' (sic [1]), namely N°s
> 166, 68, 171, and 172
> http://www.chez.com/desmondcoughlan/dp/gimmicks/166.html
> http://www.chez.com/desmondcoughlan/dp/gimmicks/68.html
> http://www.chez.com/desmondcoughlan/dp/gimmicks/171.html
> http://www.chez.com/desmondcoughlan/dp/gimmicks/172.html
>}
>
>
>[1] ROTFLMAO !!!
More "mindless drivel" from the Nameless One. LAUGHED at any murders
lately, Oh Nameless One? I mean since that last time you 'enjoyed a huge
belly-laugh; at the murder of 'only' a little more than a dozen innocent
humans beings you called simply 'population control in Indonesia'?
Dreamt about yourself as a cat... torturing and killing innocent retentionist
sparrows?
PV
BTW -- Only 105 days left... soon down to double-digits. Remember your
'guarantee' that the U.S. DP would be abolished by 2004?
>--
>The Nameless One
A Planet Visitor
>Le Tue, 16 Sep 2003 03:07:16 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a écrit :
>
>>>> 3) Your *giggle* at the murder of thousands of innocent human beings,
>>>> on the anniversary of their murder.
>
>>>PV, a request.
>>>
>>>Can you please post the URL to any post in which Desmond has, as you
>>>put it, giggled "at the murder of thousands of innocent human beings,
>>>on the anniversary of their murder"?
>>>
>>>Please note that all I am asking for is the URL and nothing else.
>>>Please don't give me your personal interpretations of whatever he may
>>>have written or of what you might consider to be giggling. I am
>>>capable of looking through a post myself without being told how to
>>>read it, as I'm sure everyone else here is.
>>>
>>>So just the URL please, that's all.
>>>
>>>Thank you.
>
>> You're welcome --here you go --
>> A post from him on Sep 11, 2003, again providing his 'signature
>> giggle' on the anniversary of the murder of 3,000 innocent humans --
>> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20030911165918.21457.00000507%40mb-m10.aol.com
>
>ROTFLMAAO !!!
>
>Not only does FuckWit not post a URL containing a post by me, but ... <fx:
>bites tongue to avoid laughing> ... he posts a URL _without_ a 'giggle' in
>it !!
>
>Oh 'God' (sic), thank you, for this is one of FuckWit's greatest own
>goals!!! This one approaches 'Rhodes', 'Mitigating Circumstances' and
>'Rule 25[b][2]' as FuckWit being a fuckwit !!
>
>LOL !! LOL !! LM*A*AO !!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>{ snip couple of hundred lines in which FuckWit _anticipates_ everyone
> pointing out that he's a liar, by invoking FuckWit Patented Gimmick (TM)
> N° 147, the 'post infantile cack and then anticipate response in order to
> dissuade that response' gimmick [1], followed up with some more
> invocatios of FuckWit Patented Gimmick (TM) N° 166, the 'the lie becomes
> the truth' gimmick [2], topped off with the now mandatory Saddam Hussein
> Special, aka FuckWit Patented Gimmick (TM) N° 68 [3]
>}
>
The *giggles* are all there, sport... and all your now obvious banging of
your head against your desk, and pounding your fist in frustration will
do you not a whit of good. Your 'word' has been PROVEN to be
worthless, which makes EVERYTHING you've ever posted SUSPECT,
even with those who would blindly presume you are not as evil as I have
found you to be. Many of them have now started to see 'the blinding
light of truth,' and recognize the 'dark side' of evil in you. Can you
provide even a single instance where you've KEPT a promise?
...
...
...
<shit... you can hear a pin drop>
THOSANDS OF INNOCENTS, sport... MURDERED,
and I was quite sure you would eventually find the impulse
to again *giggle* at those murders simply too overpowering
to resist. Since there are almost a hundred of your *giggles*
you hav posted each time you make a reference to 9-11
or 9/11. You are not SATISFIED with simply using the
European method of dating without making any other
comment. YOU ARE COMPELLED to USE the American
dating system, yet ALWAYS add your 'signature giggle.' It
would be one thing to IGNORE the use of it, and ignore it
when others use it, simply using the method YOU prefer
when you refer to it. But that is NOT what you intend to
achieve. You intend to *giggle* over the fact that those
murders occurred on U.S. soil. You are out to make a
POINT with your *giggle*. That point being that you are
HAPPY that it occurred. The date holds a significance to
you other than what it holds for reasoning humans. It hold
a significance where you believe 'the U.S. received its
deserved comeuppance.' The murder of 3,000 is
not important to you To YOU...the U.S. received its deserved
comeuppance, from those 19 brave, martyred 'freedom fighters.'
The murdered victims are dead... and cannot be honored,
punished or spat upon, as far as you are concerned. After all, the
U.S. executes proven murderers, and you'd rather see the
extinction of our entire species than that. So those 3,000
innocent victims are simply to be *giggled* about... because
to you... the U.S. received its deserved comeuppance.
Thus, it brings a smile to your lips at the thought... and you
cannot suppress that *giggle* when you mention it.
And your LAUGHING at the murder of more than a dozen
innocent humans is equally disgusting... calling those murders
'population control.' But given that you've admitted there is
a better chance that you would murder than Theodore Frank
(looks like you're 'safe' there, Nameless One... he's dead), I
suppose you spend much of your waking hours pulling the
wings off of injured sparrows, in between *giggling* and
LAUGHING at murder.
>
>[1] url:http://www.chez.com/desmondcoughlan/dp/gimmicks/147.html
>[2] url:http://www.chez.com/desmondcoughlan/dp/gimmicks/166.html
>[3] url:http://www.chez.com/desmondcoughlan/dp/gimmicks/68.html
Cue another half-dozen 'mindless drivel' gimmicks while unable to
even come up with an 'original' and 'creative' lie, as JPB so idolizes
you for doing.
PV
>--
>The Nameless One
A Planet Visitor
>A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<8cgfmvc41fgtjcsp2...@4ax.com>...
>
>
>< everything clipped and unread >
>
That deserves a ROTFLMAO...
Then how is it possible that you even are commenting on what you
haven't read? Are you still so ignorant as to believe that no one can
see you are speaking out of your ass, if you claim you will now
provide a 'reasoned response' on WHAT YOU HAVE NOT
READ??? Seems to me you're *giggling* at the presumed stupidity
you believe is possessed by the average reader. Believing that they
will accept what follows from you, as you will now rage hysterically
about what YOU HAVE NOT READ.
Trust me... the average reader is clever enough to recognize that if you
intend to reply to any comment, it is ESSENTIAL that you first READ
that comment... not clip it unread, and then go into a whirling dervish,
spittle-filled rage, while banging you head against the desk, about what
you have not read.
Of course, it really doesn't matter, and the gentle reader is already aware
of that from your posting history. Since read or unread, every comment from
you is filled with the most absurd drivel one could possibly imagine. It has
long been recognized that the comments you provide are no different in respect
to what you have read, and what you have not read... you provide only
horseshit... in every case.
>And speaking of giggling, who is now giggling about the holocaust?
Why.. YOU ARE! You can deny it... but everyone can see it. You
are *giggling* at my attack on Ol' Racist Nev's claim that Jews were
not murdered in Dachau. I certainly do not presume anything other
than Dachau was part of the most morally offensive episode in our
entire human history. Ol' Racist Nev thought that 'Dachau wasn't
that bad, compared to Guantanamo.' How many Jews are being
held in Guantanamo? You presume that any attack on an anti-Semite
'deserves' a *giggle* from you, and a firm DEFENSE for that
anti-Semite from you. Thus, there is no doubt that you are *giggling*
about the holocaust itself. I am more sickened by your *giggle* than
anything else, as I am sickened by the Nameless One's *giggle* at
the innocent victims in the WTC attack. You *giggle* in your
defense of Ol' Racist Nev who attempted to imply that 'no Jews
were murdered in Dachau.' I am sickened by the implication that
no Jews were murdered in Dachau, but you seem to find being
sickened by that implication is something you find 'funny,' and need
to *giggle* about. You AGREED with his words.. And decided to
*giggle* by defending Ol' Racist Nev's implication that no Jews
were murdered in Dachau when he stated that he needed to STRESS
that Jews were not murdered in Dachau... with his words --
"I must stress that Dachau, Belson, and Buchanwald were _not_ used
as death-camps for Jews." . See --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=a5ec705.0305290530.16495221%40posting.google.com
Given the fact that Jews were being systematically slaughtered throughout
Europe by the Nazis.... his words imply that those death-camps he
refers to were more on the order of 'safety zones' for Jews rather than
camps where they would be put to death through murder. Simply because
he needed to STRESS that they were NOT "death-camps for Jews." And
you agreed with his conclusion EXACTLY, by characterizing his words
are PERFECTLY ACCURATE, and my characterization of his words as
a lie. YOU are the one *giggling* about the MONSTROUS MURDERS
that took place in Dachau, by DEFENDING Ol' Racist Nev's claim
that Dachau was _not_ used as a death-camp for Jews. You are the
monster who would *giggle* by presuming those murders NEVER
happened in your defense of Ol' Racist Nev's statement. You've now
demonstrated that you are not only a baby-killer lover, and a racist... but
defending an anti-Semite, and a holocaust denier..
>Oh yes, PV, everyone is well aware of how you post an outrageous lie,
>such as that Desmond pulls sparrows wings off, or that I called the
>judge a crook, or that Peter said that criminals deserve to be
>murdered, and then sit back laughing at the stink it causes, like the
>childish troll you are.
All of them TRUE characterization.
1) The Nameless One DID express that he engages in "'abuse' of
deathies as a matter of course." He certainly DID NOT say
- verbal abuse - he was speaking of picturing himself engaged
in - physical abuse - just as he goes on to describe. Your
defense of his outrageously inhuman expression is unbelievable,
given that neither the cat nor the sparrow are human, yet he
places HUMAN BEINGS into a representation of both of
them. Not only in expressing a primal predator/prey instinct, but
denigrating the human species, into a lower form of animal life.
Made so by GOD in his comment!! He went on to explain that
he sees deathies (retentionists) as sparrows he engages in -abusing-
as the cat -abuses- the sparrow. And there is no question what
the cat does to the sparrow in the primal predatory/prey instinct.
Do you also enjoy pulling the wings off of sparrows? -- See
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021024212910.18726.00000056%40mb-fe.aol.com
His words --
"I engage in 'abuse' of deathies as a matter of course.
That's what they're there for. `echo $DEITY` gave them to us,
much as She gave sparrows to the domestic cat. They're
our playthings."
2) You most certainly DID 'call' Judge Zobel a 'crook.' That
is a fundamental truth, if anyone believes that a Judge IS a 'crook'
if he finds an INNOCENT person GUILTY, when he has the
POWER to find that INNOCENT person INNOCENT. I
cannot believe you would not call such a judge a 'crook,' given
how easily you call everyone else in Massachusetts a crook.
Apparently you find him to be the ONLY 'honest' person in
all of Massachusetts, yet he STILL managed to convict someone
you claim he KNOWS was innocent. If HE is 'honest' in
your view, but still convicted the 'Great White Whale' KNOWING
she was innocent... then every damn person in the prosecution
must also be honest. Since they found her guilty, and thus could
have done so even KNOWING that she was innocent. So
anytime you claim 'frame-up,' you should know that NONE
of those in your presumed 'frame-up,' could have been 'crooks.'
Since they could have KNOWN she was innocent, found her
guilty and STILL not have been 'crooks,' if we are to believe
you do not find Judge Zobel to be a 'crook.' In other words...
there ARE NO crooks in the prosecutions of the 'Great White
Whale' if you contend you do NOT THINK JUDGE ZOBEL
WAS A CROOK.
Now if anyone believes that a judge doing so is NOT a 'crooked
judge,' that person better hope he never finds himself as an
INNOCENT person BEFORE that judge. Because I believe
that person would find that Judge to be a 'crook,' in the most
decisive exclamation possible, if placed in such a position.
Yet that is EXACTLY what you argued. See [1] for the proof.
You STATED "Zobel certainly knows she didn't do it." In very
precise and exact terms, while FACTUALLY he found her
GUILTY of manslaughter. There is no doubt in MY MIND
that you 'called' Judge Zobel... by NAME... a 'crook.' You
called so many others in the prosecution 'crooks.' How could
you do so, even if you believe they KNOW she was innocent?
Others who believe that a judge having the power to overturn
a guilty verdict, KNOWING the accused is INNOCENT,
who does not do so is NOT a 'crook,' have a very disturbing
view of criminal justice, in my view. In that case, NO ONE is
safe from a conviction from such a judge regardless of how
innocent they are.. and that judge will never be characterized
as a 'crooked judge.' I am certain that if they are abolitionists,
and found that same argument in a judge who had sentenced
a convicted murderer to the DP, that the judge KNOWS that
person is innocent, they would be 'ripping their hair out,' and
screaming to high heaven that such a judge, was MOST
CERTAINLY a 'crook.' Given your 'argument,' abolitionists
can NEVER AGAIN claim that ANY judge is a 'crook' if
he convicts ANY murderer, regardless of how they might
argue that this murderer was actually innocent. Since even if
the judge KNOWS that murderer is innocent, has the power
to find him innocent, but still convicts him... that judge CANNOT
be called a crook, using your convoluted logic.
Of course, in individual characterizations of anyone, everyone
is entitled to an 'opinion.' There are some here who even view
a double murderer as a 'lesser evil' than the State executing that
murderer before he commits that second murder. For example...
the Nameless One has said in respect to a released murderer
murdering again, or the execution of that murderer before he
commits that second murder these words -- "No. The murder
of an innocent by a wrongly released murderer is the lesser of
two evils." See --
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=slrn8ivkee.h9b.desmond%40lievre.voute.net
Some may even, as the Nameless One has admitted, find that
THEY have a more base character than a pedophile murderer.
There is no doubt in my mind that you have called Judge Zobel
a CROOK... no doubt at all. Nor did I ever QUOTE you
as saying so in those exact words... but you certainly did MEAN
those words. Or you must admit that there were NO CROOKS
AT ALL in the conviction of the 'Great White Whale.'
3) That one is the funniest of all. Since after I PROVED in Peter's
own words that he HAD said that criminals deserve to be murdered,
you will notice that Peter DISAPPEARED IMMEDIATELY. In
fact, NO ONE has seen 'hide nor hair' of him since I posted that
proof, nor has anyone even attempted to refute that proof I provided.
One can easily see that PROOF in two different posts. One addressed
to me, from Peter, quite recently, in which Peter accuses Richard of
having said a victim of murder "DESERVED" to be murdered, because
Richard had used the term "little sympathy" for a murder victim, who
was a murderer -- See --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=b2ha37%244kt%242%40helle.btinternet.com
You will notice that in this post from Peter to me, he cites Richard's
words ==> "I don't have too many feelings for murderers, and little
sympathy." And then Peter characterizes the MEANING of
those words to me as MEANING DIRECTLY ==> "So, Richard has
said directly that he feels that prisonners deserve to be murdered."
But then see a post from Peter in the past, where he hypothesized the
murder of a "serial killing, drug-dealing, pedophilic murderer." See --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=8pidil%24mmh%241%40taliesin2.netcom.net.uk
And you will find HIS characterization of that"serial killing, drug-dealing,
pedophilic murderer" being a murder victim -- His words --
/quote/
I compared the execution of McGinn to the death of a serial
killing, drug-dealing, pedophilic murderer. "no sympathy should be
extended to the victim"
/unquote/
Notice that he claims here "no sympathy" for THAT victim of murder. He
most certainly cannot ACCUSE Richard of stating that a murder victim
DESERVED to be murdered, when Richard used the term "little
sympathy" for that murderer victim, without accepting that by doing so, he
has ALSO characterized ANOTHER murderer murder victim of
DESERVING to be murdered, when he expressed "no sympathy" for
that murder victim!!! I was not the one who claimed that expressing "little
sympathy" for a murder victim IMPLIED they DESERVE it. Peter WAS!
He STATED it was implied in Richard's words. Peter, having himself
expressed that claiming "little sympathy" for a murder victim was the
SAME as saying they :"deserve to be murdered.." Thus, he certainly
cannot claim that HIS use of the expression of "no sympathy" for
ANOTHER murder victim does not mean the SAME THING. Peter
was certainly expressing his view that the "serial killing, drug-dealing,
pedophilic murderer" DESERVED to be murdered. Since he had made
a similar observation in respect to Richard's words.
Of course, I have said over and over that NO ONE DESERVES TO
BE MURDERED. And you will find no comment from me that states or
implies ANYONE DESERVES TO BE MURDERED... not even Jeffrey
Daumer, whom I have stated in more than a half-dozen posts here, did
NOT DESERVE TO BE MURDERED.
>But you have gone too far this time with your trolling and giggling
>about the holocaust. This is what you wrote in at least two posts
>yesterday:
You are the one DEFENDING someone who has INSULTED
the murdered Jewish victims of Dachau. He INSULTED THEM...
and you DEFEND that insult. And you *giggled* while doing so...
which made me physically ill reading your *giggle*.
>> JPB's obsession
>> with defending anti-Semites who argue that no Jews were murdered
>> in Dachau, because 'Dachau was not a death-camp for Jews.'
>
>I have never mentioned Dachau; I have never been involved in any
>discussion, here or elsewhere, about Dachau; I have never referred to
>anyone else's discussion about Dachau.
>
I never said you had. Thus the clear implication is that you intend to
distort my words, and apparently *giggle* at the thought of DEFENDING
Ol' Racist Nev, by distorting my words. You are defending Ol' Racist
Nev --who stated he needed to STRESS that no Jews were
murdered in Dachau, because it wasn't "a death-camp for Jews."
That is NOT something to *giggle* about... but you seem to think
it is. You will not find any instance where I DEFEND Dachau in
respect to ANY expression of humanity or attempt to diminish the
absolutely inhuman acts committed there. But Ol' Racist Nev has
CERTAINLY tried to do so... in his words -- ""I must stress that
Dachau, Belson, and Buchanwald were _not_ used as death-camps
for Jews." That is absolutely a DEFENSE of what actually took place
in Dachau, and I will not permit it to go unchallenged. Although you
have DEFENDED Ol' Racist Nev in HIS defense of what actually
took place in Dachau. And as I said... both him and you, make me
physically ill by DEFENDING Dachau, and what actually took
place in Dachau.
>If you can prove that wrong, then do so now or be damned not only as a
>liar, but as one who has used the holocaust as something to giggle
>over, something to troll about, and something to create your latest
>gimmick upon.
>
But you most certainly HAVE "referred to anyone else's discussion
about Dachau." Why would you lie about what is in plain sight?
Absolutely in your words --
"now you have done it to Neville by claiming that he said the Nazi
death camps were "okay" which he certainly did not say."
Certainly the discussion between Ol' Racist Nev and me revolved
DIRECTLY around the Nazi Dachau 'death-camp.' And you certainly
REFERRED to that discussion. Thus, most POSITIVELY, you have
again been proven to be a liar.
Larger than that trivial issue of your lie (which has simply become
second-nature to your posts now... having found yourself intellectually
annihilated, and like a cornered rat, having nothing but lies to rely on),
is the fact that Ol' Racist Nev certainly did provide a post which did
not ONCE mention MURDER or even DEATH in respect to Dachau
itself. Apparently, to him, only after humans were removed from Dachau
alive, well-fed, and well-maintained, did their deaths or murders
occur. See --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=a5ec705.0305271322.6bef6222%40posting.google.com
If there is no mention of MURDER or even DEATH in Dachau,
at a time when Jews were being slaughtered throughout Europe,
what would you call such a place, in that time? If it were
TRUE... as Ol' Racist Nev IMPLIED it was true, it would
certainly seem to be a 'safe haven' for Jews... since his implication
is that they neither died nor were murdered in Dachau, or 'Belson' (sic),
or 'Buchanwald' (sic). His implication is that Dachau WAS
'okay,' at a time of great upheaval throughout Europe. His
implication is that Jews would have preferred to STAY in
Dachau than go anywhere else... since they were SAFE from
death and murder there. That is his implication. To which I
replied in a following post in respect to his disgusting words --
"Oh, well... that made them okay, in Ol' Racist Nev's view."
I did not say he had used the word "okay," I said in his view
(not words) that "made them okay." Note also that he over and over,
in so many posts DENIES that Dachau was a "death-camp," but
now presumes to imply that Guantanamo will BECOME ONE.
In a most bizarre attempt to imply that he views Guantanamo as
WORSE than Dachau. Do you find Guantanamo WORSE than
Dachau? Apparently you do, since you have DEFENDED Ol'
Racist Nev for implying that it is. Between those two... which
one do you find Ol' Racist Nev sees one as 'okay' in respect to
the other? While Guantanamo holds less than 700 detainees...
all of them well-fed, and medically cared for, and at Dachau? Well,
the number of DEATHS that occurred in Dachau, according to
Pastor Niemöller, held in Dachau... he placed those number of deaths
(quoting an inscription written in Dachau in 1945) at 238,756.
Slew Gardner named a similar figure (230,000) in an article in the
Sunday Express on 10 January, 1960. See
http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/
But to Ol' Racist Nev... Dachau was NOT a death-camp... while
Guantanamo soon will become one. And you are DEFENDING
his conclusion. And *giggling* as you do so. WEEP... don't
*giggle*.
Read his words...and weep for humanity. Don't *giggle* as you have
begun to do... but weep for humanity. For just once in your life....
If you cannot weep for Matthew...
If you cannot weep for MLK...
If you cannot weep for innocent slaves...
If you cannot weep for the victims of Saddam...
then at least --
WEEP FOR THAT MURDERED HUMANITY IN DACHAU!
Or is that asking too much of you?
You're a very sick, and evil person, JPB. Having DEFENDED some
very sick and evil people... beginning with a baby-killer [1], and now
having risen to a raving crescendo of rage in support of everything
EVIL. You are becoming demonstrably more sick and evil by the
moment, as your presumed 'credibility' lies shattered about you.
1) Did you not REFER to the discussion between Ol' Racist Nev and
PV?
2) If so... and it is clear it IS SO.. doesn't that make you a liar in your
claim that you have never done so?
3) Did you not imply AGREEMENT with Ol' Racist Nev's characterization
of Dachau as NOT "a death-camp for Jews"?
4) Are you another holocaust denier who would claim that Jews were not
put to death in Dachau by being MURDERED?
5) Do you believe, as Ol' Racist Nev certainly implied, that Jews were
not put to death by murder in Dachau?
6) Do you, yourself, characterize Dachau as not a "death-camp for
Jews"?
7) Do you believe that attempting to characterize Dachau as not a
"death-camp for Jews," carries an implication that the one arguing that
is a neo-Nazi scum? Simon Wiesenthal finds it carries such an
implication!! See -
http://www.nizkor.org/features/qar/qar03.html
His words in a letter to Nizkor -- "Because there were no extermination
camps on German soil the Neo-Nazis are using this as proof that these
crimes did not happen [...]" So you see, JPB...when ANYONE
argues in the same way that Ol' Racist Nev has argued... Simon
Wiesenthal calls them NEO-NAZIS. Are you defending a neo-Nazi?
Are YOU a neo-Nazi?
In fact, I would again refer you to another link in the Nizkor project -- See
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/dachau/
And you will find that there is most certainly a declaration that 'deaths'
at Dachau were premeditated acts of murder, in both gas chambers and
experiments meant to cause death... which can ONLY be characterized
as murder. I do not *giggle* about murder... Ol' Racist Nev DID...
by arguing that it was NOT a 'death-camp.' Apparently to be
classified as a 'death-camp' by Ol' Racist Nev a certain number
of murders must be committed. And that number must perhaps
exceed a million. And you are the one *giggling* now... presuming to
SUPPORT the murder of Jews in the holocaust... by DEFENDING
Ol' Racist Nev's claim that Dachau was not so bad... because he
needed to STRESS that it "wasn't a death-camp for Jews."
>You (wrongly) accused Desmond of giggling about Sept 11, and then
>giggled yourself as you used the holocaust as your latest topic with
>which to play your childish games.
>
I would never express anything but sheer revulsion over EVERY
murder. Since NO ONE DESERVES TO BE MURDERED.
I gained the impression from the many anti-Semitic comments of
Ol' Racist Nev, that he believed the Jews rather DID deserve to
be murdered, in other dialogs held where he demonstrates his
hate for the Jews. Do YOU believe the Jews deserved to be murdered
in Dachau? Do you believe they were NOT murdered in Dachau?
>And to PV's fans:
>
LOL... I thought you had argued that I had no fans?
>The next time you want to criticise me or Desmond for exposing your
>hero's bogus anti racism while blatantly ignoring his far more serious
>accusations against us - as you always do - don't expect me not to
>throw this one in your faces.
>
Let me put this as plainly as I can -- If you presume to DEFEND
the comments of the Nameless One, in respect to his many racist
slurs, and his disgusting attack on MLK, using me as his weapon
to commit such an attack, then you are defending a racist. You have
done so. If you presume on your own to provide a disgusting attack
on MLK, using me as your weapon to commit such an attack, then
YOU are a racist. You have done just that, and I characterize you
as a racist for doing so. If you presume to DEFEND the comments
of Ol' Racist Nev in any dialog concerning the Jews, then you are
DEFENDING an anti-Semite, a holocaust denier, and a neo-Nazi,
all confirmed by Nizkor, needing no further proof from me. There
is evidence directly above that confirms you are DEFENDING an
anti-Semite, a holocaust denier, and a neo-Nazi. If you presume to
argue as Ol' Racist Nev argued, that murders of Jews did not happen
in Dachau, and Dachau was thus "not a death-camp for Jews," then
YOU are an anti-Semite, a holocaust denier, and a neo-Nazi, all
confirmed by Nizkor, needing no further proof from me. Are you
making such claims independent from your DEFENSE of Ol' Racist
Nev? Desmond is certainly a racist, and one of my hopes is that
he finds it within himself to shed that image from AADP. But his
anti-Semitism only comes in very infrequent bursts when he is
blind to the fact that the Arabs also commit the same atrocities as
the Jews in the Middle East conflict. I have discussed his reasons
for holding this view before, and it needs no further explanation from
me. I would never deny that EITHER side does not commit atrocities.
But his view is blind to those committed on one particular side, and
in fact his blind anti-Americanism ends up supporting MURDERERS...
terrorists who murder innocent people, Because he believes that it
is only America 'getting it's comeuppance,' and not actually innocent
humans being murdered.
In respect to the holocaust, there is absolute proof that anti-Semitism
has NO PLACE in Desmond's view of that horrendous chapter in human
history. He condemns it unequivocally. There is only one slight instance
that I have ever found him to 'make a slight excuse' to FORGET
about the holocaust (something that is inexcusable to me), when
he has referred to 60 years being 'enough,' and the holocaust
should be put behind us. Nizkor does not believe that, and he
has often referred to Nizkor... and I certainly do not believe that
it can be 'put behind us.' Certainly not in my lifetime, or even the
lifetime of my children. Those who forget... are doomed to
repeat it. But Desmond is in no way a true anti-Semite, and I
only refer to some of his words, as having an anti-Semitic 'odor'
to them.. such as when he referred to Jews as involved in "butchery"
without the slightest condemnation of terrorists indiscriminately
murdering innocent Jews as well... which disgusts me more because
I PERSONALLY find his words offensive, rather than they represent
a real and true hate for the Jews. When I 'smell' some of his words,
I cannot help but characterize him as an anti-Semite at that instant
for holding such views. But in terms of the holocaust, there is no
doubt he ABHORS that macabre event in history. Unlike Ol'
Racist Nev, who would diminish it, and you, who would defend
someone who would attempt to diminish it. In this respect, Desmond
IS far, far superior to you.
>PV: the man who giggled at the holocaust.
All those raving lies will not do you any good, JPB. You've been
clearly exposed as DEFENDING an anti-Semite, holocaust
denier, and neo-Nazi, who argued that Dachau was a place where
the murder of Jews never occurred. And I can thus presume that
you ALSO believe that no murder of Jews occurred in Dachau...
since you DEFEND Ol' Racist Nev's claim that Dachau was not a
death-camp for Jews.
[1] http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/JPB.html
PV
Just passing by
< clipped >
A short while ago I posted a message showing some text that PV had
posted, word for word, in what I said was at least two posts. I have
now discovered that it is at least FOUR posts in which he has posted
that identical block of text. And here is that block of text:
> Don't *giggle* as you have
> begun to do... but weep for humanity. For just once in your life....
> If you cannot weep for Matthew...
> If you cannot weep for MLK...
> If you cannot weep for innocent slaves...
> If you cannot weep for the victims of Saddam...
> then at least --
> WEEP FOR THAT MURDERED HUMANITY IN DACHAU!
There may be more such copy & pasted spam in that post of PV's but as
I didn't bother reading it further once I discovered that he was
simply spamming, I can't be sure.
Four posts, all "written" on the same day, and all on the subject of
the holocaust, in which PV has seen fit to paste spam. How much does
that tell us about the seriousness and respect with which he views
that subject? It tells me that he has no respect whatsoever for it.
What could possibly be more disrespectful than spam?
A Planet Visitor: the man who giggled about the holocaust and then
used it as material for his spamming campaign.
The full true story of that shameful giggling here:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0309180626.14ac946f%40posting.google.com
And all the evidence, including URLs, here:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0309190831.105ba1e9%40posting.google.com
A Planet Visitor
>A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<6g4lmvggem1235dl0...@4ax.com>...
>
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>
>A short while ago I posted a message showing some text that PV had
>posted, word for word, in what I said was at least two posts. I have
>now discovered that it is at least FOUR posts in which he has posted
>that identical block of text. And here is that block of text:
>
Pay attention gentle reader -- since what follows is my appeal
to JPB to exhibit some 'human side' to his character. An appeal
to him to no longer support murderers, and concepts which
support murderers, but consider the victim. JPB describes such
an appeal as "spam." And HE certainly has depicted the holocaust
as a "game," since he was the first to call it such -- See [1]
My comments that follow simply refer to him having called the
holocaust a "game," in his referenced post. He finds the holocaust
as nothing but a "game," just as Ol' Racist Nev found Dachau as
'not actually evil' in his mind. Claiming it was certainly no 'worse'
than Guantanamo, which holds less than 700 detainees. He saw
Dachau as MUCH BETTER, since he DEMANDED Dachau NEVER
be seen as a 'death-camp,' while also asserting that Guantanamo
"may soon become a death camp." [2] Anyone who cannot see the
attempt to 'cleanse' Dachau through such a comparison is a
holocaust denier... 100%. Called as such by none other than
Simon Wiesenthal in Nizkor [3]. And actually admitted to by
Ol' Racist Nev, himself. He actually described what a holocaust
denier was, and then demonstrated in his posts the same behavior
he attributed to a holocaust denier. [2] [12]
For one moment, let us examine the general idea of what we
call "spam" -- When we see it -- we find it to be an unsolicited,
intrusive, and offensive request to 'buy into something.' We
immediately 'delete' it from our view and our mind. We ignore
it and wipe out any thought of it. We become annoyed if we
see it again, as JPB has become annoyed by seeing it again
(perhaps because it rings a bell he would prefer not to hear).
One can thus see that JPB finds any request to weep for
victims of murder, of racism, of slavery, of genocide, and
of the holocaust to be "unsolicited," "intrusive," and "offensive."
I plead guilty in respect to him having not "solicited" what he
calls "spam." Much fundamentally good advice is often not
"solicited." Although I do not believe there is a reasonable
human on this planet who does not find each of us should
be "solicited" to weep for those I speak of. But JPB
apparently does not wish to be 'bothered' with thinking about
it. Given his proven 'affection' for baby-killers, racists,
slavers, despot murderers and neo-Nazis, I can understand
why.
I also plead guilty to it being "intrusive." Generally speaking, this is
a forum in which we are ALL "intrusive." And often, what JPB
depicts as "spam," -- these "unsolicited," and "intrusive" suggestions --
must be 'rammed down the throat' of those who seem to lack the
capacity to weep for those victims. In this particular case, given
the gravity of JPB's rapid descent into a caldron of unspeakable
evil, I felt it absolutely necessary to do so, if I were to retain the
slightest bit of self-respect.
Obviously it has fallen on deaf ears, however. Because in the
final instance, he finds a suggestion to weep for victims of murder,
racism, slavery, genocide, and the holocaust to be "offensive."
He would much rather ignore 'thinking about the victim.' And
remain concerned only with baby-killers, racists, slavers, despot
murderers, and Nazi murderers. Please don't 'bother' him
with appeals such as that... since they are only seen as "spam"
to him.
In that sense... we must all pity JPB... since he attributes a
suggestion to 'weep for the victim' to be nothing more meaningful
than "spam." I well understand that JPB wishes to remain blind
to what he calls the "spam" of my appeal to weep for the victims.
But in good conscience, I cannot consider any idea of not
at least appealing to a character within him, that I no longer
believe exists. Thus.. each time he refers to my appeal as
"spam," I have no other recourse but to repeat this explanation
and the reason I make this appeal to him. Here is what he
consider to be "spam."
>> Don't *giggle* as you have
>> begun to do... but weep for humanity. For just once in your life....
>> If you cannot weep for Matthew...
>> If you cannot weep for MLK...
>> If you cannot weep for innocent slaves...
>> If you cannot weep for the victims of Saddam...
>> then at least --
>> WEEP FOR THAT MURDERED HUMANITY IN DACHAU!
>
>
>There may be more such copy & pasted spam in that post of PV's but as
>I didn't bother reading it further once I discovered that he was
>simply spamming, I can't be sure.
>
I am sure all of them fell on deaf ears with you, JPB. Which is the
sad part of your entire post. And of course... the culmination of
your entire posting history... which before having met me... you
managed to keep hidden your support for murderers in general -
keep hidden your racism - and keep hidden your hate for the Jews.
It's been a rough ride for you... but I can't help but feel I have
served just a bit of humanity each time I exposed how weak your
flesh and spirit are. Exposed how vain are your fantasies of a
tango with the fat lady baby-killer [4]. Exposed how hungry you are
to feel sensitivity for murderers, and racists and anti-Semites, and how
empty is any pain you might feel for victims. Exposed how the hollow
man that you are - deprives you of a sense of human suffering -- a
sense of affinity with your fellow-man. Exposed the scatological
abuse you heap on the victims of murder, racism and the holocaust.
Exposed the literally hundreds of mocking and sneering insults
you've hurled at MLK... and in so doing hurled at all American
Blacks... hurled at the Justice System... hurled at those set free
from the heel of Saddam... and finally, in a cataclysmic eruption
of the enormous rage within you.... now hurl at the murdered
Jews in Dachau -- calling the holocaust just a "game," and
expressions of revulsion for the murders committed in Dachau
just a "giggle."
It's often been a painful journey... no one likes to get too close to evil...
in fear it is contagious. But as a cancerous growth... we cannot
ignore it... or it will destroy us in the end. I've touch the hand of
depravity in my dialogs with you... and it hasn't been a pleasant
journey. Nothing I dreamed of could have prepared me for the
cult of murder that you so admire. But a journey I find completely
necessary, if I am ever to keep my self-respect.
>Four posts, all "written" on the same day, and all on the subject of
>the holocaust, in which PV has seen fit to paste spam. How much does
>that tell us about the seriousness and respect with which he views
>that subject? It tells me that he has no respect whatsoever for it.
>What could possibly be more disrespectful than spam?
>
How much does that tell us about the seriousness and respect for
the victims I have spoken of.... if you call it "spam"?
>A Planet Visitor: the man who giggled about the holocaust and then
>used it as material for his spamming campaign.
>
>The full true story of that shameful giggling here:
>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0309180626.14ac946f%40posting.google.com
A post in which you characterize the holocaust as a "game."
What I am seeing here in your posts is a rather rapid decline in your
ability to remain coherent. It was bad when you fell in love with a
chubby baby-killer... but it's progression has been virus-like --
It began with your support for a baby killer- Simply one overweight
baby-killer [4].
It progressed to support for a monstrous murderer of tens of
thousands of his own countrymen. Another one that you
began to obsessively show deep affection for -- Saddam.
Crying your eyes out at the fact his regime had fallen [5].
It then shifted to support for a poster who found no gradation between
murderers and innocent slaves. No difference between them whatsoever.
And you supported his views in a quite violent outburst. [6]
All the while... lurking in the background, was your obsession with
your MESSIAH, the Nameless One, since he had supported you in
your love-affair with the 'Great White Whale' The references to all
of that support are too lengthy to list here.. but they must number in the
hundreds. And on that dirty road... HE ended by calling you a liar...
when he posted -- "PV is right." [7] How those words must still
stab you in the heart! Three simple words... "PV is right." And
JPB is a liar!
You began your 'defense' of racism, by first defending the posting
of as many racist slurs as the Nameless One desired to post, simply
calling them "common pejorative" terms [8]. Almost UNBELIEVABLY...
just as with "racism," "racist," "MLK," or ANY references to the
holocaust or the Jews in ANY sense in your ENTIRE posting history
prior to posting to me... that particular word expressed in that post
by you... is the VERY FIRST TIME in your entire posting history in
ANY newsgroup, that you have used it. How long did it take you to
find the 'exact' word you wanted to use to defend a racist? Did
mommy help you? Did you 'investigate' the dialog I held with Craig,
about racist slurs, which led to you using it? I guess we can add
'illiterate' to your list of human flaws.
Of course, in the process of defending a racist, it became necessary for
you to tell me to take my anti-racism elsewhere...told me to leave AADP,
and take my anti-racism into a group that would appreciate it, because
you didn't, and I should leave the group to racists in AADP [9].
It then began focusing on your hate for any race other than your own... and
your vicious attacks on MLK... characterizing him as a "Phoney," and his
life's work as simply a "gimmick." Using me as a conduit to express
your racism... now fully exposed. [10]
And it has now culminated with your hate for the Jews. Beginning with
your full support and defense of an admitted holocaust denier, Ol' Racist
Nev... also certainly characterized as a neo-Nazi by Simon Wiesenthal,
in his style of posting. [6] [11] While even Ol' Racist Nev managed to
characterize HIMSELF as a holocaust denier, in three separate posts,
where he defines what HE believes a holocaust denier is, and then
follows later with demonstrating the same behavior that he defined [2] [12]
>And all the evidence, including URLs, here:
>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0309190831.105ba1e9%40posting.google.com
Thank you for that reference, since it rather demonstrates you enjoy
'falling on your own sword,' as it proves that you claimed the holocaust
was simply a "game," and stated that because I expressed revulsion
over the murders committed in Dachau it was simply *giggling* over
those murders. While it's rather obvious that calling an expression
of revulsion over the murders committed in Dachau - "giggling" - is
an unbelievably obscene lack of respect for those murdered in Dachau.
Depriving them of the last vestige of dignity they might hold in their role as
victims of the most monstrous, methodical annihilation of human beings
ever witnessed. The Nazis took away the lives of those murdered in
Dachau, but as with Ol' Racist Nev... you would rip out their souls, and
their spirit with such an insult. There is simply no excuse for your
nauseating attempts to excuse those murders, by claiming someone who
demonstrates a fierce loathing of those murders is simply "giggling."
FINALLY --
You think that Dachau was NOT a 'death camp'? Are you arguing Ol'
Racist Nev' argument that no murders of Jews occurred in Dachau,
because he needed to STRESS that it wasn't a 'death-camp for Jews'?
You must be DEFENDING that view. Because that was the view
I was attacking, and you are presuming I was wrong to attack it. So see --
http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/pages/t016/t01679.html
In there, you will find it states in respect to Dachau that "the number of Jews
rose steadily to about 1/3 of the total. Tens of thousands died through
starvation, disease, torture or in cruel medical experiments."
And for those 'medical experiments.' (What a ghastly word to use
for MURDER!) - see --
http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/text/x15/xm1597.html
Quoting again -- "In the period from 1942 to 1945, medical experiments
were conducted in concentration camps, rather than in hospitals and
research institutions. They were carried out on human beings regarded
as racially inferior, in locations that were the most concrete expression
of Nazi ideology." That's what the Nazis considered the Jews... and
that's Dachau. Or are you calling Simon Wiesenthal a liar?
You have aligned yourself with some of the most evil human beings
to ever set foot on this planet. Those who committed the murders of
the holocaust in EVERY situation... in EVERY capacity... in EVERY
physical location. The shame you SHOULD feel SHOULD be
overwhelming. But I long ago, realized that 'shame' was not an
emotion you hold.
Was Dachau 'only' a concentration camp, as Ol' Racist Nev
INSISTED? One is which no murders took place? Or did the
murder of Jews at Dachau take place on a scale which can be
recognized as being a 'death camp'? Do those murders committed
in Dachau suddenly not 'count' -- because there were 'death
camps' where a mechanical and methodical extermination of
human beings at the rate of up to 2,000 a day were taking place?
At what point do we find it necessary to reason that the murder
of so many people... literally scream out for us to term it a 'death
camp,' even if there were no mechanical and methodical exterminations
of human beings taking place at the rate of other sites in Eastern
Europe. You see... my point has ALWAYS been that Ol' Racist
Nev wanted to FORGET about the murders committed in Dachau...
arguing that 'they don't count,' because of those other sites in
Eastern Europe. But Simon Wiesenthal has stated that such thinking
is that of a neo-Nazi, while never denying that the murders having
taken place in Dachau pale in comparison to those having taken
place in Eastern Europe. [3] But those murders can NEVER BE
IGNORED.
Pardon me, gentle reader, if I refer back to this post in the future, or use
parts of it which essentially have destroyed every bit of the imaginary
'credibility' of JPB.
PV
[1]
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0309180626.14ac946f%40posting.google.com
[2]
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=a5ec705.0305271322.6bef6222%40posting.google.com
[3]
http://www.nizkor.org/features/qar/qar03.html
[4]
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/JPB.html
[5]
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0304210457.7345c75b%40posting.google.com
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0305050535.5fdd3d95%40posting.google.com
[6]
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0305300225.1471ff8e%40posting.google.com
[7]
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20020830212952.10684.00000094%40mb-cu.aol.com
[8]
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0210190921.266bc312%40posting.google.com
[9]
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0303040404.6ec39dbc%40posting.google.com
[10]
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0305300225.1471ff8e%40posting.google.com
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0305280104.10afa0cf%40posting.google.com
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0309110241.336717aa%40posting.google.com
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0305231107.6482442%40posting.google.com
[11]
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/dachau/
http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/
[12]
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=a5ec705.0305300601.31e990fc%40posting.google.com
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=a5ec705.0305290530.16495221%40posting.google.com