Fascism Alive and Well....
JIGSAW1695
be surrendering shorty.
Man faces jail for writing on his own car
A German man who staged a political protest by writing "The Government is crap"
on his own car, has been told to remove it or face jail.
Police failed to see the funny side of 33-year-old Stefan Lukoschek's protest
at the policies of Gerhard Schroeder.
Officers said they had received complaints from several people about protest on
his yellow VW. The words were stenciled on the rear and side windows.
Lukoschek said: "I put it on there because my father who worked all his life,
has seen his pension reduced to nothing by the current government."
Euro
"JIGSAW1695" <jigsa...@aol.com>
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A few weeks ago, I read that a man was beaten by the crowd in Los Angeles,
as he was leaving a French restaurant and speaking French.
I should have sent a posting with this news, entitled "Fascism alive and
well".
Euro
JIGSAW1695
From: "Euro" vs...@hotmail.com
Date: 5/16/2003 8:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <3ec4d8bf$1...@news.meganetnews.com>
Euro
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Sure Euro, now all you have to do is provide us with a valid source. Did you
get that info from the Sun (LOL) or a French newspaper.
JIGSAW1695
Date: 5/16/2003 11:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time
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On 16 May 2003 06:34:55 GMT, jigsa...@aol.com (JIGSAW1695) wrote:
> Fascism is alive and well in Germany. If history follows its path, France
will
> be surrendering shorty.
>
> Man faces jail for writing on his own car
>
> A German man who staged a political protest by writing "The Government is
crap"
> on his own car, has been told to remove it or face jail.
>
> Police failed to see the funny side of 33-year-old Stefan Lukoschek's protest
> at the policies of Gerhard Schroeder.
>
> Officers said they had received complaints from several people about protest
on
> his yellow VW. The words were stenciled on the rear and side windows.
>
> Lukoschek said: "I put it on there because my father who worked all his life,
> has seen his pension reduced to nothing by the current government."
Quite aside from the asinine nature of your comments, Shit-For-Brains,
one need only look back a few weeks, to remember how dissent itself
was (and still is) stifled in the United States, when a group of young
black females (the kind you and FW hate most) dared to voice what
every intelligent 'American' (sic) was thinking: that your President
is the shame of the civilised world.
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And would thant be a singing group named the Dixie Chicks?
Desmond Coughlan
JIGSAW1695
Message-id: <s54acv02uamv39fd0...@4ax.com>
On 16 May 2003 15:59:09 GMT, jigsa...@aol.com (JIGSAW1695) wrote:
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>> Quite aside from the asinine nature of your comments, Shit-For-Brains,
>> one need only look back a few weeks, to remember how dissent itself
>> was (and still is) stifled in the United States, when a group of young
>> black females (the kind you and FW hate most) dared to voice what
>> every intelligent 'American' (sic) was thinking: that your President
>> is the shame of the civilised world.
> And would thant be a singing group named the Dixie Chicks?
>
>
> Desmond Coughlan
Yes it would, and why are you signing your name as me ? Had a brain
transplant, have you ?
==============================
ROTFLMAO!!!!
You stupid cow. The Dixie Chics are three white girls from the Southern part of
the US. They sing Country and Western until they insulted their fan base and
got dumped.
".... A group of young black females".
Dezi, Dezi Desz,, you really blew it this time.
see:
http://dixiechicks.launch.yahoo.com/
http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Music/03/14/dixie.chicks.apology/
...and on and on for 48134 pages of AOL Search
and...drum roll....trumpet fanfare... and.. approximatly 409000 hits under
Google.
LOL
ROTFLMAO
Laughing so hard at your ignorence I cant stand up straight.
Oh Christ,, tenseconds of basic research and you would nevr have written such
an inane, stupid statement.
Dolly Coughlan, et al.... ROTFLMAO, dip this one in gold before sending it to
the archives.
I cant wait until four months from now when Dezi denies he ever said that the
Dixie Chics were black.
Howling and laughing so had I can hardly write these words.
The Dixie Chics are black..... Oh lord, this one is a classic blunder. Dezi,
you aint never going to live this one.
What "gimmick" are you going to use to get out of this one Ribbon Clerk.
<Laugh> <giggle> <guffaw> <!!!!!!!>
Jigsaw
Dolly B.Coughlan Jr
<FRC_Spnak...@noos.fr> writes:
>Subject: Re: Fascism Alive and Well....
>From: French Ribbon Clerk <FRC_Spnak...@noos.fr>
>Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 22:15:39 +0200
>
>On 16 May 2003 19:15:58 GMT, jigsa...@aol.com (JIGSAW1695) wrote:
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>{ snip }
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>>> > And would thant be a singing group named the Dixie Chicks?
>
>> > Yes it would, and why are you signing your name as me ? Had a brain
>> > transplant, have you ?
>
>> ROTFLMAO!!!!
>>
>> You stupid cow. The Dixie Chics are three white girls from the Southern
>part of
>> the US. They sing Country and Western until they insulted their fan base
>and
>> got dumped.
>
>So they're white. Goody gum-drops. That doesn't change the fact that
>they are a perfect example of dissent being quashed.
>
>> ".... A group of young black females".
>>
>> Dezi, Dezi Desz,, you really blew it this time.
>
>ROTFLMAO !!
>
>Sure, SFB. If every mistake of yours equated to 'blowing it', you'd
>have a bloody stump left where your head should be. Now run along and
>claim victory, you gibbering little spastic.
>
>---
>Desmond Coughlan |desmond @ zeouane . org
>French Ribbon Clerk (FRC)
>Yamaha YZF-R1
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Welcome to the Desmond Coughlan archive.
As Desi lies, the archive grows!
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<FRC_Spnak...@noos.fr> writes:
>Subject: Re: Fascism Alive and Well....
>From: French Ribbon Clerk <FRC_Spnak...@noos.fr>
>Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 19:54:56 +0200
>
>On 16 May 2003 15:59:09 GMT, jigsa...@aol.com (JIGSAW1695) wrote:
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>>> Quite aside from the asinine nature of your comments, Shit-For-Brains,
>>> one need only look back a few weeks, to remember how dissent itself
>>> was (and still is) stifled in the United States, when a group of young
>>> black females (the kind you and FW hate most) dared to voice what
>>> every intelligent 'American' (sic) was thinking: that your President
>>> is the shame of the civilised world.
>
>> And would thant be a singing group named the Dixie Chicks?
>>
>>
>> Desmond Coughlan
>
>Yes it would, and why are you signing your name as me ? Had a brain
>transplant, have you ?
>
>---
>Desmond Coughlan |desmond @ zeouane . org
>French Ribbon Clerk (FRC)
>Yamaha YZF-R1
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Dolly B.Coughlan Jr
<FRC_Spnak...@noos.fr> writes:
>Subject: Re: Fascism Alive and Well....
>From: French Ribbon Clerk <FRC_Spnak...@noos.fr>
>Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 17:45:44 +0200
>
>On 16 May 2003 06:34:55 GMT, jigsa...@aol.com (JIGSAW1695) wrote:
>
>> Fascism is alive and well in Germany. If history follows its path, France
>will
>> be surrendering shorty.
>>
>> Man faces jail for writing on his own car
>>
>> A German man who staged a political protest by writing "The Government is
>crap"
>> on his own car, has been told to remove it or face jail.
>>
>> Police failed to see the funny side of 33-year-old Stefan Lukoschek's
>protest
>> at the policies of Gerhard Schroeder.
>>
>> Officers said they had received complaints from several people about
>protest on
>> his yellow VW. The words were stenciled on the rear and side windows.
>>
>> Lukoschek said: "I put it on there because my father who worked all his
>life,
>> has seen his pension reduced to nothing by the current government."
>
>Quite aside from the asinine nature of your comments, Shit-For-Brains,
>one need only look back a few weeks, to remember how dissent itself
>was (and still is) stifled in the United States, when a group of young
>black females (the kind you and FW hate most) dared to voice what
>every intelligent 'American' (sic) was thinking: that your President
>is the shame of the civilised world.
>
>Fascism is alive and well in 'America' (sic), SFB. Tell us about the
>Patriot Act, Shit-For-Brains. Tell us about CAPPS II,
>Shit-For-Brains. Tell us about the TIA Project, Shit-For-Brains. Ha,
>ha, ha, this is like taking 'candy' (sic) from a 'kid' (sic) ...
>*thump*, *slap*, *spnak* (sic), *crash*, *kick*, *squeal* ...
>
>---
>Desmond Coughlan |desmond @ zeouane . org
>French Ribbon Clerk (FRC)
>Yamaha YZF-R1
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I got that from Reuters, about two weeks ago. Unfortunately, I didn't keep
the press release. Contrary to what some here try to imply, I'm not
systematically yielding to anti-Americanism.
Irony aside, Jigsaw, I find it obnoxious to conclude to the return of
fascism from a short news. You don't like France and Germany, I take it for
granted. But you should be able to remain decent in your every-day
anti-French or anti-German posts.
Euro
JIGSAW1695
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Euro
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Euro, I appreciate your critique. But you miss the point. I am not the creator
of these articles. I didnt write them. There are taken from news sources
thoughout the net.
And it is not that I dont like Germans or French. I was somewhat ambivalent
about
towards them. However, now I am somewhat hostile towards the French. I could
give you severa reasons why, but they are all based on personal opinions.
However, looking at the past one hundred year history of Germany, I think such
a news item is noteworthy. You may not agree with it but you do have to
consider that there are others who have made the same observation.
Jigsaw
Euro
"JIGSAW1695" <jigsa...@aol.com>
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I hadn't noticed you were reposting an article, but I maintain what I said:
it is obnoxious to relate this short news to a new surge of fascism.
Whatever the US did in history doesn't entitle any American to do that.
Euro
A Planet Visitor
"French Ribbon Clerk" <FRC_Spnak...@noos.fr> wrote in message news:be1acvkd0kiou6ndt...@4ax.com...Rest clipped...
> Quite aside from the asinine nature of your comments, Shit-For-Brains,
> one need only look back a few weeks, to remember how dissent itself
> was (and still is) stifled in the United States, when a group of young
> black females (the kind you and FW hate most) dared to voice what
> every intelligent 'American' (sic) was thinking: that your President
> is the shame of the civilised world.
ROTFLMAO... Of all the ignorant comments I've ever seen from
the Nameless One. Tinged with a bit of racism... "a group of
young black females.." THE DIXIE CHICKS.. What a fucking
absolute ignorant moron you are!!!! You make my comment
concerning the "face" on the euro, look like Einstein's Special
Theory of Relativity. See --
url:http://dixiechicks.launch.yahoo.com/
url:http://www.geocities.com/Nashville/Opry/5727/
The Dixie Chicks -- "A group of young black females..."
You ignorant shithead!!!
This DEFINITELY Deserves a Nameless One Gimmick --
The DIXIE CHICKS -- Young black females.
What fucking planet are you from???
<clipped>
PV
> ---
> The Nameless One
The world waits and wonders when the Nameless One will ever
develop a defense for his lack of intellectual acumen which does
not simply involve a mindless drivel insult. We've been waiting
quite some time now, so perhaps this represents the full stretch
of his mental capabilities. Since if one begins to count the
Nameless One's comments that contain no meaningful information
at all except lies and insults.-- this would be #64 since I began
routinely counting them a few days ago. And his insults are
flowing faster than I can keep up with them. Unfortunately,
as I've noted, they contain nothing but insults.
JIGSAW1695
Date: 5/17/2003 10:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time
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PV
> ---
> The Nameless One
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PV, you know that Dezi Dezi destroys all papers trails of statements he has
made.
It is best to make a copy of his posts. When he denies ever saying them, we can
use past history to refute his claim.
Jigsaw
JIGSAW1695
Message-id: <qvtfcvk8tcdbajjdg...@4ax.com>
On 18 May 2003 05:00:15 GMT, jigsa...@aol.com (JIGSAW1695) wrote:
{ snip }
> PV, you know that Dezi Dezi destroys all papers trails of statements he has
> made.
>
> It is best to make a copy of his posts. When he denies ever saying them, we
can
> use past history to refute his claim.
FuckWit Patented Gimmick (TM) n° 135 * in all its ... sorry, 'it's'
(sic) glory ...
{ snip }
* all rights reserved
---
Desmond Coughlan
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Dezi, you fucking idiotP didnt say that.
Dolly B.Coughlan Jr
<FRC_Spnak...@noos.fr> writes:
>Subject: Re: Fascism Alive and Well....
>From: French Ribbon Clerk <FRC_Spnak...@noos.fr>
>Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 23:17:08 +0200
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>On 18 May 2003 05:00:15 GMT, jigsa...@aol.com (JIGSAW1695) wrote:
>
>{ snip }
>
>> PV, you know that Dezi Dezi destroys all papers trails of statements he has
>> made.
>>
>> It is best to make a copy of his posts. When he denies ever saying them, we
>can
>> use past history to refute his claim.
>
>FuckWit Patented Gimmick (TM) n° 135 * in all its ... sorry, 'it's'
>(sic) glory ...
>
>{ snip }
>
>* all rights reserved
>
>---
>Desmond Coughlan |desmond @ zeouane . org
>French Ribbon Clerk (FRC)
>Yamaha YZF-R1
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On Sun, 18 May 2003 02:37:50 GMT, "A Planet Visitor"
<abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
> > Quite aside from the asinine nature of your comments, Shit-For-Brains,
> > one need only look back a few weeks, to remember how dissent itself
> > was (and still is) stifled in the United States, when a group of young
> > black females (the kind you and FW hate most) dared to voice what
> > every intelligent 'American' (sic) was thinking: that your President
> > is the shame of the civilised world.
> ROTFLMAO... Of all the ignorant comments I've ever seen from
> the Nameless One. Tinged with a bit of racism... "a group of
> young black females.." THE DIXIE CHICKS.. What a fucking
> absolute ignorant moron you are!!!! You make my comment
> concerning the "face" on the euro, look like Einstein's Special
> Theory of Relativity. See --
> url:http://dixiechicks.launch.yahoo.com/
> url:http://www.geocities.com/Nashville/Opry/5727/
> The Dixie Chicks -- "A group of young black females..."
> You ignorant shithead!!!
>
> This DEFINITELY Deserves a Nameless One Gimmick --
> The DIXIE CHICKS -- Young black females.
> What fucking planet are you from???
Oh yes ... 'ROTLMAO' indeed. Jesus, I'm laughing so much that I can't
see my screen !!
A measure of how desperate FW has become, just as when he tried to
tell news:alt.activism.death-penalty that I wasn't in 'touch with the
real world' * because I had never heard of the crappy 'American' (sic)
series 'Married With Children'.
This merits nothing more than a 'Bwaaahahahaha !!!!'
* on this occasion, I paraphrase
---
Desmond Coughlan
===============================
So Dezi, are you now saying that you never said that the Dixie Chics were
"three black females"?
A Planet Visitor
wrote:
>On 16 May 2003 15:59:09 GMT, jigsa...@aol.com (JIGSAW1695) wrote:
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>>> Quite aside from the asinine nature of your comments, Shit-For-Brains,
>>> one need only look back a few weeks, to remember how dissent itself
>>> was (and still is) stifled in the United States, when a group of young
>>> black females (the kind you and FW hate most) dared to voice what
>>> every intelligent 'American' (sic) was thinking: that your President
>>> is the shame of the civilised world.
>
>> And would thant be a singing group named the Dixie Chicks?
>>
>>
>> Desmond Coughlan
>
>Yes it would, and why are you signing your name as me ? Had a brain
>transplant, have you ?
ROTFLMAO... Don't you EVER mention the "face" on the euro, again.
you stupid shit!! Further.. I do detect a bit of racism in your words...
since you wanted to IMPLY a racist opposition to their statement because
you ASSUMED they were Black. And you did so in one of the biggest
blunders imaginable.
Although I STILL have not seen an ADMISSION of your foolish error.
All I've seen is an attempt to slide under that admission by rather shrugging
your shoulders and not ACTUALLY STATING you did not know what
you were talking about... just as I did with the "face" on the euro. I need
to remind you of --
The Nameless One Alternate gimmick n° 147 -- see
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020917212913.19576.00001262%40mb-fo.aol.com
== The I always admit my errors gimmick ==
"What makes me, I believe, far superior to PV is that when I make such an
error, I accept the fact"
PV
>
>---
>The Nameless One
The world waits and wonders when the Nameless One will ever
develop a defense for his lack of intellectual acumen which does
not simply involve a mindless drivel insult. We've been waiting
quite some time now, so perhaps this represents the full stretch
of his mental capabilities. Since if one begins to count the
Nameless One's comments that contain no meaningful information
at all except lies and insults.-- this would be #79 since I began
A Planet Visitor
wrote:
>On 16 May 2003 19:15:58 GMT, jigsa...@aol.com (JIGSAW1695) wrote:
>
>{ snip }
>
>>> > And would thant be a singing group named the Dixie Chicks?
>
>> > Yes it would, and why are you signing your name as me ? Had a brain
>> > transplant, have you ?
>
>> ROTFLMAO!!!!
>>
>> You stupid cow. The Dixie Chics are three white girls from the Southern part of
>> the US. They sing Country and Western until they insulted their fan base and
>> got dumped.
>
>So they're white. Goody gum-drops. That doesn't change the fact that
>they are a perfect example of dissent being quashed.
>
>> ".... A group of young black females".
>>
>> Dezi, Dezi Desz,, you really blew it this time.
>
>ROTFLMAO !!
>
>Sure, SFB. If every mistake of yours equated to 'blowing it', you'd
>have a bloody stump left where your head should be. Now run along and
>claim victory, you gibbering little spastic.
>
Actually that's about as pathetic as they come, for someone who claims
to be "superior" because of the ease of his admission of an error. I see
it not actually coming from you directly... but rather grudgingly shrugging
your shoulders, and providing the typical insult. When you are WRONG,
you need to 'fess up, if you intend to claim being "superior," Nameless
One. So I am STILL waiting for the words -- "I was in error." And
it should be unaccompanied by your usual --
Nameless One's alternate gimmick n° 2 --
== Offer no meaningful information but provide a plethora of insults
instead.==
Just a simple -- "I was in error," unaccompanied by anything else,
will do just fine. And in respect to the "face" on the euro -- "I was
in error." I doubt seriously you will prove yourself "superior"
Nameless One... since you have already FAILED the first test
here with the Dixie Chicks.
JIGSAW1695
Message-id: <ru7hcv8sb87haagh7...@4ax.com>
On 19 May 2003 08:10:36 GMT, jigsa...@aol.com (JIGSAW1695) wrote:
{ snip my majestic thrashing of FW's 'ass' (sic) }
> So Dezi, are you now saying that you never said that the Dixie Chics were
> "three black females"?
No, SFB: I was wrong. Curiously enough, as I was in my local music
shop a few days ago, buying a Kate Bush album to replace the one that
someone had nicked from me, I stumbled across an album by the Dixie
Chicks. I might go down there again this week, and buy it ...
---
Desmond Coughlan
===============================
If you pay more that $2.99 US for it, you have been taken.
Dolly B.Coughlan Jr
<FRC_Spnak...@noos.fr> writes:
>Subject: Re: Fascism Alive and Well....
>From: French Ribbon Clerk <FRC_Spnak...@noos.fr>
>Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 13:19:44 +0200
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>On 19 May 2003 11:06:17 GMT, jigsa...@aol.com (JIGSAW1695) wrote:
>
>{ snip }
>
>>> No, SFB: I was wrong. Curiously enough, as I was in my local music
>>> shop a few days ago, buying a Kate Bush album to replace the one that
>>> someone had nicked from me, I stumbled across an album by the Dixie
>>> Chicks. I might go down there again this week, and buy it ...
>
>> If you pay more that $2.99 US for it, you have been taken.
>
>I didn't note the price. As it's a 'new' album, I reckon it will be
>around 18 EUR - 20 EUR.
>
>---
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>French Ribbon Clerk (FRC)
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Dolly B.Coughlan Jr
<FRC_Spnak...@noos.fr> writes:
>Subject: Re: Fascism Alive and Well....
>From: French Ribbon Clerk <FRC_Spnak...@noos.fr>
>Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 11:42:45 +0200
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>On 19 May 2003 08:10:36 GMT, jigsa...@aol.com (JIGSAW1695) wrote:
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>{ snip my majestic thrashing of FW's 'ass' (sic) }
>
>> So Dezi, are you now saying that you never said that the Dixie Chics were
>> "three black females"?
>
>No, SFB: I was wrong. Curiously enough, as I was in my local music
>shop a few days ago, buying a Kate Bush album to replace the one that
>someone had nicked from me, I stumbled across an album by the Dixie
>Chicks. I might go down there again this week, and buy it ...
>
>---
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Dolly B.Coughlan Jr
<FRC_Spnak...@noos.fr> writes:
>Subject: Re: Fascism Alive and Well....
>From: French Ribbon Clerk <FRC_Spnak...@noos.fr>
>Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:09:32 +0200
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>On 18 May 2003 21:53:02 GMT, jigsa...@aol.com (JIGSAW1695) wrote:
>
>>> FuckWit Patented Gimmick (TM) n° 135 * in all its ... sorry, 'it's'
>>> (sic) glory ...
>>>
>>> { snip }
>>>
>>> * all rights reserved
>
>> Dezi, you fucking idiotP didnt say that.
>
>Hence the '* all rights reserved', Mouth Breather. Or did you miss
>that bit ? It was to show clearly that you were using a FuckWit
>Patented Gimmick (TM) and that you were acknowledging copyright on it.
>
>Window-licking spag.
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On 19 May 2003 11:06:17 GMT, jigsa...@aol.com (JIGSAW1695) wrote:
{ snip }
>> No, SFB: I was wrong. Curiously enough, as I was in my local music
>> shop a few days ago, buying a Kate Bush album to replace the one that
>> someone had nicked from me, I stumbled across an album by the Dixie
>> Chicks. I might go down there again this week, and buy it ...
> If you pay more that $2.99 US for it, you have been taken.
I didn't note the price. As it's a 'new' album, I reckon it will be
around 18 EUR - 20 EUR.
---
Desmond Coughlan
===========================
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dolly B.Coughlan Jr
<FRC_Spnak...@noos.fr> writes:
>Subject: Re: Fascism Alive and Well....
>From: French Ribbon Clerk <FRC_Spnak...@noos.fr>
>Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 09:07:15 +0200
>
>On Sun, 18 May 2003 02:37:50 GMT, "A Planet Visitor"
><abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
>
>> > Quite aside from the asinine nature of your comments, Shit-For-Brains,
>> > one need only look back a few weeks, to remember how dissent itself
>> > was (and still is) stifled in the United States, when a group of young
>> > black females (the kind you and FW hate most) dared to voice what
>> > every intelligent 'American' (sic) was thinking: that your President
>> > is the shame of the civilised world.
>
>> ROTFLMAO... Of all the ignorant comments I've ever seen from
>> the Nameless One. Tinged with a bit of racism... "a group of
>> young black females.." THE DIXIE CHICKS.. What a fucking
>> absolute ignorant moron you are!!!! You make my comment
>> concerning the "face" on the euro, look like Einstein's Special
>> Theory of Relativity. See --
>> url:http://dixiechicks.launch.yahoo.com/
>> url:http://www.geocities.com/Nashville/Opry/5727/
>> The Dixie Chicks -- "A group of young black females..."
>> You ignorant shithead!!!
>>
>> This DEFINITELY Deserves a Nameless One Gimmick --
>> The DIXIE CHICKS -- Young black females.
>> What fucking planet are you from???
>
>Oh yes ... 'ROTLMAO' indeed. Jesus, I'm laughing so much that I can't
>see my screen !!
>
>A measure of how desperate FW has become, just as when he tried to
>tell news:alt.activism.death-penalty that I wasn't in 'touch with the
>real world' * because I had never heard of the crappy 'American' (sic)
>series 'Married With Children'.
>
>This merits nothing more than a 'Bwaaahahahaha !!!!'
>
>* on this occasion, I paraphrase
>
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Dolly B.Coughlan Jr
<FRC_Spnak...@noos.fr> writes:
>Subject: Re: Fascism Alive and Well....
>From: French Ribbon Clerk <FRC_Spnak...@noos.fr>
>Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 11:59:07 +0200
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>On Mon, 19 May 2003 08:43:32 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>wrote:
>
>{ snip }
>
>> >Sure, SFB. If every mistake of yours equated to 'blowing it', you'd
>> >have a bloody stump left where your head should be. Now run along and
>> >claim victory, you gibbering little spastic.
>
>> Actually that's about as pathetic as they come, for someone who claims
>> to be "superior" because of the ease of his admission of an error. I see
>> it not actually coming from you directly... but rather grudgingly shrugging
>> your shoulders, and providing the typical insult. When you are WRONG,
>> you need to 'fess up, if you intend to claim being "superior," Nameless
>> One. So I am STILL waiting for the words -- "I was in error." And
>> it should be unaccompanied by your usual --
>
>LMAO !!! Poor FW ... tell us again how I'm 'not with it', because I
>hadn't seen the movie 'Casino' (which you described as a 'popular film
>of the current genre') ... bwaaahahahahahaa !!!!
>
>{ snip FuckWit Patented Gimmick (TM) n° 173 (the 'Inverse Gimmick'
>gimmick),
>
>url:http://www.fruffrant.com/gimmicks/173.html ... }
>
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A Planet Visitor
wrote:
>On 18 May 2003 05:00:15 GMT, jigsa...@aol.com (JIGSAW1695) wrote:
>
>{ snip }
>
>> PV, you know that Dezi Dezi destroys all papers trails of statements he has
>> made.
>>
>> It is best to make a copy of his posts. When he denies ever saying them, we can
>> use past history to refute his claim.
>
>FuckWit Patented Gimmick (TM) n° 135 * in all its ... sorry, 'it's'
>(sic) glory ...
Given that I don't hide my posts from archive that can hardly be called a
gimmick...thus desperation has again set in with the Nameless One.
Certainly there is evidence of his --
Nameless One alternate gimmick n° 27
== The -My words are copyright- gimmick- ==
See --
url:http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030508172431.18767.00000439%40mb-m15.aol.com
His words -- "So the X-No-Archive flag is now back in place, and will 'insure' (sic)
copyright on my words"
TRANSLATION -- This offers me the ability to provide lies, racist slurs, insults,
and meaningless drivel without expecting anyone to comment that they are
lies, racist slurs, insults, and meaningless drivel
PV
>{ snip }
>
>* all rights reserved
You've always reserved the _right_ to make a fool of yourself, Oh
Nameless One... Of course, your short comment demonstrated that
you needed TWO gimmicks in those few short words... which rather
shows how totally dependent upon gimmicks you have become --
The Nameless One's alternate gimmick n° 33 --
== When all else fails -- assume the role of pompous pedantic ==
See --
http://www.chez.com/desmondcoughlan/dp/gimmicks/author.html
ROTFLMAO --
and
url:http://www.google.com/groups?selm=c5v3bvg2p47ah0e9gh5i7ne3llcdi4hkhu%404ax.com
For a list of the comments of the Nameless One that assert his
_superior existence_. The gimmick to end ALL GIMMICKS!!!
Unfortunately he has STILL not figured out that Hemingway is
not Donne, and that Socrates did not actually write anything.
Nor has he deciphered the FACT that 'quote' is a noun, as well
as a verb. See -
url:http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/OED%20Online%20-%20quote,%20n_2.htm
PV
>---
> The Nameless One
The world waits and wonders when the Nameless One will ever
develop a defense for his lack of intellectual acumen which does
not simply involve a mindless drivel insult. We've been waiting
quite some time now, so perhaps this represents the full stretch
of his mental capabilities. Since if one begins to count the
Nameless One's comments that contain no meaningful information
at all except lies and insults.-- this would be #81 since I began
A Planet Visitor
wrote:
>On Sun, 18 May 2003 02:37:50 GMT, "A Planet Visitor"
><abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
>
>> > Quite aside from the asinine nature of your comments, Shit-For-Brains,
>> > one need only look back a few weeks, to remember how dissent itself
>> > was (and still is) stifled in the United States, when a group of young
>> > black females (the kind you and FW hate most) dared to voice what
>> > every intelligent 'American' (sic) was thinking: that your President
>> > is the shame of the civilised world.
>
>> ROTFLMAO... Of all the ignorant comments I've ever seen from
>> the Nameless One. Tinged with a bit of racism... "a group of
>> young black females.." THE DIXIE CHICKS.. What a fucking
>> absolute ignorant moron you are!!!! You make my comment
>> concerning the "face" on the euro, look like Einstein's Special
>> Theory of Relativity. See --
>> url:http://dixiechicks.launch.yahoo.com/
>> url:http://www.geocities.com/Nashville/Opry/5727/
>> The Dixie Chicks -- "A group of young black females..."
>> You ignorant shithead!!!
>>
>> This DEFINITELY Deserves a Nameless One Gimmick --
>> The DIXIE CHICKS -- Young black females.
>> What fucking planet are you from???
>
>Oh yes ... 'ROTLMAO' indeed. Jesus, I'm laughing so much that I can't
>see my screen !!
>
>A measure of how desperate FW has become, just as when he tried to
>tell news:alt.activism.death-penalty that I wasn't in 'touch with the
>real world' * because I had never heard of the crappy 'American' (sic)
>series 'Married With Children'.
There are a great number of things you do not "know" about America,
yet you continue to presume you do... such as your current Dixie Chicks
comment. But, I am still reminding you that you are about as pathetic
as they come, for someone who claims to be "superior" because of the
presumed ease of his admission of an error. I see you STRUGGLING
VERY HARD to avoid such a direct admission unaccompanied by an
effort to wiggle out of such an admission. See --
Nameless One Alternate gimmick n° 147 -- see
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020917212913.19576.00001262%40mb-fo.aol.com
== The -I always admit my errors- gimmick ==
"What makes me, I believe, far superior to PV is that when I make such an
error, I accept the fact"
And more pathetic, needy words of self-adulation one cannot
find on the net. Except for your alternate gimmick n° 166 (the begging
gimmick), of course. har de har har.
I have not seen such a general admission of your error actually coming from
you directly... but rather grudgingly shrugging your shoulders, and providing
the typical insult, as demonstrated above. Thus, your claim of "superiority,"
is about as valuable as the Nazis claim of such "superiority." When you are
WRONG, you need to 'fess up, if you intend to claim being "superior,"
Nameless One. So I am STILL waiting for the words -- "I was in error."
And it should be UNACCOMPANIED by your usual --
Nameless One's alternate gimmick n° 2 --
== Offer no meaningful information but provide a plethora of insults
instead.==
Just a simple -- "I was in error," unaccompanied by anything else,
will do just fine. And in respect to the "face" on the euro -- "I was
in error," unaccompanied by any other excuse or insult. I doubt
seriously you will prove yourself "superior" Nameless One... your
ego rather prevents the demonstration of such proof, since you
have already FAILED the first test here with the Dixie Chicks.
>This merits nothing more than a 'Bwaaahahahaha !!!!'
>
You think I care that you can no longer claim being "superior"
to me, because of the proof in this case? Not hardly, sport.
Not hardly.
>* on this occasion, I paraphrase
>
No... on this occasion, you have attempted what must be seen
as _questionable_ claims of being "superior," since those simple
words, unaccompanied by any others hoping to wiggle out of
your confusion, have still not appeared here. It's so easy... yet
for you... damn near IMPOSSIBLE. Your blood must now
be boiling because of this clear demonstration, which others
would find trivial, but you find earth-shaking... an admission of
error that must be unaccompanied by an insult... I'm waiting....
PV
>---
>The Nameless One
The world waits and wonders when the Nameless One will ever
develop a defense for his lack of intellectual acumen which does
not simply involve a mindless drivel insult. We've been waiting
quite some time now, so perhaps this represents the full stretch
of his mental capabilities. Since if one begins to count the
Nameless One's comments that contain no meaningful information
at all except lies and insults.-- this would be #82 since I began
A Planet Visitor
wrote:
>On 19 May 2003 08:10:36 GMT, jigsa...@aol.com (JIGSAW1695) wrote:
>
>{ snip my majestic thrashing of FW's 'ass' (sic) }
>
>> So Dezi, are you now saying that you never said that the Dixie Chics were
>> "three black females"?
>
>No, SFB: I was wrong. Curiously enough, as I was in my local music
>shop a few days ago, buying a Kate Bush album to replace the one that
>someone had nicked from me, I stumbled across an album by the Dixie
>Chicks. I might go down there again this week, and buy it ...
>
Actually, that hardly demonstrates an "admission" given fully, without
the implication that the one asking for it, has somehow been remiss in
doing so, and needs to be insulted in the process. In fact, it seems to
be simply an insult... and then a stumbling attempt to change the subject
and wiggle away. I will AGAIN ask for the words "I was in error,"
without any conditions applied to those four words, since THAT was
your statement in your
Nameless One Alternate gimmick n° 147 -- see
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020917212913.19576.00001262%40mb-fo.aol.com
== The -I always admit my errors- gimmick ==
"What makes me, I believe, far superior to PV is that when I make such an
error, I accept the fact"
And more pathetic, needy words of self-adulation one cannot
find on the net. har de har har.
I find that both Jigsaw and I are unable to drag out of you the simple
acceptance of the fact of your error, without you providing a great deal
of insult, presuming the very fact you made such an error should not be
mentioned. I have not seen such a general admission of your error actually
coming from you directly... but rather grudgingly shrugging your shoulders,
and providing the typical insult, as demonstrated above. Thus, your claim
of "superiority," is about as valuable as the Nazis claim of such "superiority."
When you are WRONG, you need to 'fess up, if you intend to claim being
"superior," Nameless One. So I am STILL waiting for the words -- "I
was in error," or very similar words WITHOUT an insult embedded in the
same admission. It should be UNACCOMPANIED by your usual preface
of SFB, or FW, or any of the variations you offer to hide your inability to
actually intelligently communication, and in this case, recognize your error.
Just a simple -- "I was in error," unaccompanied by anything else,
will do just fine. And in respect to the "face" on the euro -- I freely
admit -- "I was in error," without the slightest intention of providing an
insult with such an admission... you and others were quite right to make
"fun" of me in respect to my comment, regardless of its meaning as a
joke. I doubt seriously you will prove yourself "superior" Nameless
One... since you have already FAILED the first test here with the
Dixie Chicks. I wonder if you will provide an admission of your "error"
with the same words as I've used in regard to the "face" of the euro?
I think if you do... you will probably go into a catatonic fit.
PV
>---
>The Nameless One
The world waits and wonders when the Nameless One will ever
develop a defense for his lack of intellectual acumen which does
not simply involve a mindless drivel insult. We've been waiting
quite some time now, so perhaps this represents the full stretch
of his mental capabilities. Since if one begins to count the
Nameless One's comments that contain no meaningful information
at all except lies and insults.-- this would be #83 since I began
A Planet Visitor
wrote:
>On 19 May 2003 11:06:17 GMT, jigsa...@aol.com (JIGSAW1695) wrote:
>
>{ snip }
>
>>> No, SFB: I was wrong. Curiously enough, as I was in my local music
>>> shop a few days ago, buying a Kate Bush album to replace the one that
>>> someone had nicked from me, I stumbled across an album by the Dixie
>>> Chicks. I might go down there again this week, and buy it ...
>
>> If you pay more that $2.99 US for it, you have been taken.
>
>I didn't note the price. As it's a 'new' album, I reckon it will be
>around 18 EUR - 20 EUR.
I'm waiting....Don't try and change the subject. The Dixie Chicks...
I'm waiting... It appears you aren't as "superior" as you have led
everyone to believe.
dirtdog
My Lord, FW. You really are desperate, aren't you?
At first, when this issue cropped up, I seriously thought you were
simply spouting your shit as a rather weak but brave troll to go for
an easy rise off Desmond.
Now that you continue to rant on despite the fact that it is obvious
Desmond is not going to bite, I am starting to believe that you
actually think this is a 'point scored'.
Your impotence against Desmond has evidently reached such an extent
that you will pounce on any opportunity, no matter how trivial, to try
to convinve yourself that you know something, _anything_ that he does
not!
As Cerby quite correctly stated in his recent comments regarding you
and Jiggy shamefully turning on a child to 'get to' Desmond, look at
the depths to which you have sunk.
w00f
A Planet Visitor
wrote:
>On Mon, 19 May 2003 08:43:32 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>wrote:
>
>{ snip }
>
>> >Sure, SFB. If every mistake of yours equated to 'blowing it', you'd
>> >have a bloody stump left where your head should be. Now run along and
>> >claim victory, you gibbering little spastic.
>
>> Actually that's about as pathetic as they come, for someone who claims
>> to be "superior" because of the ease of his admission of an error. I see
>> it not actually coming from you directly... but rather grudgingly shrugging
>> your shoulders, and providing the typical insult. When you are WRONG,
>> you need to 'fess up, if you intend to claim being "superior," Nameless
>> One. So I am STILL waiting for the words -- "I was in error." And
>> it should be unaccompanied by your usual --
>
>LMAO !!! Poor FW ... tell us again how I'm 'not with it', because I
>hadn't seen the movie 'Casino' (which you described as a 'popular film
>of the current genre') ... bwaaahahahahahaa !!!!
>
LOL... The Nameless One digs deep and comes up with a post from
4 months ago, that rather proved that he as, as I mentioned in that
post -- as "thick as pig shit." Given that he's confused Hemingway
with Donne, that "thickness" is rather obvious.
>{ snip FuckWit Patented Gimmick (TM) n° 173 (the 'Inverse Gimmick'
>gimmick),
>url:http://www.fruffrant.com/gimmicks/173.html ... }
I Think that's another gimmick you should distance yourself from, Oh
Nameless One, since it recalls your rather perverted --
Nameless One's alternate gimmick n° 173 -- See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=diablo-F5D718.22561113012002%40newsroom.utas.edu.au
== The -Send me your niece for a blowjob- gimmick ==
Your words -- "and send that 16-year-old niece of yours around to
give me a blowjob whenever I want one."
Can anyone possibly believe that is a rational comment of a
_normal_ sexual urge from a 35-year-old married man
with a new child? One wonders what is in store 16 years
from NOW!! Lusting after some perverse sexual contact,
from a young child? Further, this is not the first instance
of a rather disturbing attraction that the Nameless One
holds for very young teen-age females. I am reminded
of his sexual attraction to Sarah Hughes, the American
Ice-skater, with these words -- "Tearing my eyes away
from her firm, comely, sixteen-year-old thighs" See --
url:http://www.google.com/groups?selm=k8Fd8.241945%24jO5.31537378%40typhoon.tampabay.rr.com
and then we have his sexually charged discription of a
17-year-old being murdered... with a vivid description
of her splayed thighs (apparently the Nameless One has
a _thing_ for young thighs), and the description of her
not wearing panties with her pubic area exposed as
she falls murdered to the floor, while he thinks about
how he wished he had raped her before murderering
her, One can imagine the slobber forming on the
Nameless One's lips as he wrote this discription. see
url:http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20020817212931.10131.00000274%40mb-fo.aol.com
Anyone care to hear the Nameless One's EXCUSE for such
a rather unhealthy attraction by a middle-age man to young
teenagers? Well, it would be in these words -- "Now, in my
country, a sixteen-year-old girl is not a 'child'. In France, girls
reach majority at fifteen." Exactly what IS "majority"? Does that
imply they have the same sense of responsibility toward the
commission of a crime? Of murder? It would seem as if the
Nameless one is being a bit hypocritical, by presuming two
standards for those who are 15-years-old. And the question
in my mind is... at what age will he feel it no longer appropriate
for him to _bathe his daughter_?
Shame on you, Oh Nameless One.. Shame...shame...shame.
And shame on you for believing that my exposure of your lies,
hypocrisy, perversions, ignorance, ego-driven pseudo-intellectualism,
racism, bigotry, homophobia, pathetic begging for the group to
support you, the need to always express your self-adulation,
and your constant substitution of obscene insults for rational dialog,
could possibly be characterized as MY gimmicks. That is WHY I
have exposed YOUR gimmicks. And why it has cut you to the
quick with my doing so. You cannot HIDE from your corrupt
behavior under the guise of claiming that every disclosure of that
corrupt behavior must be a "gimmick." The fact is you cannot
DEFEND against those disclosures, and thus need to create a
facade to hide behind, by calling it a "gimmick" when you ARE
exposed.
But that wall has come crumbling down... my alternate gimmicks
have ripped down that facade, and exposed you for the evil little
monster you are. And I gain a calm satisfaction that your evil is
being exposed. Understanding full well that I cannot stop you... but
knowing in my heart that the 'eye of the beholder' can well recognize
each of those characteristics I have mentioned in your posts,
when I cause them to be recognized..
A Planet Visitor
wrote:
>On Tue, 20 May 2003 08:27:30 GMT, A Planet 'Conviction in Civil Court'
>Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 19 May 2003 13:19:44 +0200, French Ribbon Clerk <FRC_Spnak...@noos.fr>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On 19 May 2003 11:06:17 GMT, jigsa...@aol.com (JIGSAW1695) wrote:
>>>
>>>{ snip }
>>>
>>>>> No, SFB: I was wrong. Curiously enough, as I was in my local music
>>>>> shop a few days ago, buying a Kate Bush album to replace the one that
>>>>> someone had nicked from me, I stumbled across an album by the Dixie
>>>>> Chicks. I might go down there again this week, and buy it ...
>>>
>>>> If you pay more that $2.99 US for it, you have been taken.
>>>
>>>I didn't note the price. As it's a 'new' album, I reckon it will be
>>>around 18 EUR - 20 EUR.
>>
>>I'm waiting....Don't try and change the subject. The Dixie Chicks...
>>I'm waiting... It appears you aren't as "superior" as you have led
>>everyone to believe.
>
>My Lord, FW. You really are desperate, aren't you?
>
No... not at all. Your imagination is running wild again. It would appear
that the Nameless One is the one who is desperate. Desperately
trying to regain a shred of credibility here by changing the subject
to avoid the responsibility he has always said he assumes, when he
claimed he always acepts the fact when he makes such an error. See --.
Nameless One Alternate gimmick n° 147 -- see
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020917212913.19576.00001262%40mb-fo.aol.com
== The I always admit my errors gimmick ==
His words -- "What makes me, I believe, far superior to PV is that when I make
such an error, I accept the fact"
If he intends to make smug, supercilious statements such as that...
don't you think he has a responsibility to follow up on them?
Of course you don't... you are as great an offender as he is. And
after all... to you... he IS the Nameless One, which places him
beyond the reach of mere mortals.
<pathetic ravings in support of the Nameless One's inability to admit
the error in fact that he so loudly declared he would do clipped>
Need I mention? Sounds simply like more SLURP... SLURP... SLURP
from you to the Nameless One. What drives you to be so slavish????
PV
>
>w00f
John Rennie
"Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3ec58a4e$1...@news.meganetnews.com...
>> > ===============================
> >
> > Sure Euro, now all you have to do is provide us with a valid source. Did
> you
> > get that info from the Sun (LOL) or a French newspaper.
>
> I got that from Reuters, about two weeks ago. Unfortunately, I didn't keep
> the press release. Contrary to what some here try to imply, I'm not
> systematically yielding to anti-Americanism.
Good. Now I hope you will withdraw the statement that you made when
you said you WERE anti-American.
John Rennie
"John Rennie" <j.re...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:OkFza.207$1h2....@newsfep2-gui.server.ntli.net...
Still waiting.
A Planet Visitor
He will now explain how saying he is "anti-American," does not mean he
has defined "anti-" to be actually 'against America,' or some other
pathological lie to avoid admitting what he said in a moment of
forgetting to remove his foot from his mouth before opening it.
PV
Euro
"John Rennie" <j.re...@ntlworld.com>
??????:Gy_Aa.415$mm1...@newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net...
I don't think I made my statement this way, John. I said more or less that
"if criticizing the US means being anti-American, then I am an
anti-American". I maintain this.
Besides, most of my criticisms on the US are less obnoxious than finding a
fait divers in Germany and concluding that fascism is "alive and well".
At this point, I'd like to stress that, throughout the past weeks, there has
been a quite questionable anti-German and anti-French campaign in the US
press - using physical and sometimes even racist arguments - , and this
campaign has been largely relayed and endorsed by some posters here.
Being "anti-German" or "anti-French" in this acceptance should also be
condemned, and I find myself strangely alone in doing it. My so-called
"anti-Americanism" is limited to criticizing, maybe too vehemently, the US
death penalty and several aspects of US policies. It never led me to write
the words that have been written, in the very recent past, by many Americans
on the French or on the Germans.
Euro
John Rennie
Accepted. I came down a little hard on you because of the stupid
anti-French opinions being expressed here. I just didn't want
Europeans falling into the same trap. Of course it is a pity that
Chirac just happens to be President at this sensitive time - I cannot
see someone like Mitterrand ever getting into the same position
vis-a-vis the US.
Euro
"John Rennie" <j.re...@ntlworld.com>
??????:gBZBa.369$Zd.1...@newsfep2-gui.server.ntli.net...
Chirac was very clumsy - I wrote it after his "they lost a good occasion to
shut up" statement, and I write it again. He also didn't manage to present a
convincing alternative to the agression on Iraq. That's true.
But I do believe he opposed the US on Iraq for ideas that were (and remain)
correct. It's too bad Blair didn't use his talent (because he does have
talent) for a better cause. Well, one can't rewrite history... :-)
Euro
Donna Evleth
Dans l'article <gBZBa.369$Zd.1...@newsfep2-gui.server.ntli.net>, "John
Rennie" <j.re...@ntlworld.com> a écrit :
> Of course it is a pity that
> Chirac just happens to be President at this sensitive time - I cannot
> see someone like Mitterrand ever getting into the same position
> vis-a-vis the US.
In the heat of the recent Franco-American controversies, there is something
that a lot of people tend to forget: few people here in France really like
Chirac. His image in the past has been that of a slippery and crooked
politician who would do anything to be re-elected, who promises everybody
everything and its opposite, and who is much more comfortable running for
office than doing anything with that office once elected. Once elected, he
always seems a bit unsure of what to do.
In his own way, Chirac, like Bush, has a legitimacy problem with his
election as President the last time round. Although he got 82% in the
second round, it was only because of who he was running against. When your
choice is the crook or the Fascist, you hold your nose and vote for the
crook. I freely admit, I was part of the 82% that did this. Chirac surely
remembers this problem, and it may color his thinking.
Donna Evleth
Donna Evleth
Rev. Don Kool
JIGSAW1695 wrote:
> Fascism is alive and well in Germany. If history follows its path, France will
> be surrendering shorty.
>
> Man faces jail for writing on his own car
>
> A German man who staged a political protest by writing "The Government is crap"
> on his own car, has been told to remove it or face jail.
>
> Police failed to see the funny side of 33-year-old Stefan Lukoschek's protest
> at the policies of Gerhard Schroeder.
>
> Officers said they had received complaints from several people about protest on
> his yellow VW. The words were stenciled on the rear and side windows.
>
> Lukoschek said: "I put it on there because my father who worked all his life,
> has seen his pension reduced to nothing by the current government."
Good thing that he didn't stencil a swastika on his VW and drive it
into france. The government of france doesn't look too kindly on free
speech either. :-(
Hope this helps,
Don
--
*************************** Q: How many frenchmen does it take
* Rev. Don McDonald, SCNA * to defend Paris?
* Baltimore, MD * A: No one knows, it's never been tried.
***************************
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/oldno7/TheFrench.mpg
Reluctant Yamaha YZF-R1 Owner
JIGSAW1695
Date: 5/31/2003 2:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <3ED8F46D...@comcast.net>
JIGSAW1695 wrote:
> Fascism is alive and well in Germany. If history follows its path, France
will
> be surrendering shorty.
>
> Man faces jail for writing on his own car
>
> A German man who staged a political protest by writing "The Government is
crap"
> on his own car, has been told to remove it or face jail.
>
> Police failed to see the funny side of 33-year-old Stefan Lukoschek's protest
> at the policies of Gerhard Schroeder.
>
> Officers said they had received complaints from several people about protest
on
> his yellow VW. The words were stenciled on the rear and side windows.
>
> Lukoschek said: "I put it on there because my father who worked all his life,
> has seen his pension reduced to nothing by the current government."
Good thing that he didn't stencil a swastika on his VW and drive it
into france. The government of france doesn't look too kindly on free
speech either. :-(
===============================
I am not so sure about that Rev. If he did, the border guards would the first
to surrender and then the rest of France would do the same in less that an
hour.
They are funny that way when it comes to
the Germans.
ikke
"JIGSAW1695" <jigsa...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030531155120...@mb-m01.aol.com...
> Subject: Re: Fascism Alive and Well....
> From: "Rev. Don Kool" old...@comcast.net
> Date: 5/31/2003 2:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time
> Message-id: <3ED8F46D...@comcast.net>
>
>
>
> JIGSAW1695 wrote:
> > Fascism is alive and well in Germany. If history follows its path,
France
> will
> > be surrendering shorty.
> >
> > Man faces jail for writing on his own car
> >
> > A German man who staged a political protest by writing "The Government
is
> crap"
> > on his own car, has been told to remove it or face jail.
> >
> > Police failed to see the funny side of 33-year-old Stefan Lukoschek's
protest
> > at the policies of Gerhard Schroeder.
> >
> > Officers said they had received complaints from several people about
protest
> on
> > his yellow VW. The words were stenciled on the rear and side windows.
> >
> > Lukoschek said: "I put it on there because my father who worked all his
life,
> > has seen his pension reduced to nothing by the current government."
>
(snip ape Kool's nonsense and Jiggy's humorous reply)
I really don't know why you bother with your tales of woe from Europe when
similarly damning stories from the US are so commonplace.
http://www.indystar.com/print/articles/9/044412-9039-019.html
Looks like it's not only flag burning that's a no-no, you've got to watch
how and where you wave them too.
Cheers
John
Rev. Don Kool
Good point. After all it was a VW he was driving.
Rev. Don Kool
ikke wrote:
> "JIGSAW1695" <jigsa...@aol.com> wrote...
[...snip...]
> I really don't know why you bother with your tales of woe from Europe when
> similarly damning stories from the US are so commonplace.
>
> http://www.indystar.com/print/articles/9/044412-9039-019.html
>
> Looks like it's not only flag burning that's a no-no, you've got to watch
> how and where you wave them too.
<yawn> Arrests for disorderly conduct are hardly the affront to civil
rights that europe's anti free speech decrees are.
Happy to have cleared things up for you,
Euro
"ikke" <ik...@NOSPAMwho.net>
??????:O_7Ca.1354$vf6....@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
What Jigsaw and Kool are doing would be called in German
"Fremdenverhetzung". It's a step below "xenophobia" but the result is really
to provoke reactions of hatred against groups of people for the choices
their (democratically elected) leaders made. As they don't (maybe can't)
attack these leaders with ideas, they attack their peoples with clichés.
That, indeed, is very questionable. Jigsaw and Kool would be the first ones
to waive an "anti-American" label on anyone who would do the same onto the
Americans. Like taking a racial fait divers that occurred in a Southern
State and conclude with no further inquiry that KKK is "alive and well".
On the top of stupidity, I must also stress Kool's comment about freedom of
speech. Let me remind Kool that, neither in France, nor in Germany, nor
anywhere else in Western Europe to my knowledge, did any artist suffer
threats of boycott because of his stance on the Iraq war, regardless of what
this stance was.
Euro
A Planet Visitor
>
>"John Rennie" <j.re...@ntlworld.com>
>??????:Gy_Aa.415$mm1...@newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net...
>>
>> "John Rennie" <j.re...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>> news:OkFza.207$1h2....@newsfep2-gui.server.ntli.net...
>> >
>> > "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:3ec58a4e$1...@news.meganetnews.com...
>> > >> > ===============================
>> > > >
>> > > > Sure Euro, now all you have to do is provide us with a valid source.
>> Did
>> > > you
>> > > > get that info from the Sun (LOL) or a French newspaper.
>> > >
>> > > I got that from Reuters, about two weeks ago. Unfortunately, I didn't
>> keep
>> > > the press release. Contrary to what some here try to imply, I'm not
>> > > systematically yielding to anti-Americanism.
>> >
>> > Good. Now I hope you will withdraw the statement that you made when
>> > you said you WERE anti-American.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Still waiting.
>
>I don't think I made my statement this way, John. I said more or less that
>"if criticizing the US means being anti-American, then I am an
>anti-American". I maintain this.
But that's your problem -- because "criticizing the US" DOESN'T mean
being anti-American. I criticize the U.S. as well, and no one thinks
I'm anti-American. Certainly when I argue that we are a nation without
honor in respect to racism, I do not presume that I am being anti-American,
but I am certainly criticizing the U.S. The point is you are rather PROUD
of being anti-American, aside from criticizing the U.S.... so your words are
rather fraudulent. You should be SPECIFIC in your criticism of the
U.S., and not throw totally meaningless insults in, which rather proves you
are being anti-American, simply because you ARE anti-American, which
you admit to. Quite clearly I can give a very good example of your
comments as to what I mean. That would be your aggressive and unnecessary
use of the native American to ATTACK the U.S., which required me to
remind you that Europe is not exactly "clean" in that regard. If you had not
mentioned the native American, as an anti-American attack, having no
meaning in the context of your comment, it would not have required the
response that I provided.
>
>Besides, most of my criticisms on the US are less obnoxious than finding a
>fait divers in Germany and concluding that fascism is "alive and well".
>
There is not much question that fascism is 'alive and well' in all of Europe.
Just as racism is in the U.S. Denial is the worst form of hypocrisy.
There is NO QUESTION in my mind that racism in the U.S. is much
greater than in Europe, by and large. While anti-Semitism is much,
much stronger in Europe than it can possibly be in the U.S.
When we recognize our flaws... we grow stronger in attacking them.
<rambling clipped>
PV
>Euro
John Rennie
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
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snip
> >
> There is not much question that fascism is 'alive and well' in all of
Europe.
> Just as racism is in the U.S. Denial is the worst form of hypocrisy.
> There is NO QUESTION in my mind that racism in the U.S. is much
> greater than in Europe, by and large. While anti-Semitism is much,
> much stronger in Europe than it can possibly be in the U.S.
Well that's because it's been around a lot longer.
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
??????:n07jdv8qba83cios0...@4ax.com...(snipped)
> >
> >Besides, most of my criticisms on the US are less obnoxious than finding
a
> >fait divers in Germany and concluding that fascism is "alive and well".
> >
> There is not much question that fascism is 'alive and well' in all of
Europe.
> Just as racism is in the U.S. Denial is the worst form of hypocrisy.
> There is NO QUESTION in my mind that racism in the U.S. is much
> greater than in Europe, by and large. While anti-Semitism is much,
> much stronger in Europe than it can possibly be in the U.S.
> When we recognize our flaws... we grow stronger in attacking them.
>
I wonder, PV, how you can associate anti-semitism in Europe to fascism
(which historically contained anti-semitism, but wasn't limited to that, or
maybe, better said, was a very particular kind of anti-semitism backed by a
State system) and draw such a line between racism in the US and fascism.
I fear that, by invoking fascism to describe what happens now in some
European countries, you may result in trivializing fascism - which, for me,
once again, is a State system that, historically, was anti-semitic in
Germany, but could, in the future and in another country, be built on
another hatred.
That being said, I draw your attention on the fact that the fait divers
posted at the origin of this tread had nothing to do with anti-semitism.
Invoking fascism in this case was openly meant at insulting Germans.
Euro
Rev. Don Kool
exercising free speech.
Patently illegal in the cesspool that is europe. :-(
Happy to have cleared things up for you,
A Planet Visitor
>
>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
>news:n07jdv8qba83cios0...@4ax.com...
>
>snip
>> >
>> There is not much question that fascism is 'alive and well' in all of
>Europe.
>> Just as racism is in the U.S. Denial is the worst form of hypocrisy.
>> There is NO QUESTION in my mind that racism in the U.S. is much
>> greater than in Europe, by and large. While anti-Semitism is much,
>> much stronger in Europe than it can possibly be in the U.S.
>
>Well that's because it's been around a lot longer.
>
Well... God Damn it... you should have learned by now, if it's been
around longer. :-)
Okay, seriously. At the time of WW II, anti-Semitism was a monstrous
fact in Europe, even in those countries not actually participating in the
holocaust. The efforts to save the Jews in some countries, usually are
held up as symbols more than anything else... such as Anna Frank in
the Netherlands. While at the same moment, at the time of WW II,
racism was a monstrous fact in the U.S. With Blacks often not
permitted to go where German POWs held in the U.S., were freely
permitted to go under escort. Yet we quite willingly sent them to
die when we needed to do so.
Now... a bit under 60 years later... anti-Semitism still exists in Europe...
but the reduction from WW II has been extraordinary. I would never
presume that it exists anywhere near the level of 60 years ago. But
one would be a fool to claim it is no longer a very destructive force
in your society.
And the same can be said for racism in the U.S. It does not exist at
the same level as it did 60 years ago. But one would be a fool to
claim it is no longer a very destructive force in my society. And I
will also admit that racism in my country is a more destructive force
in comparative terms than is anti-Semitism in Europe. This being
so IMHO, because racism in the U.S. has created a violence level
that could threaten the very fabric of our society. Which has actually
in some respects turned a race against itself in frustration, rage and
despair.
So we HAVE made enormous strides in those two areas. But in
my life... the little that is left.. I will never accept anything other than
total equality in the races and total elimination of anti-Semitism.
This is an opinion that is unshakable. And anyone who presumes
I am trying to gain "credibility" with those thoughts, can clearly go
fuck themselves. Because Ive found that expressions of anti-racism
here generate not much more than insults from others.
PV
John Rennie
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
> On Sun, 1 Jun 2003 09:21:43 +0100, "John Rennie" <j.re...@ntlworld.com>
wrote:
>
> >
> >"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
> >news:n07jdv8qba83cios0...@4ax.com...
> >
> >snip
> >> >
> >> There is not much question that fascism is 'alive and well' in all of
> >Europe.
> >> Just as racism is in the U.S. Denial is the worst form of hypocrisy.
> >> There is NO QUESTION in my mind that racism in the U.S. is much
> >> greater than in Europe, by and large. While anti-Semitism is much,
> >> much stronger in Europe than it can possibly be in the U.S.
> >
> >Well that's because it's been around a lot longer.
> >
> Well... God Damn it... you should have learned by now, if it's been
> around longer. :-)
>
> Okay, seriously. At the time of WW II, anti-Semitism was a monstrous
> fact in Europe, even in those countries not actually participating in the
> holocaust. The efforts to save the Jews in some countries, usually are
> held up as symbols more than anything else... such as Anna Frank in
> the Netherlands.
There were many Anna Franks. Not as many as there should have
been but still a considerable number. When the Russians conquered
Berlin nearly 2000 Jews emerged who had been hidden by German
citizens. If this not trivial number could be hidden under the noses
of Hitler, Himmler and Goebbels imagine how many more survived
in the rest of Germany. (Source: Berlin: The Downfall 1945 -
Anthony Beevor.) It should be taken into account that Berlin was
probably the most resistant city in Germany to Nazism in pre-war
times.
Euro
"Rev. Don Kool" <old...@comcast.net> ??????:3EDAA500...@comcast.net...
It's indeed your absolute right to spread xenophobic remarks on newsgroups
just like many fascists do. Too bad you're not educated enough to follow
other models.
Euro
JIGSAW1695
Date: 6/2/2003 8:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <8629b16bdae90487...@news.meganetnews.com>
Euro
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Euro...Euro...Euro.... take stock of what you are saying.
All those who oppose your opinions are fascists.
All those who agree with you should be used as role models.
Are you sure you and Neville are not related? Are you one and the same? Your
statements are so similar.
Jigsaw
A Planet Visitor
>
>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>??????:n07jdv8qba83cios0...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 31 May 2003 04:00:23 GMT, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>(snipped)
>> >
>> >Besides, most of my criticisms on the US are less obnoxious than finding
>a
>> >fait divers in Germany and concluding that fascism is "alive and well".
>> >
>> There is not much question that fascism is 'alive and well' in all of
>Europe.
>> Just as racism is in the U.S. Denial is the worst form of hypocrisy.
>> There is NO QUESTION in my mind that racism in the U.S. is much
>> greater than in Europe, by and large. While anti-Semitism is much,
>> much stronger in Europe than it can possibly be in the U.S.
>> When we recognize our flaws... we grow stronger in attacking them.
>>
>
>I wonder, PV, how you can associate anti-semitism in Europe to fascism
Easy... I connect anti-Semitism with the latent remains of Nazism, and
I connect those remains with fascism.
>(which historically contained anti-semitism, but wasn't limited to that, or
>maybe, better said, was a very particular kind of anti-semitism backed by a
>State system) and draw such a line between racism in the US and fascism.
>
Exactly which of those phenomenons are you trying to defend? I get
confused with your agenda sometimes because it seems you defend so
many of the things that repulse me. I never intended to draw a line
BETWEEN racism and fascism. The connection is every bit as strong
with racism to fascism... as it is with anti-Semitism to fascism. In
fact the similiarities of racism to anti-Semitism leave little doubt that
connecting any agenda to one, clearly connects it with the other.
I simply separate them for the purpose of explanation, considering
racism in respect to Blacks... and anti-Semitism in respect to the Jews.
>I fear that, by invoking fascism to describe what happens now in some
>European countries, you may result in trivializing fascism - which, for me,
>once again, is a State system that, historically, was anti-semitic in
>Germany, but could, in the future and in another country, be built on
>another hatred.
>
You misunderstand me then... since I would NEVER trivialize the
dangers of fascism. It is certainly a system which leads to almost
certain (or might I even say "certain") corruption of power into an
elite power structure at the top that suffocates all beneath it (IMHO).
>That being said, I draw your attention on the fact that the fait divers
>posted at the origin of this tread had nothing to do with anti-semitism.
>Invoking fascism in this case was openly meant at insulting Germans.
>
Is this another attempt to "shut me up," euro?? My comment was
certainly not meant to at "insulting Germans." I have great respect
for the present day German... still have many friends. Have had
old German friends visit me in both Tennessee and Florida. But
there is no doubt that fascism is still a force in Germany, and thank
God that it is rejected by 99% of Germans. But if one is not
permitted to speak of that 1%, it can only mean it will be permitted
to perhaps flourish. But I will tell you that anti-Semitism is still
alive in Germany, and Europe. When I lived in Germany and
even with those who visited me, who are by no means fascists,
and are certainly liberals in their approach to the social system in
Germany, I realized that there is STILL a sense of subtle "loathing"
toward the Jews, that is expressed in more subdued meaning, than
a clear expression of that subtle feeling. Yet I clearly recognized
it was there. This is the same thing I speak of with U.S. Racism.
The average American will idolize the Black singer, the Black
actor, the Black athlete.... But.... but.... but... let the AVERAGE
Black buy a home next door to a White in a largely White
MIDDLE-CLASS neighborhood, and there is that subtle difference.
That subtle process of ghettoization is still there. The day of protest
that a Black buys such a home is gone... just as the outright
anti-Semitism in Europe is gone. But trust me... there is not
that much joy that this purchase is taking place. Just as the
Jew is STILL not "equal" within Europe. The two situations to
me, having seen both sides of this picture (albeit from a 10
year span of having left Europe), are quite similar in respect to
racism against the Black in the U.S., and anti-Semitism against
the Jew in Europe. As always ... IMHO.
PV
>Euro
Euro
"JIGSAW1695" <jigsa...@aol.com>
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No, you make a confusion here: all those who oppose PV are fascists. If you
read my words carefully, you'll see I didn't say Kool was a fascist - though
he, in the past, didn't hesitate to use this insult, just like PV, without
attracting any indignant comment from you... Double standards once again,
Jigsaw...
Now, maybe all those who continuously express their xenophobia on newsgroups
are as well. I don't know what is behind their agenda. On this point, I bet
you're better informed than I am.
Euro
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
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> On Sun, 01 Jun 2003 09:48:29 GMT, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >That being said, I draw your attention on the fact that the fait divers
> >posted at the origin of this tread had nothing to do with anti-semitism.
> >Invoking fascism in this case was openly meant at insulting Germans.
> >
> Is this another attempt to "shut me up," euro?? My comment was
> certainly not meant to at "insulting Germans."
No, that was just a remark on my side, and it was referring to the first
post sent on this tread - which wasn't sent by you.
Learn how to read.
Euro
Rev. Don Kool
Euro wrote:
> "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@comcast.net>...
>>Euro wrote:
>>>"ikke" <ik...@NOSPAMwho.net>
>>>??????:O_7Ca.1354$vf6....@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>>>"JIGSAW1695" <jigsa...@aol.com> wrote...
[...snip long section euro included without comment...]
>>>What Jigsaw and Kool are doing would be called in German
>> exercising free speech.
> It's indeed your absolute right to spread xenophobic remarks on newsgroups
> just like many fascists do.
You won't find any xenophobia in my postings, my eurotrash young friend.
[...typical murderer lover ad hominem snipped...]
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" wrote:
> >> There is not much question that fascism is 'alive and well' in all of
> >Europe.
> >> Just as racism is in the U.S.
Euro replied:
> >I wonder, PV, how you can associate anti-semitism in Europe to fascism
> >(which historically contained anti-semitism, but wasn't limited to that,
or
> >maybe, better said, was a very particular kind of anti-semitism backed by
a
> >State system) and draw such a line between racism in the US and fascism.
> >
PV answered:
> Exactly which of those phenomenons are you trying to defend? I get
> confused with your agenda sometimes because it seems you defend so
> many of the things that repulse me. I never intended to draw a line
> BETWEEN racism and fascism.
And yet, drawing a line between racism and fascism is exactly what he did
two postings before.
Being consistent the PV way, it's pure art.
Euro
Just passing by
The funny thing is that, paradoxically, PV is, in one respect,
probably the most consistent poster here. Not in terms of his ability
to remember the things he has previously written, and then to ensure
that he remains on the same track - as you have shown there by
exposing just one of his many gaffes - but in respect of his sticking,
rigidly, to the one and only reason he came to this group in the first
place - to conduct a fanatical hate campaign against a certain person
here.
The arguments and flame-wars PV has been involved in against people
like you, myself and many others are nothing more than side-shows to
him. He doesn't really care that much about fighting with us; he
probably doesn't even really hate us. And that is because all of his
hatred is reserved for that one person he is convinced he is on a
divine mission to wage war against. And make no mistake: in everything
PV does in this group, however unconnected it may appear to be to that
single purpose of his, that "mission" is always uppermost in his
thoughts and will always play a part in everything he does.
There are some here who reject this as nonsense, arguing that PV's
flame-war with his chosen arch-enemy is just one of many battles he is
involved in at any given time, and that it should be seen as no more
significant or sinister than any of the others. The most astonishing
example of this failure to see what has clearly been going on for the
last three years was a remark that PV's war against his chosen
arch-enemy was "a recent phenomenon". That is in spite of PV's own
frank admission that his only purpose in joining this group three
years ago was to wage war against that single poster, and the evidence
in the Google archives totally backs up his admission.
I have been told that because I am a relative newcomer here, I am in
no position to comment on events prior to my first posting. That is
utter nonsense; the Google archives are all anyone needs to see for
themselves the clearest possible picture of this group's history, and
it is from those archives that I have seen for myself the evidence of
PV's tunnel-visioned obsession. The memory can play tricks and it
certainly has done with some here who stubbornly refuse to believe
anything about PV beyond their own erroneous recollections about his
history here, even when his own totally open admissions contradict
those recollections.
On only his second day of posting here, more than three years ago, PV
wrote:
"He is a cancer! He is the bubonic plague! He is Satan come in human
form! And he is WRONG...DEAD WRONG. Believe me, this will get ugly and
not end neatly!!"
Since then, everything he has done with regard to this group, even
including becoming a much stronger death penalty supporter just to be
as different as possible to his chosen arch-enemy, whom he was
referring to above, has been part of that mission he predicted would
"get ugly" which it certainly has done.
PV's obsessive vendetta against his chosen arch-enemy is symptomatic
of a very sick and disturbed mind, and simply playing it down, as some
of his "friends" seem to be doing, serves only to further encourage
him and exacerbate his illness, rather than persuading him to seek the
help he certainly needs.
Euro
"Rev. Don Kool" <old...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> You will find xenophobia in my postings everytime
> I suggest some categories of people are "smelly".
>
For instance: "Those smelly French", "smelly, jealous foreigners", just to
mention a few titles of treads you created.
And this without mentionning the complacency towards the KKK that you have
occasionally shown.
Euro
Dolly B.Coughlan Jr
<FRC_Spnak...@noos.fr> writes:
>Subject: Re: Fascism Alive and Well....
>From: French Ribbon Clerk <FRC_Spnak...@noos.fr>
>Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 15:13:21 +0200
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>> >>around 18 EUR - 20 EUR.
>
>> >I'm waiting....Don't try and change the subject. The Dixie Chicks...
>> >I'm waiting... It appears you aren't as "superior" as you have led
>> >everyone to believe.
>
>> My Lord, FW. You really are desperate, aren't you?
>>
>> At first, when this issue cropped up, I seriously thought you were
>> simply spouting your shit as a rather weak but brave troll to go for
>> an easy rise off Desmond.
>>
>> Now that you continue to rant on despite the fact that it is obvious
>> Desmond is not going to bite, I am starting to believe that you
>> actually think this is a 'point scored'.
>>
>> Your impotence against Desmond has evidently reached such an extent
>> that you will pounce on any opportunity, no matter how trivial, to try
>> to convinve yourself that you know something, _anything_ that he does
>> not!
>
>Yes, it's definitely a 'ROTFLMAO!!' moment, isn't it ? Any 'point
>scored' is better than nothing, I suppose, which is why FW was so
>happy a while back, that I hadn't heard of the series 'Married With
>Children', and that I hadn't seen the film, 'Casino'. Poor,
>uneducated, pseudo-intellectual FuckWit ... LOL !!
>
>> As Cerby quite correctly stated in his recent comments regarding you
>> and Jiggy shamefully turning on a child to 'get to' Desmond, look at
>> the depths to which you have sunk.
>
>Can they go any lower ?
>
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>French Ribbon Clerk (FRC)
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Welcome to the Desmond Coughlan archive.
As Desi lies, the archive grows!
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<FRC_Spnak...@noos.fr> writes:
>Subject: Re: Fascism Alive and Well....
>From: French Ribbon Clerk <FRC_Spnak...@noos.fr>
>Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 19:46:41 +0200
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>On 03 Jun 2003 04:14:31 GMT, jigsa...@aol.com (JIGSAW1695) wrote:
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>> Are you sure you and Neville are not related? Are you one and the same?
>Your
>> statements are so similar.
>
>Your pills aren't strong enough, Shit-For-Brains. Anyone who thrashes
>you, is 'obviously' a persona of another poster. What about the two
>or three people who post under the 'jigsa...@aol.com' address,
>Shit-For-Brains ?
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FitzHerbert
> Euro...Euro...Euro.... take stock of what you are saying.
>
> All those who oppose your opinions are fascists.
>
> All those who agree with you should be used as role models.
>
> Are you sure you and Neville are not related? Are you one and the same? Your
> statements are so similar.
Prior to Desmond's comment, this little gem had gone unnoticed by my
good sehn.
Firstly, to the best of my knowledge, Jiggy, I have called just one of
the many posters who I disagree with a 'fascist'. And that poster is
the well-known fascist/Nazi/racist/homophobe/Jew-hater/misogynist/Arab-hater
FuckWit (aka 'A Planet Visitor').
And secondly, I do not use the term 'role models', nor do I recommend
who should be 'role models'.
Happy to have cleared things up for you,
Nev
JIGSAW1695
Date: 6/7/2003 5:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <f85d58f0.0306...@posting.google.com>
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And I appreciate it.
Jigsaw
Euro
"French Ribbon Clerk" <FRC_Spnak...@noos.fr>
??????:sdf3evsmu8a5vm00a...@4ax.com...
Thanks to gravity, they should reach the bottom some day. What will happen
then? Will they rebounce, or will they just be dashed? No one knows, but, as
Raffarin put it, "La route est droite mais la pente est raide".
Euro
A Planet Visitor
>
>"JIGSAW1695" <jigsa...@aol.com>
>??????:20030603001431...@mb-m03.aol.com...
>> Subject: Re: Fascism Alive and Well....
>> From: "Euro" vs...@hotmail.com
>> Date: 6/2/2003 8:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>> Message-id: <8629b16bdae90487...@news.meganetnews.com>
>>
>>
>> "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@comcast.net>
>??????:3EDAA500...@comcast.net...
>> >
>> >
>> > Euro wrote:
>> > > "ikke" <ik...@NOSPAMwho.net>
>> > > ??????:O_7Ca.1354$vf6....@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
<clipped>
>> > > What Jigsaw and Kool are doing would be called in German
>> > > exercising free speech.
>>
>> It's indeed your absolute right to spread xenophobic remarks on newsgroups
>> just like many fascists do. Too bad you're not educated enough to follow
>> other models.
>>
>> Euro
>>
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>> ===============================
>>
>> Euro...Euro...Euro.... take stock of what you are saying.
>>
>> All those who oppose your opinions are fascists.
>
>No, you make a confusion here: all those who oppose PV are fascists.
ROTFLMAO... That's a great one, euro. That makes YOU a fascist, sport!!!
God... your inability to form an articulate and intelligent comment is positively
frightening.
> If you
>read my words carefully, you'll see I didn't say Kool was a fascist - though
>he, in the past, didn't hesitate to use this insult, just like PV, without
>attracting any indignant comment from you... Double standards once again,
>Jigsaw...
>
>Now, maybe all those who continuously express their xenophobia on newsgroups
>are as well. I don't know what is behind their agenda. On this point, I bet
>you're better informed than I am.
Actually, you're the "expert" on xenophobia here, euro. You've even
ADMITTED you ARE xenophobic. Just as you're the "expert" on
"legal murder."
PV
>Euro
A Planet Visitor
Learn not to ask questions if you don't want answers (although I still maintain
the _right_ to respond to any of your inane comments). Since your post
contained the question to me -- "I wonder, PV, how you can associate
anti-semitism in Europe to fascism." Although you seem to be
"question-mark challenged." And one wonders why... since you hardly
EVER clip... you managed to clip out your question, without even
remarking that you HAD clipped it... a bit more of your deception at work?
(that's a question... BTW).
PV
>Euro
A Planet Visitor
Your inability to grasp the English language can be frightening. Two posts
before I connected ANTI-SEMITISM to FASCISM -- with the words -- "fascism
is 'alive and well' in all of Europe," and "anti-Semitism is much, much
stronger in Europe." I never INTENDED (past tense) to draw a line between
RACISM and FASCISM in my PREVIOUS post. I precisely noted that
racism is a greater threat in the U.S. than it is in Europe. You do understand
the difference between racism and anti-Semitism as I see them, and between
the U.S. and Europe... don't you?
If not, let me be a bit more precise: In respect to racism I devote myself
almost exclusively in respect to White racism on Blacks (I well understand
there are other racist forces at work, but I need to address what I believe
is the most destructive element in respect to racism in America). In
respect to anti-Semitism, that is obviously 'hostility to the Jews,'
regardless of whether it comes from the U.S. or from Europe. Sometimes
I never know how much I must dumb-down my comments for you to
understand. But after seeing you struggle through "legal murder," it
seems impossible to dumb-down my comments enough for you to
comprehend.
ONLY AFTER I stated that I never intended to draw a line between
racism and fascism in my PREVIOUS post, did I THEN draw such a line in
my FOLLOWING comment. You are confused as to the direction that the
thread took. But then 'confusion' seems to be your middle name.
PV
>Euro
A Planet Visitor
Another good one, folks... All the way down to the bottom as I spank...
spank...spank... JPB.
Actually, that would be you, sport. Your entire presence here revolves
around making a fool of yourself, in the expectation of deriving some
"credibility" from those who have also made fools of themselves.
If anyone here is obsessed... it is certainly you... having never once
commented on any aspect of anti-racism in your ENTIRE POSTING
HISTORY... and now trying to convince others that it has become such an
overwhelming consideration in your persona here. While it is obvious you
only do so to defend another racist. As you now attempt to _defend_
euro, for his inability to correctly parse the English language. Think
"legal murder."
>The arguments and flame-wars PV has been involved in against people
>like you, myself and many others are nothing more than side-shows to
>him.
Once again... you are simply describing yourself. I have no expectations
here....other than to maintain my self-respect... but you have been so
overwhelmed... so shattered... so destroyed... by my comments, that you
have lost all sense of moral direction. And you will now grasp at any straw,
regardless of how insubstantial, in the hope that they will return the favor,
and you can wallow in the presumption that you have somehow gained
some "credibility" here. How pathetic. Having been caught in so many of
your lies and deceptions... no longer capable of direct confrontation... you
need to rely on trying to find other _friends_, who are as sadly psychotic as
you have become. What a truly doleful persona you project here, JPB!
Hopelessly sad... Hopelessly delusional... Hopelessly pathetic. Wailing a
melancholy refrain to an audience now fully recognizing how wretched you
actually are.
> He doesn't really care that much about fighting with us; he
>probably doesn't even really hate us. And that is because all of his
>hatred is reserved for that one person he is convinced he is on a
>divine mission to wage war against.
Actually, I do not "know" the Nameless One (although one of those
who DOES "know" the Nameless One found it necessary to killfile
him for something PERSONAL rather than something in respect to
AADP. After the Nameless One had been PERSONALLY welcomed
into his home, in fact). All I "know" of him, is the persona he projects
here.. and I have fully admitted that I hate the persona he projects here,
and would find I have placed my self-respect in jeopardy were I not to
rather forcefully provide my opinion regarding the persona he projects
here, A persona I see as destructive to our species... and certainly
with a true racist current running deeply within it. Although to be frank...
even if I saw NO racism within his comments, or persona, I would still
find his persona here to be hateful and disgusting. In fact, I pointed out
20 references to his posts, only one of which relates to racism that
provide evidence of what I say... and you have never addressed even
ONE of them. See those references at the bottom of this post. And if
you address those other 19... I have 20 more in line... and 20 more
after that... and 20 more after that... etc...etc...etc...
As I recall you agree with his racism... and even went so far as to
tell me to ==> move along, PV... get your anti-racism out of AADP..
and leave this group to we racists... direct your anti-racism toward those
groups saturated with racists, and leave the -few racists- here in AADP
in peace, to slobber in their racism at ease from any criticism <==
See --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0303040404.6ec39dbc%40posting.google.com
Your words in that post to the group... hoping they will become your =friends
in a racist alliance= were : "Ask yourself why, if PV really was as anti-racist
as he is trying to look, he would spend his time ranting about it here, in
a death penalty newsgroup where racism is seldom even discussed,
let alone displayed. He would be posting these rants on some newsgroup
used by the KKK or neo-nazis.
Or maybe he would post to a dedicated anti-racist newsgroup - I'm sure
there are many out there."
Two things should be noted in your comment, which rather reveal your true
character --
1)You characterize anti-racist comments as "ranting," and "rants." Ask yourself
who are those who characterize anti-racist comments as "rants"?
2) Notice that you argue I should leave the group to racists such as the Nameless
One, you, and Ol' Racist Nev. And post to other groups instead...Ask yourself
who are those who would hope to divert anti-racist comments away from what
they consider to be their personal space?
Of course, it should also be noted that you have characterized an anti-racist
comment as --
"an act"
"a tactic"
"a trick"
"personal ends" (applied in your filthy sense)
"weed planting"
"bogus"
How very much like a racist to make such comparisons to an anti-racist
comment. How very much like KKK and neo-Nazi comments that you
claim are not part of AADP.
And how very sad that you fail to realize that racism in the U.S. is DIRECTLY
responsible for the elevated violence in the U.S.... which is DIRECTLY
responsible for the elevated murder rate in the U.S.... which is DIRECTLY
responsible for the perception by the members of society that the DP is
necessary for both moral (subjectively) and safety reasons. You see, JPB...
the connection to this group is there.. you are just too blind to see it. Or
conversely... you see it... but wish to be free to express your racism. My
opinion leads me to believe it is the latter.
> And make no mistake: in everything
>PV does in this group, however unconnected it may appear to be to that
>single purpose of his, that "mission" is always uppermost in his
>thoughts and will always play a part in everything he does.
>
For the third time here... you are confusing your "mission" with my
posting here to express an opinion. Looking above, we find that you
called my posting an anti-racism comment as a "personal ends." And
implied that there was something ugly about having such "personal ends."
You finding it was rather disgusting, in your view. Seems like that
kind of a comment could only come from the KKK or a neo-Nazi...
looked in the mirror lately?
One need only look at how you find it disgusting to have anti-racism
as a "personal ends," to recognize that you find anti-racism a disgusting
philosophy. Which explains a lot about how I have _exposed_
your true nature... which is not only to defend a racist... but to express
a bit of racism yourself. Imagine you finding it disgusting to have
"anti-racism" as a "personal ends."
I'm sure you find this strange... with you being a racist and all... but I
find you calling my anti-racist comments one of achieving "personal
ends" to be a true compliment. And I gladly confirm the existence of
such "personal ends" in the expression of my opinion here.
>There are some here who reject this as nonsense, arguing that PV's
>flame-war with his chosen arch-enemy is just one of many battles he is
>involved in at any given time, and that it should be seen as no more
>significant or sinister than any of the others. The most astonishing
>example of this failure to see what has clearly been going on for the
>last three years was a remark that PV's war against his chosen
>arch-enemy was "a recent phenomenon". That is in spite of PV's own
>frank admission that his only purpose in joining this group three
>years ago was to wage war against that single poster, and the evidence
>in the Google archives totally backs up his admission.
Your point being? I fully admit that my first post to this group was in
respect to the totally offensive persona I found in the Nameless One...
an offensive persona I have not seen diminish in one tiny bit in these
three years. However, you certainly cannot argue that I REMAIN here
only because of the Nameless One. The proof of that is to search in
google for the time the Nameless One did not post here. He left the
group on Feb 10, 2001, and did not return until Mar 11, 2002. This
was his "official" absence. Although his return cannot be determined
exactly because he began hiding his posts from archive on his return,
having realized he had been hammered so badly in the past by those
(PV being among them) who recalled the inconsistencies existing in
his past comments. So for just some crude numbers... let's assume
that he left on Feb 10, 2001 (that date is precise), and returned on
Jan 1, 2002. During his ABSENCE... I posted (are you sitting down???)
====== FOUR THOUSAND AND FIFTY POSTS!!!! =======
That represents 10 months and 18 days of posting. Hardly what you
could not call a "busy boy," during the Nameless One's absence.
Now, let's look at the time that he WAS here until he left... from when
I first entered this group, until the day the Nameless One left -- from
Apr 17, 2000 to Feb 10, 2001... A period of nine months and 23
days... and we find that the number of posts I generated were --
TWO THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED! So if anything, my posts
INCREASED when he left. Somewhat less than doubling in a period
only 25 days longer.
Do not lie.. since you will always be caught in such lies... when you
claim that my ONLY reason for posting here is the Nameless One.
Although I would never contend that I am unhappy that he is here...
since we must confront evil when we see it... and it provides me a
measure of satisfaction to look at myself in the mirror and find some
self-respect there, because I have confronted that evil... just as I now
confront you. And I would never argue that I could ever IGNORE him
when he IS here.
When I would perhaps leave this group... would be when I saw
no evil here... which isn't likely... since it seems there are always
replacements waiting in the wings. Ready to run onto the stage, as you
have done... with that melancholy Pagliacci clown costume and whine
to the group how PV is "mistreating you." Looking for other clowns
to chorus that refrain. Just look at how you and Ol' Racist Nev picked
up the slack. I am an admitted reactive poster... having no interest in
pathetic drooling as Earl offers. My proactive posts have been rather
limited. If I had no one to argue with I would quickly lose interest in
this group. Nor do I obsessively _search_ for _friends_ here to find
some silly imaginary thing called "credibility" that seems to consume
you here. In fact... think about it... YOU'RE part of the reason I'm
here!! Shit...you might be the _best friend_ I have here... since you
represent such an easy target... much easier than the Nameless One...
truth be told, You so readily confirm you are both psychotic and a
racist... it gives me a grand opportunity to express anti-racist sentiment
(which is my "personal ends"), without the slightest possibility of
finding an intellectual retort, much less the pseudo-intellectual retort
usually received from the Nameless One, will be forthcoming from you.
You're much easier than the Nameless One. Much easier...
>I have been told that because I am a relative newcomer here, I am in
>no position to comment on events prior to my first posting. That is
>utter nonsense; the Google archives are all anyone needs to see for
>themselves the clearest possible picture of this group's history, and
>it is from those archives that I have seen for myself the evidence of
>PV's tunnel-visioned obsession.
Gee whiz... one wonders where the archive of your _friend_ is?
Once again... it seems you hold to a double-standard. He has even
claimed it is copyright infringement to refer to his past posts. I
confirm that you may use mine at will... they are open to both
copy and reference in all cases.
> The memory can play tricks and it
>certainly has done with some here who stubbornly refuse to believe
>anything about PV beyond their own erroneous recollections about his
>history here, even when his own totally open admissions contradict
>those recollections.
>
>On only his second day of posting here, more than three years ago, PV
>wrote:
>
>"He is a cancer! He is the bubonic plague! He is Satan come in human
>form! And he is WRONG...DEAD WRONG. Believe me, this will get ugly and
>not end neatly!!"
>
An opinion which remains to this day. And it was rather perceptive of me
to have recognized that on only my second day here... since it certainly has
become ugly. But let's look at your own words which presumed my
comments in respect to the Nameless One were a recent phenomenon --
Your words --
"Study some of the background to the battles between PV and Desmond
and you will see that it was Desmond who first - at least in any significant
way - accused PV of being a racist. Prior to that, there were no such rants
from PV about racism - neither that which he is accusing Desmond of
nor general racism in society." See
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0303040404.6ec39dbc%40posting.google.com
And yet... AND YET... on Aug 14, 2000 My post --
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=wB1m5.2704%24Cc2.119579%40newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net
My words -- "Desmond Coughlan is a fundamental racist, using every possible
opportunity to exploit and twist the words of others while exhibiting
the qualities that all easily recognize as bigotry and prejudice"
Now... let us look see if the Nameless One ever referred to me as a "racist" or
even "racism" in respect to me, from my first post -- April 17, 2000, until
I determined that HE WAS a "fundamental racist." And you will find that
he NEVER DID. There are 22 posts from him that use the word racist,
or racism in that period, and almost exclusively and obsessively accuse
Jigsaw of being a racist. During that period he was crudely volcanic (as
usual) in an almost exclusive attack on Jigsaw.... using racist slurs, and
hurling his typical insults. NINETEEN of those 22 posts refer EXCLUSIVELY
to Jigsaw... talk about obsessive!! While other posters voiced disagreement
with the Nameless One USING racism to attack Jigsaw... those such as
Dave Proctor and John Rennie. In fact, on the very day that I called the
Nameless One a "fundamental racist," he posted -- "England is a fundamentally
racist country." See --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=slrn8pg23a.e0e.desmond%40lievre.voute.net
Think England is a "fundamentally racist country," JPB? I don't. And since
I have already demonstrated my "superior perception" from my second day
of posting here, in respect to it was going to get ugly... I believe I know racism
when I see it.
In point of fact, I have observed over and over, that the Nameless One is the
one who presumes to accuse others of racism to hide his own racism.
So, sorry, sport... but him calling ME a racist has ALWAYS been a knee-jerk
reaction from him, in respect to my recognizing that HE was, and still is..
a "fundamental racist." Thus, once again... for the umpteenth time... you have
been proven to be a liar. And you will remain a liar until you either admit your
post was among the most silly one you've ever offered, or provide a URL
which references a post from the Nameless One that refers to ME as a "racist"
from my first post to this group, until I determined that HE was a "fundamental
racist."
Of course, after I determined that the Nameless One was a racist, he actually
became more racist, more irrational, more adept at lying, and more hysterically
reactionary every day (some of it seems to have rubbed off on you as well).
One can only attribute this to the fact that he believed the more racist he
appeared, the less some would believe he was a racist (and you certainly
fell into THAT TRAP of his). Of course, I am still certain that it will not end
neatly. Because I will NEVER accept his entire persona here, irrespective of
his proven racism, and I am certain that he lacks the emotional and intellectual
capacity to change that persona here. Nor do I believe it will end neatly
between you and I either... since I truly see you slipping into some form of
dementia.... in your search for "credibility" here. But you provide a very
effective foil for my "personal ends" of providing my anti-racist opinions.
And for that ... I thank you.
>Since then, everything he has done with regard to this group, even
>including becoming a much stronger death penalty supporter just to be
>as different as possible to his chosen arch-enemy, whom he was
>referring to above, has been part of that mission he predicted would
>"get ugly" which it certainly has done.
Quite true... and you can blame the fact that it has become "more ugly"
on the Nameless One. His decline into irrational insults and racism in
the past six months has been an extraordinary journey into the mind of
a true psychotic. Quite easily capable of forming the meat for a doctoral
thesis in abnormal psychology.
However; you are wrong in respect to my becoming a "much stronger
death penalty supporter," which I find implies that I would hope that we
execute MORE murderers. I have become a more strong believer in the
CONCEPT of the DP in the U.S.... after broadening my view in respect
to the acts murderers commit (after all - isn't the existence of this group
meant to broaden our views on the subject by examining and investigating
other aspects of the subject outside of our commentaries here?) That,
of course, has NOTHING to do with the Nameless One. But I have
not budged an inch from my view that we execute far too many... and
have a flawed Justice System which is rather arbitrary in the selection of
those we do execute. While your "friend" expressed a racist belief that
those who commit racist murders have been subjected to a "miscarriage
of justice." See his alternate Gimmick n° 71 --
== The Sentence of a convicted racist murderer is a miscarriage of Justice ==
url:http://www.google.com/groups?selm=87vh911siw.fsf%40lievre.coughlan.fr
His words in respect to Lawrence Brewer convicted of the racist murder
of James Byrd -- "Another miscarriage of justice in Texas." One can
presume from this comment, that the Nameless One would have preferred
finding him innocent and giving him a parade.
You will never convince me that it is not racist to call a justice system
which has convicted a TRUE racist murderer, a "miscarriage of justice."
>PV's obsessive vendetta against his chosen arch-enemy is symptomatic
>of a very sick and disturbed mind, and simply playing it down, as some
>of his "friends" seem to be doing, serves only to further encourage
>him and exacerbate his illness, rather than persuading him to seek the
>help he certainly needs.
ROTFLMAO... Perhaps you'd care to comment on some of these posts
from your _friend_? --
1) The 35 year-old shithead asks for blowjobs from 16-year-old
children. See -
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=diablo-F5D718.22561113012002%40newsroom.utas.edu.au
2) He suggests that abolitionists torture and kill retentionists. See -
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021024212910.18726.00000056%40mb-fe.aol.com
3) He calls other posters pedophiles. See -
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=b9k3cv0epuqtc2rn6c6pbaeevc715mbpm2%404ax.com
4) He has this great fear of homosexuals, seeing every response to
him containing a homoerotic desire for him.
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=jderavkfg6h6ipganpcem0bos87q152qdc%404ax.com
And six other references in the past two months
5) He insults everyone, using the most vile language possible.
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=h5gfdvgtanvu3h7u3vg1i0ovmdqs6ja8bm%404ax.com
6) He is the only poster that I know of in AADP who has ever been
killfiled because of a PERSONAL reason from another poster. See
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=jwRV9.105%24CX5.77%40newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net
7) His intellectual gaffes are legend here.
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20021122212903.25792.00001869%40mb-fc.aol.com
8) He purposely hides his past words from archive hoping his past blunders
will not be recalled. Any post of his except a slender few that he expressly
wishes to hide
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030508172431.18767.00000439%40mb-m15.aol.com
9) He has expressed paranoia that others are trying to chase him
off of AADP. See -
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=slrn8clfa5.1cl.desmond%40lievre.voute.net
10) He has claimed that a poster is a "retarded, fuckwitted hypocrite,"
if that poster "complains" about murderers being murdered. See --
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20030115212941.27673.00000041%40mb-mv.aol.com
11) He has PRAYED for escaped murderers to make it to Mexico
to avoid the DP.
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=slrn93slmo.63.desmond%40gateway.voute.net
12) He has claimed that released murderers are no more dangerous
than the next person you meet on the street. Which one would YOU
prefer to meet alone on a dark street?
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20020723212929.02191.00000597%40mb-mq.aol.com
13) He has stated that he would prefer the extinction of the human
race before he would accept the execution of one innocent person.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=87wvtkfeg2.fsf%40lievre.coughlan.fr
14) He has some very grave emotional problems, in respect to his low
self-esteem which he tries to hide by extolling his "life" and his "classical
education."
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=h7c3cvgn9r2e2r7h8io8vg39bs2g4krdin%404ax.com
15) He is obsessively pedantic (part of that low self-esteem I imagine).
http://www.chez.com/desmondcoughlan/dp/gimmicks/author.html
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=c5v3bvg2p47ah0e9gh5i7ne3llcdi4hkhu%404ax.com
16) He lies almost every chance he gets.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020917212913.19576.00001262%40mb-fo.aol.com
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=rtfhj-9i3.ln1%40zeouane.org
17) He never admits he is mistaken.
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=h5gfdvgtanvu3h7u3vg1i0ovmdqs6ja8bm%404ax.com
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030519081811.23307.00000113%40mb-m29.aol.com
18) He is certainly a racist.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=oumni-d3q.ln1%40zeouane.org
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030306234136.10901.00001580%40mb-dh.aol.com
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030123212917.01792.00000517%40mb-fi.aol.com
:http://www.google.com/groups?selm=87vh911siw.fsf%40lievre.coughlan.fr
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=v4bvcvocm5hrgal326thni61jgm126idhf%404ax.com
19) He has claimed that murderers are _better_ than retentionists.
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030514100940.04207.00000022%40mb-m01.aol.com
20) He has gotten down on his knees and BEGGED the group to support
him, and insulted them in the same breath if they presumed not to do so. see --
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20030224230644.03943.00001014%40mb-fj.aol.com
PV
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
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I haven't admitted anything, PV, but I just caught you blood-handed twisting
again my words. How many of your opponents did you, in the past, call
fascists, racists, etc...?
As far as I'm concerned, I have voiced my opposition on many xenophobic
posts here, and I find your silence on this question has often been
deafening.
Deafening silence, an expression that, like legal murder, is an oxymoron.
Too bad your ability in English is too limited to understand what it is.
Euro
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
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> On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 12:38:09 GMT, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
> >??????:l57odv8uaf1tf31hq...@4ax.com...
> >> On Sun, 01 Jun 2003 09:48:29 GMT, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >That being said, I draw your attention on the fact that the fait
divers
> >> >posted at the origin of this tread had nothing to do with
anti-semitism.
> >> >Invoking fascism in this case was openly meant at insulting Germans.
> >> >
> >> Is this another attempt to "shut me up," euro?? My comment was
> >> certainly not meant to at "insulting Germans."
> >
> >No, that was just a remark on my side, and it was referring to the first
> >post sent on this tread - which wasn't sent by you.
> >
> >Learn how to read.
> >
> Learn not to ask questions if you don't want answers (although I still
maintain
> the _right_ to respond to any of your inane comments). Since your post
> contained the question to me -- "I wonder, PV, how you can associate
> anti-semitism in Europe to fascism."
Then learn how to answer questions. You actually didn't answer that one.
Euro
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
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Let's recapitulate:
- You wrote "There is not much question that fascism is 'alive and well' in
all of Europe. Just as racism is in the U.S."
- If you meant what you just explicited above, you would have written:
"There is not much question that fascism is 'alive and well'. It corresponds
to anti-semitism in all of Europe, and to racism is in the U.S."
The conclusion is that either your skills at expressing yourself in English
are too poor to make you write sentences in a clear way, or you pathetically
try to show that you didn't contradict yourself between two posts you sent
in less than one week.
Actually, I believe the conclusion is that you contradicted yourself.
Welcome to PV's world, the wonderful world where everything and its contrary
can be true.
Euro
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
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By the way, PV, you'll have to explain me something.
If what Jigsaw wrote is correct, that means Jigsaw wrote you're a fascist.
If what you wrote is correct (i.e., I admit I'm a fascist because I oppose
you), then it means that John Rennie also is a fascist.
Can you clarify all this to me?
Euro
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
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> On 3 Jun 2003 14:48:54 -0700, unimpre...@yahoo.com (Just passing by)
wrote:
>
> Another good one, folks... All the way down to the bottom as I spank...
> spank...spank... JPB.
>
(long verbal diarrhea snipped... as usual, it was liquid, visquous,
inconsistent and very putrid).
The truth is, PV, that you confirmed what JPB wrote: your hysterical
obsessions are a matter for a psychiatrist.
Euro
JIGSAW1695
Message-id: <8dd36dde91c2f248...@news.meganetnews.com>
<< Snipped >>
Deafening silence, an expression that, like legal murder, is an oxymoron.
Too bad your ability in English is too limited to understand what it is.
Euro
===============================
There is no such legal definition as
"legal murder". There is one, however, for "legal homicide"
Jigsaw
Euro
"JIGSAW1695" <jigsa...@aol.com>
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I never meant that "legal murder" was legally defined. It is an oxymoron.
Euro
A Planet Visitor
needy.
PV
> Euro
La de da... From the corner where he lies, whimpering andintellectually
whipped, with his tail tucked between his legs, euro provides not one
word of intellectual content... as usual. Alternating between licking his
balls, sniffing his ass, examining his own excreta, and believing a snarling
insult can substitute for such intellectual content. How typical.
A Planet Visitor
racism in the U.S. is CONNECTED to fascism in Europe, other than
the fact that BOTH are "alive and well." Both BEING "alive and well,"
does not mean they are "connected" (although I find that they are,
but that is NOT what I said in that comment). It is quite similar to
how you REWORDED your "DP and slavery" comment to no longer
"connect" the DP and slavery, but simply to say that you believe
BOTH are "violations of human rights." I was saying that BOTH "fascism
in Europe," and "racism in the U.S." are "alive and well," which in no
way means that I was saying in that comment that fascism is
CONNECTED to racism.
> - If you meant what you just explicited above, you would have written:
> "There is not much question that fascism is 'alive and well'. It corresponds
> to anti-semitism in all of Europe, and to racism is in the U.S."
>
ROTFLMAO. My words were quite clear, and in no way implied anything
other than "Fascism is alive and well in Europe," and "Racism is
alive and well in the U.S." You cannot possibly parse anything other than
that from my words. I will certainly argue that those two points are true,
and I will certainly agree that "racism" has a connection to "fascism."
But my point is that I DID NOT SAY THAT in my original statement.
The words you quote... which are accurate, do NOT mean that 'fascism
is the same as racism." You are the one trying to "twist my words."
Having been nailed to the wall so often in the past with your own words.
> The conclusion is that either your skills at expressing yourself in English
> are too poor to make you write sentences in a clear way, or you pathetically
> try to show that you didn't contradict yourself between two posts you sent
> in less than one week.
There is absolutely no contradiction in my words.
> Actually, I believe the conclusion is that you contradicted yourself.
> Welcome to PV's world, the wonderful world where everything and its contrary
> can be true.
>
LOL... Think "simplistic." Think "legal murder." Think "zoophile."
Think "opposition to the DP is JUST LIKE opposition to slavery."
A Planet Visitor
YOUR society... which makes you xenophobic. And I see a lot of
penis envy behind that xenophobia.
While I have often admitted that my society has many flaws... among which
racism is one of its most destructive. Racism which contributes an
unspeakable elevation to the violence in my country and the high murder
rate. While you tried to divert from the truth that anti-Semitism is quite
strong in Europe.
> Deafening silence, an expression that, like legal murder, is an oxymoron.
> Too bad your ability in English is too limited to understand what it is.
>
So you now return to claiming that "legal murder" is an oxymoron.
Very good... you now admit that your words are NONSENSE. Having
no ACTUAL meaning in TRUTH or REALITY... simply a play on words
to demonstrate how stupid you are. Fine... I can accept that.
You know, euro, people usually don't pose an oxymoron on PURPOSE...
they usually do so and others point out how STUPID they are for
doing so. Thus my reason for remarking that you are stupid. You've
said "executions are legal murders." And you now admit that executions
are ACTUALLY no such thing... and you simply INVENTED an
oxymoron to demonstrate your stupidity. You now admit there IS
NO SUCH THING as "legal murder." You now admit that "executions"
are NOT "legal murders," since there is no such thing as a "legal
murder." As I said... fine... I can accept that.... stupid.
PV
> Euro
>
>
A Planet Visitor
that you call all those who oppose your opinion, fascists. You then
'clarified' that by remarking that "all those who oppose PV are fascists."
Since YOU certainly "oppose PV" you have accused YOURSELF of
being a fascist.
> If what you wrote is correct (i.e., I admit I'm a fascist because I oppose
> you), then it means that John Rennie also is a fascist.
>
> Can you clarify all this to me?
>
Might I suggest looking at
http://www.kidsreads.com/
After spending some time ordering and reading at that level, perhaps when
I return I might be able to dumb-down my comments sufficiently for you
to comprehend.
For the time being... follow along now, and have your parents explain this
to you. YOU have called YOURSELF a fascist..."I" do not call everyone
who opposes me a fascist. Repeating again... YOU have called YOURSELF
a fascist. You have claimed that everyone who opposes me is a fascist.
I have not made such a claim. I simply NOTED that YOU had called
YOURSELF a fascist.
A Planet Visitor
IS NO SUCH THING as "legal murder." Thus your statements that
"executions are legal murders" were just so much gibberish. As the
Nameless One said... you might as well have said "executions are
blue cars," and you would have conveyed as much meaningful information.
Or as you now admit, you might as well have said "grunt...grunt...grunt..."
and also conveyed as much meaningful information.
PV
> Euro
>
>
A Planet Visitor
similar roots? You see them as two distinct entities? Before I can begin
to explain the connection to you... I need to be sure you are not already
aware of the connection... because it seems unbelievable to me that
even someone as immature as you, could possibly find them to be
unconnected. If that is actually true... before we begin you might
simply do a search in google on "fascism" and "anti-Semitism," to
gain a kindergarten knowledge of the connection.
PV
> Euro
>
>
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
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(useless attempt to hide PV's inconsistence)
Oops... Nothing left, but nothing was right anyway. Welcome to PV's world,
the beautiful world in which everything can be true and vice versa, and in
which eventually PV's opponents are always called names. Welcome to the
world of vulgarity, by PV.
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"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
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As I wrote earlier, anti-semitism and fasism aren't alike. They may have the
same roots of hatred against anyone different, but they are distinct
phenomena. Anti-semitism isn't necessarily fascism and fascism isn't
necessarily anti-semitism. An anti-semit isn't necessarily a fascist
(Poland, in the 60s, was a quite anti-semitic regime, and yet it was
communist, as far as I remember), and a fascist isn't necessarily
anti-semit - his xenophobia can have other targets than the Jews.
This is why I find it very questionable to (deliberately or not) confuse
both. It results (in my view) inevitably in travializing fascism and doesn't
necessarily help the cause of those who denounce anti-semitism.
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"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
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> "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > "JIGSAW1695" <jigsa...@aol.com>
> > ??????:20030614025407...@mb-m04.aol.com...
> > > Subject: Re: Fascism Alive and Well....
> > > From: "Euro" vs...@hotmail.com
> > > Date: 6/14/2003 1:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time
> > > Message-id: <8dd36dde91c2f248...@news.meganetnews.com>
> > >
> > >
> > > << Snipped >>
> > >
> > > Deafening silence, an expression that, like legal murder, is an
oxymoron.
> > > Too bad your ability in English is too limited to understand what it
is.
> > >
> > > Euro
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> > >
> > > There is no such legal definition as
> > > "legal murder". There is one, however, for "legal homicide"
> >
> > I never meant that "legal murder" was legally defined. It is an
oxymoron.
> >
> An admission that your original comment was nonsense, and that there
> IS NO SUCH THING as "legal murder."
Not at all. I said executions are legal murders, and I maintain this view.
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"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
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LOL!!! PV, when you begin considering criticizing some highly criticizable
facts that occur in your country, or under the aegis of your country, like
what happens in Guantanamo, we shall talk about it again.
I haven't heard many of your posts criticizing those who, on this group,
called the French "stingy cheese-eating surrender monkeys", a qualificative
that, obviously, is xenophobic.
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(remaining diarrhea snipped: PV is obviously very annoyed not to be able to
find any post of me to support the fascist label he tries to put on me...).
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"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
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Provide just one URL in which I called someone a fascist because he opposed
my views.
I'm waiting. But be sure I have a few URLs in hand in which you call those
who oppose your views fascists.
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keith luscombe
thats murder.You can intellectualise all you want PV, it changes nothing,an
innocent man,that forfeits his life,due to a justice system that caters to
the rich and persecutes the poor is worse than just plain murder,its going
in the direction of genocide!All the years ive read your posts ive never
been realy able to aquaint the fact that somone like you actual supports and
encourages such a system.When your arguing the side of the pro death
debate,have you never just for a game tried to argue the other side of the
coin?PV you can not justify the legalisation of executing,women.children,and
mentaly defective people! no matter hell well you put your case,no matter
how fancy and expressive you put your case,at the end of the day PV im sure
you know that all forms of death that is perpetrated by man, is legaly and
moraly wrong.A mation that should be leading the rest of the worlsd in such
issues is condoning something that should not even been encouraged in the
14th century.I know you`ll be able to mince me with your clever reply`s but
it changes nowt,its WRONG!
Keith
A Planet Visitor
Actually there is nothing left because you deceptively clipped it all,
in your inability to actually address an issue, which has been demonstrated
over and over -- so here it is again -
Quite right. And neither of those two separate sentences imply that
racism in the U.S. is CONNECTED to fascism in Europe, other than
the fact that BOTH are "alive and well." Both BEING "alive and well,"
does not mean they are "connected" (although I find that they are,
but that is NOT what I said in that comment). It is quite similar to
how you REWORDED your "DP and slavery" comment to no longer
"connect" the DP and slavery, but simply to say that you believe
BOTH are "violations of human rights." I was saying that BOTH "fascism
in Europe," and "racism in the U.S." are "alive and well," which in no
way means that I was saying in that comment that fascism is
CONNECTED to racism.
My words were quite clear, and in no way implied anything other than
"Fascism is alive and well in Europe," and "Racism is alive and well in
the U.S." You cannot possibly parse anything other than that from
my words. I will certainly argue that those two points are true,
and I will certainly agree that "racism" has a connection to "fascism."
But my point is that I DID NOT SAY THAT in my original statement.
The words you quote... which are accurate, do NOT mean that 'fascism
is the same as racism." You are the one trying to "twist my words."
Having been nailed to the wall so often in the past with your own words.
There is absolutely no contradiction in my words.
LOL... Think "simplistic." Think "legal murder." Think "zoophile."
Think "opposition to the DP is JUST LIKE opposition to slavery."
Think of how stupid you have demonstrated that you are... OVER
and OVER and OVER.
A Planet Visitor
Unfortunately, you speak of it... and cannot even spell it. Thus,
you can write it a thousand times and you will never be correct.
Of course they are not EXACTLY the same phenomena, or they
would only have ONE name. But the similarities are certainly
more evident than the differences. To deny such a connection
is to admit that one is EITHER a fascist or an anti-Semite,
attempting to hide from that very real connection. Do a search
of "anti-Semitism" AND "fascism" in google, and you will find
38, 600 links to URL's that discuss BOTH anti-Semitism and
fascism in the SAME context. While "racism" and "fascism"
provide 53,200 links.
> Anti-semitism isn't necessarily fascism and fascism isn't
> necessarily anti-semitism.
And "legal murder" isn't "legal" or "murder." You are presuming
that they do not have similiarities.... and that is DENIAL.
> An anti-semit isn't necessarily a fascist
Of course not... I never said that NECESSARILY such was the
case. But to DENY an association is stupid.
> (Poland, in the 60s, was a quite anti-semitic regime, and yet it was
> communist, as far as I remember), and a fascist isn't necessarily
> anti-semit - his xenophobia can have other targets than the Jews.
Quite true... I have pointed out that racism has fascist tentacles
as well. But the three -- fascism... racism... anti-Semitism are
obviously not EXACTLY the same... nor did I say they were.
> This is why I find it very questionable to (deliberately or not) confuse
> both. It results (in my view) inevitably in travializing fascism and doesn't
> necessarily help the cause of those who denounce anti-semitism.
>
I believe you are the only intending to confuse... by presuming that
there is no connection to both racism and anti-Semitism in Fascism.
Are you a fascist?
PV
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A Planet Visitor
smart. Since you've ADMITTED that it represents an oxymoron, which
by definition is a STUPID construction containing no REAL information.
You certainly have admitted that there is NO SUCH THING as "legal
murders," in your very violent claims that you do not actually MEAN
"legal murder." All in all... it's simply now your admission that you're
just "blowing smoke," and do not actually intend to provide any
INTELLIGENT content... but simply nonsense in the form of what
you call an oxymoron... and then alternate by calling it something
else. Take a hint from the Nameless One... call it a "blue car,"
and just say = executions are blue cars = which will provide as
much intelligent meaning as what you have said. Or as I said...
just say = grunt...grunt...grunt...= and you'll be saying the same
thing. Just as when you said = grunt...grunt...grunt... = when you
argued that the U.N. was involved in == saving murderers from
execution.==
PV
> Euro
>
>
A Planet Visitor
wrote "all those who oppose PV are fascists." Or do you now claim you
DO NOT oppose me?
Other than that... you'll need to take Jigsaw's comment up with Jigsaw.
I concerned myself only with YOUR ADMISSION that "all those who
oppose PV are fascists." And I presume you "oppose PV."
> I'm waiting. But be sure I have a few URLs in hand in which you call those
> who oppose your views fascists.
>
LOL... You'll not find one from me that ADMITS THAT I'M A FASCIST.
As you've done here.
PV
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>
FitzHerbert
<snip>
> I'M A FASCIST.
So what's new, FuckWit?
> PV
Hope this helps,
Neville
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"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
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Yes, there is. But that's your concern, not mine. You're not saying what you
mean, even in your own native language. What can we do about this?
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"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
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Easy, PV. You write as if you never made any spelling error, which is far
from being your case.
> Of course they are not EXACTLY the same phenomena, or they
> would only have ONE name.
Not necessarily. Many things in English can be called both different names
with the same meaning.
> But the similarities are certainly
> more evident than the differences. To deny such a connection
> is to admit that one is EITHER a fascist or an anti-Semite,
> attempting to hide from that very real connection. Do a search
> of "anti-Semitism" AND "fascism" in google, and you will find
> 38, 600 links to URL's that discuss BOTH anti-Semitism and
> fascism in the SAME context. While "racism" and "fascism"
> provide 53,200 links.
>
> > Anti-semitism isn't necessarily fascism and fascism isn't
> > necessarily anti-semitism.
>
> And "legal murder" isn't "legal" or "murder." You are presuming
> that they do not have similiarities.... and that is DENIAL.
"Legal murder" is both legal and murder, in the sense that it s a
premeditated homicied conducted with malice and aforethought.
> > An anti-semit isn't necessarily a fascist
>
> Of course not... I never said that NECESSARILY such was the
> case. But to DENY an association is stupid.
And I never denied any link between both. That being said, making a
confusion is a nonsense. You are obviously wrong when you affirm that
"fascism is alive and well" in Europe. That helps trivializing what happened
in the 40s in Europe, and doesn't help describe accurately what happens now.
As far as I know, there are no gas chambers in Europe now. There are racist
individual acts, but calling that fascism is exaggerated.
> > (Poland, in the 60s, was a quite anti-semitic regime, and yet it was
> > communist, as far as I remember), and a fascist isn't necessarily
> > anti-semit - his xenophobia can have other targets than the Jews.
>
> Quite true... I have pointed out that racism has fascist tentacles
> as well. But the three -- fascism... racism... anti-Semitism are
> obviously not EXACTLY the same... nor did I say they were.
This is why it is wrong to affirm that fascism is nowadays alive and well in
Europe, as you did.
(remaining PV's stupid question snipped)
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"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
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PV, you're really incredibly stupid... The expression "legal murder" is an
oxymoron, but, as all expressions, it communicates an opinion that I
maintain, and that, in my view, contains a real information.
I realize that many others do have this opinion as well. You may not like
it, that's your right. But we're not supposed to please you.
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"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
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If it were true, it would mean that Jigsaw called you a fascist when he
wrote to me "all those who oppose your views are fascists". And if my words
have the meaning you try to give them, it would also mean that John Rennie,
who opposes your views, is a fascist.
Is it really what you mean?
Now, I agree that your reasoning largely consists in twisting others' views
to make them say what your fantasies wish they had said. I'm not playing
that dirty game, PV. You're disgusting.
> > I'm waiting. But be sure I have a few URLs in hand in which you call
those
> > who oppose your views fascists.
> >
> LOL... You'll not find one from me that ADMITS THAT I'M A FASCIST.
> As you've done here.
????????? PV is crazy and burned again too many neurones.
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danh
[...]
> "Legal murder" is both legal and murder, in the sense that it s a
> premeditated homicied conducted with malice and aforethought.
Perhaps a quick glance at a dictionary would help you with your English. By
definition, murder is the _illegal_ killing of another, so while execution
is homicide, it is not murder since it (at least in the U.S.) has been
sanctioned by long standing bodies of legitimate origin.
Further, while there are certainly those who view executions with glee, the
actual homicide has no component of malice in it. To equate an execution
which has been adjudicated by a jury and reviewed a dozen times or more by
learned legal minds with murder for fun or profit by an individual is
foolishness. Doing so merely diminishes any good argument you might have to
drivel not worth the time to listen to.
[...]
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"danh" <da...@lexisnexis.com>
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There is something called a *modifier*. A modifier is a word, phrase, or
clause that limits or qualifies the sense of another word or word group. I
will give three simple examples on modifiers and their usage.
Example 1. "Toy gun." "Toy" is a very typical modifier.
A gun is "A weapon consisting of a metal tube from which a projectile is
fired at high velocity into a relatively flat trajectory."
The modifier replaces some of the characteristics of a gun with others (does
not fire projectiles and is meant for kids to play with, while the look of a
gun is retained.)
Example 2. "Vegetarian hamburger." In this case it is quite obvious how the
modifier changes the definition.
Hamburger = "A sandwich made with a patty of ground meat usually in a roll
or bun."
A vegetarian hamburger is then naturally
"A sandwich made with a meat-free patty usually in a roll or bun".
It is *not*, in analogy with PV's attempts:
"A vegetarian sandwich made with a patty of ground meat usually in a roll or
bun."
Example 3. "Legal murder." Accepting the definition commonly given for
"murder",
Murder = "The unlawful killing of a human being with malice aforethought."
and then of course
Legal murder = "The legal killing of a human being with malice
aforethought."
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Dolly B.Coughlan Jr
<The_State_...@mail.com> writes:
>Subject: Re: Fascism Alive and Well....
>From: The_State_Prosecutor <The_State_...@mail.com>
>Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:57:29 +0200
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>On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 09:34:15 -0400, "danh" <da...@lexisnexis.com>
>wrote:
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>> > "Legal murder" is both legal and murder, in the sense that it s a
>> > premeditated homicied conducted with malice and aforethought.
>
>> Perhaps a quick glance at a dictionary would help you with your English.
>By
>> definition, murder is the _illegal_ killing of another, so while execution
>> is homicide, it is not murder since it (at least in the U.S.) has been
>> sanctioned by long standing bodies of legitimate origin.
>>
>> Further, while there are certainly those who view executions with glee, the
>> actual homicide has no component of malice in it. To equate an execution
>> which has been adjudicated by a jury and reviewed a dozen times or more by
>> learned legal minds with murder for fun or profit by an individual is
>> foolishness. Doing so merely diminishes any good argument you might have
>to
>> drivel not worth the time to listen to.
>
>Sorry Dan, but you're wrong. Murder can be legal, based on a moral
>standpoint which necessitates _mens rea_ being present in the act, and
>of the killing being with 'malice aforethought'.
>
>As for your malice argument, I have to say 'crap', as it is impossible
>to put someone to death intentionally, without malice being present in
>the act.
>
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