Re: The aftermath of my recent car vs. bike hit and run.

[Deacon Patrick]

Wow. How did you fair? I'd work through Riv. myself and simply follow their recommendations, but then I've never dealt with that issue.

With abandon,

Patrick

On Thursday, March 26, 2015 at 7:59:27 AM UTC-6, David Spranger wrote:

Anyone have someone (east coast) qualifies to replace bent seat stays? Worth sending back to RBW to let them handle the repairs? This is the bike I consider most likely to carry me through the rest of my life. I am not yet ready to give up on it.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/73873271@N03/16909618466/

David

Charlotte, NC

[Kieran J]

Jeez David! Hope you're OK. The perp did some good damage to your ride - hopefully you walked away relatively unscathed.

KJ

[Patrick Moore]

Did you escape injury?

Certainly, file a police report -- not only for your own benefit, but as a civic duty. Also -- I used to sell insurance -- inform your own auto insurance company and agent. UIM should cover your losses if you can't find the OP's insurance information.

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 7:59 AM, David Spranger <daspr...@gmail.com> wrote:

Anyone have someone (east coast) qualifies to replace bent seat stays? Worth sending back to RBW to let them handle the repairs? This is the bike I consider most likely to carry me through the rest of my life. I am not yet ready to give up on it.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/73873271@N03/16909618466/

David

Charlotte, NC

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[David Spranger]

 I did not excape injury. I am on day 6 of hospital stay. Broken legs, hips, spinal fractures, broken clavicle. So much outpouring of support, and I will be home tomorrow. 

[dougP]

I'd send it back to Rivendell.  Likely they would check over the entire frame for hidden damage, alignment, ???. 

Hope you survived with a minimum of trauma.  That must have been un-nerving, to say the least.

dougP

[Shoji Takahashi]

David,

I'm so sorry to hear this. I wish you a speedy recovery, and glad you will be home soon.

Shoji

[Patrick Moore]

Damn! I hope your recover is swift and complete, and that the cops find and jail the son of a bitch. Good luck!

[Garth]

  I've been happy with work done by Jack Trumbull , the one man operation called Franklin Frames for both repair and a custom in Ohio .  It's best to call him really as he's a wealth of knowledge, he's been making frames and repairing/aligning them for some 35+ years :)

http://www.franklinframe.com/ 
   I would not be concerned at all about sending it to Riv at all, as they would only send it to whomever they contract such work with .  My Bombadil was quite messed up and Jack fixed it up and painted it as good as new :) He has a digital alignment table that is well of course, super accurate .

[Deacon Patrick]

Oh, wow! Heal well and quickly. You'll be in my prayers. May God startle you with joy despite being in the hospital! Grin.

With abandon,

Patrick

[islaysteve]

So sorry to hear about your terrible accident and wish you a full and speedy recovery! In addition to those already recommended, there is a shop/ custom builder in NC; The Bicycle Shop. I have only visited their websites (the builders name is Jack Kane and there is link to his site.) but it might be worth contacting them.
Regards, Steve

[cyclotourist]

Sounds like took some damage yourself, David :-( I hope you are able to recover quickly, both mentally and physically, from this trauma. Just awful to read...

I'd go straight to Mark Nobilette: http://www.coloradoframebuilders.com/nobilette/

But if you want to stay on the east coast, can't go wrong w/ Bilenky as mentioned.

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Garth <gart...@gmail.com> wrote:

  I've been happy with work done by Jack Trumbull , the one man operation called Franklin Frames for both repair and a custom in Ohio .  It's best to call him really as he's a wealth of knowledge, he's been making frames and repairing/aligning them for some 35+ years :)

http://www.franklinframe.com/ 

   I would not be concerned at all about sending it to Riv at all.  My Bombadil was quite messed up and he fixed it up and painted it as good as new :) He has a digital alignment table that is well of course, super accurate .

Riv is not a frame building/repair shop btw, they would give it to whomever they contract with to do such work.

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First, wishes for a speedy and complete recovery for you, David, and the SimpleOne , too.

 

Second, I too hope the driver is caught and held responsible for his arrogance and cowardice.  It is hard to be forgiving of the car in bike vs. car accidents, but possible, at least in some cases.  When the car and driver run away, zero tolerance. 

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[Cyclofiend Jim]

Oh. My.  

David, first of all I am glad you are still with us.  If you have the energy to do so, try to get the word out to local papers, tv, media.  Hopefully, someone saw something.  Heal quickly and all good thoughts your way.  

Secondly, it's amazing how little apparent damage occurred to the frame. Seat stays bent at the thinnest place, and a destroyed wheel, but seemingly little else.  A good framebuilder (RBW may just direct you to someone nearby - call 'em when you are able) (and after the local media gets similar images to use) will look at alignment of the frame as well as checking for stresses near the lugs.

Be well and best wishes,

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[Mark Reimer]

Oh man, that sounds so awful, so sorry to hear that David. I've been hit twice this month on my Atlantis, but thankfully have escaped injury and damage both times. Must have had a guardian angel riding behind me or something. I'm sorry to hear you're so banged up, get well soon!

I second the Mark Nobilette comment. He did (does?) Riv customs for years and I've handled a few of his own frames recently, truly beautiful work. 

[Minh]

Yikes!  Threads like this freak me out, i've been off the bike most of the winter (training for something else), and i'm a little worried about my on-bike awareness on the road.  The fact that more experienced people then me are at risk only scares me more!  

Heal fast, and know that the bike can be repaired or replaced but your health is many orders of magnitude more important, so take care of that first.  The bike will be there and even though it's discontinued there are enough SimpleOnes and QBs around that you can find a replacement if need be, so don't fret over that. 

[iamkeith]

Sorry to hear this, David.  Best wishes with your recovery.  Wish I could say or offer more.  I'm glad to hear you still have fighting spirit and won't let this keep you off your horse - evidenced by the fact that you're already trying to figure out how to fix the bike.   That's a great sign!

[WETH]

Oh David, so sorry to learn of your accident. Best wishes for a speedy recovery!

[Eunice Chang]

Like everyone else, I am sorry to hear this, especially since I live in the same state. *sigh*

Hope your and your bike's recovery is as painless as possible. 

-E.

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 12:14 PM, WETH <erlho...@gmail.com> wrote:

Oh David, so sorry to learn of your accident.  Best wishes for a speedy recovery!

[Matt B.]

What everyone else said-    get well soon.     You seem to be bouncing right back mentally, with looking into getting the S.O. fixed right away.   In light of that I think it's a great idea to get that bike fixed soon.  It may help your spirit to see it back in shape as you heal too.

[Lynne Fitz]

I will speak from actual experience, although the driver stopped. My Bleriot was crunched: http://lynnerides.blogspot.com/2013/01/well-this-year-started-off-with-bang.html

A framebuilder friend of mine said it was repairable. I'd have sent it to him, but his lead time was pretty long. I called Rivendell, to see what they thought. They sent me off to Steve Rex, sold me a new fork, sent the new decals to Steve, and eventually I got to pick a new frame color. I am on the West Coast.

And here it is, better than new: https://www.flickr.com/photos/lynnefitz/sets/72157634204220895/

Bilenky did the original installation of the couplers, back in 2007; I'd recommend them as well.

I hope you mend quickly and without complications.

[Lynne Fitz]

Forgot to say - the repaired Bleriot is entirely new tubing from the S&S couplers forward.

[Leslie]

On Thursday, March 26, 2015 at 9:59:27 AM UTC-4, David Spranger wrote:

Anyone have someone (east coast) qualifies to replace bent seat stays? Worth sending back to RBW to let them handle the repairs? This is the bike I consider most likely to carry me through the rest of my life. I am not yet ready to give up on it.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/73873271@N03/16909618466/

Saw this over on FB;   wow, glad you're still with us.   Will keep you in my thoughts. 
Heal well! 



Nobilette (in CO), Bilenky (PA);  does Waterford (WI) do repairs??

 

[Philip Williamson]

Wow. May you recover speedily and totally!

Philip
www.biketinker.com

[Steven Sweedler]

On Thursday, March 26, 2015, David Spranger <daspr...@gmail.com> wrote:

Anyone have someone (east coast) qualifies to replace bent seat stays? Worth sending back to RBW to let them handle the repairs? This is the bike I consider most likely to carry me through the rest of my life. I am not yet ready to give up on it.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/73873271@N03/16909618466/

David

Charlotte, NC

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[Curtis McKenzie]

Heal well.  Hope you are get back on the bicycle as soon as you can.

Curtis

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[David Hays]

David,

Wishing you a speedy return to health and your bike.

David

Kenmore, New York

On Thursday, March 26, 2015 at 9:59:27 AM UTC-4, David Spranger wrote:

Anyone have someone (east coast) qualifies to replace bent seat stays? Worth sending back to RBW to let them handle the repairs? This is the bike I consider most likely to carry me through the rest of my life. I am not yet ready to give up on it.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/73873271@N03/16909618466/

David

Charlotte, NC

[Kellie]

Wishing you a speedy recovery.

[murphyjrfk]

David,

I have no recommendation of repairing. And I'm sure that all of the above mentioned can handle it perfectly.

Just writing to say-glad you are ok and wish you a speedy and happy recovery. Bikes are much easier to rebuild than bodies. Take your time and I'm sure you will be in all our thoughts!

Best of luck.

[Wayne Naha]

David,

My best wishes for your recovery, and that of your bicycle.  Bicycles can be fixed, but humans must be healed.  Speedy healing!

[hangtownmatt]

David,

I notice you did not list any head injuries.   Were you wearing a helmet?    Any advice in that department you would be willing to share?

Your injuries sound serious.  I wish you the best and pray you heal quickly.  I'm glad to hear you have lots of support.

Sincerely,

Matt

On Thursday, March 26, 2015 at 7:38:02 AM UTC-7, David Spranger wrote:

 I did not excape injury. I am on day 6 of hospital stay. Broken legs, hips, spinal fractures, broken clavicle. So much outpouring of support, and I will be home tomorrow. 

On Thursday, March 26, 2015 at 10:28:08 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

Did you escape injury?

Certainly, file a police report -- not only for your own benefit, but as a civic duty. Also -- I used to sell insurance -- inform your own auto insurance company and agent. UIM should cover your losses if you can't find the OP's insurance information.

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 7:59 AM, David Spranger <daspr...@gmail.com> wrote:

Anyone have someone (east coast) qualifies to replace bent seat stays? Worth sending back to RBW to let them handle the repairs? This is the bike I consider most likely to carry me through the rest of my life. I am not yet ready to give up on it.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/73873271@N03/16909618466/

David

Charlotte, NC

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[Kainalu]

Yikes! Get better than ever, fast. That's a brutal bend for both you and your lovely bike. Bilinky is certainly capable, but nobody's mentioned the skilled hands and torch of Johnny at johnnycoast.com
He's in Brooklyn and worth traveling for.
-Kai

[David Spranger]

Being involved in a disabling auto crash gives you so much appreciation for all the family and friends in your life. If it was not for the pain and injury, I would highly recommend it to all! I have been permanently touched, in a good way, by all the wonderful support and well-wishes of all my virtual RBW friends. You have no idea how much your outpouring has helped me in the last few days. 

[Evan E.]

David! Heal well. We'll all be thinking of you.

Evan E.

[Mojo]

David,

We are sending prayers and positive thoughts for your complete recovery.

Joe Ramey & family in western Colorado

[Andrew Marchant-Shapiro]

I'm glad you're mostly intact.  If you recall the details of the hit and run, I would be interested in hearing them.  I have been hit several times, but never H&R'd.

Take it easy with the recovery.  I had a hip replaced a few years ago due an incident, and it took me significantly longer to get full recovery than was typical for scheduled hip replacement surgery.  I don't know if that's common, due to the trauma, or what, but it was my experience (I was fortunate in that it was a relatively low-speed event, and the rest of the damage was confined to my ankle and elbow.).

Please, do well and read lots of amusing things.  Let us know where you're located and where your tastes in literature lie--I (for one) may be able to forward a book or two!

On Friday, March 27, 2015 at 5:14:56 AM UTC-4, David Spranger wrote:

I was not wearing a helmet. I only rarely use helmets. Please, no debate here. I did receive head injury that resulted in brain swelling that required an operation to relieve the pressure. I did not know this earlier this week. I have been mostly out of it and am only now coming up to full speed, mentally, again. My injuries are serious, but I expect a full recovery from all of them. It will just take time.

[Paul]

David, adding my well wishes and prayers for a complete recovery. 

It's sounding pretty positive for that happening from what you shared.

I hope your pain during recovery is minimal.

I expect most if us think about something like this could happen to us.

Riding defensively is on my mind a lot as I am sure on all you folks minds as well.

Even with that mindset the inattentive, distracted or impaired driver's are out there and sometimes even all our precautions do not prevent something like this from happening. 

I also hope this person is discovered and held accountable for what they have done. 

God bless and enable you to heal quickly. 

Paul in Dallas

[René Sterental]

Hope you recover quickly and are back riding again soon. Glad to see you have the positive attitude to be planning how to also restore your bike so it's ready when you are.

René 

[Jim Bronson]

The important thing is that you survived, there's always time for debate later.

On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 4:14 AM, David Spranger <daspr...@gmail.com> wrote:

I was not wearing a helmet. I only rarely use helmets. Please, no debate here. I did receive head injury that resulted in brain swelling that required an operation to relieve the pressure. I did not know this earlier this week. I have been mostly out of it and am only now coming up to full speed, mentally, again. My injuries are serious, but I expect a full recovery from all of them. It will just take time.

On Thursday, March 26, 2015 at 10:09:08 PM UTC-4, hangtownmatt wrote:

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[Jim Bronson]

I got H&R'd in the CAR and I followed the person to their place of residence.  When I called 911 the police asked if anyone was injured and I said NO, they then proceeded to tell me that all units in my sector were deployed on higher priority calls.

No accountability for traffic safety in this country AT ALL.

[Bob E]

Sorry to hear this, and wish you a quick and full recovery! Don't worry about the bike (at least not now).

Bob E

[Pondero]

David, thank you for your positive outlook in such a crummy circumstance.  You have encouraged me by your "get-the-bike-fixed-and-hurry-up-and-get-back-on-the-horse" attitude.  I pray you heal quickly, and carry those positive things that have  come your way with you for a long, long time.

Chris Johnson

Sanger, Texas

[David Spranger]

I was riding to work early on last Friday morning. My usual route. Nothing unusual at all precipitating the event. I have no memory of the event itself. What I know I have pieced together from eyewitness reports and police reports.

I was traveling around ten mph up a hill on a arterial road that is labeled at 35mph. A Ford Winstar came up behind me moving higher than 55 mph. Though there was a clear lane he could have moved into, he instead plowed through me as if I was not there. Eyewitnesses state he carried my body on his hood and partially embedded in his windshield approximately 90 feet before coming to a stop and allowing my body to fall off his vehicle. This was directly in front of a very busy city bus stop with eyewitnesses that are used to seeing me every day pass this bus stop on my bicycle. He then changed lanes to not run me directly over as he sped away. 

He later reported an incident in which he said the damages to his car were caused by boxes falling off a truck. Of course modern forensics and on-the-ball police officers knew better and immediately arrested him.

On Friday, Ma 27, 2015 at 7:17:51 AM UTC-4, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro wrote:

I'm glad you're mostly intact.  If you recall the details of the hit and run, I would be interested in hearing them.  I haveve been hit several times, but never H&R'd.

[Andrew Marchant-Shapiro]

That's truly horrible; both your experience in being hit and the bad actor's behavior after the collision.  I expect that (assuming the driver was insured) there should be no problems in your being fully compensated to the limit of his policy--but I do not know the company or the locale, so don't take my word for it.  Document absolutely everything insofar as you can.  Every cut, scrape, and bruise.  The hospital records are important, but so is whatever you can produce.  And (like a zillion people haven't already told you this!) take your time getting back to work and riding. 

[Mark Reimer]

ARE YOU SERIOUS???!!! That kind of crap makes me SO angry

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[Fullylugged]

David:

 It is encouraging to read that both the rider and the ride are heavily banged up but both are fixable and share good prospects for travelling together again.  Best wishes on your recovery and successfully repairing the RBW.

Bruce

On Friday, March 27, 2015 at 1:26:53 PM UTC-5, David Spranger wrote:

I was riding to work early on last Friday morning....... snip

[Surlyprof]

So sorry to hear of your accident, David.  What a horrible experience.  Glad to hear you have such strong support and that you are focusing so strongly on the positives.  Wishing you quick and complete healing.

John

[lungimsam]

God bless you, David! I will be praying for you and your family.

Don't worry about the bike. You can always buy another bike. But the world will never have another David Spranger! So I am glad you are on your way to recovery! May it be speedy and full!

 

[Philip Williamson]

Wow. That person is not good. Deep breath. In. Out. Slow. Nice of them to go around you after they slid you off the hood?
I'm really glad you're recovering, and that your morale is so good!

Philip
www.biketinker.com

[Jim Bronson]

Wow.  Just wow.  I am so very glad that you are still alive.  I would guess that more times than not, an accident like you describe would be fatal to the cyclist.  He left you for dead pretty much.

There's nothing I can say about this motorist that would not violate the spirit of this email list.  I just hope this results in a long prison sentence for him. And whatever happens there, well too bad so sad.

[Andrew Marchant-Shapiro]

David:

How goes the recovery?  Hope you're doing better...

Andy

[David Spranger]

Thanks, Andy. One day at a time. While in the hospital I was busting to get out. I have a vague memory of telling my boss I was ready to get back to work right away. Now that I am home, I am realizing how long this is going to take and, frankly, happy for the extra time to recuperate and reflect.

David

Home Residence

Charlotte, NC

Frieden pokój fred,

David

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[James Warren]

David,

Don't rush it. Take it easy, and know that all of the easy-taking is exactly what should happen. Work can wait! (5 years ago I had a minor concussion and needed 3 weeks when I initially thought I only needed one or less.)

Rest well!

-Jim

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[Andrew Marchant-Shapiro]

Take it easy--that's the only advice I can give.  It took me a long time to recover from hip replacement, though I think the time may have been stretched by the trauma, and I had no head injuries and only minor other fractures.  Take it easy, enjoy life as much as you can, and contemplate a customized bicycle...