Atlantis or Hunqapillar

[Çackalak]

Maybe this is a question that gets asked a lot here, so apologies if that is the case.

I am looking for a new frame to build up and these two are the finalists.  On paper, they look very similar.  I have an 84cm PBH and would be sized 54cm and 58 cm for Hunqapillar and Atlantis, respectively. 

Just wondering if there is an advantage with either one, given my set up below:

* 29x2.2 tires.  Probably Maxxis Ikon or Schwalbe Racing Ralphs.

* Dirt drop bars.  On One Midge or ?

* Ridden mostly on dirt roads, with some singletrack mixed in.  Paved roads only to get to dirt.

* Bikepacking is a must.  I think both offer everything I need for a proper cargo set up.

Hunq is cool, but the aesthetics of the Atlantis draws me.  I like more of a level TT, and the lack of SO height doesn't bother me.

I think I am leaning Atlantis.  It costs a little more, but only $300, so not bad.  Any advice either way?

[hsmitham]

I love my Atlantis! Did I say I love my Atlantis!! Hunq is cool but oh the Atlantis.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/pedalpusher61/21454529951/in/dateposted-public/

Can't wait to ride it this weekend.

Tail Winds,

~Hugh

[Will]

I have an Atlantis, and like Hugh, I love it. It does everything well. Either bike gets it done, of course, but Atlantis is well... Atlantis. An icon.

One piece of advice... if you're going camping, go with Tubus racks and Ortlieb bags. Yeah, I know Riv promotes Nitto, and I have no beef with Nitto, but Tubus/Ortlieb is the best touring/hauling setup around.

[Jack]

It's a tough call, but either bike would work well for what you have planned. I have a Hunqapillar and an Atlantis but would give a slight nod to the Hunq for dirt roads.  

Are you sure a 58cm Atlantis will fit you? My PBH is 84.5cm and my Atlantis is 56cm. An old Atlantis brochure recommends a 56cm for PBH between 83 and 85 and a 58cm for PBH 84.5 to 87.

On Thursday, October 8, 2015 at 12:44:09 AM UTC-4, Çackalak wrote:

[EGNolan]

WAIT FOR THE APPALOOSA! It's 1/2 way between the two & 1/2 the cost of either.

Best,
Eric

[iamkeith]

I was going to say what Eric just said.  FYI, this is a new model that they've been playing with for a while, but we just recently learned is conceived as a mid-point between the Hunq and Atlantis.  The other way its been described is as an updated Hillbourne, with longer stays, with room for MUCH bigger tires, and (presumably) the bottom bracket height adjusted accordingly.

The main thing I'd say though, is "Get whichever fits you best."   These are the two models I've always wanted, but I fall squarely between sizes in both cases.  You're lucky in that the 54 Hunq is probably a really good fit.  As Jack says, the 56 Atlantis is probably right too, but I'd understand if you didn't want the 26" tires for primarily off-road duties.  (Though I think they're a huge PLUS if you were going to use it mostly ON the road.)

[Deacon Patrick]

Proceed with confidence. The only wrong choice is to not get one. Besides, you already know your answer. Grin.

With abandon,

Patrick

[shawn m.]

I have an 84cm PBH and ride a 54cm Hunq and a 56cm Atlantis. They both fit me perfectly, and I suspect the 58cm Atlantis would feel too big, more for TT length than standover. But, hey, a dirt drop or other short stem and maybe you're in business. I tour on the Hunq. It's all Nitto. I've used Tubus racks in the past and they work fine, too, but they just don't look right on a Rivendell to me. Many tours, many miles on the Nitto racks and no regrets.

Something to consider: How long is the wait for an Atlantis vs. a Hunqapillar? That can often be a factor!

Hard to go wrong either way, IMHO. Good luck.

On Wednesday, October 7, 2015 at 9:44:09 PM UTC-7, Çackalak wrote:

[Clayton]

Atlantis. I bought mine in 98' or so. I have never loved a bike as much. Go for the Atlantis. Incredibly comfortable and also resilient when loaded. I will NEVER sell mine.

Claytonious Q

[Tim Gavin]

Tubus racks are great, no argument there.

And Ortlieb panniers are definitely top-notch; they have THE BEST attachment systems and come with various sizes of hook inserts to match the rack tubing.

But Ortlieb bags work great with Nitto racks, too, in case you're wondering.  

I've used the following combiniations:

Nitto R20 Mt Campee rack (like Riv's Big Rear Nitto rack 32R, but simpler and cheaper) with Sport Packers and Back Rollers

Nitto F20 Mt Campee rack (front, with detachable lowrider frames) with Sport Packers

Nitto 34F Big Front rack with Sport Packers and Back Rollers.

Cheers,

Tim Gavin

Cedar Rapids, IA

[Jim D Massachusetts]

I have an 84 pbh and have a 54 Hunq. The fit is good except for a slightly long top tube with a dirt drop stem and noodles. Albatros bars would solve this I think. The ride is great. Long time ago I test rode an Atlantis. That was a 56 and the fit seemed good. I suspect that a 58 would have been too big for me. I think I saw that Grant has an 84+ pbh and I think he has a 56 Atlantis. Fit issues can vary with the individual. This is just a couple of more data points.

On Thursday, October 8, 2015 at 12:44:09 AM UTC-4, Çackalak wrote:

[Anne Paulson]

I've ridden from Washington state to Maine, and from Tecate to the
Canadian border, using Ortlieb panniers on Nitto racks. I'm sure Tubus
racks are fine, but I don't know a reason to recommend them over
Nitto.

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[drew]

85 pbh and a 54 hunq. we are in true, deep, comfortable love. albastache and albatross are perfect. drops are a bit of a stretch for me. im sure the atlantis is equally lovable. can't go wrong.  

the pr on the appaloosa is a bit confusing. for a long time, and from multiple riv people, it was sam with longer stays/more clearance and canti's, now it's a mix of atlantis and hunq (an already very overlappy set of models)?

[Kevin Lindsey]

Hunqapillar. 
I've had my Hunq for about six months now, and it's hands down my favorite bike.  With plenty of room for big tires (I run Schwalbe 55 mm), it's silky smooth on either pavement or dirt road, is built like a tank, but rides like an Atlantis.  Plus, you get the coolest headbadge going.

[Chris Lampe 2]

Without ever having ridden either, my dream bike is an older 56cm Atlantis with the 44cm chainstays.  My understanding is that they are longer now and I prefer a shorter wheelbase, just for the type of riding I do.  I know from experience, that a 57cm top-tube, which I believe the 56 Atlantis has,  works very well for me.  I'm afraid the new Appaloosa will be designed with a really long toptube for pullback handlebars.  I can handle up to about 60cm but much more than that and I would be too stretched out.  

[Aaron Young]

Based on your intended use (lots of dirt) I'd say Hunqa over Atlantis because of more SO clearance. Also, I agree the Hunqa's head badge is probably the best ever in the history of the universe. :)

This might muddy the waters and maybe you've already considered and rejected this idea, but the 56 Atlantis would probably work for you as well. Biggest difference is 26" wheels. I coulda chosen a 56 or 58 Atlantis. I rode both. Went with 56 because I planned to be on rough stuff a lot and wanted slightly more SO clearance. 

In the end both Hunqa or Atlantis will be fine. They are very similar so my advice is to just follow your heart and choose the one that you will love the most.

Aaron Young

The Dalles, OR

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[Leslie]

A 56cm Atlantis instead?  It's be 26" wheels, but might fit you better than the 58cm.

If you want the 29x2.2, I'd lean towards the Hunq. 

I'd consider a 56cm Atlantis w/ Motolites and 650b wheels.   Or a Bombadil.

Or the Appaloosa.  

Just get one, it'll be fine. 

  


On Thursday, October 8, 2015 at 12:44:09 AM UTC-4, Çackalak wrote:

[Mark Reimer]

I've got a 58cm Atlantis and use it for exactly the purposes you're describing! 2.25 Thunder Burt or 2.1 Nano tires, unless it's really rainy and I put rock n' roads with fenders on. The fat tires are awesome on gravel and dirt roads. If it's really wet and sticky there isn't enough clearance at the frame for such fat tires though. A 2" tire would be safer. I've lost the paint on the inside of the frame at the tires from that, oops!

Dirt drop bars and a campee rack up front turns this into an awesome bike packing rig. I've done full days of single track on it, as well as several 200km gravel days in a row and loved it. I'd love a Hunq one day, but wouldn't ever exchange my Atlantis for it. They are just way too similar. The Atlantis is like the crown jewel, queen bee, the classic! Just get one!

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[Kelly]

So I have both the nitro and tubus racks... it's a tie for a rear rack.    As for Ortlieb .. well I feel they are fantastic, the best.. well that is oh so subjective... I wouldn't give up my 10 year old Arkels for a new set of Ortlieb.. and and yes I'll take the secure cam locks as well.   That being said you really can't go wrong... and if you can buy new.. go look at the new brooks design where they partnered with Ortlieb ... man talk about sweet looking.   :)      

On Thursday, October 8, 2015 at 6:51:30 AM UTC-5, Will wrote:

[cyclotourist]

I like Dirt Drops a lot more than Midge bars. The Midges have a very narrow top portion that I found limiting. 

FWIW, I'm really liking the Salsa Cowbells and new Cowchippers. Unfortunately only available in 31.8 clamp size.

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[brianweee]

Does anyone know what the difference in tube specs are for the Atlantis & Hunqapillar? or weight differences?

I'd be curious how different of a frame they are from that stand point. 

On Wednesday, October 7, 2015 at 9:44:09 PM UTC-7, Çackalak wrote:

[Ginz]

I'd focus on handlebar choice.  For bullmoose or a swept bar, I'd go Hunq.  For drops, I'd go Atlantis.  That said, look closely at the sizes you are considering and their top tube lengths.  All else equal, Hunq tends to have a longer top tube.

[Chris Lampe 2]

I'm interested in this as well.  I'm almost positive that I've seen .9/.6/.9 AND .8/.5/.8 specs for the Atlantis so maybe it's changed over the years.  Also, several years ago I discussed my needs with Grant and he said the Hunqapillar and Bombadil were the only Riv's he would recommend for me.  He did not recommend the Atlantis so there must be some significant difference in the tubing sets.  

[Mark Reimer]

Why would he not recommend the Atlantis? 

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[drew]

i asked a couple months ago. 

Currently, both atlantis and hunq are straight gauge ox platinum. differences are in the fork and chainstays...thicker on the hunq.  i would imagine the weight difference would be more or less unnoticeable on a built up bike.  

[Mark Reimer]

I've definitely felt some Hunq's that were lighter than my Atlantis. I've also had my Atlantis up to 100 pounds with touring stuff on it and it was just starting to feel lively, hah! I don't think it actually has a weight limit for the frame. I can't imagine it ever being over taxed. 

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 10:52 AM, drew <drewbe...@gmail.com> wrote:

i asked a couple months ago. 

Currently, both atlantis and hunq are straight gauge ox platinum. differences are in the fork and chainstays...thicker on the hunq.  i would imagine the weight difference would be more or less unnoticeable on a built up bike.  

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[Chris Lampe 2]

His concern was my weight, which was 365 at the time.  He didn't specifically say "don't get an Atlantis" but his almost exact words were "the only bike of ours I would recommend for you is the Hunqapillar (or the Bombadil)......" .  

I'm sure the Atlantis would handle my weight with no problem.  I rode a Handsome Devil for two years and I can't imagine that it's stouter than an Atlantis and I'm currently riding a Karate Monkey and it's downtube is so thin that I can actually compress it with my fingers (it is large diameter, though).  I think Grant just recommends things on the cautious side and for a guy my size, who might do some off-road riding, it seems prudent to recommend the strongest bike(s) he offers.  

EDIT: I went back and dug up the e-mail to make sure I'm quoting Grant correctly.  His statement was that the Hunaqapillar (and Bombadil) were the only bikes he sells that he thinks would be PERFECT for me.  It was three years ago and long-term memory isn't that reliable.   He did recommend those two bikes but it wasn't as exclusionary as my memory made it sound.  

[Mike Williams]

Legolas/Roadeo tubing,  Hunq clearances!!

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[dougP]

Having had an Atlantis since '03, and never ridden a Hunq, I'm biased toward the Atlantis.  I'm also an 84mm PBH, and have 2 old Atlantis flyers that show the 56 & 58 overlap in that area.  Mine is a 58 and came with 35 mm tires.  However, over time my preferred tire width has grown, and 40, maybe 45, seems about maximum comfortable size.  Were I to do it today, I would go with the 56 but it's not a huge enough deal that I'm motivated to change.  Of course you've mentioned SO is not an issue so this may be a moot point.

Regarding racks, I've used both Nitto & Tubus, and find that Tubus are quite a bit stiffer.  OTH, Tubus look industrial while Nitto are really attractive.  As others have commented, either one will work well, and far better than the average rack. 

dougP

[Mike Schiller]

if you want to use bikepacking bags I  would go with the Hunq as a rear bag needs more seatpost to work properly.  Also the sloping top tube gives you more standover  for off-road dancing....  and room for wider tires.  No contest IMO.

BTW I hate Ortliebs... tacky hooks  that bounce around on rough dirt and an over Engineered mechanism.  I prefer simpler designs like Lone Peak uses.  MUSA too.

~mike

Carlsbad Ca

[Will]

Meh... I have 4 Tubus racks and 4 Ortlieb roll-top rear panniers. They get used every day by various members of my family. We have no complaints. They work. The engineering they present is necessary for quick attach/release functionality. This feature is critical for urban commuting and urban cargo hauling (groceries) where you never want to leave a bag on a bike.

I suppose if I was riding single track, I'd select something that was shoelaced to the rack... but easy on-off is my need. And no one (well... maybe Arkel is close) does it any better.

I do agree that a sloped TT makes for more seat post and therefore better seatbag "hang function". That's an important point, particularly if you plan to use abig seatbag.

But I don't agree that Hunq is a "no contest" candidate. If you want a really long top tube and really long chain stays that's your choice, but that diagatube that comes with the frame will never be mine.

Best,

Will