Custom Atlantis?

[charlie]

Anybody ever have an Atlantis built with heavier tubing? What I am
talking about is a heavier down tube etc.to increase the load carrying
ability while still maintaining the traditional look and fit of the
Atlantis design in my particular sizing. Been looking at a "Hunk" but
I am thinking I am right in between sizes with the 54cm giving me too
much seat post and the 58cm not quite enough clearance for bigger
tires later (due to the up sloping top tube). I currently ride a 58 cm
Surly and it fits me. My parts could easily interchange (with a 700c
Atlantis). I get some ghost shifting with the Surly when I load it up
hence my thought toward a stiffer frame. I'm heavier (257 now) and
want a frame that I can use for occasional camping but mostly road
riding. I'm not much of an off roader but I can see doing more of it
in the future when I start to lose my nerve for riding on the road.
I'm 53 and this will probably be my last frame purchase so I've been
thinking about it from several perspectives.....versatility,
longevity, load carrying, traditional looks, ability to stand over for
big tires and off road riding in the future etc.

[Dan Abelson]

Other than the traditional looks the surly troll seems close to what you are looking for.  I have one and riding it never fails to put a smile on my face.

Dan Abelson

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[charlie]

Hi Dan, Yea I looked at the Troll and like it but it has 26" wheels
and I want to use my current parts to reduce costs plus the Atlantis
and the Trucker are similar in geometry so my thinking is it might be
easier to get the same fit. I'm starting to think of the one bike does
it all approach since I plan to downsize considerably lifestyle wise.
Basically for my general kind of riding a heavy built 'rando' bike
that can go off road, sometimes carry a load and still be ridden
briskly unloaded. I keep coming back to drop bars for comfort and the
mirror I like to use so that influences my choice also. I have a
generator set up for lighting and don't want to discard that either.
I'll probably give Riv a call unless Grant wants to chime
in...........

On Apr 1, 11:30 am, Dan Abelson <d...@abelsons.net> wrote:
> Other than the traditional looks the surly troll seems close to what you
> are looking for.  I have one and riding it never fails to put a smile on my
> face.
>
> Dan Abelson

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

In my experience, the Surly LHT is considerably stiffer than the Atlantis (the Atlantis being closer to the Cross-check than LHT). Ghost shifting on a LHT seems unlikely to be caused by frame flex, even with a heavy load. I'd suspect some misadjustment, loose shifter, or worn or mismatched parts. If it is indeed a case of frame flex, usually a smear of grease where the cables go under the BB will fix it.

[charlie]

Thanks Jim you are probably correct. I'll try the cleaning and
greasing again since its covered in some winter road grit now. I have
newer cables, chain and rear cassette and always run with fenders but
after thinking about it the Silver shifters on the down tube sometimes
slip. I still want a nicer lugged frame someday and the idea of a
somewhat beefier Atlantis appeals.......

On Apr 1, 12:04 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <thill....@gmail.com>
wrote:

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

I'd tend to look at the silver shifters as the culprit, especially if you're running a 9sp cassette. There's enough "slop" between clicks in the ratchet system in those shifters that even if the shifter is tight enough, derailleur/chain placement will be imprecise in some gears. In that case, a tiny amount of frame-flex-induced cable pull may tip it into an adjacent gear. This would be less likely with 7/8sp cassettes.

[Leslie]

Bombadil?

[EricP]

Agree with both Jim and Leslie on this.  If you are looking for a Rivendell, then maybe a Bombadil would be closer to your needs.  Have also owned both an Atlantis and (currently) a LHT and the latter is a stiffer bike.  Not huge, but noticeable.   And weighed more than you, Charlie, when I had the Atlantis. 

 

Also agree with Jim on the shifting matter.  Couldn't get Silver and 9 speed to coexist on my bike. 

 

Eric Platt

St. Paul, MN

[Chris Lampe 2]

Jim,

 

Is this specific to Silver shifters or is it something that is relatively common with a mix of friction and 9-speed cassettes?   My bike has a 9-speed cassette and those cheap thumb shifters that RBW sells and sometimes I get frequent ghost shifts, even under a very easy pedaling load.

[Bertin753]

For the record: Others will have their own opinions, but I shift a home brew 9 speed cassette -non-aligned ramps- with Silver bar end shifters and I don't have a problem. Perhaps I am more deft than others, or perhaps I have lower standards.

Patrick Moore

iPhone

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[Tim Gavin]

I friction shifted 9 speeds with Silver bar-ends, with no problem.  (11-32 cassette, Microshift rear der).  I don't pay attention to the ratchet clicks, just move the shifter gently until the desired cog is engaged.

I've since retro-fitted to 7 speeds, but not because of shift quality.  I went back to my Riv's original ('97) Phil FW hubs and rebuilt them with Synergy 650b rims.

[Christopher Murray]

A while back (ten-ish years maybe?) the Rivendell Custom order form had an option that said something along the lines of "like an Atlantis but fancier". I got the impression that a fancy Atlantis- inspired Custom was pretty common from the early literature and site. I am sure the people at Riv can point you in the right direction and tell you what has been done in the past.

Cheers!
Chris

[hsmitham]

Leslie,

The Bombadil was a frame and fork listed on Riv's site as a FF or full build, now it's  a custom frame set with IIRC stouter tube's. It's not cheap though but sounds like what you'd be looking for. I'd give Riv a call. I think Grant at this time is over seas so he might not be chiming in on this one. But Keven, Will, Dave and all the others at Riv will gladly help you out

~Hugh

On Sunday, April 1, 2012 3:53:16 PM UTC-7, Leslie wrote:

Bombadil?

[Peter Morgano]

I love my bombadil but I don't see the point of buying one new nowadays if it's the same price as a custom. I know they are built to order but for that price I would want specific things that my bombadil doest have. Don't flame me here but if I had a custom like the bombadil it would be a true 58 with a level TT but still with 650b, and clearance for 60s. Just one man's small opinion.

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[Hugh Smitham]

Peter,

I'd figure for the price of a custom, the Bombadil would be a starting point. Since I've never had a custom built I'm speculating but it seems they would help design one with your specific desires in mind or they might discuss why an idea may or may not be feasible. Just my 2 cents.

~Hugh

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[ted]

I haven't tried the silvers I have with a 9sp cassette, but I do think the granularity of control they yield is a bit coarser than what I get from some old suntour acushift 7/8sp levers. I was using those older levers with 9sp successfully for a while until I got a new Suntour XCD to sub out my old xc-pro rd, and went back to indexing with shimano levers.

[Bruce Herbitter]

I think it's "B" Patrick...

[ascpgh]

I had that "granularity" in the Shimano 8-speed bar ends on my Rambouillet in friction mode. It was clear enough of a position defining-feeling, even though there were many more of them than gears, that I occasionally stopped short of a good clean shift by their distraction. They got benched in lieu of some black Suntour 7-speed AccuShift levers in friction mode. Smooth.

Andy Cheatham

Pittsburgh