Uvaria sp. ? for ID

[M Sawmliana]

Location : Mizoram
Habit : Large climber
Habitat : Growing wild in the forests.
Note : Fruit edible. Usually found near rivers


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M.Sawmliana

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID

Distributed as Uvaria species ?- Mizoram

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID

Distributed as Uvaria species ?- Mizoram

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Uvaria sp. ? for ID (google.com)

[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Sawmliana ji,

Do you have other images ?

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[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Sawmliana ji,

What are species listed in your area?

On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 at 16:11, M Sawmliana <msawm...@gmail.com> wrote:

Uvaria hamiltonii ?

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Sawmliana ji

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On Thu, 8 Apr, 2021, 6:52 pm M Sawmliana, <msawm...@gmail.com> wrote:

Uvaria is not recorded/listed in Flora of Mizoram

[J.M. Garg]

Then who identified it as Uvaria ?

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[surajit koley]

It looks similar to Uvaria macrophylla Roxb., at Hong Kong herbarium - https://www.herbarium.gov.hk/subpages.aspx?id=8908. The indumentum of epicarp can be hairy, as per Flora of China - http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200008601.

But, Flora of "British India" and "Bengal Plats", both include its distribution in Bangladesh (Silhet, Chittagong).

Most importantly, the treatment of the taxon is different in the paper titled, "A revised taxonomy for Uvaria (Annonaceae) in continental Asia".

So, before any species determination one needs to examine thoroughly each and every morphological character of the submitted species.

Thank you.

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Surajit Koley

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Surajit.

Sending you the paper separately only, in case you can nail down the id.

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[surajit koley]

Sir, I downloaded the "paper", from BioOne,(open access), about a month ago and already flipped itrs pages, but it didn't help.

because -

Identification KEY starts with flower character, which is not available in this discussion.

I would request Swamliana ji to provide details like leaf and fruit size, if possible

or, alternatively

request him to go through the paper and decide himself.

Another literature might (or might not) help - https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/85005#page/3/mode/1up.

Thank you.

Best regards,

Surajit Koley

[surajit koley]

This is Uvaria hamiltonii H.f. & T (var, hamiltonii).

One problem area is that the Paper, "A revised Taxonomy for Uvaria (Annonaceae)in Continental Asia" doesn't recognise its presence in that region. But Sawmliana ji has taken care of it - https://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Eastern%20Uvaria.html

Thank you.

Best regards,

Surajit Koley

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Surajit ji.

What is worrying me is the colour of the fruit. 

I could not find any mention in the descriptions in the revision as well as in FBI and also in the GBIF - specimens one, two and three and four. 

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[J.M. Garg]

Can it be Uvaria argentea Bl. var. bracteata as per GBIF- specimen ?

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Surajit ji

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On Fri, 30 Apr, 2021, 7:19 pm surajit koley, <surajitno...@gmail.com> wrote:

Sir,

In the type species of U. argentea, the "REVISION" describes : "monocarps numerous, red or purple ..... glabrous,"

In case of U. argentea var. bracteata, the "REVISION" describes : "differs from the type ..... petals, and the leaves .... obovate." (No difference in monocarps noted in the 'revision').

Monocarps in Sawmliana ji's picture are densely tomentose

So, I do not think it can be U. argentea var. bracteata.

On the other hand, the description in the "revision" of U. hamiltonii monocarps : "monocarps 10-14, gloose to oblong ..... green turning red .... outer surface ferrugino-tomentose ....

So, I think this is the plant what I see in FoI - https://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Eastern%20Uvaria.html

Thank you.

Best regards,

Surajit Koley

[surajit koley]

Sir,

In the type species of U. argentea, the "REVISION" describes : "monocarps numerous, red or purple ..... glabrous,"

In case of U. argentea var. bracteata, the "REVISION" describes : "differs from the type ..... petals, and the leaves .... obovate." (No difference in monocarps noted in the 'revision').

Monocarps in Sawmliana ji's picture are densely tomentose

So, I do not think it can be U. argentea var. bracteata.

On the other hand, the description in the "revision" of U. hamiltonii monocarps : "monocarps 10-14, gloose to oblong ..... green turning red .... outer surface ferrugino-tomentose ....

So, I think this is the plant what I see in FoI - https://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Eastern%20Uvaria.html

Thank you.

Best regards,

Surajit Koley

On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 at 17:49, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Mahbuba Sultana]

Pls , Help identify 

[Mahbuba Sultana]

Fresh fruit with leaves. pls see

[Mahbuba Sultana]

All are same tree plant. Locally known as Pechigota or Roktagota. 1.5-3.5 cm long

[Saroj Kasaju]

Please post in your own separate mail with details like elevation, date and location.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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