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This is my take: http://cl.ly/0U2C1O20133i0U3d1s3X/oOn Sunday, April 29, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Alec Taylor wrote:
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April 29, 2012 10:34 AM
DjangoCon videos ?
http://pyvideo.org/
Giovanni and I have touched base about collaborating on the design.
We'll update as we go.
There are tons of good Django videos to choose from. Ideas are
appreciated.
On Apr 29, 2012, at 1:46 PM, "rikuth...@gmail.com
<mailto:rikuth...@gmail.com>" <rikuth...@gmail.com
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The one that Giovanni did is really nice, I like it!
2012/4/29 Juan Pablo Martínez <jpm...@gmail.com
<mailto:jpm...@gmail.com>>
http://imgur.com/a/186fh
nice :)
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I liked what Dana Woodman did, so I did a design based on that.
Here: http://imgur.com/a/186fh
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This is my take: http://cl.ly/__0U2C1O20133i0U3d1s3X/o
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On Sunday, April 29, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Alec Taylor wrote:
Here is a design I just pulled up:
http://i.imgur.com/wIkel.png
Thoughts?
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Contact me for UX once you have forked the repo, I'll
throw something
up and place it on the wiki (or in an issue) of that
new repo.
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On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Dana Woodman
<da...@danawoodman.com <mailto:da...@danawoodman.com>> wrote:
Great info Russ, thanks!
My thoughts at this point would be to focus on the
main content sections,
including the home page and documentation overview pages.
For the home page I'd see something like this working
well:
-Logo and brief project description (fork on Github as
well?) - Answers the
"What is Django?" and "Why should I care?" questions.
(for example, Twitter
Bootstraps's home page:
Link to download and docs - Answers the "How can I
start?" question
"Who uses Django?" section - Answers, well... the "Who
uses Django?"
question. BTW, is there a reason that there isn't more
of the larger users
of Django on here? Eg Disqus, Instagram, Pinterest,
Google, Mahalo,
addons.mozilla.org <http://addons.mozilla.org>, etc...
This alone would get people excited to use Django
and would convince a lot of the business types that
Django can scale and is
worth the investment.
A graphical site navigation area, eg:
<http://cl.ly/3B1N2h3E2x3x0f3V091K> -
Give people a an easy way to get around to the core
content on the site.
Thinking a layout along the lines of Node.js
(http://nodejs.org/) homepage
would be effective. Node does a good job of keeping
things minimal and easy
to navigate.
Some sort of "blogroll" type feature would satisfy the
need to update the
community of interesting or useful links. This could
work in concert with
the documentation as well. Not sure what the exact
needs for this are, what
would be an ideal process for this?
How would the style guide be presented? Would it be a
page on
djangoproject.org <http://djangoproject.org>, Github
Wiki, a PDF, or...?
I assume it would be fairly straightforward to give
Spinx a new skin?
Do you feel an incremental approach would be best or
should it be a complete
overhaul in one go?
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However, djangoproject.com <http://djangoproject.com>
has been on GitHub for a while:
code.djangoproject.org <http://code.djangoproject.org>
(http://code.djangoproject.org__) site as well? Are
there other things that
would need to change? I'd really need the scope down
so I know how and where
to start.
There's also pages for the foundation; these aren't
currently linked to from
the homepage, so they're really well hidden. Right
now, they're currently
implemented as flat pages.
However, as the brief indicates, we'd like to have a
bunch of broader design
guidelines so if we want to improve any existing
section of the site, or if
any other project comes along and we want to integrate
them into
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It seems to me that this might be one of those
opportunities to just jump
right in and get your hands dirty. I many ways I don't
know if a redesign is
going to happen without someone taking the initiative
and getting it done,
so it might as well be you! :)
On Saturday, April 28, 2012 2:22:59 AM UTC-5, Dana
Woodman wrote:
So now that Django is being moved to Git/Github (which
is awesome!), maybe
it would be a good time to think about a revamped home
page for the project
(http://djangoproject.com)?
Obviously this is no small undertaking and would be
potentially contentions
as to what would be the proper path, but I feel (and I
don't think I'm
alone) that djangoproject.com
could use a bit of
a facelift.
I have some idea of my own as to how this could be
accomplished and I'm sure
there are a ton of others out there with great ideas
as well. Maybe we could
open up some discussion on this idea?
Forgive me if this has been proposed before as I'm new
to the group!
Cheers,
Dana
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Non-homepage templates===================I'm not sure what other pages we have in our current site, ignoring trac for now. I suspect that we'll need one or two templates for non-home pages.
Being realistic here we must acknowledge that likely the majority of us are great programmers but not great designers – none of the design proposed did it for me – they were not bad but they weren’t great, and I want epic, I want sexy and I want eye candy.So I say this: it is no shame to use a pre-existing, pre-made template.I have used http://themeforest.net/?ref=danols successfully in the past - yes it includes my referral link - an added benefit is we can get through the mock up and conversion phases very quickly. Some designs that caught my eye --- please note these are fluid designs hence table and smartphone ready, resize your browser window to see what I mean.
However
From: Dana WoodmanSent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 3:22 AM
Subject: Redesign of djangoproject.com?
So now that Django is being moved to Git/Github (which is awesome!), maybe it would be a good time to think about a revamped home page for the project ala djangoproject.com?Obviously this is no small undertaking and would be potentially contentions as to what would be the proper path, but I feel (and I don't think I'm alone) that djangoproject.com could use a bit of a facelift.I have some idea of my own as to how this could be accomplished and I'm sure there are a ton of others out there with great ideas as well. Maybe we could open up some discussion on this idea?Forgive me if this has been proposed before as I'm new to the group!Cheers,Dana
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* One of my personal goals for this redesign is to give more visibility to community resources. Over the last 6 years, we've had a number of unofficial projects come and done great service for the community -- django people, several packaging indices, and so on. However, many of these projects have died on the vine. I suspect one of the reasons that these projects has died is that they've never really been considered first class members of the community, and so it's mentally easy to abandon them rather than seeking to hand them off to a new maintainer. The only place I can see in Giovanni's design for this sort of community content would be to bury it in the footer, or on a separate part of the community page.
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um, not sure what happened to part of my response, but to summarize a missing paragraph I would like the design to consider showing more of the community as well.
Buddy Lindsey, Jr. wrote:
Russell Keith-Magee wrote:
* One of my personal goals for this redesign is to give more
visibility to community resources. Over the last 6 years, we've had a
number of unofficial projects come and done great service for the
community -- django people, several packaging indices, and so on.
However, many of these projects have died on the vine. I suspect one
of the reasons that these projects has died is that they've never
really been considered first class members of the community, and so
it's mentally easy to abandon them rather than seeking to hand them
off to a new maintainer. The only place I can see in Giovanni's
design for this sort of community content would be to bury it in the
footer, or on a separate part of the community page.
I came to Django from the Rails community and while I prefer Django
over Rails one thing I was disappointed with on arrival was I didn't
know "where" the Django community was, still not sure I do. Maybe the
django community is quiter than the Rails community is, but if I
didn't actively scour the internet I would think the community is dead
which is one of my evaluations of using a technology.
my 2 cents on the community aspect.
Hi Dana,
I completely agree. I've been trying to get a redesign of djangoproject.com going for quite some time under the auspices of the Django Foundation. As you can see from the lack of changes, you can see that I haven't been particularly successful :-(
The fundamental problem is that we have plenty of coding talent at our disposal, but not as much design talent. That's not to say that there aren't many talented designers in our community -- there are -- it's just that they're all very busy. We've approached several people in the Django design community asking them to help out, and some have even made done some initial work. However, redesign of a high-profile site like djangoproject.com is a big job, and nobody has been able to spare the time to bring the job to completion.
So - at this point I'm open to any offers. I want to avoid design by committee -- ideally, I would like to pass this off to a single person (or a small group) and give them complete control over design process. I'm not completely sure how to organise who gets this role -- suggestions are welcome.
If you (or anyone else) is interested, drop me a line and I can give you the design brief we've been working with.
Yours,
Russ Magee %-)
On Saturday, 28 April 2012 at 3:22 PM, Dana Woodman wrote:
> So now that Django is being moved to Git/Github (which is awesome!), maybe it would be a good time to think about a revamped home page for the project ala djangoproject.com (http://djangoproject.com)?
>
> Obviously this is no small undertaking and would be potentially contentions as to what would be the proper path, but I feel (and I don't think I'm alone) that djangoproject.com (http://djangoproject.com) could use a bit of a facelift.
>
> I have some idea of my own as to how this could be accomplished and I'm sure there are a ton of others out there with great ideas as well. Maybe we could open up some discussion on this idea?
>
> Forgive me if this has been proposed before as I'm new to the group!
>
> Cheers,
> Dana
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So now that Django is being moved to Git/Github (which is awesome!), maybe it would be a good time to think about a revamped home page for the project ala djangoproject.com?Obviously this is no small undertaking and would be potentially contentions as to what would be the proper path, but I feel (and I don't think I'm alone) that djangoproject.com could use a bit of a facelift.
I have some idea of my own as to how this could be accomplished and I'm sure there are a ton of others out there with great ideas as well. Maybe we could open up some discussion on this idea?Forgive me if this has been proposed before as I'm new to the group!Cheers,Dana
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So now that Django is being moved to Git/Github (which is awesome!), maybe it would be a good time to think about a revamped home page for the project ala djangoproject.com?Obviously this is no small undertaking and would be potentially contentions as to what would be the proper path, but I feel (and I don't think I'm alone) that djangoproject.com could use a bit of a facelift.
I have some idea of my own as to how this could be accomplished and I'm sure there are a ton of others out there with great ideas as well. Maybe we could open up some discussion on this idea?Forgive me if this has been proposed before as I'm new to the group!Cheers,Dana
On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Giovanni Collazo <gcol...@gmail.com> wrote:Hi :-)
> Hi,
>
> So, I spend a few hours working on the re-design following Idan's
> Guidelines. Any feedback and further direction from the core team would be
> greatly appreciated.
>
> G.
>
Looks nice! A few points though:
* Do we really need the pony?
* IMO the "Meet Django" section might be better one step up since the
line "Django makes it easier..." might not be enough to quickly
explain what Django actually is.
* "Meet Django" and "The Django Framework" sections have more or less
the same objective and should IMO be combined to make it possible to
put the community section slightly higher in the structure.
* Regarding prominent actions: Perhaps you could place some action
buttons where the pony is right now. Like something for developers,
something for novices and something for project managers.
* For the quickstart I'm personally not really a fan of lightboxes.
They should provide supplementary information, not primary info.
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I would also point out that the comments I made on the last design
haven't been addressed by this design, either.
Where is call to action for someone wanting to find out about/support
the Django Software Foundation site?
Where is the call to action for non-technical managers looking for information?
Where is the call to action for people wanting to contribute to the project?
Where are the links to other community resources (e.g., Django People)?
So far, all the designs being proposed appear to be novel reinventions
of the content that is already on Django's website. They don't appear
to be addressing the fundamental issues that exist with the existing
site and it's content.
Yours,
Russ Magee %-)
Am 21.05.2012 um 04:06 schrieb Adam Cezar Jenkins:
Please let me add in all politeness that I don't agree. djangoproject.com is not for the masses and therefore doesn't need to be over-simplified. On the contrary, it's for professionals who know what they are looking for.
> I'm sad to hear that about the pony. The pony itself isn't the issue, the issue to me is that there is a lack of branding of a real logo/mascot.
>
> I agree with 90% of the comparisons made in the blog post http://grokcode.com/746/dear-python-why-are-you-so-ugly/
What is missing in django marketing is IMHO a cleverly selected showcase of large and also small mature django sites, including in-house. A list of mature plugin-projects/apps would make sense, too.
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So - if you think there's a need for a showcase site -- go ahead and build it!
Yours,
Russ Magee %-)
Hi Dana,
I completely agree. I've been trying to get a redesign of djangoproject.com going for quite some time under the auspices of the Django Foundation. As you can see from the lack of changes, you can see that I haven't been particularly successful :-(
The fundamental problem is that we have plenty of coding talent at our disposal, but not as much design talent. That's not to say that there aren't many talented designers in our community -- there are -- it's just that they're all very busy. We've approached several people in the Django design community asking them to help out, and some have even made done some initial work. However, redesign of a high-profile site like djangoproject.com is a big job, and nobody has been able to spare the time to bring the job to completion.
So - at this point I'm open to any offers. I want to avoid design by committee -- ideally, I would like to pass this off to a single person (or a small group) and give them complete control over design process. I'm not completely sure how to organise who gets this role -- suggestions are welcome.
If you (or anyone else) is interested, drop me a line and I can give you the design brief we've been working with.
Yours,
Russ Magee %-)
On Saturday, 28 April 2012 at 3:22 PM, Dana Woodman wrote:
> So now that Django is being moved to Git/Github (which is awesome!), maybe it would be a good time to think about a revamped home page for the project ala djangoproject.com (http://djangoproject.com)?
>
> Obviously this is no small undertaking and would be potentially contentions as to what would be the proper path, but I feel (and I don't think I'm alone) that djangoproject.com (http://djangoproject.com) could use a bit of a facelift.
>
> I have some idea of my own as to how this could be accomplished and I'm sure there are a ton of others out there with great ideas as well. Maybe we could open up some discussion on this idea?
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> Forgive me if this has been proposed before as I'm new to the group!
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> Cheers,
> Dana
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Hi Ashraful,
First of all, thank you for contributing with your ideas for this project. Your mockup is one of the most aesthetically pleasing so far IMHO but there are some issues that need addressing before it could be replace the current design.
Since the mockup to feedback ratio in this thread seems distant from 1 at the moment, I wanted to contribute to the discussion, so please bear with me.
I really like your overall use of whitespace, especially right at the top. My first thought after seeing the design is that it doesn't feel cluttered, and this is my biggest issue with the current layout. But the more I looked into it, the more I noticed key areas are missing.
Russel has mentioned several times that djangoproject.com is not only for developers. We need to "sell" the project to sponsors who provide publicity and financial support, and managers who can foment adoption of our most loved framework in design shops around the globe and corporate environments seeking modern solutions to everyday challenges.
It could be argued that developers themselves don't need a "download" button. Django is hosted on at least half a dozen platforms and the ways to access these are also greatly diverse. I'm one of those who believe that familiarity with python packages and VCS tools are paramount to the success of Django developers, so pip and git are probably more relevant in today's world than tarballs.
We also need to do address how Django relies on the community to prosper, and anyone can contribute. Users can submit tickets, developers can patch code, newbies can write docs and many more. This also needs to stand out in the layout.
I like your use of silver and to be honest, it goes with green much better than our current beige, whilst looking more professional, clean and modern. I see no reason for keeping *everything* silver, however. Surely we could include a dash of green in the middle and bottom section, don't you agree?
I also don't think the blog posts are layed out in a particularly elegant way. There's no telling what the most recent post is, and laying them out on a grid seems like a waste of valuable space. Perhaps you could split that into a main area on the left and additional, less prominent info on the right?
A lot of the previous mockups made great suggestions on addition content that you could incorporate, like videocasts for example.
Last but not least, I don't get the logo. It's not that it doesn't look good, but it simply doesn't fit Django. The framework is not in any way related to chatting, so the speech bubble feels out of place. As for the icons, they're somewhat random and fail to illustrate what the project is about.
"The web framework for perfeccionists with deadlines" is a very abstract concept. If we can't come up with a concrete drawing of that vision, we should at least be inspired to design a conceptual and abstract piece that resonates with the notions of "framework", "perfeccionism", and "deadlines". Django's most admired strength is how it manages to solve the trade off between robustness and complexity in a seemingly natural way, and we should convey that.
Before getting back to work, take a look at the previous mockups and the criticism that followed. There's a lot to be learned from what others did well, and it might also help you avoid the same pitfalls.
Cheers,
André Terra
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Hi Ashraful,
First of all, thank you for contributing with your ideas for this project. Your mockup is one of the most aesthetically pleasing so far IMHO but there are some issues that need addressing before it could be replace the current design.
Since the mockup to feedback ratio in this thread seems distant from 1 at the moment, I wanted to contribute to the discussion, so please bear with me.
I really like your overall use of whitespace, especially right at the top. My first thought after seeing the design is that it doesn't feel cluttered, and this is my biggest issue with the current layout. But the more I looked into it, the more I noticed key areas are missing.
Russel has mentioned several times that djangoproject.com is not only for developers. We need to "sell" the project to sponsors who provide publicity and financial support, and managers who can foment adoption of our most loved framework in design shops around the globe and corporate environments seeking modern solutions to everyday challenges.
It could be argued that developers themselves don't need a "download" button. Django is hosted on at least half a dozen platforms and the ways to access these are also greatly diverse. I'm one of those who believe that familiarity with python packages and VCS tools are paramount to the success of Django developers, so pip and git are probably more relevant in today's world than tarballs.
We also need to do address how Django relies on the community to prosper, and anyone can contribute. Users can submit tickets, developers can patch code, newbies can write docs and many more. This also needs to stand out in the layout.
I like your use of silver and to be honest, it goes with green much better than our current beige, whilst looking more professional, clean and modern. I see no reason for keeping *everything* silver, however. Surely we could include a dash of green in the middle and bottom section, don't you agree?
I also don't think the blog posts are layed out in a particularly elegant way. There's no telling what the most recent post is, and laying them out on a grid seems like a waste of valuable space. Perhaps you could split that into a main area on the left and additional, less prominent info on the right?
A lot of the previous mockups made great suggestions on addition content that you could incorporate, like videocasts for example.
Last but not least, I don't get the logo. It's not that it doesn't look good, but it simply doesn't fit Django. The framework is not in any way related to chatting, so the speech bubble feels out of place. As for the icons, they're somewhat random and fail to illustrate what the project is about.
"The web framework for perfeccionists with deadlines" is a very abstract concept. If we can't come up with a concrete drawing of that vision, we should at least be inspired to design a conceptual and abstract piece that resonates with the notions of "framework", "perfeccionism", and "deadlines". Django's most admired strength is how it manages to solve the trade off between robustness and complexity in a seemingly natural way, and we should convey that.
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Glad you like the design, but I'm a he. :)