Marriage record finding and translation

[brownat68]

Hello

I am just starting to use the CCA website to find my ancestros and I want to see if I found the correct records.

I am looking for the marriage records of my great great grandparents:Antonio Miguel Furtado & Maria do Rosario Luiz.

Antonio Miguel Furtado
Birth 1873 in Vila Franca do Campo, São Miguel, Açores, PT
Marriage to Maria do Rosario Luiz: 1896 about Age: 23, Vila Franca do Campo, São Miguel, Açores, PT
Death 21 June 1950 in Plymouth, Plymouth, Massachusetts, USA

Maria do Rosario Luiz
Birth 1875 in Vila Franca do Campo, São Miguel, Açores, PT
Death 10 April 1931 in Plymouth, Plymouth, Massachusetts, USA

I found the following record: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOPEDRO-C-1889-1899/SMG-VF-SAOPEDRO-C-1889-1899_item1/P64.html

Did I find the correct record?

I am 100% new to this.

Thanks

Todd

[JR]

No. That's Manuel de Andrade with Maria do Rosario. The latter is quite common for women, so maybe focus on the first name of groom and then look for the matching Maria Rosario. It will be a more efficient search.

JR

[Cheri Mello]

Todd,

No, not the right record.  The groom was a Andrade.

Vila Franca has 2 churches: Sao Miguel Arcanjo and Sao Pedro.  Which church?

Since you're my cousin, go back and duplicate some of my research.  For example, look for Victorino de Mello and Maria Joaquina (or whatever name she married under).  See if you can find that record and post it.  Find a few others.  Then jump into the unchartered territory.  You'll be surprised at how much your "reading" has increased.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

[brownat68 .]

How do you read the dates on the pages, they must be written in longhand? If I could read the years I could find them a lot easier.

Todd

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[Pam Santos]

The dates are written out 

Here is your marriage right page. married on 22 Aug 1895

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1895-1899/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1895-1899_item1/P21.html

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[Cheri Mello]

Yes, they are written out longhand.  Every once in a while though, you'll find a priest that will write 1809 at the beginning of those records.

mil = 1000

novocentos = 900

oitocentos = 800

noventa = 90

oitenta = 80

setenta = 70

sesenta = 60

cinquenta = 50

quarenta = 40

trinta = 30

vinte = 20

For a complete list, go to the Azores Genweb and click on the first link: http://goo.gl/mWi4rq

I think the numbers are on the last page or 2nd to the last page.

The numbers seem to be the last thing that people get.  And it doesn't help that oitocentos can be written as oito centos.  Or oi tocentos.  Depends on when they went back to dip the pen in the ink.  And 50 can be spelled
or rather, misspelled so many ways. 

It takes some practice and a lot of patience to get it, but you will get it.

We plan on spending lots of time helping people with the handwriting at our conference.

Good luck,
Cheri

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[Shirley Allegre]

Hi all:  This is how I read that marriage:

 

DOM 22 August 1895, SM-VFDC     Item 21, page 19 R

Antonio Miguel Furtado, single, age 24,

native, resident, baptised this freguesia.

(Jose Miguel Furtado, fisherman, native Sao Paulo- Ribeira Quente, Sao Miguel, Azores

X Anna de Jesus, domestic/housewife, native this freguesia)

SPOUSE

Maria do Rosario, single, age 20,

(Manoel Luis X Maria de Jesus), natives this freguesia

Next page:

TESTIMONY

Vicente d'Andrade  &  Julio de Pimentel,     all married, workers, and residents of this freguesia.

 

Shirley in CA

[brownat68 .]

Thanks for the Glossary and the translation. What Freguesia was it? São Pedro? I know it was São Miguel, Vila Franca do Campo correct?

I want to find this record myself.

Sorry for so many questions...

Todd

[Pam Santos]

The link to marriage is in my post it's in SM Vila Franca do campo

[Cheri Mello]

Todd,

This is where it gets weird.  After my Salt Lake Conference, I have about 8 researchers willing to work on a standardization for us.  We are all over the place.

You initially posted with freguesia, island, region, country:

Antonio Miguel Furtado
Birth 1873 in Vila Franca do Campo, São Miguel, Açores, PT
Marriage to Maria do Rosario Luiz: 1896 about Age: 23, Vila Franca do Campo, São Miguel, Açores, PT

Maria do Rosario Luiz
Birth 1875 in Vila Franca do Campo, São Miguel, Açores, PT

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BUT, that freguesia has 2 churches: Sao Miguel Arcanjo and Sao Pedro.  Then Shirley codes everything and doesn't use the full church name. 

I don't know how you would ascertain which church.  I'd need to see the record that lists Antonio Miguel Furtado and Maria do Rosaris Luiz.  I'm guessing it was someone's baptism.

In the meantime, I'll just have to pretend you somehow know the church is Sao Miguel Arcanjo.

1) Go to the CCA: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/

2) Point the fingertip at the council of Vila Franca and left click once.

3) Next page should have Ilha: Sao Miguel and Concelho: Vila Franco do Campo filled in.  If it doesn't, change it.  Then from the drop down, chose "Matriz de Sao Miguel" (even though those words never appear anywhere in the church records of Sao Miguel Arcanjo).  Click the round "Casamento" button and then finally click Procurar.

4) Scroll down if necessary to where you see the years containing 1896.  So that's the 1895-1899 link.  Click "Ver" (to see) to see it.

5) You are in luck these are grouped by years.  Start at page 1 of 1896 looking for Antonio Miguel Furtado and Maria do Rosario.

Good luck!
Cheri

[Pam Santos]

Below is the marriage for Antonio MIguel Furtado and Maria Rosario from my post above which they married on 22 Aug 1895

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1895-1899/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1895-1899_item1/P21.html

[João Ventura]

Hi Cheri,

That 'freguesia' certainly does NOT have two churches. 

In Vila Franca (town) there are the following freguesias:

- São Miguel, VFC (Freguesia); Vila Franca do Campo (Concelho/Municipality); São Miguel (Island); Açores (Region); Portugal (Country)*: http://tombo.pt/f/vfc03

- São Pedro, VFC (Freguesia); Vila Franca do Campo (Concelho/Municipality); São Miguel (Island); Açores (Region); Portugal (Country)*: http://tombo.pt/f/vfc04

There are others freguesias in that concelho, but they correspond to other villages.

I know that this can be confusing, and indeed in the CCA there are actually books from multiple churches in the same freguesia:

- Ginetes, Ponta Delgada, São Miguel, Açores: http://tombo.pt/f/pdl09 - notice the three 1904-1911 books for Varzea (this one shows up in the CCA is a distinct freguesia - but it never was)

- Santa Cruz, Praia da Vitória, Terceira: http://tombo.pt/f/vpv08 - this one is harder, but there's a couple of burial books for 'Casa da Ribeira', see 1695-1759 and 1813-1833 (CCA hides these books under the main freguesia).

Except for the exceptions (which should indeed be noted), in the Azores up to now it is sufficient to indicate the freguesia (NOT the town), concelho and island. Of course we could then go into the dillemma of using the patron saint/church name or the 'civil parish' name. That, I leave as an exercise to the reader, as not even the CCA seems to be following a uniform system there.

Regards,

João Ventura

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[brownat68 .]

Thanks Pam. You related to the Santos in North Plymouth?

Todd

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[Pam Santos]

Your welcome.  I am not sure I have not tracked down the siblings of my kids ancestor who migrated to Hawaii. He was from SM Vila Franca do Campo. I have had on another line where two siblings came to hawaii and the other four went to Massachusettes. Eventually will see where the siblings ended up at.

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