Parents of Joao Da Costa Ferraz and Antonia Francisca

[Herb]

I'm trying to locate the parents of Joao da Costa Ferraz and Antonia Francisca of Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832_item1/P78.html.  Right side

Their son Antonio Jacinto da Costa Ferraz was born 7 Jul 1784 and married Barbara Querobina do Espirito Santo on 10 Feb 1817 in Agua de Pau.   On their marriage record  she was listed as Barbara Querobina do Coracao de Jesus.

Witnesses at this marriage were Antonio Caetano da Silva Lopes and Antonio Jose Tavares

It's possible that Joao's parents were not from Agua de Pau.  I'm thinking maybe they were from  Vila Franca, but I have not been able to find them.  Does anyone have these families?

Herb

[Margaret Vicente]

Herb,

I show Joao's parents as Manuel Ferras Conigo and Maria de Santo Amaro Medeiros.

Antonia Francisca's surname is Sousa.  She is the daughter of Manuel de Sousa Xiote and Maria de Oliveira. 

I'm not certain if you have the right child named Antonio for the marriage record because this couple had another Antonio born 23-April-1793.  This Antonio would be 24 years old at time of marriage Jul 7 1784.

Check out all the the information here, right side, bottom record:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1780-1801/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1780-1801_item1/P171.html

Margaret

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[pi...@dholmes.com]

Hi Herb,

If your line is Ferraz, this might be a connection to Terceira.

I think it was Manoel Furtado of Brasil who once mentioned a Ferraz ancestor showing up on Sao Miguel.

Might not be this one, but could be. I think he'll see the message and comment on it.

His line came from Se, Angra (the cathedral in downtown Angra) in the early 1600s, I believe.

Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico & Terceira Genealogist
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[Herb and Judi Silva]

 Hi Doug

 

I do have a line that originated in Terceira,  a Joao de Rosa and Ana Joaquina  of Se, Angra do Heroismo Terceira, who had a son named Antonio  Jose "Terceira" Coelho who was born in Se Parish,  but  married Jacinta Rosa in NS da Conceicao, Ribeira Grande Sao Miguel on 8 July 1798.  I don't have dates for Joao Rosa and Ana Joaquina and CCA has not posted any Ribeira Grande records so it's a bit challenging to do crosschecks and prove lines. I'm hoping to live long enough to actually see those records in the  CCA site. LOL

 

 Antonio Jose "Terceira" Coelho ( is one of my 4th great grandfathers) and Jacinta Rosa had a daughter Luzia Candida who  married Jose Jacinto Rego  on 14 Jan 1839 in Ribeira Grande.  You know how Portuguese people are notorious and unforgiving with use of nicknames, so coming from Terceira to Sao Miguel, he was likely given the nickname of "Terceira". Did the Rosa family move to Sao Miguel from Terceira?

 

 Interesting though that my grandfather moved to Angra in the 1930's from Sao Miguel. Was there a connection there, who knows?

 

Herb

 

On 05/26/14, pico@dholmes.com wrote:

 

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[pi...@dholmes.com]

Yea, I remember we wrote off to the registo civil for that record of your father, I think.

I'll look those people up for you. Shouldn't be difficult for someone so recent. I had no idea you have that line.

I have seen many a Pico or Terceira famly set up home in Sao Miguel, and of course, visa-versa.

I would not be surprised if this Rosa line connects to me...

Stay tuned for the answer. :-)

[Herb and Judi Silva]

 

 Hi Margaret.  Thanks for the information.  Now there's a couple of surnames you don't see everyday huh???, Conigo and Xiote Sousa, right?

 

I will do some more checking. I only knew of two children they had,  Antonio Jacinto and Manuel.  Not aware of a 2nd Antonio

 

Herb

 

On 05/26/14, Margaret Vicente<margaretvicente@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Herb,

I show Joao's parents as Manuel Ferras Conigo and Maria de Santo Amaro Medeiros.

Antonia Francisca's surname is Sousa.  She is the daughter of Manuel de Sousa Xiote and Maria de Oliveira. 

I'm not certain if you have the right child named Antonio for the marriage record because this couple had another Antonio born 23-April-1793.  This Antonio would be 24 years old at time of marriage Jul 7 1784.

Check out all the the information here, right side, bottom record:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1780-1801/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1780-1801_item1/P171.html

Margaret

On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Herb <herbandjudi@verizon.net> wrote:

I'm trying to locate the parents of Joao da Costa Ferraz and Antonia Francisca of Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832_item1/P78.html.  Right side

Their son Antonio Jacinto da Costa Ferraz was born 7 Jul 1784 and married Barbara Querobina do Espirito Santo on 10 Feb 1817 in Agua de Pau.   On their marriage record  she was listed as Barbara Querobina do Coracao de Jesus.

Witnesses at this marriage were Antonio Caetano da Silva Lopes and Antonio Jose Tavares

It's possible that Joao's parents were not from Agua de Pau.  I'm thinking maybe they were from  Vila Franca, but I have not been able to find them.  Does anyone have these families?

Herb

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[mances]

Hi Herb and Doug,

Here's what I have about my ancestor Manuel Feraz:

Manuel Ferraz was born in Angra, ilha Terceira, and married in Capelas, ilha de São Miguel, on 5 jan 1667 – CCA #8, with Maria da Costa de Arruda (RR - chapter 326, 1).

 

Manuel Ferraz married second time with Maria de Morais, widow, in Capelas on 11 oct 1691 – CCA #37.

 

He died in Capelas on 2 may 1695.

 

He was the son of Manuel Ferraz (born in Sé, Angra, Terceira, on 23 nov 1604 – CCA #137)  and Barbara Fialho. They married in Sé, Angra, Terceira, on 5 oct 1625 – CCA #166. He was the son of Gaspar Gonçalves (born in Angra, Terceira) and Isabel Nunes (born in the island of Faial). She was the daughter of João Luiz and Beatriz Tomé.

 

Gaspar Gonçalves, widower, and Isabel Nunes married in Sé, Angra, Terceira, on 4 march 1601 – CCA #119. The record doesn´t list the parents.

Manoel

[Eliseu Pacheco da Silva]

Hi!

 

Where in Ribeira Grande José Jacinto do Rego married? J

 

eliseu

 

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 Hi Doug

 

I do have a line that originated in Terceira,  a Joao de Rosa and Ana Joaquina  of Se, Angra do Heroismo Terceira, who had a son named Antonio  Jose "Terceira" Coelho who was born in Se Parish,  but  married Jacinta Rosa in NS da Conceicao, Ribeira Grande Sao Miguel on 8 July 1798.  I don't have dates for Joao Rosa and Ana Joaquina and CCA has not posted any Ribeira Grande records so it's a bit challenging to do crosschecks and prove lines. I'm hoping to live long enough to actually see those records in the  CCA site. LOL

 

 Antonio Jose "Terceira" Coelho ( is one of my 4th great grandfathers) and Jacinta Rosa had a daughter Luzia Candida who  married Jose Jacinto Rego  on 14 Jan 1839 in Ribeira Grande.  You know how Portuguese people are notorious and unforgiving with use of nicknames, so coming from Terceira to Sao Miguel, he was likely given the nickname of "Terceira". Did the Rosa family move to Sao Miguel from Terceira?

 

 Interesting though that my grandfather moved to Angra in the 1930's from Sao Miguel. Was there a connection there, who knows?

 

Herb

 

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[herb]

Hi Eliseu it was in Conceicao 
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In Ribeira Grande there are some Terceira called people nowadays…

[herb]

Hi Eliseu I gave you the wrong date and location. Here is the correct information

Antonio Jose Terceira Coelho was born in Se Angra do Heroismo, Terceira and married Jacinta Rosa of Conceicao Ribeira Grande on 10 Nov 1817 in Conceicao Ribeira Grande Sao Miguel. The. Conceicao marriage records are not up on the site yet. I know Rick Pimentel  had said he had access to some of the Conceicao marriages. Sorry about the wrong date. Jacinta was the daughter of Luis de Teves Ferreira of NS da Estrela and Maria Joaquina of Sao Sebastiao PD and was born on 8 July 1798 in NS da Conceicao RG. 

Herb

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