Ships manifest from Porto, Portugal to Brazil around October 1911

[Carolyn M]

I would like to know if anyone knows of any online records of ships manifests leaving Porto, Portugal to Brazil?

My great-uncle left Porto bound for Brazil on or around October 1911, but I don't know the name of the ship.

I also posted this to the Portuguese Genealogy Board, but I'm not sure it ever got through.  This is my first post, and I want to thank you all for being here!

Any information regarding the manifest would be greatly appreciated.

Carolyn

[Cheri Mello]

Carolyn M,

Only a few people on this list research the mainland.  Most people here research the Azores.  So if no one answers, it's because no one knows.

I'd check the Tombo.pt site.  Joao C. Ventura crawls various Portuguese genealogy sites that have databases.  Here is what he has for Porto: http://tombo.pt/en/d/porto

You are a Gmail user.  You never see your own posts, so it's hard to tell.

Good luck,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

["E" Sharp]

Joao V. knows of these record from the mainland to Brazil.    I believe this is the website I used for my grandmother.

http://www.cepese.pt/portal/investigacao/bases-de-ados/emigracao/res_pesq_titulares

Also, my 4th great-grandfather's brother's son went from mainland Portugal to Brazil (back and forth a few time......went to and found his fortune in Brazil and eventually returned to Lisbon to live...and I found a few of his records on Ancestry.  Have you tried them?  If you don't have Ancestry, give me the names and I will look them up for you. 

"E"

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[Isabella Baltar]

Carolyn,

I'm sorry I did not answer you sooner, but I was traveling in Brazil.

I see you are looking for the ship manifests from Portugal to Brazil, and I can tell you that those ship manifests are in the National Archives of Brazil. Ship manifests usually stay at the country of arrival. The National Archives, in Rio de Janeiro, has a  huge database and most of it is online on this subject. You may find the interface a little complicated to open the ship manifest, but with patience you will get there. The manifests are in a pdf format, so it's good you have the year to start with. The link is:

http://www.an.gov.br/sian/principal_pesquisa.asp?busca=multinivel/multinivel_consulta4.asp?v_codReferenciaPai_ID=567717

They also have another link where you can search by the name, not everybody is there as they are still indexing.

http://www.an.gov.br/rvbndes/menu/menu.php

I have a blog where you will find these links  and several others to do your research in Brazil:

myportuguesegen.blogspot.com

Please, let me know if you have any difficulty in your research, I will gladly help you

Isabella Baltar

myportuguesegen.blogspot.com

[Carolyn M]

Cheri,

Through postings made here back in August of 2013, I found out about etombo.com, and tombopt.  From there I was able to find the actual photocopy of my grandfather's passport, which was in the Braganca District Archives.  I was thrilled to say the least!  I will check out this new link for Porto.

Thanks,
Carolyn

On Saturday, September 20, 2014 1:32:37 PM UTC-4, Carolyn M wrote:

[Carolyn M]

"E"
I have checked Ancestry.com, but I might have missed something in their card catalog.  I am not very familiar with that.  His name was Vitorino de Jesus Reixelo.  I have a photocopy of his passport, but I would really like to find him on a ship's manifest.

Thank you,
Carolyn

[Cheri Mello]

Repost for Carolyn, carolynmoroney at gmail.com

Isabella,

Thank you for all the information and links.  I will start to look through them, and will get back to you.

Carolyn

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["E" Sharp]

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Carolyn,

Nothing on Ancestry that I found.  My family for some reason sailed from Buenos Aires to England many times and that is how I found them. 

I checked the one site I sent to you but the name does not show up in searching by surname.  However, when I put my family surname in there it did not show up but I had an idea of the date when she applied and I found it by going through the dates.  If you have some idea of the date of travel, try this avenue also.  If all else fails, you can all contact Arquivo Nacional Torre do Tombo in Lisbon via email  antt.dglab.gov.pt  and they will check it out for you for a fee.  You do not have to pay the fee if they do not find it, at least that is how is was when they searched for me.  They found many records, birth, marriage, death,  for me in the past. Now I do that myself on Joao Ventura's great etombo site.   ​

I found a family of 8 spelled Reixello, father Antonio,  from Portugal (2 younger children born in Maui) sailing from Hawaii to San Francisco aboard the S. S. Sonoma Feb. 1919.  Maybe they are related?  It does not say where in Portugal they are from.  In the 1940 US census the names in spelled Rexelle. 

In the meantime, I will text my cousin in Brazil and ask him if he can find it. 

"E"

["E" Sharp]

Carolyn,

Someone has a family tree, pictures, etc. on Ancestry.co.uk  for this Antonio Reixelo, Birth 4 Jul 1876 in Lavandeira, Portugal died in California.  His father's name was Luis Reixelo.  

"E"                                                             

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[Carolyn M]

“E”

  I and a couple of my cousins have family trees on Ancestry.com and we have my grandfather Antonio Reixelo listed.  The family you spotted coming from Hawaii on the S.S. Sonoma is my grandfather and his family; we have that on our family trees too.

  What we don’t have is a ships manifest showing Vitorino de Jesus Reixelo (Antonio’s brother) who left Porto in or around October 1911 for Brazil .  This manifest is what I am hoping to find.  It appears that Ancestry.com doesn't have this type of ship manifest information, not even in the card catalog.  So I will focus on Brazil and the Brazil links that have been so kindly provided.

  Thanks for your research!

Carolyn

[Cheri Mello]

Carolyn,

Ancestry is really American-centric.  They really don't have much for other countries outside of America.  The countries they do have seem to be English speaking (Canada, the UK).

[Isabella Baltar]

Carolyn,

I looked quickly for Vitorino Reixelo and I found Vitorino J Reixello in São Paulo, Brazil, in 1948. I believe it is him, too much of a coincidence not to be him. You are lucky!

At least you have a starting point now. I can send you the pdf; it is not a ship manifest. Please send me a private email and I will answer to you.

Isabella Baltar

myportuguesegen.blogspot.com

On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Isabella Baltar <myportu...@gmail.com> wrote:

Carolyn,

I'm wondering if you have the correct last name for Vitorino or Antonio. I never heard  Reixelo, if it is correct, it is very uncommon. Do you have any original document where you read that? Like a passport? Being uncommon, it will be easier.

Another question, do you know the destination of Vitorino in Brazil? The Brazilian cost is huge and Portuguese people had many destinations ports.

Isabella Baltar

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PORTUGAL AND AZORES: 

TERCEIRA: Ferreira Drummond, Valadão, Velho, Jacques, Vieira

SPAIN: Casasola Palermo, Peres Dias, Zurita Vilche, Jimenez Peres

BRAZIL:

PARAÍBA / PERNAMBUCO: Balthar/Rego Barros/Teixeira de Vasconcellos/Xavier Monteiro da Franca

CEARÁ: Barretto/Paschoa Loreto/Mello/Cavalcante

RIO DE JANEIRO:  Casasola Perez, Zurita Vilche

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PORTUGAL AND AZORES: 

TERCEIRA: Ferreira Drummond, Valadão, Velho, Jacques, Vieira

SPAIN: Casasola Palermo, Peres Dias, Zurita Vilche, Jimenez Peres

BRAZIL:

PARAÍBA / PERNAMBUCO: Balthar/Rego Barros/Teixeira de Vasconcellos/Xavier Monteiro da Franca

CEARÁ: Barretto/Paschoa Loreto/Mello/Cavalcante

RIO DE JANEIRO:  Casasola Perez, Zurita Vilche

[Bill Boyd]

They do have Brazil to Germany for free. I was able to find ship manifests from Salvador, Bahia, Brazil to Germany for a Conde who married a Swiss businessman. 

Although, I agree in general that it is very US centric....

Bill

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[Carolyn M]

Isabella,

Yes, this appears to be my great-uncle.  I do have a photocopy of his passport which shows his name as Vitorino Reixelo.  I will email you more information as well as a photocopy of his passport.

Thank you so much!
Carolyn

[Carolyn M]

Cheri,

One last comment…

 I recently attended some classes on Ancestry, and that was the instructor’s opinion as well, that Ancestry’s focus is primarily the U.S…and I agree.

  I don't know if this has been mentioned already regarding the UK section on Ancestry; it does show manifests with Portuguese emigrants coming in from other countries.  It's called:  UK Incoming Passenger Lists.

 The manifest that really surprised me was found on the UK Incoming Passenger Lists.  I always thought that my father caught a ship from Porto to England and then to Ellis Island, but in fact he went from Porto to River Plate, South America; from there he went to Liverpool, England and then caught a ship from Southampton, England to Ellis Island.  He is on a ship’s manifest list arriving in Liverpool.

 It’s the long way around, but apparently some emigrants took that route.

Thanks,

Carolyn

[Roberto Machado Velho]

I would like to add some information on the answer of Isabella Baltar.

The archives in Brazil are still being indexed.  But I tried some times read the list by myself on a specific boat and use the search function based on names.  Archives newer than 1896 or around looked to be indexed.  They are indexing it backwards. But given lot of names were written in the wrong form on arrival, the name in the index might not be the name you are looking for.

Extra information.  You must search the databases separately on port, Rio de Janeiro, Santos (state of Sao Paulo), Recife, Salvador (Bahia) - I believe these were the main ports to arrive.
By the year you are referring to, there were still portugueses earning lands on south of Brazil (today Santa Catarina and Rio Grande do Sul).  Independent of them moving to the south of Brazil, it was mandatory to stop in the ports (Rio or Santos) and register and then move to the South (I don' t know if this is your case).

If you imagine your family moved to the south of Brazil, let me know.  I have been in Porto Alegre some months ago and I could get the registers of the portuguese families that got land there from 1876 on (mainly Azoreans).  None of such archives are in digital form and they are getting destroyed in bad storage conditions.  I am still trying to organize what I could get.

Good luck,

Roberto Velho.

[Carolyn M]

Roberto,

 

Thank you for that information.  It would be very helpful to me if I could find out the name of the ship that Vitorino and his family took to Brazil in October 1911.  I would think there would be a database somewhere of ships and their routes with dates included.

 But could I search on these data bases that you suggested by a specific date, since I know that already?

 

Carolyn

[Tish M]

Hi group,

I must have gotten in the middle of this posting. Can someone post the link to the manifests?

Tish

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[Isabella Baltar]

Good morning Tish and Carolyn,

The ship manifests from Brazil that you find on Family Search database are only from Bahia (1855 – 1964) and São Paulo (1960 – 1982).  These records are only images, no indexing until the moment. So if you fit those dates, for those two places, you need to open one by one and read them to find your ancestor.

The ship manifests from Rio de Janeiro are digitized but they are not on Family Search database. You will have to search on the National Archives from Brazil to find the one you are looking for.

Links for those databases are on my blog, under Researching in Brazil, I cut and pasted below:

http://myportuguesegen.blogspot.com/p/researching-in-brazil_4.html

The first link you will find when you open the link above is the one for the Family Search database, in Brazil. You will need to scroll this page, at Family Search, in order to find the appropriate link to what you are looking for. There are several different links for different states.

Going back to My Portuguese Gen link, above, I added, on this same link/page, web addresses to:

Rio de Janeiro state, including a List of steamers and passengers manifests that arrived in Rio de Janeiro Port between 1805 – 1921. This is a partial database, constantly updated by the Brazilian National Archives, they are not indexed, they are images in a pdf format. You need to have at least a timeframe to research because this is a huge database with thousands of names.

and to

São Paulo State where I include links to the museum of immigration database, with ships lists, hospedarias and photos.

I try to simplify the search as much as possible separating them by state and I display specific links for what you can research on those databases.

If you have any other questions related, please let me know. I may take a few days to answer, but I will answer, just too busy at work.

Isabella Baltar

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[Tish M]

Isabella,

Thank you so much for your response. I know you mentioned these sites before, but at that time I had no leads. I now how a Isabella folder!

Thanks again,

Tish

[Tish M]

Hi Isabella (again),

I just went to your site. It's beautiful. Much different than when I was there last.

Very good work. Well worth a look from all google groupers.

Tish