Barcellos Family

[Roberto Barcellos]

Hi, my name is Roberto Barcellos and I want to retrieve information about Barcellos family. My great grandfather name is José Ferreira Barcellos, he married Jesuína das Mercedes in 1903 at Rio de Janeiro.

Jesuína's father, José Machado Teixeira died at 1904. The information I know is that José Machado lived in Biscoitos.

Does anyone have additional information about Barcellos family?

Thanks,
Roberto

[Cheri Mello]

You need to begin your search in Brasil. Then work your way back in time. Just because someone lived in the Azores does not necessarily mean they were born or married there.
Cheri

[linda]

Hi Roberto,

Welcome to the group.  If you can narrow down the date when your family members arrived in Brazil, you could try searching through the Angra Passport records right before that date.  The passport records are available through this link:

http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/passaportes/

The passport records generally include parents, marital state, age, and birthplace.  This information might help you identify potential leads.

Unfortunately, names are rarely unique, so you should use corroborating information before deciding that you've found an ancestor. 

One of my ancestors is also named "Jose Machado Teixeira" but he is about 100 years older than yours and lived on the other side of Terceira.  The other evening, I was searching through the Angra passport records between Jan 1893 and Dec 1894, and I'm nearly certain that I saw the name "Jose Machado Teixeira" because I recall double checking that name on my tree to be sure he wasn't my direct ancestor.  Perhaps he is yours-- but perhaps not!  I also have Barcellos in my family tree, so perhaps we are still related.

best of luck in your research,

Linda

["E" Sharp]

Roberto,

Don't know if you are familiar with U. S. records but their actual marriage record is on Ancestry.com (fee based) thru familysearch.org (free)  Just go to familysearch.org and put in Jesuina Das Mercedes and it should come up.  If you have problems, let me know.  I don't read/write Portuguese but it looks like it says her parents are from Portugal which could include the Azores.  I am trying to find more on them on Ancestry as I am a paying member. Some of my family went from mainland Portugal to Brazil made their fortune and returned to Portugal to live and sent their children to England for their education.  

'"E""

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Name:	Jesuina Das Mercêdes
Gender:	Female
Age:	21
Martial Status:	Single
Birth Year:	1882
Marriage Date:	18 jul 1903
Marriage Place:	05ª Circunscrição, Rio de Janeiro, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
Father Name:	Jose Machado
Mother Name:	Josepha Magdalena
Spouse Name:	José Ferreira Barcellos
FHL Film Number:	1365676

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["E" Sharp]

​Roberto,

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Can you please give me names of their children as I have access to some baptism records and maybe there is something on them.

"E"

["E" Sharp]

Here is record on familysearch.org

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XJ3R-1HP

"E"

[linda]

Hi Roberto and "E",

Using the bride's parent's names provided by "E", I had a quick look in the Terceira marriage index, and I found this record for Jose Machado Teixeira and Josefa Madalena:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-DOZERIBEIRAS-C-1880-1889/TER-AH-DOZERIBEIRAS-C-1880-1889_item1/P6.html

This record is from the parish of Doze Ribeiras, 1880.

I also saw a record for Jose Machado Teixeira marriage to Maria de Jesus 1857 from the parish of Biscoitos, and there are another 5 or 6  Jose Machado Teixeiras from other parishes

["E" Sharp]

Roberto and Linda,

There you go!! Just ask and you will receive on this list!

"E"

[linda]

Using E's record from Familysearch:

I did a quick search on the marriage index and found a record for Vicente Ferreira de Barcelos and Maria Jose do Socorro, 1851, Sao Bartolomeu parish:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOBARTOLOMEU-C-1842-1860/TER-AH-SAOBARTOLOMEU-C-1842-1860_item1/P55.html

Roberto,

these are good candidates for your ancestors, but you'll have to make the connections to your family in Brazil using immigration and baptismal records.

best of luck!

Linda

[linda]

:D

"E": Your leads were key! 

Roberto: best of luck with your research!  --Oh and, if your Jose Machado Teixeira does turn out to be the one from Doze Ribeiras, then we are likely cousins of some degree.

Linda

[Aaron Pereira]

Robert,
I know you had your ancestors civil marriage record, but here is their catholic church record, record # 97
https://goo.gl/aqVzJD
Church of Senhora da Gloria, Rio de Janeiro

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[Aaron Pereira]

Here is Jose Ferreira Barcellos' parents marriage... good luck with family research.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOBARTOLOMEU-C-1842-1860/TER-AH-SAOBARTOLOMEU-C-1842-1860_item1/P55.html

[Roberto Barcellos]

Thanks Aaron. This document will help me a lot.

[Roberto Barcellos]

Sharp,

Their children were brazilians and they were born in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. The names I know are: Álvaro Ferreira Barcellos (my grandfather) and José Ferreira Barcellos Filho.

[Roberto Barcellos]

Actually they got married on São João Baptista Church, Rio de Janeiro. Now I'm trying to read the record of his parent's marriage.
Do you know if there are boarding records from Azores to Brazil?

Thanks,
Roberto

[Roberto Barcellos]

Linda,

Find attached the annoucement of José Machado's death on a newspaper in Brazil.

The following can be found at: http://memoria.bn.br/DocReader/DocReader.aspx?bib=030015_02&pesq=jos%C3%A9%20ferreira%20barcellos

Thanks Roberto

[E. Sharp]

Roberto,

 

Yes there are boarding records…Passportes…do you have any idea of when they went from the Azores to Brazil?

 

“E”

[Roberto Barcellos]

E. Sharp,

The idea I have is that they came between 1857 (approximated  year of  José Ferreira's birthday) and 1903 (marriage year of José Ferreira and Jesuína in Brazil).

Thanks,
Roberto

[Roberto Barcellos]

E. Sharp,

I was Looking to the registry of the marriage of José Machado Teixeira and Josepha Magdalena I found that the date was 09/09/1880. So they may have come to Brazil between 1880 and 1903.

Thanks,
Roberto

["E" Sharp]

Roberto, 

I research only U. S. records.  Sorry, I do not do the Passportes.  They are too difficult for me as I do not read/write Portuguese. Others on this list  can probably be of more help to you on these.  Since they came from Terceira, they may also be able to tell you where they might have sailed from.   

Do you have the baptism records for Jesuina Mercedes and Jose Ferreira Barcellos?

"E"

[Roberto Barcellos]

Linda,

I don't if you already have a look but I found these records about Barcellos family between the years 1700-1750 on: http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GENEALOGIAS-TERCEIRA-COELHOBORGES/GENEALOGIAS-TERCEIRA-COELHOBORGES_item1/P84.html

There are other families on the Genealogia da Terceira manuscripts avaiable on: http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GENEALOGIAS-TERCEIRA-COELHOBORGES/GENEALOGIAS-TERCEIRA-COELHOBORGES_item1/index.html

Roberto

[Roberto Barcellos]

E. Sharp,

Could you please tell me where can I find these boarding records from Azores to Brazil?

Thanks,
Roberto

Em quinta-feira, 29 de outubro de 2015 14:30:34 UTC-2, E. Sharp escreveu:

[Roberto Barcellos]

E,

No, I don't have these records. I would like to make a research from boarding records related to the ships that left Azores between the years 1880 to 1903.

Thanks,

Roberto

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[Cheri Mello]

Emigration out of the Azores are held by the CCA. That series of records is called the Passaportes. They cover all 3 ports (Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel, Angra on Terceira, and Horta on Faial). Each time period is different too and the 3 ports collected the information differently.

You can access the Passaportes series directly from the CCA site at http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/

or through Tombo.pt at: http://tombo.pt/d/acores

At Tombo, the are on the front page, no drilling down to find the records.

And what you see is all that exists. If you see missing years, it's because those books went missing.

Cheri Mello
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Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

[Roberto Barcellos]

Thanks Cheri.

I was confusing about emigration records. I thought that there were information about ships that left azores additionally to the passportes records.

Thanks for the help.

Roberto

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[Cheri Mello]

The only thing I know about ships is from an American perspective. In America, they recorded the inbound ships, when the arrived and what port they left from and the date. From that, we figure it out.

[Sonia Pacheco]

These records *do* exist but they are not grouped together in a single Portuguese archive, or even archival collection.
I found a whole series of them (about 20-25 departures) for the years around 1896-1911 in the correspondence files of the general government administration (Torre do Tombo), while looking for something completely different.

The American passenger lists are in fact exact duplicates of the list that was generated by the ship based upon the passports that were shown to the captain. A copy of that list traveled on the ship and was handed to the emigration officer who--was fluent in Portuguese--and copied it into the format that was used by the American authorities.

Sonia

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[Ângela Loura]

The date on the CCA "Passaportes" list doesn't reflect the date that people travelled.

I found a relative on the CCA "Passaportes" of Ponta Delgada dated May 23, and the ship's passengers list "At port of arrival" (Boston, June 3) states that the ship left São Miguel on May 28.

[Cheri Mello]

People could register on that day that the ship left, they could register a week before, a month before, etc. When I need to travel, I don't buy my plane ticket that day. I could buy it a few weeks before to a few months before.

[Roberto Barcellos]

Sonia, could you please send me the link where you found tese records?

Thanks

[Roberto Barcellos]

Cheri,

I've found some records from ships that arrived on Brazil. But these records covers a short period of time from 1876 to 1880.

That's the link:

http://www.an.gov.br/sian/principal_pesquisa.asp?busca=multinivel/multinivel_consulta4.asp?v_codReferenciaPai_ID=567717

The ships were called Terceirense.

Thanks.

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[linda]

Roberto,

Thank you very much for the links.  I had not seen that information and will put it in my file for later reference. 

Some of the other genealogias available on culturaacores.gov.pt also have Barcellos families in them.  Sometimes it is spelled "Bracellos."  Fenix Angrense is one of these books. 

http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FENIXANGRENSE-PARTEGENEALOGICA/FENIXANGRENSE-PARTEGENEALOGICA_item1/P152.html

Starting out, I think the best strategy is to use the immigration records to link your family to an island and freguesia in the Azores.  Then use the marriage and baptismal records as primary sources to build your family tree.

After you have your avore genealogia, then you can try to tie it in to the secondary records like these books.

I believe I saw the name Jose Machado Teixeira in the Passportes in Angra somewhere in 1893 or 1894 when I was searching them a few days ago.  If you have no other leads for his immigration date, you could try then.

best of luck in your researches,

Linda

[Roberto Barcellos]

Hi Linda,

I found the passport of José Ferreira de Barcellos on: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-TER-1890-1896/PASSAPORTES-TER-1890-1896_item1/P146.html 

I thought that I would found their parents passports on the same page. Their age is written there but i'm not sure if is 37. If it is correct he was born on 1857.

Thanks for the tips.

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[linda]

Hi Roberto,

That's great!

You are correct.  Jose's age is 37.  Compare the digits to the other numbers written by that clerk.  His "3" always has a serif stroke on top and on bottom, but his "8" is consistently made like a simple infinity sign (no extra ornamentation).  His "7" has a top stroke, but his "1" has light leading stroke.

There are sometimes mistakes in the records, but usually they are quite accurate.  There's a very good chance you will find his baptismal record in Biscoitos in 1857.

This is a guess: I see that Jose is called a proprietario.  I noticed that many of the emmigrants to Brazil in 1893 and 1894 are described as proprietarios.  The proportion of proprietarios to trabalhadores in these years in the passports seems very high to me.  I suspect that many of these proprietarios were not leaving the Azores for the first time.  I think that they were going back to Brazil and were property owners in Brazil.  If my idea is correct, then Jose might have originally emmigrated at an earlier date and was in Terceira in 1894 on a visit home.   

I also noticed a number of emmigrants taking their children with them, and these children were listed as "natural de Rio de Janeiro".  These families were obviously going back to Brazil after a visit to the Azores.  I also saw several men and women over 60 traveling to Brazil.  These people usually appeared to be traveling alone, and I assumed that they were going to join sons and daughters in Brazil.  Perhaps the parents traveled a few months after the children?  Perhaps try looking onward through the passports for another six months?

Wishing much more success with your researches,

Linda

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[Roberto Barcellos]

Hi Linda,

I didn't find his baptismal record in Biscoitos. I'll try to find in São Bartolomeu dos Regatos, the city that his parents got married. I think that he were going to Brazil to never come back, because the ticket was very expensive on that time and I noticed from historical records that the Brazilian Government offered to pay the tickets for portuguese imigrants.

For me proprietario says that people own their business in Terceira. I think that it was difficult for the government of Terceira to know who were proprietario or trabalhador in another country.

Thanks again.

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[linda]

Hi Roberto,

It's very frustrating not to find a record, I know.  I wish you much success in your search.

I hope that others on the forum who are more experienced than I will correct me if I'm making an error (it happens... alot).  I understand that at the beginning of the 20th century and earlier in the Azores, "proprietario" described a landowner.  Land was worked under a more or less medieval tenant farmer system.  Social mobility was very limited. On the parish records, you can see men described as campones, trabalhadors, lavradors, and proprietarios.  I'm not sure where the lines between the categories were drawn, but I imagine they knew very well. 

For the Passportes, I would guess that the information was self-reported by the applicants.   I make many guesses ;^)

Roberto, much, much luck!  I'll keep an eye out for the names of your people as I go through the records for my own,

best wishes,

Linda

On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 9:15:50 AM UTC-8, Roberto Barcellos wrote:

Hi Linda,

I didn't find his baptismal record in Biscoitos. I'll try to find in São Bartolomeu dos Regatos, the city that his parents got married. I think that he were going to Brazil to never come back, because the ticket was very expensive on that time and I noticed from historical records that the Brazilian Government offered to pay the tickets for portuguese imigrants.

For me proprietario says that people own their business in Terceira. I think that it was difficult for the government of Terceira to know who were proprietario or trabalhador in another country.

Thanks again.

[Aaron Pereira]

  Robert,

I believe this is Jose's baptism...very bottom, left hand side of page.  The parents are Vicente Ferreira and Maria Jose.  One of the Godparents is a Barcellos.  Ideally, you would've liked to have seen Vicente Ferreira Barcellos and Maria Jose do Soccoro.  I would suggest looking for a marriage record for this couple, and if you find one, then you can rule out this baptism.  I see the birth as November 26, 1855, and the baptism as December 9th.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-BISCOITOS-B-1844-1860/TER-PV-BISCOITOS-B-1844-1860_item1/P97.html

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[Roberto Barcellos]

Thanks again Linda. Can we confirm that Jose was born in Biscoitos?

Roberto

[Roberto Barcellos]

Thanks again Aaron. I received the record of his parents marriage and it was in São Bartolomeu dos Regatos. I saw in his passport that he was 37  in 1894. I thought that he was born in 1857 but with this record I'm in doubt about what record is correct.

Roberto 

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[linda]

Hi Roberto,

I think it is very likely that the baptismal record that Aaron found (wow!) is the one for your grandfather.  The other evidence is good, even if the date on the passport register is off.  The date is only off by a bit over a year.  The connection with Biscoitos is good, and the baptism occurs about four years after the date we have for the parents' marriage.  If you find that there are more family connections to Biscoitos, that will strengthen the case for the record belong to your Jose.

I checked to see if there were any other Vincente Ferreiras married to Maria Jose/Josefas in the Terceira Marriage Index, and I only found two in the mid 1800's.  One couple was married in Conceicao in 1869 and the other, in Villa Nova in 1813.  So, there are no other apparent candidates. 

With more pieces of evidence, the balance could change, but it seems a good record to go forward with.  You can check the Biscoitos baptismal records backwards and forwards from Jose's record to see you can find siblings.  Often the parents names in records for other children will be recorded differently (more information or less) depending on the individual priest writing the record. 

If you don't find a record in the year you expect it to be, it's always a good idea to widen your search to a few years before and after.  The ages reported in the records are often very accurate, but not always-- especially, in my experience, the ages reported on the obitos.

The Terceira Marriage Index is a very valuable resource.  Here's a link provided by Cheri (thanks again Cheri!! :) in another thread:

http://www.bparah.azores.gov.pt/pdfs/bparah-indices-casamentos_da_Ilha_Terceira.pdf



Good luck Roberto!

Linda

[Roberto Barcellos]

Dear all,

I'm sorry I forgot to mention that the record I'm looking for is the one of José Ferreira Barcellos as shown on the file attached.

Thanks,

Roberto

2015-11-18 8:36 GMT-02:00 Roberto Barcellos <robertob...@gmail.com>:

Dear all,

Could anyone who have access to ancestry.com  send me the file that can be found on the link below?

http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gl=allgs&gss=sfs28_ms_f-2_s&new=1&rank=1&msT=1&gsfn=Daria&gsln=Ferreira%20Barcellos&msfng=jos%C3%A9&msfns=ferreira%20barcellos&msmng=Jesuina&msmns=Das%20Merc%C3%AAdes&cp=0&catbucket=r&uidh=000

Thanks,

Roberto