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David

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Mar 16, 2025, 12:26:20 PM3/16/25
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I'd like to start work on this next week:


Not too much to note that caught my eye: it's about 117K words, usual smattering of verse and letters, but no special formatting that I noticed.

If this looks okay, I'll ping my repo when I've made a start. Thanks!

David / Fife, UK

Alex Cabal

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Alex Cabal

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Robin will manage this with Emma reviewing

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David

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As I cleaned up `body.xhtml`, I noticed that my scans source was missing some text, so this is now what I'm using:

And I also noticed that there are five pieces of music provided as the book draws to a close: one embedded in the final chapter, and four more following the Epilogue, as a sort of appendix. I assume we want to retain those, so I'll have to lean very heavily on our Music Score How-To for this. We'll see how that goes!

D.

Robin Whittleton

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Sounds like a plan!

-Robin

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David

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A little bit of advice, Robin, while I'm proofreading? I've left creation of the four (one is repeated) musical scores that come at the end of the book.

I'm making decent progress on them in Musescore3 (apparently Mu4 is not well supported under Ubuntu, and I shouldn't need the v4 features), and good to know you're an expert. :) 

My main question just now is about the formatting used in the scans (linked above): should I be using Blackletter for tune names, as in the scans? I see we have a blackletter "default", and my hunch is that this should be used for setting this music on the "page" of the ebook. Is that correct? If yes, then at least Jude provides some precedents to work from.

Thanks for guidance on this! D.

Alex Cabal

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If you do need a blackletter font you can embed Standard Blackletter in
the ebook itself: https://github.com/standardebooks/standard-blackletter

It is a CC0 font created by David Grigg for Standard Ebooks from PD page
scans of a blackletter specimen.

On 3/21/25 8:01 AM, David wrote:
> A little bit of advice, Robin, while I'm proofreading? I've left
> creation of the four (one is repeated) musical scores
> <https://archive.org/details/John_Meade_Falkner_The_Nebuly_Coat/page/n373/mode/2up> that come at the end of the book.
>
> I'm making decent progress on them in Musescore3 (apparently Mu4 is not
> well supported under Ubuntu, and I shouldn't need the v4 features
> <https://groups.google.com/g/standardebooks/c/7jOFJ038HGA/m/h-f0TWi6AQAJ>), and good to know you're an expert. :)
>
> My main question just now is about the formatting used in the scans
> (linked above): should I be using Blackletter for tune names, as in the
> scans? I see we have a blackletter "default"
> <https://groups.google.com/g/standardebooks/c/_YQg8DLo9tc/m/Rc9XOIv7CAAJ>, and my hunch is that this should be used for setting this music on the "page" of the ebook. Is that correct? If yes, then at least /Jude/ provides some precedents to work from.
>
> Thanks for guidance on this! D.
>
> On Monday, 17 March 2025 at 17:32:18 UTC robin wrote:
>
> Sounds like a plan!
>
> -Robin
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David

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Mar 25, 2025, 8:28:31 AM3/25/25
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Thanks, Alex. And so Robin — a few items as this gets close to done:

(1) I'd like to use that blackletter to follow the way the musical appendix is laid out in the printed version. E.g.,

Screenshot from 2025-03-25 12-04-50.png
Just for confirmation: I am expecting to provide "At 3 o’clock...New Sabbath" as a `header` to the music SVG which follows, is that right? I.e., no `figcaption` in this case (well, "these cases": there's four of them).

The PG version inlines two footnotes that refer to two of the four pieces. I'm planning to restore those to endnotes in the SE edition. (They're quite intrusive otherwise.)

(2) I'm not sure what to provide for `alt` text for the pieces: would simply providing the title suffice? or are we looking for detailed information about the score??

(3) Do these pieces of music require an LoI? I'm not sure that readers will want to "return" to these scores — not like a map in a whodunnit. And I think a good number of SE productions with music do *not* have an LoI, but I'm looking for guidance here.

(4) Cover!! I have invested a good amount of time in looking for possibilities. A couple from our DB could work, and one other I've found. (One of the main "characters" of the book is the church, Cullerne Minster, which is a parish church, but would not be out of place as a cathedral: Durham is said to be one model for it. It's in need of repair and [spoiler alert] there is a disaster near the end of the story...):

A. From DB, Intérieur de l'église Saint-Gervais... , but I'm not sure I want the cover to signal one of the last events in the narrative on the cover...

cover-nebuly-eglise-480x720.jpg

B. Also from DB: Verfallene Kapelle, although Cullerne Minster is not in such disrepair as this place (the moodiness is good, and there are night scenes in the church):

cover-kapelle-480x720.jpg

C. St Peter's Church, Brighton (CC0), could be as we look at the church from the architect's lodgings (but a bit crude?)-

cover-st_peters-480x720.jpg

Any cover thoughts/responses (or "keep looking!") welcome.

Thanks! D.

Robin Whittleton

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1. There’s no problem in putting a figcaption before the contents, and I think that works here. It’d be styled slightly differently to our normal figcaption defaults, but I think that’s OK for this specific case. On the other hand, if you think a header makes more sense then go with that.

2. There’s not much we can do here. Maybe one sentence on the piece? e.g. “A music score in 3 2 time, arranged in D major with treble and bass staves.”

3. No LoI needed in my opinion, this is supplementary material.

4. They all look suitably moody. Is there one you prefer? (I’ve not read the book by my eye is drawn to 2, for what it’s worth.)

-Robin

On 25 Mar 2025, at 13:28, David <djre...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks, Alex. And so Robin — a few items as this gets close to done:

(1) I'd like to use that blackletter to follow the way the musical appendix is laid out in the printed version. E.g.,

<Screenshot from 2025-03-25 12-04-50.png>
Just for confirmation: I am expecting to provide "At 3 o’clock...New Sabbath" as a `header` to the music SVG which follows, is that right? I.e., no `figcaption` in this case (well, "these cases": there's four of them).

The PG version inlines two footnotes that refer to two of the four pieces. I'm planning to restore those to endnotes in the SE edition. (They're quite intrusive otherwise.)

(2) I'm not sure what to provide for `alt` text for the pieces: would simply providing the title suffice? or are we looking for detailed information about the score??

(3) Do these pieces of music require an LoI? I'm not sure that readers will want to "return" to these scores — not like a map in a whodunnit. And I think a good number of SE productions with music do *not* have an LoI, but I'm looking for guidance here.

(4) Cover!! I have invested a good amount of time in looking for possibilities. A couple from our DB could work, and one other I've found. (One of the main "characters" of the book is the church, Cullerne Minster, which is a parish church, but would not be out of place as a cathedral: Durham is said to be one model for it. It's in need of repair and [spoiler alert] there is a disaster near the end of the story...):

A. From DB, Intérieur de l'église Saint-Gervais... , but I'm not sure I want the cover to signal one of the last events in the narrative on the cover...

<cover-nebuly-eglise-480x720.jpg>

B. Also from DB: Verfallene Kapelle, although Cullerne Minster is not in such disrepair as this place (the moodiness is good, and there are night scenes in the church):

<cover-kapelle-480x720.jpg>

C. St Peter's Church, Brighton (CC0), could be as we look at the church from the architect's lodgings (but a bit crude?)-

<cover-st_peters-480x720.jpg>

Any cover thoughts/responses (or "keep looking!") welcome.

Thanks! D.

On Friday, 21 March 2025 at 14:19:03 UTC Alex Cabal wrote:
If you do need a blackletter font you can embed Standard Blackletter in
the ebook itself: https://github.com/standardebooks/standard-blackletter

It is a CC0 font created by David Grigg for Standard Ebooks from PD page
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David

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Mar 25, 2025, 1:27:31 PM3/25/25
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Thanks on all fronts, Robin. For the cover, I'm glad to know you're inclined to "B" (Verfallene Kapelle) as it suits the mood of the book very nicely, and I don't think the missing glazing in the painting is a problem. So let's go with that, then?

Hopefully I can work out `figcaption` CSS for the appendix; I think I've encountered analogous layouts before.

I've got the scores done in Musescore 3 (they sound nice!), and hopefully the SVGs will not prove too troublesome.

D.

On Tuesday, 25 March 2025 at 16:52:26 UTC robin wrote:
1. There’s no problem in putting a figcaption before the contents, and I think that works here. It’d be styled slightly differently to our normal figcaption defaults, but I think that’s OK for this specific case. On the other hand, if you think a header makes more sense then go with that.

2. There’s not much we can do here. Maybe one sentence on the piece? e.g. “A music score in 3 2 time, arranged in D major with treble and bass staves.”

3. No LoI needed in my opinion, this is supplementary material.

4. They all look suitably moody. Is there one you prefer? (I’ve not read the book by my eye is drawn to 2, for what it’s worth.)

-Robin

Robin Whittleton

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Great, I’ll assign it to this production.

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David

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As I suspected I would, I'm struggling to get the CSS correct for the headings/figcaptions for the scores (example) in the appendix. Likely, I'm getting more than one thing wrong. :)

At the moment, I've got this arrangement for placing the SVG:

<figure class="full-page" id="illustration-2">
<figcaption>
<span>At 3 o’clock.</span>
<span>New Sabbath</span>
</figcaption>
<img alt="A score for the Long Metre (8.8.8.8) hymn tune “New Sabbath” in D, scored in SATB for chimes in 3/2 time." src="../images/illustration-1.svg" epub:type="z3998:illustration se:image.color-depth.black-on-transparent"/>
</figure>


And I'm using this (in addition to the CSS figure rules from SEMoS) for an attempt to place that heading text to correspond to the scans (also == the normal layout for choral score, hymnbooks, etc.):

figcaption{
display: flex;
justify-content: space-between;
}

The "At 3 o'clock" and "New Sabbath" strings get shunted left/right, of course, but they bear no relationship to the width of the image (also of course), unless, perchance, the viewport happens to get close, e.g.:

Screenshot from 2025-03-28 17-04-31.png

So ... I feel a bit stuck. (I haven't even tried to play with the Blackletter font yet - no point until I can get the basics right!). Or is there another, better approach to achieve the goal? Any tips/tricks/guidance greatly appreciated!

D.
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Alex Cabal

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Images are not sized as you would expect in CSS, they have an "intrinsic
size" that may differ from the calculated size of the containing box.
(Consider a box which has a small fixed width and contains a very wide
image; the image will overflow out of the box even though the box has a
small fixed width.)

You have to specify the width of the image itself in CSS, which is not a
great solution because then if the viewport changes the image might be
incorrectly sized; or you can try using CSS like `object-fit` to try to
resize its intrinsic size into its container.

On 3/28/25 12:06 PM, David wrote:
> As I suspected I would, I'm struggling to get the CSS correct for the
> headings/figcaptions for the scores (example
> <https://08453310483729102052.googlegroups.com/attach/60ca83865bfb2/Screenshot%20from%202025-03-25%2012-04-50.png?part=0.2&view=1&vt=ANaJVrENspXlVJzFOyzEYiR8pXwomcqRbWjDm7eD6NER43G6mWmhJ6XijKtZ4mexnZI2GYGCygGxHCfSHf31tzX1F9VQ8cnyrV54OLy5rGrzp2xBU_8J5_o>) in the appendix <https://archive.org/details/John_Meade_Falkner_The_Nebuly_Coat/page/n371/mode/2up>. Likely, I'm getting more than one thing wrong. :)
>
> At the moment, I've got this arrangement for placing the SVG:
>
> <figure class="full-page" id="illustration-2">
> <figcaption>
> <span>At 3 o’clock.</span>
> <span>New Sabbath</span>
> </figcaption>
> <img alt="A score for the Long Metre (8.8.8.8) hymn tune “New Sabbath”
> in D, scored in SATB for chimes in 3/2 time."
> src="../images/illustration-1.svg" epub:type="z3998:illustration
> se:image.color-depth.black-on-transparent"/>
> </figure>
>
> And I'm using this (in addition to the CSS figure rules
> <https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.1/single-page#7.8.5.2> from
> SEMoS) for an attempt to place that heading text to correspond to the
> scans (also == the normal layout for choral score, hymnbooks, etc.):
>
> figcaption{
> display: flex;
> justify-content: space-between;
> }
>
> The "At 3 o'clock" and "New Sabbath" strings get shunted left/right, of
> course, but they bear no relationship to the width of the image (also of
> course), unless, perchance, the viewport happens to get close, e.g.:
>
> Screenshot from 2025-03-28 17-04-31.png
>
> So ... I feel a bit stuck. (I haven't even tried to play with the
> Blackletter font yet - no point until I can get the basics right!). Or
> is there another, better approach to achieve the goal? Any
> tips/tricks/guidance greatly appreciated!
>
> D.
>
>> On 25 Mar 2025, at 18:27, David wrote
>
>> Hopefully I can work out `figcaption` CSS for the appendix; I
>> think I've encountered analogous layouts before.
>>
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Emma Sweeney

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Could you send a copy of your illustration-2.svg file?

Emma

David

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Thanks Emma - I'm happy for anyone to take a look!

I've put all the files for "illustration-2" into a temporary repo - hopefully that will do the trick.

(In my earlier post, I realize the "code" I posted had "illustration-1.svg" in the `img` element, a mistake obviously!)

And thanks, too, for those notes, Alex. I tried "object-fit", but it only works on "replaced elements" like images, not on the `figcaption` text.

Grateful for the assistance!

D

David

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Okay, this is NOT yet ready for review, but the only thing standing in the way is those musical scores...

(1) One issue is that lint throws a "f-018" error: "Image greater than 4,000,000 pixels square in dimension." So I guess that means making them "smaller", but with SVGs I'm never quite sure what that means. There are five "illustration" files. #1 is a partial score (which is in chapter-23.xhtml) of one of the further four full scores (which are all in appendix.xhtml). So the dimensions of the SVGs need help.

(2) The other thing is the placement of the text that accompanies the music. I've taken a stab at it, but I'm sure it's wrong. I'm wondering if it would be better simply to include that "heading" in the SVG itself. (I've also used the Blackletter which does look the part. :)

Once those two matters (scale of SVGs; managing the accompanying text) are sorted, it will be ready for review.

Thanks for any assistance with this!

D.

Emma Sweeney

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2. I think I figured out the issue. It looks like having `height: 100vh;` on the <img> element squishes the headers over the sides of the scores. All I did was remove that styling property and adjusted the header margins.

changed CSS:

...
/* figcaption values adapted for appendix.xhtml */

figcaption{
display: flex;
justify-content: space-between;
margin: 0 1em;
}
...
@supports(display: flex){
figure.full-page{
display: flex;
flex-direction: column;
}

figure.full-page img{
object-fit: contain;
}
}
...

Calibre:

Screenshot from 2025-03-30 13-33-16.png


Emma

David

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That looks brilliant, Emma — thanks!

I'll see what I can do about resizing the SVGs. I've got a busy few days coming up, and I find working with SVGs quite fiddly, but hopefully this will be ready in the coming week some time. (And if there's any light to be shed on the ideal dimensions for these scores, I'd be interested to know!)

D.

Robin Whittleton

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On the SVGs, your first at least is 2200 x 2120 = 4,664,000 pixels. This absolutely isn’t a problem for SVGs, but for compatible EPUBs they’re rendered as PNGs which then potentially get really large for ereaders.

You can resize them easily enough in Inkscape by opening the SVG, selecting everything, locking the aspect ratio in the menu bar (lock icon between the width and height), then halving the width and running Edit / Resize page to selection. That’ll get you a quarter of the pixels in the final output.

-Robin

On 30 Mar 2025, at 20:52, David <djre...@gmail.com> wrote:

That looks brilliant, Emma — thanks! 

I'll see what I can do about resizing the SVGs. I've got a busy few days coming up, and I find working with SVGs quite fiddly, but hopefully this will be ready in the coming week some time. (And if there's any light to be shed on the ideal dimensions for these scores, I'd be interested to know!)

D.

On Sunday, 30 March 2025 at 19:00:31 UTC+1 Emma Sweeney wrote:
2. I think I figured out the issue. It looks like having `height: 100vh;` on the <img> element squishes the headers over the sides of the scores. All I did was remove that styling property and adjusted the header margins.

changed CSS:

...
/* figcaption values adapted for appendix.xhtml */

figcaption{
display: flex;
justify-content: space-between;
margin: 0 1em;
}
...
@supports(display: flex){
figure.full-page{
display: flex;
flex-direction: column;
}

figure.full-page img{
object-fit: contain;
}
}
...

Calibre:

<Screenshot from 2025-03-30 13-33-16.png>


Emma
On Sunday, March 30, 2025 at 12:54:44 PM UTC-4 David wrote:
Okay, this is NOT yet ready for review, but the only thing standing in the way is those musical scores...

(1) One issue is that lint throws a "f-018" error: "Image greater than 4,000,000 pixels square in dimension." So I guess that means making them "smaller", but with SVGs I'm never quite sure what that means. There are five "illustration" files. #1 is a partial score (which is in chapter-23.xhtml) of one of the further four full scores (which are all in appendix.xhtml). So the dimensions of the SVGs need help.

(2) The other thing is the placement of the text that accompanies the music. I've taken a stab at it, but I'm sure it's wrong. I'm wondering if it would be better simply to include that "heading" in the SVG itself. (I've also used the Blackletter which does look the part. :)

Once those two matters (scale of SVGs; managing the accompanying text) are sorted, it will be ready for review.

Thanks for any assistance with this!
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David

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Thanks, Robin - that got me the rest of the way there.

And this IS now ready for review, Emma: https://github.com/dajare/john-meade-falkner_the-nebuly-coat

I'm a little nervous about this one! For such a straightforward production on the face of it, it seemed like there were plenty of niggles. Here are some notes:
  • c6/52 - styled antiphon with `q` wrapper
  • c11/20 - used `epub:type="z3998:surname"` for <i> semantic for music attribution; this is almost certainly wrong, but I wasn't sure what else to do (it's not a title, I don't think).
  • c11/77 - `A.B.C.` appears in a book title and I've left as-is
  • c15/54 - note/letter in italics in original; retained in `em` tags (seemed appropriate)
  • c16/67 - `Compleat` not modernized as it is part of the title of a very old book
  • c21/80 the “Ingoldsby Legends,” : by the time of the scene in the novel (mid-1860s), this was a book; I have left it as-is, because the way it is referred to it seems as if these are new stories in a magazine (as they were originally in the 1840s), which I take to be another fictional tweak of Falkner's. (There are others)
  • one "mismatched diacritic" = different language
  • you've already seen the SVGs, but my latest versions could use some scrutiny, of course (all sized as SVGs to have 1100 as width). You'll notice I've added some space between the scores in the Appendix; my CSS might not be the most elegant, but the space wasn't needed for the first score, only the subsequent three.
I think that's it from my end; hope it's a help.

Thanks! D.

Emma Sweeney

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Great work! I filed some issues in the repository.

Emma

Emma Sweeney

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Alex, this is ready for you.

Emma

Alex Cabal

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Great work David, I've released it, thanks!

On 4/1/25 10:43 AM, Emma Sweeney wrote:
> Alex, this is ready for you.
>
> Emma
> On Monday, March 31, 2025 at 12:17:52 PM UTC-4 Emma Sweeney wrote:
>
> Great work! I filed some issues in the repository.
>
> Emma
> On Monday, March 31, 2025 at 6:38:48 AM UTC-4 David wrote:
>
> Thanks, Robin - that got me the rest of the way there.
>
> And this IS now ready for review, Emma:
> https://github.com/dajare/john-meade-falkner_the-nebuly-coat
> <https://github.com/dajare/john-meade-falkner_the-nebuly-coat>
>
> I'm a little nervous about this one! For such a straightforward
> production on the face of it, it seemed like there were plenty
> of niggles. Here are some notes:
>
> * c6/52 - styled antiphon with `q` wrapper
> * c11/20 - used `epub:type="z3998:surname"` for <i> semantic
> for music attribution
> <https://archive.org/details/John_Meade_Falkner_The_Nebuly_Coat/page/n157/mode/2up?q=wise&view=theater>; this is almost certainly wrong, but I wasn't sure what else to do (it's not a title, I don't think).
> * c11/77 - `A.B.C.` appears in a book title
> <https://archive.org/details/John_Meade_Falkner_The_Nebuly_Coat/page/n165/mode/2up?q=Gothic&view=theater> and I've left as-is
> * c15/54 - note/letter in italics in original; retained in
> `em` tags (seemed appropriate)
> * c16/67 - `Compleat` not modernized as it is part of the
> title of a very old book
> * c21/80 the “Ingoldsby Legends,” : by the time of the scene
> in the novel (mid-1860s), this was a book
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ingoldsby_Legends>; I
> have left it as-is, because the way it is referred to it
> seems as if these are new stories in a magazine (as they
> were originally in the 1840s), which I take to be another
> fictional tweak of Falkner's. (There are others)
> * one "mismatched diacritic" = different language
> * you've already seen the SVGs, but my latest versions could
> use some scrutiny, of course (all sized as SVGs to have 1100
> as width). You'll notice I've added some space between the
> scores in the Appendix; my CSS might not be the most
> elegant, but the space wasn't needed for the first score,
> only the subsequent three.
>
> I think that's it from my end; hope it's a help.
>
> Thanks! D.
>
> On Sunday, 30 March 2025 at 21:21:02 UTC+1 robin wrote:
>
> On the SVGs, your first at least is 2200 x 2120 = 4,664,000
> pixels. This absolutely isn’t a problem for SVGs, but for
> compatible EPUBs they’re rendered as PNGs which then
> potentially get really large for ereaders.
>
> You can resize them easily enough in Inkscape by opening the
> SVG, selecting everything, locking the aspect ratio in the
> menu bar (lock icon between the width and height), then
> halving the width and running Edit / Resize page to
> selection. That’ll get you a quarter of the pixels in the
> final output.
>
> -Robin
>
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