What should we do if AI becomes conscious?

[John Clark]

What should we do if AI becomes conscious? These scientists say it’s time for a plan

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[Giulio Prisco]

On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 3:28 PM John Clark <johnk...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> What should we do if AI becomes conscious? These scientists say it’s time for a plan
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It's time for wonder.

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[Lawrence Crowell]

How would we really know that it has become conscious, even if it assumes consciousness?

LC

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[John Clark]

On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 12:35 PM Lawrence Crowell <goldenfield...@gmail.com> wrote:

> How would we really know that it has become conscious,

The same way we know when one of our fellow human beings is conscious, when they start behaving intelligently… but AIs are already doing that of course. So the only logical conclusion is obvious.  

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[Brent Allsop]

We will know, absolutely, not only what is and isn't conscious, but what it is like to be that conscious  entity.

We have a world in our head made of phenomenal qualities or qualia that are "like something".

If anything is "conscious" it must also have qualia which can be "subjectively bound".

And someday, once we start hacking brains, we'll have "neural ponytails" which we'll be able to use to subjectively bind to, upload our knowledge of our spirits into other conscious entities and such, as portrayed in the movie Avatar.

Not only will neuro ponytails infallibly prove what is and isn't conscious, it will let us experience, directly, what it is like.

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[John Clark]

On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 5:12 PM Brent Allsop <brent....@gmail.com> wrote:

> We will know, absolutely, not only what is and isn't conscious,

What's with this "we" business?  I know for a fact that I'm conscious, you might be conscious but I can't be certain. 

John K Clark

 

On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 10:35 AM Lawrence Crowell <goldenfield...@gmail.com> wrote:

How would we really know that it has become conscious, even if it assumes consciousness?

LC

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What should we do if AI becomes conscious? These scientists say it’s time for a plan

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[Brent Allsop]

Hi John,

Subjective binding enables us to directly (infallibly) experience  more than one quality in a unified experience.

This enables the left hemisphere of your brain to directly (infallibly) experience qualities in the other hemisphere.

In other words, the left hemisphere of your brain knows absolutely, not only that it is not the only conscious hemisphere, but it knows what the qualities in the other hemisphere are like.

Why would we not be able to do this same thing between brains with neural ponytails?

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[John Clark]

On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 9:39 PM Brent Allsop <brent....@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi John,

Subjective binding enables us to directly (infallibly) experience  more than one quality in a unified experience. This enables the left hemisphere of your brain to directly (infallibly) experience qualities in the other hemisphere.

But you do not know what it would be like to be just the left part of Brent Allsop's Brain or just the right part, and if the corpus callosum that connects the two hemispheres of the brain were cut then neither Brent Allsop Right nor Brent Allsop Left would know what it's like to be Mr.Brent Allsop Right+Left because that person no longer exists. What the split brain experiments tell us is that if you split the brain then you also split the mind, exactly what you would expect if materialism is true. 

 John K Clark

[Keith Henson]

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[Brent Allsop]

Does this work?  Does anyone use this?

If so, I might like to try it.

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[Brent Allsop]

Exactly, but you are still ignoring the fact of the state of things before the split.

Likewise, the state of two brains becoming Brentjohn.

But of course, there is only very small amounts of stuff I'd want to share, likely only the qualities of what redness is like, and nothing else.

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[John Clark]

On Sat, Dec 14, 2024 at 2:57 PM Brent Allsop <brent....@gmail.com> wrote:

> Exactly, but you are still ignoring the fact of the state of things before the split.

Likewise, the state of two brains becoming Brentjohn. But of course, there is only very small amounts of stuff I'd want to share, likely only the qualities of what redness is like, and nothing else.

That won't work because to be meaningful qualia needs contrast, and so does everything else, that's why the best definition of nothingness I know of is infinite unbounded homogeneity. If I couldn't tell the difference between red light and green light and blue light then it would be meaningless to ask if I saw the world in red and black, or green and black, or blue and black, or white and black. You want to know if the relationship my brain has when I see  light that I call ''red" is the same as the relationship your brain has when you see light that you call ''red", and for that all of my brain and all of your brain is needed because our brains are more than just a mechanism for determining if red light is being observed. 

John K Clark 

[Keith Henson]

On Sat, Dec 14, 2024 at 11:54 AM Brent Allsop <brent....@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Does this work? Does anyone use this?
> If so, I might like to try it.

I have been using Nicotinamide Riboside for more than 10 years.
Thousands of references on the net.

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