Diabetes and the Obesity Paradox

[casper]

As this article discusses not only do a majority of those overweight not
becom diabetic, but many who are diabetic were not over weight at
diagnosis.

In fact being within the normal weight range for someone who is diabetic
has a risk factor for some of them.

As this study once again demonstrates, anyone who proposes a simple single
cause for type 2 diabetes does so with the evidence against them.

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/08/diabetes-and-the-obesity-paradox/

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

The paradox is easily explained by the simple irrefutable fact that
what is causative is **not** weight but gluttony which leads
invariably to visceral adipose tissue (VAT):

http://WDJW.net/VAT

While obesity is a consequence of gluttony, not all become either
overweight or obese from the overeating (i.e. "skinny" type-2
diabetics)

Bottom line:

The cause of type-2 diabetes is gluttony.

Thus, it is smarter to address the cause and:

http://WDJW.net/StopFoodOverdoseNow

GysdeJongh wrote:
>
> Diabet Med. 2012 Oct 17. doi: 10.1111/dme.12039.
> The 2012 Banting Lecture Reversing the twin cycles of Type 2 diabetes.
>
> It has become widely accepted that type 2 diabetes is inevitably life-long,
> with irreversible and progressive beta cell damage. However, the restoration
> of normal glucose metabolism within days after bariatric surgery in the
> majority of people with type 2 diabetes disproves this concept. There is now
> no doubt that this reversal of diabetes depends upon the sudden and profound
> decrease in food intake, and does not relate to any direct surgical effect.
> The Counterpoint study demonstrated that normal glucose levels and normal
> beta cell function could be restored by a very low calorie diet alone. Novel
> magnetic resonance methods were applied to measure intra-organ fat. The
> results showed two different time courses: a) resolution of hepatic insulin
> sensitivity within days along with a rapid fall in liver fat and
> normalisation of fasting glucose levels; and b) return of normal beta cell
> insulin secretion over weeks in step with a fall in pancreas fat. Now that
> it has been possible to observe the pathophysiological events during
> reversal of type 2 diabetes, the reverse time course of events which
> determine the onset of the condition can be identified. The twin cycle
> hypothesis postulates that chronic calorie excess leads to accumulation of
> liver fat with eventual spill over into the pancreas. These self-reinforcing
> cycles between liver and pancreas eventually cause metabolic inhibition of
> insulin secretion after meals and onset of hyperglycaemia. It is now clear
> that Type 2 diabetes is a reversible condition of intra-organ fat excess to
> which some people are more susceptible than others.
> PMID: 23075228

Yes, stopping the causative overeating without harmful
undernourishment by holding to the right amount, which is 32 oz of
daily food, is the absolutely only **healthy** way to remove the
"intra-organ fat excess" ( http://WDJW.net/VAT ) that happens with
overeating:

https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/48e684b2a336961e?

Yes, right amount ( http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER Approach ) control as
Chris Malcolm, MU, **and** Rod Eastman (along with countless others
globally --> http://bit.ly/2015GHHS ) are doing is much more
sophisticated and smarter:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.support.diet.low-carb/ehvWZrH5Q9U/z0oHiET3Lo0J

and

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/1r72AsO3NuQ/VkYiWMDlLFIJ

**and**

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/OwIa247V2QA/taPvYBATA9oJ

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/2KcDOWlEcZM/7pDF83wuXwUJ

Don't be an Ayoob or you will most certainly die a
http://bit.ly/TerriblyStupid (Mark 9:42) death:

http://bit.ly/BiblicalEsau

Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:

http://bit.ly/HeartDoc777-touts-hunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory to
GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy 8:3) when He blesses us
right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the http://WDJW.net/VAT from
around the heart

... because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,

HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Emory's IMVC.org cardiologist (GA Lic#040347)
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://WDJW.net/Luke2442
which is the absolutely only **healthy** cure for type-2 diabetes

[Casper]

[casper]

"While obesity is a consequence of gluttony, not all become either
overweight or obese from the overeating (i.e. "skinny" type-2 diabetics)"

Wholly outof line with the evidence in the study. This a quite poor and
self serving contrived response.

Any reader with even common sense understanding will see this is the case.

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

Casper wrote:

> As this article discusses not only do a majority of those overweight not
> becom diabetic, but many who are diabetic were not over weight at
> diagnosis.

100% of those afflicted with type-2 diabetes have visceral adipose
tissue (VAT) which happens with overeating:

http://WDJW.net/VAT

We, who've http://WDJW.net/StopFoodOverdoseNow have
http://WDJW.net/NoVAT so that we either never end up with type-2
diabetes **or** no longer have it.

Moreover, the incidence of type-2 diabetes is **zero** in
famine-stricken regions on Earth where excess food just isn't
available.

Bottom line:

Instead of obesity, gluttony is the proximate cause of type-2 diabetes
thereby explaining the obesity paradox.

Those who lack the ability to comprehend the above facts are simply:

http://bit.ly/TerriblyStupid

In the interim, the rest of us are choosing to
http://WDJW.net/StopFoodOverdoseNow thereby becoming infinitely
smarter with all glory to GOD:

http://WDJW.net/LausDeo

[Don Roberto]

Correct, but Chung is *not* a reader with common sense.

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

someone eternally condemned wrote:

>> Any reader with even common sense understanding will see this is the case.
>

> Correct ...

Actually, it's the common sense of vision instead of understanding
that allows folks to see.

Your lack of comprehension remains consistent with your eternal
condemnation by the LORD our infinite Creator GOD.

May GOD continue to curse you by increasing your pain both in
magnitude and in duration, in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
Amen.

Casper wrote:

> As this article discusses not only do a majority of those overweight not
> becom diabetic, but many who are diabetic were not over weight at
> diagnosis.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/MQ_sqIRwckU/FcrHF8ahDAAJ

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

casper wrote in part:

> Vat responds well to exercise as it is used first for the added energy
> demands.

Actually, during exercise "vascular steal," where blood is shunted to
muscles instead of viscera, means that VAT does **not** "respond well
to exercise."

The absolutely only **healthy** way to lose the diabetes-causing
http://WDJW.net/VAT is:

http://WDJW.net/StopFoodOverdoseNow

in order to have:

http://WDJW.net/NoVAT

Casper wrote in part:

> As this article discusses not only do a majority of those overweight not
> becom diabetic, but many who are diabetic were not over weight at
> diagnosis.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/MQ_sqIRwckU/FcrHF8ahDAAJ

[casper]

As this article discusses not only do a majority of those overweight not
becom diabetic, but many who are diabetic were not over weight at
diagnosis.

In fact being within the normal weight range for someone who is diabetic
has a risk factor for some of them.

As this study once again demonstrates, anyone who proposes a simple single
cause for type 2 diabetes does so with the evidence against them.

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/08/diabetes-and-the-obesity-paradox/

"100% of those afflicted with type-2 diabetes have visceral adipose tissue"

Not relevant to the claim of "cure" and weight status, as well illustrated
in the above article.

Vat responds well to exercise as it is used first for the added energy
demands.

"A Actually, during exercise "vascular steal," where blood is shunted to

muscles instead of viscera, means that VAT does **not** "respond well to
exercise.""

And during those intervals between maximum muscle activity this is not the
case.

Actually the production of energy from vat continues to happen post
exercise for a number of hours.

We have noticed that medical factoid are thrown out as strawman argument.
This more make it up as one goes along behavior not being aware of the
recent basic research in related areas.

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

Casper wrote:

> As this article discusses not only do a majority of those overweight not
> becom diabetic, but many who are diabetic were not over weight at
> diagnosis.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/MQ_sqIRwckU/FcrHF8ahDAAJ

100% of those afflicted with type-2 diabetes have visceral adipose