File sharing with iTunes

[JF Mezei]

Until Catalina, file sharing with an iPhone is done via iTunes.

(click on the tiny phone icon, and then select "file Sharing". You get a
list of IOS aplications that are willing to do file sharing and for
each, you can add a file that can be transfered to the phone.

In my case, I am given only 3 apps:
iMovie
Motion-X-GPS
Zipbrowser

What dictates which IOS apps are listed by iTunes as being able to do
file transfers?

Is it how an App is built that dicattes whether it can participate in
file sharing, or is there an IOS setting that creates that list? (if so
where)

I'd like to be ab;e to send movies to "Photos" for instance.



I don't use iCloud drive. (with limited upload speed, transfering a
300MB movie from Mac to iCloud would take forever, and would then have
to transfer back to my iPhone which is such a waste, and I would then
hyave to go and delete it from ICloud.

For small documents, I can email them to myself and move them from the
Mail app. but for larger ones, I have to use that iTunes mechanism.

[JF Mezei]

Update: found out Airdrop works on HighSierra.

From mac, Finder -> Menu-> Go -> Airdrop.

Turn on Wi-Fi, then drop movie file onto the Airdrap window and it goes
to my iPhone in Photos app. Appears to be very fast.

Out of curiosity, turning on wi-fi made my mac connect to my router.
IPhone is connected to the Router. Why is the wired connection between
Mac and router not sufficient?

[Arlen Holder]

On Sat, 28 Dec 2019 19:49:52 -0500, JF Mezei wrote:

> I'd like to be ab;e to send movies to "Photos" for instance.

Hi JF Mezei,

Take a look at this picture showing sliding files to/from iOS over USB:
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=2107706usb03.jpg>

Many iOS apps open up their filespace to read/write USB file transfer:
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=8918650usb01.jpg>

However, not all the apps on the iOS device that open up to file transfer.

Since you're not an apologists, a different kind of conversation can ensue
where I too would love to know if there is a way to tell, a priori, which
apps open up their file storage location to file transfers over USB.

In my case, I transfer anything I want to & from a select few apps, e.g.,
VLC, over USB, but I don't use iTunes; I use zero software; it just works.
o Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB
using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed)
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.os.linux/WqIDiVbawRs/pwxzu7LMCAAJ>

By turning the iPad into a USB stick anyone can easily transfer anything
they want into the DCIM Photos area for example (both directions).

But not all apps allow read/write to/from Windows & iOS sans iTunes.
o Let's see what comes up as to how you can tell which do & which don't.

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[Lewis]

In message <RKSNF.113621$AF2....@fx34.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> Until Catalina, file sharing with an iPhone is done via iTunes.

> (click on the tiny phone icon, and then select "file Sharing". You get a
> list of IOS aplications that are willing to do file sharing and for
> each, you can add a file that can be transfered to the phone.

> In my case, I am given only 3 apps:
> iMovie
> Motion-X-GPS
> Zipbrowser

> What dictates which IOS apps are listed by iTunes as being able to do
> file transfers?

The developer of the application.

> Is it how an App is built that dicattes whether it can participate in
> file sharing, or is there an IOS setting that creates that list? (if so
> where)

There is no iOS setting, and most apps have moved to sharing files via
iCloud.

> I'd like to be ab;e to send movies to "Photos" for instance.

I don't think Photos is generally the right place for movies, but you
can put them in your iCloud drive and access them from a variety of
apps, depending on where you place them. I believe you can also add them
to your TV app (which replaced the old Movies app).

I have a folder named "Movies" that I can access directly on my iPad
within the Files app, or I can go in to VLC and access the folder from
there to play a movie off iCloud. I keep a couple of things there that I
want to have available (including my laserdisc rip of Song of the
South).

> I don't use iCloud drive.

Then you're going to be limited in what you can do.

> (with limited upload speed, transfering a 300MB movie from Mac to
> iCloud would take forever,

Only if you are using a dialup modem.

> and would then have to transfer back to my iPhone which is such a
> waste, and I would then hyave to go and delete it from ICloud.

Then it would no longer be on your phone.

> For small documents, I can email them to myself and move them from the
> Mail app. but for larger ones, I have to use that iTunes mechanism.

Not unless the developer is still using that, which very few are.

However, you CAN copy movies directly to your phone using the... wait
for it... Movies tab in the Finder view of your phone. I believe this
puts them inside the TV app? Not sure, I haven't done that in years.=,
before the TV app by a long time.


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[JF Mezei]

On 2019-12-28 21:16, Jolly Roger wrote:

> The very obvious answer is because Airdrop uses Bluetooth and WiFi to
> facilitate peer-to-peer transfers.


Bluetooth turned off on my phone (never used).

And since my mac auto connected to my router's Wi-Fi, I have to wonder
what diffence existed with being wire connected to my router.

Had my Mac created ad-hoc Wi-Fi hub, I could have undersrood this, but
then the phone too would have had to connect to it which it didn't.

I guess I could do some tests to see if transfering a 300MB movie, the
router's interface counter could increase accordingly (indicating the
mac and phone spoke via router) vs no in rease (indicating Mc had ad-hoc
transfer during actual Airdrop and reverted to being connected to my
router right after).

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 29.12.19 um 02:09 schrieb JF Mezei:

I'm not sure whether I understand your question correctly. When you turn
on your wifi on your iPhone and your Mac it is the "normal"
configuration. It is set up without intervention from your side if the
network is known to the devices.

Air Drop is a peer to peer connection. Your router or the public network
is not involved. It is quite fast because both Apple devices agree on
the highest data transfer rate that is possible.

In the "perfect Apple world" are no such things as wired connections.
Either you use Air Drop, your wireless network or the public wireless
(ie mobile) network. This is also the reason why Apple devices have no
LAN interfaces built in for years.

[JF Mezei]

On 2019-12-28 22:54, Lewis wrote:

>> What dictates which IOS apps are listed by iTunes as being able to do
>> file transfers?
>
> The developer of the application.

Thanks. Was wondering why only those 3 apps had showed up on Itunes for
file sharing.

> I don't think Photos is generally the right place for movies,

I shoot something on my Go-Pro/Garmin camera. Want to move the .MP4 to
iPhone so I can Airplay at a friend's place on their Apple TV.

Photos is the simplest one to do this. And easierst to then delete the
movie when no lonegr needed since I use that app and not the other
obscure ones.

> can put them in your iCloud drive

I don't use iClooud. If I relied on it, it would be easier to load the
movie file into iPhoto, then configure iTunes to sync that movie to my
iPhone, plug in the iPhone and sync.

>> I don't use iCloud drive.
> Then you're going to be limited in what you can do.

Which is why I asked here.

>> (with limited upload speed, transfering a 300MB movie from Mac to
>> iCloud would take forever,
>
> Only if you are using a dialup modem.

Bell Canada is forced to support competitionm but alas, the CRTC does
not force Bell to give the same ports as its own retail customers. In
manu areas, Bell Canada has DSLAMs discontinued in 2005 (Lucent
Stingers) which don't have full support for VDLS2 new profiles and even
have lots of bugs in ADSL2. It also has modern 7330 DSLAMs to which it
puts its own customers and those have mdoern profiles that support
greater distances. Being 700m from the old DSLAM, I can only to 800pbls
upload. So iCloud is not a workable solution for me.

Had I not tried VDSL2, I would have been left on the 7330 inside the
central office and been able to get better speeds. When I tried VDSL2,
they moved me to that fucking Stinger and won't move me back to the CO
or to the 7330 right next to the Stinger. They know Stingers give
inferior service for the customers of its competitors.

> However, you CAN copy movies directly to your phone using the... wait
> for it... Movies tab in the Finder view of your phone.

DOes not exist in High Sierra. This is only on Catalina.

[Lewis]

In message <7BXNF.41661$Pb2....@fx40.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 2019-12-28 22:54, Lewis wrote:
>>> I don't use iCloud drive.
>> Then you're going to be limited in what you can do.

> Which is why I asked here.

Asking here isn't going to change anything,. If you refuse to use iCloud
you are going to be limited in what you can do.

> However, you CAN copy movies directly to your phone using the... wait
>> for it... Movies tab in the Finder view of your phone.

> DOes not exist in High Sierra. This is only on Catalina.

Sucks to be you then?

The finder window is largely the same as the itunes window. Did you even
look there?

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[Lewis]

In message <Q%WNF.42611$Qe2....@fx38.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 2019-12-28 21:16, Jolly Roger wrote:

>> The very obvious answer is because Airdrop uses Bluetooth and WiFi to
>> facilitate peer-to-peer transfers.

> Bluetooth turned off on my phone (never used).

Bluetooth is used all the time, and turning it off is just asinine.

> And since my mac auto connected to my router's Wi-Fi, I have to wonder
> what diffence existed with being wire connected to my router.

JR *just* told you. Please read.

> Had my Mac created ad-hoc Wi-Fi hub, I could have undersrood this, but
> then the phone too would have had to connect to it which it didn't.

No, you again have no fucking clue and are making up shit on the basis
of your total lack of knowledge.

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[nospam]

In article <Q%WNF.42611$Qe2....@fx38.iad>, JF Mezei

<jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> Bluetooth turned off on my phone (never used).

bad idea

[nospam]

In article <qu9ei9$dcg$1...@dont-email.me>, Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch>
wrote:

>
> In the "perfect Apple world" are no such things as wired connections.

absolutely false.

> Either you use Air Drop, your wireless network or the public wireless
> (ie mobile) network.

or a wired connection, typically ethernet, thunderbolt or usb.

> This is also the reason why Apple devices have no
> LAN interfaces built in for years.

nonsense.

macs, iphones and ipads definitely have a lan interface, often more
than one.

airpods, on the other hand, do not. perhaps that's what you meant by
'apple devices'.

[Arlen Holder]

On Sun, 29 Dec 2019 01:20:51 -0500, JF Mezei wrote:

>> The developer of the application.
>
> Thanks. Was wondering why only those 3 apps had showed up on Itunes for
> file sharing.

Hi J.F. Mezei,

Only a fool uses the cloud to transfer files to/from his own devices.

While you see 3 apps with iTunes, I see ten times that _without_ iTunes!
o Windows is more functional _without_ iTunes than with iTunes installed!

Without adding _anything_ (no software whatsoever!) - just booting and
connecting the iOS iPad to the desktop...
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=8918650usb01.jpg>

On my old iPad, the following apps showed up for file sharing over USB:
o Photos (including the entire DCIM & Apple100 hierarchies)
o Adobe Acrobat
o Avenza Maps
o CoPilot Maps
o Microsoft Excel
o FileExplore
o GarageBand
o GPX Tracker
o iMovie
o iVim
o Keynote
o Ky
o LockAlbum
o MFExplorer
o MinimaList
o NesTapLite
o Numbers
o OpenVPN
o OsmMaps
o Pages
o PowerPoint
o QuickSupport (TeamViewer)
o RManager
o SMBManager
o Sygic Maps
o TopoReader Maps
o VLC
o Voice Recorder
o WiFi HD
o Microsoft Word

Notice that's for file sharing to/from Windows, where you have _more_
filesharing functionality _without_ iTunes, than you do with iTunes.

All you do is boot the desktop, attach the iPad, & slide files both ways.
o It just works

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[nospam]

In article <quad0i$1tk$2...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder

<arlen.geo...@is.invalid> wrote:


> All you do is boot the desktop, attach the iPad, & slide files both ways.

no need to boot or attach anything.

> o It just works

yep, and with less hassle than your method.

[Arlen Holder]

On Sun, 29 Dec 2019 10:08:19 -0500, nospam wrote:

>> All you do is boot the desktop, attach the iPad, & slide files both ways.
>
> no need to boot or attach anything.
>
>> o It just works
>
> yep, and with less hassle than your method.

Then why is the OP asking for help if it's so useful to do your way?

[nospam]

In article <qub3j0$d3g$2...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder

<arlen.geo...@is.invalid> wrote:

>
> Then why is the OP asking for help if it's so useful to do your way?

could be any number of reasons, and it's not my way either.

[Arlen Holder]

On Sun, 29 Dec 2019 16:33:26 -0500, nospam wrote:

>> Then why is the OP asking for help if it's so useful to do your way?
>
> could be any number of reasons, and it's not my way either.

Allow me to refresh your memory of the OP's issues with iTunes, nospam...

The OP clearly said iTunes gives him access to only 3 apps:

"In my case, I am given only 3 apps:
iMovie
Motion-X-GPS
Zipbrowser"

*And yet, _without iTunes_, I have r/w access to ten times as many apps:*
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=8918650usb01.jpg>

HINT: *I have access to exactly what the OP asked for, _without_ iTunes.*
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[nospam]

In article <qub7m0$m44$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder

<arlen.geo...@is.invalid> wrote:

>
> *And yet, _without iTunes_, I have r/w access to ten times as many apps:*

which means you don't understand what itunes is or does.

[Arlen Holder]

On Sun, 29 Dec 2019 17:24:02 -0500, nospam wrote:

>> *And yet, _without iTunes_, I have r/w access to ten times as many apps:*
>
> which means you don't understand what itunes is or does.

Has the OP been successful following your advice, nospam?
o Bear in mind I was successful _years_ ago at this task.

The question at hand is how successful has the OP been following the advice
of you & other apologists (e.g., your advice to both upload & then download
his huge files on his puny iCloud account over the Internet...

... just to move his data two feet from his desktop to his mobile device!

o *Why do the Apple Apologists constantly send poor unsuspecting iOS users on wild goose chases?*
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/ynh0PE9lK_I/QOiGP4_SFQAJ>

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[JF Mezei]

On 2019-12-29 21:05, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Even if he does read, he has serious comprehension problems.


My questions have been asnwered. You are continuing with your insults
for what reason?

[nospam]

In article <qubua9$1es$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder

<arlen.geo...@is.invalid> wrote:

> o Bear in mind I was successful _years_ ago at this task.

no you very definitely weren't.

i remember when you fumbled for weeks trying to copy stuff between a
phone and a desktop computer, asking for help ftp'ing, which is one of
the worst possible methods, and fucked it up big time.

[Arlen Holder]

On Mon, 30 Dec 2019 01:42:16 -0500, nospam wrote:

> no you very definitely weren't.

*This proves, yet again, you apologists aren't like normal adults.*
o *Your posts prove you own the comprehensive skills of a child, nospam.*

I understand that you survive on Apple newsgroups by spouting complete &
utter bullshit, where the average Apple poster on this Apple newsgroups
seems to be as uncomprehensive of facts as you prove to be, nospam.

But expect me to prove otherwise, when you spout your bullshit:

What's interesting, nospam, is that apologists consistently and clearly
prove to lack basic adult abilities to comprehend known facts.

Not only do I copy anything I want to/from any device I want,
I even wrote the tutorial, so that others could do what I easily do:
o Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed)
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/WohhLOTCYKw/n_ytNizaCAAJ>

*You apologists, nospam, always prove to be not like normal adults.*

> i remember when you fumbled for weeks trying to copy stuff between a
> phone and a desktop computer, asking for help ftp'ing, which is one of
> the worst possible methods, and fucked it up big time.

Again, nospam, your posts prove you lack comprehensive skills that anyone
who is an adult, is supposed to own.
o *You apologists, nospam, always prove to be not like normal adults.*

How many tutorials have you written, nospam, where you exercised _every_
known option for transferring files between a desktop & mobile device?

HINT: The answer is _zero_ nospam.

When I test software, particularly for my many tutorials, I test _every_
option that is suggested, where, I haven't used FTP in quite a long time -
but I tested it, along with WebDAV (which allows the entire mobile device
to be mounted as a drive letter on Windows, for example), SAMBA/CIFS, HTTP,
FTP, libMTP, adb, etc.

*Your posts prove you own the comprehensive skills of a child, nospam.*

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almost totally immune to facts as a result of their child-like
comprehensive skills; hence, they turn out to be extremely highly
susceptible to (admittedly brilliant) marketing of imaginary functionality.

[Lewis]

In message <4IgOF.5751$YS2....@fx27.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>> Even if he does read, he has serious comprehension problems.

> My questions have been asnwered. You are continuing with your insults
> for what reason?

You've earned it.

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