On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 20:29:42 -0000 (UTC), Diesel wrote:
> Arlen, I was specifically responding to your original comment about
> moving files across various devices without having to use
> specialized software (itunes,airdrop,etc). It is infact, a well
> known method of doing it.
I appreciate that you're trying to prove the method is "obvious", which, if
it were obvious, would be trivial to prove (becuase it's USB); but the fact
is that I know something you don't know. Nobody knows it.
Q: What do I know that nobody else knows?
A: How to view & write to the entire visible file system of iOS
How to do that, is NOT obvious (except to me).
*The three hilarious articles you cited PROVE you don't understand.*
I agree that USB is well known for moving files, as is the use of
FTP/HTTP/SMB servers over WiFi.
The only two "tricks" of this method that are not obvious, are:
a. We use Linux to access iOS (because it does it best)
b. We use a trick that allows write access to iOS
Those two tricks are the _only_ non-obvious part of this system.
Yet, without those two tricks, you have no real access to iOS.
You can't design a system to only handle the easy stuff.
A cross platform solution has to work on the hard stuff too.
> I wasn't claiming that using a USB interface to move data between
> your Android/ios/mp3 player/camera,etc was a standard way of using
> USB, although I personally think it is; since USB was never intended
> just to be a replacement for ps/2 ports in the first place. If you
> thought that was the original gameplan, you're mistaken.
The only thing that irks me when people say this is "obvious", is that they
can't do it themselves, so it's not so obvious. If people didn't claim
bullshit, then I wouldn't be irked about their bullshit.
The use of USB is obvious, for sure.
But remember, if that is _all_ you do, you can't do two things:
a. You can't write to the entire visible iOS filesystem
b. You can't even see the entire visible iOS filesystem
The beauty of this method is it solves *cross platform* issues.
Everything else is already obvious.
But the blind don't see the beauty of the non obvious part.
> Here are some urls that describe the process you thought was 'new';
> you'll notice the article dates are years prior to your usenet post
> with your reinvention of the wheel discovery and announcement.
First off, without reading those URLs, I already know they don't cover what
I covered - since NOBODY covers it (because it's not obvious).
The trick is to see anywhere on the visible iOS file system, and to WRITE
anywhere on the iOS visible file system.
That's what's hard.
I am responding as I read, but I can tell you we know more than anything
that will ever be in an article - simply because our method is NOT obvious.
>
http://www.stevesandroidguide.com/transfer-files-usb/
How to Transfer Files From Android to PC Using USB Cable
One down.
That says absolutely *nothing* about seeing & writing to iOS.
Nothing.
>
https://support.google.com/android/answer/9064445?hl=en
Transfer files between your computer & Android device
Two down.
Where is iOS?
>
http://osxdaily.com/2017/01/13/how-transfer-photos-iphone-windows-10-pc/
How to Transfer Photos from iPhone to Windows 10 PC
Three down.
That is a hilarious article, in that the fact you (and others) *think* that
article discusses *anything* I'm talking about, is why I know you fail to
comprehend the beauty of this system.
HINT: Where does that article discuss WRITING to any spot on the visible
file system of iOS?
HINT: It doesn't cover ANYTHING I've covered. Nothing. Zip. Nada.
Worse ... how does that method, which uses the iTunes abomination, work
with Linux? And with Android?
End result: That article is a joke - but the problem is that you don't
recognize WHY it's a joke.
That's because the "obvious" naysayers fail to comprehend two things:
a. How do you *see* the entire visible file system of iOS?
b. How do you *write* to that entire visible file system of iOS?
HINT: Just reading photos is a joke - especially since they use the iTunes
abomination to do it (which isn't needed and they don't even realize that).
Any solution that uses the iTunes abomination, is,
a. Unnecessary (you don't need iTunes)
b. Restricted (it only does what Apple wants it to do)
c. Limited (it doesn't work in the real world, e.g., Linux)
>> This brilliant idea is *NOT* the standard method of using USB.
>
> Again, you're trying to twist my words around. I previously wrote
> that what you wrote about moving files around between your windows
> computer, android and ios devices is a standard, AND WELL KNOWN,
> method of doing it. And, it is.
I appreciate that you're trying to prove that USB is obvious, but I'm at a
way more powerful level than you are since I can do two things that are not
obvious:
1. I can see the entire visible file system of iOS over USB, and,
2. I can *write* to that entire visible file system of iOS over USB.
If you can show me a solution that does that, at the same time that the
same solution works for all other platforms just as well, and, at the same
time requires zero software - then you'll have proved your point.
I can *easily* prove that it's NOT obvious.
HINT: Try to find a single article on the entire Internet that shows how to
do #1 and #2 above.
Just one.
>> In fact, almost *nobody* knows this methnod, which I can tell
>> easily.
>
> You give yourself far too much undeserved credit...
Since you're trying to be an adult, I will state that it's hard for me to
respond to that childish comment because (a) you're the one who doesn't
understand, and (b) I never said I was brilliant.
I said the *method* is brilliant.
Not me.
I just figured it out with the help of others.
Rather than tell me I'm not brilliant (which I already know), I could say
that you're stupid ... which I won't because you're trying to act like an
adult.
But I will say that if you can't understand that the brilliant method
a. *sees* the entire visible iOS file system, and,
b. *writes* to that entire visible iOS file system
Then I have to keep repeating that you fail to *comprehend*.
Since it's clear you fail to comprehend, it's premature for you to say I
give myself too much credit.
Do you understand my adult point?
Let's put it bluntly:
a. You don't understand, so you call me stupid (in effect).
b. Yet, I understand *everything* you said
c. In fact, you've never once told me something I don't already know.
There's *nothing* you've said (or anyone else in this thread) that I didn't
know years ago.
Yet, I am telling you somehing that you _still_ don't comprehend.
Nobody does.
What that means is only two things:
a. I'm not explaining it well (but Jesus, how many times do I have to
explain that I'm WRITING to any part of iOS that I want to!!!!!!).
b. I'm dealing with stupid people who can't comprehend the above sentence
Pick one.
> XP isn't meaningless. Your original post claimed that your 'new
> discovery' worked with Any version of Android, Windows and IOS
> devices using just what comes with the OS.
What are you talking about?
Did you purchase too many excess arguments this week?
If you don't understand why this system works with *any* Windows file
system, then how can I make you understand what is obvious if you simply
understood how this brilliant system works?
Remember, nobody in this entire thread said anything that I didn't already
know years ago ... and yet ... you bring up XP ... which means YOU don't
understand ... not me. You.
YOU don't understand why XP is meaningless since this brilliant system
works with *all* Windows filessystems.
> Your claim again. :) Except that for reasons I've already stated and
> see no point in repeating, it's not accurate.
Diesel,
The fact you don't evne understnad the system, is obvious.
The fact that you think XP matgters, means you don't undresand.
After those two facts are stated, how can you possibly tell me my
statements are "inaccurate"?
What you're doing is NOT understanding, and then claiming that your
misunderstanding means I'm not accurate.
It's preposterous how your mind actually works.
It's like you're colorblind, so you insist that stop signs are not red.
You don't realize everything you say is coming from your ignorance.
There's NOTHING you've said that I don't understand.
There's PLENTY I've said, that you clearly don't understand.
It's premature for you to tell me I'm inaccurate, when it's obvious you
don't understand anything I've told you.
The three hilarious articles you cited PROVE you don't understand.
> ROFL. People have known about and been using it for years prior to
> your usenet post describing it. :)
You have to pardon me for giggling.
Remember, it's YOU who don't understand a thing I'm telling you.
I understand EVERYTHING you can say (because it's nothing new).
So please refrain from rolling on the floor with laughter.
I'm not rolling of the floor with laughter with you.
I'm just shaking my head, thinking the Dunning-Kruger thing is true, that
people who can't comprehend, think others are stupid, because others know
what people who can't comprehend, can't comprehend.
So please, refrain from the ROFL since it's YOU who doesn't comprehend.
Not me.
All you're telling me is what everyone already knows.
I'm telling you something that you don't know - and can't yet comprehend.
Notice that you, Diesel, use the childish "no need to reply" comment.
That proves your mind is that of a fifth grader.
You google for URLs that have "usb" in the title.
You throw them at me, as if they have anything meaningful in them.
I *easily* prove that they're hilarious.
HINT: None of them show how to WRITE to anywhere in the visible iOS file
system.
Do you see how *childish* you act Diesel?
a. You clearly do not comprehend the brilliance of the method
b. You then tell me I'm wrong (but you don't even comprehend it!)
c. You then throw idiotic URLs (that prove you don't comprehend it)
d. And then you say you've proven your point and I shouldn't bother to
respond.
Well, my response is simple:
a. You don't have the first clue how to do these two things:
1. See all of the visible iOS file system over USB
2. Write to all of the visible iOS file system over USB
Nobody who posted can do that.
Except me.
That's the beuaty of the system.
It's NOT obvious - until I tell you.
But some of you _still_ can't comprehend even after I tell you.
*I think that's sad because it means people are incomprehensibly stupid.*
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I have to realize that I'm dealing with a sea of utter morons.