Why do the Apple Apologists always deflect blame and call all facts they don't like, trolls?

[Harry Newton]

Why are Apple Apologists not like normal people when it comes to facts?
a. They deny that which Apple already admitted, and,
b. They claim all facts they don't like are "trolls", and,
c. They try to deflect blame on everyone but their beloved platform!

Why do the Apple Apologists always deflect blame and call all facts they
don't like, trolls?

Yesterday, I posted platform-specific information to a bunch of related
newsgroups, where I culled out Linux-only information for the Linux
newsgroup, I assembled Android-only information for the Android newsgroup,
Windows-only information for the Windows newsgroups, Linux-only information
for the Linux newsgroups, Wi-Fi only information for the WiFi newsgroups,
etc.

Only on the Apple-related newsgroups do two things consistently occur:
1. Apple Apologists call any fact they don't like, a troll:
(e.g., Jolly Roger)
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/jVZqnUfdsK8/wyUlhrCpDwAJ>
2. Apple Apologists always try to deflect blame onto the other platforms!
(e.g., nospam)
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/jVZqnUfdsK8/rG4TzoxeDwAJ>
3. Apple Apologists even blame the bearer of direct Apple quotes!
(e.g., *Hemidactylus*)
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/jVZqnUfdsK8/OagNZlamDwAJ

Why are Apple Apologists not like normal people when it comes to facts?

Newsgroups which received factual posts of platform-specific information:
alt.home.repair, sci.electronics.repair, alt.os.linux,
comp.mobile.android, misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android,
alt.internet.wireless, comp.sys.mac.apps, comp.sys.mac.system,
alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.windows7.general,
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general

Only on the Apple-related newsgroups do the recipients constantly:
a. Always try to deflect blame away from Apple, and,
b. Call all facts they don't like, trolls.

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What is it about Apple Apologists that is not in normal adult behavior?

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2018-01-06 04:51, Harry Newton wrote:
> Why are Apple Apologists not like normal people when it comes to facts?

Why don't you stop posting anti Apple crap? It is tiring.
At a minimum, please stop posting to non Apple groups.

Every day I see posts from YOU blasting something Apple or the other. I
don't care about Apple!


I will have to filter you out, with all your names past and future!

--
Cheers, Carlos.

[Harry Newton]

On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 05:21:39 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> Why don't you stop posting anti Apple crap? It is tiring.

Hi Carlos,
You know because I saw you on the alt.os.linux ng, that I posted the same
type of platform-specific information to the Linux newsgroups.

*All* my posts are *informative*, *timely*, and completely *factual*.
You know that.

What you are conflating is that I try to *understand* the Apple Apologists,
who, even you must admit, are not normal adults.

I'm just trying to understand why they do the strange things they do,
especially when it's so obvious that *all* the other platform newsgroups
don't have people like the Apple Apologists (who call all facts they don't
like trolls, and who deny that which Apple already admitted).

> At a minimum, please stop posting to non Apple groups.

Yikes!

Actually, I just realized, looking at the header, I mistyped that as it was
supposed to be comp.mobile.ipad so I have *removed* the Android newsgroup.
that was never supposed to be there. That was a mistake on my part.
Pure and simple.
I apologize for that.

> Every day I see posts from YOU blasting something Apple or the other. I
> don't care about Apple!

You see hundreds of posts from me that are not about Apple. You are on the
Linux newsgroups where I post every day (other nyms). I also am on all the
Windows groups, and quite a few others.

You only see the ones that are related to the difference between Apple and
Android where, surprising, and shockingly so, I know far more about the
differences between the two platforms than the Apple Apologists do and I
openly admit that I don't know much (but it's still far more than they do).

The only thing Jolly Roger knows is the word "troll".
If *Hemidactylus* ever adds value, I'll send you money.

And, nospam can't even find an Android phone that is half the price of any
iPhone at the same specifications, while the rest of us have no problem
doing that (I can find one that is five time cheaper and has essentially
the same specs) and nospam insisted there is no app drawer app on Android,
but there is (they abound) and Jolly Roger declares an eight year old can
jailbreak an iPhone in five minutes (they can't) whereas on Android, all
you do is download KingoRoot and run it and you're rooted.

[Ken Blake]

On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 05:21:39 +0100, "Carlos E.R."

Please do so! He's long been killfiled here, and I don't want to have
to read his posts in your replies to him.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2018-01-06, Harry Newton <harryn...@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:
>
> Blah blah Apple Apologists blah blah blah blah blah blah

Your broken record trolls are boring. Get some new material, old fool.

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

[Harry Newton]

On 6 Jan 2018 17:11:38 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Your broken record trolls are boring. Get some new material, old fool.

I love when you post because you're *both* a troll & an Apple Apologist!

An Apple Apologist is one who incessantly brazenly *fabricates* imaginary
functionality in Apple devices that simply does not exist (e.g., Snit
posted his fabrications of iOS functionality over 400 times alone!).

And they incessantly deny facts by outright lies and clever contortions
(e.g., nospam is the most cleverly duplicitous at this technique).

The fact that the Apple Apologists also call any fact they don't like a
troll, just makes them trolls (e.g., Jolly Roger is the biggest troll, who
also happens to be an Apple Apologist).

There really are only a handful of Apple Apologists, and they all exhibit
the traits of Apple Apologists in all their posts.
* They are incessant fabricators of imaginary functionality
* They brazenly deny facts (even those admitted by Apple themselves)

[Jolly Roger]

On 2018-01-06, Harry Newton <harryn...@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:

> On 6 Jan 2018 17:11:38 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Your broken record trolls are boring. Get some new material, old fool.
>

> Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah Apple Apologist!

Just can't do it, eh? You're a sad, boring, old troll.

[Harold Newton]

On 6 Jan 2018 18:00:40 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Just can't do it, eh? You're a sad, boring, old troll.

This was just posted to the Android folks who are dealing with the classic
Apple Appologists antics of Jolly Roger, nospam, and BK at OnRamp.net.

Apple throttled your iPhone by cutting its speed almost in HALF!
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/9laIXKhqyAA>
--------
On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 12:12:25 -0500, rickman wrote:
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/9laIXKhqyAA/r5cWg2aQAAAJ>

> I think a battery that prevents the device from running at full speed
> because the unit shuts down would be considered to be "truly defective".

Rick,
You are logical and stating what any reasonable adult would state.
But you're not dealing with normal thinking adults.

You have to remember whom you're dealing with, where the Apple Apologists
(nospam and Jolly Roger and BK @ OnRamp.net being major Apple Apologists)
will argue *any* semantic avenue they can.

They will state that nobody noticed.
They will state that you should only read Apple MARKETING explanations.
They will state that it was for the good of the consumer.
etc.

You can *predict* everything the Apple Apologists will say because they act
like a cornered rat would act, if that cornered rat were Apple MARKETING
herself.

They'll never admit the truth.
They'll twist out of the logical trap with clever semantic distortions.
And, when all else fails, they'll outright tell boldfaced lies.

In addition, Jolly Roger (more so than the rest) will simply call any fact
he doesn't like, a troll.

If you haven't already noticed this, then just continue what you think is
an adult conversation with them ... and it *always* devolves to what I
stated above (and worse).

[Jolly Roger]

On 2018-01-07, Harold Newton <har...@example.com> wrote:
> On 6 Jan 2018 18:00:40 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Just can't do it, eh? You're a sad, boring, old troll.
>

> Blah blah blah Apple Appologists blah blah blah blah

Yet another a broken record troll from "Harry"...

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2018-01-07 19:32, Harold Newton wrote:
> On 6 Jan 2018 18:00:40 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Just can't do it, eh? You're a sad, boring, old troll.
>
> This was just posted to the Android folks who are dealing with the classic
> Apple Appologists antics of Jolly Roger, nospam, and BK at OnRamp.net.
>
> Apple throttled your iPhone by cutting its speed almost in HALF!

This is more trolling from you.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

[B...@onramp.net]

On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 20:25:51 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:

>On 2018-01-07 19:32, Harold Newton wrote:
>> On 6 Jan 2018 18:00:40 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>
>>> Just can't do it, eh? You're a sad, boring, old troll.
>>

>> This was just posted to the Android folks who are dealing with the cliassic

>> Apple Appologists antics of Jolly Roger, nospam, and BK at OnRamp.net.
>>
>> Apple throttled your iPhone by cutting its speed almost in HALF!

Wrong. Wife and I had a 6 and 6+ until last month, bought the day
they came out. No loss of speed on them and they were over three
years old.

But you know more about my equipment than I.

Oh, I'm not an Apple apologist. They have little need for it.

>
>This is more trolling from you.

Yep. It just doesn't end. I kill filed him and still see his crap
when others reply.

[Harry Newton]

On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 14:04:03 -0600, B...@Onramp.net wrote:

> Oh, I'm not an Apple apologist.

Tell us another joke.

[Harry Newton]

On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 20:25:51 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

>> This was just posted to the Android folks who are dealing with the classic
>> Apple Appologists antics of Jolly Roger, nospam, and BK at OnRamp.net.
>>
>> Apple throttled your iPhone by cutting its speed almost in HALF!
>
> This is more trolling from you.

Except that I already provided proof that users are reporting *more* than
half speed throttling.

Where's your proof that my proof is wrong?

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2018-01-07 21:04, B...@Onramp.net wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 20:25:51 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
> <robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2018-01-07 19:32, Harold Newton wrote:

...

>> This is more trolling from you.
>
> Yep. It just doesn't end. I kill filed him and still see his crap
> when others reply.

I have him flagged, not deleted, because some times I find a few things
he says interesting. Till he starts with his rampages... :-(


--
Cheers, Carlos.

[Jolly Roger]

You're the joke here. You attack every single person who calls you out
on your lies and label them "Apple Apologists", regardless of the fact
that most use all of the above platforms and not just Apple. Your only
joy in life is attacking complete strangers simply due to your
irrational hatred of all things Apple. You are driven by jealousy and
hate. You are over 70 years old, and you spend countless hours every
single day posting hateful, boring, repetitive messages to disrupt
otherwise peaceful newsgroups. You switch nyms regularly to avoid
filtering and you often post with two at a time and reply to your own
posts as well. You are the worst kind of person, and the worse kind of
troll. You are just fucking pathetic; and it appears you are set to die
that way too. Be proud, old fool.

[Alan Browne]

On 2018-01-07 17:34, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2018-01-07, Harry Newton <harryn...@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:

>> Tell us another joke.
>

> You're the joke here. <s>

The sole remedy for trolls is not feeding them. At all.

[Jolly Roger]

Good luck with that.

[gtr]

On 2018-01-07 23:46:00 +0000, Jolly Roger said:

> On 2018-01-07, Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> On 2018-01-07 17:34, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2018-01-07, Harry Newton <harryn...@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Tell us another joke.
>>>
>>> You're the joke here. <s>
>>
>> The sole remedy for trolls is not feeding them. At all.
>
> Good luck with that.

It's such a simple solution.

I'd love to see the demographics on the world's most aimless trolls.
Are they always the youngest sibling...?

[Harry Newton]

On 7 Jan 2018 22:34:19 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> You're the joke here. You attack every single person who calls you out
> on your lies

Name a single lie I'vfe made in my tens of thousands of posts.
Name just one.

> and label them "Apple Apologists", regardless of the fact
> that most use all of the above platforms and not just Apple.

There are only about 1/2 dozen Apple Apologists on this ng.
Jolly Roger, nospam, BK onRamp, Snit, Savageduck, etc.

The rest of the people generally act like normal sentient adults.

> Your only
> joy in life is attacking complete strangers simply due to your
> irrational hatred of all things Apple.

I love Apple devices.
I just happen to know what they can do and what they can't do.
You don't.

You imagine functionality that only exists in your head (e.g., when you
claimed that an 8 year old could jailbreak any iOS device in five minutes).

> You are driven by jealousy and hate.

Nope. I'm drive by pure facts.
You're the one filled with hateful vitriol.

> You are over 70 years old, and you spend countless hours every
> single day posting hateful, boring, repetitive messages to disrupt
> otherwise peaceful newsgroups.

I'm very much over 70, by more than a decade, young person.

> You switch nyms regularly to avoid
> filtering and you often post with two at a time and reply to your own
> posts as well.

The nyms are for privacy from bots that aggregate by headers.
You are the only one who feels challenged to figure out who I am.
The rest know me from every post. I don't change my style.

> You are the worst kind of person, and the worse kind of
> troll.

But wait. I thought you said I was filled with hate.
It sure sounds like *you* are the one filled with hate.

I love you. I always did. If I didn't, I'd have plonked you long ago as you
provide zero technical value. Your main value is that you personify the
typical iOS user. So for that, you're extremely valuable.

> You are just fucking pathetic; and it appears you are set to die
> that way too. Be proud, old fool.

It sure does seem like you are the one filled with hate, not me.
I just state facts.

You hate facts.f

[dorayme]

In article <p2ug1s$ucm$1...@news.albasani.net>, gtr <x...@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> I'd love to see the demographics on the world's most aimless trolls.
> Are they always the youngest sibling...?

The youngest siblings, according to one famous book on the subject,
are the most creative. But creative can also mean to extremes
bordering on madness. I had that book, what was it called, maybe by
Sulloway?, big long one, some guy's Phd and then published, pretty
boring read, seemed convincing enough though it has since been heavily
qualified and critised. First borns were were the most authoritarian,
most conventional, most responsible...

--
dorayme

[Savageduck]

On Jan 8, 2018, dorayme wrote
(in article<do_ray_me-CF611...@46.sub-75-242-165.myvzw.com>):

...and where does that put the only child?

Caught between being a first born, and the youngest.

--

Regards,
Savageduck

[gtr]

Pure projection, but I assume trolls are only children or youngest
child, but are now single, likely never married, and childless. I am
guessing they work very little--retired, out of work, part-timers,
living with their parents. They are looking for attention because they
desparately need to feel connected to others, but are afraid too, or
have faced too much rejection outside the net. Their only emotional
outlet seems to be anger and vitriol, and it hardly matters where they
direct it.

Since I never find their personal attacks particularly "personal", but
more frequently generic, I find they evoke pity in me more often than
anger. I mean that. It seems like a really miserable life and mindset.

But the other psychology I don't get is intelligent and seemingly
healthy people who engage them and try to go point-for-point in their
bogus "debates". They seem to get lured in by one blatant and obvious
falsehood, and then while trying to counter this, become ensnared in
the larger "game" of "faux human interaction".

Oh jeez, it's all so pathetic.

[Harry Newton]

Another classic case of Apple Apology by both nospam and JollY Roger
attempting to make the wholly fabricated and ludicrous claim that every
manufacturer of smart phones *secretly*, *permanently*, and *drastically"
throttles CPU performance after just one year!

Here's a direct quote from the Apple Apologists Jolly Roger just today:
"All batteries degrade over time, and there has been zero evidence that
there is a widespread issue with Apple device battery defects across all
models of their devices. Also, Apple devices aren't "crashing",
"unexpectedly rebooting", or "locking up" due to dying batteries - those
are not symptoms of the problem. The symptom of the problem is the
device spontaneously shuts down in the middle of whatever you are doing
because performance was allowed to spike to a point where the current
draw was more than the battery in its deteriorated condition could
handle. If that happens to be during a critical moment during a 911
call, you're fucked. Nobody wants their smartphone to spontaneously shut
down. So Apple added a feature in iOS 10 that monitored battery health,
detected when batteries could no longer provide needed current, and
reduced *peak* *spikes* in performance from happening, which has the
natural effect of preventing unwanted shutdowns and extends runtime.
And since only peak spikes are prevented, most apps continue to run at
full speed. Extended runtime on a dying battery is something all of us
want out of our devices (well, those of us without a trollish agenda,
that is)."

Here's my response, which merely contains fact.

On 9 Jan 2018 18:06:36 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
> Android does indeed throttle in certain situations as well.

Despite the Apple Apologists incessant fabricated claisms always attempting
to imply that everyone *secretly*, *permanently*, and *drastically*
throttles CPUs (to less than half the original speeds!) after only a year
or so of use, the facts say otherwise.

Android Phones Do Not Slow Down Due to Old Batteries: Samsung, LG, Motorola, HTC
<https://www.bintooshoots.com/android-phones-do-not-slow-down-due-to-old-batteries-samsung-lg-motorola-htc/>

Apple Alone: Samsung, LG, Motorola, HTC All Deny Crippling Phones to Preserve Battery Life
<https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/261273-apple-alone-samsung-lte-motorola-htc-deny-crippling-phones-preserve-battery-life>

We don't throttle performance on our Android phones like Apple, say HTC and Motorola
<https://www.androidauthority.com/htc-motorola-iphone-throttle-cpu-performance-android-826193/>

HTC & Motorola don't follow Apple's idea of slowing down CPU performance
<https://phandroid.com/2017/12/28/htc-motorola-cpu-throttling-response/>

HTC and Motorola say they don't slow down phones with old batteries like Apple does
<https://www.phonedog.com/2017/12/28/htc-motorola-dont-slow-down-phones-old-batteries-apple>

Not us! Android makers say they never slow phones over battery problems
<https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/android-cpu-throttle-battery-news/>

Samsung and LG also confirm they do not slow down phones with older batteries
<https://www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-and-LG-also-confirm-they-do-not-slow-down-phones-with-older-batteries_id101140>

Samsung, LG, Motorola, HTC Confirm They Do Not Slow Down Older Devices
<http://www.bighugenews.com/post/Samsung,-LG,-Motorola,-HTC-confirm-they-do-not-slow-down-older-devices/>

No, Samsung and LG don't throttle their devices like Apple
<https://www.dailydot.com/debug/android-slow-down-phones/>

Samsung And LG Take A Dig At Apple, Claim That They Don't Slow Down Their Phones With Older Batteries
<http://naturalmakeuptutorialforbeginners.tk/news/Samsung-and-LG-Take-A-Dig-At-Apple,-Claim-That-They-Don%E2%80%99t-Slow-Down-Their-Phones-With-Older-Batteries/>

We don't throttle performance on our Android phones like Apple, say HTC and Motorola
<https://www.androidauthority.com/htc-motorola-iphone-throttle-cpu-performance-android-826193/>

HTC and Motorola say they don't slow old phones like Apple does
<https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/12/28/16825288/htc-motorola-dont-slow-processor-speeds-old-batteries-apple>

HTC & Motorola say they don't throttle older phones like Apple does as they age
<https://androidandme.com/2017/12/news/htc-and-motorola-say-they-dont-throttle-older-phones-as-batteries-age/>

Samsung, LG, HTC & Motorola don't slow old phones like Apple does
<https://www.androidos.in/2017/12/android-phones-cpu-throttling/>

Joining other Android makers, Samsung & LG claim to not throttle CPUs as batteries age
<https://9to5google.com/2017/12/29/lg-samsung-not-throttling-cpu-battery-apple/>

Apple battery controversy: This is what Samsung, LG, Motorola and HTC have to say to their users
<https://www.gadgetsnow.com/tech-news/apple-battery-controversy-this-is-what-samsung-lg-motorola-and-htc-have-to-say-to-their-users/articleshow/62297075.cms>

HTC and Motorola don+IBk-t throttle performance like Apple does
<http://pocketnow.com/2017/12/28/htc-and-motorola-throttling-policies-apple>

Motorola and HTC Confirm They Don't Throttle Older Devices
<https://www.xda-developers.com/motorola-htc-dont-throttle-older-devices/>

What's amazing is that the Apple Apologists deny what nobody else denies,
which is that Apple stands alone in what they did to *secretly*,
*permanently*, and *drastically* throttle iPhone performance
after about a year of use.

And Apple is on record saying they'll do the same to the iPhone 8 &
iPhone X (which makes the iPhone 8 about 1/2 an iPhone 8, or an
iPhone IV, and the iPhone X about an iPhone V, so you may as well
halve any benchmark you ever see on an iPhone moving forward because
it will be half the reported performance after only about a year of
use if they follow what their predecessors did.

These are all straight facts.

[Harry Newton]

On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 10:43:40 -0800, gtr wrote:

> Since I never find their personal attacks particularly "personal", but
> more frequently generic, I find they evoke pity in me more often than
> anger. I mean that. It seems like a really miserable life and mindset.

I agree with you that the incessant personal attacks by the Apple
Apologists to those who simply post facts they don't like is more
indicative of the childish ill educated mindset of the Apple Apologists,
than an attack to be taken personally.

The strange thing is that there are only two methods the Apple Apologists
use to confront facts, since they can't confront them directly.
1. They call the bearer of true valid facts a "troll" (and far worse), or,
2. They fabricate functionality on iOS that doesn't even exist

What is so very wrong with the Apple Apologists that they incessantly
fabricate fictional functionality to respond to valid facts?

I don't know.
There's an entire thread on the subject trying to find out why.

Why do iOS apologists incessantly fabricate fictional iOS functionality?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/vcq3ESStmlc/bjhf9Z5vBAAJ>

Worse, since the Apple Apologists can't respond to facts with facts, they
resort to fabricating entire content that never existed, just so that they
can respond (seemingly wittily) to them. Can you believe that?

Why does Jolly Roger habitually fabricate quoted content?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/FJ0ScwZ9sLE/d40Bp9jKDQAJ>

So you are correct, these fact-hating Apple Apologist trolls constantly act
like the opposite of an adult.

For example, the well-known troll who goes by the arbitrary nym Jolly Roger
consistently fills the group with his hateful vehement vitriol simply
because he, like Savageduck, can't stand facts about his beloved product.

For example, just today, the Apple Apologist *Hemidactylus* responded to a
true fact today about Safari releasing an update with:
"Says a fuckwit."

The fact-hating Apple Apologist Savageduck calls all true facts a "taunt",
as he did here just yesterday:
"He taunts with his provocative bait"

In other words, the fact-hating Savageduck truly hates actual valid facts.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2018-01-09, Harry Newton <harryn...@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 10:43:40 -0800, gtr wrote:
>
>> Since I never find their personal attacks particularly "personal", but
>> more frequently generic, I find they evoke pity in me more often than
>> anger. I mean that. It seems like a really miserable life and mindset.
>

> I agree with you that I am a problem here.

Good.

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> blah.

All that effort for nothing. Pity.

[Harry Newton]

On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 21:58:41 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> I have him flagged, not deleted, because some times I find a few things
> he says interesting. Till he starts with his rampages... :-(

If you find a single mistruth ever stated by me, let everyone know.
You won't find a single one because I only speak fact.

The reason any thread involving fact-hating Apple Apologists drags on
forever is that the Apple Apologists *hate* the truth.

For the simplest of examples, look at this post today:
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/ydeKBfyo-O0/2ZQfQ_6REAAJ>

1. I called Apple over the span of days asking the same question.
2. Apple refuses to reveal, over the phone, the full price & tax.
3. When I mentioned that fact - nospam instantly denies that fact.

Yet, it's trivial to confirm with a single phone call:
a. Call Apple and ask for the tax on the service in California
b. They will refuse to tell you what they tax

Try it.

When I confront nospam's denial with fact, Jolly Roger chimes in with
typical Apple Apologist hate-filled vitriol. As do the other fact-hating
Apple Apologists.

The fact-hating Apple Apologist are what wrecks this newsgroup.

[nospam]

In article <p338ov$1117$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Harry Newton

<harryn...@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:

> If you find a single mistruth ever stated by me, let everyone know.

it's been done, countless times.

[Harry Newton]

On Tue, 09 Jan 2018 15:31:47 -0500, nospam wrote:

>> If you find a single mistruth ever stated by me, let everyone know.
>
> it's been done, countless times.

You respond with the most childish of taunts, but the facts remain and your
outright denial of the facts doesn't make them untrue.

Facts are anathema to you fact-hating Apple Apologists.
1. Jolly Roger posted classic Apple Apologists blame others for what Apple
did
2. I posted a dozen articles factually refuting Jolly Roger's claim
3. Jolly Roger responds "blah blah blah" & "All that effort for nothing".
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/FZVR227jn4g/3KKAfGTJAQAJ>

The Apple Apologists flip a coin to deny any fact they simply don't like.
1. I posted that Apple won't tell you the battery-service tax on the phone
2. Nonsense, says the fact-hating Apple Apologist nospam.
3. And yet, it's true (and easily proven).
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/fyL1cQUVCp0/DPztEFSPAQAJ>

I always wondered why the half-dozen fact-hating Apple Apologists hate
facts.

I think it may be that the Apple Apologists hate fact because:
a. Facts shake the foundation of the Apple Apologists' belief system
b. Few of the fact-hating Apple Apologists appear to be formally educated
Jolly Roger, Lewis, nospam, BKonRamp, Savageduck, *Hemidactylus*, etc.

[Harry Newton]

On 9 Jan 2018 19:54:54 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> All that effort for nothing. Pity.

Facts are anathema to you fact-hating Apple Apologists.

I always wondered why you fact-hating Apple Apologists hate facts.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2018-01-09, Harry Newton <harryn...@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 09 Jan 2018 15:31:47 -0500, nospam wrote:
>
>>> If you find a single mistruth ever stated by me, let everyone know.
>>
>> it's been done, countless times.
>
> You respond with the most childish of taunts

You ignore and argue with anyone who calls you out on your trolls, and
*that* is childish.

> but the facts remain

Your so-called "facts" are lies.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2018-01-09, Harry Newton <harryn...@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:

> On 9 Jan 2018 19:54:54 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> All that effort for nothing. Pity.
>
> Facts are anathema

Projection. Your so-called "facts" are nothing but lies spun to attack
complete strangers who just so happen to use Apple products.

> I always wondered why you fact-hating Apple Apologists hate facts.

I wonder how many more times you can include the word "fact" in one
sentence. It's as if you think the mere mention of the word is enough to
turn your silly trollish lies into truths.

[dorayme]

In article <0001HW.2004437502...@news.giganews.com>,

Yes, I was thinking about that too! A lot seems to depend on sibling
rivalry and the way parents treat different children. Not sure what
Sulloway said on only children, a PDF of part of Sulloway's writings


<http://www.sulloway.org/BirthOrder-Sulloway-1999a.pdf>

is difficult to search on my Safari or on my Preview on MB running
Snow. I better read it all soon!

--
dorayme

[dorayme]

In article <p332gs$ojq$1...@news.albasani.net>, gtr <x...@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> But the other psychology I don't get is intelligent and seemingly
> healthy people who engage them and try to go point-for-point in their
> bogus "debates". They seem to get lured in by one blatant and obvious
> falsehood, and then while trying to counter this, become ensnared in
> the larger "game" of "faux human interaction".
>
> Oh jeez, it's all so pathetic.

Yes, it is. It is as if human beings have a lot to answer for. Except
that there is, in the end, no one to answer to.

There is a South African philosophy professor, David Benatar, who
argues that it would be better if there were no humans at all,
probably no animals either, that it is better not to have children. I
am becoming more and more impressed by his arguments.

To the objection that this seems to suggest we should all suicide he
has a nice reply: you pay your money, go to the cinema and see a not
too good movie but it is not so bad that you walk out. Still, if you
knew what it was like before paying and entering, you would not have
gone.

The idea is that there is too much bad in the world caused by human
beings. As for the good, of which there is doubtless plenty, he argues
that it won't be missed by anyone because there will be no one born
(given that parents heed the advice not to have children) to miss it.
And, of course, if they are not born, they will not suffer or add to
the suffering in the world.

--
dorayme

[dorayme]

In article <090120181531474478%nos...@nospam.invalid>,

Would you stop answering this moron? And how about shutting up
yourself for a while. It won't kill you. You will be refreshed by the
experience.

The Ashes cricket between Australia and England have been on recently
here in Australia. The cricket commentators, all former great players,
seem not to understand that it is perfectly ok for them to STOP
TALKING and repeating themselves endlessly and let people enjoy
watching the game on TV. I am reminded of this when I see your endless
rubbish and replies to rubbish on this usenet.

--
dorayme

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2018-01-09 21:30, Harry Newton wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 21:58:41 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>> I have him flagged, not deleted, because some times I find a few things
>> he says interesting. Till he starts with his rampages... :-(
>
> If you find a single mistruth ever stated by me, let everyone know.
> You won't find a single one because I only speak fact.

Dozens!

--
Cheers, Carlos.

[Harry Newton]

On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 11:04:56 +1100, dorayme wrote:

>> it's been done, countless times.
>
> Would you stop answering this moron?

dorayme,

Calling me a "moron" is like me calling you a "bitch".

I realize you're all emotion - and not a lick of logic - so I'll be gentle
with you since you lack any semblance of logical thought processes.

I do believe you are educated, are you not?

If you are actually educated, then you know that I provided *facts* that
refuted what Jolly Roger stated.

If you *comprehended* those facts, then you do have the capability to
comprehend facts.

To call me a moron for providing facts merely says something about you.

[Harry Newton]

On 9 Jan 2018 21:14:18 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

>> Facts are anathema
>
> Projection. Your so-called "facts" are nothing but lies spun to attack
> complete strangers who just so happen to use Apple products.

Except that when you claimed Android did the same thing as Apple did with
the throttling of the CPU, I gave you a dozen articles that directly
refuted your claim that Android does the same thing as Apple in throttling
CPUs, and you responded to those valid verified facts with "blah blah
blah".
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/FZVR227jn4g/3KKAfGTJAQAJ>

You fact-hating Apple Apologists seem to think *all* facts are
*"nothing but lies"*.

I always wondered why you fact-hating Apple Apologists say that all facts
are lies.

I think the reason you call all facts lies is that:
1. I think facts shake the very foundation of your belief system.
2. And you are not formally educated (so facts are anathema to you).

This applies to the half dozen or so fact-hating Apple Apologists:
*Jolly Roger, Lewis, nospam, BKonRamp, Savageduck, Hemidactylus, etc.*

> I wonder how many more times you can include the word "fact" in one
> sentence. It's as if you think the mere mention of the word is enough to
> turn your silly trollish lies into truths.

You fact-hating Apple Apologists cringe when you hear facts.
Even the word makes you cringe.

You fact-hating Apple Appologists vastly prefer your lies.

This only applies to the half-dozen or so fact-hating Apple Apologists who
infest this newsgroup, making it less useful for those of us who simply
wish to carry on a normal adult technical on-topic conversation.
*Jolly Roger, Lewis, nospam, BKonRamp, Savageduck, Hemidactylus, etc.*

[Harry Newton]

On 9 Jan 2018 21:10:26 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Your so-called "facts" are lies.

I *love* when you post because I learn the most about the fact-hating Apple
Apologists from what you write (as nospam is far more clever at attempting
to refute facts than you are).

I provided a dozen valid factual news articles, each of which discussed the
factual reports from a bevy of the top Android phone makers who went on
record directly refuting what you claimed to be the case.

You call them all "lies".

One has to wonder why the fact-hating Apple Apologists call all facts lies,
but I think I am slowly beginning to understand why you act like you do.

1. I think facts shake the utter foundation of your belief system, and,
2. I think the half-dozen Apple Apologists completely lack higher education
*Jolly Roger, Lewis, nospam, BKonRamp, Savageduck, Hemidactylus, etc.*

[Harry Newton]

On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 02:03:00 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

>> If you find a single mistruth ever stated by me, let everyone know.
>> You won't find a single one because I only speak fact.
>
> Dozens!

I think all of you fact-free people who responded lack any semblance of a
formal education because nobody who is educated who cares about their
credibility would risk their credibility by making the lame statement you
just made.

You'd earn an F for making that claim without backing it up with a single
referenced fact.

Not one fact do you *ever* provide, Carlos.

Your'e the fact-free Carlos E.R. of this newsgroup.

You know I consider you fact free - and I've *always* considered you fact
free, so, all you need to do is list a single time, in thousands of my
posts, where I listed an incorrect fact.

Name just one.

[nospam]

In article <p33v8h$o9$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Harry Newton
<harryn...@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:

> call me a moron

if you insist.

[nospam]

In article <p33v8i$o9$2...@gioia.aioe.org>, Harry Newton

<harryn...@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:

> Android does the same thing as Apple in throttling

yep.

[Harry Newton]

I love this post because you're different from Jolly Roger in that you
*contort* the facts to fit your belief system.

[Harry Newton]

What I like about you is that you contort facts to fit your belief system.

It's a classic Apple Apologist tactic.

[Snit]

On 1/7/18, 10:27 PM, in article p2uvf9$1lp$1...@gioia.aioe.org, "Harry Newton"

<harryn...@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:

> On 7 Jan 2018 22:34:19 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> You're the joke here. You attack every single person who calls you out
>> on your lies
>
> Name a single lie I'vfe made in my tens of thousands of posts.
> Name just one.

You repeatedly claim iOS has no features that Android lacks, but then even
you admit that to get a subset of SIMPLE functionality on iOS to work on
Android you need extra hardware to do it. You even went out of your way to
post videos proving you needed this added hardware.

The features discussed:

* Record screen AND voice AND device sounds without jail breaking.
Also record desktop screen and sound with the time coordinated.

And to get even the first line of that you admitted you needed added
hardware. These are the videos you provided to prove that point:

<https://youtu.be/cywLOctCrCs>
<https://youtu.be/bYDvgoYSVSU>
<https://youtu.be/G0sKTWfHHnk>
<https://youtu.be/TfvtREsCQDY>

This is a lie you tell over and over and over. You also lie about others
with your name calling... saying anyone who points out your lies about
Android is an "iOS apologist". That is clearly an unambiguously a lie on
your part.



--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

[Snit]

On 1/7/18, 10:27 PM, in article p2uvf9$1lp$1...@gioia.aioe.org, "Harry Newton"
<harryn...@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:

> On 7 Jan 2018 22:34:19 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> You're the joke here. You attack every single person who calls you out
>> on your lies
>
> Name a single lie I'vfe made in my tens of thousands of posts.
> Name just one.

Why just one? Here are a bunch!

harry newton:
-----
Apple, for the first time ever, made a smartphone camera that isn't
on the bottom of the top ten best current Android cameras out there!
-----

But by your own link (<https://www.dxomark.com/category/mobile-reviews>, and
on the date of at least one of his references to this link:
<https://goo.gl/oNyNDC>) and evidence, iPhones have repeatedly been in the
top 10... in fact on your own link 5 of the top 10 best camera phones were
different iPhones.

harry newton:
-----
Notice you don't call Snit out on his utter fabrications that
Android can't record audio ...
-----

Of note, Snit NEVER said, suggested, hinted, or implied that Android cannot
record audio. That was a lie by you.

harry newton:
-----
Notice how Snit keeps trolling that cut-and-paste claiming that
Android can't record audio with video (for heaven's sake)?
-----

Of note, Snit NEVER said, suggested, hinted, or implied that Android cannot
record audio with video. This was you lying again.

harry newton:
-----
That's OK; but you argue that it does - and - worse - you can't find
a single functionality that iOS devices can do that Android devices
don't already do
-----

And yet harry has yet to show the FIRST feature that came to mind for me:

* Record screen AND voice AND device sounds without jail breaking.
Also record desktop screen and sound with the time coordinated.

To his credit, harry did show PART of this (the first line), but even then
he used a rooted Android device and showed no evidence it could be done on
non-rooted devices without using additional hardware.

harry newton:
-----
When Snit repeatedly "claims" Apple doesn't disable useful features
-----

Another fabrication by "harry". I never spoke on that topic.

See, Harry, it is trivial to quote far more than just one of your lies. In
fact, when asked to find a post of yours where you did NOT lie, you failed.

Can you find one now?

[harry newton]

He who is Harry Newton said on Sat, 6 Jan 2018 03:51:16 +0000 (UTC):

> Only on the Apple-related newsgroups do the recipients constantly:
> a. Always try to deflect blame away from Apple, and,
> b. Call all facts they don't like, trolls.

Apple CEO Tim Cook Says Power Management Feature in Older iPhones Will Be
Able to Be Turned Off in Future Update
<https://www.macrumors.com/2018/01/17/tim-cook-on-iphone-battery-controversy/>

"Previously there was no clear notice that it would cause devices
to operate slowly."

"Cook says Apple will also allow customers to turn off the power
management feature ... first in a developer release that happens
next month."

"We will tell someone we're reducing your performance ...and if you
don't want [reduced performance], you can turn it off."

[Harold Newton]

On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 03:51:16 +0000 (UTC), Harry Newton wrote:

> Why are Apple Apologists not like normal people when it comes to facts?

Only Apple screws its customers to the wall with the iOS updates.

Read this:
<https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2018/01/18/apple-ios-11-3-release-upgrade-iphone-shutdown-iphone-battery-problem/>

"Apple's Reasoning Still Doesn't Add Up"
"Apple's Transparency Still Sucks"

"Apple's Reasoning Still Doesn't Add Up"
"The company blames the natural degradation of lithium-ion batteries,
without addressing why rivals state such measures are unnecessary.
Samsung in particular reiterated to me it can retain 95% lithium-ion
battery capacity for at least two years."

"Apple also hasn't explained why the first six generations of iPhones
were unaffected (even the 2007 original iPhone had a 1400 mAh
lithium-ion battery) or why "protective" stability measures weren't
required in the first nine generations of iOS (throttling began with
the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6S in iOS 10.2.1, released in January 2017)."

"Apple's Transparency Still Sucks"
"Let's be frank, for all Tim Cook's claims of transparency moving
forward, the only reason Apple is doing any of this is because it
was caught out. Furthermore, in speaking to ABC, Cook appears to
be rewriting history".

NOTE: It has been proven the "power management" part was added way
*later* to the original January release notes, and *never* to the
iPhone 7 release notes.
? Evidence Apple cleverly manipulated iOS release notes on "power
management" after the fact
?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/KXhivHMvrlY>

"But I was paying attention. I review iOS releases, my exclusive broke
the original shutdown problem and here's the "clarity" offered by the
iOS 10.2.1 release notes: "iOS 10.2.1 includes bug fixes and improves
the security of your device."

"It was no better one year later either. When Apple launched iOS 11.2
in December 2017, the update added potential performance throttling
for the iPhone 7. The iOS 11.2 release notes said: "iOS 11.2 introduces
Apple Pay Cash to send, request and receive money from friends and
family with Apple Pay. This update also includes bug fixes and
improvements."

"Yes Tim, this could've been clearer."

"For those who bought an iPhone 8, iPhone 8 Plus or iPhone X last
year only to find out performance throttling is likely to begin
this year may feel shortchanged as well."

Trust:
"So iOS 11.3 is indeed The Big One. Obviously it's big for iPhone
owners, but it's equally big for Apple because - done right - it
can do more than just restore iPhones. It can do what Apple
has singularly failed to do with words: it can restore trust."