Limnophila sp. Hooghly

[surajit koley]

Sir,

This is Limnophila sp., found in a marsh beside railway-tracks, yesterday. It is still unclear to me which species of the "Bengal Plants" it might be :-

• http://ia600604.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?id=mobot31753000237419&itemPath=%2F32%2Fitems%2Fmobot31753000237419&server=ia600604.us.archive.org&page=n103_w1150.jpg
  
• http://ia600604.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?id=mobot31753000237419&itemPath=%2F32%2Fitems%2Fmobot31753000237419&server=ia600604.us.archive.org&page=n104_w1150.jpg
• http://ia700604.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?id=mobot31753000237419&itemPath=%2F32%2Fitems%2Fmobot31753000237419&server=ia700604.us.archive.org&page=n105_w1150.jpg

Thank you,

Regards,

surajit

[jmgarg1]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

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[surajit koley]

Sir,

Page 762 and 763 of "Bengal Plants" describe Limnophila, the links are -

• http://ia700604.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?id=mobot31753000237419&itemPath=%2F32%2Fitems%2Fmobot31753000237419&server=ia700604.us.archive.org&page=n103_w1150.jpg
  
• http://ia600604.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?id=mobot31753000237419&itemPath=%2F32%2Fitems%2Fmobot31753000237419&server=ia600604.us.archive.org&page=n104_w1150.jpg
  

Could this be Limnophila cana?

Regards,

surajit

[Giby Kuriakose]

I think L. heterophylla

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[surajit koley]

Thank you Giby Sir.

Also received an earlier personal email suggesting ID as L. heterophylla, but -

Description of L. heterophylla in 1) F. B. I. iv. 270. and 2) Bengal Plants ii. 763. informs :-

• stem always glabrous
• uppermost leaves (the 2 uppermost) usually opposite, ... the next below 4-6 nately whorled pinnate, the lowest submerged long capillaceo-multifid

I think my species lacks the above features.

Description of L. heterophylla in FoC states :-

• aerial stem with sessile glands or pilose or nearly smooth and glabrous.....
• (in) rice-fields, brackish water....

I am not sure if my species is pilose or hirsute, the later being a feature of L. cana

There is a post of L. heterophylla in our group - https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/veCSBUpgrqw/discussion, but in L. heterophylla flowers are sessile or subsessile.

Regards,

surajit

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

Page 762 and 763 of "Bengal Plants" describe Limnophila, the links are - http://ia700604.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?id=mobot31753000237419&itemPath=%2F32%2Fitems%2Fmobot31753000237419&server=ia700604.us.archive.org&page=n103_w1150.jpg http://ia600604.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?id=mobot31753000237419&itemPath=%2F32%2Fitems%2Fmobot31753000237419&server=ia600604.us.archive.org&page=n104_w1150.jpg Could this be Limnophila cana? Regards, surajit

I think L. heterophylla Regards Giby
Thank you Giby Sir.

Also received an earlier personal email suggesting ID as L. heterophylla, but - Description of L. heterophylla in 1) F. B. I. iv. 270. and 2) Bengal Plants ii. 763. informs :- stem always glabrous uppermost leaves (the 2 uppermost) usually opposite, ... the next below 4-6 nately whorled pinnate, the lowest submerged long capillaceo-multifid I think my species lacks the above features. Description of L. heterophylla in FoC states :- aerial stem with sessile glands or pilose or nearly smooth and glabrous..... (in) rice-fields, brackish water.... I am not sure if my species is pilose or hirsute, the later being a feature of L. cana There is a post of L. heterophylla in our group - https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/veCSBUpgrqw/discussion, but in L. heterophylla flowers are sessile or subsessile.   Regards, surajit

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Date: 23 December 2012 23:13
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[Mayur Nandikar]

Yes it is Limnophilla heterophylla

Garg ji, Might be you remember this plant is also we collected from Jokha mashes with polymorphic leaves. 

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[surajit koley]

Thank you very much Sir, i think "Bengal Plants" and "F. B. I." must have missed some features while describing L. heterophylla Benth. Alternatively L. cana Griff. is included in L. heterophylla Benth.

Regards,

surajit

[J.M. Garg]

Yeah, I agree Mayur ji- it was the same aquatic plant.

[surajit koley]

Garg Sir,

I find that this post has been placed under Limnophila heterophylla (Roxb.) Benth. of eFI site - https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/p/plantaginaceae/limnophila/limnophila-heterophylla.

I beg to differ, it cannot be Limnophila heterophylla (Roxb.) Benth.

• the description of Limnophila heterophylla Benth. in F. B. I. can be found at - http://ia700606.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?id=mobot21753000004357&itemPath=%2F23%2Fitems%2Fmobot21753000004357&server=ia700606.us.archive.org&page=n273_w1150.jpg.
• the description of Limnophila heterophylla Benth. in "Bengal Plants" can be found at - http://ia600604.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?id=mobot31753000237419&itemPath=%2F32%2Fitems%2Fmobot31753000237419&server=ia600604.us.archive.org&page=n104_w1150.jpg
• relevant entry of Limnophila heterophylla Benth. in F. I. can be found at - http://ia600607.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?id=mobot31753000967882&itemPath=%2F18%2Fitems%2Fmobot31753000967882&server=ia600607.us.archive.org&page=n102_w1150.jpg and it continues - http://ia700607.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?id=mobot31753000967882&itemPath=%2F18%2Fitems%2Fmobot31753000967882&server=ia700607.us.archive.org&page=n103_w1150.jpg

I think either it is Limnophila cana Griff., as i suggested before, or it is Limnophila racemosa Benth. (http://plantillustrations.org/ILLUSTRATIONS_HD/61400.jpg, source - http://plantillustrations.org/species.php?id_species=605445). The problem with the later is that "Bengal Plants" mentioned, ".... pedicels as long as or longer than calyx....", what is not found in the pictures in this post.

As per "Bengal Plants" and "Flora of British India" Limnophila heterophylla Benth. should have at least 4-nate leaves.

Attaching one more photo for your kind perusal.

Thank you,

Regards,

surajit

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Surajit ji,
I will correct it based on your feedback & of others subesequently, if any.

Both are shown as unresolved names in the Plant List & not menmtioned in either GRIN or The efloras.

http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-2497702
http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-2498097

 

We have also to find the current status of these names.

[surajit koley]

Thank you Garg Sir

I can only say that if presently any or both of Limnophila cana Griff. and Limnophila racemosa Benth. is/are included in Limnophila heterophylla (Roxb.) Benth. then only it can be the same.

You may find the following links, on Limnophila racemosa Benth. and others, interesting -

• http://books.google.co.in/books?id=NtAaG2RDTGUC&pg=PA153&lpg=PA153&dq=limnophila+racemosa&source=bl&ots=GGSBro_AVL&sig=8Z7tPUchlFECuq-LD_scHw51OpI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=hB4CUYSYNIesrAfalIHYCg&ved=0CEoQ6AEwBjgK#v=onepage&q=limnophila%20racemosa&f=false
  
• http://books.google.co.in/books?id=gMwLwbUwtfkC&pg=PA795&lpg=PA795&dq=limnophila+racemosa&source=bl&ots=_AC0BcEWXL&sig=N9m6aT0YINUsQ-X4hrhJCITnv7w&hl=en&sa=X&ei=hB4CUYSYNIesrAfalIHYCg&ved=0CEcQ6AEwBTgK#v=onepage&q=limnophila%20racemosa&f=false
  
• http://books.google.co.in/books?id=fhN0VK2608QC&pg=PA208&lpg=PA208&dq=limnophila+racemosa&source=bl&ots=LNKofuEvlC&sig=ScKYOxW-R_TdUP2lbWIeLFoTHLQ&hl=en&sa=X&ei=hB4CUYSYNIesrAfalIHYCg&ved=0CCwQ6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q=limnophila%20racemosa&f=false
  
• http://books.google.co.in/books?id=y4MEk-2tkV0C&pg=PA1246&lpg=PA1246&dq=limnophila+racemosa&source=bl&ots=zp9h9nVBLZ&sig=a7Fse6F1XWMPcfKVqdje_1lyLgU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=hB4CUYSYNIesrAfalIHYCg&ved=0CD0Q6AEwAzgK#v=onepage&q=limnophila%20racemosa&f=false
  
• http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do;jsessionid=D5A118669EC0468B51ADDDDCA561BF97?id=804352-1&back_page=%2Fipni%2FeditAdvPlantNameSearch.do%3Bjsessionid%3DD5A118669EC0468B51ADDDDCA561BF97%3Ffind_infragenus%3D%26find_isAPNIRecord%3Dtrue%26find_geoUnit%3D%26find_includePublicationAuthors%3Dtrue%26find_addedSince%3D%26find_family%3D%26find_genus%3DLimnophila%26find_isGCIRecord%3Dtrue%26find_infrafamily%3D%26find_rankToReturn%3D%26find_publicationTitle%3D%26find_authorAbbrev%3D%26find_infraspecies%3D%26find_includeBasionymAuthors%3Dtrue%26find_modifiedSince%3D%26find_isIKRecord%3Dtrue%26find_species%3D%26output_format%3Dnormal
  

On L. cana Griff. i couldn't find anything in the net, except the description in Bengal Plants and F. B. I.

Regards,

surajit

[J.M. Garg]

A reply from Dr. Subir Ghosh:

"Dear Mr. Garg,

I think this is Limnophila aromatica. You may feel a karpur like smell from the leaves. Flower 1-2 cm. Stem without hair; long above water. Usally in small patches.

Regards,

Subir K Ghosh"

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[surajit koley]

Garg Sir,

Thank you very much, Please convey my heartiest thanks to Dr. Ghosh.

Regards,

surajit

[J.M. Garg]

A reply from surajit ji in another thread:

"About a fortnight ago i received a mail from Taiwan. A botanist working on Limnophila confirms this. We had a few correspondence regarding various Limnophila species.

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Regarding other two species i copy (highlighted in yellow) part of her mails -

1) ..................................

 

2) https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups=#!starred/indiantreepix/XqJO-7bupdo

" I also think there are some different thinking about Limnophila between most people from India and me. But I think yours is quite correct. As I see in this discuss.

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!starred/indiantreepix/XqJO-7bupdo

In my point of view, I would say it's Limnophila aquatica, with densely long hair and bigger flower. Please see the attachment. It's Limnophila heterophylla that I think which is shortly hirsute and with much smaller flowers."

Please, note that in another subsequent mail she writes -

"About L. aquatica or L. cana, it's also a thorny problem for me. In my point of view, I think they might be same species. Do you think the length of pedicels is stable enough? I thought sometimes they can be pedicellate, sometimes they can be sessile or sub-sessile. Or depend on different part of inflorescence. If you have time, you can observe it nearby. Regretfully, my images mostly come from specimens.

Just like one of my friend from Europe who is desirely willing to come to Taiwan, I wish I could go to south Asia and southeast Asia to botanize around someday.

Best wishes,"

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[surajit koley]

Dear Garg Sir,

"About a fortnight ago i received a mail from Taiwan. A botanist working on Limnophila confirms this." these very words apply only for the statement - This is NOT Limnophila diffusa Benth., in another post - https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/uMNRbnN_CNQ/HUkgXPOzxyoJ.

Thank you,

Regards,

surajit

[J.M. Garg]

I think it should be Limnophila chinensis as per references herein and as per keys at Flora of China.

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[J.M. Garg]

Let us keep it as Limnophila aquatica only in view of description and specimens at Flora of Peninsular India 

[surajit koley]

Thank you.Sir for the updated id.

With regards,

Surajit Koley

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Surajit ji.