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Etznab
Jul 15, 2016, 5:27:08 PM7/15/16
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Quoting excerpts by David Lane ...
Twitchell's enormous editing of names reached a pinnacle when he decided to publish in book form The Flute of God. The work was originally printed in installments in Orion Magazine, from 1965 to 1967. The first six chapters of the text profusely mention the names of Kirpal Singh, Sawan Singh, and Jesus Christ. When Twitchell had the book republished, however, he redacted every single mention of Kirpal Singh, Sawan Singh, and Swami Premananda. In some cases, he even edited out the name Jesus and replaced it with "Gopal Das" or other Eckankar Masters. And, although he quotes from the Christian Bible, he even changes the name of his source (to that of the Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad) while retaining the same biblical quote. Below is a comparison study of the two versions. Remember that the Orion version is the earliest, and that Twitchell's editing is primarily "name replacements."
The Flute Of God by Paul Twitchell as it appeared in installments in Orion Magazine. Chapter I - "In The Beginning" (March-April, 1966):
Par. 3: "I remember very well when Swami Premananda, of India, who has a Yoga church in Washington, D. C., said, 'When someone asked Bertrand Russell what his philosophy of Life was, he wrote several volumes of books on the subject."
The Flute Of God by Paul Twitchell as published by Illuminated Way Press (1970). Chapter I - "In The Beginning":
Par. 3: "I remember very well when Sudar Singh, the great Eck Master said, 'When someone asked Bertrand Russell what his philosophy of Life was, he wrote several volumes of books on the subject."
The Flute Of God by Paul Twitchell as it appeared in installments in Orion Magazine. Chapter I - "In The Beginning" (March-April, 1966):
Par. 15: "I have studied under many teacher [sic], and may yet have to study under more. Like Meher Baba, the Indian saint, who was said to have nineteen teachers to help him gain his place in the universe, I have so far had seven, some outstanding ones, including Sri Kirpal Singh, of Delhi, India."
The Flute Of God by Paul Twitchell as published by Illuminated Way Press (1970). Chapter I - "In The Beginning":
Par. 16: "I have studied under many ECK Masters only they have led me to the highest truth. Like Fubbi Quantz, the ECK saint, who was said to have nineteen teachers to help him gain his place in the universe, I have also had several, each outstanding, one being Sudar Singh of India."
The Flute Of God by Paul Twitchell as it appeared in installments in Orion Magazine. Chapter I - "In The Beginning" (March-April, 1966):
Par. 16: "Each has had a place in my growth toward the spiritual goal; each are equally great in their work for mankind. However, I have felt a closer kinship and friendliness to Kirpal Singh, who has shown me a lot of the other work during my first year or so under him. Since we have parted he keeps an impartial view toward me and my research. Therefore, if I quote him in these pages it is because I feel that he is sympathetic and interested in my work."
The Flute Of God by Paul Twitchell as published by Illuminated Way Press (1970). Chapter I - "In The Beginning":
Par. 17: "Each has had a place in my growth toward the spiritual goal; each is equally great in his work for mankind. However, I have felt a closer kinship and friendliness to Sudar Singh, who showed me a lot of the other work, during my first year or so under him. Since we have parted he has retained an impartial view toward me and my research. If I quote him in these pages it is because I feel that he is sympathetic and interested in my work and led me to Rebazar Tarzs."
The Flute Of God by Paul Twitchell as it appeared in installments in Orion Magazine. Chapter I - "In The Beginning" (March-April, 1966):
Par. 32: "Life fascinates me. Certain details of life to be worked out are strange. Lying on the bed late at night I watch the pattern of shadows weaving about the room. In the presence of familiar night visitors like Kirpal Singh, or Rebazar Tarzs, a Tibetan Lama, who come often in their Nuri-Sarup, or others, some strangers, some friends, I wonder about life."
The Flute Of God by Paul Twitchell as published by Illuminated Way Press (1970). Chapter I - "In The Beginning":
Par. 34: "Life fascinates me. Certain details of life that have to be worked out are strange. Lying on the bed late at night I watch the pattern of shadows weaving about the room. In the presence of familiar night visitors like Sudar Singh, or Rebazar Tarzs, the ECK Masters who come often in their Nuri-Sarup bodies, or others, some strangers, some friends, I wonder about life."
The Flute Of God by Paul Twitchell as it appeared in installments in Orion Magazine. Chapter II - "The Symbol of The Princes":
Par. 12: "Therefore, the principal (sic) involved here is: `We live and have our being in the Supreme Being.' Jesus said it in another way as `we move and have our being in God.' Other savants e.g., Jalalddin Maulana Rumi put it another way, `Divine Grace is not limited by the conditions of ability, but ability, in fact, is conditioned by Divine Grace.'"
The Flute Of God by Paul Twitchell as published by Illuminated Way Press (1970). Chapter II - "The Symbol of The Princes":
Par. 11: "Therefore, the principle involved here is,`We live and have our being in the Supreme Being.' Lai Tsi, the Chinese ECK Master, said it this way, `We live and move and have our being in the SUGMAD.' Other savants state it in a slightly different vein. For instance, Jalaluddin Maulana Rumi said, `Divine Grace is not limited by the conditions of ability - but ability, in fact, is conditioned by Divine Grace.'"
The Flute Of God by Paul Twitchell as it appeared in installments in Orion Magazine. Chapter II - "The Symbol of The Princes":
Par. 48: "This is what Kirpal Singh speaks of in his discourses. `We must become the conscious co-worker of God.' Meaning, of course, that once man is freed of his imbalances he inherits the throne and does his work for the whole."
The Flute Of God by Paul Twitchell as published by Illuminated Way Press (1970). Chapter II - "The Symbol of the Princes":
Par. 45: "This is what Sudar Singh spoke of in his dialogues. `We must become the conscious co-workers of God.'"
The Flute Of God by Paul Twitchell as it appeared in installments in Orion Magazine. Chapter III - "Purification of the Princes" (Sept.-Oct. 1966):
Par. 37: "All masters of earlier days, to name a few: Buddha, Gura Nanak (sic), Christ, Mohammed, Zoroaster, Lao Tse, George Fox, Sawan Singh, Confucius, Krishna and Shankhacharya exhorted us to know ourselves. Kabir says the same thing `Learn to die a hundred times daily, not once.'"
The Flute Of God by Paul Twitchell as published by Illuminated Way Press (1970). Chapter III - "Purification of the Princes":
Par. 37: "All ECK Masters of earlier days exhorted us to know ourselves. . .Gopal Das says the same thing, `Learn to die a hundred times daily, not once.'"
The Flute Of God by Paul Twitchell as it appeared in installments in Orion Magazine. Chapter III - "Purification of the Princes" (Sept.-Oct. 1966):
Par. 38: "Christ said, 'Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God.' Guru Nanak said, 'Be pure that truth may be realized.'"
The Flute Of God by Paul Twitchell as published by Illuminated Way Press (1970). Chapter III - "Purification of the Princes":
Par. 38: "Jesus said, 'Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God.' Rebazar Tarzs said, 'Be pure so that truth may be known.'"
The Flute Of God by Paul Twitchell as it appeared in installment in Orion Magazine. Ch. I, Par. 41:
"When Jesus looked upon His people and said, `I cannot tell you more because you cannot hear the whole truth.' He was saying that they were so far down the spiral of life they could not grasp His meaning. To tell them all would bring disorder into their lives, for once exposed to Truth, those not understanding develop hostility."
The Flute Of God by Paul Twitchell as published by Illuminated Way Press (1970). Ch. I, Par. 42:
"When the ECK Master, Gopal Das, looked upon his people and said, `I cannot tell you more because you cannot hear the whole ECK,' he was saying that they were so far down the spiral of life they could not grasp his meaning. To tell them would bring disorder into their lives, for once exposed to Truth, those not understanding develop hostility."
The Flute Of God by Paul Twitchell as it appeared in installments in Orion Magazine. Ch. I, Par. 44:
"One of my experiences while serving under the Yoga Satsang line of masters, was that I found one of the masters in the guise of a beggar. I had been in difficulty for sometime, and very unhappy over the fact that nothing could be found to solve my problem."
The Flute Of God by Paul Twitchell as published by Illuminated Way Press (1970). Ch. I, Par. 45:
"One of my experiences, while serving under Rebazar Tarzs, was that I found one of the ECK Masters in the guise of a beggar. I had been in difficulty for some time, and was very unhappy over the fact that nothing could be found to solve my problem."
[Based on: http://webspace.webring.com/people/de/eckcult/chapters/tmsm5.html]
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Jul 16, 2016, 6:03:12 PM7/16/16
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Go on. Give an honest answer if you can.
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Henosis Sage
Jul 16, 2016, 11:53:15 PM7/16/16
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"can you muster an honest answer to my questions?"
Two eyes, two ears versus one big mouth that never shuts up.
Silence is Golden.
RE: "... when I say that plagiarism is irrelevant? Is that because you depend
on it so heavily? Because without it having value your entire argument falls in
on itself?? Because it does...that is undeniable...is that why you are so
overly attached to the idea of plagiarism??? In a decade you have never moved
beyond it........."
on itself?? Because it does...that is undeniable...is that why you are so
overly attached to the idea of plagiarism??? In a decade you have never moved
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Only ONE Folder is dedicated to Plagiarism ..... who knew? LOL
and "Because it does...that is undeniable..."
NOPE I totally deny that. People with intelligence and a stable psychology do to.
Etznab
Jul 17, 2016, 12:16:23 AM7/17/16
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I have no knickers, and there is nothing in a twist....why do YOURS get into such a twist when I say that plagiarism is irrelevant? Is that because you depend on it so heavily? Because without it having value your entire argument falls in on itself?? Because it does...that is undeniable...is that why you are so overly attached to the idea of plagiarism??? In a decade you have never moved beyond it, you are equally as trapped as is sean...deny it all you want to, but you all are mental creatures, having no access to anything beyond the mind...and mr t is no different...can you muster an honest answer to my questions? You have never been able to...not even one time...all the while maintaining the lie that you are an ECKist...you are no bastion of truth by any means, and are as much of a liar as sean is....don't like that?
Yeah, right. And then you woke up and realized it was all just a dream.
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Jul 17, 2016, 9:24:12 PM7/17/16
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Such "utter" ridiculousness comes from that twisted as you-know-what skull space that others have to be subjected to. Give it a rest, Eckster poster Boy. NO BODY - and I mean - NO BODY gives a flying f*** what YOU think about anything (sound familiar?) I thought so, spiritual toilet training pinhead Wah Z Ingenue. Just waiting for your chance to make the world shake in it's collective boots. Huh, Sugmad Boy?
Quit the power trippin' dude. No ones buying. Just wave your flag for the mighty Wah Z (utterly unknown to the Almighty Paul Twitchell), and creep back into the rafters, with all the other rafters, or should I say, the "chosen" few?
Etznab
Aug 14, 2016, 10:44:46 PM8/14/16
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"In the literature of the saints, God is expressed by many words, such as Soami, Ekankar, Nirankar, Radha Soami, Akal, Nirala, Anami, Agam, Alakh, Sat Purush, Prabhu, Prabhswami, Hari Rai, Akshar, Parameshwar, Akshar Purush, etc. All of these words have been coined in an effort to convey to human intelligence some idea of what the saints think of God, or Lord God, the highest power. Ekankar means the 'one oneness', the body of oneness. Nirankar means 'without body or form'. Soami or Swami means the 'all-pervading lord'. [... .]
[Based on: The Path of the Masters, by Julian Johnson, Copyright 1939, Sixteenth Edition 1997, Chap. Five: God and the Grand Hierarchy of the Universe, pp. 242-245. - The Path of the Masters was reportedly written in the 1930s.]
http://www.archive.org/stream/ThePathOfTheMasters/ThePathOfTheMasters_djvu.txt
http://www.archive.org/stream/ThePathOfTheMasters/ThePathOfTheMasters#page/n1/mode/2up
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"In the literature of the sacred, this divine formless spirit is expressed by many names, such as, ECKANKAR, Nirankar, Akal, Nirala, Anami, Agam, Alakh, Sat Purush, Prabhu, Prabhswami, Akashar, Paramakshar, Purusha.
"All of these words have been coined in an effort to convey to human intelligence some idea of what the Saints think of the SUGMAD, or Lord God, the highest power.
"ECKANKAR means the one oneness, the body of oneness. All, or Totality - this is the secret name og God or the SUGMAD which will be creeping into these talks between us as I go deeper into this philosophy. [... .]
[Based on: The Far Country, by Paul Twitchell, Copyright 1970, Eighth Printing - 1983, Chapter. One: The Far Country. - The Far Country was reportedly written about 1963-1964.]
http://www.archive.org/stream/farcountry017342mbp/farcountry017342mbp_djvu.txt
That section written by Paul Twitchell allegedly came by way of Rebazar Tarzs.
Example:
"Rebazar Tarzs paused for a few minutes to catch his breath. I looked out the open window at the rocks where a frenzy of violent forces were causing a great upheaval of slate, limestone, lava, granite and sandstone, mixing all into strange patterns.
"The cliffs across from the mud hut showed formations twisted and turned into gigantic whorls. I was looking at these, wondering why the SUGMAD had let nature run wild, when Tarzs spoke again.
[...]
"In the literature of the sacred, this divine formless spirit is expressed by many names, such as, ECKANKAR, Nirankar, Akal, Nirala, Anami, Agam, Alakh, Sat Purush, Prabhu, Prabhswami, Akashar, Paramakshar, Purusha.
"All of these words have been coined in an effort to convey to human intelligence some idea of what the Saints think of the SUGMAD, or Lord God, the highest power.
"ECKANKAR means the one oneness, the body of oneness. All, or Totality - this is the secret name og God or the SUGMAD which will be creeping into these talks between us as I go deeper into this philosophy.
[...]
"He finished, stood up and looked around. Outside the mountains had turned a pinkish color and then green. It was time to go and I left knowing that on the morning, Rebazar Tarzs would start again on his discussions of the Far Country.
"I would be back."
[Based on: The Far Country, by Paul Twitchell, Copyright 1970, Eighth Printing - 1983, Chapter. One: The Far Country. - The Far Country was reportedly written about 1963-1964.]
http://www.archive.org/stream/farcountry017342mbp/farcountry017342mbp_djvu.txt
Considering the number of plagiarized text taken from Julian Johnson's book, and adding that to the above sample, clearly one can find there is more than plagiarism at work here.
There are the words Ekankar and Eckankar. The former coming before the latter and used in numerous other writings besides Path Of The Masters.
I think Kirpal Singh used the spelling Ekankar as well. Was Paul Twitchell familiar with that spelling?
A quote by Doug Marman:
"Here is a transcription of Paul's actual words in the 1966 talk: Names, Places and Sounds in the Discourses.
"Eckankar is the Science of Total Awareness because it is dealing with the upper planes, and it can go quite deeply into the life of the upper planes. You’ll find that the word of itself is a mispronounced or corrupted spelling that came out of the word E-k-a-n-k-a-r (Paul verbally spells the word out), which means the One Supreme All-inclusiveness of God, or the Co-Worker of God."
So yes. Paul was familiar with that spelling, even though he spelled it in his 1963 article as "Eckankar".
In spite of that, Eckankar published The Far Country with the spelling of Eckankar. Not only that, but in a book which allegedly captured the words of some 500 + year-old Tibetan Lama named Rebazar Tarzs. This name and character which in Paul's earlier writings appeared as Jesus and others.
One example:
"[...] When the great Buddha was a poor hungry beggar in pursuit of his spiritual objectives, his true nobility stood out far more than it did when he was in the midst of his father's royal splendors. When Jesus, who might have commanded any army — so great was his mental energy — walked the dusty streets, tired and hungry in order that he might carry the bread of life to the multitudes, his greatness eclipsed all the splendors of Rome. [....]"
Based on: The Path Of The Masters - THE GREAT WORK OF THE MASTERS, p.
432, 2nd paragraph.
http://www.archive.org/stream/ThePathOfTheMasters/ThePathOfTheMasters_djvu.txt
"[...] When Buddha was a poor, hungry beggar in pursuit of his spiritual objectives, his true nobility stood out far more than it did when he was in the midst of his father's royal splendors. When Rebazar Tarzs might have commanded any army, so great was his mental energy, walked the dusty streets when in his youth, tired and hungry, in order that he might carry the spiritual message to the multitudes, his greatness eclipsed all the splendors of this world. [....]"
Based on: Letters to Gail, Volume 1, by Paul Twitchell, 5th Printing-1983, p. 117, 2nd paragraph.
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"[...] When the great Buddha was a poor hungry beggar in pursuit of his spiritual objectives, his true nobility stood out far more than it did when he was in the midst of his father's royal splendors. When Jesus, who might have commanded any army — so great was his mental energy — walked the dusty streets, tired and hungry in order that he might carry the bread of life to the multitudes, his greatness eclipsed all the splendors of Rome. [... .]"
https://archive.org/stream/ThePathOfTheMasters/ThePathOfTheMasters_djvu.txt
That section is very similar to Paul's earlier version written in his letter to Gail. It doesn't take a lot of imagination to see where he got it from; so much of The Path Of The Masters was evidently plagiarized by Paul! And also credited to Rebazar Tarzs, the "Torch Bearer" of Eckankar!
So when suddenly Rebazar Tarzs steps into the picture and appears to be the architect of all these plagiarized words is one to believe this is what adepts do? Try to deceptively rewrite history and steal the creative works of others?
I rather think that is something people do. That is something Paul Twitchell and Eckankar did! A clear cut example for the creation of pseudo history and religion for all to see.
This is why people ask questions about the Eck Masters. Many of which have been asked right here at a.r.e. and by former members of Eckankar and others for years. It is because they can clearly see and read enough to know how much copied materials and plagiarism exists, but where they were taught to believe it came from Eck Masters.
In my opinion I suspect a number of people find it nearly impossible to admit the number of plagiarms ascribed to Eck Masters without invalidating them at the same time. As a result some (not most, but some) act like spoiled children after having their lollipop taken away to prevent a sugar high. Some (keyword search this archive for Kinpa and J.R.) get angry, attack, lie and attempt to defame people who continue to ask questions, research and write about the plagiarisms.
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On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 4:27:08 PM UTC-5, Etznab wrote:
So when suddenly Rebazar Tarzs steps into the picture and appears to be the architect of all these plagiarized words is one to believe this is what adepts do? Try to deceptively rewrite history and steal the creative works of others?
I rather think that is something people do. That is something Paul Twitchell and Eckankar did! A clear cut example for the creation of pseudo history and religion for all to see.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/q-ZMPeLApug/sZWDK5twAAAJ
A question about this. How does the name Rebazar Tarzs come to replace copied words; words later published in Eckankar books that failed to credit the book title and / or author who first published them?
Something appears to be amiss. Missing is not the fact that Paul Twitchell took from other sources. Missing is the fact that he credited many of them to Rebazar Tarzs. Iow, he illustrated that they came to him from Rebazar Tarzs and this is not the same as paraphrasing and plagiarizing.
Harold Klemp, the leader of Eckankar, explained years ago that Paul was what he might call a master compiler. However, I did not see Harold Klemp answer yes - as did Doug Marman - to the following question.
"Did Paul Twitchell use other writers words and put his Eck masters names on them as if the Eck Master were saying them?"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/1R6Co2B4-OM/l_jsPQjDlygJ
No. I did not see Harold Klemp answer yes to that question.
Does anybody know if Harold even suggested as much?
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