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Etznab
Jan 26, 2016, 10:57:31 PM1/26/16
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Sean and Artemis may well have found the one piece of evidence proving beyond the shadow of a doubt Rebazar Tarzs was a "fiction" created by Paul Twitchell.
It was not Doug who brought this article to our attention; he tried, but never found it. It was not David Lane, not Ford Johnson or anybody else. In fact, Sean received due praise for finding the article; if I remember correctly.
So I find it ironic some of the language used over the past year leveled at the person, or persons who found probably one of the most important documents to date shedding light on the topic of literary fictions.
The Ananai article was written in the 1950s while Paul Twitchell was a member of Ruhani Satsang, and an initiate under Kirpal Singh. The article not only appeared "outfitted for Eckankar" in the 1968 Brad Steiger book In My Soul I Am Free, but - like with a number of Paul's other articles - was evidently rewritten as if having come from Rebazar Tarzs.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/eYNRXPjJvJQ
Now maybe Harold Klemp didn't want to admit Paul Twitchell was a Kirpal Singh initiate. Maybe he did. Maybe he didn't. Either way, I don't believe he had a choice. Truth carried the day!
And maybe certain people (including myself and many others) didn't (at first) want to admit Paul Twitchell copied, borrowed, compiled and plagiarized, etc. But in the end they all had little choice after truth carried the day!
Here is the thing then. As an Eckist I would rather be on the side of the truth instead of denying, fighting, spinning, censoring and trying to cover it up because I know it would put me on the losing side. This is what I realized about a decade ago. I realized that all the apologists, the trolls and the bullies of a.r.e. attacking people personally (instead of attacking the lies) and making up more lies to silence Eckankar critics would eventually fail. I knew it might not happen immediately, but I had enough sense to see that it was inevitable. I knew they would all fail and be exposed in the end. I then chose not to stand with that lot, but to be an Eckist on the side of truth instead. Others might not like it that I care to dispel with myths in favor of truth, but I'm willing to patiently wait and see who comes out ahead in the end. Ones who fashion lies and fictions? Or ones who tell the actual truth?
There have been enough lies and fictions, IMHO. And I think it's high time that religions start telling the truth before even more people become enemies after fighting over fabricated fictions and which are the best.
It was not Doug who brought this article to our attention; he tried, but never found it. It was not David Lane, not Ford Johnson or anybody else. In fact, Sean received due praise for finding the article; if I remember correctly.
So I find it ironic some of the language used over the past year leveled at the person, or persons who found probably one of the most important documents to date shedding light on the topic of literary fictions.
The Ananai article was written in the 1950s while Paul Twitchell was a member of Ruhani Satsang, and an initiate under Kirpal Singh. The article not only appeared "outfitted for Eckankar" in the 1968 Brad Steiger book In My Soul I Am Free, but - like with a number of Paul's other articles - was evidently rewritten as if having come from Rebazar Tarzs.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/eYNRXPjJvJQ
Now maybe Harold Klemp didn't want to admit Paul Twitchell was a Kirpal Singh initiate. Maybe he did. Maybe he didn't. Either way, I don't believe he had a choice. Truth carried the day!
And maybe certain people (including myself and many others) didn't (at first) want to admit Paul Twitchell copied, borrowed, compiled and plagiarized, etc. But in the end they all had little choice after truth carried the day!
Here is the thing then. As an Eckist I would rather be on the side of the truth instead of denying, fighting, spinning, censoring and trying to cover it up because I know it would put me on the losing side. This is what I realized about a decade ago. I realized that all the apologists, the trolls and the bullies of a.r.e. attacking people personally (instead of attacking the lies) and making up more lies to silence Eckankar critics would eventually fail. I knew it might not happen immediately, but I had enough sense to see that it was inevitable. I knew they would all fail and be exposed in the end. I then chose not to stand with that lot, but to be an Eckist on the side of truth instead. Others might not like it that I care to dispel with myths in favor of truth, but I'm willing to patiently wait and see who comes out ahead in the end. Ones who fashion lies and fictions? Or ones who tell the actual truth?
There have been enough lies and fictions, IMHO. And I think it's high time that religions start telling the truth before even more people become enemies after fighting over fabricated fictions and which are the best.
Kinpa
Jan 28, 2016, 1:52:52 PM1/28/16
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On Wednesday, January 27, 2016 at 3:57:31 AM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> Sean and Artemis may well have found the one piece of evidence proving beyond the shadow of a doubt Rebazar Tarzs was a "fiction" created by Paul Twitchell.
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Sean and Artemis may well have found the one piece of evidence proving beyond the shadow of a doubt Rebazar Tarzs was a "fiction" created by Paul Twitchell.
This piece proves no such thing. You are making the assumption that it "proves beyond the shadow of a doubt" anything. While you CAN have any opinion that you like, you are lying when you claim what you did above. No two ways about that.
> It was not Doug who brought this article to our attention; he tried, but never found it. It was not David Lane, not Ford Johnson or anybody else. In fact, Sean received due praise for finding the article; if I remember correctly.
>
> So I find it ironic some of the language used over the past year leveled at the person, or persons who found probably one of the most important documents to date shedding light on the topic of literary fictions.
> The Ananai article was written in the 1950s while Paul Twitchell was a member of Ruhani Satsang, and an initiate under Kirpal Singh. The article not only appeared "outfitted for Eckankar" in the 1968 Brad Steiger book In My Soul I Am Free, but - like with a number of Paul's other articles - was evidently rewritten as if having come from Rebazar Tarzs.
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/eYNRXPjJvJQ
>
> Now maybe Harold Klemp didn't want to admit Paul Twitchell was a Kirpal Singh initiate. Maybe he did. Maybe he didn't. Either way, I don't believe he had a choice. Truth carried the day!
>
> And maybe certain people (including myself and many others) didn't (at first) want to admit Paul Twitchell copied, borrowed, compiled and plagiarized, etc. But in the end they all had little choice after truth carried the day!
>
> Here is the thing then. As an Eckist I would rather be on the side of the truth instead of denying, fighting, spinning, censoring and trying to cover it up because I know it would put me on the losing side. This is what I realized about a decade ago. I realized that all the apologists, the trolls and the bullies of a.r.e. attacking people personally (instead of attacking the lies) and making up more lies to silence Eckankar critics would eventually fail. I knew it might not happen immediately, but I had enough sense to see that it was inevitable. I knew they would all fail and be exposed in the end. I then chose not to stand with that lot, but to be an Eckist on the side of truth instead. Others might not like it that I care to dispel with myths in favor of truth, but I'm willing to patiently wait and see who comes out ahead in the end. Ones who fashion lies and fictions? Or ones who tell the actual truth?
And yet you deny much truth on a daily basis. Perhaps ypu are more threatened by certain things that you will admit here...
> There have been enough lies and fictions, IMHO. And I think it's high time that religions start telling the truth before even more people become enemies after fighting over fabricated fictions and which are the best.
That's a nice opinion, but for the fact that you do not speak for them, nor have you the say so to make the org change to match your desires. This is yet another thing showing that it is more likely that you stopped sending in a donation before and that you are no longer a member...regardless of what the case may be, no one can make any move against a person who voices this about you, Member Services included. So why lie about having spoken to them in the first place? It reminds me of sean's lie (a constant one he has used in various places for years) that he had a massive amount of data that was being sent to Eckankar and to the FBI, when in fact he has no data that he can find to do anything with....perhaps, a few years down the road, when none of these things has happened,you both will cease and desist, God only knows....as does SUGMAD!
Etznab
Jan 28, 2016, 6:42:24 PM1/28/16
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Etznab
Jan 28, 2016, 7:08:08 PM1/28/16
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On Thursday, January 28, 2016 at 12:52:52 PM UTC-6, Kinpa wrote:
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Henosis Sage
Jan 28, 2016, 9:27:06 PM1/28/16
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On Friday, 29 January 2016 12:59:49 UTC+11, Kinpa wrote:
> Someone is throwing a tantrum!
RE Kinpa says: " Someone is throwing a tantrum! "
I say: Someone is totally screwed and his name is Matthew Michael Sharpe.
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Why Sean Arundel Seeks Out Argument
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Kinpa
08/06/2015
To put it simply, he has a very obvious need for attention, while at the same time making endless legal threats (that he cannot afford to hire legal counsel to file charges for) that are entirely false in nature. He, being a well known liar, with ample proof of such lies available on this google group, cannot go through a day without speaking in a defamatory manner (which themselves prove that he has no ability to file suit over defamation charges) in an attempt to vent and gain attention. He simply LIVES to gain such attention, the only purpose of which is to argue needlessly while exclaiming that he has proofs of things he has never shown the least bit of direct evidence to support. One can only pity such a person that displays such a constant and neverending desire to "prove" to themselves their own self-worth.
Such displays, as well as performing in the role of an "arm-chair psychologist" while trying to vainly diagnose the mental states of those who disagree with him show beyond any doubt that he does so only to feed his starving ego. More is the pity. He desperately needs medical help to not only overthrow his addiction to alcohol, but also for his deteriorating mental condition(s). As always, the first step towards being helped with any such condition necessarily begins with the admition that one's self is bringing about situations that serve only to produce further troubles. Human pride often has a very hard time admitting its guilt in such matters, but until one has enough inner-strength to be able to do so, any degree of help or cure remains unavalable. Thus the constant self-medicating with alcohol until total self-destruction happens, permanently ending the cycle.
Inevitably such heavy and coinstant drinking can only end in death, but even this is a form of suicide being that it is literally chosen by the individual. There can be no excuses made for a person willingly participating in such an activity, nor can any other be blamed for it.
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To put it simply, he has a very obvious need for attention, while at the=
same time making endless legal threats (that he cannot afford to hire lega=
l counsel to file charges for) that are entirely false in nature. He, being=
a well known liar, with ample proof of such lies available on this google =
group, cannot go through a day without speaking in a defamatory manner (whi=
ch themselves prove that he has no ability to file suit over defamation cha=
rges) in an attempt to vent and gain attention. He simply LIVES to gain suc=
h attention, the only purpose of which is to argue needlessly while exclaim=
ing that he has proofs of things he has never shown the least bit of direct=
evidence to support. One can only pity such a person that displays such a =
constant and neverending desire to "prove" to themselves their own self-wor=
th.
Such displays, as well as performing in the role of an "arm-chair psycho=
logist" while trying to vainly diagnose the mental states of those who disa=
gree with him show beyond any doubt that he does so only to feed his starvi=
ng ego. More is the pity. He desperately needs medical help to not only ove=
rthrow his addiction to alcohol, but also for his deteriorating mental cond=
ition(s). As always, the first step towards being helped with any such cond=
ition necessarily begins with the admition that one's self is bringing abou=
t situations that serve only to produce further troubles. Human pride often=
has a very hard time admitting its guilt in such matters, but until one ha=
s enough inner-strength to be able to do so, any degree of help or cure rem=
ains unavalable. Thus the constant self-medicating with alcohol until total=
self-destruction happens, permanently ending the cycle.
Inevitably such heavy and coinstant drinking can only end in death, but =
even this is a form of suicide being that it is literally chosen by the ind=
ividual. There can be no excuses made for a person willingly participating =
in such an activity, nor can any other be blamed for it.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.religion.eckankar/APN5uLeSAO4/0BQiZkGQgtUJ
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Kinpa
09/06/2015
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You flatter yourself FAR too much! I mean be serious here, you actually come along and try (and fail) to judge me because your boyfriend has an issue? You are a very funny person, and your rant clearly displays just how much I have upset you silly boy! I REALLY get a kick out of how 2 individuals, that have never had ANY sort of a spiritual experience to ANY degree, suddenly proclaim themselves spokesmen for the Truth! As if!!! All spiritual experience is a form of insanity?? Seriously? You both make that claim, and yet the only real proof you have ever had for it is the fact that you CANT get out of body consciously, so somehow that means that no one else can either? You certainly CAN view things in any way you wish, however, that is still nothing more than an assumption. You who proclaims themself to be the ONLY bastion of truth is as yet completely unable to remain within his own standards of truth! Hilarious!
In case you haven't noticed, your buddy there has defamed me repeatedly, all while making the obviously empty claim that he is suing me! Nothing could be further from the truth! Anyone who was actually doing such a thing would have enough common sense to NOT break the very rule they are claiming another has broken against themselves! No one needs to be a rocket scientist to come to that conclusion, and yet somehow that one has constantly eluded sean! If you don't want to be ridiculed, then stop acting and speaking ridiculously! It is VERY simple~!
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On Monday, June 8, 2015 at 5:24:43 AM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> On Sunday, June 7, 2015 at 9:51:18 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
> > To put it simply, he has a very obvious need for attention, while at th=
e same time making endless legal threats (that he cannot afford to hire leg=
al counsel to file charges for) that are entirely false in nature. He, bein=
g a well known liar, with ample proof of such lies available on this google=
group, cannot go through a day without speaking in a defamatory manner (wh=
ich themselves prove that he has no ability to file suit over defamation ch=
arges) in an attempt to vent and gain attention. He simply LIVES to gain su=
ch attention, the only purpose of which is to argue needlessly while exclai=
ming that he has proofs of things he has never shown the least bit of direc=
t evidence to support. One can only pity such a person that displays such a=
constant and neverending desire to "prove" to themselves their own self-wo=
rth.
> >=20
> > Such displays, as well as performing in the role of an "arm-chair ps=
ychologist" while trying to vainly diagnose the mental states of those who =
disagree with him show beyond any doubt that he does so only to feed his st=
arving ego. More is the pity. He desperately needs medical help to not only=
overthrow his addiction to alcohol, but also for his deteriorating mental =
condition(s). As always, the first step towards being helped with any such =
condition necessarily begins with the admition that one's self is bringing =
about situations that serve only to produce further troubles. Human pride o=
ften has a very hard time admitting its guilt in such matters, but until on=
e has enough inner-strength to be able to do so, any degree of help or cure=
remains unavalable. Thus the constant self-medicating with alcohol until t=
otal self-destruction happens, permanently ending the cycle.
> >=20
> > Inevitably such heavy and coinstant drinking can only end in death, =
but even this is a form of suicide being that it is literally chosen by the=
individual. There can be no excuses made for a person willingly participat=
ing in such an activity, nor can any other be blamed for it.
>=20
> It appears quite obvious, to me, that you have not come to a.r.e. to disc=
uss the idiosyncrasies of plagiarism and false reports in order to explore,=
study, learn from and clarify them ... not as much as you (and your langua=
ge) appear to have come here to dish other people engaged with discussing t=
hese topics.=20
>=20
> Is it possible you are so afraid of facing the truth that you would rathe=
r do everything possible to avoid it? Even to the extent of lying about the=
people who are approaching that truth? As if to say "It just isn't so (and=
there is no proof of it) because I, Kinpa, say it isn't so!" (?) Example: =
Rebazar Tarzs was said to have communicated "yada, yada" (and the content f=
illed pages of books) when the truth is more likely "that" character was a =
created fiction?=20
>=20
> Umm ... so, Do you have a problem discussing this topic? Or is this topic=
like Kryptonite to your Superman?
>=20
> Because, I remember what the topics of discussion were about here before =
last time you chimed in at a.r.e. so many months ago. And I remember at tim=
es how you presented your opinions as statements. Also how you rewrote othe=
r people's opinions as if they were statements and the way you also appeare=
d to change what other people wrote as if to make the content (according to=
you) look more negative and degrading when in actuality it was rather beni=
gn. Then, after you were called on this (and other things), you denied doin=
g them!
>=20
> Kinpa, I think this amounts to blatant denial on your part! And shows a p=
attern of denial with intent to harass! In other words, this is exactly wha=
t your language here looks like to me! Not just one or two posts, but month=
s of postings! Those filled with so many sweeping statements appearing to d=
eceive whereby you refabricated the opinions and content from other people'=
s posts, as if to infect them with the "Kinpa-speak virus". Also, the speak=
ing for other people and the many examples of "as if" speaking for everybod=
y else in order to dominate the discussion topics with your own viewpoints =
by making them look as if they were majority viewpoints shared by nearly ev=
erybody else. This, along with several examples of bold-faced lies, of swea=
ring and intimidations are in my honest opinion further evidences of action=
s done with intent and repeatedly done in a fashion unique to you.=20
>=20
> To be frank, I don't believe you can at this point escape from what have =
been your actual intent(s) (visible to all others, or not) here at a.r.e. f=
or so many months. Not when a record of text exists here just as evident as=
the plagiarisms written into Eckankar books are visible to practically any=
body who can read English.
>=20
> I think we can revist time and time again the reported and written saying=
s of Rebazar Tarzs, of other Eck Masters, and of beings from heavenly plane=
s to find fact from fiction and all learn by it without anybody so much as =
copping a negative attitude, swearing and making up lies about other member=
s of a.r.e. Because, IMHO, the focus is not about members of Eckankar, or n=
ot; but this is actually just a detraction when the focus is about what alr=
eady has been done and created by the writings of Paul Twitchell and Eckank=
ar that used materials already created by other uncited and uncredited auth=
ors and books. =20
>=20
> In other words, Eckankar and the Eckankar teachings presented in books an=
d that deal with the history of Eckankar masters has been the focus of many=
people and many posts here at a.r.e. spanning many years. To deny that and=
to focus on so many other people here at a.r.e. for the purpose of persona=
lly attacking them instead is, IMHO, a devious detraction from a more colle=
ctive and concentrated path of discovery concerning the Eckankar teachings =
and the context of fact vs. fiction.
You flatter yourself FAR too much! I mean be serious here, you actually com=
e along and try (and fail) to judge me because your boyfriend has an issue?=
You are a very funny person, and your rant clearly displays just how much =
I have upset you silly boy! I REALLY get a kick out of how 2 individuals, t=
hat have never had ANY sort of a spiritual experience to ANY degree, sudden=
ly proclaim themselves spokesmen for the Truth! As if!!! All spiritual expe=
rience is a form of insanity?? Seriously? You both make that claim, and yet=
the only real proof you have ever had for it is the fact that you CANT get=
out of body consciously, so somehow that means that no one else can either=
? You certainly CAN view things in any way you wish, however, that is still=
nothing more than an assumption. You who proclaims themself to be the ONLY=
bastion of truth is as yet completely unable to remain within his own stan=
dards of truth! Hilarious!
In case you haven't noticed, your buddy there has defamed me repeatedly, al=
l while making the obviously empty claim that he is suing me! Nothing could=
be further from the truth! Anyone who was actually doing such a thing woul=
d have enough common sense to NOT break the very rule they are claiming ano=
ther has broken against themselves! No one needs to be a rocket scientist t=
o come to that conclusion, and yet somehow that one has constantly eluded s=
ean! If you don't want to be ridiculed, then stop acting and speaking ridic=
ulously! It is VERY simple~!
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.religion.eckankar/APN5uLeSAO4/U24Lt4UWRKkJ
RE Kinpa says: " Someone is throwing a tantrum! "
I say: Someone is totally screwed and his name is Matthew Michael Sharpe.
alt.religion.eckankar ›
Why Sean Arundel Seeks Out Argument
6 posts by 3 authors
Kinpa
08/06/2015
To put it simply, he has a very obvious need for attention, while at the same time making endless legal threats (that he cannot afford to hire legal counsel to file charges for) that are entirely false in nature. He, being a well known liar, with ample proof of such lies available on this google group, cannot go through a day without speaking in a defamatory manner (which themselves prove that he has no ability to file suit over defamation charges) in an attempt to vent and gain attention. He simply LIVES to gain such attention, the only purpose of which is to argue needlessly while exclaiming that he has proofs of things he has never shown the least bit of direct evidence to support. One can only pity such a person that displays such a constant and neverending desire to "prove" to themselves their own self-worth.
Such displays, as well as performing in the role of an "arm-chair psychologist" while trying to vainly diagnose the mental states of those who disagree with him show beyond any doubt that he does so only to feed his starving ego. More is the pity. He desperately needs medical help to not only overthrow his addiction to alcohol, but also for his deteriorating mental condition(s). As always, the first step towards being helped with any such condition necessarily begins with the admition that one's self is bringing about situations that serve only to produce further troubles. Human pride often has a very hard time admitting its guilt in such matters, but until one has enough inner-strength to be able to do so, any degree of help or cure remains unavalable. Thus the constant self-medicating with alcohol until total self-destruction happens, permanently ending the cycle.
Inevitably such heavy and coinstant drinking can only end in death, but even this is a form of suicide being that it is literally chosen by the individual. There can be no excuses made for a person willingly participating in such an activity, nor can any other be blamed for it.
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To put it simply, he has a very obvious need for attention, while at the=
same time making endless legal threats (that he cannot afford to hire lega=
l counsel to file charges for) that are entirely false in nature. He, being=
a well known liar, with ample proof of such lies available on this google =
group, cannot go through a day without speaking in a defamatory manner (whi=
ch themselves prove that he has no ability to file suit over defamation cha=
rges) in an attempt to vent and gain attention. He simply LIVES to gain suc=
h attention, the only purpose of which is to argue needlessly while exclaim=
ing that he has proofs of things he has never shown the least bit of direct=
evidence to support. One can only pity such a person that displays such a =
constant and neverending desire to "prove" to themselves their own self-wor=
th.
Such displays, as well as performing in the role of an "arm-chair psycho=
logist" while trying to vainly diagnose the mental states of those who disa=
gree with him show beyond any doubt that he does so only to feed his starvi=
ng ego. More is the pity. He desperately needs medical help to not only ove=
rthrow his addiction to alcohol, but also for his deteriorating mental cond=
ition(s). As always, the first step towards being helped with any such cond=
ition necessarily begins with the admition that one's self is bringing abou=
t situations that serve only to produce further troubles. Human pride often=
has a very hard time admitting its guilt in such matters, but until one ha=
s enough inner-strength to be able to do so, any degree of help or cure rem=
ains unavalable. Thus the constant self-medicating with alcohol until total=
self-destruction happens, permanently ending the cycle.
Inevitably such heavy and coinstant drinking can only end in death, but =
even this is a form of suicide being that it is literally chosen by the ind=
ividual. There can be no excuses made for a person willingly participating =
in such an activity, nor can any other be blamed for it.
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Kinpa
09/06/2015
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You flatter yourself FAR too much! I mean be serious here, you actually come along and try (and fail) to judge me because your boyfriend has an issue? You are a very funny person, and your rant clearly displays just how much I have upset you silly boy! I REALLY get a kick out of how 2 individuals, that have never had ANY sort of a spiritual experience to ANY degree, suddenly proclaim themselves spokesmen for the Truth! As if!!! All spiritual experience is a form of insanity?? Seriously? You both make that claim, and yet the only real proof you have ever had for it is the fact that you CANT get out of body consciously, so somehow that means that no one else can either? You certainly CAN view things in any way you wish, however, that is still nothing more than an assumption. You who proclaims themself to be the ONLY bastion of truth is as yet completely unable to remain within his own standards of truth! Hilarious!
In case you haven't noticed, your buddy there has defamed me repeatedly, all while making the obviously empty claim that he is suing me! Nothing could be further from the truth! Anyone who was actually doing such a thing would have enough common sense to NOT break the very rule they are claiming another has broken against themselves! No one needs to be a rocket scientist to come to that conclusion, and yet somehow that one has constantly eluded sean! If you don't want to be ridiculed, then stop acting and speaking ridiculously! It is VERY simple~!
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Subject: Re: Why Sean Arundel Seeks Out Argument
From: Kinpa <tsha...@yahoo.com>
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On Monday, June 8, 2015 at 5:24:43 AM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> On Sunday, June 7, 2015 at 9:51:18 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
> > To put it simply, he has a very obvious need for attention, while at th=
e same time making endless legal threats (that he cannot afford to hire leg=
al counsel to file charges for) that are entirely false in nature. He, bein=
g a well known liar, with ample proof of such lies available on this google=
group, cannot go through a day without speaking in a defamatory manner (wh=
ich themselves prove that he has no ability to file suit over defamation ch=
arges) in an attempt to vent and gain attention. He simply LIVES to gain su=
ch attention, the only purpose of which is to argue needlessly while exclai=
ming that he has proofs of things he has never shown the least bit of direc=
t evidence to support. One can only pity such a person that displays such a=
constant and neverending desire to "prove" to themselves their own self-wo=
rth.
> >=20
> > Such displays, as well as performing in the role of an "arm-chair ps=
ychologist" while trying to vainly diagnose the mental states of those who =
disagree with him show beyond any doubt that he does so only to feed his st=
arving ego. More is the pity. He desperately needs medical help to not only=
overthrow his addiction to alcohol, but also for his deteriorating mental =
condition(s). As always, the first step towards being helped with any such =
condition necessarily begins with the admition that one's self is bringing =
about situations that serve only to produce further troubles. Human pride o=
ften has a very hard time admitting its guilt in such matters, but until on=
e has enough inner-strength to be able to do so, any degree of help or cure=
remains unavalable. Thus the constant self-medicating with alcohol until t=
otal self-destruction happens, permanently ending the cycle.
> >=20
> > Inevitably such heavy and coinstant drinking can only end in death, =
but even this is a form of suicide being that it is literally chosen by the=
individual. There can be no excuses made for a person willingly participat=
ing in such an activity, nor can any other be blamed for it.
>=20
> It appears quite obvious, to me, that you have not come to a.r.e. to disc=
uss the idiosyncrasies of plagiarism and false reports in order to explore,=
study, learn from and clarify them ... not as much as you (and your langua=
ge) appear to have come here to dish other people engaged with discussing t=
hese topics.=20
>=20
> Is it possible you are so afraid of facing the truth that you would rathe=
r do everything possible to avoid it? Even to the extent of lying about the=
people who are approaching that truth? As if to say "It just isn't so (and=
there is no proof of it) because I, Kinpa, say it isn't so!" (?) Example: =
Rebazar Tarzs was said to have communicated "yada, yada" (and the content f=
illed pages of books) when the truth is more likely "that" character was a =
created fiction?=20
>=20
> Umm ... so, Do you have a problem discussing this topic? Or is this topic=
like Kryptonite to your Superman?
>=20
> Because, I remember what the topics of discussion were about here before =
last time you chimed in at a.r.e. so many months ago. And I remember at tim=
es how you presented your opinions as statements. Also how you rewrote othe=
r people's opinions as if they were statements and the way you also appeare=
d to change what other people wrote as if to make the content (according to=
you) look more negative and degrading when in actuality it was rather beni=
gn. Then, after you were called on this (and other things), you denied doin=
g them!
>=20
> Kinpa, I think this amounts to blatant denial on your part! And shows a p=
attern of denial with intent to harass! In other words, this is exactly wha=
t your language here looks like to me! Not just one or two posts, but month=
s of postings! Those filled with so many sweeping statements appearing to d=
eceive whereby you refabricated the opinions and content from other people'=
s posts, as if to infect them with the "Kinpa-speak virus". Also, the speak=
ing for other people and the many examples of "as if" speaking for everybod=
y else in order to dominate the discussion topics with your own viewpoints =
by making them look as if they were majority viewpoints shared by nearly ev=
erybody else. This, along with several examples of bold-faced lies, of swea=
ring and intimidations are in my honest opinion further evidences of action=
s done with intent and repeatedly done in a fashion unique to you.=20
>=20
> To be frank, I don't believe you can at this point escape from what have =
been your actual intent(s) (visible to all others, or not) here at a.r.e. f=
or so many months. Not when a record of text exists here just as evident as=
the plagiarisms written into Eckankar books are visible to practically any=
body who can read English.
>=20
> I think we can revist time and time again the reported and written saying=
s of Rebazar Tarzs, of other Eck Masters, and of beings from heavenly plane=
s to find fact from fiction and all learn by it without anybody so much as =
copping a negative attitude, swearing and making up lies about other member=
s of a.r.e. Because, IMHO, the focus is not about members of Eckankar, or n=
ot; but this is actually just a detraction when the focus is about what alr=
eady has been done and created by the writings of Paul Twitchell and Eckank=
ar that used materials already created by other uncited and uncredited auth=
ors and books. =20
>=20
> In other words, Eckankar and the Eckankar teachings presented in books an=
d that deal with the history of Eckankar masters has been the focus of many=
people and many posts here at a.r.e. spanning many years. To deny that and=
to focus on so many other people here at a.r.e. for the purpose of persona=
lly attacking them instead is, IMHO, a devious detraction from a more colle=
ctive and concentrated path of discovery concerning the Eckankar teachings =
and the context of fact vs. fiction.
You flatter yourself FAR too much! I mean be serious here, you actually com=
e along and try (and fail) to judge me because your boyfriend has an issue?=
You are a very funny person, and your rant clearly displays just how much =
I have upset you silly boy! I REALLY get a kick out of how 2 individuals, t=
hat have never had ANY sort of a spiritual experience to ANY degree, sudden=
ly proclaim themselves spokesmen for the Truth! As if!!! All spiritual expe=
rience is a form of insanity?? Seriously? You both make that claim, and yet=
the only real proof you have ever had for it is the fact that you CANT get=
out of body consciously, so somehow that means that no one else can either=
? You certainly CAN view things in any way you wish, however, that is still=
nothing more than an assumption. You who proclaims themself to be the ONLY=
bastion of truth is as yet completely unable to remain within his own stan=
dards of truth! Hilarious!
In case you haven't noticed, your buddy there has defamed me repeatedly, al=
l while making the obviously empty claim that he is suing me! Nothing could=
be further from the truth! Anyone who was actually doing such a thing woul=
d have enough common sense to NOT break the very rule they are claiming ano=
ther has broken against themselves! No one needs to be a rocket scientist t=
o come to that conclusion, and yet somehow that one has constantly eluded s=
ean! If you don't want to be ridiculed, then stop acting and speaking ridic=
ulously! It is VERY simple~!
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.religion.eckankar/APN5uLeSAO4/U24Lt4UWRKkJ
Kinpa
Jan 28, 2016, 11:20:01 PM1/28/16
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I am not as "totally screwed" as you are....At the very least, if I posted links they would work and go somewhere...not yours however...what's with that? None of them go anywhere! How IS that data you thought you had??? Is your ship sinking perhaps? Something is obviously amiss with you there...
Etznab
Jan 28, 2016, 11:55:13 PM1/28/16
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Is it possible you are so afraid of facing the truth that you would rather do everything possible to avoid it? Even to the extent of lying about the people who are approaching that truth? As if to say "It just isn't so (and there is no proof of it) because I, Kinpa, say it isn't so!" (?) Example: Rebazar Tarzs was said to have communicated "yada, yada" (and the content filled pages of books) when the truth is more likely "that" character was a created fiction?
Umm ... so, Do you have a problem discussing this topic? Or is this topic like Kryptonite to your Superman?
Because, I remember what the topics of discussion were about here before last time you chimed in at a.r.e. so many months ago. And I remember at times how you presented your opinions as statements. Also how you rewrote other people's opinions as if they were statements and the way you also appeared to change what other people wrote as if to make the content (according to you) look more negative and degrading when in actuality it was rather benign. Then, after you were called on this (and other things), you denied doing them!
Kinpa, I think this amounts to blatant denial on your part! And shows a pattern of denial with intent to harass! In other words, this is exactly what your language here looks like to me! Not just one or two posts, but months of postings! Those filled with so many sweeping statements appearing to deceive whereby you refabricated the opinions and content from other people's posts, as if to infect them with the "Kinpa-speak virus". Also, the speaking for other people and the many examples of "as if" speaking for everybody else in order to dominate the discussion topics with your own viewpoints by making them look as if they were majority viewpoints shared by nearly everybody else. This, along with several examples of bold-faced lies, of swearing and intimidations are in my honest opinion further evidences of actions done with intent and repeatedly done in a fashion unique to you.
To be frank, I don't believe you can at this point escape from what have been your actual intent(s) (visible to all others, or not) here at a.r.e. for so many months. Not when a record of text exists here just as evident as the plagiarisms written into Eckankar books are visible to practically anybody who can read English.
I think we can revist time and time again the reported and written sayings of Rebazar Tarzs, of other Eck Masters, and of beings from heavenly planes to find fact from fiction and all learn by it without anybody so much as copping a negative attitude, swearing and making up lies about other members of a.r.e. Because, IMHO, the focus is not about members of Eckankar, or not; but this is actually just a detraction when the focus is about what already has been done and created by the writings of Paul Twitchell and Eckankar that used materials already created by other uncited and uncredited authors and books.
In other words, Eckankar and the Eckankar teachings presented in books and that deal with the history of Eckankar masters has been the focus of many people and many posts here at a.r.e. spanning many years. To deny that and to focus on so many other people here at a.r.e. for the purpose of personally attacking them instead is, IMHO, a devious detraction from a more collective and concentrated path of discovery concerning the Eckankar teachings and the context of fact vs. fiction.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/APN5uLeSAO4/8wjLqMFhU6UJ
Kinpa
Jan 29, 2016, 12:09:00 AM1/29/16
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Everyone Does however, get to hold on to any opinion they want to, even if they are no more factual than any particular words having actually come from any ECK Master's mouths when they were actually plagiarized. Many of the statements that you have made demonstrate very clearly that you are no student of Eckankar. If you want to claim that you are, no one can stop you from doing so, but you are not exactly winning any converts to believing your story...
Henosis Sage
Jan 29, 2016, 12:25:14 AM1/29/16
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re: "I am not as "totally screwed" as you are....At the very least, if I
posted links they would work and go somewhere...not yours however...what's
with that? None of them go anywhere! How IS that data you thought you had???
Is your ship sinking perhaps? Something is obviously amiss with you there... "
Kinpa
with that? None of them go anywhere! How IS that data you thought you had???
Is your ship sinking perhaps? Something is obviously amiss with you there... "
12:59 (22 minutes ago)
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Someone is throwing a tantrum!
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Subject: Re: Irony
From: Kinpa <tsha...@yahoo.com>
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On Friday, January 29, 2016 at 12:08:08 AM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> On Thursday, January 28, 2016 at 12:52:52 PM UTC-6, Kinpa wrote:
> > On Wednesday, January 27, 2016 at 3:57:31 AM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> > > Sean and Artemis may well have found the one piece of evidence provin=
> On Thursday, January 28, 2016 at 12:52:52 PM UTC-6, Kinpa wrote:
> > On Wednesday, January 27, 2016 at 3:57:31 AM UTC, Etznab wrote:
g beyond the shadow of a doubt Rebazar Tarzs was a "fiction" created by Pau=
l Twitchell.
> > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~=
~~~~
> > This piece proves no such thing. You are making the assumption that it =
"proves beyond the shadow of a doubt" anything. While you CAN have any opin=
ion that you like, you are lying when you claim what you did above. No two =
ways about that.
> >=20
> >=20
> > =20
> > > It was not Doug who brought this article to our attention; he tried, =
but never found it. It was not David Lane, not Ford Johnson or anybody else=
. In fact, Sean received due praise for finding the article; if I remember =
correctly.
> > >=20
> > > So I find it ironic some of the language used over the past year leve=
led at the person, or persons who found probably one of the most important =
documents to date shedding light on the topic of literary fictions.
> > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Or, o=
n the other hand, the irony is that you assume this document carries the de=
gree of value that you believe it does. Also a thing that very clearly sugg=
est that you have been lying about still being an active member. Did you te=
ll Member Services that you had this "proof" and that it supposedly proved =
Rebazar Tarzs a fiction? If not that is fine since it IS here to be seen by=
one and all!
> >=20
> >=20
> > =20
> > > The Ananai article was written in the 1950s while Paul Twitchell was =
a member of Ruhani Satsang, and an initiate under Kirpal Singh. The article=
not only appeared "outfitted for Eckankar" in the 1968 Brad Steiger book I=
n My Soul I Am Free, but - like with a number of Paul's other articles - wa=
s evidently rewritten as if having come from Rebazar Tarzs.
> > >=20
> > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/eYNRXPj=
JvJQ
> > >=20
> > > Now maybe Harold Klemp didn't want to admit Paul Twitchell was a Kirp=
al Singh initiate. Maybe he did. Maybe he didn't. Either way, I don't belie=
ve he had a choice. Truth carried the day!
> > >=20
> > > And maybe certain people (including myself and many others) didn't (a=
t first) want to admit Paul Twitchell copied, borrowed, compiled and plagia=
rized, etc. But in the end they all had little choice after truth carried t=
he day!
> > >=20
> > > Here is the thing then. As an Eckist I would rather be on the side of=
the truth instead of denying, fighting, spinning, censoring and trying to =
cover it up because I know it would put me on the losing side. This is what=
I realized about a decade ago. I realized that all the apologists, the tro=
lls and the bullies of a.r.e. attacking people personally (instead of attac=
king the lies) and making up more lies to silence Eckankar critics would ev=
entually fail. I knew it might not happen immediately, but I had enough sen=
se to see that it was inevitable. I knew they would all fail and be exposed=
in the end. I then chose not to stand with that lot, but to be an Eckist o=
n the side of truth instead. Others might not like it that I care to dispel=
with myths in favor of truth, but I'm willing to patiently wait and see wh=
o comes out ahead in the end. Ones who fashion lies and fictions? Or ones w=
ho tell the actual truth?
> > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~=
~~~~
> > And yet you deny much truth on a daily basis. Perhaps ypu are more thre=
atened by certain things that you will admit here...=20
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > > There have been enough lies and fictions, IMHO. And I think it's high=
time that religions start telling the truth before even more people become=
enemies after fighting over fabricated fictions and which are the best.
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~=
~~~
> > That's a nice opinion, but for the fact that you do not speak for them,=
nor have you the say so to make the org change to match your desires. This=
is yet another thing showing that it is more likely that you stopped sendi=
ng in a donation before and that you are no longer a member...regardless of=
what the case may be, no one can make any move against a person who voices=
this about you, Member Services included. So why lie about having spoken t=
o them in the first place? It reminds me of sean's lie (a constant one he h=
as used in various places for years) that he had a massive amount of data t=
hat was being sent to Eckankar and to the FBI, when in fact he has no data =
that he can find to do anything with....perhaps, a few years down the road,=
when none of these things has happened,you both will cease and desist, God=
only knows....as does SUGMAD!
>=20
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/vjFtp_53Oyo/1rpaPIf=
I-5gJ
Someone is throwing a tantrum!
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!
Someone is throwing a tantrum!
original/alt.religion.eckankar/gaFFxCUhQqc/zFc2utQIBwAJ
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(SHRUG)
Etznab
Jan 31, 2016, 8:43:58 PM1/31/16
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Kinpa the control freak?
On some of the threads I notice all the posted are flagged except Kinpa's own. Seriously, is this because someone can't stand to see opinions and views that don't agree with his own?
I get the impression Kinpa has something to say about why so many plagiarized words were portrayed as if coming from Rebazar Tarzs. Again and again and again I see Kinpa writing to the effect that plagiarism proves only plagiarism.
02/11/15
"plagiarism proves nothing other than plagiarism, whether you like it or don't."
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/5xKOcAB7Gps/ciW5fATlhqEJ
02/11/15
"Plagiarism proves NONE of those things, it proves only plagiarism ... ."
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/5xKOcAB7Gps/bgXWtXItQ2YJ
04/25/15
"... plagiarism proves nothing other than plagiarism.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/5xKOcAB7Gps/TBZsw1AtdUUJ
05/24/15
"The fact remains that plagiarism is ONLY plagiarism. [...] there simply is NO direct evidence that that plagiarism proves ANY other conclusion other than that the plagiarism happened. That is where that line of thought stops ... ."
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/NGpI3f7axKY/-27DPOwWgTkJ
Some of my questions and opinions on this topic are here.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/ZJYzqPf5n2o/mY72nYWLDAAJ
Kinpa
Jan 31, 2016, 9:27:25 PM1/31/16
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And then you go ahead in the next breath and do the exact same thing? Really? Refuse to even consider any opinion OTHER than the one you have already accepted belief in? You have no proof! Assumption is NOT fact, it is ASSUMPTION! LOL Common sense man, I guess you have not much to speak of. Do you also refuse to admit any other interpretations for "Etznab" than the one those two NON-Mayans gave? I suspect that you do....oh well, that is for you to live with, not me. Enjoy that!
Etznab
Jan 31, 2016, 11:26:46 PM1/31/16
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"You have yet to show ANY proof that plagiarism proves ANY other thing! Not even ONE time!"
Kinpa
Jan 31, 2016, 11:35:19 PM1/31/16
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Kinpa
Jan 31, 2016, 11:36:15 PM1/31/16
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Henosis Sage
Feb 1, 2016, 1:43:32 AM2/1/16
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RE: "Seriously, is this because someone can't stand to see opinions and
views that don't agree with his own?
YES.
RE: "I think this smacks of control. Kinpa the control freak?"
YES.
It is typical aggressive narcissistic personality disorder, and borderline PD.
As mentioned many times already here.
If it looks like a duck etc.
Cheers.
sign...@gmail.com
Feb 2, 2016, 8:28:48 AM2/2/16
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On Wednesday, January 27, 2016 at 3:57:31 AM UTC, Etznab wrote:
I've met Rebazar Tarzs more than once. He is as real as Sri Wah Z.
May the blessings be.
Rob
Henosis Sage
Feb 2, 2016, 4:16:49 PM2/2/16
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Rob,
Does your "Rebazar Tarzs" or "Wah Z" teach Eckists or TELL them to lie
about other people publicly Rob?
Does your "Rebazar Tarzs" tell "Eckists" to tell the world that X is a "rapist"
when they are not?
They are a "known criminal" when they are not?
Is "running form law enforcement" when they are not?
To abuse and ridicule other people?
To threaten and intimidate other people?
To harass other people?
To defame other people?
To steal material from other people?
To run a website that propagates Copyright books owned by others?
To DEMAND that someone produce their Eck Membership Card publicly to
prove they are an "eckist"?
To do these things for over 17 months non-stop?
Is this the kind of thing that "your version" of Rebazar Tarzs tells
you to do Rob?
See above for a few examples of about 1700 other instances in total.
Kinpa
Feb 2, 2016, 4:41:47 PM2/2/16
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However, I still wish that you be blessed by Divine Light and Love, with Perfect Health, in the Name of the SUGMAD, the ECK, and the Mahanta!
Henosis Sage
Feb 2, 2016, 4:42:04 PM2/2/16
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On Wednesday, 3 February 2016 00:28:48 UTC+11, sign...@gmail.com wrote:
Gas-light-ing (gas-lighting) v. 1. a form of mental abuse in which information
is twisted or spun 2. false information presented with the intent of making
victims doubt their own perception and reality. Adj. gas-lit misled into
accepting false information for the purpose of social control.
Is the kind of thing that your version of Rebazar Tarzs tells you to do to others?
And Rob, this doesn't only happen here. Kinpa "the Black Magician's &
Shaman's friend", does it everywhere he goes.
Of course, Kinpa is NOT your responsibility Rob. But his behaviour and words
do reflect upon the EFFICACY Eckankar and the Light Force Network and all
those PEOPLE associated with those 'groups' by default.
QUOTE:
"kinpa12: i get TOLD what to do and to whom and why"
He gets "TOLD" to go and LIE about others publicly?
He gets "TOLD" to go and Gaslight others publicly?
He gets "TOLD" to go and intimidate others publicly for 17 months?
Who tells him that Rob? Do you think it is Rebazar Tarzs, or Wah Z, or any
of the other ECK masters, or other inner spiritual guides, or the ECK that
is telling him to do that Rob?
[ only rhetorical questions, as i do not expect a proper response. ]
Rob, why do you assume that anyone who is critical of anything to do with Eckankar does not or could not have any spiritual awareness, wisdom, nor
powerful amazing inner experiences with Spirit or "inner spiritual guides"
or close connection with the higher self Soul?
[ Rhetorical question only ]
Kinpa
Feb 2, 2016, 4:43:49 PM2/2/16
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Kinpa
Feb 2, 2016, 4:53:48 PM2/2/16
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On Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 9:42:04 PM UTC, Henosis Sage wrote:
Henosis Sage
Feb 2, 2016, 5:23:29 PM2/2/16
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On Wednesday, 3 February 2016 00:28:48 UTC+11, sign...@gmail.com wrote:
voices "what to do and to whom and why"?
When what they are being to TOLD to do is illegal, criminal, stalking, abusive,
lying, harassing, insulting, defamatory, nasty, disgusting, obscene,
threatening, and psychopathic?
Typically it's labeled as in the band of Psychosis and Schizophrenia and/or Narcissistic and Borderline Personality Disorders.
Now if the only place and the only two people Kinpa did this to was here on
a.r.e., then maybe some would lean towards excusing that behaviour and see it
as being "mocked up" because it was ASSUMED those two people "DESERVED IT"
for some irrational reason.
This is not the case however. Because KINPA does this exact same thing to
others in many other online forums and has been for years.
In places that have nothing to do with Eckankar and nothing to do with
Rebazar Tarzs or Twitchell's writings. It's a set pattern of behavior in
Kinpa that has nothing to do with me nor Etznab.
For example ... it's a long term pattern of OBSESSIVE Behavior see?
"funnysmartname" SAID TO "FuzzHammer" [aka Matthew Sharpe aka KINPA]
"Why are you obsessed with me. I came here to talk because I didn't
have you responding to every post of mine trying to argue with me.
So much for that. You are a jackass."
And what does KINPA say in reply to other people who are NOT me or Etznab?
FuzzHammer:
don't lie....you got all the swinger sex and STD's anyone could ask
for...besides....2 men....how many boys??girls?? animals?? dead people??
and why go to a memphis board to tell the world about your sexuality
(or lack thereof) do tell?? enquiring minds want to know...
sorta like that party you keep saying youre gonna have....btw, rob says
that if you want to have that "party" tonite he'll give you some wild
crazy swinger sex after the Moonlight's set...
oh quit bitching you ass! an interested third and fourth party specifically
asked me to respond to you here...you may not like it, but in the bigger
picture, others find it quite entertaining....get over yourself...
no, im not frustrated, nor do i want you, i just like to tease you, get
over it, but at the least give these poor sobs some more fodder...
you consider this harassment?? not at all...noone makes you read this shit
kathy...and kathy, go fuck your fat self stupid cunt...noone gives a flying
fuck about you or your ex or his girlfriend you simple twit...and as far as
blueroot goes, you dont post there because noone else wants to hear your
drivel, myself, i barely respond to you, and dont blame me because everyone
else finds it comical, that's just the way it is, and believe me, i dont care
much that some corn fed heifer from yale doesnt like me, ill get over it,
really, no wait...im already over it...indigent gash...
so? is that a crime?? lol
[end quotes]
Sound familiar?
Maybe not, because anyone with any sense would NOT be reading what Matt Sharpe
KINPA says HERE or anywhere.
Read too much of it and one will get knots in the stomach and begin to feel
nauseous. That's how obscene and disgusting is the endless vile *shit* that
comes out of Kinpa's mouth and off of his fingertips on the keyboard to real
people on internet discussion boards for YEARS now.
He doesn't just save it up for targeting people on alt.religion.eckankar for
harassment, stalking, ridicule, and defamation. Oh no.
I recommend that people NOT go searching for what else might be out there, in
the interest of their own Psychological health.
For truly I say that sometimes it is far better to NOT know the truth, the
whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Does Rebazar Tarzs and Wah Z and ECKANKAR tell Kinpa to act this way towards
other people?
I do not believe so.
Etznab
Feb 2, 2016, 5:35:10 PM2/2/16
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Thank you for pointing that out. I mean, for the reminder.
Henosis Sage
Feb 2, 2016, 5:38:27 PM2/2/16
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On Wednesday, 3 February 2016 00:28:48 UTC+11, sign...@gmail.com wrote:
You see Rob when I first labelled Kinpa aka Matthew Sharpe (ECKist) as an
"idiot" over a year ago now, I came as at the end of a long lineage of others
who have come before me ... (like the 970 plus eck masters iow)
As "you dont know me" (aka Kathy?) SAID TO Kinpa (aka Matt) online long ago:
"Man, you are an idiot. Let it go dude. You just look stupid."
That is so very True today as it was back then!
--- --- ---
And ROB, I believe it helps people enormously to be able to TOTALLY SEPARATE
what goes on in one's "inner life" experiences between what Paul Twitchell
wrote in his books, discourses and talks, and what ECKANKAR teaches today
under Harold Klemp.
But whatever.
Etznab
Feb 2, 2016, 6:00:03 PM2/2/16
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Henosis Sage
Feb 2, 2016, 6:35:05 PM2/2/16
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Apparently, all one needs to do is ASK Kinpa.
TITLE -- Kinpa said: *I have proved to others that Rebazar Tarzs exists*
Kinpa aka Matthew Sharpe, an ECKist, said on Wed, 25 Nov 2015 14:54:35 -0800 (PST)
"Seanella Arundella, once again you are making false claims, flat out LIES!
I have never claimed to prove to either of you that Rebazar Tarzs exists,
I only ever proved that to people who asked"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/e3A3HS3Ii10/7ii6QIY0AwAJ
Meaning: - I, KINPA, HAVE PROVED TO OTHERS THAT REBAZAR TARZS EXISTS -
That's better than Harold Klemp can do. If it's true.
Kinpa
Feb 2, 2016, 7:12:06 PM2/2/16
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In any case, may you be blessed by Divine Love and Light, and Perfect Health, in the Name of the SUGMAD, the ECK, and the Mahanta....and your little buddy along with you...have a great day today also!
Kinpa
Feb 2, 2016, 7:13:06 PM2/2/16
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Kinpa
Feb 2, 2016, 7:16:12 PM2/2/16
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Kinpa
Feb 2, 2016, 7:29:20 PM2/2/16
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Which begs the question, how would you know any of that to be true? Are you able to go into the Astral consciousness and travel about freely and be aware of what you do there? I notice you like to assume big about others, especially Sri Paul Twitchell and Sri Harold Klemp, and uet you in and of yourself can prove not even one small thing.
I also see that you are freely interpreting my words to mean only what YOU want to frame them as meaning....that alone displays that you are a liar and that you probably do it quite often, in fact I know that this is far from your first time, as do many others in other places. The woman who called the police due to your threatening rape is just one of these. The posts that you erased she still had being that she responded to those. So it seems that you really CAN'T erase them from the internet! That doesn't say a whole lot for your honesty or veracity. But I forgive you.
I also am well aware that you aren't man enough to speak to me, but such is often the way an arahata is dealt with. The way you and richie react to my words is clear proof that I AM one for the both of you, despite the feact that I do NOT actually want or care to be one, but hey, SUGMAD'S will before mine right? That IS right.
Anyhow, none of the ECK Masters tell anyone what TO say or what NOT to say, as that would be denying one any free will at all. Everyone must make their own choices in life, and it is those choices made that bring about the learning, whether that be the hard way or the easier way...it has not one thing to do with ANY Master, of ECK, or any other system. The same rule applies across the board. Is it uncomfortable to hear that??
You just make sure that you remember EVERY word you have said here, especially concerning me....they WILL come to bear on you soon enough....not because I said so, but because YOU have demanded that that be so....enjoy your creation! I promise that I will also!
Kinpa
Feb 2, 2016, 8:52:21 PM2/2/16
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Sounds like a stalker went and found the Goner board LMAO! The funniest part of this is how he did NOT post what she said! Another factoid that is of interest is that we are actually FRIENDS! OOPS! He probably didn't want anyone to know those things because they do not fit into sean's attempted "FRAMING" of the incident in question. Not to mention that he has NO room to mention anyone else using curse words or calling names, since he does the same quite often and always has, both here and many other places.......typical. Sean never posts ALL of the quoted materials!
>
> Sound familiar?
>
> Maybe not, because anyone with any sense would NOT be reading what Matt Sharpe
> KINPA says HERE or anywhere.
And yet you do on a daily basis....I find it rather creepy that you put THIS much energy into cyber-stalking me.....and you have the gall to accuse ANYONE else of having mental problems?? LOL
> Read too much of it and one will get knots in the stomach and begin to feel
> nauseous. That's how obscene and disgusting is the endless vile *shit* that
> comes out of Kinpa's mouth and off of his fingertips on the keyboard to real
> people on internet discussion boards for YEARS now.
Not so much....
>
> He doesn't just save it up for targeting people on alt.religion.eckankar for
> harassment, stalking, ridicule, and defamation. Oh no.
>
> I recommend that people NOT go searching for what else might be out there, in
> the interest of their own Psychological health.
>
> For truly I say that sometimes it is far better to NOT know the truth, the
> whole truth and nothing but the truth.
>
> Does Rebazar Tarzs and Wah Z and ECKANKAR tell Kinpa to act this way towards
> other people?
>
> I do not believe so.
You also do not believe that Rebazar exists at all, or that Wah Z exists.....however, what IS not belief is that you went searching, and went pretty deeply looking for anything you could use out of context here to suit what you wanted to frame.....that is not even remotely honest, in fact that is quite manipulative.....Do as sean says, but not as he does?? Sound familiar????
Kinpa
Feb 2, 2016, 9:07:46 PM2/2/16
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This is YOUR karma that you keep racking up! Have another try if you want to, I don't mind at all! I DO however have to give Rob credit for being able to make up his own mind about anything he chooses to consider. He isn't likely to fall for your attempted mind-control...and yes it IS that! Manipulating things so that they say what you want as opposed to the truth is a very bad thing to do to anyone...but hey! Keep it up if you so wish, free will for everyone right?
I have to mention however, that you do not know even one individual that spoke on that forum that day, and therefore it is very unlikely that you yourself actually understood even one word of it....I bet you wouldn't like to learn that everyone was friends there, having a bit of a joke.....nor that that was the typical fare for ANY given day.....oh well. You DO have the right to believe anything you want to, but only YOU will ever have to carry that weight, and this is btw, provable defamation of character, being that you are not a member of that forum and that you have purposely misrepresented everything you qouted from there! Who is your lawyer in the USA anyways? Will this be brought up in court during your "defamation" case? I DO hope so!
In any case, may your wicked heart be blessed by Divine Light and Love, and Perfect Health, in the Name of the SUGMAD, the ECK, and the Mahanta! Have a wonderful day sean!
sign...@gmail.com
Feb 3, 2016, 7:12:11 AM2/3/16
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In this world there are 2 kinds of people: those who do the Spiritual Exercises of ECK regularly and those who don't.
It's hard for Etznab to understand why I couldn't care less about this "plagiarism" issue which is a spiritual show-stopper to his mind. ECKANKAR isn't an academic pursuit but a spiritual undertaking requiring the chela to maintain contact with the Light and Sound of God and keep his face towards the Living ECK Master.
I don't believe Rebazar Tarzs is real; I KNOW he is. Why? Because of experiences via the Spiritual Exercises.
This preoccupation with plagiarism shows a complete misunderstanding of ECKANKAR itself.
Henosis Sage
Feb 3, 2016, 9:44:47 AM2/3/16
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RE: "This preoccupation with plagiarism shows a complete misunderstanding
of ECKANKAR itself. "
Actually I see it quite differently. This preoccupation with Rebazar Tarzs
and the Living Eck Master shows a complete misunderstanding of ECKANKAR itself.
Life is a spiritual exercise.
Real direct personal experience with the "light and sound" or "spirit" in the
waking state and genuine oobes has a tendency to place things like religion,
the priest craft, the rules, and eckankar into their proper perspectives and
their "relevance" to anything actually important, true, and valuable in Life.
That's my personal opinion. It's also easy for me to understand why Etznab
(and I) do not care what Rob thinks about the "plagiarism" issue, or anything else for that matter.
Of course some find it hard to accept that people were having oobes and real
spiritual experiences decades before they ever heard of eckankar, the lem, RT,
or the SEs of Eck .... and before they even existed in the first place.
How could that be so? :-)
And millions still are without ever once doing the Spiritual Exercises of ECK,
as good and as helpful that following such tips can be for some.
Kinpa
Feb 3, 2016, 9:48:22 AM2/3/16
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Physical life is the dream, and our dreams are much closer to the actual reality although I do not mean to say that the consciousness of any of the lower planes can dictate what is and what s not true spirituality, but the fact remains that true spiritual Masters are simply not bound by copyrights in any way. In fact, copyrights have only existed on earth for roughly 300 years, making it an extremely narrow scope to view life through.
However they DO have the right to adopt that belief if they choose to. I have yet to see anyone try to deny them that right, especially concerning Eckankar. When one insists on using physical writings to prove or disprove anything perceived in any of the inner states, they tend to interpret such things in that same very limited way. I notice that neither seems to have any inner awareness to speak of, not to mention the constant misdiagnoses of mental states given to any who remain in Eckankar, always by those who have absolutely NO education in or concerning psychology. This alone makes these false diagnosis irrelevant.
In every case this amounts to the choices that person makes, and the karma that might be incurred is the true teacher for all of us. I hope everyone eljoys what they have and are creating for themselves!
Baraka Bashad Rob!
Kinpa
Feb 3, 2016, 9:57:49 AM2/3/16
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Some also find it exceedingly hard to even leave the body at all...so what? Plagiarism in no way proves that any ECK Masters do not actually exist. It doesn't even address that issue. The more you two try like hell to stretch it to make it fit and prove that no Masters exist, the harder of a time you have with the entire concept....I know a great many people who not only were never ECKists, but that still are not and have absolutely NO intention of ever becoming one, and yet they still meet with and speak with several of these same ECK Masters. How can that possibly be since Sri Paul Twitchell plagiarized so much and shoved quotes into these Master's mouths?
For someone that 'understands why Etznab
(and he) do not care what Rob thinks about the "plagiarism" issue, or anything else for that matter.' You certainly rushed right in to say that? If you were truly as detached as you so often claim, why is it that you never walk the talk? Feeling defensive? Why on earth would that be???
Etznab
Feb 3, 2016, 4:04:31 PM2/3/16
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Etznab
Feb 3, 2016, 4:09:57 PM2/3/16
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"Anyone following the path of ECKANKAR cannot go through a day satisfied that he has read some truth in the morning or that he is going to hear some truth in the afternoon or evening. There must be a conscious realization of truth going on all the time. This does not mean he is going to neglect his human duties and activities. It means that he is going to train himself to have some area in his consciousness always active in truth. Whether we look at the forms of nature as trees, flowers, or oceans, or whether we are meeting people, we find some measure of God in each experience. We train ourselves to behold the presence and activity of God in everything around us and live within the Word."
Based on: The Key to ECKANKAR, by Paul Twitchell, Copyright 1968, Fourth Printing - 1985, pp. 41-42
"The student of spiritual wisdom cannot go through his day, satisfied that he has read some truth in the morning, or that he is going to hear some truth in the afternoon or evening. There must be a conscious activity of truth going on all the time. That does not mean that we neglect our human duties and activities; it means that we train ourselves to have some area of consciousness always active in truth. Whether we look out at forms of nature such as trees, flowers, or oceans, or whether we are meeting people, we find some measure of God in each experience. We train ourselves to behold the presence and activity of God in everything around us and to abide in the Word."
http://www.scribd.com/doc/218780789/82916572-Practicing-the-Presence-of-God-Joel-S-Goldsmith-1
Kinpa
Feb 3, 2016, 4:20:13 PM2/3/16
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Kinpa
Feb 3, 2016, 4:22:59 PM2/3/16
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Etznab
Feb 3, 2016, 4:31:41 PM2/3/16
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Paul Twitchell had a history of plagiarism even before he started Eckankar. It is educational to know these things.
Etznab
Feb 3, 2016, 4:41:58 PM2/3/16
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"Saints, devils and credulous fools are made of the same identical stuff. They all have vision. They see the same truth from different aspects. Devils exploit stupidity. They create blinding fear that gives them power over others. It inflates the devils' feeling of importance; and it makes the fools think the devils are the only safe leaders to follow. But the vision of saints acts, by its own nature -- to use a feeble illustration -- like a prism letting light into the darkness. It diffuses the material fog -- the fog that blinds the best of us and makes us victims of want, and disease and crime. The vision of saints lets in affluence and magnanimity and vigor. Naturally, the devils hate it. If they can't pervert saints' vision to their own ends, they try to destroy it."
[Based on: Old Ugly Face, by Talbot Mundy (1940), p. 16]
http://arthursclassicnovels.com/mundy/ugfa10.html
Rebazar Tarzs smiled. "Saints, devils and credulous fools are made of the same identical stuff. They all have vision. They see the same truth from different aspects. Devils exploit stupidity. They create blinding fear that gives them power over others, inflates the devils' feelings of importance, and makes the fools think the devils are the only safe leaders to follow. But, to use a feeble illustration, the vision of saints acts like a prism, letting Light into the darkness. It diffuses the material fog that blinds the best of men and makes
them victims of want, disease and crime. The vision of saints lets in affluence, magnanimity, and vigor. Naturally, the devils hate it. If they cannot pervert the saints' vision to their own end, they try to destroy it."
[Based on Rebazar Tarzs in: The Key to Eckankar, by Paul Twitchell (1968), bottom paragraph on p. 14 (of the book).]
*********
Other a.r.e. threads about this include:
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!searchin/alt.religion.eckankar/devils$20exploit$20stupidity/alt.religion.eckankar/bD9atjm4_pU/4qypVSM191sJ
Etznab
Feb 3, 2016, 4:47:08 PM2/3/16
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Henosis Sage
Feb 3, 2016, 8:47:45 PM2/3/16
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Hi ETZNAB RE:
"Spiritual exercises are what helped to show me all the copying and plagiarism, etc."
inter-connected historical information never before seen, as well as guided in
how to connect the dots and find the hidden meaning to the few "jigsaw pieces"
that were around.
AS MANY have said over the centuries, it's not so much "the answers" that are
important, but being able to ask the right questions.
Because "spirit" cannot lie. One simply needs to be "open to the truth" and
nothing else but the truth. Asking the right questions is how "spirit"
determines one's own bona fides and then acts accordingly.
Without the "suspension of belief" no one can get anywhere of much value. IMHO.
One can use a BRAND NAME of the "spiritual exercises of eck" or can refer to
such matters in their fullest truest sense. Horses for courses. and some days
are better more effective than other days.
The ONLY consideration here is THE INDIVIDUAL them self and where their head and heart are at. The rest is like "the Law of Gravity".
*twinkle*
As Joel S Goldsmith so eloquently stated in PRINT:
"There must be a conscious activity of truth going on all the time."
as Marman and so many others have done for decades simply doesn't cut it.
Kindergartners trying to get by in the University of Life on Planet Earth imho.
.
Kinpa
Feb 3, 2016, 9:09:25 PM2/3/16
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If that is so, then that requires that you be among the preschoolers. Your own version of "truth" is no less biased and cherry-picked than you claim Mr. Marman's of being. In fact this demonstrates a situation where what you see is merely a reflection of yourself. Not liking what it sees, your ego then does and says whatever it must to draw the focus away from itself and place it on another. Unfortunately, I am again forced into being your Arahata, not likely for the last time...
Despite that, may you be blessed by Divine Light and Love, with Perfect Health, in the Name of the SUGMAD, the ECK, and the Mahanta.
Henosis Sage
Feb 3, 2016, 9:17:50 PM2/3/16
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Etznab to Rob RE:
"If you don't find this educational, that then is your choice. I, however,
find this very revealing."
In fact ETznab, it is all so EDUCATIONAL and of benefit to Society that your
find this very revealing."
work and that of others would qualify for the creation of a 501(c) Educational
Trust in the USA.
eg "501(c)(3) -- Religious, Educational, Charitable, Scientific, Literary,"
One able to accept Tax-Exempt DONATIONS from those equally interested in the
subject matter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/501(c)_organization
One could even appoint Professor David C. Lane as the Honorary Patron
or Honorary Chairman of the Board.
No point hiding one's light under a bushel forever.
*twinkle*
Henosis Sage
Feb 3, 2016, 9:23:24 PM2/3/16
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RE: "Kindergartners trying to get by in the University of Life on Planet Earth imho. "
Sometimes the wrong choices bring us to the right places.
"Won't you take me back to school
I need to learn the golden rule .."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4QEBrBmY9c
Moody Blues "The Voice" with lyrics
Etznab
Feb 15, 2016, 9:37:16 AM2/15/16
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[Karen Armstrong, The Battle for God, p. 368]
Henosis Sage
Feb 26, 2016, 8:46:12 PM2/26/16
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On Wednesday, 3 February 2016 09:23:29 UTC+11, Henosis Sage wrote:
SEE HERE: FuzzHammer is MATT SHARPE aka KINPA aka SRI SHABDA on the LFN site
and an ECKist ....
http://www.goner-records.com/mb/posts.php?topicid=13512
>
> Sound familiar?
>
> Maybe not, because anyone with any sense would NOT be reading what Matt Sharpe
> KINPA says HERE or anywhere.
>
I recommend that people NOT go searching for what else might be out there, in
the interest of their own Psychological health.
For truly I say that sometimes it is far better to NOT know the truth, the
whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Does Rebazar Tarzs and Wah Z and ECKANKAR tell Kinpa to act this way towards
other people?
I do not believe so.
FuzzHammer
Joined on November 16, 2006
http://fubar.com/429595
DO NOTE THAT DATE (for later) ... BUT IGNORE THE FALSE DOB INFO (this time)
FUBAR is an acronym that originated in the military to stand for the words
"f***ed up beyond all repair." This is often softened to "fouled up beyond
all repair" in reference to hardware. The programming and documentation
equivalent is "fouled up beyond all recognition."
What is FUBAR? - Definition from WhatIs.com
whatis.techtarget.com/definition/FUBAR
That is our SRI SHABDA - "FUBAR"
--- ---
About fubar.com
Can you handle the FU?
http://www.fubar.com advertises itself as an online bar and happy hour.
It is a social network site, where you can meet new people from all over the world, share your thoughts, pictures, videos, music, and you can blog on the site until your heart is content.
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> On Wednesday, 3 February 2016 00:28:48 UTC+11, sign...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, January 27, 2016 at 3:57:31 AM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> > > Sean and Artemis may well have found the one piece of evidence proving beyond the shadow of a doubt Rebazar Tarzs was a "fiction" created by Paul Twitchell.
> > >
> > > It was not Doug who brought this article to our attention; he tried, but never found it. It was not David Lane, not Ford Johnson or anybody else. In fact, Sean received due praise for finding the article; if I remember correctly.
> > >
> > > So I find it ironic some of the language used over the past year leveled at the person, or persons who found probably one of the most important documents to date shedding light on the topic of literary fictions.
> > >
> > > The Ananai article was written in the 1950s while Paul Twitchell was a member of Ruhani Satsang, and an initiate under Kirpal Singh. The article not only appeared "outfitted for Eckankar" in the 1968 Brad Steiger book In My Soul I Am Free, but - like with a number of Paul's other articles - was evidently rewritten as if having come from Rebazar Tarzs.
> > >
> > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/eYNRXPjJvJQ
> > >
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> > On Wednesday, January 27, 2016 at 3:57:31 AM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> > > Sean and Artemis may well have found the one piece of evidence proving beyond the shadow of a doubt Rebazar Tarzs was a "fiction" created by Paul Twitchell.
> > >
> > > It was not Doug who brought this article to our attention; he tried, but never found it. It was not David Lane, not Ford Johnson or anybody else. In fact, Sean received due praise for finding the article; if I remember correctly.
> > >
> > > So I find it ironic some of the language used over the past year leveled at the person, or persons who found probably one of the most important documents to date shedding light on the topic of literary fictions.
> > >
> > > The Ananai article was written in the 1950s while Paul Twitchell was a member of Ruhani Satsang, and an initiate under Kirpal Singh. The article not only appeared "outfitted for Eckankar" in the 1968 Brad Steiger book In My Soul I Am Free, but - like with a number of Paul's other articles - was evidently rewritten as if having come from Rebazar Tarzs.
> > >
> > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/eYNRXPjJvJQ
> > >
and an ECKist ....
http://www.goner-records.com/mb/posts.php?topicid=13512
>
> Sound familiar?
>
> Maybe not, because anyone with any sense would NOT be reading what Matt Sharpe
> KINPA says HERE or anywhere.
>
> Read too much of it and one will get knots in the stomach and begin to feel
> nauseous. That's how obscene and disgusting is the endless vile *shit* that
> comes out of Kinpa's mouth and off of his fingertips on the keyboard to real
> people on internet discussion boards for YEARS now.
>
>
> nauseous. That's how obscene and disgusting is the endless vile *shit* that
> comes out of Kinpa's mouth and off of his fingertips on the keyboard to real
> people on internet discussion boards for YEARS now.
>
>
> He doesn't just save it up for targeting people on alt.religion.eckankar for
> harassment, stalking, ridicule, and defamation. Oh no.
>
> I recommend that people NOT go searching for what else might be out there, in
> the interest of their own Psychological health.
>
> For truly I say that sometimes it is far better to NOT know the truth, the
> whole truth and nothing but the truth.
>
> Does Rebazar Tarzs and Wah Z and ECKANKAR tell Kinpa to act this way towards
> other people?
>
> I do not believe so.
REPEAT:
> harassment, stalking, ridicule, and defamation. Oh no.
>
> I recommend that people NOT go searching for what else might be out there, in
> the interest of their own Psychological health.
>
> For truly I say that sometimes it is far better to NOT know the truth, the
> whole truth and nothing but the truth.
>
> Does Rebazar Tarzs and Wah Z and ECKANKAR tell Kinpa to act this way towards
> other people?
>
> I do not believe so.
I recommend that people NOT go searching for what else might be out there, in
the interest of their own Psychological health.
For truly I say that sometimes it is far better to NOT know the truth, the
whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Does Rebazar Tarzs and Wah Z and ECKANKAR tell Kinpa to act this way towards
other people?
I do not believe so.
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Henosis Sage
Feb 26, 2016, 10:35:21 PM2/26/16
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POST BY KINPA DELETED IN THE LAST HOUR ARE:
Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:59:49 -0800 (PST)
"Someone is throwing a tantrum!"
SEE MY REPLY:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/gaFFxCUhQqc/7kD8qlEKBwAJ
original url now defunct
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!original/alt.religion.eckankar/gaFFxCUhQqc/zFc2utQIBwAJ
But why bother is the question?
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Henosis Sage
Feb 27, 2016, 11:38:47 AM2/27/16
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Kinpa complains:
If that is so, then that requires that you be among the preschoolers.
HS: Only in Kinpa's self-deluded imagination and throwing back another's
words that he doesn't even comprehend properly.
---
Your own version of "truth" is no less biased and cherry-picked than you claim Mr. Marman's of being.
Marman's was. I have repeatedly shown with multiple streams of evidence
Marman's many errors and faulty assumptions and wrong conclusions. My opinion
is far more informed and nuanced than Marman's will ever be. Unlike Marman I
do not "cherry-pick" and intentionally ignore relevant facts nor common sense.
I did not write a book titled "the whole truth" either. I presented material
most people have never seen. I didn't write an attack piece intended to
undermine another's reputation or credibility, eg Dr. David Lane either.
Marman has undermined his own credibility due to the manifold errors in his
"facts", his unfounded conjectures, his poor memory, and his faulty conclusions
not supported by valid evidence. He proved to me directly that his "views and
ideas" are unreliable, and that his "word" was untrustworthy, and that he
talked a lot but doesn't practice what he preached others "should do" or "not
do".
That won't make him "Robinson Caruso" though. Many caught up in Eckankar,
especially in leadership roles, have picked up Twitchell's hand me down
"values" or the lack there of, imho.
---
In fact this demonstrates a situation where what you see is merely a reflection of yourself.
and the evidence provided and the work done.
---
Not liking what it sees, your ego then does and says whatever it must to draw the focus away from itself and place it on another.
Pure theoretical gibberish and psychological projection and presumptuous make
believe.
---
Unfortunately, I am again forced into being your Arahata, not likely for the last time...
and bias and ongoing Ad Hominem fallacies. Everything he has said and claimed about myself for the last 18 months is totally false. He only cares about his own "beliefs" and misguided opinions about his own over-inflated abilities.
---
Despite that, may you be blessed by Divine Light and Love, with Perfect Health, in the Name of the SUGMAD, the ECK, and the Mahanta.
Disingenuous and intentionally insulting duplicitous little creep that he is.
IMO~!
.
Etznab
Feb 27, 2016, 6:23:35 PM2/27/16
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On Tuesday, January 26, 2016 at 9:57:31 PM UTC-6, Etznab wrote:
> Sean and Artemis may well have found the one piece of evidence proving beyond the shadow of a doubt Rebazar Tarzs was a "fiction" created by Paul Twitchell.
>
> It was not Doug who brought this article to our attention; he tried, but never found it. It was not David Lane, not Ford Johnson or anybody else. In fact, Sean received due praise for finding the article; if I remember correctly.
>
> So I find it ironic some of the language used over the past year leveled at the person, or persons who found probably one of the most important documents to date shedding light on the topic of literary fictions.
>
> The Ananai article was written in the 1950s while Paul Twitchell was a member of Ruhani Satsang, and an initiate under Kirpal Singh. The article not only appeared "outfitted for Eckankar" in the 1968 Brad Steiger book In My Soul I Am Free, but - like with a number of Paul's other articles - was evidently rewritten as if having come from Rebazar Tarzs.
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/eYNRXPjJvJQ
>
> Now maybe Harold Klemp didn't want to admit Paul Twitchell was a Kirpal Singh initiate. Maybe he did. Maybe he didn't. Either way, I don't believe he had a choice. Truth carried the day!
>
> And maybe certain people (including myself and many others) didn't (at first) want to admit Paul Twitchell copied, borrowed, compiled and plagiarized, etc. But in the end they all had little choice after truth carried the day!
>
> Here is the thing then. As an Eckist I would rather be on the side of the truth instead of denying, fighting, spinning, censoring and trying to cover it up because I know it would put me on the losing side. This is what I realized about a decade ago. I realized that all the apologists, the trolls and the bullies of a.r.e. attacking people personally (instead of attacking the lies) and making up more lies to silence Eckankar critics would eventually fail. I knew it might not happen immediately, but I had enough sense to see that it was inevitable. I knew they would all fail and be exposed in the end. I then chose not to stand with that lot, but to be an Eckist on the side of truth instead. Others might not like it that I care to dispel with myths in favor of truth, but I'm willing to patiently wait and see who comes out ahead in the end. Ones who fashion lies and fictions? Or ones who tell the actual truth?
>
> There have been enough lies and fictions, IMHO. And I think it's high time that religions start telling the truth before even more people become enemies after fighting over fabricated fictions and which are the best.
Other comments about the article here.
> Sean and Artemis may well have found the one piece of evidence proving beyond the shadow of a doubt Rebazar Tarzs was a "fiction" created by Paul Twitchell.
>
> It was not Doug who brought this article to our attention; he tried, but never found it. It was not David Lane, not Ford Johnson or anybody else. In fact, Sean received due praise for finding the article; if I remember correctly.
>
> So I find it ironic some of the language used over the past year leveled at the person, or persons who found probably one of the most important documents to date shedding light on the topic of literary fictions.
>
> The Ananai article was written in the 1950s while Paul Twitchell was a member of Ruhani Satsang, and an initiate under Kirpal Singh. The article not only appeared "outfitted for Eckankar" in the 1968 Brad Steiger book In My Soul I Am Free, but - like with a number of Paul's other articles - was evidently rewritten as if having come from Rebazar Tarzs.
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/eYNRXPjJvJQ
>
> Now maybe Harold Klemp didn't want to admit Paul Twitchell was a Kirpal Singh initiate. Maybe he did. Maybe he didn't. Either way, I don't believe he had a choice. Truth carried the day!
>
> And maybe certain people (including myself and many others) didn't (at first) want to admit Paul Twitchell copied, borrowed, compiled and plagiarized, etc. But in the end they all had little choice after truth carried the day!
>
> Here is the thing then. As an Eckist I would rather be on the side of the truth instead of denying, fighting, spinning, censoring and trying to cover it up because I know it would put me on the losing side. This is what I realized about a decade ago. I realized that all the apologists, the trolls and the bullies of a.r.e. attacking people personally (instead of attacking the lies) and making up more lies to silence Eckankar critics would eventually fail. I knew it might not happen immediately, but I had enough sense to see that it was inevitable. I knew they would all fail and be exposed in the end. I then chose not to stand with that lot, but to be an Eckist on the side of truth instead. Others might not like it that I care to dispel with myths in favor of truth, but I'm willing to patiently wait and see who comes out ahead in the end. Ones who fashion lies and fictions? Or ones who tell the actual truth?
>
> There have been enough lies and fictions, IMHO. And I think it's high time that religions start telling the truth before even more people become enemies after fighting over fabricated fictions and which are the best.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.eckankar/4rEWcJd5XCU/5MzcnZcoh8EJ
Henosis Sage
Feb 27, 2016, 7:08:13 PM2/27/16
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https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.eckankar/4rEWcJd5XCU/ghfNDprYTM8J
and here especially 1956 Ananai vs. 1968 IMSIAF vs 1970 DWTM by Etznab
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.eckankar/4rEWcJd5XCU/HpNZgio3RzkJ
and here by HS in May 2015 re Doug Marman errors / absent true knowledge
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/QsYrXh5EH3g/VRfPHkM7v9sJ
to be followed by Etznab here in Feb 2016
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/QsYrXh5EH3g/KpNERNdhBgAJ
and of course this that probably no one who REALLY NEEDS TO HEAR IT WILL SEE IT~!!!
That was Doug Marman asking ME for the information! And notice that he even quoted a post by me. NOT one where I mentioned Harvard, but rather Oxford! It's right there in black and white.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/0PlkI4btLsg/sOEhViiPPXwJ
That thread was also an example of asking questions and people having dialogue without personal attacks, swearing and / or immature and childish troll-like cyber-bully behavior.
Many, many discussions topics such as these were created to explore written history that Paul Twitchell brought together in writings and talks. Nothing wrong with this.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/1iIMZsgoL2w/fTWgNzmjBQAJ
AND THE BEGINNING OF THIS IRONY THREAD TOO
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/gaFFxCUhQqc/__OIwRdyBgAJ
fyi
UPDATED URL FOR -- "The Science of Morality" by Paul Twitchell
Ananai article, published in 1956
1956-07 The Ananai Magazine - ANANAI-KYO Info - Twitchell Ruhani Satsang article
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-M0yAR0UPhPM2JoVUVZV3dIbEk/view?usp=sharing
and cross posted to alt.eckankar for the record.
NOTING that Twitchell stated several times that the SUGMAD was the RULER of
the 7th Plane ... ok, I hope everyone got that?
Well the 6 people who might pass through here in the next 24 hours.
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Meanwhile some people falsely claim that "Plagiarism only proves Plagiarism"
That is so untrue it's ridiculously stupid / manipulative hogwash, imho.
Specifically, Paul Twitchell's plagiarism proves many other things by "default".
The most CRITICAL one is that Paul Twitchell intentionally and repeatedly
LIED to every single one of his readers and anyone who ever showed up to a
talk by him about Eckankar.
Now some people, or a Billion people can then assert or belivee that that was JUSTIFIED for any old reason they can dream up, but that does not change the fact backed by mountains of evidence that Paul Twitchell lied to those people
he was tryig to recruit into Eckankar while travelled the world PROSTELIZING HIS NEW RELIGON CALLED ECKANKAR.
That is a fact! That is the Truth.
And even so-called revered expert in Doug Marman had NO IDEA that his books
The Dialogue with the Master, and Stranger by the River, were as heavily
plagiarized as The Far Country was.
And when he was TOLD and SHOWN the facts and the evidence of this he said
it doesn't matter - and he would NOT update any information he had already
published in his TWT book, nor online at a.r.e.
These new facts, and many many others made "no difference" to him, Doug Marman.
It is also a true fact that since he was shown multiple streams of evidence
about this that Doug Marman has honored his OPINION and done nothing and
SAID NOTHING ABOUT THIS openly nor publicly.
Nor has he ever bothered to correct his FALSE ACCUSATIONS MADE ABOUT SANT
KIRPAL SINGH in his TWT book or online.
Nor apologized to any Ruhani Satsang/SOS adherents for the UNTRUTHS he had
spoken about and also directly to Initiates of that religious group.
Which, given all that he had said and criticisms he laid at David Lane's feet
over the decades pretty much makes Doug Marman just another Eckankar hypocrite.
A dime a dozen. (shrug)
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