"the Truth, the whole Truth and nothing but the Truth"

[Etznab]

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THE TRUTH ABOUT LIFE AND DEATH

This is a time for Truth, the Truth, the whole Truth and nothing but the Truth. This is no time for half truths, for bewilderment and lack of understanding, for these are the soil in which helpless grief grows. In truth alone is there comfort and understanding and courage. That is why, because I understand so well, I am giving you Truth.

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http://thought-bricks.com/courses/thought-bricks-foundation-lessons/thought-bricks-11-real-die/

Who was Bernard?

http://www.oocities.org/dreamjourneytoheaven/

http://thought-bricks.com/about/who-was-bernard/

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EXCERPT FROM THE WHOLE TRUTH

Before you can give Truth to others, Truth must be known as the absolute need in your life. We must see Truth and know Truth and think Truth always.

Refuse to see Truth, pretend that it is impossible to know what is true and what is not, distort Truth, seek to mix it with Untruth, attempt to deceive both ourselves and others, give Truth in an unattractive manner, then chaos will reign in our lives...

This is the time for Truth "the Truth, the whole Truth and nothing but the Truth." This is no time for half-Truths, for bewilderment and lack of understanding. These constitute the soil in which grief grows. In Truth alone there is comfort, understanding and courage.

Paul Twitchell, The Flute of God

http://www.spiritualdialogues.com/thewholetruth.html

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Apart from Truth being spoken to others, Truth is an absolute need in our lives. We must see Truth and know Truth and think Truth, always. If we refuse to see Truth, or pretend we cannot tell what is true and what is not; if we distort Truth or seek to mix it with untruth; if we, in fact, like to deceive both ourselves and others if the truth does not present an attractive aspect to us, then chaos will reign in our lives. Our Real Self will be in conflict with our outer self and we shall continually find ourselves in the most unpleasant situations.

... End quote.

http://thought-bricks.com/courses/thought-bricks-foundation-lessons/thought-bricks-9-truth-liberator/

[Henosis Sage]

You are brilliant Etznab ... CONGRATULATIONS

The little engine who didn't give up. ;-)

Excuse me while I nip over to the Spiritual Dialogues Project to gloat some more.

I really do detest dishonourable cowards.

[Henosis Sage]

Will Doug publish my comment below on his website? Of course not!
http://spiritualdialogues.com/books/the-whole-truth-the-spiritual-legacy-of-paul-twitchell/

THE TRUTH ABOUT LIFE AND DEATH

"This is a time for Truth, the Truth, the whole Truth and nothing but the Truth. This is no time for half truths, for bewilderment and lack of understanding, for these are the soil in which helpless grief grows. In truth alone is there comfort and understanding and courage. That is why, because I understand so well, I am giving you Truth."

http://thought-bricks.com/about/who-was-bernard/ "of England" ?


incompetent
ɪnˈkɒmpɪt(ə)nt/Submit
adjective
1.
not having or showing the necessary skills to do something successfully.
"a forgetful and utterly incompetent assistant"
synonyms: inept, unskillful, unskilled, inexpert, amateurish, unprofessional, lacking ability, bungling, blundering, clumsy, unproficient, inadequate, substandard, inferior, ineffective, deficient, inefficient, ineffectual, no good, not good enough, wanting, lacking, leaving much to be desired;

Both you Doug Marman and Paul Twitchell are personality disordered dishonest dishonourable and deluded Incompetents.

"It is far better to remain Silent and thought a fool, than to write a
523 page book about Truth and remove all doubt."

[Etznab]

Clarifying and quoting some text examples from both Bernard and Twitchell ...

Bernard:

The "Divine Promises" have been puzzling thinking people throughout the ages. For while they speak of love; they speak of wrath. How can the two be reconciled?

It is this way. The divine promises are spoken as the voice of everlasting law. God put this law into action at the beginning of the world, that "whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap". This law is just and logical, part of great inheritance of man, who is God's offspring and heir.

Whatsoever God has "sown" on earth by the power of his divine thought has grown into visible reality. Therefore whatever we "sow", as offspring and heir of God, comes into visible reality too.

God's thoughts are infinite; man's are finite - both operate under the same divinely appointed law. With this knowledge the divine promises are made clear in both their aspects. If evil is sown in thought, evil is "reaped". If good is sown in thought, good is "reaped".

How then to turn evil, once "sown" and reaped, into good? By the power of Christ within, the intermediary which saves us from our "sins". The scripture tells us, "Your life is hide with Christ in God". This divinely appointed "bridge" between God and man, between God and not-good (or evil) enables that which is not good to become good, that which is not happy to become happy and that which is incurable to become curable. [... .]

http://thought-bricks.com/charts-2/divine-promises-chart-affirmation-exercise/

Twitchell:

Running through the holy scriptures of the world there is found the golden thread of promises made by the prophets and savior who were the light of these ages.
The divine promises have puzzled thinking people in every period of history, for while they speak of love, they speak also of wrath. How can the two be reconciled?
The divine promises are given in the Voice of The Everlasting Law. God put this law into action at the beginning of this universe. Within this universe, and many other universes, also, it is the law of cause and effect. "Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap"' This law is a just and logical one, and part of the great inheritance of man, who is God's heir. Whatsoever God has sown on earth by the power of His divine thought, has grown into visible reality. Whatsoever man "sows" as the offspring and heir of God, comes into visible reality, also. God's thoughts are infinite; man's are finite, but both are operating under the same divinely appointed law.
Within this knowledge, the divine promises are clear in both aspects. If negativeness is sown in thought, the same is produced and reaped. If positiveness is sown in thought, then it is reaped. How then does one turn the negative once sown and reap into the constructive?
This is done by the divine power in each of us, who are Souls. The Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad, the ECK Bible, tells us, "Your life is hid with the ECK (the power) in me." This is the divinely appointed bridge between God and man, between good and evil, between positiveness and negativeness, enabling that which is not good to become good; that which is unhappy to become happy and that which is incurable to become curable. [... .]

- The Flute of God, by Paul Twitchell, 8th Printing - 1982, Chapter 4 - THE PROMISES OF THE PROPHET, pp. 45-46

Bernard:

THE TRUTH ABOUT LIFE AND DEATH

This is a time for Truth, the Truth, the whole Truth and nothing but the Truth. This is no time for half truths, for bewilderment and lack of understanding, for these are the soil in which helpless grief grows. In truth alone is there comfort and understanding and courage. That is why, because I understand so well, I am giving you Truth.

http://thought-bricks.com/courses/thought-bricks-foundation-lessons/thought-bricks-11-real-die/

Twitchell:

This is the time for Truth "the Truth, the whole Truth and nothing but the Truth." This is no time for half-Truths, for bewilderment and lack of understanding. These constitute the soil in which grief grows. In Truth alone there is comfort, understanding and courage.

- The Flute of God, by Paul Twitchell, 8th Printing - 1982, Chapter 9 - (THE SHAPE OF THE ALTAR), p. 128

Bernard:

Apart from Truth being spoken to others, Truth is an absolute need in our lives. We must see Truth and know Truth and think Truth, always. If we refuse to see Truth, or pretend we cannot tell what is true and what is not; if we distort Truth or seek to mix it with untruth; if we, in fact, like to deceive both ourselves and others if the truth does not present an attractive aspect to us, then chaos will reign in our lives. Our Real Self will be in conflict with our outer self and we shall continually find ourselves in the most unpleasant situations.

http://thought-bricks.com/courses/thought-bricks-foundation-lessons/thought-bricks-9-truth-liberator/

Twitchell:

Before you can give Truth to others, Truth must be known as the absolute need in your life. We must see Truth and know Truth and think Truth always.

Refuse to see Truth, pretend that it is impossible to know what is true and what is not, distort Truth, seek to mix it with Untruth, attempt to deceive both ourselves and others, give Truth in an unattractive manner, then chaos will reign in our lives. Our real self will be in conflict with our outer self and we will continually find ourselves in the most unpleasant situations.

- The Flute of God, by Paul Twitchell, 8th Printing - 1982, Chapter 9 - (THE SHAPE OF THE ALTAR), pp. 127-128

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Ref# 41391720 Bernard vs. Twitchell (The Flute of God)

[Etznab]

Time for the truth. Yea. (Glad I stuck around in a.r.e. and used the insults of current and former Eckists for motivation to discover the truth.)

[alea...@gmail.com]

Have /has anyone found examples of actual spiritual experiences that PT stole from others and claimed as his own? I've been researching for many years now and lost a file in a computer crash--trying to re-find my sources! thanks

[wernertrp]

[wernertrp]

Am Freitag, 14. Oktober 2016 07:26:03 UTC+2 schrieb wernertrp:
> Am Freitag, 14. Oktober 2016 02:44:35 UTC+2 schrieb alea...@gmail.com:
> > Have /has anyone found examples of actual spiritual experiences that PT stole from others and claimed as his own? I've been researching for many years now and lost a file in a computer crash--trying to re-find my sources! thanks

backup nicht vergessen.
Ich mache immer gleich ein ganzes HD-Image.

[wernertrp]

Stehlen ist ein großes Wort, ich mache Kopien dann mach ich mich fort.

[Etznab]

On Thursday, October 13, 2016 at 7:44:35 PM UTC-5, alea...@gmail.com wrote:
> Have /has anyone found examples of actual spiritual experiences that PT stole from others and claimed as his own? I've been researching for many years now and lost a file in a computer crash--trying to re-find my sources! thanks

Talbot Mundy included names of various individuals in his stories and dialogue in that context. This is not to imply that they were real people, but it was likely fiction. Here is an example:

"[...]

"Andrew must have been thinking of you, or he would not have written the first message on the wall. Later, he received the telegram. Very likely Gombaria brought it to him. It would be just like Gombaria to make a mystery about it. He experiments. Gombaria is a very expert manipulator of mental atmosphere."

"Atmosphere?"

"Yes. That is only a phrase. One has to use words to suggest meanings that words can't convey. Gombaria can, and perhaps did, create a psychic field in which phenomena can easily occur. That is another phrase. It is worthless except as a hint. The reading of the telegram would direct Andrew's attention instantly and very strongly to you. The suddenness, and unexpectedness would shock him enough to make him let go of his own thoughts. He would see your thought. He couldn't possibly keep it out of his consciousness. I believe he would see your mental picture before he would see you. That would be normal."

"But, Nancy! Twenty hours after I sent it?"

"Why not? Time has nothing to do with it. That is one of the many reasons why time -- and fact-bound intellectuals can't grasp clairvoyance. It is why professional clairvoyants almost always prove unreliable."

Based on: Old Ugly Face, by Talbot Mundy - 1940

http://freeread.com.au/@RGLibrary/TalbotMundy/Novels/OldUglyFace.html

Compare that with what Paul Twitchell alleged about rebazar Tarzs:


"Most people are good manipulators of mental atmosphere. This is only a phrase. One has to use words to suggest meanings that words cannot convey. We can, and often do, create a psychic field in which phenomena can easily occur. Often we have done this in the presence of great spiritual travelers and groups who supposedly are acting as channels for the divine spiritual force. The suddenness and unexpectedness of a straight question while in this field (I am speaking mainly of the magnetic field, as it is known to most of us) shocks the other person into letting go of his hard-held thoughts. Then we can see and know what he is thinking. He cannot possibly keep out of the consciousness that which we desire to put there. We can see his past, present, and any problems within him, without even trying."

[Based on: The Key to Eckankar, by Paul Twitchell, 1968, Fourth printing - 1985, pp. 24-25]

The comparisons look more than a just little curious after viewing the fuller context and number of similar words following the same order.

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/OB416Fe7BmA/MSfrgHcOpa8J

Judging by the sheer volume of appropriated, paraphrased and plagiarized words by Paul Twitchell, and history of plagiarizing other people's words based on people who knew him (including Roy Eugene Davis) the idea that so much of what Paul wrote was dictated by Rebazar Tarzs is questionable.

Addressing your question, some of the appropriated authors wrote materials that were a part of spiritual study courses. They talked information and how it came to them. I would have to do some digging to locate the quotes, but I think that Goldsmith was one of the people who's writings were copied by Twitchell.

[Etznab]

On Thursday, October 13, 2016 at 7:44:35 PM UTC-5, alea...@gmail.com wrote:

> Have /has anyone found examples of actual spiritual experiences that PT stole from others and claimed as his own? I've been researching for many years now and lost a file in a computer crash--trying to re-find my sources! thanks

Here is another brief example to look at. I'll provide the link so you can see more context if necessary.

PTP - p. 20

"Spiritual consciousness is attained through the activity of truth in consciousness. Dwelling on scriptural quotations or statements of truth helps to spiritualize thought. The more truth that we read and hear, the more active is truth in our consciousness. Thus we learn to abide in the Word. This is the first step on the Way."

http://www.scribd.com/doc/82916572/Practicing-the-Presence-of-God-Joel-S-Goldsmith


TKTE - p. 40

"Spiritual consciousness is attained through the activity of truth in consciousness. Dwelling on scriptural quotations or statements of truth helps to spiritualize thought. The more truth we read and hear, the more truth is active in our consciousness. We learn to abide in the world by putting truth into ourselves. This is the first step on the way to God."

[Based on: The Key to Eckankar)

PTP - p. 21

"The second step, which leads to a state of consciousness where we are receptive and responsive to the still small voice, cannot be taken, however, unless the first step has been mastered, that is, knowing the letter of truth. All the years that a person has spent in reading truth, hearing truth, thinking truth, attending church services, lectures, or classes are fruitful in leading him to that point where inspiration flows from within his own being. This inspiration, however, usually comes only after a thorough grounding in the letter of truth."


TKTE - p. 40

"The second step cannot be taken unless the first step has been mastered, that is, knowing the letter of truth. All the years we spend in reading truth, attending services, lectures, and classes are fruitful in leading us to that point where inspiration flows from within our own being. This inspiration, however, usually comes only after a thorough grounding in the letter of truth."

PTP - p. 21

"Jesus tells us to let 'my words abide in you. ... Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit.' To live in that truth, to abide in that Word, is to bear fruit richly, that is, to live harmoniously, spiritual lives. But if we forget to live in the Word, to abide in it, and let it abide in us, we become as branches that are cut off and wither. How can we abide in this Word if we do not know it? We must know the truth. We must learn that the correct letter of truth is. Let us have a specific principle with which to work and let us stand on that principle, until the moment comes when we feel that spiritual awareness within us, which is realization. Then we shall know that we have attained the spirit of truth, the consciouness of truth, which is the Word of God and is power. Anyone with a sufficient desire for a realization of God will guarantee it."

TKTE - p. 40

"Yaubl Sacabi told me long ago, 'Let my spirit dwell in you. And so shall the SUGMAD be exalted so that you will bear the harvest of good deeds.'
"To live in this truth, to abide in the Word, is to bear the harvest of all things in the richest manner: that is, to live harmoniously in the spiritual senses. But if we forget to live in the Word, to abide in It, and let It live in us, we become as the branch of a tree that is cut off and withers away.
"How can we live in the Word if we do not know It? We must know the Truth. We must learn what the correct letter of truth is. Let us have a principle with which to work, and let us stand on this principle, until the moment comes when we feel that spiritual awareness within us is realized. Then we shall know that we have attained the spirit of truth, the consciousness of truth, which is the Word of the SUGMAD and is power. Anyone with a sufficient desire for a realization of God can achieve that realization - the grace of God will guarantee it."

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/Wle6bykppIc/SjghdLsP_t8J

[Kinpa]

That still does not even suggest that none f them actually exist. No getting around that one using assumption.

[Etznab]

None of what actually exist?

Mundy wrote adventure fiction.

[Henosis Sage]

On Friday, 14 October 2016 11:44:35 UTC+11, alea...@gmail.com wrote:
> Have /has anyone found examples of actual spiritual experiences that PT stole from others and claimed as his own? I've been researching for many years now and lost a file in a computer crash--trying to re-find my sources! thanks

What was in the computer file, as in, what research did it contain?

AS to examples of 'spiritual experiences' who is to determine what was actual and what was not? Is Twitchell a reliable witness? No.

That being said, the best example of Twitchell claiming 'spiritual experiences' as his own is The Tigers Fang.

Better still the whole of Eckankar "PT stole from others and claimed as his own". He made it up based upon his own SOC, disturbed personality, mythical thinking and his drive for self-importance... using (abusing) the ideas, beliefs, and writings of others.

[Kinpa]

So what if he did? Someone else taking the subject matter and using it would have nothing to do with HIS context. It would then become another context at the very least. Using his writing of fictions cannot be made to prove that any usage from his writings would necessarily also be fictional. You ARE free to assume that they ARE, however, you still lack direct evidence to prove your assumptions as being true in the case of Sri Paul Twitchell. No one ever told you that you could NOT have that opinion. I have only said that your assumptions are STILL unproven, and are therefore STILL only assumptions. It's is a VERY simple concept. One need not be a rocket scientist to understand the idea. So why does it trouble you so?

[Etznab]

"I have only said that your assumptions are STILL unproven, and are therefore STILL only assumptions. It's is a VERY simple concept. One need not be a rocket scientist to understand the idea. So why does it trouble you so? [... .]"

Really, Kinpa? You have only said?

I already know what you wrote. Would you care for a refresher course?

[Kinpa]

No...but you obviously do....it will be forthcoming, enjoy...

[Etznab]

Examples of other peoples experiences, claimed by Paul Twitchell and Eckankar texts, to have come from a Rebazar Tarzs instead.