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Eckankar Quotes Continued - The Key to Eckankar vs. Talbot Mundy
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Etznab
Jun 18, 2014, 7:13:42 PM6/18/14
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[...]
I asked, "But if it's really true, why doesn't it always work?"
The Master answered, "Does the Golden Rule work when applied by a conceited egotist? Torquemada thought he was obeying the Golden Rule when he tortured heretics. The rule is really so subtle that the complicated illusion of personality blinds us to it. We can learn gradually, little by little, and each little bit that we learn is an unfoldment of God" [....]
"So we come to happiness. This is either a fool's paradise or a byproduct of continual striving towards spiritual consciousness. True happiness is a sensation of momentary balance. When man remembers who and what he really is, he does no wrong and injures no one. Even his worst mistakes turn out to be a help to others and profitable lessons for all.
"Most people are good manipulators of mental atmosphere. This is only a phrase. One has to use words to suggest meanings that words cannot convey. We can, and often do, create a psychic field in which phenomena can easily occur. Often we have done this in the presence of great spiritual travelers and groups who supposedly are acting as channels for the divine spiritual force. The suddenness and unexpectedness of a straight question while in this field (I am speaking mainly of the magnetic field, as it is known to most of us) shocks the other person into letting go of his hard-held thoughts. Then we can see and know what he is thinking. He cannot possibly keep out of the consciousness that which we desire to put there. We can see his past, present, and any problems within him, without even trying.
"Most of the clergy, including priests, are what we call time-and fact-bound intellectuals who cannot grasp the meaning of the inner teachings. They are very open to psychic attacks and are certain to become confused when trying to translate infinity into time.
"Gradually, as man struggles toward God, the illusion of this life loses its hypnotic grip. We begin then to be free to think clearly and to solve problems sanely. We stop trying to fill holes with shadows. Instead, we try to fill them with ideas that develop their own substance.
"Anyone seeing on a spiritual plane, but working for material, personal profit, and especially for dishonest profit, is committing spiritual treason. This is why spies and criminals who use clairvoyance, as many of them consciously do, invariably meet with disaster. Clairvoyance perverted to treacherous ends leads to spiritual suicide. Sometimes it leads one into the madhouse. It is always, without exception - without any possible exception - ruinous to the one who misuses it."
I asked, "Are you telling me that I have misused my spiritual powers?"
[... .]
Based on: The Key to Eckankar, by Paul Twitchell, 1968, Fourth printing - 1985, pp. 24-25
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"But if it's really true, why doesn't it always work?"
"Does the Golden Rule work when applied by a conceited egotist? Torquemada thought he was obeying the Golden Rule when he tortured heretics. The rule is really so simple that the complicated illusion of personality blinds us to it. We can only learn gradually, little by little. But each little that we learn is one step on the road of evolution."
[...]
"[...] happiness is either a fool's paradise, or else a by-product of continual striving toward spiritual consciousness. True happiness is a sensation of momentary balance. When we remember who and what we really are, we do no wrong and we injure no one. Even our worst mistakes turn out to others' benefit; and they become profitable lessons for us."
[...]
"Andrew must have been thinking of you, or he would not have written the first message on the wall. Later, he received the telegram. Very likely Gombaria brought it to him. It would be just like Gombaria to make a mystery about it. He experiments. Gombaria is a very expert manipulator of mental atmosphere."
"Atmosphere?"
"Yes. That is only a phrase. One has to use words to suggest meanings that words can't convey. Gombaria can, and perhaps did, create a psychic field in which phenomena can easily occur. That is another phrase. It is worthless except as a hint. The reading of the telegram would direct Andrew's attention instantly and very strongly to you. The suddenness, and unexpectedness would shock him enough to make him let go of his own thoughts. He would see your thought. He couldn't possibly keep it out of his consciousness. I believe he would see your mental picture before he would see you. That would be normal."
"But, Nancy! Twenty hours after I sent it?"
"Why not? Time has nothing to do with it. That is one of the many reasons why time -- and fact-bound intellectuals can't grasp clairvoyance. It is why professional clairvoyants almost always prove unreliable."
[...]
"Gradually, as we struggle upward toward soul consciousness, the illusion loses its hypnotic grip. We begin then to be free to think clearly and to solve problems sanely. We leave off trying to fill holes with shadows. Instead, we fill them with ideas that develop their own substance. But it follows that a clairvoyant- seeing on a spiritual plane but working for material personal profit - and especially for dishonest profit - is committing spiritual treason. That is why gamblers and spies and criminals who use clairvoyance, as many of them consciously do, invariably meet disaster. Clairvoyance perverted to treacherous ends becomes spiritual suicide. Sometimes it leads to the madhouse. It is always, without any exception - without any possible exception - ruinous to the one who misuses it."
"God!" said Elsa. "Nancy -- tell me -- did I misuse it when I sent that message to Andrew?"
Based on: Old Ugly Face, by Talbot Mundy - 1940
http://freeread.com.au/@RGLibrary/TalbotMundy/Novels/OldUglyFace.html
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41391720 - The Key to Eckankar vs. Old Ugly Face (Talbot Mundy)
I asked, "But if it's really true, why doesn't it always work?"
The Master answered, "Does the Golden Rule work when applied by a conceited egotist? Torquemada thought he was obeying the Golden Rule when he tortured heretics. The rule is really so subtle that the complicated illusion of personality blinds us to it. We can learn gradually, little by little, and each little bit that we learn is an unfoldment of God" [....]
"So we come to happiness. This is either a fool's paradise or a byproduct of continual striving towards spiritual consciousness. True happiness is a sensation of momentary balance. When man remembers who and what he really is, he does no wrong and injures no one. Even his worst mistakes turn out to be a help to others and profitable lessons for all.
"Most people are good manipulators of mental atmosphere. This is only a phrase. One has to use words to suggest meanings that words cannot convey. We can, and often do, create a psychic field in which phenomena can easily occur. Often we have done this in the presence of great spiritual travelers and groups who supposedly are acting as channels for the divine spiritual force. The suddenness and unexpectedness of a straight question while in this field (I am speaking mainly of the magnetic field, as it is known to most of us) shocks the other person into letting go of his hard-held thoughts. Then we can see and know what he is thinking. He cannot possibly keep out of the consciousness that which we desire to put there. We can see his past, present, and any problems within him, without even trying.
"Most of the clergy, including priests, are what we call time-and fact-bound intellectuals who cannot grasp the meaning of the inner teachings. They are very open to psychic attacks and are certain to become confused when trying to translate infinity into time.
"Gradually, as man struggles toward God, the illusion of this life loses its hypnotic grip. We begin then to be free to think clearly and to solve problems sanely. We stop trying to fill holes with shadows. Instead, we try to fill them with ideas that develop their own substance.
"Anyone seeing on a spiritual plane, but working for material, personal profit, and especially for dishonest profit, is committing spiritual treason. This is why spies and criminals who use clairvoyance, as many of them consciously do, invariably meet with disaster. Clairvoyance perverted to treacherous ends leads to spiritual suicide. Sometimes it leads one into the madhouse. It is always, without exception - without any possible exception - ruinous to the one who misuses it."
I asked, "Are you telling me that I have misused my spiritual powers?"
[... .]
Based on: The Key to Eckankar, by Paul Twitchell, 1968, Fourth printing - 1985, pp. 24-25
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"But if it's really true, why doesn't it always work?"
"Does the Golden Rule work when applied by a conceited egotist? Torquemada thought he was obeying the Golden Rule when he tortured heretics. The rule is really so simple that the complicated illusion of personality blinds us to it. We can only learn gradually, little by little. But each little that we learn is one step on the road of evolution."
[...]
"[...] happiness is either a fool's paradise, or else a by-product of continual striving toward spiritual consciousness. True happiness is a sensation of momentary balance. When we remember who and what we really are, we do no wrong and we injure no one. Even our worst mistakes turn out to others' benefit; and they become profitable lessons for us."
[...]
"Andrew must have been thinking of you, or he would not have written the first message on the wall. Later, he received the telegram. Very likely Gombaria brought it to him. It would be just like Gombaria to make a mystery about it. He experiments. Gombaria is a very expert manipulator of mental atmosphere."
"Atmosphere?"
"Yes. That is only a phrase. One has to use words to suggest meanings that words can't convey. Gombaria can, and perhaps did, create a psychic field in which phenomena can easily occur. That is another phrase. It is worthless except as a hint. The reading of the telegram would direct Andrew's attention instantly and very strongly to you. The suddenness, and unexpectedness would shock him enough to make him let go of his own thoughts. He would see your thought. He couldn't possibly keep it out of his consciousness. I believe he would see your mental picture before he would see you. That would be normal."
"But, Nancy! Twenty hours after I sent it?"
"Why not? Time has nothing to do with it. That is one of the many reasons why time -- and fact-bound intellectuals can't grasp clairvoyance. It is why professional clairvoyants almost always prove unreliable."
[...]
"Gradually, as we struggle upward toward soul consciousness, the illusion loses its hypnotic grip. We begin then to be free to think clearly and to solve problems sanely. We leave off trying to fill holes with shadows. Instead, we fill them with ideas that develop their own substance. But it follows that a clairvoyant- seeing on a spiritual plane but working for material personal profit - and especially for dishonest profit - is committing spiritual treason. That is why gamblers and spies and criminals who use clairvoyance, as many of them consciously do, invariably meet disaster. Clairvoyance perverted to treacherous ends becomes spiritual suicide. Sometimes it leads to the madhouse. It is always, without any exception - without any possible exception - ruinous to the one who misuses it."
"God!" said Elsa. "Nancy -- tell me -- did I misuse it when I sent that message to Andrew?"
Based on: Old Ugly Face, by Talbot Mundy - 1940
http://freeread.com.au/@RGLibrary/TalbotMundy/Novels/OldUglyFace.html
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41391720 - The Key to Eckankar vs. Old Ugly Face (Talbot Mundy)
Etznab
Jun 18, 2014, 7:38:19 PM6/18/14
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The Key to Eckankar, by Paul Twitchell, 1968, Fourth printing - 1985, p. 26
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"[...] Death would be an incident. Everyone dies, sometime. Torture can be endured, until one dies of it. It doesn't matter. Agony dies in the end of its own nothingness, like irrecoverable years. Love lives forever. Now and forever. Pain and the past must be something less than love's chrysalis -- its shell -- its seed bed, in which necessary nothings rot, to release such real wonders as -- as -- as the comforting thrill of Andrew's hand between Elsa's shoulder blades! [... .]"
Based on: Old Ugly Face, by Talbot Mundy - 1940
http://freeread.com.au/@RGLibrary/TalbotMundy/Novels/OldUglyFace.html
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The Key to Eckankar, by Paul Twitchell, 1968, Fourth printing - 1985, p. 27
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[...] "Then were Homer, Virgil, and the ancients literally right? And the Bhagavad-Gita? Are there beings who guide and protect us Guardian angels? Did Joan of Arc really hear voices? What is a Master? Who ever saw one, and told, and got himself believed by anyone but yokels and nuts?"
Based on: Old Ugly Face, by Talbot Mundy - 1940
http://freeread.com.au/@RGLibrary/TalbotMundy/Novels/OldUglyFace.html
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The Key to Eckankar, by Paul Twitchell, 1968, Fourth printing - 1985, p. 27
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[...]
"Didn't Shakespeare say a poet's function is to reach to heaven for ideas and bring them down to earth?"
Yes. He said that. 'The poet's eye is a fine frenzy rolling -- ' "
"So, did Shakespeare originate the ideas that his poems convey? Did Jesus originate the Sermon on the Mount - or did he, like Shakespeare, take an ancient theme and hold it up to be drenched with Idea, like dew from heaven? Where did Beethoven go to find his Fifth Symphony? When great poetry and great music inspire you, what is conceived, gestates and gets born of that? -- The wrong thing or the right thing? - Do you act nobly, or contemptibly, when you have let Shakespeare's or Milton's vision illumine thought and -"
He interrupted, growing irritable: "Then am I a ventriloquist's dummy - parroting what's put into my mouth? -- A mere marionette - one of the lumpen-proletariat who -"
"Some people are. God pity those who misuse them. But you can choose, can't you, between noble and ignoble? You understand poetry and music love them - you can let them flow into your consciousness. What else stirred you to such undreamed of effort that you're here, in the wilds of Tibet - instead of where?"
"Are you trying to link me with some kind of metaphysical chain to Old Ugly-face?"
"Aren't we all linked to the sun, moon, stars? Isn't Lobsang Pun a poet? Like you - more so - more intelligently - doesn't he raise his consciousness to higher planes - and see -"
"See what?"
"As from a masthead - past, present, future, all in one moment, seen from above, through the eyes of -"
"Whose eyes?" [... .]
Based on: Old Ugly Face, by Talbot Mundy - 1940
http://freeread.com.au/@RGLibrary/TalbotMundy/Novels/OldUglyFace.html
41391720 - The Key to Eckankar vs. Old Ugly Face (Talbot Mundy)
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Note: For one to claim awareness, or that they know about every plagiarism and / or similarity between Eckankar writings and those of other writers ... as if they have seen every single example already I would have to say that is a very unusual statement. The reason being that it would take a lot of work and many, many hours of research to uncover and then to illustrate (record) every single example. To my knowledge certain individuals have done the work and uncovered a growing list, but not every single example. I myself do not claim awareness of every example, of every borrowing, paraphrase, plagiarism, what have you. And since many people don't really seem to care then I would doubt they are of every example aware. What is shown here are only so many pieces of examples, many of which were recorded in relative haste; due to the sheer amount of the similarities between the different sources.
Etznab
Jun 18, 2014, 9:30:44 PM6/18/14
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On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 6:13:42 PM UTC-5, Etznab wrote:
Quoting Scientology dynamics:
Dynamic one is the urge of the individual to survive as himself.
Dynamic two is the urge of the individual to survive through his progeny. The second dynamic has two main subdivisions, the sexual act and the creation of children and their rearing.
Dynamic three is the urge of the individual to survive as a member of a group, whether civil, political, racial, or just a number of individuals who compose a group.
Dynamic four is the urge of the individual to reach the highest survival in terms of mankind and is the urge of mankind to survive as man.
Dynamic five is the urge to survive as a life organism and embraces all living
organisms.
Dynamic six is the urge to survive as part of the physical universe and includes the survival of the physical universe.
Dynamic seven is the urge toward survival in a spiritual sense.
Dynamic eight is the urge toward survival as a part of or ward of a Supreme Being. The number eight, laid on its side, gives us the symbol -oo- for infinity.
http://www.e-reading.ws/bookreader.php/133980/Hubbard_-_Science_of_Survival._Prediction_of_Human_Behavior.pdf
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41391720 - The Key to Edckankar vs. Science of Survival - L. Ron Hubbard
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These next two paragraphs appear in The Key to Eckankar book about three paragraphs after quotes about the eight survival dynamics.
"All progress, all fulfillment, depends upon the control and concentration of one's attention. Attention is directed from within when we deliberately choose what we wish to be preoccupied with mentally. It is obvious that in the objective world, one's attention is not only attracted by, but is constantly directed to, external impressions. But the control of the subjective state is at first almost nonexistent, for in this state attention is usually the servant and not the master. It is the passenger and not the navigator of our chosen worlds.
"There is a vast difference between the two kinds of control, and the capacity to move one's attention to God depends upon subjective control. When we are able to control the movements of our attention in the subjective world, we can modify or alter our lives as we please. But this control cannot be achieved if we allow our attention to be constantly distracted from without. When this skill is learned, we no longer accept the dominance of outside conditions or circumstances. We do not accept life on the basis of the outside world. Having achieved control over the movements of our attention, and having discovered the mystery hidden through the ages that ECKANKAR is the direct path to God, we assert our attention to this way and put all things in subjugation to the SUGMAD."
Based on: The Key to ECKANKAR, by Paul Twitchell, Copyright 1968, Fourth Printing - 1985, p. 28.
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YOUR IMAGINATION is able to do all that you ask in proportion to the degree of your attention. All progress, all fulfillment of desire, depend upon the control and concentration of your attention. Attention may be either attracted from without or directed from within. Attention is attracted from without when you are consciously occupied with the external impressions of the immediate present. The very lines of this page are attracting your attention from without. Your attention is directed from within when you deliberately choose what you will be preoccupied with mentally. It is obvious that in the objective world your attention is not only attracted by but is constantly directed to external impressions. But, your control in the subjective state is almost nonexistent, for in this state attention is usually the servant and not the master -- the passenger and not the navigator -- of your world.
There is an enormous difference between attention directed objectively and attention directed subjectively, and the capacity to change your future depends on the latter. When you are able to control the movements of your attention in the subjective world, you can modify or alter your life as you please. But this control cannot be achieved if you allow your attention to be attracted constantly from without. Each day, set yourself the task of deliberately withdrawing your attention from the objective world and of focusing it subjectively. In other words, concentrate on those thoughts or moods which you deliberately determine. Then those things that now restrict you will fade and drop away. The day you achieve control of the movements of your attention in the subjective world, you are master of your fate.
You will no longer accept the dominance of outside conditions or circumstances. You will not accept life on the basis of the world without. Having achieved control of the movements of your attention, and having discovered the mystery hid from the ages, that Christ in you is your imagination, you will assert the supremacy of imagination and put all things in subjection to it.
The Power of Awareness, Neville Goddard, Chapter Twelve SUBJECTIVE CONTROL - Copyright 1952
http://archive.org/stream/ThePowerOfAwareness/Neville_ThePowerOfAwareness_djvu.txt
http://www.archive.org/stream/ThePowerOfAwareness/Neville_ThePowerOfAwareness#page/n29/mode/2up
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41391720 - The Key to Edckankar vs. The Power of Awareness - Neville
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Most of the reference links I had for the various authors and their writings are no longer active. However, I had a note about pp. 37-38 of The Key to Eckankar and to compare against the Scientology Axioms. (keyword search the phrase "primary consideration", etc.)
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The next set of similarities concern the pages 39-42 in The Key to Eckankar when compared with Joel S. Goldsmith's book Practicing The Presence. It is a long example of many paragraphs. I'll begin with the first two.
"God is Love. God is Life. God is Spirit. God is All. That is true whether we are saints or sinners. It is true whether We are young or old, Jew, Gentile, Oriental, or Occidental, regardless of creed or color. There is no way in which God can be left Out of ITS own universe, nor can we leave ourselves out of it.
"God is! There is always God. This God is infinite in nature, eternal, universal, impersonal, impartial, and omnipresent. But how do we avail ourselves of that which is the SUGMAD? How do we bring what we know about God into our individual experience? We must know and practice the principle of the heavenly kingdom until we become proficient in its application. It must be in our God-experience. God is. God is here and God is now. But God is available only in proportion to our realization and willingness to accept the discipline that is necessary for the attainment of that selfhood we call God-Realization."
Based on: The Key to ECKANKAR, by Paul Twitchell, Copyright 1968, Fourth Printing - 1985, pp. 39-40
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"God is love; God is life; God is Spirit; God is all. That is true whether we are saints or sinners; it is true whether we are young or old, Jew or Gentile, Oriental or Occidental, black, yellow, or white. There are no exceptions to God; God is no respector of persons. There is no way in which God can be left out of Its own universe, but we can leave ourselves out of it.
"God is; there is a God - never doubt that. This God is infinite in nature, eternal, universal, impersonal, impartial, and omnipresent. But how do we avail ourselves of that which God is? How do we bring this that we know about God into our individual experience? [...] We apply ourselves more diligently to practicing the principle until we become proficient in its application. So it must be in our God-experience. God is. and God is here, and God is now, but God is available only in proportion to our realization and willingness to accept the discipline that is necessary for the attainment of that mind which was also in Christ Jesus."
http://www.scribd.com/doc/218780789/82916572-Practicing-the-Presence-of-God-Joel-S-Goldsmith-1
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41391720 - The Key to Edckankar vs. Practicing The Presence - Goldsmith
Etznab
Jun 10, 2015, 11:20:29 PM6/10/15
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There is a real possibility that Paul Twitchell knew about the books and took ("borrowed" perhaps) text from them in order to write his own books. And yet, the fact of plagiarism could very well negate the alternative, or that it came instead from Rebazar Tarzs. Some people, however, can't stand to look at this consideration. But why not? Because if Rebazar Tarzs is not real it could imply they are ignorant and were fooled by a trickster? And it would also not look good for the Eckankar leadership and severely undermine their credibility? Is it these alternatives that some people can't stand?
Well, I am open to alternative explanations about how both the plagiarisms and the Eck Masters can exist together. It's not the first time I wanted to bring this up for discussion.
I would be willing to create a new thread for this very purpose, but no tinfoil caps allowed.
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