All is not well in Gakkai land

[Mark Rogow]

https://www.reddit.com/r/sgiwhistleblowers/comments/735sgn/soka_gakkai_malaysia_open_leadership_revolt/

[Chas.]

OK, prove your numbers, I want to know how many you are talking about. And a list of names to prove it. Substantiate your claims: you make it sound like you personally know about tens of thousands, but I'll bet the numbers of your world-wise internet community are around a hundred. Am I wrong?

How does that compare to the many millions in the SGI?

The millions of SGI members prove that Nichiren Daishonin and his loyal followers Nikko Shonin and President Ikeda are collectively right, and they DO NOT worship statues of Shakyamuni as a false god, and DO NOT agree with the Five Senior Priests who founded Nichiren Shu (your puppet masters) about anything.

You are the author of many inflated and bogus claims like these. Rational people will not listen to such a fractious ill-sorted collection of SGI-haters, who have NO COMMON CREED except that hatred of the SGI and its members, and NO COMMON DESIRE other than to destroy the SGI and defeat the Kosen Rufu movement.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

Should we do an archive search to refresh Chas’ memory regarding “numbers:SGI”- iainx nailed you on that score as he worked with stats in SGI-UK/ oh and perhaps another tip of the 🎩 to Chas for being the major cause of iainx leaving SGI/UK 😁

Wonder if Chas pays a penalty $ for the numbers of SGI members leaving his bogus cult who have encountered this IKEDA-bot on this forum ?

~Katie

[Chas.]

I don't trust Iain's claims or his "numbers". I want to see a count of your disaffected group, and at least first names or initials, which can be queried to make sure you are not making it up, like voter rolls in Chicago.

We are not talking about who has stopped practicing, simply because as Nichiren Daishonin says, it is profoundly difficult to continue this practice in the face of Sansho Shima and being nose-to-nose with the Devil King.

It's much easier when you are on Tenji-ma's side, of course, as you lot have found. That rapture he feeds you from the 7th heaven is as addicting as heroin or crack.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

Isinx’s main points were the spurious nature of Gakkai statistics.

Many you have been long gone from the cult of Ikeda personality are still counted as members - and the number of unaccounted for Hohonzons is staggering ‼️

[Katie Higgins]

Oops ! I phone mishap !
To clarify, there are many reasons to doubt SGI statistics- and even more reason to expect your demise for passing out Gohonzon like lottery tickets and attacking members who challenged the erroneous doctrines you inherited from Shoshu!

[Chas.]

In the SGI, we bestowed the Gohonzon, sometimes appearing too liberal, and sometimes appearing too cautious.

During the liberal times, many, many strong members today received Gohonzon, and many more could not continue the practice, for the reasons Nichiren Daishonin pointed out in the one-eyed turtle story: once having undergone the impossibility across countless lives of contacting the Sangha, chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo and becoming a member with a Gohonzon (collectively the one-eyed turtle's log), it is very easy to start and profoundly difficult to continue (the one-eyed turtle positioning herself on the log or falling off and losing it for another stretch of countless kalpas.) However, we gained a lot of great members during the liberal times, but the Gohonzon suffered along with those people.

During the cautious times, we protected the Gohonzon, but probably lost some great members by the gauntlet we made them run to receive Gohonzon.

It's a dynamic tension between protecting the Gohonzon and protecting the fragile balance of a starting member's practice. Without the Gohonzon, they may encounter sansho shima they cannot endure, but many members fail after a sustained practice: for instance, going through the various vagaries of Youth Division growth, or becoming MD and WD and losing the spotlight, or getting older, life events, etc.

Life is not easy. As I have made the case before, expedient means are like an open sore obtained in battle that cannot be addressed until the battle is over: there are side effects to any expedient.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

You are full of — -Chas -
The truth is Your bogus org sold Gohonzon like “ hot cakes “— no concern over what happened to tens of thousands !!

Now go sit down somewhere and shut up!!
Every time your “lips move” we know you , like your scuzzy cult leaders ,are lying !!

~ Katie

[Chas.]

That is an unparsable and useless screed, Katie. You might consider taking your own advice that you just screamed into the mirror.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

I am not the only member who witnessed the twice yearly “shakubuku “ campaigns of the NSA- statistics were compiled to show the success via number of Gohonzons and WT subscriptions “ sold “ a package deal !! What happened to those Gakkai recruits and your precious scrolls?
There are statistics on the drop out rate , too - and precious little concern over where your “ sacred scrolls wound up !!

You are a lousy liar Chas-/ and a deplorable hypocrite!!

~Katie

[Katie Higgins]

Back to the TOP/
Above Chas’ loser “spam fest “

[Chas.]

On Wednesday, October 4, 2017 at 8:52:41 PM UTC-7, Katie Higgins wrote:
> Back to the TOP/
> Above Chas’ loser “spam fest “

More Katie spam, speaking of hypocrisy.

And, like I said, this practice is impossible to find across the kalpas, easy to try once you encounter it, but incredibly difficult to keep. Hence the failure rate. Clearly, Nichiren Daishonin was aware of and sanguine with those challenges and the resulting failure rate, since he predicted it.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

And deplorable is your dissmisal of Nichiren’s own words , praising the Buddha and displaying his gratitude to Shakyamuni by upholding the Lotus Sutra!

~Katie

[Chas.]

On Friday, October 6, 2017 at 6:08:07 PM UTC-7, Katie Higgins wrote:
> And deplorable is your dissmisal of Nichiren’s own words , praising the Buddha and displaying his gratitude to Shakyamuni by upholding the Lotus Sutra!
>
> ~Katie

My words are not as your fabrication would suggest. I agree with the words of Nichiren Daishonin about Shakyamuni, Lord of Teachings, but not to the crazy extension of those words into deifying Shakyamuni into God Almighty, creator of heaven and earth - as is done by the Nichiren Shu traitorous priests as they throw Nichiren Daishonin out of his role as Buddha of the Latter Day of the Law and Jogyo, leader of the Bodhisattvas of the Earth and the Kosen Rufu movement.

Worshiping statues of Shakyamuni and slobbering at their feet as an idolater is not my practice, the Gohonzon is the "supreme object of devotion in all of Jambudvipa" and that means this physical universe. No other object of devotion is worth bowing to. Not by a human being and common mortal, which Nichiren Daishonin says is the true Buddha.

-Chas.

[Noel]

Well then you may be pleased to hear that from next month the Soka Gakkai and SGI members could have the opportunity to receive authentic Nichiren inscribed 10 Gohonzons that has been given the thumbs up from Headquarters with no characters of the 10 worlds missing this time

[Mark Rogow]

No indeed. Your practice is sticking your head way up Ikeda's rectum. Enjoy!

Mark

[Chas.]

Should such an event come to pass, said Gohonzon would be being received from the movement for Kosen Rufu, as opposed to receiving it from the corrupted priests of Nichiren Shu, who betrayed and abandoned Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism of the Lotus Sutra, and distorted that Buddhism into a statue-worshiping deification and idolatry of Shakyamuni as God Almighty, creator of heaven and earth.

Anything has value or not, independent of the value created by receiving that item from a source that is either good or evil on its own merit. This is the simple logic of Kantian deontology, according to his theory of the categorical imperative.

-Chas.

[Noel]

Nichiren's authentic Gohonzons are beyond corruption. Would you throw away or refuse a hundred dollar note if you could tell the identity of all those whos hands it's been through after it came out of the mint when you dicovered some of them were thieves and murderers???

[Katie Higgins]

The priests of Nichiren Shu have two important doctrines right: 1) The Three Treasures and 2) The Daimoku , Namu-myoho-renge-kyo. Though they cannot attain Buddhahod due to abdicating the prate of shakubuku, they do not attack, slander and abuse votaries of the Lotus Sutra.

The Gakkai and the Shoshu have fabricated doctrines and therefore incorrect faith; they attack, slander and abuse votaries of the Lotus Sutra. Their ruination is certain.

~Katie

[Chas.]

Actually, you are a votary of the Katie Sutra, where Shakyamuni falsely advocates for erecting statues of him and worshiping them as a deified God Almighty.

That is what you are manifesting by your activities.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

Just TWO activities here today- for me anyway:

1) Noting your "spam fest" featuring "Katie's errors"-- but NOT addressing the direst quotes I posted from Gosho and Lotus Sutra (typical CHAS)

2) Posting salient points of the Gosho where Nichiren specifically addressed the prime points for religious debate:

- show quoted text -
The salient points of this Gosho passage are:

1) >>"" I SUGGEST you begin the religious debate with these words:] “Although I am an ignorant layman, among the teachings I have heard, I was especially impressed by the passage in the second volume of the Lotus Sutra that reads, ‘Now this threefold world [is all my domain . . . ]’”

Nichiren establishes the Lotus Sutra itself as the priest point,

2)>>"’”1 This sutra passage means that this country of Japan is the domain of Shakyamuni Buddha. In addition to the fact that all the gods, such as the Sun Goddess, Great Bodhisattva Hachiman, and Emperor Jimmu, and all the people, from the ruler of the nation on down, dwell within his realm, he is the Buddha to whom we living beings are greatly indebted for three reasons. First, he is our sovereign; second, he is our teacher; and third, he is our father. Among all the Buddhas of the ten directions, only Shakyamuni Buddha is endowed with these three virtues<<"-

ONLY Shakyamuni is endowed with the three virtues--HE, Shakyamuni is the BUDDHA to whom we living beings are greatly indebted..

Lotus Sutra-- ENTIRE text; Shakyamuni , eternal Buddha

3)Nichiren as the foremost votary of the Lotus Sutra, who upheld 1 & 2; claimed to be Bodhisattva Jogyo - after many years upholding the Sutra and propagating the daimoku ENTRUSTED to him by Shakyamuni-

A Major doctrine is thus established from these three points is THE THREE TREASURES/JEWELS:

BUDDHA: SHAKYAMUNI
TEACHING: LOTUS SUTRA/DAIMOKU
ORDER: NICHIREN AND HIS FOLLOWERS

Chas' doctrine:
Buddha: Nichiren -- ( established in 1400's- by priest who was trained in KANTO TENDAI. )
Teaching-- Daimoku - as prior to and superior to the TEXT of the Lotus Sutra= TEndai fourfold rise and fall-
Order: Ikeda and SGI members- slander of the Lotus Sutra- based on above 2 heretical teachings.

Specifics about the origins of Chas' doctrines are a matter of historical record. Study "outside"
the Gakkai brand is required to trace their lineage.

It is clear Chas has not addressed the divergence of his doctrine from Nichiren's clearly stated doctrine in the Gosho "Reply to Yasaburo".

Since the Three Treasures is a basic element of Buddhism in general, one should expect any practitioner to KNOW this doctrine and be able to cite its origin.

We'll see if Chas can address what has been said-- instead of attacking because he doesn't know the answers to the most basic questions about the Buddhism he practices --

~Katie

[Chas.]

Your ill-definition of me is, once again, another willful lie from the completely intellectually dishonest Katie Higgins.

My doctrinal views are Nichiren Daishonin's:

Buddha: Myoho-Renge, as taught by Nichiren Daishonin as the "actual name of the entity" from the "Entity of the Mystic Law" Gosho.

Teaching: Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo, the Law at the Heart of the Lotus Sutra, as practiced by Nichiren Daishonin and his followers.

Buddhist Order: Nikko Shonin's Fuji School, founded at the final desire of his mentor Nichiren Daishonin in his two Transfer Documents. The Fuji School is now only represented by the SGI, who follow all of Nikko Shonin's 26 Admonitions since Josei Toda, the 2nd President asked us to "engrave them in out hearts".

You Katie Higgins, are an unreconstructed liar of the worst kind.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

Toda was Shoshu-- a lineage of corrupters of Nichiren's teachings-- that's your lineage too, Chas.

I You refuse to research the matter of your heretical doctrines-- and in fact, you seem clueless regarding the origins of these heretical doctrines.

Instead of posturing with venomous rhetoric, why don't you share YOUR doctrine "The Three Treasures /Jewels"-- fill in the blanks Buddha______; Teaching________; Order__________.

Again and again Nichiren's teachings that form the basis of this doctrine are shared -- the Gosho "Reply to Yasaburo" is an excellent example of Nichiren detailing this BASIC, MAJOR doctrine. You deny or ignore Nichiren's own words-- so, where or where did your doctrine come from?

Maybe you are in the dark regarding "secret transfers and the Fuji school"? Of course you are, as you do not question what you have been indoctrinated with-- Yet, even followers of Nichiren who do not research the historical context of your corrupt teachings, KNOW your rhetoric is not related to what Nichiren taught-- so, it becomes obvious you don't actually study the great body of Nichiren's work much less the 10 Major Writings.

Hint: The daimoku and the Gohonzon are not "separate" teachings-- both merge with and derrive from the Lotus Sutra -- Your "version" is that Nichiren is superior to Shakyamuni -- the "originall Buddha" based entirely on your confusing Nichiren's "practice" for this evil age as a NEW form of Buddhism. Big problem with "your version" Chas-- Nichiren's authentic Gosho do not support your "views"

As for "ill-definition" of [you] your behavior-- your multiple personal attack type posts are your signature response to being confronted with Nichiren's own words. Since your erratic, obfuscating behavior is long standing - noted repeatedly on this board , I find it interesting that you continue to label those of us who call you out as "willful liars"!

Man up and address the issue of one of your main doctrines. The Three Treasures. -

~Katie

[Chas.]

Katie Higgins and her unreconstructed lying are defeated by the Lotus Sutra itself +

On Thursday, October 12, 2017 at 10:11:42 AM UTC-7, Katie Higgins wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 at 11:44:10 PM UTC-4, Chas. wrote:
> > Nevertheless, Nichiren Daishonin DID NOT confer godhood upon Shakyamuni, nor did he request that Yasaburō worship statues of Shakyamuni AS IF he was God Almighty, creator of heaven and earth.
> >
> > He revered Shakyamuni deeply, as we all know, but we all also know he beleived that the Gohonzon was "the supreme object of worship in all Jambudvipa."
> >
> > -Chas.
>

[snip]

>
> 2)>>"’”1 This sutra passage means that this country of Japan is the domain of Shakyamuni Buddha. In addition to the fact that all the gods, such as the Sun Goddess, Great Bodhisattva Hachiman, and Emperor Jimmu, and all the people, from the ruler of the nation on down, dwell within his realm, he is the Buddha to whom we living beings are greatly indebted for three reasons. First, he is our sovereign; second, he is our teacher; and third, he is our father. Among all the Buddhas of the ten directions, only Shakyamuni Buddha is endowed with these three virtues<<"-
>
> ONLY Shakyamuni is endowed with the three virtues--HE, Shakyamuni is the BUDDHA to whom we living beings are greatly indebted..
>

[snip]

As usual, in your lying and intellectually dishonest way, you misquote Nichiren Daishonin by taking his words out of context. I have upper-cased the part you dropped, which undermines your point completely.

Here is the full quote from the "Reply to Yasaburō" Gosho, WND I, p. 827:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/100#para-0

... [I suggest you begin the religious debate with these
... words:] “Although I am an ignorant layman, among the
... teachings I have heard, I was especially impressed by the
... passage in the second volume of the Lotus Sutra that reads,
... ‘Now this threefold world [is all my domain... ]’” This
... sutra passage means that this country of Japan is the
... domain of Shakyamuni Buddha. In addition to the fact that
... all the gods, such as the Sun Goddess, Great Bodhisattva
... Hachiman, and Emperor Jimmu, and all the people, from the
... ruler of the nation on down, dwell within his realm, he is
... the Buddha to whom we living beings are greatly indebted
... for three reasons. First, he is our sovereign; second, he
... is our teacher; and third, he is our father. Among all the
... Buddhas of the ten directions, only Shakyamuni Buddha is
... endowed with these three virtues. THEREFORE, EVEN IF ALL
... THE PEOPLE OF THE COUNTRY OF JAPAN WERE TO SERVE SHAKYAMUNI
... BUDDHA WHOLEHEARTEDLY JUST AS THEY NOW DO AMIDA BUDDHA, IF
... THEY WERE TO PLACE HIM SIDE BY SIDE WITH ANOTHER BUDDHA AND
... TREAT HIM IN THE SAME MANNER, THAT WOULD STILL BE A GRAVE
... ERROR. For example, though someone were our own ruler and
... wise besides, if we were to shift our allegiance to the
... ruler of another country—for instance, if, while dwelling
... in Japan, we were to pay honor to the king of China or
... Koryŏ and slight the sovereign of Japan—could we be called
... persons who honor the great sovereign of this country

Who Nichiren Daishonin is clearly characterizing as "another Buddha" are other Buddhas of other incredibly slanderous teachings:

1. Amida Buddha of the Western Realm / Nembutsu / Hōnen (1133-1212) and his 1198 teaching "The Nembutsu Chosen above All"

2. Mahavairochana / True Word Shingon Esoteric School / Shan-wu-wei (637-735) and Kōbō (774-835) and their writings about the teachings of the Diamond Realm and Womb Realm mandalas.

3. Shakyamuni of the Flower Garland Sutra / Flower Garland School / Fa-tsang (643–712) and his doctrine raising the Flower Garland school over those of all other schools, including the Lotus Sutra school.

4. The Void / countless Zen schools / many different Zen haters of the Lotus Sutra and Buddhism.

etc.

This is who Nichiren Daishonin was up against and clearly what he intended to differentiate, not any other person who would attain Buddhahood as Shakyamuni did and as he preached in the Lotus Sutra that his 15 brothers, father and grandfather did before him, and as he predicted that his followers and even Devadatta would after him.

How can you possibly lie like this when the Lotus Sutra so clearly exposes your lies? The details are here:
___________________________________________________________

The Lotus Sutra defeats Mark Rogow and Katie Higgins deification: the Buddha had 15 brothers just like him +

In response to Mark Rogow's weak and corrupted arguments:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/1fUX4H4ZIaw/hwfPlTmaBwAJ

Here's some Lotus Sutra for you to consider, Mark Rogow, in your utter defeat.

You say that Shakyamuni alone is the Tathagata, the only Thus Come One, and everyone else should prostrate themselves and kiss the feet of his statues as if he were God Almighty, creator of heaven and earth, and no one else is a Buddha. However, this is utterly incorrect.

When Shakyamuni preaches the Lotus Sutra, he is speaking for the soul of Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo that exists in all living beings, but he is not the only one that preaches thus. In the Lotus Sutra he predicts future Buddhas from his followers and even from Devadatta. They will all become Thus Come Ones and that means they will all preach the Lotus Sutra as he did.

In the remote past there were also others who preached thus, Shakyamuni's grandfather, his father the buddha Great Universal Wisdom Excellence and 15 brothers:

The Parable of the Phantom City, LS-7, pp 156-157:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Content/7#para-35

... "Now, monks, the buddha Great Universal Wisdom Excellence
... passed ten small kalpas before the Law of the buddhas
... finally appeared before him and he attained supreme
... perfect enlightenment. Before this buddha left the
... householder's life, he had sixteen sons, the first of whom
... was named Wisdom Accumulated. These sons each had various
... kinds of rare objects and toys of one kind or another, but
... when they heard that their father had attained supreme
... perfect enlightenment, they all threw aside their rare
... objects and went to where the buddha was. Their mothers,
... weeping, followed after them.
...
... "Their grandfather, who was a wheel-turning sage king,
... along with a hundred chief ministers, as well as a
... hundred, thousand, ten thousand, million of his subjects,
... all together surrounded the sons and followed them to the
... place of enlightenment, all wishing to draw close to the
... thus come one Great Universal Wisdom Excellence, to offer
... alms, pay honor, venerate, and praise him. When they
... arrived, they bowed before his feet, touching their heads
... to the ground.

He and his fifteen brothers all preached in different Buddha lands:

From the Lotus Sutra, Chapter 7, "Parable of the Phantom City", pp.172-173:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Content/7#para-282

... “You monks, I will now tell you this. These disciples of
... the buddha, these sixteen shramaneras, have now all
... attained supreme perfect enlightenment. In the lands in the
... ten directions they are at present preaching the Law, with
... immeasurable hundreds, thousands, ten thousands, millions
... of bodhisattvas and voice-hearers for their retinues. Two
... of these shramaneras have become buddhas in the eastern
... region. One is named Akshobhya and lives in the Land of
... Joy. The other is named Sumeru Peak. Two are buddhas in the
... southeastern region, one named Lion Voice, the other named
... Lion Appearance. Two are buddhas in the southern region,
... one named Void-Dwelling, the other named Ever Extinguished.
... Two are buddhas in the southwestern region, one named
... Emperor Appearance, the other named Brahma Appearance. Two
... are buddhas in the western region, one named Amitayus, the
... other named Saving All from Worldly Suffering. Two are
... buddhas in the northwestern region, one named Tamala Leaf
... Sandalwood Fragrance Transcendental Power, the other named
... Sumeru Appearance. Two are buddhas in the northern region,
... one named Cloud Freedom, the other named Cloud Freedom
... King. Of the buddhas of the northeastern region, one is
... named Destroying All Worldly Fears. THE SIXTEENTH IS I,
... SHAKYAMUNI BUDDHA, WHO IN THIS SAHA LAND HAVE ATTAINED
... SUPREME PERFECT ENLIGHTENMENT.

Presumably, when each preached the Lotus Sutra, each in turn spoke for the entity of the Mystic Law welling up from within their lives. Each in turn said, "I [name goes here] tell all creatures that I [name goes here] exist forever in this world."

Presumably, none of them had the job of declaring what is the [name goes here]. That is the job of some one who comes sometime later as Bodhisattva Jogyo who says that "the actual name of the entity" was/is/will be "Myoho-Renge."

I presume that having been thus in this world, it is thus in those "other lands".

My presumptions might be wrong, but AT LEAST THEY ARE IN LINE WITH THE ACTUAL WORDS DESCRIBING THE TRUE REALITY IN THE LOTUS SUTRA ITSELF, PREACHED BY SHAKYAMUNI, HIMSELF, AND NOT IN DIRECT CONTRADICTION OF THE GOLDEN WORDS OF THE LOTUS SUTRA PREACHED BY SHAKYAMUNI BUDDHA, AS YOUR DISTORTIONS OF BUDDHISM ARE.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

The point, Chas is for you to address Nichiren's OWN words.

Can't you do that?

~Katie

[Chas.]

I just did, above:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/Wo7_aMfC7oE/VgoXEoHDAgAJ

The list of five "other Buddhas" is what he is addressing in that text. Other teachings accompanied by other teachers. He didn't over-complicate his argument by describing them as "other provisional Buddhas in the ten directions", that's all. He is clearly addressing Amida, Medicine Master Buddha, Mahavairochana, Flower Garland Sutra Buddha, etc., all of which are replacements for Shakyamuni of the Lotus Sutra, the Lord of Teachings.

And none of the above are "the actual name of the entity" that was, is and will always be "Myoho-Renge."

Your lying undermines your arguments: when you say I have replaced the Shakyamuni Buddha of the Lotus Sutra by Nichiren Daishonin, I have not. Neither one is "the actual name of the entity", that was, is and will always be "Myoho-Renge."

Can you read? I'm beginning to doubt it.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

What is the purpose of a religious debate, Chas?
You’re ignoring the premise - to establish and defend the doctrines and the teachings upon which they are based .

The POINT you are missing is that Nichiren’s instructions to Yasaburo pertain to the MAJOR doctrines of Nichiren’s teachings : The Buddha and the Lotus Sutra — NOT a “ primordial entity “ not even mentioned in the Lotus Sutra , that you claim is superior to the Buddha who preached the Lotus Sutra ‼️

~ Katie

[Chas.]

My contention is this.

1. You are misunderstanding Nichiren Daishonin.

2. The proof is that your understanding of him disagrees with what the Lotus Sutra explicitly says not requiring interpretation.

3. Thus, your misunderstanding is simply a misunderstanding, because Nichiren Daishonin would never, ever disagree with the Lotus Sutra.

4. So, when the Lotus Sutra says that Shakyamuni has 15 brothers, a father and grandfather doing the same thing he does, that means he is not above all other Buddhas preaching the Lotus Sutra, only above other "Buddhas" preaching other teachings.

5. Thus, the statement that there is no discernible difference between anyone who chants Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo stands, with the caveat that Nichiren Daishonin makes regarding chanting while working against the Buddha's intent, as you and Mark Rogow and anyone who follows you do.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

Chas has a problem with accepting Nichirens clear descriptions of his doctrines -/ why ? Because Nichiren’s actual teachings don’t support Chas ‘ kanto Tendai bunk ‼️

~ Katie

[Noel]

>Thus, the statement that there is no discernible difference between anyone who chants Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo,

Then you would say the same of Dr. Jekyll and Mr Hyde

[Katie Higgins]

Your statement is heretical , Noel - and it is beyond me how you can persist in making such brazen remarks based on your “personal “ concepts . You continually disregard Nichiren’s own words and disbelieve the Lotus Sutra—

“However, without comprehending the sutras ‘ significance, the founders who established these schools merely followed their own personal concepts of Buddhism while appearing to give patronage to the sutras”- Nichiren described the situation that was medieval Japanese Tendai- which also applies to the Tendai trained priests that corrupted Nichiren’s teachings in the same manner that you, Dave, Ricky and Chas do here !
“With this superficial approach , the founders of each of these schools propagated their doctrines without realizing that in turning their back on the Lotus Sutra, the true intent of the Buddha would not be realized .”

It is with correct faith and practice EXACTLY as Nichiren taught, that one is able to attain the same benefits as the Buddha ,himself attained.
Given your inability to grasp this -or your arrogant complacency with heretical teachings, or both , you will not attain Buddhahood - . Full stop.

~Katie

[Noel]

There is a big difference between yourself and others who chant either Nam Myoho Renge Kyo or Namu Myoho Renge Kyo especially when you read it in a superficial manner

[Katie Higgins]

Nichiren teaches that one who chants the daimoku while going against the Buddha’s intent , is destroying the heart of the Lotus Sutra.

Again , Noel asserts his own personal concepts - disregarding Nichiren’s clear instructions:” Teach others as I have taught you these many years !”;
Noel slanders Nichiren as well ‼️

~ Katie

[Chas.]

Noel is right. (Even broken clocks occasionally are.)

Devadatta was predicted to attain enlightenment in the Lotus Sutra.

There is a difference between what a person is, and what their actions are. In the eternity of the three existences of past, present and future, Devadatta is the Buddha. The three existences view of Devadatta is the enlightened view.

Nevertheless, Devadatta must in the present tense be refuted and defeated, which is why the Buddha sent out Maudgalyayana and Shariputra to do just that ... and effectively to accelerate him towards his enlightenment in another life.

And that is why I'm here with you all.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

And still your silence when Nichiren's own words; his own clear concisely expressed teachings are presented here.

Perhaps you think no one notices your little bait and switch maneuvers that always bring you back to your baseline--"personal attacks"-- The signature slander MO of the SGI !!

~Katie

[Chas.]

1. Actually, Nichiren Daishonin never, ever said to place statues of Shakyamuni on the altar, or in the Butsudan as is done by your puppet masters in Nichiren Shu.

2. Nichiren Daishonin never, ever said that Shakyamuni should be raised up over the rest of humanity and deified like a man-god, such as Christ is deified as the son of God. Instead, Nichiren Daishonin said there is no discernible difference between Shakyamuni and his followers.

3. The Lotus Sutra states unequivocally that Shakyamuni had 15 brothers just like him doing the same thing in different parts of the Universe, and they all had been disciples of their father Great Universal Wisdom Excellence, and the grandfather before him. This means Shakyamuni cannot have a special and unique Man-God status, because there are at least 17 others like him.

4. Nichiren Daishonin clearly stated that he was Bodhisattva Jogyo in the Gosho, which you and your puppet masters in Nichiren Shu deny.

5. It is (a) Nichiren Daishonin's practice, (b) daimoku Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo, (c) Gohonzon, (d) Gosho that you supposedly hold dear. None of these came from Shakyamuni, the Buddha of the Former Day of the Law, whose obsolete practices YOU MUST NOT FOLLOW. Nichiren Daishonin IS THE Buddha of the Latter Day of the Law, which you and your puppet masters in Nichiren Shu deny.

Therefore, the canard that you follow Nichiren Daishonin is easily dismissed. You only really follow your interpretations of him taken out of context in your various screeds relating to "Reply to Yasaburō", which misinterpretations I have refuted previously.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

When will Chas ever address what Nichiren DID say about Shakyamuni, the eternal Buddha?

The "reply to Yasaburo" Gosho is just one of many, many examples of Nichiren establishing his doctrine of the Three Treasures -- this Gosho happens to be applicable here because the TOPIC is religious debate.

You happen to live in Shakyamuni's domain-- not only do you disparage this truth, but you have the unmitigated gall to disregard Nichiren's affirmation of EVERY word Shakaymuni uttered in the Lotus Sutra.

I don't need 'puppet masters", Chas-- I practice faith as Nichiren taught. He is the ONLY teacher qualified on matters of the Buddha's teaching, specifically, how to practice the Lotus Sutra in this evil age.

~Katie

[Chas.]

Nichiren Daishonin did not keep the status of all people, that the common mortal is the true Buddha, a secret Katie.

You keep getting lost in the fake argument that I deify Nichiren Daishonin while you correctly deify Shakyamuni in your statue-worshiping idolatry.

Deification of ANYONE is dehumanizing and wrong.

As Nichiren Daishonin declares in the "Entity of the Mystic Law Gosho" the actual name of the entity is "Myoho-Renge".

-Chas.

[JazzIs TvRicky]

SGI had an ardent fan in the form of member Josephine Hamada, who proposed several endorsements, as you will see below, and the School Administrator Grace Kojima, who apparently could be counted upon to NOT "just say 'No'"! I don't have any idea how much money exchanged hands to make all this happen, but I'm guessing it was substantial, for an experienced school administrator such as Kojima to throw this school's children, whose welfare was her responsibility, under the SGI cult bus.

Beyer Elementary School in San Ysidro, California, Appoints SGI President and Mrs. Ikeda as Honorary Principals

On June 6, [2001], SGI President Daisaku Ikeda and his wife, Mrs. Kaneko Ikeda, were appointed honorary principals of Beyer Elementary School in San Ysidro, California, USA, in recognition of their longstanding contributions to the advancement of education, anti-violence, and peace on an international scale, based on the value-creating pedagogy of Soka education. Mr. and Mrs. Ikeda are being lauded as ideal role models, reflecting the school's educational philosophy.

WHY? What have they ever done that anyone else would want to emulate??

On the same day, the school also dedicated a garden, grown and cared for by the students, to educator and first Soka Gakkai president Tsunesaburo Makiguchi (1871-1944)--The Makiguchi California Native Plant Garden--in commemoration of his 130th birthday. Trees were planted in honor of Mr. Makiguchi, Mr. Ikeda, Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., and Cesar Chavez (1927-1993), founder of the United Farm Workers' Union. San Ysidro is located in the southern-most part of California, next to the U.S.-Mexico border.

Trying to invoke famous people to ride on their fame and seize a little for himself, Ikeda is.

Attending the ceremony were: Beyer Elementary School Principal Fred Cruz, San Ysidro School Administrator Grace Kojima, Beyer School teacher Josephine Hamada, who proposed the honorary principal appointments, other faculty and students, and SGI-USA General Director Daniel Nagashima, who represented Mr. and Mrs. Ikeda.

San Ysidro Women's Club and San Diego House of Representatives Member Commend SGI President and Mrs. Ikeda

On September 8, [2001], the San Ysidro Women's Club and San Diego Congressman Bob Filner presented certificates of appreciation to SGI President Daisaku Ikeda and Mrs. Kaneko Ikeda for their contributions to San Ysidro community

Now show us the RECEIPTS!!

as well as for their dedication to advance peace, education and culture worldwide. The presentation took place at the Beyer Elementary School in San Ysidro, California, of which Mr. and Mrs. Ikeda were named honorary principals in June of this year. Mr. Ikeda had presented a poem to the students of Beyer Elementary School, as well as books to the school library and nearby public library. The SGI also contributed cherry trees to the city and plants to the school's Makiguchi California Native Plant Garden, which pays tribute to the humanistic pedagogy of educator and first Soka Gakkai president Tsunesaburo Makiguchi.

So, when the children ask, "Who was Tsupresabooboo Makagotchi?" they can be directed to books ghostwritten for authored by IKEDA that IKEDA donated to their library!!

In June 2001, SGI President Daisaku Ikeda and Mrs. Kaneko Ikeda were named honorary principals of the school for their longstanding contributions to the advancement of education. Mr. Ikeda presented a poem to Beyer students and donated books to the school library. The SGI contributed cherry trees to San Ysidro and plants to Beyer's Makiguchi California Native Plant Garden. As a gesture of appreciation for the goodwill and friendship between Beyer and Mr. and Mrs. Ikeda, the school opened "Toda Peace Cherry Tree Grove" on the school grounds in memory of second Soka Gakkai president Josei Toda.

So they've gotten this SINGLE elementary school to "honor" ALL THREE SOKA GAKKAI PRESIDENTS!! Source

BUT WAIT! THERE'S MOAR!!

SAN YSIDRO – The Japanese and the children of Beyer Elementary School reaffirmed their unusual bond yesterday with a memorial ceremony for the victims of the Sept. 11 attacks.

And the moral of the story is this: NEVER underestimate how many friends money can buy!

In a cherry orchard in the southeast corner of the gravel-surfaced playground, the school honored a Japanese victim of the attacks, David Aoyama of Culver City. Aoyama was on the hijacked flight that crashed into the north tower of the World Trade Center.

Seima "David" Aoyama was shipped over here in the 1980s, along with Danny Nagashima, to prepare to move into plum salaried positions with SGI-USA - Nagashima became General Director (the top executive) and Aoyama was an accountant. The SGI-USA official who replaced Nagashima was - you guessed it - an accountant. Shame Aoyama was out of the picture - he'd have made a competent General Director. I'm confident that was the plan.

Notice they're still identifying him as "Japanese" - he had a green card, not citizenship.

The orchard has a plaque in Aoyama's memory, and his widow, daughter and son laid a wreath by it to mark the fourth anniversary of his death.

So 2005.

Emily Aoyama, the daughter, told Beyer's 600 kindergarten-through-sixth-graders that their proximity to the border gives them the opportunity to make friends from other countries.

"I promise to everyone and to my father that I will dedicate my life to bringing the people closer and ultimately bringing world peace closer to our hearts," Aoyama said.

The connection dates to the spring of 2001, when Beyer second-grade teacher Josie Hamada gained permission to make Dr. Daisaku Ikeda and his wife, Kaneko, honorary principals of the school. Source

How grotesque using Aoyama's children that way. Props, nothing more. Along with those children whose parents had entrusted them to that public school to protect and educate, not to expose to weird-ass culties.

So that's FOUR Soka Gakkai Japanese people being honored at a US elementary school - what sense does any of THAT make??

But you'll be happy to know that, in 2012, Beyer Elementary School was razed to the ground. Including the library - all the books were probably thrown out or dumped on Goodwill. All the cherry trees and native plants as well, apparently - San Ysidro parents describe the lot as "nothing but weeds" now. It was supposed to be rebuilt, but there has been so much corruption and mismanagement and outright fraud that nothing has happened.

And of COURSE that's the milieu that drew Ikeda like a moth to the flame...

[Katie Higgins]

I have never used the term , “ deify “- but have noted your error in claiming Nichiren , not Shakyamuni is the “original Buddha” - that’s a doctrinal error on your part , Chas - a MAJOR. Error,

You are hung up with Judeo-Christian terminology!! You don’t seem to grasp the difference between an omnipotent God and the Buddha.

Also have pointed out your teaching on the daimoku is erroneous- The daimoku is Dharma - not Buddha. The way you separate the title of the Lotus Sutra from the entire text of the Sutra and claim it is the “ name of a primordial entity “ is straight up kanto Tendai - and because you are lazy and belligerent in your ignorance you refuse to properly investigate this Major doctrinal wrtor !

How long do readers need to be subjected to your willful ignorance ? You are distinguished here as the poster boy -warning sign against joining the SGIKEDA CULT!

Your favorite opponents suffer equally from SGI:NST poison ingestion . But at least they have enough sense to denounce the SGI!

~ Katie

[Chas.]

On Tuesday, November 7, 2017 at 6:49:54 PM UTC-8, Katie Higgins wrote:
> I have never used the term , “ deify “- but have noted your error in claiming Nichiren , not Shakyamuni is the “original Buddha” - that’s a doctrinal error on your part , Chas - a MAJOR. Error,
>

And that is your original lie, Katie Higgins.

Over and over I have stated that to DEIFY ANYONE MEANS TO DEHUMANIZE THEM.

Neither Shakyamuni nor Nichiren Daishonin should be deified as a man-God like Jesus, nor as God Almighty Jehovah, in the way that you and your evil traitorous statue-worshiping Nichiren Shu priests do.

All that is a deflection from the fact that you cannot answer my four simple refuting statements:

Nor will they be, there is no viable construct supporting your distortions of Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism of the Lotus Sutra into a dehumanizing deification of Shakyamuni as God Almighty, Creator of Heaven and Earth like Jehovah or as a man-God like Jesus Christ. Statue-worshiping idolatry IS NOT Buddhism, it is an outrageous and insupportable attack on the Lotus Sutra itself.

1. Nichiren Daishonin's Gosho refutes this idolatry directly ("Myoho-Renge" is "the actual name of the entity".)

2. The Lotus Sutra refutes this dehumanizing deification directly (In the past, 15 elder brothers, father and grandfather, and in the future his disciples and even Devadatta: all are great Buddhas just like him.)

3. The Gohonzon refutes this dehumanizing deification directly (the prominence of "Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo Nichiren" over all other entities, Nichiren being the person who is chanting and raising the banner of Myoho.)

4. Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo refutes this dehumanizing deification directly (we chant neither Nam-Shakyamuni-Butsu, nor Nam-Nichiren-Butsu.)

You will, I am certain, continue to float the canard that I deify Nichiren Daishonin instead of Shakyamuni and will continue to hide behind that transparent lie.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

You’re using the term , “ deify” - it does not describe Nichirens reverence for the Buddha , not mine .

It is looking like you really don’t even have a very basic sound understanding of BUDDHA!
Right . SGI. Teaches you are the “ true Buddha”
LOL-

I think it is important to note that there is no focus or study by SGI members on learning about Shakyamuni Buddha - few if any members still read the Gosho on their own -

Buddhism minus - True Buddha+ Weird notion of self as buddha = SGI Doctrine .

You are in. Really bad space Chas - cannot debate religious doctrine with a sick pup like you.
You’d have to read , study MAKE EFFORT. To recover -/. Ahhh the pitiful plight of a hobo 😟

~ Katie

[Chas.]

On Wednesday, November 8, 2017 at 4:51:37 AM UTC-8, Katie Higgins wrote:
> Your four points have been refuted -
>
> First and foremost Shakyamuni Buddha is the Treasure of the Buddha in Nichiren’s doctrine - Nichiren makes this clear in his Major writings .
>
> Evidence has also been presented that shows consensus amongst Buddhist scholars even SGI’’s Hiroshi Kanno— Shakyamuni is the Eternal Buddha -
>
> When you are able to accept and believe this. True doctrine of Nichiren’s practiced of Shakyamuni’s Lotus Sutra , you will embark for the first time on the path of following Nichiren!
>
> Until then , Chas, you are a hobo - confusing snf corrupting what Nichiren himself wrote, taught and lived -/ in truth you would be ashamed of yourself if you hadn’t lost your mind to distorted faith —
>
> , Katie

Nah.

As far as Dr. Kanno and others in the SGI holding his views? We are a big tent, holding much diversity in views with a single practice: (1) daimoku and gongyo to the Gohonzon, (2) shakubuku, activities and member care, and (3) study of the true teachings and the Gosho.

There are many statue-worshiping Nichiren Buddhists who think that Shakyamuni is God Almighty and everyone ought to bow down to him and his images, even while they bow down as well to the Gohonzon and put the lie to their views by chanting the actual eternal name of the entity, "Myoho-Renge" (you, for instance.) And some of those believing that Shakyamuni is the next Great Jehovah and synonymous with the Judeo-Christic-Islamic Yahweh-Elohim/Trinity/Allah are SGI members.

Bless their hearts, they will wise up at some point, and so will you. Until that time at least they are inside the tent and not outside the tent pissing in, like you lot.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

Professor Kanno is establishing a main doctrine straight from Nichiren’s writings - he is not “ expressing a personal view “!

Your view appears to express complacency with expounding doctrine at variance with Nichiren’s authentic writings — . Recall Hiroshi Kanno is affiliated with SGI— not Nichiren Shu 😄

~ Katie

[Chas.]

I don't necessarily agree with everyone under the SGI according to all their views of Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism of the Lotus Sutra, as I said: it's a big umbrella and the topic is difficult. So much expedient means has been employed in the past, that it's simply hard to perceive the truth. However, analysis is my specialty. When I was an undergraduate, I scored in the 90s percentile on all four parts of the GRE, but I scored in the 99th percentile on the analysis part. There is no 100th percentile. I may not be a very nice person, but I have the virtue of being right, once I hack my way through the forest of confused rhetoric that surrounds most of everything.

And this widespread confusion is true in every field of endeavor right now. The particle physics community is going through fits because the insiders in the academy led by Princeton's Institute for Advanced Study, which is led Edward Witten, are 100% totally committed to String Theory (and its children Supergravity, Superstrings, Cosmic Inflation, the Multiverse and other superstitious nonsense) are completely in control of who gets to be appointed to a research position in the top six schools: and all recent experimental work at CERN and elsewhere is murdering their "theories" right and left. It is all hogwash and that can be understood by looking at the community of particle physics outsiders led by Peter Woit of "Not Even Wrong" fame throwing brickbats at them.

So the top academics in every field behaving badly is the new standard, why should Buddhism be any different?

Nevertheless, I will continue to confront you, Katie Higgins, with the inconvenient truth that, once again, my 4 points HAVE NOT BEEN ANSWERED BY YOU. And deflecting with this type of nonsense will not change that fact.

And I think they might not ever be, because there is no viable construct supporting your distortions of Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism of the Lotus Sutra into a dehumanizing deification of Shakyamuni as God Almighty, Creator of Heaven and Earth like Jehovah or as a man-God like Jesus Christ. Statue-worshiping idolatry IS NOT Buddhism, it is an outrageous and insupportable attack on the Lotus Sutra itself.

-> 1: Nichiren Daishonin's own golden words in the Gosho refute your idolatry of Shakyamuni directly ("Myoho-Renge" is "the actual name of the entity", not Shakyamuni or Nichiren Daishonin.)

-> 2: The Lotus Sutra refutes this dehumanizing deification directly (In the past, 15 elder brothers, father and grandfather, and in the future his disciples and even Devadatta: all are great Buddhas just like Shakyamuni.) These are his golden words you deny.

-> 3: The Gohonzon refutes this dehumanizing deification directly (the prominence of "Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo Nichiren" over all other entities, Nichiren being the common mortal who is chanting and raising the banner of Myoho.)

-> 4: Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo refutes this dehumanizing deification directly (we chant neither Nam-Shakyamuni-Butsu, nor Nam-Nichiren-Butsu.) This is what you chant every day, Katie Higgins, even though you deny the truth of it.

You simply need to focus on these points and stop deflecting away from this central point of faith, Katie Higgins.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

So how many views do you figure are operating under your big SGI tent ? More than 2 ? Less than 8?

If you were even making a pretense of following Nichiren, you’d be doing shakubuku in your big SGI hobo tent and not spending your precious time here exposing your sham organization .

~ Katie

[Chas.]

There are a much larger number of views than that in the SGI. It is difficult to have the "mind of Nichiren", because you have to have read most of the Gosho and understood Nichiren's speech, how he communicates with each kind of audience according to their understanding. This requires chanting a lot of daimoku and a serious Kosen Rufu practice, which I presume is your problem. You have to be on the front lines fighting the Buddha's battle to be acting as a Bodhisattva of the Earth. Otherwise distorted views will appear to make sense to you: those have less appeal, when you are actually doing Kosen Rufu.

Deflecting the deflection won't work either, Katie Higgins. You are the one who is busted for a complete inability to address my four points, which you continue to dance around:

However, I will continue to confront you, Katie Higgins, with the inconvenient truth that, once again, my 4 points HAVE NOT BEEN ANSWERED BY YOU. And deflecting with this type of nonsense will not change that fact.

It is possible that these questions might not ever be answered honestly, because there is no viable construct supporting your distortions of Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism of the Lotus Sutra into a dehumanizing deification of Shakyamuni as God Almighty, Creator of Heaven and Earth like Jehovah or as a man-God like Jesus Christ. Statue-worshiping idolatry IS NOT Buddhism, it is an outrageous and insupportable attack on the Lotus Sutra itself.

[1:] Nichiren Daishonin's own golden words in the Gosho refute your idolatry of Shakyamuni directly ("Myoho-Renge" is "the actual name of the entity", not Shakyamuni or Nichiren Daishonin.)

[2:] The Lotus Sutra refutes this dehumanizing deification directly (In the past, 15 elder brothers, father and grandfather, and in the future his disciples and even Devadatta: all are great Buddhas just like Shakyamuni.) These are his golden words you deny.

[3:] The Gohonzon refutes this dehumanizing deification directly (the prominence of "Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo Nichiren" over all other entities, Nichiren being the common mortal who is chanting and raising the banner of Myoho.)

[4:] Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo refutes this dehumanizing deification directly (we chant neither Nam-Shakyamuni-Butsu, nor Nam-Nichiren-Butsu.) This is what you chant every day, Katie Higgins, even though you deny the truth of it.

You simply have to focus on these points and stop deflecting away from this central point of your distorted faith, Katie Higgins.

-Chas.

[daisie...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 8:06:48 PM UTC-7, Mark Rogow wrote:
> https://www.reddit.com/r/sgiwhistleblowers/comments/735sgn/soka_gakkai_malaysia_open_leadership_revolt/

No offense but TOO LIBERAL? You stole a Gohonzon from
a temple which it was given to and it's not an SGI Gohonzon.
You removed the proof that it was made by NST, off the Gohonzon
and then gave it to SGI members after NST told SGI that it could
not continue as a lay organization, and this is too cautious or
too liberal? It's stealing!

You say you follow Nichiren Daishonin but Nichiren Daishonin
stole no one's Gohonzon when he made his own religion. Did he?

If you were not NST, then you were stealing! Plain and simple!
You stole an NST Gohonzon. Why don't you make your own Gohonzon,
an Ikeda Gohonzon, if you think your Buddhism is so much more
correct or best for everyone? I am urging you to slander, but
if you are going to slander anyway, by stealing an Gohonzon
given to NST, why not make your own Ikeda Gohonzon? SGI thinks
it's the proper succession, anyway, so why make an NST Gohonzon
your focus? Are you afraid to test your SGI is infallible theory?

You guys crack me up!

dfd

[Noel]

That's right Daisie their a bunch of lying thieving hypocrites that are on the Hwy to Avichi Hell that love to deflect by pointing the finger at others

"Living easy, living free
Season ticket on a one-way ride
Asking nothing, leave me be
Taking everything in my stride
Don't need reason, don't need rhyme
Ain't nothing I would rather do
Going down, party time
My friends are gonna be there too

I'm on the highway to hell
On the highway to hell
Highway to hell
I'm on the highway to hell

No stop signs, speed limit
Nobody's gonna slow me down
Like a wheel, gonna spin it
Nobody's gonna mess me around
Hey Satan, paid my dues
Playing in a rocking band
Hey mama, look at me
I'm on my way to the promised land, whoo!

I'm on the highway to hell
Highway to hell
I'm on…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l482T0yNkeo

[Chas.]

So now we have the complete lineup in play, NST, Nichiren Shu, Mark Rogow and Katie Higgins and her flying monkeys Noel, Ricky and even Denise Gold on one side and the true followers of Nichiren Daishonin in the SGI on the other side, who are not corrupted by Nichiren Shu treason against Nichiren Daishonin after his death, thievery and statue-worshiping of a falsely deified Shakyamuni as a man-God like Jesus, or God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Jehovah. BTW, this is the Nichiren Shu that propagates Nembutsu now from its temples: that's right, the Nembutsu that Nichiren Daishonin detested with his entire being, here's the evidence:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/stHP9WGrYBg/XXiyF2_2AgAJ

I like this alignment. All of you on the Nembutsu side, opposite the SGI.

Here's the truth about the Nichikan Gohonzon from "The Untold Story of the Fuji School", as opposed to the lies from the mind of Rogow-Nembutsu:

From "The Untold History of the Fuji School," pp. 171-185:
http://sokaspirit.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/15_UHFS_Chapter_15.pdf

... On September 7, 1993, about two months short of the second
... anniversary of its excommunication by the Nichiren Shoshu
... priesthood, the SGI announced its decision to issue the
... Gohonzon to its members worldwide. It was one of the
... defining moments of the SGI’s lay Buddhist movement because
... it signaled the return of the object of devotion from the
... hold of clerical authority to its rightful heirs—ordinary
... people who practice the Daishonin’s Buddhism.
...
... Gohonzon issued by the SGI are reproduced from a Gohonzon
... transcribed by the twenty-sixth high priest, Nichikan, in
... 1720.This so-called Nichikan Gohonzon was in the possession
... of Joen-ji, a temple in Tochigi Prefecture, Japan, whose
... chief priest offered it for the Soka Gakkai’s use. That
... chief priest, Sendo Narita, had previously seceded from
... Taiseki-ji in protest to the high priest’s abusive policy
... toward the SGI. In his June 6, 1993, letter to Soka Gakkai
... President Einosuke Akiya, Chief Priest Narita writes: “The
... existing situation, in which Nikken has unjustly terminated
... the conferral of Gohonzon upon Soka Gakkai members,
... convinced me that the best and most just course—as well as
... the course that, I feel, would win the approval of the
... Daishonin— would be to enable Soka Gakkai members to
... receive Gohonzon based on this Gohonzon.”
...
... On August 23, 1993, the Association for the Reformation of
... Nichiren Shoshu and the Association of Youthful Priests
... Dedicated to the Reformation of Nichiren
... Shoshu—representing about thirty reform priests who had
... seceded from Taiseki-ji—issued a joint resolution
... supporting Narita’s proposal. In it, the reform priests
... stated:“We declare that the Soka Gakkai is qualified in
... every way to confer okatagi Gohonzon based on the Gohonzon
... transcribed by High Priest Nichikan and assert that by so
... doing the Soka Gakkai will fulfill a sacred mission
... consistent with the spirit of Nichiren Daishonin.”With the
... approval of the council and other committees, the Soka
... Gakkai decided to accept Chief Priest Narita’s proposal.
...
... Before this historic decision, conferral of the Gohonzon
... —the basis of the faith and practice of Nichiren
... Daishonin’s Buddhism—was regarded by the priesthood as the
... high priest’s prerogative, and lay believers had been long
... taught to support that view. After the excommunication in
... November 1991, many SGI members had been forced to practice
... without the Gohonzon.The priesthood had taken advantage of
... the situation and used its monopoly of the Gohonzon as
... leverage to entice Gakkai members to secede from their lay
... organization and join a temple parish.
...
... Upon learning of the Gakkai’s decision, the priesthood
... expressed its concern: “[The Soka Gakkai] will begin to
... independently bestow Gohonzons [sic], thus declaring
... complete independence from Nichiren Shoshu.” (NST News,
... Special Issue, p. 2). In the same publication, the
... priesthood also said: “The Soka Gakkai is a group that has
... been excommunicated by Nichiren Shoshu and has absolutely
... no relationship with Nichiren Shoshu” (ibid., p. 1). Those
... seemingly contradictory statements—declaring that the
... Gakkai had initiated independence, then that the
... priesthood’s prior excommunication had severed the
... relationship —demonstrate the complex anxiety the
... priesthood felt toward its former believers. The priests
... wished that even after being excommunicated, lay believers
... would still feel dependent upon their clerical
... authority.They knew that their continued prosperity may
... depend on the return of its former believers. And this
... dependence upon its excommunicated laity, whom it despises,
... has been a source of mixed feelings.
...
... Nikken’s action to deny Gohonzon to the Soka Gakkai— the
... sole organization consistently dedicated to propagation
... this century—clearly runs counter to the Daishonin’s intent
... in inscribing the Gohonzon, which he described as “the
... banner of propagation of the Lotus Sutra” (WND, 831).
...
... Because of these circumstances—and based on its sense of
... responsibility as a harmoniously united order (samgha) of
... the Daishonin’s Buddhism—the SGI decided to make Gohonzon
... available to its worldwide membership. It was a decision
... made solely to preserve the integrity of the Daishonin’s
... Buddhism by replying to the sincerity of those seeking the
... Gohonzon and, thereby, further promoting the spread of the
... teaching.
...
... Since the SGI announced its intent to confer Gohonzon, the
... priesthood has been denouncing this Gohonzon as counterfeit
... for three main reasons: 1) “It does not receive the
... sanction of the High Priest”; 2) “It is not bestowed by the
... Head Temple”; and 3) “It is arbitrarily manufactured by the
... Gakkai” (Refuting the Soka Gakkai’s “Counterfeit Object of
... Worship”: 100 Questions and Answers, compiled by the
... Nichiren Shoshu Doctrinal Research Committee. Nichiren
... Shoshu Temple, 1996, p. 12).
...
... The priesthood maintains that Gohonzon issued without the
... high priest’s eye-opening ceremony is counterfeit (NST
... News, Special Issue, p. 9). According to the priesthood,
... however, the practical meaning of the eye-opening ceremony
... apparently is not that the high priest must infuse his
... presumed spiritual power, which he claims to have inherited
... from the Daishonin, into every Gohonzon issued by the head
... temple. Rather, the eye-opening ceremony seems to mean
... being sanctioned. As the priesthood states: “Up to now, the
... Gohonzons [sic] granted to believers at the branch temples
... have all been sanctioned by the High Priest, that is, their
... eyes have been opened” (Refuting the Soka Gakkai’s
... “Counterfeit Object of Worship”: 100 Questions and Answers,
... p. 37). And: “In Nichiren Shoshu from the ancient past, the
... High Priest’s sanction was essential for everything related
... to the Gohonzon. The arbitrary copying of the Gohonzon and
... the conferral of the copies by the Gakkai today are
... unpardonable acts” (ibid., p. 39). All their arguments
... against the Nichikan Gohonzon boil down to one point:They
... are counterfeit because the high priest did not authorize
... them.
...
... The term arbitrary in the temple’s usage can only be
... interpreted to mean “in a way not according with the high
... priest’s intention,” which was essentially to punish those
... affiliated with the Gakkai by depriving them of the
... Gohonzon. However, it is the high priest’s sudden denial of
... the Gohonzon to those seeking it that better fits the
... definition of an arbitrary act.
...
... Regarding the reproduction and conferral of the Gohonzon,
... the priesthood maintains: “The only person who is able to
... transcribe the innermost enlightenment of the Dai-Gohonzon
... of the High Sanctuary is the High Priest who received the
... bestowal of the lifeblood to only a single person from the
... Daishonin.... During the seven-hundred-year history of
... Nichiren Shoshu, priests other than the High Priest, even
... if they were of eminent virtue, erudite or experts at
... calligraphy, have never transcribed the Gohonzon. However,
... there are instances where a retired High Priest transcribed
... the Gohonzon after being commissioned to do so by the
... current High Priest” (Refuting the Soka Gakkai’s
... “Counterfeit Object of Worship”: 100 Questions and Answers,
... pp. 29‒30). In a nutshell, the priesthood asserts that
... unless Gohonzon are transcribed by the high priest and
... their printing sanctioned by him, they are not legitimate
... and constitute a grave doctrinal error.
...
... The history of the Fuji School, however, contradicts this.
... There are numerous recorded instances in which priests
... other than the high priests transcribed Gohonzon since the
... earliest period of the Fuji School. According to the
... priesthood, those transcriptions of Gohonzon would be
... “unpardonable acts” since no one but the high priest can
... transcribe Gohonzon. Despite numerous records of such
... instances, however, there is no evidence of protest from
... anyone in the Fuji School, including the successive high
... priests. Its own history suggests, therefore, that the
... priesthood’s assertions lack substance.
...
... In February 1332, when Nikko and Nichimoku were still
... alive, Nissen, one of Nikko’s six main disciples,
... transcribed a Gohonzon and conferred it to one of his
... parishioners (Essential Writings of the Fuji School, vol.
... 8, p. 214). There is no record of either Nikko or Nichimoku
... opposing Nissen’s transcription.
...
... According to a document written in 1340 and attributed to
... Nichizon, one of Nikko’s disciples, Nikko instructed that
... in the Fuji School, only one designated disciple should
... transcribe Gohonzon in order to keep the “lantern of the
... Law” lit —to keep the Gohonzon available to believers
... (Complete Works of the Nichiren School, vol. 2, p. 418).
... The same document records that, after the Daishonin’s
... death, his six senior disciples started to transcribe
... Gohonzon, and there was no dispute among them about their
... right to produce transcriptions (ibid.). From those
... records, it may be surmised that Nikko made it a general
... rule that only one designated priest is to transcribe
... Gohonzon to maintain the order of the school.
...
... For this reason, it was permissible for Nissen, who resided
... in the distant province of Sanuki, to transcribe a Gohonzon
... for one of his parishioners.There was no mention of any
... mysterious or exclusive power possessed by a high priest
... that would inject the Daishonin’s soul into a transcribed
... Gohonzon. Other records further confirm this point.
...
... During the late fourteenth century, after the deaths of the
... second high priest Nikko Shonin and the third high priest
... Nichimoku in 1333, Taiseki-ji priests other than the high
... priest transcribed many Gohonzon (Essential Writings of the
... Fuji School, vol. 8). For example, Nissen transcribed two
... Gohonzon in 1337 and one in 1338. Nichigo, one of Nikko’s
... six new disciples at Omosu Seminary, transcribed two in
... 1344, two in 1345 and one in 1350. (The dates of two
... additional Gohonzon transcribed by Nichigo are unknown.) In
... 1340, Nichizon had a wooden Gohonzon made from a Gohonzon
... inscribed by Nichimoku. Nichimyo, one of Nikko’s six
... disciples at Omosu Seminary, transcribed one in 1344.
... Nichiman, Nikko’s disciple on Sado Island, transcribed one
... in 1352 and another in 1357. Nichidai, one of Nikko’s six
... new disciples at Omosu Seminary, transcribed one in 1388.
... While those Gohonzon were transcribed by priests other than
... the high priest during the tenures of the fourth high
... priest Nichido (1333‒39), the fifth high priest Nichigyo
... (1339‒65) and the sixth high priest Nichiji (1365‒1406),
... none of those high priests left any record of denouncing
... those transcriptions as unorthodox. It is especially
... noteworthy that Nichigyo never accused Nichigo, his
... adversary in a bitter land dispute over Taiseki-ji, of
... transcribing Gohonzon in an unauthorized manner and thus
... violating the high priest’s alleged prerogative.
...
... In other words, during the early days of the Fuji School
... after Nikko Shonin established Taiseki-ji and appointed
... Nichimoku as his successor in 1290, the priesthood intended
... to limit the transcription of the Gohonzon to one
... designated person for the orderly management of the Fuji
... School. However, it did not consider transcription of the
... Gohonzon by a priest other than the high priest to be a
... grave doctrinal error. For this reason, Nichiu, the ninth
... high priest, allowed branch temple chief priests to
... transcribe the Gohonzon. He states in “On Formalities”:
... “Those at branch temples who have disciples and lay patrons
... may transcribe the amulet [i.e., the Gohonzon]. However,
... they should not place their seals on it.... Those at branch
... temples who have disciples and lay patrons may transcribe
... the mandala [i.e., the Gohonzon] yet may not place their
... seal on it” (Essential Writings of the Fuji School, vol. 1,
... p. 71).
...
... Those Gohonzon transcribed by chief priests at the branch
... temples and without the transcriber’s written seal were
... considered temporary, conferred before believers received
... one transcribed by the high priest. By allowing chief
... priests to transcribe the Gohonzon, yet asking them not to
... affix their personal seals, Nichiu tried to accomplish two
... things: meeting the needs of believers who could not
... otherwise receive Gohonzon while maintaining order within
... the school regarding the transcription of the Gohonzon.
... Since Gohonzon transcribed by chief priests were considered
... temporary and usually without transcription date or name of
... a transcriber, not many of them survive today. Nonetheless,
... there are enough recorded instances to verify the Fuji
... School’s practice of transcribing Gohonzon by priests other
... than the high priest. For example, according to Jundo
... Nose’s Miscellaneous Records (Jpn Shokiroku), Nissho, a
... chief priest of a lodging temple on the head temple
... grounds, transcribed a Gohonzon for the parish of a Shinto
... shrine near the head temple in 1823 (vol. 7, p. 355). When
... Nissho transcribed this Gohonzon, the forty-ninth high
... priest Nisso and the retired forty-eighth high priest
... Nichiryo were residing at Taiseki-ji, so there was no
... immediate need for Nissho to transcribe a Gohonzon on
... behalf of the high priest. Nissho was a veteran priest at
... Taiseki-ji who served eight high priests, and he probably
... simply responded to a request from his local parish.
...
... In 1860, Nichigen, a disciple of Nissho, also transcribed a
... Gohonzon for one of his parishioners (Miscellaneous
... Records, vol. 7, p. 242). The dates and the transcriber’s
... name for this Gohonzon appear on the back probably because
... it was customary that only the high priest place his seal
... on the Gohonzon. Both Nissho and his disciple Nichigen were
... high-ranking priests at Taiseki-ji but did not become high
... priests. Nevertheless, they still transcribed Gohonzon and
... conferred them on their parishioners.
...
... There are also records of Gohonzon whose transcribers are
... unknown. Since the high priest customarily placed his seal
... on Gohonzon he transcribed, it is certain that someone
... other than a high priest transcribed these Gohonzon. In
... 1760, during the tenure of the thirty-third high priest
... Nichigen, someone other than the high priest transcribed a
... Gohonzon dedicated to a Shinto deity and kept it at
... Honjo-ji, a branch temple of Taiseki-ji (Miscellaneous
... Records , vol. 7, p. 226).
...
... As a side note, during the eighteenth century, many
... Gohonzon were transcribed for Shinto shrines near
... Taiseki-ji and its other branch temples, supposedly to call
... forth the power of Shinto deities dwelling there. Often
... these Gohonzon, many of which were transcribed by high
... priests, were requested by lay parishioners for a Shinto
... shrine in their home village. Such parishioners rarely
... understood the tenets of the Daishonin’s Buddhism
... concerning the Gohonzon, and mixed their practice of
... Shintoism with other forms of Buddhism. The priests who
... transcribed Gohonzon for this purpose must surely have
... known this and that it violated the guidelines set down by
... Nikko Shonin, the founder of the Fuji School. One such
... Gohonzon, for example, bears the inscription, “Bestowed to
... summon forth the body of the god of the Tenman Shrine.”
... Nevertheless, the doctrinal legitimacy of these “Shinto
... Shrine” Gohonzon was never questioned.
...
... There were two Taiseki-ji priests who became chief priests
... of Myoren-ji, a prominent old temple near Taiseki-ji, who
... transcribed Gohonzon. On March 1, 1707, Nichiju became the
... twenty-fourth chief priest of Myoren-ji. From that time
... until 1727, when he left his position at Myoren-ji, he
... continued to transcribe Gohonzon for his parishioners and
... the chief priests of branch temples that belonged to
... Myorenji. (Myoren-ji and its branch temples joined Nichiren
... Shoshu, under the head temple Taiseki-ji, in 1950. Before
... that, it was regarded as one of the eight head temples of
... the Fuji School that maintained its own branch
... temples.Taisekiji was also one of these eight.)
...
... According to one source, Nichiju transcribed eleven
... Gohonzon while he was chief priest of Myoren-ji (Ideas of
... the Fuji School [Jpn Fuji Monryu Shiko], ed. Mitsuaki
... Osawa; no. 4, p. 9). During this time, Nichiei
... (twenty-fourth), Nichiyu (twenty-fifth), Nichikan
... (twenty-sixth), Nichiyo (twenty-seventh) and Nissho
... (twenty-eighth) became high priests successively at
... Taiseki-ji, but none of them criticized Nichiju for
... transcribing Gohonzon. Neither was Nichiju excommunicated
... by his teacher, Nichiei. Even after he went to Myoren-ji,
... Nichiju maintained friendly ties with Taiseki-ji.
...
... In 1727, when he retired, Nichiju appointed Nichiho as
... chief priest of Myoren-ji. Between 1727 and 1732, Nichiho
... transcribed Gohonzon for his parishioners. Three of them
... were recorded (Ideas of the Fuji School, no. 4, p. 10).
... After he left Myoren-ji, he returned to Taiseki-ji, and in
... 1736, the twenty-ninth high priest, Nitto, transferred the
... lineage of high priest to Nichiho, who then renamed himself
... Nitchu. There is no record of Nitchu being criticized for
... having transcribed Gohonzon before he received the lineage.
...
... Nichiju and Nitchu demonstrate the Taiseki-ji priesthood’s
... view that the transcription and conferral of the Gohonzon
... is an administrative responsibility of priests. Myoren-ji,
... as a head temple, had to meet the needs of its own parish
... and branch temples.
...
... The nineteenth high priest, Nisshun, and the twentysecond
... high priest, Nisshun (same pronunciation, but written with
... different Chinese characters), also transcribed Gohonzon
... before they assumed the post of high priest.The nineteenth
... high priest became the chief priest of Taiseki-ji in the
... summer of 1641 without receiving the lineage of high priest
... from his predecessor, the seventeenth high priest, Nissei.
... Nissei had fallen out of favor with Kyodai-in, an
... influential lay patron, who maneuvered him out of office
... (see chapter 4 for more information). With strong backing
... from Kyodai-in, Nisshun was selected as Nissei’s successor
... (The Sacred Scriptures of Nichiren Shoshu [Jpn Nichiren
... Shoshu Seiten], p. 763). (Editor’s note: Kyodai-in was an
... adopted daughter of Tokugawa Ieyasu, the founder of the Edo
... shogunate government.)
...
... For approximately four years, though out of office, Nissei
... refused to transfer the lineage. Until he finally received
... the lineage of high priest on October 27, 1645, Nisshun
... carried out various responsibilities—including the
... transcription and conferral of Gohonzon—as chief priest of
... Taiseki-ji but not as high priest of the school.There are
... two records of Gohonzon transcribed by Nisshun before he
... received the lineage of high priest. He transcribed one on
... January 8, 1645, and another on February 28 of the same
... year—approximately ten and eight months, respectively,
... before he received the lineage (Miscellaneous Records, vol.
... 2, p. 101; vol. 3, p. 104).
...
... The twenty-second high priest, Nisshun, received the
... lineage of high priest from the twenty-first high priest,
... Nichinin, in 1680 (The Chronology of Nichiren Shoshu and
... the Fuji School [Jpn Nichiren Shoshu Fuji Nenpyo], p. 257).
... In 1676, four years earlier, however, Nisshun transcribed a
... Gohonzon for the parish of Shinko-ji in the Chiba area
... (Miscellaneous Records, vol. 7, p. 254). It is not certain
... where Nisshun was at that time, but he was not high priest
... of Taiseki-ji. Nisshun was the first Taiseki-ji priest who
... became a teacher at the Hosokusa Seminary in Chiba.
... Probably because of his reputation as an erudite priest,
... the parish of Shinko-ji near the seminary might have asked
... Nisshun to transcribe a Gohonzon.
...
... In addition to the Gohonzon transcribed by persons other
... than the high priest, the school’s history also reveals
... numerous records of ordinary priests reproducing the
... Daishonin’s original Gohonzon as well as Gohonzon
... transcribed by some prominent high priests such as Nikko
... and Nichikan. In the process of reproduction, a priest
... would place the original beside the new reproduction and
... copy it as closely as possible. Or the image would be
... traced on thin paper placed atop the original. An artisan
... would then use the copies made in this manner to carve a
... wooden Gohonzon, or a wood block template, from which
... further reproductions would be printed.
...
... In February 1836, for example, Nikki, the chief priest of
... Butsugen-ji in Sendai, copied a Gohonzon that Nikko had
... transcribed in 1303 and had a wooden Gohonzon made from the
... copy. He then removed a Gohonzon transcribed by the
... thirty-seventh high priest from the temple altar and
... enshrined this wooden Gohonzon in its place (Miscellaneous
... Records, vol. 8, p. 215).While he described the process in
... writing on the back of the wooden Gohonzon, Nikki did not
... mention anything about receiving sanction from the high
... priest at Taiseki-ji to reproduce Nikko’s Gohonzon or
... whether the high priest conducted an eye-opening ceremony
... on it. (At that time, the fiftieth high priest, Nichijo,
... and the retired forty-eighth high priest, Nichiryo, were
... present at Taiseki-ji.)
...
... According to Miscellaneous Records, while some wooden
... Gohonzon carry the high priest’s signature, many others
... bear no such inscription or record. Furthermore, there is
... only one wooden Gohonzon in existence that bears a record
... of a high priest having performed an eye-opening ceremony
... upon it. This wooden Gohonzon was made after a Gohonzon
... transcribed by Nikko in 1306 (Miscellaneous Records, vol.
... 15, p. 445). Furthermore, in Miscellaneous Records and
... other documents, there are many records of Gohonzon
... reproduced through wood block printing whose templates were
... produced by those other than the high priests.These include
... Gohonzon reproduced from the Gohonzon inscribed by the
... Daishonin in 1282 and kept at Kyodai-ji in Tokushima
... Prefecture and widely distributed throughout Japan;
... Gohonzon reproduced from the Gohonzon transcribed by Nikko
... Shonin in March 1306 and kept at Honko-ji in Shizuoka
... Prefecture and other temples; and Gohonzon reproduced from
... the Gohonzon transcribed by Nichikan in 1718 and widely
... distributed during the late nineteenth century and the
... early twentieth century.
...
... The same 1718 Gohonzon by Nichikan was also conferred upon
... Gakkai members after World War II. None of these okatagi
... Gohonzon bear the high priest’s signature, indicating that
... their templates were transcribed by someone other than a
... high priest. Those numerous records indicate clearly that
... the high priest’s sanction or eye-opening ceremony was not
... a necessary condition for the reproduction of Gohonzon.
...
... Some high priests of modern times have claimed that the
... lineage of high priest is an absolutely necessary condition
... for the transcription of the Gohonzon. For example,
... fifty-sixth high priest Nichio (1848‒1922), states: “Unless
... one receives the bequeathal of the golden utterance to the
... direct successor, one can never transcribe the object of
... worship” (Dispelling Illusion and Observing One’s Mind [Jpn
... Bennaku Kanjin Sho], p. 212, as translated in Refuting the
... Soka Gakkai’s “Counterfeit Object of Worship”: 100
... Questions and Answers, p. 29). Nichio’s claim is either an
... indication of his ignorance of the school’s history or a
... blatant attempt to revise the tradition for the sake of
... aggrandizing the high priest’s authority. In light of the
... recorded history of the Fuji School, the high priest’s
... prerogative over the transcription and conferral of the
... Gohonzon is merely an administrative device to maintain the
... orderly relationship between Taiseki-ji and its branch
... temples and thereby prevent internal schism. It was never
... meant as a doctrinal or metaphysical necessity. For this
... reason, there are abundant records of Gohonzon transcribed
... by priests without the lineage of high priest.
...
... The current priesthood’s claims against the Gohonzon issued
... by the SGI clearly contradict the precedents set down in
... the Fuji School’s own history. Furthermore, the
... transcription from which this Gohonzon is derived was made
... by Nichikan, the twenty-sixth high priest recognized by
... both the priesthood and the Soka Gakkai as the “restorer of
... the Fuji School.” (For more discussions regarding the
... reproduction of the Gohonzon and its history, please refer
... to “A Historical Perspective on the Transcription of the
... Gohonzon” and “The Recent History of the Conferral of the
... Gohonzon” in Reaffirming Our Right to Happiness: On the
... Gohonzon Transcribed by High Priest Nichikan, published by
... the SGI-USA in 1996.)
...
... When the priesthood excommunicated it in 1991, the SGI was
... liberated from the priesthood’s authoritarianism in several
... important areas. The SGI’s decision to issue Gohonzon to
... its worldwide membership in 1993 freed the lay Buddhist
... movement from myths promulgated by the priesthood that had
... long shrouded the significance of the Gohonzon.
...
... Before this epochal decision, the priesthood deliberately
... led lay believers to think that they must leave matters
... concerning the Gohonzon—especially its transcription,
... printing and conferral—to the priesthood because they
... involve a level of mysticism beyond the grasp of ordinary
... practitioners.The priesthood’s attitude toward the Gohonzon
... also promoted the tendency to view the Gohonzon as an
... external entity endowed with mysterious powers that control
... the lives of believers.
...
... The SGI’s conferral of Gohonzon, however, has helped to
... clarify correct faith in the Gohonzon. It is no longer a
... magical object, the understanding of which is veiled by an
... alleged mysterious and exclusive heritage of an elite
... individual —the high priest. Meanwhile, the truly “mystic”
... quality of the Gohonzon has been made clear: that is, its
... power to call forth, in response to the believer’s powers
... of faith and practice, the “Gohonzon”—the enlightened
... life-state of Buddhahood equal to that of the
... Daishonin—from within each believer’s life. As the
... Daishonin states: “Never seek this Gohonzon outside
... yourself.... This Gohonzon also is found only in the two
... characters for faith” (WND, 832). Put another way, from the
... viewpoint of SGI members, the Gohonzon has ceased to be an
... object of spiritual dependency and has become the genuine
... object of their religious devotion and practice as intended
... by the Daishonin—a mirror to reflect their own inner
... enlightenment.
...
... * The section on the history of the transcription of the
... Gohonzon in this installment is partly based on Mikio
... Matsuoka’s pamphlet "A Historical Perspective on the
... Transcription of the Gohonzon in the Taiseki-ji School"
... (Jpn Taiseki-ji monryu no honzon shoshaken ni kansuru
... shiteki kosatsu), published by the Institute of Oriental
... Philosophy in 1997.

Enough said.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

Considering your poor showing here with regard to basic knowledge of Buddhism in general and Nichiren’s teachings specifically , it is astounding that Chas has the gall to claim - anything pertaining to Nichiren.

All evidence points to SGI as WORST of the heretical Nichiren sects- and poster boy Chas has done more to establish the low ranking of SGIKEDA than anyone 😄

~ Katie

[Chas.]

Katie Higgins Cannot Deflect Her Way Out Of Being Refuted By Shakyamuni, Nichiren Daishonin, the Gohonzon and the Daimoku +

What is perpetually on-topic is your inability to focus on answering these 4 points, which you continue to dance around:

In spite of your various evasions, I will continue to confront you, Katie Higgins, with the inconvenient truth that, once again, my 4 points HAVE NOT BEEN ANSWERED BY YOU. And deflecting with this type of nonsense will not change that fact.

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/Q-0eZk5t90k/igLMrVI_AgAJ

It is likely that these questions might not ever be answered honestly, because there is no viable construct supporting your distortions of Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism of the Lotus Sutra into a dehumanizing deification of Shakyamuni as God Almighty, Creator of Heaven and Earth like Jehovah or as a man-God like Jesus Christ. Statue-worshiping idolatry IS NOT Buddhism, it is an outrageous and insupportable attack on the Lotus Sutra itself.

[-1-] Nichiren Daishonin's own golden words in the Gosho refute your idolatry of Shakyamuni directly ("Myoho-Renge" is "the actual name of the entity", not Shakyamuni or Nichiren Daishonin.)

[-2-] The Lotus Sutra refutes this dehumanizing deification directly (In the past, 15 elder brothers, father and grandfather, and in the future his disciples and even Devadatta: all are great Buddhas just like Shakyamuni.) These are his golden words you deny.

[-3-] The Gohonzon refutes this dehumanizing deification directly (the prominence of "Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo Nichiren" over all other entities, Nichiren being the common mortal who is chanting and raising the banner of Myoho.)

[-4-] Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo refutes this dehumanizing deification directly (we chant neither Nam-Shakyamuni-Butsu, nor Nam-Nichiren-Butsu.) This is what you chant every day, Katie Higgins, even though you deny the truth of it.

Katie must simply focus on these points and stop deflecting away from this central point of her distortion in faith.

-Chas.

[Chas.]

[Katie Higgins]

HERE , HERE 👏‼️

[Chas.]

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 1:49:31 AM UTC-8, Katie Higgins wrote:
> Nichiren specifically refers to “ Shakyamuni of the Life Span chapter”— I realize it is difficult to believe and difficult to understand , but the Eternal Buddha did manifest in human body, and preached for 40 years before “ revealing the truth “- A major truth is revealed in the Life Span chapter of the Lotus Sutra, where Shakyamuni talks about himself. All the years you recited the Juryo chapter doing Gongyo , I bet you weren’t even curious about what you were saying - now you “preach” discarding recitation of Gongyo !

[snip]

> ~ Katie

You don't even listen to yourself!

“Shakyamuni OF THE LIFE SPAN CHAPTER” is not the Shakyamuni of any other time in his life. When anyone recites the Lotus Sutra they manifest their true humanity, whose eternal name is not “Shakyamuni of the Life Span chapter”, but instead "Myoho-Renge", which is why we chant Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo and not Nam-Shakyamuni-Butsu.

Before Shakyamuni there was a "Great Universal Wisdom Excellence of the Life Span Chapter", and concurrent with him there are his brothers "Akshobhya of the Life Span Chapter", "Sumeru Peak of the Life Span Chapter", etc. and later a "Heavenly King of the Life Span Chapter," previously known as Devadatta.

That is, unless you believe that when Shakyamuni talks about all of these other Buddhas, either he is lying, or that he would be referring to another teaching entirely from the Lotus Sutra and the Life Span Chapter when he talks about them "preaching the Law"?

The Parable of the Phantom City, LS-7, pp 156-157:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Content/7#para-35

. "Now, monks, the buddha Great Universal Wisdom Excellence
. passed ten small kalpas before the Law of the buddhas
. finally appeared before him and he attained supreme
. perfect enlightenment. Before this buddha left the
. householder's life, he had sixteen sons, the first of whom
. was named Wisdom Accumulated. These sons each had various
. kinds of rare objects and toys of one kind or another, but
. when they heard that their father had attained supreme
. perfect enlightenment, they all threw aside their rare
. objects and went to where the buddha was. Their mothers,
. weeping, followed after them.
.
. "Their grandfather, who was a wheel-turning sage king,
. along with a hundred chief ministers, as well as a
. hundred, thousand, ten thousand, million of his subjects,
. all together surrounded the sons and followed them to the
. place of enlightenment, all wishing to draw close to the
. thus come one Great Universal Wisdom Excellence, to offer
. alms, pay honor, venerate, and praise him. When they
. arrived, they bowed before his feet, touching their heads
. to the ground.

Shakyamuni and his fifteen older brothers all preached in different Buddha lands:

From the Lotus Sutra, Chapter 7, "Parable of the Phantom City", pp.172-173:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Content/7#para-282

. “You monks, I will now tell you this. These disciples of
. the buddha, these sixteen shramaneras, have now all
. attained supreme perfect enlightenment. In the lands in the
. ten directions they are at present preaching the Law, with
. immeasurable hundreds, thousands, ten thousands, millions
. of bodhisattvas and voice-hearers for their retinues. Two
. of these shramaneras have become buddhas in the eastern
. region. One is named Akshobhya and lives in the Land of
. Joy. The other is named Sumeru Peak. Two are buddhas in the
. southeastern region, one named Lion Voice, the other named
. Lion Appearance. Two are buddhas in the southern region,
. one named Void-Dwelling, the other named Ever Extinguished.
. Two are buddhas in the southwestern region, one named
. Emperor Appearance, the other named Brahma Appearance. Two
. are buddhas in the western region, one named Amitayus, the
. other named Saving All from Worldly Suffering. Two are
. buddhas in the northwestern region, one named Tamala Leaf
. Sandalwood Fragrance Transcendental Power, the other named
. Sumeru Appearance. Two are buddhas in the northern region,
. one named Cloud Freedom, the other named Cloud Freedom
. King. Of the buddhas of the northeastern region, one is
. named Destroying All Worldly Fears. THE SIXTEENTH IS I,
. SHAKYAMUNI BUDDHA, WHO IN THIS SAHA LAND HAVE ATTAINED
. SUPREME PERFECT ENLIGHTENMENT.

And here is Devadatta in the future.

From the Lotus Sutra, Chapter 12, "Devadatta", pp.223-224:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Content/12#para-35

. Then the Buddha said to the four kinds of believers:
. “Devadatta, after immeasurable kalpas have passed, will
. attain buddhahood. He will be called Heavenly King Thus
. Come One, worthy of offerings, of right and universal
. knowledge, perfect clarity and conduct, well gone,
. understanding the world, unexcelled worthy, trainer of
. people, teacher of heavenly and human beings, buddha,
. world-honored one. His world will be called Heavenly Way,
. and at that time Heavenly King Buddha will abide in the
. world for twenty medium kalpas, broadly preaching the
. wonderful Law for the sake of living beings. Living beings
. numerous as Ganges sands will attain the fruit of
. arhatship. Immeasurable numbers of living beings will
. conceive the desire to become cause-awakened ones, living
. beings numerous as Ganges sands will conceive a desire for
. the unsurpassed way, will gain the truth of birthlessness,
. and will never regress. After Heavenly King Buddha enters
. parinirvana, his Correct Law will endure in the world for
. twenty medium kalpas. The relics from his whole body will
. be housed in a tower built of the seven treasures, sixty
. yojanas in height and forty yojanas in width and depth. All
. the heavenly and human beings will take assorted flowers,
. powdered incense, incense for burning, paste incense,
. clothing, necklaces, p.224streamers and banners, jeweled
. canopies, music and songs of praise and offer them with
. obeisance to the wonderful seven-jeweled tower.
. Immeasurable numbers of living beings will attain the
. fruits of arhatship, numberless living beings will become
. enlightened as pratyekabuddhas, and unimaginable numbers of
. living beings will conceive a desire for enlightenment and
. will reach the level of no regression.”

So, Katie, is Shakyamuni lying or not? Or is Nichiren Daishonin correct when he says that they are all (and we are all) "Myoho-Renge", which is "the actual name of the entity" ?

You see, I believe that he preached those passages in the Lotus Sutra specifically to defy those such as yourself that would seek to deify him later, by putting himself in context with other great Buddhas preaching the Law elsewhere.

These passages were preached SPECIFICALLY TO REFUTE STATUE-WORSHIPING DISTORTERS OF BUDDHISM SUCH AS YOU, MARK ROGOW AND THE TRAITOROUS PRIESTS OF NICHIREN SHU.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

Homework assignment for Chas :

Read page 248 in the Gosho zenshu (kanjin honzon sho)
There you will find the difference between the Shaka in india and the eternal Buddha. .

~ Katie

[Chas.]

Spit it out, Katie. I don't do your homework, make a quote.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

Sorry ? Are you saying you cannot read Nichiren’s own words for yourself ? The time has come for you to make don’t effort , Chas:

READ page 248 in the Gosho zenshu (kanjin honzon sho)
Nichiren defines difference between the Shaka in India and the eternal Buddha .

Here’s some guidance from Nichiren for your wrong headed Ikeda cult followers to chew on as they celebrate themselves today 🥂

“ How long does a lifetime last? If one stops to consider , it is like a single night’s lodging at a wayside inn. Should one forget that fact and seek some measure of worldly fame and profit ? Though you may gain then , they will be mere prosperity in a dream , a delight scarcely to be prized. You would do better to simply leave such matters to the karma formed in your previous existences.” -Nichiren

We can readily appreciate how un- Buddhist you and your sham organization are by noting your focus on attaining what has the least value, in terms of Buddhism -/ You could make a new start today and spend your precious time reading your homework assignment - seeking the true teachings .

~Katie

[Chas.]

Your ad hominem flak shoved to the side.

Katie, you have not addressed the Buddha's sharply directed family history at those who would deify him above all others. It is clear that he states that there are others doing exactly as he does, which means he is not the one great Buddha alone.

Is he lying or being straight with us, Katie? I think he never, ever lies.

Here's your chance to sign up with those who believe that.

If you believe that the Buddha is not lying, then there are other great Buddhas JUST LIKE HIM. And that opens the door to each of us being emanations of each of us. All of us great Buddhas. Common mortals as the true Buddha.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

LOL 😄

Look at how the bully tries to cover his negligence in study -

All bullies are cowards , Chas - you refuse to study Nichiren’s teachings / you are slandering Nichiren.

I pity you 😓

~ -~Katie

[Noel]

You're full of ad hominem Katie. Can you please refrain or because there is no one to officially moderate you like on Eagle peak that you were nearly thrown off not long after you first appeared when you started insulting Marks friend the Priest Shinkei (Jerry) that you can come here unrestrained to be rude and insulting to other believers

We are like Nichiren not precept carrying Monks (except for the precept of faith practice and study of Nam[u] Myoho Renge Kyo) but unlike Nichiren we are unable to keep all precepts but we try to do our best sometimes so please have some respect for others which will help you respect yourself and then others will respect you

[Katie Higgins]

I am not lacking respect from others - who themselves are respect worthy.

Sorry you didn’t get your wish that I be moderated off Eagle Peak — I acknowledged my error due solely to Mark adhering strictly to Nichiren’s teachings , which we both agree is the standard—- not “ personal bias”, which is your signature approach to everything !

You aren’t seeking the correct , True teachings of Nichiren - and I have called you out many times for your selective adherence to disputed writings - you just want to flex your own superiority, which I find deplorable .
Ask your wife to read page 248 in the Gosho zenshu (kanjin honzon sho)
Its defines the difference between the shaka in india and the eternal buddha.

Or continue acting like a hobo — whatever 🙄

~ Katie

[Chas.]

On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 3:57:44 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
> On Sunday, November 19, 2017 at 9:11:22 AM UTC+10, Katie Higgins wrote:
> > Maybe you have Napoleon complex ? Bullies are always trying to compensate for what they lack -
> >
> > You lack the motivation to study Nichiren directly - just one of the 14 slanders.
> >
> > I pity you .
> >
> > ~ Katie
>
> Can you please be honest for a change Katie and read the Buddhas family history?

I actually believe that her demons will not allow it in this lifetime, she literally cannot focus her mind on that issue. She cannot read those lines, that part of the posting and the Lotus Sutra appear blank. Tragic, really.

-Chas.

[Noel]

She doesn't want to know about it because it is too painful for the dum demons that are controlling her to confront

[Noel]

Demons are evil Karma that activate fundamental darkness

[Chas.]

On Sunday, November 19, 2017 at 1:54:02 AM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
> Demons are evil Karma that activate fundamental darkness

More like evil karma, through slander of the Law, will walk your karma into your life on little slander feet, that activates the demons, which are always part of you and on your Gohonzon. Some of the Buddhist gods convert back and forth to demons as well (Dai Myojo-tenno)

Do a local search for "demon", "yaksha", "rakshasa" on the SGI Gohonzon diagram page:

http://www.sgi-usa.org/study-resources/core-concepts/the-gohonzon/diagram-of-the-gohonzon/

This is why Nichiren Daishonin cautions his followers against slander of the Law, because you can head your karma off at the pass by rooting slander of the Law out of your life, so to speak. However, the devilish function is sneaky and will bring you complicity in the craziest ways. Like my incessant warnings to you all associated with Nichiren Shu: you are undermining your lives and digging a deep pit underneath your feet.

Nikkyo Suzuki, the 62nd High Priest, who betrayed Mr. Toda and Mr. Makiguchi into prison and death found out about this the hard way, in the most literal sense.

He chose a fiery death not just for himself, but for countless Shinto-complicit soldiers, sailors and civilians during the Pacific War. If he had stood up to Imperial Way Buddhism of the Shinto talisman, which was backing the Imperial State Zen War Machine, things could have turned out differently, who knows?

Maybe the atomic bomb would not have been dropped? It was already far along the track of development by then, but Nichiren Shu and Nichiren Shoshu were already way down near the end of their slandering path as well ... so he was the 62nd High Priest, because he was the cowardly bastard that he was anyway.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

Your poor wife - maybe it’s her affiliations she needs to look at?

~ Katie

[Noel]

I've seen your photo and know your mind

My wife is beautiful in mind and body which makes me fortunate compared to your poor husband

[Chas.]

You guys should leave significant others off the table.

-Chas.

[daisie...@gmail.com]

On Monday, November 20, 2017 at 1:08:30 AM UTC-8, Chas. wrote:
> You guys should leave significant others off the table.
>
> -Chas.

Can't we all get along without all the BASHING????

SGI said that they are no longer following Nichiren
Daishonin. So, that may be why they don't follow
Nichiren Daishonin anymore.

It makes a big difference because when you chant to an NST
inscribed Gohonzon (WITH an inscription and NOT stolen) and
that you believe in the people teaching you, as well as believing
in Nichiren Daishonin and what he said!

dfd

[Noel]

On Monday, November 20, 2017 at 7:08:30 PM UTC+10, Chas. wrote:
> You guys should leave significant others off the table.
>
> -Chas.

True, too much tit for tat

[Chas.]

On Monday, November 20, 2017 at 2:40:36 AM UTC-8, daisie...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, November 20, 2017 at 1:08:30 AM UTC-8, Chas. wrote:
> > You guys should leave significant others off the table.
> >
> > -Chas.
>
> Can't we all get along without all the BASHING????
>
> SGI said that they are no longer following Nichiren
> Daishonin. So, that may be why they don't follow
> Nichiren Daishonin anymore.

That's a lie, the SGI never said that. Maybe someone you know from the SGI said something that you took for new policy, but we follow Sensei and he follows Mr. Toda, who gave us the 26 Admonitions of Nikko Shonin to follow, of which the first two are:

1. The doctrines of the Fuji school must not differ in the least from the teachings of the late master.

2. The doctrines of the five senior priests differ in every regard from the teachings of the late master.

So, you are totally and utterly wrong, Denise Gold, and if you persist in this way after being rebutted, you are a liar.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

Blah, blah, blah-- squeals the Gakkai parrot!

Meanwhile what you are too lazy to investigate becomes accessible for those who are seeking Buddhism.

SGI cannot suppress the truth :-)

~Katie

[Chas.]

Katie Higgins Cannot Deflect Her Way Out Of Being Refuted By Shakyamuni, Nichiren Daishonin, the Gohonzon and the Daimoku +

What is perpetually on-topic is your inability to focus on answering these 4 points, which you continue to dance around:

In spite of your various evasions, I will continue to confront you, Katie Higgins, with the inconvenient truth that, once again, my 4 points HAVE NOT BEEN ANSWERED BY YOU. And deflecting with this type of nonsense will not change that fact.

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/Q-0eZk5t90k/igLMrVI_AgAJ

It is likely that these questions might not ever be answered honestly, because there is no viable construct supporting your distortions of Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism of the Lotus Sutra into a dehumanizing deification of Shakyamuni as God Almighty, Creator of Heaven and Earth like Jehovah or as a man-God like Jesus Christ. Statue-worshiping idolatry IS NOT Buddhism, it is an outrageous and insupportable attack on the Lotus Sutra itself.

[1:] Nichiren Daishonin's own golden words in the Gosho refute your idolatry of Shakyamuni directly ("Myoho-Renge" is "the actual name of the entity", not Shakyamuni or Nichiren Daishonin.)

[2:] The Lotus Sutra refutes this dehumanizing deification directly (In the past, 15 elder brothers, father and grandfather, and in the future his disciples and even Devadatta: all are great Buddhas just like Shakyamuni.) These are his golden words you deny.

[3:] The Gohonzon refutes this dehumanizing deification directly (the prominence of "Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo Nichiren" over all other entities, Nichiren being the common mortal who is chanting and raising the banner of Myoho.)

[4:] Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo refutes this dehumanizing deification directly (we chant neither Nam-Shakyamuni-Butsu, nor Nam-Nichiren-Butsu.) This is what you chant every day, Katie Higgins, even though you deny the truth of it.

[Katie Higgins]

On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 11:06:48 PM UTC-4, Mark Rogow wrote:
> https://www.reddit.com/r/sgiwhistleblowers/comments/735sgn/soka_gakkai_malaysia_open_leadership_revolt/

Funny how SGI members are not the least bit motivated to seek Nichiren's writings and search for some reason to believe what SGI leaders say. Too bad SGI members blindly follow 'persons' who have taught them that following a particular person is "the Buddha Way".

The best these SGI hobos can do is sing the praises of Ikeda-- after decades of following the 'function of the Buddha" , their sphere of concern remains confined to their own personal comfort and gain,which is tethered to their connection to Ikeda. They will spew sound bytes like "Buddhism is reason" -- but is it reasonable to expect that after decades of excellent parenting a grown, well developed person is still soiling their diapers and expecting to be spoon fed?

~Katie

[Noel]

SGI is more like a day care centre for social retards poor bastards...pray for them

[Chas.]

On Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 7:05:17 AM UTC-8, Katie Higgins wrote:
> CHAS four points answered for the LAST time.

> >
> > [1:] Nichiren Daishonin's own golden words in the Gosho refute your idolatry of Shakyamuni directly ("Myoho-Renge" is "the actual name of the entity", not Shakyamuni or Nichiren Daishonin.)
>

> - show quoted text -
> This is from a Disputed Gosho-- not in Nichrien's hand, does not bear nNichiren's seal;-- not consistent with authentic Major Writings. As Nichiren himself stated-- refuted texts are not permitted in formal religious debate.

> >
> > [2:] The Lotus Sutra refutes this dehumanizing deification directly (In the past, 15 elder brothers, father and grandfather, and in the future his disciples and even Devadatta: all are great Buddhas just like Shakyamuni.) These are his golden words you deny.
>

> HERE (again) Chas analyzes the Lotus sutra while disbelieving the portions Nichiren recommended for daily recitation-- (disregarding the eternal Buddha, Shakyamuni=slander) No FAITH=No WISDOM. Sorry, Chas-- you have not attained the wisdom of the Buddha :-( - YOUR analysis is bunk and your arrogance knows no bounds (Ikeda-bot NOT follower of Nichiren)

>
>
> > > [3:] The Gohonzon refutes this dehumanizing deification directly (the prominence of "Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo Nichiren" over all other entities, Nichiren being the common mortal who is chanting and raising the banner of Myoho.)
>

> FYI Chas- Myoho-renge-kyo is the TITLE- the ESSENCE of the Lotus Sutra, which Nichiren does not separate from Shakyamnui, the Buddha who entrusted Nichiren with propagation of "Myoho-renge-kyo"
> BTW- NAMU- is written on the Gohonzon- means "to devote one's life" --to "The Lotus sutra"

>
> > [4:] Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo refutes this dehumanizing deification directly (we chant neither Nam-Shakyamuni-Butsu, nor Nam-Nichiren-Butsu.) This is what you chant every day, Katie Higgins, even though you deny the truth of it.
>

> Here we go again - for the hearing impaired hobo, Chas: "Dehumanizing deification"? Your term, Chas-- your fantasy, Chas-- I have no clue what you are saying, but it sure doesn't resonate with me.
> >
> > Katie is referencing the teachings of Nichiren-- anyone can do it!!
> >
>
> Hope you like this format for "answering" your dimwitted points, chas-- I will not be addressing your bunk from now on,
>
> ~Katie

Evading my four points IS NOT answering my four points.

On point 1.
No one of any repute, except disreputable you, disputes the "Entity of the Mystic Law" Gosho, that is not an answer, it's an evasion.

On point 2.
Those quotes do not require interpretation (see the posting above):
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/Q-0eZk5t90k/y7xXKQ7ZAgAJ

either the Buddha is describing his family history, or he is lying and then that part of the Lotus Sutra is a lie. Which of these are you claiming?

On point 3.
Another evasion. Shakyamuni's name is not any more prominent than Many Treasures or the Four Bodhisattvas surrounding those two on the top row. The Goshonzon is centered around the "actual name of the entity" , which is "Myoho-Renge", not another name.

On point 4.
Another evasion. It's the "actual name of the entity" that counts when you chant, not other names that did not exist before the Shakya clan existed, like yesterday, in the kalpa perspective.

Evading is not answering. Either the Lotus Sutra, Shakyamuni, the Gohonzon, Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo and Nichiren Daishonin are all lying, or you, Katie Higgins, ARE TOTALLY WRONG!

-Chas.

[chxli...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 10:47:25 PM UTC-7, Chas. wrote:

> How does that compare to the many millions in the SGI?

> -Chas.

Chas, the Soka Gakkai and SGI have been claiming the *same* "12 million members worldwide" since at LEAST 1970, which means almost FIFTY YEARS OF STAGNATION.

Also, SGI *claims* to be in "192 countries/territories worldwide" but refuses to publish a list! Names or it isn't true.

Back to YOU, Chas.

[chxli...@gmail.com]

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 8:56:41 AM UTC-8, Chas. wrote:

> These passages were preached SPECIFICALLY TO REFUTE STATUE-WORSHIPING DISTORTERS OF BUDDHISM SUCH AS YOU, MARK ROGOW AND THE TRAITOROUS PRIESTS OF NICHIREN SHU.
>
> -Chas.

Yet Nichiren's prized possession was - wait for it - a STATUE OF SHAKYAMUNI! In fact, Nikko, who fancied himself the favorite, got his nose severely out of joint when Nichiren left it to a different senior priest instead of himself.

If having a Shakyamuni statue is good enough for Nichiren, why shouldn't it be likewise good enough for any of Nichiren's followers??

[Chas.]

The 'claim', which having been made last year by President Minoru Harada can be proved, is that Soka Gakkai Japan alone has over 8 million households, which is 1 in 6 of the households in Japan. That is 1 in 6 households where people do gongyo and as all people in Japan do, show respect to the family altar containing the Gohonzon, by doing Sansho upon entering/leaving or at the very least, upon occasion. The average household in Japan as of the last census,

http://www.stat.go.jp/english/data/handbook/c0117.htm

is 126.93 million Japanese
/ 53.33 million households
= 2.430 Japanese per household.

8 million households is 15% of the population, which means that there are a little less than 20 million people showing respect to their household Gohonzon in Japan, alone.

What the number outside Japan is, I don't know for sure, but I would expect it to be in excess of one million and growing.

What this means to you, happiness upon not being disappointed that the Kosen Rufu movement is doing better than you thought, or the reverse, is up to you.

But the facts are as I state.

-Chas.

[Chas.]

That's a lie promulgated by idolaters. Nichiren Daishonin stated that the Gohonzon is "the supreme object of devotion in all of Jambudvipa" which means across the universe, in the Gosho. That's actually written down by him and communicated to his followers. Not interpreted by you from some non-Gosho source.

-Chas.

[Chas.]

The declaration by Nichiren Daishonin that "the supreme object of devotion in all of Jambudvipa" is the Gohonzon is what Wittgenstein would call a "tautology".

From the Oxford Dictionary on the Modern Logic definition of tautology:
1922 tr. Wittgenstein's Tractatus 97 "The tautology ... is unconditionally true."

The unassailable deduction from that is that you are tautologically wrong.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

Nichiren's last will and testament is extant in his own hand, a Japanese cultural treasure! How is it you don't know anything substantial about Nichiren? Oh, I know! Because you are indoctrinated with "branded" propaganda that you have been brainwashed to believe is "study material"!!

And has been noted multiple times here, where @chas doesn't read, or can't read?--noted here time and again that there are Gosho written to lay followers , Nichiren's disciples,i.e.; Shijo Kingo, Toki Jonin) detailing his praise for their having fashioned an image of Shakyamuni Buddha!

Likewise,
@chas is totally ignorant regarding "current events" in SGI-- rumor has it he/she is not even a member-- just an anonymous SGI shill whose sketchy behavior has helped many decide to leave or ignore SGI all together! Since this has been pointed out to him/her, it seems that may be his/her agenda here, however, it will no longer be possible for this spamming troll to propagate heretical bunk and pass it off as Nichiren's teachings!

~Katie

[Chas.]

As we've noted before, having or making a statue is not to be conflated with the Gohonzon, which is the "supreme object of devotion in all Jambudvipa" according to Nichiren Daishonin. If someone places it in front of the Gohonzon on replaces the Gohonzon with a statue of Shakyamuni falsely deified as a manGod like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah ... then that is a truly profound slander of the Gohonzon.

This is because Shakyamuni himself stated in the Lotus Sutra that in a future life in a different Buddha realm, he would be preaching the Lotus Sutra under a different name and form, neither "Shakyamuni" (prince of the Shakyas) nor the form of the beautiful young men fancied by his statue-worshiping sculptors. If his name won't be "prince of the Shakyas", how can that be the eternal Buddha's name?

And in addition, he first heard about the Lotus Sutra from his grandfather and his father the buddha Great Universal Wisdom Excellence, after his 15 elder brothers, all of whom preached the Lotus Sutra before he did in their own Buddha Lands, reciting the same declaration from the Jiga-Ge:

Lotus Sutra: chapter 16: "Life Span of the Thus Come One", pp. 271-273:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Content/16#para-29

., Since I attained buddhahood
., the number of kalpas that have passed
., is an immeasurable hundreds, thousands, ten thousands,
., millions, trillions, asamkhyas.
., Constantly I have preached the Law, teaching, converting
., countless millions of living beings,
., causing them to enter the buddha way,
., all this for immeasurable kalpas.
., In order to save living beings,
., as an expedient means I appear to enter nirvana
., but in truth I do not pass into extinction.
., I am always here, preaching the Law.
., I am always here,
., but through my transcendental powers
., I make it so that living beings in their befuddlement
., do not see me even when close by.

Then there are the predictions of countless other Buddhas, he enumerates among his principle followers, the Dragon King's daughter, his enemy Devadatta, who was his mentor in another life, and 20,000 Buddhas name Sun Moon Bright, all of whom preach the same Lotus Sutra making the same declaration of identity in the Jiga-Ge.

However, if none of these Buddhas, but Shakyamuni, has the right to make those declarations that self-identify as the eternal Buddha, then how can they preach the Lotus Sutra as Shakyamuni says? If they cannot then he is lying when he speaks proudly of his mentors, contemporaries and followers.

Then it is also a lie when we recite the Jiga-Ge in doing gongyo twice a day.

Clearly either all of these human beings (including yourself) are either lying or you are wrong.

You have not bothered to respond to this enormous problem presented by your distorted views Katie Higgins. Pray tell why? Nothing to say?

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

Again, @chas considers believing the actual words of Nichiren will lead to distorted views !

HERE, Katie Higgins, will respond to the cowardly anonymous SGI shill , @chas!

An enormous problem @chas overlooks-- even after quoting from a portion of the Lotus Sutra recommended by Nichiren for daily recitation :

", Constantly I have preached the Law, teaching, converting
., countless millions of living beings,
., causing them to enter the buddha way,
., all this for immeasurable kalpas.
., In order to save living beings,
., as an expedient means I appear to enter nirvana
., but in truth I do not pass into extinction.
., I am always here, preaching the Law.
., I am always here,
., but through my transcendental powers
., I make it so that living beings in their befuddlement
., do not see me even when close by. "

What @chas overlooks is that Nichiren says in the Kanjin honzon sho (One of the 5 Major writings extant in Nichiren's own hand), is that it is the Eternal Buddha, Shakyamuni who is preaching this-- from the "Life Span " chapter-- the "Essential teaching".

Sorry @chas you are wrong again-- basically because you can only support your bunk using the arbitrary views of the corrupt High priests of your sham lineage!

@chas continually and consistently disregards Nichiren's most explicitly clear and most substantial authentic writings in order to propagate his "I'm already a Buddha" bunk! In truth, @chas, according to the Lotus Sutra is "meager in virtue" and "meager in understanding" just because he was born in this degenerative age! @chas chooses to discount how he/she is described by the Buddha even as he disbelieves Nichiren's description of the Buddha!

WE need to look more closely at the work of Buddhist scholars who rely on the Showa teihon, the most reliable collection of Nichiren's writings, to reveal exactly what Nichiren taught. And mind you, there are many in this camp-- even a good number in the employ of the SGI who unequivocally assert that Shakyamuni is the Eternal Buddha, preaching the Essential teaching of the Lotus Sutra and that the historical Buddha, Shakymuni is the "manifest body" of the Eternal Shakyamuni Buddha. Which BTW, totally explains why Nichiren and his closest disciples kept a statue of the Historical Shakyamuni Buddha-- a reminder of the debt of gratitude we own this "manifestation" of the Eternal Buddha!

~Katie Higgins :-)

[Chas.]

Your literal interpretation of that is incorrect, and would convert the Lotus Sutra into a pack of lies.

Shakyamuni (not an eternal name, his name and form will be different in the future, according to him) of the Life Span Chapter is the same as his father buddha Great Universal Wisdom Excellence (from whom Shakyamuni as his son, first heard about the Lotus Sutra, according to him in the unimpeachable Lotus Sutra) of the Life Span Chapter and the eternal name of anyone reciting the Jiga-Ge of the Life Span Chapter, or chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo, ... is "Myoho-Renge', which is part of why chanting works so magnificently.

Since the Lotus Sutra IS NOT a pack of lies, your literal (and rather stupid) interpretation of the Gosho is faulty. Thus, that part of the Gosho is expedient means to the end of communicating with the addressee and later followers in their vernacular, where the only living Buddha who preached the Lotus Sutra that they have knowledge of, is named Shakyamuni.

If everyone of that time had read and studied the Lotus Sutra widely, he could have spoken more accurately. The accurate fact is that ANYONE AND EVERYONE of the Life Span Chapter shares the eternal name of "Myoho-Renge". This is why chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo works, because it causes us all to remember our true and noble self, like waking up from a deep dreamy sleep.

You corrupted and slanderous attacks on the validity of the Lotus Sutra betrays your hatred and malice towards the true teaching, Nichiren Daishonin and Shakyamuni, by falsely deifying Shakyamuni as a manGod like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah.

Hating your true self must be quite painful, Katie Higgins.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

My belief in Nichiren’s authentic writings is consistent with Nichiren’s instructions to practice as he did - I’m very happy with my decision .

But not sure if @chas is just a 🐓or perhaps an Internet 🤖— running out of explanations that imply @chas possesses what are commonly accepted as human traits 🙀

~ Katie 😊

[Chas.]

Katie Higgins' posted "truth", means false idolatry and unfounded literal interpretation of the Gosho that slanders the Lotus Sutra.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

🤖@chas’ automated response

[Chas.]

On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 12:40:13 PM UTC-7, Katie Higgins wrote:
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Now you are just hiding your idolatry, and that at least shows that you have shame for your slandering the Lotus Sutra.

Let's be clear: you have never adequately addressed your glaring errors:
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Your literal interpretation of that is incorrect, and would convert the Lotus Sutra into a pack of lies.

Shakyamuni (not an eternal name, his name and form will be different in the future, according to him) of the Life Span Chapter is performing the same function as his father buddha Great Universal Wisdom Excellence (from whom Shakyamuni as his son, first heard about the Lotus Sutra, according to him in the unimpeachable Lotus Sutra) of the Life Span Chapter. This is true of all the Buddhas like Shakyamuni, his grandfather, father and 15 elder brothers in their Buddha realms preaching the Lotus Sutra before him and after him the predictions of his disciples, the Dragon King's daughter and even Devadatta, and 20,000 Buddhas named Sun Moon Bright.

In fact the eternal name of anyone reciting the Jiga-Ge of the Life Span Chapter, or chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo, ... is "Myoho-Renge', which is part of why chanting works so magnificently.

Since the Lotus Sutra IS NOT a pack of lies, your literal (and rather stupid) interpretation of the Gosho is faulty. Thus, that part of the Gosho is expedient means to the end of communicating with the addressee and later followers in their vernacular, where the only living Buddha who preached the Lotus Sutra that they had knowledge of, was named Shakyamuni.

If everyone of that time had read and studied the Lotus Sutra widely, he could have spoken more accurately. The accurate fact is that ANYONE AND EVERYONE of the Life Span Chapter shares the eternal name of "Myoho-Renge". This is why chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo works, because it causes us all to remember our true and noble self, like waking up from a deep dreamy sleep.

Your corrupted and slanderous attacks on the validity of the Lotus Sutra betray your hatred and malice towards the true teaching, Nichiren Daishonin and Shakyamuni, by falsely deifying Shakyamuni as a manGod like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah.

Hating your true self must surely be quite painful, Katie Higgins.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

I follow Nichiren.

Once again, here is Nichiren's own refutation of the bunk @chas has been posting here :


"We, the various beings who live in this world, have been the beloved children of Shakyamuni Buddha, the lord of teachings, since numberless major world system dust particle kalpas in the past. And though because of the offense of our unfilial behavior we are unaware of this to this day, we are nevertheless not the same as the beings of another realm.

A Buddha with whom one establishes a connection that leads to enlightenment, and the various beings who establish such a connection, may be compared to the moon in the sky as it is reflected in countless bodies of clear water. But in the case of a Buddha with whom no such connection can be established, the various beings are comparable to deaf persons straining to hear the sound of thunder or blind persons facing the sun or the moon.

And yet there are some teachers who deprecate Shakyamuni and pay reverence to the Thus Come One Mahāvairochana, or some teachers who declare that one cannot establish a connection leading to Buddhahood with Shakyamuni, but can establish such a connection with Amida. Other teachers support the Shakyamuni of the Hinayana teachings, the Shakyamuni of the Flower Garland Sutra, or the Shakyamuni of the theoretical teaching of the Lotus Sutra. All these teachers and their supporters who forget [the] Shakyamuni [of the “Life Span” chapter] and choose some other Buddha instead are like Prince Ajātashatru, who killed his father, King Bimbisāra, and, turning against Shakyamuni, became a patron of Devadatta.

The fifteenth day of the second month is regarded as the date when Shakyamuni Buddha passed away, and the fifteenth day of each month also as the day of memorial service for this loving father of all the beings of the threefold world. And yet, led astray by such veritable Devadattas as Shan-tao, Hōnen, and Yōkan, people have now decided that that date is to be looked on as a day consecrated to Amida Buddha! The eighth day of the fourth month is the birthday of the World-Honored One Shakyamuni, and yet it has now been taken over as the birthday of Medicine Master Buddha! To take the anniversary of the death of your own loving father and turn it into the anniversary for some other Buddha—what kind of filial conduct is that!

The “Life Span” chapter says, “I am the father of this world because I cure my deranged sons.” The Great Teacher T’ien-t’ai says, “Originally one followed this Buddha and for the first time conceived the desire to seek the way. And by following this Buddha again, one will reach the stage where there is no retrogression. . . . Just as all the hundred rivers flow into the sea, so is one drawn by one’s connection with the Buddha and born in company with the Buddha.”- Nichiren

The Buddha is Shakyamuni- no other, in Nichiren's teachings.

~Katie

[Chas.]

Once again, your interpretation of the Gosho calls the Lotus Sutra a pack of lies, since Shakyamuni in the Lotus Sutra talks about other Great Buddhas preaching the Lotus Sutra BEFORE him (his grandfather, father the buddha Great Universal Wisdom Excellence, and his 15 brothers) ... and since Shakyamuni in the Lotus Sutra talks about other Great Buddhas preaching the Lotus Sutra AFTER him including all of his main disciples, the Dragon King's daughter and even Devadatta, his worst nemesis ... and since Shakyamuni in the Lotus Sutra talks about HIMSELF preaching the Lotus Sutra in a future existence, NOT NAMED SHAKYAMUNI. If Shakyamuni's name and physical form that you falsely deify above all other forms ARE NOT ETERNAL EVEN FOR HIM, then how can you falsely deify the name Shakyamuni and the form of his statues as a manGod like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah?

And how could you enlist Nichiren Daishonin in making the Lotus Sutra into a pack of lies with your literal misinterpretation of the Gosho? In the Gosho, Nichiren Daishonin states many, many times that the Lotus Sutra is the supreme teaching and that each and every one of the 69,384 characters of the Lotus Sutra are golden buddhas (who always tell the absolute truth.) How could you force false calumny into the mouth of Nichiren Daishonin? It's been done before, when Tenkai, the aged Tendai monk, forced false words of deification raising the gods above the Buddhas, and Ieyasu above the gods, into the mouth of Dengyo, who he also pretended to follow in the way that you pretend to follow Nichiren Daishonin ... in the intent of forging a new form of Shinto to please his masters, the Tokugawas. So, you are walking in Tenkai's footsteps. The path to Avichi hell is well-paved with bad intentions.

You have not and cannot answer that question regarding your profound slander of the Lotus Sutra, but I will continue to plague you with it, Katie Higgins.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

What is the criteria for Nichiren’s authentic writings ? I doubt there is a single SGI member who could answer this question !! Yet what is more important than knowing what is authentically Nichiren’s own teachings?

1) A writing that has or is definitely known to have had a holograph —-that is, which exists or is known to exist in Nichiren’s own handwriting is an authentic writing .

2) Among those writings for which no holograph survives, those that do not contradict writings nags now or formerly existing in a Nichiren holograph can be regarded as authentic.

“When Shakyamuni Buddha in the clouds above the Sacred Mountain, on the midst of Eagle Peak, summoned the essence of the doctrine and entrusted it to the Bodhisattvas of the earth, what do you suppose that teaching was? It was nothing other than these five characters , the essential law.”- Nichiren

Gratitude and reverence for Shakyamuni Buddha is implicit throughout Nichiren’s authentic writings- this basic , common sense attitude is hardly a display of idolatry!!

~ Katie

[Chas.]

I would add that Nichiren Daishonin also dictated to his followers and then signed or sealed them with his mark, and also had his followers copy the Gosho letters sent out in his own hand, but the originals did not survive.

The key is the AMS carbon dating. If a Gosho letter is carbon dated during Nichiren's life or shortly thereafter (there is a seven year error in AMD carbon dating measurements from dates at the time of Nichiren Daishonin's life), but is written in the hand of a follower, it must be accepted.

Once again, none of these declarations deifies Shakyamuni as the one and only Buddha preaching the Lotus Sutra, because that would call the Lotus Sutra a pack of lies, and that is purely the interpretation of Katie Higgins.

And another thing, any interpretation of Nichiren Daishonin's Gosho that calls the Lotus Sutra a pack of lies is nothing less than horrible.

If Nichiren Daishonin is instead interpreted there as using the vernacular common to the time, where virtually no one studied the Lotus Sutra closely and then the only Buddha anyone knew who was connected to the Lotus Sutra was Shakyamuni, then of course he would refer to the eternal Buddha of the essential teachings as Shakyamuni as AN EXPEDIENT MEANS to defeat the competing Buddhas: Amida of Nembutsu, Mahavairochana of True Word/Shingon/Tantric Buddhism, Yakushi Nyorai of Reiki/Medicine Master Buddhism and the void of Zen.

Your false deification of Shakyamuni as a manGod like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah, is the kind of foolishness that led to the Pacific War and the Asian Holocaust instigated by your Gohonzon patrons at Nichiren Shu:

From: "Nichiren Shu (with Kempon Hokke Myomanji Sect) and the Asian Holocaust #1"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.zen/pfHcnbnjHus/B_RYwmkbCgAJ

and from "Nichiren Shu (with Kempon Hokke Myomanji Sect) and the Asian Holocaust #2"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.zen/QgGf39rK6jU/39hhlHcbCgAJ

Their attacks on the SGI began in the late 1950s and continues to this day by their minions like yourself.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

This evil age , Mappo is as it was during Nichiren’s time, extending for 10,000 years “ or more”- It is absurd to make differentiation’s of Time in the way &chas persists on doing !!

Also note how quickly @chas condemns that which he refuses to investigate -/ his attitude reflects the height of ignorance and the main reason SGI members have no clue regarding the most crucial aspects of determining Nichiren’s authentic writings —- but his long can they dismiss writings they will encounter when they read the Gosho for themselves ?

“Yet it was not I, Nichiren , who made these important pronouncements. Rather, it was in all cases the spirit of Shakyamuni Buddha that had entered into my body . And at having personally experienced this I am beside myself with joy.”- Nichiren

@chas would be calling Nichiren’s “personal experiences” examples of idolatry !!

Including this very moving passage from “The Suprdmscy of the Law”:

“When I was about to be beheaded , the Lord Buddha Shakyamuni took my place.”

Those who follow Nichiren receive the protection of Shakyamuni - SGI members get material benefit for protecting Ikeda !!! As Ikeda-bots are not even seeking perfect enlightenment, they have only the king devil as their parent!!

Namu-myoho-renge- kyo,

~ Katie

[Chas.]

No, you are lying again and that is a bad argument for your various interpretations of the Gosho. What I dismiss is your literal interpretation of the Gosho, which cannot be correct since it calls the Lotus Sutra a pack of lies: Nichiren Daishonin would never, ever desire that interpretation.

Your interpretation is that there is only one eternal Buddha in the cosmos, ever, eternally named Shakyamuni appearing ~3000 years ago. If the Lotus Sutra is speaking the truth, your interpretation is evil garbage, since Shakyamuni in the Lotus Sutra talks about other Great Buddhas preaching the Lotus Sutra BEFORE him (his grandfather, father the buddha Great Universal Wisdom Excellence, and his 15 brothers) ... and since Shakyamuni in the Lotus Sutra talks about other Great Buddhas preaching the Lotus Sutra AFTER him including all of his main disciples, the Dragon King's daughter and even Devadatta, his worst nemesis ... and since Shakyamuni in the Lotus Sutra talks about HIMSELF preaching the Lotus Sutra in a future existence, NOT NAMED SHAKYAMUNI. If Shakyamuni's name and physical form that you falsely deify above all other forms ARE NOT ETERNAL EVEN FOR HIM, then how can you falsely deify the name Shakyamuni and the form of his statues as a manGod like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah?

And then how could you enlist Nichiren Daishonin in making the Lotus Sutra into a pack of lies with your literal misinterpretation of the Gosho? In the Gosho, Nichiren Daishonin states many, many times that the Lotus Sutra is the supreme teaching and that each and every one of the 69,384 characters of the Lotus Sutra are golden buddhas (who always tell the absolute truth.) How could you force false calumny into the mouth of Nichiren Daishonin? It's been done before, when Tenkai, the aged Tendai monk, forced false words of deification raising the gods above the Buddhas, and Ieyasu above the gods, into the mouth of Dengyo, who he also pretended to follow in the way that you pretend to follow Nichiren Daishonin ... in the intent of forging a new form of Shinto to please his masters, the Tokugawas. So, you are walking in Tenkai's footsteps. The path to Avichi hell is well-paved with bad intentions.

The correct interpretation, allowing the Lotus Sutra to be the truth, of these kinds of passages in Nichiren Daishonin's Gosho is that he is speaking using the vernacular common to the time, where virtually no one studied the Lotus Sutra closely and then the only Buddha anyone knew who was connected to the Lotus Sutra was named Shakyamuni, and then OF COURSE he would refer to the eternal Buddha of the essential teachings as Shakyamuni as AN EXPEDIENT MEANS to defeat the competing Buddhas: Amida of Nembutsu, Mahavairochana of True Word/Shingon/Tantric Buddhism, Yakushi Nyorai of Reiki/Medicine Master Buddhism and the void of Zen.

Your utterly false (and demeaning to him) deification of Shakyamuni as a manGod like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah, is the kind of foolishness that led to the Pacific War and the Asian Holocaust instigated by your Gohonzon patrons at Nichiren Shu:

From: "Nichiren Shu (with Kempon Hokke Myomanji Sect) and the Asian Holocaust #1"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.zen/pfHcnbnjHus/B_RYwmkbCgAJ

and from "Nichiren Shu (with Kempon Hokke Myomanji Sect) and the Asian Holocaust #2"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.zen/QgGf39rK6jU/39hhlHcbCgAJ

The Nichiren Shu attacks on the SGI began in the late 1950s and continues to this day by their minions like yourself.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

Why ponder the “other Buddha’s” - unless you are enamoured by mere emanations if the Etetnal Buddha, Shakyamuni ?/ which is absolutely a blatant dismissal of Nichiren’s 5 Major Writings .

This display of disregard to the Buddha who preached the Lotus Sutra for the sake of living beings here - for us who live in this evil age is stunning.

Nichiren writes:

“I Nichiren, humble person though I am, have received Lord Shakyamuni’s royal command and came to this country of Japan .” (MW vol 5, “The Pure and Far Reaching Voice p, 143)

What a contrast to @chas’ arrogant , drpricating dustribe !

~ Katie

[Chas.]

How about where in the 16th Life Span Chapter (the heart of the essential teaching) Shakyamuni notes that in the future he will preach the Lotus Sutra in another Buddha land under another name?

From the Lotus Sutra: Chapter 7 - "Parable of the Phantom City," p. 173:
https://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Content/7#para-284

,. After I have entered extinction, there will be other
,. disciples who will not hear this sutra and will not
,. understand or be aware of the practices carried out by the
,. bodhisattvas, but who, through the blessings they have been
,. able to attain, will conceive an idea of extinction and
,. enter into what they believe to be nirvana. AT THAT TIME I
,. WILL BE A BUDDHA IN ANOTHER LAND AND WILL BE KNOWN BY A
,. DIFFERENT NAME. Those disciples, though they have conceived
,. an idea of extinction and entered into what they take to be
,. nirvana, will in that other land seek the buddha wisdom and
,. will be able to hear this sutra. For it is only through the
,. buddha vehicle that one can attain extinction. THERE IS NO
,. OTHER VEHICLE, IF ONE EXCEPTS THE VARIOUS DOCTRINES THAT
,. THE THUS COME ONES PREACH AS AN EXPEDIENT MEANS.

If his own name is not eternal, then which is the emanation of which? Is Shakyamuni Buddha the emanation of himself as a Buddha in the future as he preaches the Lotus Sutra and the treasure tower rises and all the emanations of the Buddha of the essential teaching (his future name not mentioned) appear including Shakyamuni? Or is it the reverse? Or are all the Buddhas preaching the Lotus Sutra a function of the common mortal who is the true Buddha whose eternal name is "Myoho-Renge", which is why we chant Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo as Nichiren Daishonin says in the "Entity of the Mystic Law" Gosho to Sairen-bo?

Then all these Buddhas listed below are "Myoho-Renge" when the essential teaching of the Lotus Sutra is preached.
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Your false deification of Shakyamuni as the one and only Buddha is a slander of the Lotus Sutra. What is the scale of that slander of the Law? We can compute it exactly!

Even though Katie Higgins claims that there is only one Buddha ever in the universe, here are the other Buddhas preaching the Lotus Sutra in their Buddha realms (according to the Lotus Sutra that Katie Higgins despises):

[I provide a Buddha counter next to each prediction to calculate the magnitude of the errors of Katie Higgins and her profound slander of the Lotus Sutra. The Buddha counter includes Shakaymuni, of course.]

[20,001] Sun Moon Bright ［日月燈明仏］ (Skt Chandra-sūrya-pradīpa; Jpn Nichigatsu-tōmyō-butsu): A Buddha who, according to the “Introduction” (first) chapter of the Lotus Sutra, appeared in the distant past to preach the correct teaching. That chapter refers to twenty thousand Buddhas who appeared successively, all bearing the same name, Sun Moon Bright. The last Sun Moon Bright Buddha expounded the Lotus Sutra to Bodhisattva Wonderfully Bright, a previous incarnation of Bodhisattva Manjushrī. After this Buddha’s death, his eight sons practiced under the guidance of Wonderfully Bright and thus attained enlightenment.

[20,002 Buddhas] Shāriputra［舎利弗］(Skt; Pali Sāriputta; Jpn Sharihotsu): The “Simile and Parable” (third) chapter predicts that he will in a future existence become a Buddha named Flower Glow.

[20,003 Buddhas] Maudgalyāyana［目連・目犍連］(Skt; Pali Moggallāna; Jpn Mokuren or Mokkenren): The “Bestowal of Prophecy” (sixth) chapter predicts that he will attain enlightenment in the future as a Buddha named Tamālapattra Sandalwood Fragrance.

[20,004 Buddhas] Kātyāyana ［迦旃延］ (Skt; Pali Kacchāyana or Kacchāna; Jpn Kasennen): Also known as Mahākātyāyana (Pali Mahākacchāyana or Mahākacchāna). One of Shakyamuni Buddha’s ten major disciples, respected as foremost in debate. The “Bestowal of Prophecy” (sixth) chapter predicts that in the future he will become a Buddha named Jāmbūnada Gold Light.

[20,005 Buddhas] Subhūti ［須菩提］ (Skt, Pali; Jpn Shubodai): One of Shakyamuni’s ten major disciples. He is said to have been a nephew of Sudatta, the wealthy patron of Shakyamuni Buddha in Shrāvastī, India, who donated Jetavana Monastery. The “Bestowal of Prophecy” (sixth) chapter predicts his future enlightenment as a Buddha named Rare Form.

[20,006 Buddhas] Mahākāshyapa ［摩訶迦葉］ (Skt; Pali Mahākassapa; Jpn Makakashō): Also known as Kāshyapa. One of Shakyamuni’s ten major disciples, known as foremost in the ascetic practices called dhūta. The “Bestowal of Prophecy” (sixth) chapter states that he will become a Buddha named Light Bright Thus Come One. He is regarded as the first of the Buddha’s twenty-three or twenty-four successors.

[20,007 Buddhas] Pūrna ［富楼那］ (Skt; Pali Punna; Jpn Furuna): One of Shakyamuni Buddha’s ten major disciples. Noted as foremost in preaching the Law, he is said to have converted five hundred people of his tribe. The “Five Hundred Disciples” (eighth) chapter predicts that Pūrna will attain enlightenment as the Buddha Law Bright.

[20,008 Buddhas] Aniruddha ［阿那律］ (Skt; Pali Anuruddha; Jpn Anaritsu): A cousin of Shakyamuni Buddha and one of his ten major disciples. Either Amritodana or Dronodana is regarded as his father, each of whom was a younger brother of King Shuddhodana, the father of Shakyamuni. The “Five Hundred Disciples” (eighth) chapter of the Lotus Sutra predicts that he will become a Buddha named Universal Brightness.

[20,009 Buddhas] Ājnāta Kaundinya ［阿若憍陳如］ (Skt; Pali Annā Kondanna; Jpn Anya-kyōjinnyo): Also known as Kaundinya. One of the five ascetics who heard Shakyamuni Buddha’s first sermon and thereupon converted to his teachings. The “Five Hundred Disciples” (eighth) chapter of the Lotus Sutra predicts that he will become a Buddha named Universal Brightness.

[21,208 Buddhas] In this (eighth) chapter, Shakyamuni predicts that Pūrna will attain enlightenment in a future existence as a Buddha named Law Bright. Subsequently he prophesies that the twelve hundred arhat disciples in the assembly, including Kaundinya, will also attain Buddhahood. He first bestows this prophecy on five hundred arhats, and then on the remaining seven hundred. All twelve hundred, he says, will become Buddhas with the name Universal Brightness. To show their understanding of the one vehicle teaching, these five hundred arhats then relate the parable of the jewel in the robe.

[21,209 Buddhas] Ānanda ［阿難］ (Skt, Pali; Jpn Anan): One of Shakyamuni’s ten major disciples. He was a cousin of Shakyamuni Buddha. The “Prophecies” (ninth) chapter predicts his future enlightenment as the Buddha Mountain Sea Wisdom Unrestricted Power King.

[21,210 Buddhas] Rāhula ［羅睺羅］ (Skt, Pali; Jpn Ragora): The son of Shakyamuni and Yashodharā. One of Shakyamuni’s ten major disciples, respected as foremost in inconspicuous practice. The “Prophecies” (ninth) chapter states that he will in the future become a Buddha named Stepping on Seven Treasure Flowers.

[23,210 Buddhas] This chapter (ninth) of the Lotus Sutra, in which Shakyamuni Buddha prophesies the enlightenment of Ānanda, Rāhula, and two thousand other voice-hearer disciples in the far distant future. The chapter begins with Ānanda and Rāhula, inspired by Shakyamuni’s prediction of enlightenment for the five hundred arhats in the previous (eighth) chapter, requesting that Shakyamuni bestow on them a prophecy of enlightenment. Shakyamuni complies and predicts that Ānanda will become a Buddha named Mountain Sea Wisdom Unrestricted Power King, and Rāhula, a Buddha named Stepping on Seven Treasure Flowers. He then bestows a prophecy of enlightenment on the two thousand voice-hearer disciples, who include both learners and adepts. Adepts are those who, having mastered the enlightenment of the voice-hearer and become arhats, have nothing more to learn. All of these two thousand disciples, he declares, will become Buddhas with the name Jewel Sign.

[23,211 Buddhas] Devadatta ［提婆達多］ (Skt, Pali; Jpn Daibadatta): A cousin of Shakyamuni who, after Shakyamuni’s enlightenment, first followed him as a disciple but later became his enemy. In the “Devadatta” (twelfth) chapter of the Lotus Sutra, however, Shakyamuni reveals that in some past existence he himself had learned the Lotus Sutra from a seer named Asita, and that this seer was Devadatta. He also predicts that Devadatta will attain enlightenment in the future as a Buddha named Heavenly King.

[23,212 Buddhas] Mahāprajāpatī ［摩訶波闍波提］ (Skt; Pali Mahāpajāpatī; Jpn Makahajahadai): The aunt and foster mother of Shakyamuni, the younger sister of Māyā, Shakyamuni’s birth mother. The “Encouraging Devotion” (thirteenth) chapter of the Lotus Sutra predicts that she will become a Buddha named Gladly Seen by All Living Beings. She is said to have died three months before Shakyamuni.

So, one Buddha (Katie Higgins) or 23,212 Buddhas (Shakyamuni states in the Lotus Sutra).

Who is right Katie Higgins?

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

One Buddha who appeared in this world and preached the Lotus Sutra for us living beings in this evil world in the Latter age . One Buddha who manifested in human form , Shakyamuni.

Even animals show deference and respect for their parents — how pathetic is the unfilial behavior of @chas/SGIKEDA!

~ Katie

[Chas.]

Your views and literal interpretation of the Gosho do not agree with the Lotus Sutra and therefore, Nichiren Daishonin. WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!

-Chas.