Nomical Predictions & Logical Deductions
Astro-Magic
Between November and December of 2001, I posted
a series of articles on Nostradamus' references
to synodic multiples computed for the year 1606,
using the ancient Babylonian long-term averages
& corrections, to estimate within typically one
or two days the synodic multiple for retrograde
naked-eye visible planets which make a superior
and inferior ensign in the zodiac, ergo Mercury,
Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn, to be explicit.
Nostradamus used the year 1606 as an example to
demonstrate his excellent astronomical facility
in his epistle toward Henry II of France, which
original letter was dated 27 June 1558, notably
outside of Mercury's synodic & sidereal century
of 46 tropical years and Mars' synodic multiple
of 47 tropical years--thereby demonstrating his
astronomical knowledge and awareness for all to
see. Each of the five planets with double signs
have very predictable long-term synodic periods
relative to the Earth thus in relationship with
the Sun. However, due to orbital eccentricities,
inclination and other factors, predictions need
some correction to increase the accuracy of the
average periods when applied to a specific date.
Thus, simple uncorrected predictions can be off
by several days from the actual ephemeris which
is okay, considering that long-term predictions
needn't be exact but are used to make goal-year
predictions for example, and long-term prophecy,
all according to planetary aspects to the Earth,
since the Earth is where prophecy happens...see?
The aspects of the planets are what's important.
Approximate positions are close enough for that,
especially as looking centuries into the future.
Remember, planets are in retrograde centered on
their inferior conjunction (approximately) with
the Sun at opposition. The planets conjunct the
Sun every one-half of their synodic period. The
ancient Babylonians were remarkable astronomers,
and Nostradamus made good use of their averages.
The following briefly summarizes this knowledge:
*MERCURY:
mean-synodic ~ 116 days, sidereal ~ 88 days;
planet in retrograde motion ~ 22 solar days.
85 mean-synodic periods =~ 27 tropical years;
191 sidereal ~ 145 mean-synodic ~ 46 tropical;
*VENUS:
mean-synodic ~ 584 days, sidereal ~ 225 days;
planet in retrograde motion ~ 42 solar days.
157 mean-synodic periods =~ 251 tropical years;
1871 sidereal ~ 720 mean-synodic ~ 1151 tropical
*MARS:
mean-synodic ~ 780 days, sidereal ~ 687 days;
planet in retrograde motion ~ 73 solar days.
22 mean-synodic periods =~ 47 tropical years
151 sidereal ~ 133 mean-synodic ~ 284 tropical
*JUPITER:
mean-synodic ~ 400 days, sidereal ~ 4332 days;
planet in retrograde motion ~ 121 solar days.
76 mean-synodic periods =~ 83 tropical years
36 sidereal ~ 391 mean-synodic ~ 427 tropical
*SATURN:
mean-synodic ~ 378 days, sidereal ~ 10760 days;
planet in retrograde motion ~ 138 solar days.
57 mean-synodic periods =~ 59 tropical years
9 sidereal ~ 256 mean-synodic ~ 265 tropical
In reference to these ancient synodic multiples,
Nostradamus proceeded to correlate positions of
the planets to the Earth with future prophecies.
It's with this understanding that the following
excerpts from the epistle are compared with the
modern JPL/Swiss Ephemeris for the five planets,
to show Nostradamus had used approximate values
without taking the time to make corrections per
the old Babylonian methods, but simply referred
us to the quatrains for its prophetic corollary
which often inferred the astronomic particulars.
Note all dates shown are by the Julian calendar:
MERCURY RETROGRADES
Nostradamus JPL/(Sweph) Errata
03-Feb-1606 28-Jan-1606 6 days
24-Feb-1606 19-Feb-1606 5 days
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01-Jun-1606 29-May-1606 3 days
24-Jun-1606 22-Jun-1606 2 days
---------------------------------
25-Sep-1606 25-Sep-1606 0 days
16-Oct-1606 15-Oct-1606 1 days
VENUS RETROGRADE
Nostradamus JPL/(Sweph) Errata
09-Apr-1606 09-Apr-1606 0 days
22-May-1606 22-May-1606 0 days
MARS RETROGRADE
Nostradamus JPL/(Sweph) Errata
11-Apr-1606 11-Apr-1606 0 days
22-Jun-1606 22-Jun-1606 0 days
JUPITER RETROGRADE
Nostradamus JPL/(Sweph) Errata
14-Jun-1606 11-Jun-1606 3 days
07-Oct-1606 09-Oct-1606 2 days
SATURN RETROGRADE
Nostradamus JPL/(Sweph) Errata
7-Apr-1606 6-Apr-1606 1 days
25-Aug-1606 26-Aug-1606 1 days
Nostradamus clearly understood that the synodic
periods of the planets and their multiples over
long-term periods as measured by sidereal years
of each planet and tropical years of Earth give
us the necessary predictive data used to render
the prophetic timeline in pure astronomic terms.
Being a master judicial astrologer, Nostradamus
recognized the influences of planets by aspects
to the Earth. He understood the use of tropical
or caelestial signs to reference the degrees of
longitudinal arc between planets, from which he
was able to adjudge the astrological conditions
accordingly. Again, this is based on aspects of
planets to Earth not their arbitrary placements
against the background of the caelestial zodiac,
nor in reference to tropical angles of sunlight.
Daniel Joseph Min
*Min's Interlinear Translation of Nostradamus'
Preface Towards his son Cesar (brand new!):
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=ZRPX77PG3774...@Gilgamesh-frog.org
*Min's Interlinear Translation of Nostradamus'
Epistle Towards poor king Henry II of France:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=BIWWWJP33739...@Gilgamesh-frog.org
*Min's Light & Sound:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=6B50T76B3773...@Gilgamesh-frog.org
*Min's Compleat Tarot Manual:
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Help
Astro-Magic <astro...@ninth.dimension> wrote:
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> Between November and December of 2001, I posted
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A shitload of crap that nobody wanted!
Astro-Magic
>I'm just curious. How did an astronomer in ancient times tell how long it took
>a planet to go around the Sun, if all he could see is the night sky?
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By heliacal or acronycal appearances of each planet
relative to distant stars. For example, before sun-
rise the heliacal rising of either Mercury or Venus
inferior, or else Mars, Jupiter, or Saturn superior,
any of these five planets clearly visible to the un-
aided human eye weather permitting, demonstrates to
the vigilant observer how many days or years passed
since the last time that planet was visible against
the same stellar backdrop, and at the same angle to
the Sun. The method is simply reversed for heliacal
setting of planets, when either Mercury or Venus is
superior, else Mars, Jupiter, or Saturn is inferior
to the Sun and at sufficient angle as to be visible
after sunset. Acronycal rising of planets and stars
are first to appear above the eastern horizon after
sunset, and so are near solar opposition. Precisely
how soon & for how long a planet or star is visible
above the eastern or western horizon depends on the
magnitude, latitude, climate, season, and a variety
of other concerns. The ancient sky was meticulously
observed over long centuries by cultures around the
world. The minimum angle for each planet, or bright
stars from the Sun to become or remain visible were
generally well-known. The Babylonians, Mayans, plus
other more advanced cultures lost to antiquity were
adept at predicting repetitive planetary motions to
distant future epochs, such as the Mayan prediction
for December 21, 2012, made at least one great year
ago and probably longer than that. Such predictions
show that the ancients were proficient in astronomy
and mathematics and so were aware of the difference
between sidereal and synodic planetary motion. See?
This absolutely destroys orthodox theories that the
ancients were dumb as a rock and blind as a bat, so
to speak. Orthodox science is egregiously misguided.
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>I have another question. How could any astronomer, like Copernucis, have
>known about the planets orbiting the Sun, before modern probes were sent into
>outer space to see them orbiting from far away?
>
See explanation above. As for Copernicus, arguments
about the clear differences between synodic motions
of the planets to Earth and the heliocentric orbits
of planets to the Sun are merely self-evident. This
whole "Copernican Revolution" business was far more
about church politics than it was about science. It
is obvious that Copernicus was a heretic regardless,
since he sought to uproot the Earth from the center
of her caelestial sphere, and further sought to re-
number heaven! You can peruse the particulars here:
*Min's Notes on Heresy of Copernicus:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=IACNCS7D3750...@Gilgamesh-frog.org
Hope that helps,
Daniel Joseph Min
*Min's Interlinear Translation of Nostradamus'
Preface Towards his son Cesar (brand new!):
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=ZRPX77PG3774...@Gilgamesh-frog.org
*Min's Interlinear Translation of Nostradamus'
Epistle Towards poor king Henry II of France:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=BIWWWJP33739...@Gilgamesh-frog.org
*Min's Light & Sound:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=6B50T76B3773...@Gilgamesh-frog.org
*Min's Compleat Tarot Manual:
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VIP
Astro-Magic <astro...@ninth.dimension> wrote:
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> Daniel Joseph Min
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Fuck you morphing asshole!!
Astro-Magic
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PS I should've given a couple of examples in my previous
reply, since it's really a very simple concept--one which
any fifth-grader could understand. Consider Saturn, which
has the longest sidereal period of the five double-ensign
planets, at an average of about 29.45 mean tropical years.
With each passing year, Saturn is seen to rise heliacally
on average about every 378.1 solar days, or about 13 days
longer than Earth's tropical year; hence Saturn's synodic
period is about 378 days. The slow precession of Earth on
her rotational axis causes distant stars to appear rising
heliacally progressively later in the year to the tune of
one ecliptic degree longitude per ~71.1856 tropical years,
which is about 26,000 solar days per degree of precession,
i.e. about 25,626.8304 mean tropical years per great year.
Thus Earth's precession is relatively quite slow compared
to Saturn's progress which "zooms" through the caelestial
zodiac at a rate of about 12.22 degrees per tropical year.
Add the approximately -0.014 degrees per tropical year of
precession to Saturn's progress, and you have about 12.21
degrees per year that Saturn progresses against the stars
as viewed from Earth. By watching Saturn at times when he
is approaching inferior conjunction/opposition to the Sun,
you'll see Saturn enter retrograde motion ~138 solar days
on average approximately centered on inferior conjunction.
At these times Saturn appears to "stand still" in the sky
as he turns retrograde, then 4 1/2 months later returning
to normal motion. Each of these points in time repeat for
the long-term average synodic period of ~378.1 solar days.
Year after year, these synodic intervals progress against
the stellar backdrop, which when compensating for Earth's
precession, proves to the observer that Saturn's sidereal
year is about 29.45 mean tropical years as already stated.
The same basic principles apply to Jupiter, and Mars, and
the outer planets. For Mercury & Venus which orbit closer
to the Sun than Earth does I'll use Venus for the example.
The sidereal year of Venus is about 224.70 solar days, or
around 0.615 tropical years. Because Venus orbits the Sun
faster than Earth does, a synodic year for Venus is about
583.9 solar days. Thus approximately every 1.626 tropical
years, Venus is first seen to rise heliacally just barely
visible about 4 days after inferior conjunction, becoming
progressively more prominent as the "bright morning star".
Venus is retrograde on average about 42 days, centered at
inferior conjunction. Venus advances against the backdrop
of the caelestial firmament with each heliacal rising, or
each maximum elongation, either superior or inferior, and
times of entering or leaving retrograde motion, etc, each
point in Venus' repetitive synodic motion is consistently
584 days apart on average. Subtract the 0.014 degrees per
tropical year of precession from Venus' progress, and you
see that Venus is advancing through the caelestial zodiac
on the average of around 585.15 degrees per tropical year.
So Venus will appear to advance 225.15 degrees every year.
In conclusion, every planet can be observed over time and
yield its sidereal and synodic periodicities. It's absurd
to believe that ancient astronomers couldn't deduce these
and other principles of orbital motion, solunars, eclipse
cycles & nodes, tropical, sidereal, anomalistic, draconic,
synodic, eclipse season, solar totality, planet-planet or
planet-star conjunctions and occultation series, etc. etc.
That Should Do It.
Daniel Joseph Min
*Min's Interlinear Translation of Nostradamus'
Preface Towards his son Cesar (brand new!):
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=ZRPX77PG3774...@Gilgamesh-frog.org
*Min's Interlinear Translation of Nostradamus'
Epistle Towards poor king Henry II of France:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=BIWWWJP33739...@Gilgamesh-frog.org
*Min's Light & Sound:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=6B50T76B3773...@Gilgamesh-frog.org
*Min's Compleat Tarot Manual:
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Astro-Magic <astro...@ninth.dimension> wrote:
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> On Sat, 10 May 2003, "Fornax" wrote:
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Quit morphing asshole!