Re: Digest for veteransindia@googlegroups.com - 2 Messages in 2 Topics

[Col Madan Sharma (Veteran)]

Indeed a very timely and useful information, thanks for sharing MM

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• ACTION TO BE TAKEN TO GET CHANGES INCORPORATED IN PAN DATA [1 Update]

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 ACTION TO BE TAKEN TO GET CHANGES INCORPORATED IN PAN DATA

Achuthan <ar.ac...@gmail.com> Jan 25 04:41PM -0800  

1. A chance conversation.....made me realise that there is a need to spread the news about actions many of us do not give a thought to.
 
2. All of us need to have Income Tax PAN numbers, spouses included (please be disabused of the idea that acquiring a PAN will make you liable to file an IT return). If the spouse does not have a PAN card, life can be pretty difficult in terms of getting the family pension flowing smoothly and also, in other issues (property etc).
 
MOST IMPORTANT
 
3. If you have ever changed your residence/address anytime after you have got a PAN, please do understand that you need to apply for incorporation of the new address in the records, by filling in a "Changes in PAN Data" form. Else, all IT advices and refunds/demands would go to one's previously recorded address, when PAN was issued. (Specially those retired in the past few years need to look into this)
 
4. Kindly go to a TIN facilitation centre , fill up a change request form, submit with payment , photographs (colour), and necessary supporting proofs of ID and address. You will get a NEW PAN card with the same old PAN number (and some recently introduced changes to PAN cards) by speed post within 10 days.
 
6. If you are comfortable with computers and on-line work, you can also apply & pay on line from home, and submit documents by speed post.
https://www.tin-nsdl.com/pan/correction.php


 

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[Inderjit Singh Gill]

Dear Veterans,

 

Does it mean that all PAN cards should be with COLOR photos? Earlier ones get invalidated

 

Pl advise

 

isgill

[Mahabir Saunriyal]

Dear Ex Sgt Achuthan,

            I must advise that you should not fall pray to policies of BABUDOM who always want us fauzi-veterans to

 be divided  into class, ranks, grades and trades so that our united voice for justice become fragmented . This boggy which you propound on veteran- plate-form is destructive to our cause. I shall give you a few brief points:-

1. I found to my surprise that ECHS over the time has greatly improved. I went to Medanta Medicity in Gurgaon, Artemis in

Gurgaon, Private Clinics around Delhi NCR only to feel cheated. 

2. The medicines issued by ECHS are original and cost effective. What you get outside in market is not reliable most of the times.

3. As a Sergeant, on promotion, you joined SNCO's Mess in IAF by leaving Airmen's Mess. You served, qualified, passed

promotion examinations to achieve that. You left Billet life of community living as an Airman(Air warrior) to have your personal accommodation of single living. IN EFFECT YOU EARNED IT TO DESERVE IT.

4. Can one imagine that a Secretary and LDC are alike in CGHS.

5. Our seniors are always helpful to juniors even when retired. Our respect to our seniors is part of our military ethos and Indian tradition as well.

 

Please desist from propounding divisive tendencies.

 

warm regards

 

yours

 

Wg Cdr Mahabir Singh Saunriyal(retd)

9910387771 

 

On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 3:10 AM, <vetera...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

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• Dear Veteran Achuthan, [1 Update]
• doc [1 Update]

 Dear Veteran Achuthan,

Achuthan <ar.ac...@gmail.com> Jan 30 07:21AM -0800  

Dear Sir,
 
Sorry, I only got to notice your response to my post today.
 
I am not saying that everything is topsy-turvy in ECHS or CSD. But there
are plenty of discriminatory actions being performed by these institutions,
who should have looked after all veterans in equal terms rather than by the
ranks held while in uniform. Yes, some considerations for the age should be
in order. But why do veterans officers get exempted from queuing up for the
token numbers at the ECHS clinics? Why are they allowed to enter the CSD
canteens with their family with children below 5 yrs also, while ORs are
denied that privilege.
 
I told about those two instances because, two veteran airmen mentioned them
at another veteran group. It seems the ECHS clinics allow veteran officers
to see the doctor or pharmacist without taking a token number unlike ORs
and JCOs. And one veteran complained that he was asked to leave his 3 yrs
old child outside because he is not allowed to take children below 5 yrs to
the CSD canteen, while veteran officers were allowed to take their children
irrespective of their age. How do you reconcile to that?
 
Sir, I am not being an "OR-chauvinist". But people demand equality at least
in such institutions as ECHS and CSD. IECHS do give some considerations for
the age, but that is negated by their action of discriminating actions
shown favoring the officer community. This should not be so, I feel.
 
I am particularly worried about the way the junior veterans from the IAF
are expressing themselves in social networking spaces. I do not know what
is happening in the IAF these days. All are bound to be frustrated with the
service life, but the way the youngsters are venting their spleens now are
in extremes. I simply can't fathom their anger. Has it gone so bad these
days? Or is it their accessibility to easier and faster communication
avenues that make them to express their frustrations so glaringly?
 
I can forward some comments to you personally, by these younger veterans,
if you need. I do not want them "published" here. I am sure you will be
surprised to see them.
 
 
Regards
 
Achuthan
 
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[Subodh Kamat]

I don't think such practices are adopted at ECHS Pune.I am nearing Eighty I still take my token No standing in line but do sometimes meet the Dr out of turn as that is the privilege given to me.
In case of Canteen if one knows the Rule it is prudent to observe it by not bringing small children with you.You are aware of the inconveniences caused to others on this ground. Best way is to ignore the  complaints and carry on as  such pers are used to making such complaints. I had the privilege of serving with some units where these men expected the officers to serve them at the Badakhana.

Subodh Kamat

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Subject: Digest for vetera...@googlegroups.com - 2 Messages in 2 Topics

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• Dear Veteran Achuthan, [1 Update]
• doc [1 Update]

 Dear Veteran Achuthan,

 doc

[Sujitkumar Parasar]

Dear Veterans, I totally agree with Wg Cdr Mahabir Singh and Col MM Sharma, if our 'PRIDE OF THE NATION' image is intact it is because of our rich Service Tradition; we the veterans are the strong NUT AND BOLTS to keep the 'Strong Pillar'  stronger..so what that we have to try hard to rectify the wrongs inthe system but that will also be conforming to our Service Decorum . SK Parasar.

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Achuthan <ar.ac...@gmail.com> Feb 01 07:09AM -0800  

Dear Wingco Mahabir Singh Sir,
 
You can rest assured that I will not do anything to jeopardize the unity of
veterans. Elsewhere, another veteran officer advised me not to crib. And
I am not "used to make such complaints" as another veteran wrote below. I
was and still am a very sincere and loyal airman (of course now ex-airman)
who always praise the service that I served in and cherish the memories of
my life in the AF and the people that I met there including many of my
superior officers. I have always said that what I am today is because of
the nourishment, both biological and intellectual, that I got from the AF,
and still say that with pride.
 
Complaining about anyone always brings out the worst response from those
who are complained about. What do you think the Babus of our country are
thinking about you and me when we complain that they are the root cause of
all our problems? What do you think the men in Olive Green thought about
the IAF's top brass when they complained that Army should not get the
attack helicopters because that way they are stepping on their toes? So
let's not say that just because I complained about something, I am the bad
boy.
 
Let's admit that we Indians have this class system deep-deep-deeply rooted
in our minds and every strata of the society and government are imbibed
with this trait, irrespective of whether they are uniformed or otherwise.
My voice is only against that trait. We need to introspect about this. And
for that what better platform than this veteran group where we have every
kind of rank in it?
 
Yes, I am disgusted by the so called "Ranks" because, the ranks in our
Indian context in military and civil are more appropriate in its adjective
form, than in its noun form.
 
I have worked and seen the behavior of people from very many nations
during the past 18 years after my retirement from the IAF and noticed that
everyone from the developed world treat their junior as colleagues when
they leave office after a day's work. Its only at work that someone is boss
and the other "under" him. The sooner one leaves one's work place, everyone
is equal. And if the boss is bossy even after working hours, the junior
will, and is entitled to show him the middle finger.
 
Returning to our topic, please understand that the present day OR veterans
are frustrated because of the treatment meted out to them even "after
leaving the work place", at such common facilities as the ECHS and CSD
outlets. We oldies can take that. But the youngsters are a generation
down. They just can't understand why this rank system still exist at those
places. Individual cases of better governance of these facilities being
narrated some veterans are to be ignored. We are talking about the policy
as a whole. Why not make it possible for the ORs to buy a particular type
of car through CSD? Do you think a retired Maj Gen would earn ten times the
income that a retired Sgt, as he used to while in service? That is a
fallacy. All OR veterans who come out of the service do not become
security guards at the bank. I vouch to say that there are plenty of
veterans from the OR category also who are well placed and/or
are entrepreneurs, who can afford a car of any type and model. So why
restrict it only to retired officers? Another instance is about not being
able to get admitted through ECHS to private rooms. ORs and their families
are asked to go to the general wards, whereas Officers are admitted to the
private rooms. Even if I am ready to pay for the private room, they won't
allow me. And if admitted in private rooms, I stand to lose my ECHS
sanction for treatment in that hospital. How could one reconcile to that?
 
Sir, I am not anti-officers. I too have relatives and friends in Indian
Armed Forces. Only last Sunday, I was hosting a serving officer couple at
my home. So, please discard any notion that I am cribbing etc etc.
 
Regards
 
Achuthan
 
Sgt (Retd)
 
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"Col Madan Sharma (Veteran)" <mada...@gmail.com> Feb 01 05:57AM +0530  

Dear Wg Cdr Mahabir Saunriyal, A very good and apt reply by you.
unfortunately one tends to forget about self while commenting on others. I
feel A General will remain General retired or serving nothing wrong in
giving his due to him similarly, a Subedar Major though retired will always
get his due. The ranks in forces are earned not granted and must be
respected retired or serving. Can I ever claim the in date of commission I
was senior to even the last Chief of Army Staff . This has to be understood
by all of us and respect the rank held by the person, Regards Madan M
Sharma
 
 
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[Mahabir Saunriyal]

I THINK A PERSON WHO IS CAPABLE OF  POSSESING HIGHER INCOME POST RETIREMENT, CAN NOT BY VIRTUE OF HIS WEALTH, HAVE A CLAIM OVER THOSE WHO WERE SENIOR TO HIM DURING SERVICE.

SECONDLY, A PERSON HAVING  LARGE RESOURCES CAN NOT BREAK QUES BY FLAUNT OF HIS WEALTH.

THIRDLY, ONE WHO CAN AFFORD AND BOASTS OF SUCH INCOME, SHOULD NOT DEPEND AND CRIB ABOUT CSD.

   dear Achuthan I hope and expect  unity amongst us.

 

Mahabir Singh Saunriyal

vetaran

Advocate

New Delhi.   

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Well said Wg Cdr Mahabir

With Regards

Col Rana

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On 04/02/2013, at 8:35 PM, Mahabir Saunriyal <mahabirsin...@gmail.com> wrote:

I THINK A PERSON WHO IS CAPABLE OF  POSSESING HIGHER INCOME POST RETIREMENT, CAN NOT BY VIRTUE OF HIS WEALTH, HAVE A CLAIM OVER THOSE WHO WERE SENIOR TO HIM DURING SERVICE.

SECONDLY, A PERSON HAVING  LARGE RESOURCES CAN NOT BREAK QUES BY FLAUNT OF HIS WEALTH.

THIRDLY, ONE WHO CAN AFFORD AND BOASTS OF SUCH INCOME, SHOULD NOT DEPEND AND CRIB ABOUT CSD.

   dear Achuthan I hope and expect  unity amongst us.

 

Mahabir Singh Saunriyal

vetaran

Advocate

New Delhi.   

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