the cowardly clown sneaks off to irak to avoid pm's questions....
abelard
meanwhile the unemployment rises inexorably....
76,000 more job-seekers in november...
woolworthless may well add another 30,000
'official' unemployment rises towards 2 million...
'i have ended boom and bust' saith the clown...
and i'm saving the world he moaned noisily...
and look how i really peally care....
by now the audience was asleep saving the nhs
millions in mogadon.....
regards
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aracari
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:45:31 +0100 'abelard'
wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>
>
>meanwhile the unemployment rises inexorably....
>76,000 more job-seekers in november...
>woolworthless may well add another 30,000
>'official' unemployment rises towards 2 million...
>
>
>'i have ended boom and bust' saith the clown...
>
>and i'm saving the world he moaned noisily...
>and look how i really peally care....
>
>by now the audience was asleep saving the nhs
> millions in mogadon.....
He'll have to employ a new army of jobsworths, to go round keeping
people awake to listen to his mantras ;-(
--
socialism is like chronic heart disease ...
you may not know you suffer from it, but it'll kill you in the end.
"David Davis For Freedom":
http://www.daviddavisforfreedom.com/
...the battle against totalitarian 'database Britain'
under Gordon Brown's NooLab socialist government.
DVH
"abelard" <abel...@abelard.org> wrote in message
news:llaik4ha3gcgjal41...@4ax.com...
>
But he has the BBC firmly on his side. Victory in Iraq. Basra is quieter
than ever... (but then so is North Korea). If we want to achieve great
accommodations with the Taliban in Afghanisatan we need to send the boys
there so that they can fight using ill-equipped landrovers. That way Gordon
can save the country money by betraying the army not piecemeal but
wholesale. It's important at a time of globle eekonomik downturn which
noboddy could of forseen.
> meanwhile the unemployment rises inexorably....
> 76,000 more job-seekers in november...
This is a readjustment. It's impossible to hire a good benefits supervisor
these days. Plenty of vacancies at the Job Centre. We'll need to bring in
qualified staff from Russia and wake this lady up:
> woolworthless may well add another 30,000
> 'official' unemployment rises towards 2 million...
>
>
> 'i have ended boom and bust' saith the clown...
He has, he has! We will now have seven years of lean and make the people eat
soil. MM will explain how nutritious that is, and suggest soil recipes
consistent with a healthy diet.
>
> and i'm saving the world he moaned noisily...
> and look how i really peally care....
>
> by now the audience was asleep saving the nhs
> millions in mogadon.....
Mogadon in Wales? Just beyond the caves of Criccieth where they killed the
Buffaloon?
Lou Ravi
[Brown]
> and i'm saving the world he moaned noisily...
No he didn't.
hummingbird
> But he has the BBC firmly on his side. Victory in Iraq. Basra
> is quieter than ever... (but then so is North Korea). If we
> want to achieve great accommodations with the Taliban in
> Afghanisatan we need to send the boys there so that they can
> fight using ill-equipped landrovers. That way Gordon can save
> the country money by betraying the army not piecemeal but
> wholesale. It's important at a time of globle eekonomik
> downturn which noboddy could of forseen.
Wars are notoriously expensive and shortfalls are all too common.
However you mae it sound as if it's the doing of just one man.
Please credit us with a bit of intelligence.
DVH
"hummingbird" <hummi...@whitehall.1212> wrote in message
news:Xns9B77B5F0...@204.153.245.22...
So you're involved too? Ha, that doesn't surprise me in the least. I've been
watching your posts and noting successive clues pointing to your tendencies.
But you will find your reward courtesy of Gordon as he personally skims off
the cream of the country's wealth with the New Labour (i.e. communist
infiltraitors) ladle. All you need do is sit there licking your whiskers and
defending Gordon on the internet while keeping your beady eye on him as he
fills the churn of plenty.
hummingbird
The problem seems to come from posters assigning the figurehead of
a party (Gordon Brown in this case) with executive capacity to
have done everything which is done by his administration. It was
never like that in any political system and it isn't like that
now. He may bear the ultimate responsibility but in reality that
can only be nominal.
Who else whould you want as premier? If politics involves
compromise then perhaps Gordon Brown is the least bad option.
BTW I don't follow your refs to communist infiltrators or Brown
filling his churn of plenty. Presumably these refer to the hard
left and to financial corruption of some sort.
-- help Dai Davis fight against Database Britain
http://www.daviddavisforfreedom.com/
extremism is like a chronic disease: it kills you in the end.
John Stubbings
DVH ol' boy. The labour party ain't the place to look for communist
infiltrators. Here's a bit of history you have conveniently forgotten.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Blunt
--
You gotta fight, for your right, to party...
Destroy the Triumvirate...
The best of the best in Freeware
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/
John Stubbings
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:45:31 +0100, abelard wrote:
> meanwhile the unemployment rises inexorably....
> 76,000 more job-seekers in november...
> woolworthless may well add another 30,000
> 'official' unemployment rises towards 2 million...
>
>
> 'i have ended boom and bust' saith the clown...
>
> and i'm saving the world he moaned noisily...
> and look how i really peally care....
>
> by now the audience was asleep saving the nhs
> millions in mogadon.....
abelard, you're not funny, please stop trying, it's embarrassing, we have
foreign visitors, and a reputation to keep up.
If you're going to criticise our great leader then at least stop the silly
exaggeration. For example, anyone with a brain could see Woolworths had
lost the plot management wise years ago, hardly Mr Brown's fault. The likes
of pound shops and Wilkinsons stole their market. It's business, the
recession just hastened the end... and the title really... tut tut
I really don't see the point of posts like this.
abelard
<anna.riceD...@virgin.net> wrote:
>
>On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:45:31 +0100, abelard wrote:
>
>> meanwhile the unemployment rises inexorably....
>> 76,000 more job-seekers in november...
>> woolworthless may well add another 30,000
>> 'official' unemployment rises towards 2 million...
>>
>>
>> 'i have ended boom and bust' saith the clown...
>>
>> and i'm saving the world he moaned noisily...
>> and look how i really peally care....
>>
>> by now the audience was asleep saving the nhs
>> millions in mogadon.....
>abelard, you're not funny, please stop trying, it's embarrassing, we have
>foreign visitors, and a reputation to keep up.
you wanna troll....i'm game...
>If you're going to criticise our great leader then at least stop the silly
>exaggeration. For example, anyone with a brain could see Woolworths had
>lost the plot management wise years ago, hardly Mr Brown's fault. The likes
>of pound shops and Wilkinsons stole their market. It's business, the
>recession just hastened the end... and the title really... tut tut
you're an idiot.....
1)markets don't belong to particular corporations.....
2)the clown has bled the private economy dry...the mismanagement by
the clown is what is causing the squeeze on uk standards of
living...
the private sector is being crowded out...this is just nationalisation
by alternate means...
huge parts of the population turned into government clients and
supplicants...
banks and railways nationalised....
chain shops taxed out of profitability....
>I really don't see the point of posts like this.
i realise that...
you may learn if you stick around...
you are ordered to tune to the bbc and buy the groaniad or the
men in black will be at your door!
any subversive literature will be removed and your computer impounded
aracari
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:22:06 +0000 'John Stubbings'
wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:45:31 +0100, abelard wrote:
>
>> meanwhile the unemployment rises inexorably....
>> 76,000 more job-seekers in november...
>> woolworthless may well add another 30,000
>> 'official' unemployment rises towards 2 million...
>>
>>
>> 'i have ended boom and bust' saith the clown...
>>
>> and i'm saving the world he moaned noisily...
>> and look how i really peally care....
>>
>> by now the audience was asleep saving the nhs
>> millions in mogadon.....
>
>
>abelard, you're not funny, please stop trying, it's embarrassing, we have
>foreign visitors, and a reputation to keep up.
>
>If you're going to criticise our great leader then at least stop the silly
>exaggeration. For example, anyone with a brain could see Woolworths had
>lost the plot management wise years ago, hardly Mr Brown's fault. The likes
>of pound shops and Wilkinsons stole their market. It's business, the
>recession just hastened the end... and the title really... tut tut
>
>I really don't see the point of posts like this.
The point John is that you are Franklin's, sorry hummingbird's,
new puppy dog following him to uk.p.m. when he asks for help.
Right?
job...@hushmail.com
> On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:22:06 +0000, John Stubbings
>
>
>
> <anna.riceDELETE-T...@virgin.net> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:45:31 +0100, abelard wrote:
>
> >> meanwhile the unemployment rises inexorably....
> >> 76,000 more job-seekers in november...
> >> woolworthless may well add another 30,000
> >> 'official' unemployment rises towards 2 million...
>
> >> 'i have ended boom and bust' saith the clown...
>
> >> and i'm saving the world he moaned noisily...
> >> and look how i really peally care....
>
> >> by now the audience was asleep saving the nhs
> >> millions in mogadon.....
> >abelard, you're not funny, please stop trying, it's embarrassing, we have
> >foreign visitors, and a reputation to keep up.
>
> you wanna troll....i'm game...
>
> >If you're going to criticise our great leader then at least stop the silly
> >exaggeration. For example, anyone with a brain could see Woolworths had
> >lost the plot management wise years ago, hardly Mr Brown's fault. The likes
> >of pound shops and Wilkinsons stole their market. It's business, the
> >recession just hastened the end... and the title really... tut tut
Although Wilkinsons are also shedding jobs:
http://current.com/items/89571968/1_500_face_losing_jobs_at_wilkinson.htm
> you're an idiot.....
> 1)markets don't belong to particular corporations.....
> 2)the clown has bled the private economy dry...the mismanagement by
> the clown is what is causing the squeeze on uk standards of
> living...
So do you disagree with Cameron's call to prosecute bankers?
'“IRRESPONSIBLE” City bankers who fuelled Britain's credit crisis
should be rooted out, prosecuted and sent to jail, David Cameron said
today.
The Tory leader called for American-style prison sentences for
financiers who lied and cheated in the boom years.
In a scathing speech, he accused Gordon Brown of “a failure of moral
leadership” over the lack of criminal charges brought against
individuals by City watchdogs.
Mr Cameron pledged that a Conservative government would see a “day of
reckoning” for those behind the turmoil as he announced a string of
reforms to toughen sanctions.
Warning that “there cannot be one law for the rich and another for
everyone else”, he called for Britain to copy America with jail
sentences of up to 24 years for those caught swindling the system.'
abelard
any who've broken the law.....
>http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23602004-details/Cameron%3A+Jail+the+cheating+bankers+who+act+just+like+muggers/article.do
>
>'“IRRESPONSIBLE” City bankers who fuelled Britain's credit crisis
>should be rooted out, prosecuted and sent to jail, David Cameron said
>today.
>
>The Tory leader called for American-style prison sentences for
>financiers who lied and cheated in the boom years.
>
>In a scathing speech, he accused Gordon Brown of “a failure of moral
>leadership” over the lack of criminal charges brought against
>individuals by City watchdogs.
>
>Mr Cameron pledged that a Conservative government would see a “day of
>reckoning” for those behind the turmoil as he announced a string of
>reforms to toughen sanctions.
>
>Warning that “there cannot be one law for the rich and another for
>everyone else”, he called for Britain to copy America with jail
>sentences of up to 24 years for those caught swindling the system.'
i'm ok with that...and doubtless it will appeal to some of dubious
intelligence.
you can't let the clown have all the stupid voters....
regards...
DVH
"hummingbird" <hummi...@whitehall.1212> wrote in message
It was like that under the Caesars, the Medici, Hitler, Mussolini, President
Thaksin, Napoleon and countless others.
> He may bear the ultimate responsibility but in reality that
> can only be nominal.
So, the Brownian running-dogs are out in force tonight. It's entertaining to
watch them frantically trying to prop up their master's repuation.
>
> Who else whould you want as premier?
Dozens of people would be better. Even Millipede would be better. Apart from
that Cameron, Bobby Jindal, Vaclav Klaus, Christian X of Denmark would do.
> If politics involves
> compromise then perhaps Gordon Brown is the least bad option.
The dreadful bovine Brown is a dishonest marxist control freak.
>
>
>
> BTW I don't follow your refs to communist infiltrators or Brown
> filling his churn of plenty. Presumably these refer to the hard
> left and to financial corruption of some sort.
Vote for Brown and he will give you your reward.
John Stubbings
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:41:43 +0000, aracari wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:22:06 +0000 'John Stubbings'
> wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>
>>On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:45:31 +0100, abelard wrote:
>>
>>> meanwhile the unemployment rises inexorably....
>>> 76,000 more job-seekers in november...
>>> woolworthless may well add another 30,000
>>> 'official' unemployment rises towards 2 million...
>>>
>>>
>>> 'i have ended boom and bust' saith the clown...
>>>
>>> and i'm saving the world he moaned noisily...
>>> and look how i really peally care....
>>>
>>> by now the audience was asleep saving the nhs
>>> millions in mogadon.....
>>
>>
>>abelard, you're not funny, please stop trying, it's embarrassing, we have
>>foreign visitors, and a reputation to keep up.
>>
>>If you're going to criticise our great leader then at least stop the silly
>>exaggeration. For example, anyone with a brain could see Woolworths had
>>lost the plot management wise years ago, hardly Mr Brown's fault. The likes
>>of pound shops and Wilkinsons stole their market. It's business, the
>>recession just hastened the end... and the title really... tut tut
>>
>>I really don't see the point of posts like this.
>
> The point John is that you are Franklin's, sorry hummingbird's,
> new puppy dog following him to uk.p.m. when he asks for help.
> Right?
I am a UK citizen. I contribute to the UK coffers. I'll say whatever I
like.
What are you so scared of? abelard needs a bit of stick. It's good for him.
Even he knows that. He's just preaching to the converted. Not a learning
experience really. He'll grow to like me. I don't think he's really
bothered, but it's unsettling for you I know.
Now why don't you go off and fabricate some 'evidence' against me...
The last attempt was pathetic. See how I taunted you and your sockpuppet.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/5818ea57b1ca90b1
abelard
the patronage of the uk pm is damned near unlimited........
he has far more power than most pms or presidents....
you live in an elective democracy....
though this time he wasn't even elected.....
in fact, at the last election the british were specifically 'promised'
that voting bliar would not result in the clown getting to no. 10
he's a usurper with no genuine mandate
John Stubbings
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:37:58 +0100, abelard wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:22:06 +0000, John Stubbings
> <anna.riceD...@virgin.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:45:31 +0100, abelard wrote:
>>
>>> meanwhile the unemployment rises inexorably....
>>> 76,000 more job-seekers in november...
>>> woolworthless may well add another 30,000
>>> 'official' unemployment rises towards 2 million...
>>>
>>>
>>> 'i have ended boom and bust' saith the clown...
>>>
>>> and i'm saving the world he moaned noisily...
>>> and look how i really peally care....
>>>
>>> by now the audience was asleep saving the nhs
>>> millions in mogadon.....
>
>>abelard, you're not funny, please stop trying, it's embarrassing, we have
>>foreign visitors, and a reputation to keep up.
>
> you wanna troll....i'm game...
Dear Mr abelard, pot, kettle ol' boy. I mean this original post was a
troll, can't you see that? Course you can. If you can't I'll explain
further...
>
>>If you're going to criticise our great leader then at least stop the silly
>>exaggeration. For example, anyone with a brain could see Woolworths had
>>lost the plot management wise years ago, hardly Mr Brown's fault. The likes
>>of pound shops and Wilkinsons stole their market. It's business, the
>>recession just hastened the end... and the title really... tut tut
>
> you're an idiot.....
> 1)markets don't belong to particular corporations.....
> 2)the clown has bled the private economy dry...the mismanagement by
> the clown is what is causing the squeeze on uk standards of
> living...
>
> the private sector is being crowded out...this is just nationalisation
> by alternate means...
> huge parts of the population turned into government clients and
> supplicants...
> banks and railways nationalised....
> chain shops taxed out of profitability....
we're doomed I tell yer... Do you think I should emigrate :o
>
>>I really don't see the point of posts like this.
>
> i realise that...
> you may learn if you stick around...
>
> you are ordered to tune to the bbc and buy the groaniad or the
> men in black will be at your door!
> any subversive literature will be removed and your computer impounded
abelard, preaching to the converted is for silly billies. Let me explain,
tell me to stop if I'm teaching granny to suck eggs, but it's like this. If
you have a customer who likes your product, you know... keep in touch like,
but to expand you need to find new customers. Why put so much effort into
this sillyness? Look at yourself read hard, I mean it, I know I've got yer
goat up, but ask yerself, is this real effective like... it's not, let me
tell you, i can't make head nor tail of wot the fuk yooous on about... it's
a very confused message like... one little sillyness jus casts doubt on the
rest of wot yer sayin'
now listen to johnnie
1) cut down on the sillyness
2) present your arguments so the uninitiated can understand them
3) learn to love me
4) be a little more constructive and even handed, it helps street cred
wise. Poo pooing your opponents all the time jus becomes a big yawn
experience
abelard
<anna.riceD...@virgin.net> wrote:
i'm content to watch you drown...
i won't even throw you a lifebuoy...
John Stubbings
hey, hummer, let's play spot the credible counter argument...
can't see a single one...
aracari
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:21:15 +0000 'John Stubbings'
wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>I am a UK citizen. I contribute to the UK coffers. I'll say whatever I
>like.
I'll take your word for that. And ... ... ... ?
>What are you so scared of? abelard needs a bit of stick. It's good for him.
>Even he knows that. He's just preaching to the converted. Not a learning
>experience really. He'll grow to like me. I don't think he's really
>bothered, but it's unsettling for you I know.
Not at all. What interests me, in the context of studying
behavioural disorders, is how you and your evil psychopathic
master "Franklin" (sorry, he uses 'hummingbird' here) suddenly
choose to start posting on uk.p.m. out of 50,000 other newsgroups,
especially given that neither of you have any genuine interest in
the subject nor know much about it. Thus you spend your time
sniping and attacking a few regular posters. Why do that?
I'm sure you can understand that I believe it's because I post
here and you've just followed me here like puppy dog stalkers
to cause yet more acrimony, as you both do on ACF against
several posters.
In fact Franklin makes a big noise about it and even hijacked
my ACF posting name to use on here and fills up his headers with
his puerile lies and nonsense.
Do you consider all that to be normal behaviour?
I've been watching Franklin's tactics here, and they're exactly
the same as he's used on ACF for 18 months. He uses the same
MO all the time.
I keep telling yer John, you've chosen the wrong person to
hang out with ... Franklin will destroy your name on ACF just
like his own and you'll get killfiled by more and more people,
just like him.
Then what?
-we are judged by the company we keep.
-lie with a dog and you'll pick up fleas.
It's always your choice.
>Now why don't you go off and fabricate some 'evidence' against me...
About forging abelard's posting name?
I already produced evidence and you quoted some of it in that post
below. But there was more in my original post on ACF as you know.
>The last attempt was pathetic. See how I taunted you and your sockpuppet.
You need to look up the meaning of the word sockpuppet.
Sockpuppets are what Franklin has used 120+ times to wriggle
around killfiles or deliberately to cause annoyance to others.
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/5818ea57b1ca90b1
John Stubbings
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:02:38 +0000, aracari wrote:
<snipped quickly to avoid onset of nausea>
OMG, there's no content worth replying to :o
No style either...
aracari
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:25:31 +0000 'John Stubbings'
wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:02:38 +0000, aracari wrote:
>
><snipped quickly to avoid onset of nausea>
>
>OMG, there's no content worth replying to :o
>
>No style either...
Sorry, I'll try to use smaller words in future...
John Stubbings
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 02:11:19 +0000, aracari wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:25:31 +0000 'John Stubbings'
> wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>
>>On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:02:38 +0000, aracari wrote:
>>
>><snipped quickly to avoid onset of nausea>
>>
>>OMG, there's no content worth replying to :o
>>
>>No style either...
>
>
> Sorry, I'll try to use smaller words in future...
Good, put them in a sentence that's interesting next time as well...
aracari
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 02:12:57 +0000 'John Stubbings'
wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 02:11:19 +0000, aracari wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:25:31 +0000 'John Stubbings'
>> wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>>
>>>On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:02:38 +0000, aracari wrote:
>>>
>>><snipped quickly to avoid onset of nausea>
>>>
>>>OMG, there's no content worth replying to :o
>>>
>>>No style either...
>>
>>
>> Sorry, I'll try to use smaller words in future...
>
>Good, put them in a sentence that's interesting next time as well...
I might even add some pretty pictures for you too:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3013/2710211614_d220d489c5_o.jpg
DVH
"John Stubbings" <anna.riceD...@virgin.net> wrote in message
news:gic4hq$qlt$1...@news.motzarella.org...
Exactly. However, if "hummingbird" posts in good faith rather than under
somebody else's name, then I'll take him seriously and put some thought into
my responses.
But in any case, why are you whinging? I'm only one poster - other people
are taking him (and you) seriously, so you've no particular reason to feel
insulted or injured.
John Stubbings
I don't feel insulted or injured.
Bit knackered to be honest. Thanks for your concern.
Have you found any communists in the link I posted? They turn up places you
just wouldn't expect eh! Places you just wouldn't expect...
DVH
I didn't look. Give me a compelling reason to...
John Stubbings
My mistake, I realise facts are of no interest to you.
Just keep churning out the FUD...
DVH
What facts? What link? Why should I visit it?
> Just keep churning out the FUD...
Here I am giving you attention, and you go all defensive. Or perhaps you're
suffering from something.
John Stubbings
nausea...
hummingbird
>
> "hummingbird" <hummi...@whitehall.1212> wrote in message
>> [...]
>
> It was like that under the Caesars, the Medici, Hitler,
> Mussolini, President Thaksin, Napoleon and countless others.
>
>
> So, the Brownian running-dogs are out in force tonight. It's
> entertaining to watch them frantically trying to prop up their
> master's repuation.
>
>
> Dozens of people would be better. Even Millipede would be
> better. Apart from that Cameron, Bobby Jindal, Vaclav Klaus,
> Christian X of Denmark would do.
>
>
> The dreadful bovine Brown is a dishonest marxist control freak.
>
>
> Vote for Brown and he will give you your reward.
There's no need to be the provocateur just because I feel you haven't
attributed responsibility correctly in the political structure.
Can you honestly say that your list of "the Caesars, the Medici,
Hitler, Mussolini, President Thaksin, Napoleon and countless others"
all micromanaged their administrations? They would have had to be
superhuman. Each has to delegate and each may not know all that
happens until it becomes a problem. One only has to see the heated
debates (no need to rehearse them here) about who in Hitler's wartime
administration knew or did not know about organised killing in the
concentration camps.
hummingbird
I may have misunderstood but I did rather think you raised the matter
of communist infiltrators in your post. It seemed you held views
about them although I'm not clear what it was you were referring to.
news:49493ed2$0$510$bed6...@news.gradwell.net
hummingbird
DVH old chap,
I suspect the apparent evasiveness of your replies and a seeming
unwillingness to properly debate anything is proving tiresome.
I am sure you do not mean to give those impressions but that's how
it seems.
hummingbird
I can see that Gordon Brown might well be viewed as a usurper but
isn't that an inherent problem of the British system whereby one's
representatives (MPs) elect their party leader.
Representative democracy is almost always going to provide some
decision which the electorate would not have voted for if given a
direct vote.
Is it really Gordon Brown's fault that he stood and British MPs voted
him in?
Onthe other point, of course he is responsible for the cocks up he
makes while in power but just because observers such as DVH may not
like all that happens during his tenure does not mean he is directly
responsible for them.
I do take your point about the power of the UK PM being wideranging.
Indeed I suspect the courts may get called from time to time to
determine if he has acted beyond his authority. The British Prime
Minister sometimes seems to act in the same way as a head of state.
hummingbird
>
> So do you disagree with Cameron's call to prosecute bankers?
>
String 'em up.
The process of doing that has already started in the US.
In the US people like Madoff may not get such an easy ride as they
may have had in the more clubby political atmosphere of the UK or
France.
--
Dai Davis : http://www.daviddavisforfreedom.com/
hummingbird
>
> On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:21:15 +0000 'John Stubbings' wrote this
> on uk.politics.misc:
>
>>I am a UK citizen. I contribute to the UK coffers. I'll say
>>whatever I like.
>
> I'll take your word for that. And ... ... ... ?
>
>
>>What are you so scared of? abelard needs a bit of stick. It's
>>good for him. Even he knows that. He's just preaching to the
>>converted. Not a learning experience really. He'll grow to like
>>me. I don't think he's really bothered, but it's unsettling for
>>you I know.
>
> Not at all. What interests me, in the context of studying
> behavioural disorders, is how you and your evil psychopathic
> master "Franklin" (sorry, he uses 'hummingbird' here) suddenly
> choose to start posting on uk.p.m. out of 50,000 other
> newsgroups, especially given that neither of you have any
> genuine interest in the subject nor know much about it. Thus you
> spend your time sniping and attacking a few regular posters. Why
> do that?
I may not have had an interest in UK politics but I did my homework
to see why you had been so disliked in U.P.M. in your previous
incarnations. As I did I found I rather enjoyed the group and would
like to post here.
And all thanks to you! Who says no good outcome ever results from
dealing with an evil person like you. They were wrong. It's good to
be here.
> I'm sure you can understand that I believe it's because I post
> here and you've just followed me here like puppy dog stalkers
> to cause yet more acrimony, as you both do on ACF against
> several posters. In fact Franklin makes a big noise about it and
> even hijacked my ACF posting name to use on here and fills up
> his headers with his puerile lies and nonsense. Do you consider
> all that to be normal behaviour?
That's a strange thing to say. Have you ever read your headers in
ACF? They show the abuse and harrassment you have given me.
X-Franklin exposed for evil behaviour on
<alt.comp.freeware>: http://preview.tinyurl.com
/5vukca
X-Franklin rebuked by more posters on <alt.comp.
freeware>: http://preview.tinyurl.com/5sjbkb
X-Franklin's regular news provider: ab...@octanews.net
Please send abuse reports regularly.
John has taken the trouble to actually follow up your references and
he's seen for himself how baseless almost every one of your
allegations actually are. I think he probably feels you have been
attempting to dupe people like him and is offended by that.
> I've been watching Franklin's tactics here, and they're exactly
> the same as he's used on ACF for 18 months. He uses the same MO
> all the time.
>
> I keep telling yer John, you've chosen the wrong person to hang
> out with ... Franklin will destroy your name on ACF just like
> his own and you'll get killfiled by more and more people, just
> like him. Then what?
>
> -we are judged by the company we keep.
> -lie with a dog and you'll pick up fleas.
>
> It's always your choice.
>
I think John prefers to associate with someone who doesn't show a
high level of hypocrisy and duplicity hidden behind loud protests
about other people.
You try to destroy people on the Usenet and you use any underhand
means that you can, honorable or not.
>
>>Now why don't you go off and fabricate some 'evidence' against
>>me...
>
> About forging abelard's posting name?
>
> I already produced evidence and you quoted some of it in that
> post below. But there was more in my original post on ACF as you
> know.
>
>>The last attempt was pathetic. See how I taunted you and your
>>sockpuppet.
>
> You need to look up the meaning of the word sockpuppet.
>
> Sockpuppets are what Franklin has used 120+ times to wriggle
> around killfiles or deliberately to cause annoyance to others.
>
>>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/5818ea57b1ca
>>90b1
That happens to a good example of falsity and hypocrisy. Most of
those 120 plus allegations are when I changed something as trivial as
a change to my email address. No one honestly calls that
"sockpuppetry" but you won't stop calling it anything else despite
knowing the falsity of what you are doing.
It's just another nasty intimidation tactic of yours. I am sorry but
I won't be intimidated by such underhand methods.
hummingbird
>
> On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 02:12:57 +0000 'John Stubbings'
> wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>
>>On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 02:11:19 +0000, aracari wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:25:31 +0000 'John Stubbings'
>>> wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:02:38 +0000, aracari wrote:
>>>>
>>>><snipped quickly to avoid onset of nausea>
>>>>
>>>>OMG, there's no content worth replying to :o
>>>>
>>>>No style either...
>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry, I'll try to use smaller words in future...
>>
>>Good, put them in a sentence that's interesting next time as
>>well...
>
> I might even add some pretty pictures for you too:
> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3013/2710211614_d220d489c5_o.jpg
>
Child. Behave yourself.
abelard
<hummi...@whitehall.1212> wrote:
>On Wed 17 Dec08 22:33, abelard <abel...@abelard.org> wrote
>> the patronage of the uk pm is damned near unlimited........
>> he has far more power than most pms or presidents....
>>
>> you live in an elective democracy....
correction....that should read elective dictatorship
>> though this time he wasn't even elected.....
>>
>> in fact, at the last election the british were specifically
>> 'promised' that voting bliar would not result in the clown
>> getting to no. 10
>>
>> he's a usurper with no genuine mandate
>I can see that Gordon Brown might well be viewed as a usurper but
>isn't that an inherent problem of the British system whereby one's
>representatives (MPs) elect their party leader.
it is not usual for a party leader to promise to serve out a full
...bliar 'promised' just that on behalf of 'new' labour...
>Representative democracy is almost always going to provide some
>decision which the electorate would not have voted for if given a
>direct vote.
i'm am very content with representative democracy in a land
of fools....
but in the uk there is no serious constitution.....
the government is highly enamoured of secrecy....
and voting a leader separately would be no great shame or
problem
>Is it really Gordon Brown's fault that he stood and British MPs voted
>him in?
yes, he was part of the prior 'agreement'
he and his party reneged on that 'agreement' for personal gain
>Onthe other point, of course he is responsible for the cocks up he
>makes while in power but just because observers such as DVH may not
>like all that happens during his tenure does not mean he is directly
>responsible for them.
as he has such great power it is hard to see how it could be otherwise
further, he keeps trying to claim credit even when he's lying about
his multiple errors
>I do take your point about the power of the UK PM being wideranging.
>Indeed I suspect the courts may get called from time to time to
>determine if he has acted beyond his authority. The British Prime
>Minister sometimes seems to act in the same way as a head of state.
in the end they also appoint the judiciary
John Stubbings
Well, as you know Franklin/Hummingbird, I only came out from behind my
killfiles to ask 'Bear Bottoms' to be less noisy, because his postings were
so prolific and deliberately provocative.
I even posted my agenda which stated clearly my intentions. I had no
opinion of or issue with either you or aracari. I stated that also.
My issue with 'Bear Bottoms' was none of aracari's business, but he chose
to intervene and fabricate a forging allegation against me, which I later
debunked.
I was frankly astonished at such behavior.
He even chose to use abelard postings as the forgeries to get back at me...
I note that when aracari fabricated the forging issue at no time did BB get
involved, or from my recollection has ever commented on.
My 'introduction' to this group was less than civil, abelard was arrogant
and rude [I note he's calling you 'dopey' now. It seems to be his MO when
he starts losing] but I can give as good as I get, I don't need to get back
at people by forging or have hordes of sockpuppets to do my dirty work.
...and you're quite right, I have taken the time to investigate aracari's
references and yours as well. I and others have noted aracari's complete
contempt for people in ACF in assuming they won't check his endless
deceitful waffle.
As iNcReDuLoUs said the other day.
That's one of hummingbird's standard, often-used, kook tactics.
DVH
"hummingbird" <hummi...@whitehall.1212> wrote in message
Fascinating stuff. Thanks for telling me.
aracari
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:53:57 GMT "FRANKLIN" posting as
'hummingbird'wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>On Thu 18 Dec08 11:19, DVH <d...@vhvhvhvh.com> wrote
>> Here I am giving you attention, and you go all defensive. Or
>> perhaps you're suffering from something.
>DVH old chap,
>
>I suspect the apparent evasiveness of your replies and a seeming
>unwillingness to properly debate anything is proving tiresome.
Franklin,
if you want something to discuss, try answering this:
Why did you make this post on <news.software.readers> several
days ago which contains at least three blatant lies:
1. hummingbird's (ME on ACF) name is not chris millbank and
2. hummingbird (ME on ACF) has nothing whatsoever to do with
the BNP.
3. Chris (whoever you think he is) does not post as Hummingbird
on ACF, I do (apart from 100-200 of your forgeries in my name).
<quote>
>From: "Chris Millbank (Hummingbird)" <chris.m...@BNP.com>
>Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 08:01:54 GMT
>Organization: note; Chris posts as Hummingbird in ACF. I am a different poster.
>Message-ID: <Xns9B7251B...@204.153.245.22>
</quote>
John Stubbings
I was simply pointing out that communist infiltrators don't necessarily
hang out just in New Labour's ranks. I guess this has never occurred to
you. You being blinded by your hatred for our great leader and all. You
should really try and deal with that, the NHS is stretched as it is. I'm
doing you a favour here, really, look out behind you, now say thankee
johnnie.
DVH
OK.
hummingbird
>
> On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:53:57 GMT "FRANKLIN" posting as
> 'hummingbird'wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>
>> [...]
>>
>> [...]
>
> Franklin,
> if you want something to discuss, try answering this:
>
> Why did you make this post on <news.software.readers> several
> days ago which contains at least three blatant lies:
>
> 1. hummingbird's (ME on ACF) name is not chris millbank and
>
> 2. hummingbird (ME on ACF) has nothing whatsoever to do with
> the BNP.
>
> 3. Chris (whoever you think he is) does not post as Hummingbird
> on ACF, I do (apart from 100-200 of your forgeries in my name).
>
Hello Aracari
Based on what you say there must be another person, called Chris
Millbank, posting as Hummingbird. That must be the Chris Millbank
who got very upset when Jon started a thread in ACF a year or two ago
called "Hummingbird, This Is Your Life".
Then that Chris Millbank said he didn't want his previous messages
reposting because he had foolishly said a lot about himself and since
then he had made very many enemies who would be only too pleased to
know about him.
That's the Hummingbird I'm referring to. Very right wing views which
Billy in U.P.M. pointed out. Holocaust denier, etc. Takes an
interest in BNP affairs and has even reposted their material.
Condoned paedophilia, necrophilia, cannibalism, sadistic, brutality,
masochism and human sacrifice in UP - behaviour which any sane
society would see as dangerously immoral. Then lied about the
condoning!
It is also said about Chris that
"You have been rumbled but still lie in your teeth
without any trace of shame. However, I am glad you
directed me to Google because I have found out how
you achieved your deviousness".
See
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/4cbcccfc3bea7c74
hummingbird
<anna.riceD...@virgin.net> wrote
>
> [snip]
>
> My 'introduction' to this group was less than civil, abelard was
> arrogant and rude [I note he's calling you 'dopey' now. It seems
> to be his MO when he starts losing] but I can give as good as I
> get, I don't need to get back at people by forging or have
> hordes of sockpuppets to do my dirty work.
>
Abelard's a scream isn't he? He sits here thinking he's the
paterfamilias of uk.politics.misc dispensing wisdom and extreme
views.
In practise, Abelard may be an intelligent bloke but he's not got
much common sense. However he doesn't bear a grudge because, as the
UPM archives show, he and Hummingbird used to have long bitter
exchanges with name calling on all sides. Now out two wannabe-
intellectuals hold court here in UPM.
Being called "dopey" by someone as obviously eccentric as Abelard
seems to be the sort of thing he dishes to out to almost anybody.
In the new tradition of UPM I must not end this post without dissing
Gordon Brown for personal responsibility for something he has little
involvement in like the limited opening hours of many shops.
Lou Ravi
> Dear Mr abelard, pot, kettle ol' boy. I mean this original post was a
> troll, can't you see that? Course you can. If you can't I'll explain
> further...
Actually the OP was Abelard himself.
> I know I've got yer goat up
His llama surely.
aracari
On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:55:29 GMT 'hummingbird'
wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>On Fri 19 Dec08 00:35, aracari <spam...@vailable.here.com> wrote
>
>>
>> On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:53:57 GMT "FRANKLIN" posting as
>> 'hummingbird'wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> [...]
>>
>> Franklin,
>> if you want something to discuss, try answering this:
>>
>> Why did you make this post on <news.software.readers> several
>> days ago which contains at least three blatant lies:
>>
>> 1. hummingbird's (ME on ACF) name is not chris millbank and
>>
>> 2. hummingbird (ME on ACF) has nothing whatsoever to do with
>> the BNP.
>>
>> 3. Chris (whoever you think he is) does not post as Hummingbird
>> on ACF, I do (apart from 100-200 of your forgeries in my name).
>>
>
>
>Hello Aracari
-big snip of Franklin's usual delusional tripe-
Franklin, why don't you try answering the question instead of
posting yet another round of your boring delusions?
Here it is again in case it flew right over your head:
----------------------------------------------------
Why did you make this post on <news.software.readers> several
days ago which contains at least three blatant lies:
1. hummingbird's (ME on ACF) name is not chris millbank and
2. hummingbird (ME on ACF) has nothing whatsoever to do with
the BNP.
3. Chris (whoever you think he is) does not post as Hummingbird
on ACF, I do (apart from 100-200 of your forgeries in my name).
<quote>
>From: "Chris Millbank (Hummingbird)" <chris.m...@BNP.com>
>Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 08:01:54 GMT
>Organization: note; Chris posts as Hummingbird in ACF. I am a different poster.
>Message-ID: <Xns9B7251B...@204.153.245.22>
</quote>
----------------------------------------------------
Just for good measure, here's yet another post made by you to
another newsgroup, which contains the same lies. You might like
to explain this too:
<quote>
>Newsgroups: alt.free.newsservers
>From: "Chris Millbank (Hummingbird)" <chris.m...@BNP.com>
>Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:48:06 GMT
>Organization: note; Chris posts as Hummingbird in ACF. I am a different poster.
>Message-ID: <Xns9B72A0B...@204.153.245.20>
</quote>
Please spare me yet another round of your fantasy stories...