[IMPT] Pricelessware consensus for temporary point person

Me.Here

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Dec 14, 2008, 2:37:26 AM12/14/08

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[IMPORTANT] This is a time of peace to all people when squabbles
normally get overlooked. Susan Bugher's Obituary Notice on the 13th is
a serious transgression of good taste and out of character with the ACF
FAQ. ACF can not have a point person who has started to behave like that.

Given recent events, I thought it may be prudent to get the groups
feelings regarding the point person for ACF. Please note, I have *no*
ulterior motive in doing this outside of wanting to know the group's
wishes in regards to Pricelessware. With that in mind, I've devised a
series of rules aimed at obtaining what ACF participants would like to
see happen. For this to work, please be honest in your answers and try
not to let personal grievances dictate your responses. I'll let it run
for a period of time and at the end, tally the results.

The FAQ permits immediate action in an emergency. I propose a poll to
determine a temporary point person to immediately replace Susan. No one
need stand explicitly as that will delay the return of ACF to normality.

Please reply to this thread to vote for a person to take temporary
immediate charge of ACF liaison and the Pricelessware website.

To make it fair, forgeries, known sockpuppets and anonymous posters with
no posting history in alt.comp.freeware will be discounted. To be
absolutely fair, I will, however, modify my filters to allow all those
currently in my bozo bin a voice in this particular thread.

To keep this thread from going to the shithouse like so many before, I
ask that people don't respond to any other post, just post your answers
and leave it at that. If you feel you *must* take issue with someone's
post, please make a new thread and subject so as not to pollute this one.

Rule 1.
You have three votes. For your submission to count vote for your three
most favoured people to replace Susan. Show your preference by marking
each with 1, 2 or 3. No repeated numbers are permitted.

Rule 2.
You do not have to use all 3 votes in one submission. Votes which are
not used can be used in a later submission. However individual votes 1,2
or 3 which have already been cast can not be changed.

Rule 3.
You may vote for the same person only once. You may make one of the
votes for yourself.

Rule 4.
Do not use your response for personal attacks or to reference another
posters answers. Feel free to expand on your response, however,

Rule 5.
The rules may be amended according to circumstance if it turns out
unforeseen matters arise. This will not invalidate votes already cast.

Rule 6.
The poll is supervised by me and I will be the judge to resolve any
matters of dispute, if any, which may arise.

Rule 7.
Breaking any of the above rules nullifies your entire vote.

If the voting is inconclusive I am willing to take over Susan's role on
a purely temporary basis until aother poll is arranged.

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alvey

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Dec 14, 2008, 3:01:13 AM12/14/08

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On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 07:37:26 +0000, Me.Here wrote:

You're a marvel.
How can somebody be simultaneously senile AND infantile?

alvey
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Roger Hunt

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Dec 14, 2008, 3:24:48 AM12/14/08

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In article <nJ21l.2833$c%6....@newsfe24.iad>, Me.Here
<me....@home.on.the.net> writes
(snip)

>
>If the voting is inconclusive I am willing to take over Susan's role on
>a purely temporary basis until aother poll is arranged.
>

Oo I like that bit at the end. I take it "temporary basis" means a
period of One Thousand Years.
In effect you are writing the rules and appointing yourself.
Nice one!
--
Roger Hunt

Nicolaas Hawkins

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Dec 14, 2008, 4:06:43 AM12/14/08

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On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 07:37:26 +0000, "Me.Here" <me....@home.on.the.net>
wrote in <news:nJ21l.2833$c%6....@newsfe24.iad>:

> [IMPORTANT] This is a time of peace to all people when squabbles
> normally get overlooked. Susan Bugher's Obituary Notice on the 13th is
> a serious transgression of good taste and out of character with the ACF
> FAQ. ACF can not have a point person who has started to behave like that.

Unless you can prove beyond reasonable doubt to the contrary I, for one, am
NOT prepared to accept that it was indeed Susan Bugher who posted the
offending message, and not somebody (not excluding yourself) posting AS
(i.e., impersonating) Susan Bugher in order to bring about such a situation
as you describe.

> Given recent events, I thought it may be prudent to get the groups
> feelings regarding the point person for ACF. Please note, I have *no*
> ulterior motive in doing this outside of wanting to know the group's
> wishes in regards to Pricelessware.

Your actions here seem to me to be grossly premature. It appears that, on
the strength of the mere possibility, without positive proof, that Susan
Bugher posted an offensive message you have taken it upon yourself to
declare her an unfit person and summarily dismiss her and have her replaced
by a person of the choosing of a few self-selected (and perhaps
self-interested) voters or, in default, yourself -- all whilst not even
having the courage to come out from hiding behind a pseudonym.

In saying that you would take the position yourself absent a consensus, you
have declared yourself to be an interested party and therefore the result
(or non-result) of any ballot on the matter conducted by you will in my view
automatically be null and void.

--
Nicolaas Hawkins
Wellington, New Zealand

Sam Jones

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Dec 14, 2008, 4:16:22 AM12/14/08

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On 14/12/2008 7:01 PM, alvey wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 07:37:26 +0000, Me.Here wrote:
>
>
> You're a marvel.
> How can somebody be simultaneously senile AND infantile?
>
>
>
> alvey

And you're an idiot - it's a forgery. Me here posts from optusnet not
motzarella.

Sam Jones

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Dec 14, 2008, 4:18:03 AM12/14/08

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I take it you like being Ari's fool?

Sam Jones

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Dec 14, 2008, 4:18:11 AM12/14/08

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Another Ari sucker. When will you people learn to read headers?

Roger Hunt

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Dec 14, 2008, 4:21:18 AM12/14/08

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In article <gi2j0h$npn$3...@news.motzarella.org>, Sam Jones
<sammy...@gmailer.com> writes

Er um yes.
--
Roger Hunt

John Stubbings

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Dec 14, 2008, 5:42:23 AM12/14/08

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Can't see where is says Ari in the header either Sam...

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BTB

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Dec 14, 2008, 5:50:08 AM12/14/08

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LoL at you enforcing rules.
"Me.Here" <me....@home.on.the.net> wrote in message
news:nJ21l.2833$c%6....@newsfe24.iad...

Franklin

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Dec 14, 2008, 6:05:45 AM12/14/08

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On 2008-12-14 09:16, Sam Jones <sammy...@gmailer.com> wrote

You know a lot for a newcomer.

You couldn't possibly be someone's sockpuppet, could you.

That wouldn't work too well. Claiming to reveal fake postings
while you yourself are a fake.

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Franklin

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Dec 14, 2008, 6:11:33 AM12/14/08

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On 2008-12-14 07:37, Me.Here <me....@home.on.the.net> wrote

More bluster from Me.Here. Ignore him.

But just in case it is a poll I vote for

(1) BeAr Ederson

alvey

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Dec 14, 2008, 6:22:05 AM12/14/08

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And you are?

Message has been deleted

Sam Jones

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Dec 14, 2008, 7:04:44 AM12/14/08

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On 14/12/2008 10:05 PM, Franklin wrote:
> On 2008-12-14 09:16, Sam Jones<sammy...@gmailer.com> wrote
>
>> On 14/12/2008 7:01 PM, alvey wrote:
>>> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 07:37:26 +0000, Me.Here wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> You're a marvel.
>>> How can somebody be simultaneously senile AND infantile?
>>>
>>> alvey
>> And you're an idiot - it's a forgery. Me here posts from
>> optusnet not motzarella.
>>
>
> You know a lot for a newcomer.
>

Who says I'm a 'newcomer'? I'm a new poster but I've been lurking in
a.c.f. for about a month.

> You couldn't possibly be someone's sockpuppet, could you.
>

Get real, just because I have no history in alt.comp.freeware doesn't
mean I'm automatically a sock or I don't post in other groups under
different nyms.

Sam Jones

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Dec 14, 2008, 7:08:26 AM12/14/08

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I came on a.c.f. about a month ago and it didn't take me long to find
out who the dickheads were or who forges posts. Franklin and Ari are
the two most prevalent twats in a.c.f. Franklin even goes a step further
by spewing out his hummingbird waffle (he has a beef with the
hummingbird dude).

Franklin

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Dec 14, 2008, 7:12:35 AM12/14/08

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On 2008-12-14 12:08, Sam Jones <sammy...@gmailer.com> wrote

Er, Nicholaas, that's enough now. You've already been exposed.

I don't know what's possessed you.

Sam Jones

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Dec 14, 2008, 7:14:01 AM12/14/08

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Nice try Franklin, the OP was obviously from you and not Me here. At
first I thought it was from Ari because he's always the one to post crap
in a.c.f., but after reading it again, it has your fingerprints all over
it, no question.

I can see why that hummingbird dude has a problem with you.

Franklin

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Dec 14, 2008, 7:14:56 AM12/14/08

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On 2008-12-14 12:14, Sam Jones <sammy...@gmailer.com> wrote

Yes, Nicholaas. Settle down now.

Sam Jones

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Dec 14, 2008, 7:22:41 AM12/14/08

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HAHAHAHA are you usually this wrong in RL?

Poutnik <Poutnik >

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Dec 14, 2008, 9:01:38 AM12/14/08

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In article <nJ21l.2833$c%6....@newsfe24.iad>, me....@home.on.the.net
says...>

> [IMPORTANT] This is a time of peace to all people when squabbles
> normally get overlooked. Susan Bugher's Obituary Notice on the 13th is
> a serious transgression of good taste and out of character with the ACF
> FAQ. ACF can not have a point person who has started to behave like that.
>

......

I am at ACF about ten years.
I had in last time 1-2 year period when I did not visit ACF regularly.

Comparing to old times, ACF became in some aspects waste water.

Concerning topics themselves, there were much stricter rules
what posts are accepted/tolerated.

Concerning groups members behavior, if there is such approach to Susan,
( and I do not remember complains to her in deep past )

than list of suitable Bozo bin candidates
would be very difficult to manage.

--
Poutnik

hummingbird

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Dec 14, 2008, 11:33:09 AM12/14/08

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On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:05:45 GMT 'Franklin'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:

>On 2008-12-14 09:16, Sam Jones <sammy...@gmailer.com> wrote
>
>> On 14/12/2008 7:01 PM, alvey wrote:
>>> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 07:37:26 +0000, Me.Here wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> You're a marvel.
>>> How can somebody be simultaneously senile AND infantile?
>>>
>>> alvey
>>
>> And you're an idiot - it's a forgery. Me here posts from
>> optusnet not motzarella.
>>
>
>You know a lot for a newcomer.
>
>You couldn't possibly be someone's sockpuppet, could you.

That's your MO Franklin: "Queen of Slime, attention-seeking
homosexual and deranged psychopath".

Q, why are you in prison Franklin?

Interested parties wish to know.

List of your forgeries, sockpuppets and nym changes:

--
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http://preview.tinyurl.com/55ajrs

Franklin

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Dec 14, 2008, 12:07:02 PM12/14/08

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On 2008-12-14 16:33, hummingbird <hummi...@127.0.0.1> wrote

>>You know a lot for a newcomer.
>>
>>You couldn't possibly be someone's sockpuppet, could you.
>
>
> That's your MO Franklin: "Queen of Slime, attention-seeking
> homosexual and deranged psychopath".
>
> Q, why are you in prison Franklin?
> Interested parties wish to know.
>

From time to time I have indeed wondered if Mr Bottoms is
enjoying the hospitality of the US government.

By cntrast, you will be pleased to know I am at liberty and am
even planning a trip to England. I could come and visit you in
H.M.P. Belmarsh if you felt up to it.

Kind regards,
Franklin

Omar©

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Dec 14, 2008, 12:19:42 PM12/14/08

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And who died and made you POPE?????????
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When I am right, No one remembers
When I am wrong, No one forgets.

Chris Millbank

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Dec 14, 2008, 12:31:12 PM12/14/08

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On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 07:37:26 +0000, Me.Here wrote:

Please do not Xpost to rec.nude. Indeed <sigh>
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being taped."---- Richard Nixon

Chris Millbank

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Dec 14, 2008, 12:32:11 PM12/14/08

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Indeed, Sam, you are a supporter of freeware science and free sex with
boys!
--
Watch what toys you give your children, these made me gay!
http://tr.im/25tn

hummingbird

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Dec 14, 2008, 12:32:58 PM12/14/08

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On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:06:43 +1300 'Nicolaas Hawkins'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:

>On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 07:37:26 +0000, "Me.Here" <me....@home.on.the.net>
>wrote in <news:nJ21l.2833$c%6....@newsfe24.iad>:
>
>> [IMPORTANT] This is a time of peace to all people when squabbles
>> normally get overlooked. Susan Bugher's Obituary Notice on the 13th is
>> a serious transgression of good taste and out of character with the ACF
>> FAQ. ACF can not have a point person who has started to behave like that.

>Unless you can prove beyond reasonable doubt to the contrary I, for one, am
>NOT prepared to accept that it was indeed Susan Bugher who posted the
>offending message, and not somebody (not excluding yourself) posting AS
>(i.e., impersonating) Susan Bugher in order to bring about such a situation
>as you describe.

Nicolaas, I have not had reason in the past to call you a fool but
I will do so now. All you're trying to do is to protect Bugher
because the post repulsive and only appealing to PWH cultists.

If you check the headers they are clearly those of Bugher's.

If you believe the post wasn't made by her, then YOU need to
provide contrary evidence, not demand that others provide more
because it's already there.

--
"All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
and third, it is accepted as self-evident"
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

Chris Millbank

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Dec 14, 2008, 12:33:56 PM12/14/08

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On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:07:02 GMT, Franklin wrote:

> On 2008-12-14 16:33, hummingbird <hummi...@127.0.0.1> wrote
>
>>>You know a lot for a newcomer.
>>>
>>>You couldn't possibly be someone's sockpuppet, could you.
>>
>> That's your MO Franklin: "Queen of Slime, attention-seeking
>> homosexual and deranged psychopath".
>>
>> Q, why are you in prison Franklin?
>> Interested parties wish to know.
>>
>
> From time to time I have indeed wondered if Mr Bottoms is
> enjoying the hospitality of the US government.

BB's too smart for that, indeed, he knows when to show up late for a
very important date!

> By cntrast, you will be pleased to know I am at liberty and am
> even planning a trip to England. I could come and visit you in
> H.M.P. Belmarsh if you felt up to it.
>
> Kind regards,
> Franklin

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Dec 14, 2008, 1:18:48 PM12/14/08

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In article <Xns9B74B7E0...@204.153.245.20>, Franklin <see_my_REP

It is probably wise to contact the governor first and obtain a copy
of their official price list.
A day of sustained and overbearing sarcasm comes in at £85, for
instance, so physical intimidation is certainly going to set you back
a three or even four figure sum.
How about a dog turd in prisoners shoe? Only £215.
--
Roger Hunt

John Stubbings

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Dec 14, 2008, 1:37:04 PM12/14/08

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Blimey, I remember when you could get a con given a good slap, 3 pints of
pride and a pack of scratching's and still have change from a pony.

Roger Hunt

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Dec 14, 2008, 1:49:01 PM12/14/08

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In article <gi3joj$7uc$1...@news.motzarella.org>, John Stubbings
<anna.riceD...@virgin.net> writes

Gawdon Bennet! And I remember when yew could get a lag sprung fer 'alf a
'amster an a wheelbarrer. OK?
--
Roger Hunt

robb

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Dec 14, 2008, 1:53:43 PM12/14/08

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Dec 14, 2008, 2:24:16 PM12/14/08

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In article <Xns9B7486222FAF5b...@85.214.105.209>, Bear
Bottoms <bearbo...@gmai.com> writes

>Roger Hunt <nos...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>news:2VIoAWAd...@nospam.demon.co.uk:
>
>> Gawdon Bennet! And I remember when yew could get a lag sprung fer 'alf a
>> 'amster an a wheelbarrer. OK?
>
>Rog...do you ever post about freeware? You are beginning to seam like
>Franklin.
>

Pot, kettle, black. Now fuck off.
--
Roger Hunt

Bear Bottoms

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Dec 14, 2008, 2:29:41 PM12/14/08

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Roger Hunt <nos...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in

news:ZF3j0tAg...@nospam.demon.co.uk:

I wouldn't fuck Off for all the money in the world. She is fucked by too
many people. Aids comes to mind.

As for the pot, well I see very little freeware contribution by you if I
can remember any (Franklin comes to mind.) You just try to be
cute...worthless but cute. Now I, on the other hand, am the Greatest
Freeware Poster of all time. You should bow to me :)

NOW!

Bear Bottoms

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Dec 14, 2008, 2:30:08 PM12/14/08

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Roger Hunt <nos...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in

news:TVXhwVAh...@nospam.demon.co.uk:

Do you have a link to this great freeware?

Roger Hunt

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Dec 14, 2008, 2:35:39 PM12/14/08

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In article <Xns9B7489287F878b...@85.214.105.209>, Bear

Bottoms <bearbo...@gmai.com> writes
>Roger Hunt <nos...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>news:ZF3j0tAg...@nospam.demon.co.uk:
>> In article <Xns9B7486222FAF5b...@85.214.105.209>, Bear
>> Bottoms <bearbo...@gmai.com> writes
>>>Roger Hunt <nos...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>>news:2VIoAWAd...@nospam.demon.co.uk:
>>>
>>>> Gawdon Bennet! And I remember when yew could get a lag sprung fer
>>>> 'alf a 'amster an a wheelbarrer. OK?
>>>
>>>Rog...do you ever post about freeware? You are beginning to seam like
>>>Franklin.
>>>
>> Pot, kettle, black. Now fuck off.
>
>I wouldn't fuck Off for all the money in the world. She is fucked by too
>many people. Aids comes to mind.
>
>As for the pot, well I see very little freeware contribution by you if I
>can remember any (Franklin comes to mind.) You just try to be
>cute...worthless but cute. Now I, on the other hand, am the Greatest
>Freeware Poster of all time. You should bow to me :)
>
>
>
>
>NOW!
>

LOL!!!!
--
Roger Hunt

John Stubbings

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Dec 14, 2008, 2:53:56 PM12/14/08

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On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:11:51 +0000 (UTC), Bear Bottoms wrote:

> Roger Hunt <nos...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in
> news:2VIoAWAd...@nospam.demon.co.uk:
>
>> Gawdon Bennet! And I remember when yew could get a lag sprung fer 'alf a
>> 'amster an a wheelbarrer. OK?
>>
>
> Rog...do you ever post about freeware? You are beginning to seam like
> Franklin.

Hi BB,

Quite right, That 'Rog' should be ashamed of himself. Who is he?

He certainly 'seam'??s like you say...

Thanks for the award

John Stubbing (Franklin wanna be noobie)

That 'Stubbing' is n v bad person

What's a 'noobie'? Have you been fantasizing about my v large appendage and
yer spellings gorn all wrong again'

or are you insinuating I'm a bit new at this.

cos everyone knows I've been posting here three times longer than you...

newbie..

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Dec 14, 2008, 4:15:26 PM12/14/08

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Roger Hunt <nos...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in

news:22NYYHBL...@nospam.demon.co.uk:

Tee hee!!!!

The freeware link to LOL is?

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Dec 14, 2008, 7:53:40 PM12/14/08

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sheesh.........the thread is getting longer and longer over there.
<sigh> AriSlime, oh my!
--
http://tr.im/2a2r

Sam Jones

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Dec 14, 2008, 8:18:27 PM12/14/08

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On 15/12/2008 4:32 AM, Chris Millbank wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:04:44 +1100, Sam Jones wrote:
>
>> On 14/12/2008 10:05 PM, Franklin wrote:
>>> On 2008-12-14 09:16, Sam Jones<sammy...@gmailer.com> wrote

>>>
>>>> On 14/12/2008 7:01 PM, alvey wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 07:37:26 +0000, Me.Here wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>

>>>>> You're a marvel.
>>>>> How can somebody be simultaneously senile AND infantile?
>>>>>
>>>>> alvey
>>>> And you're an idiot - it's a forgery. Me here posts from
>>>> optusnet not motzarella.

>>>>
>>> You know a lot for a newcomer.
>>>

>> Who says I'm a 'newcomer'? I'm a new poster but I've been lurking in
>> a.c.f. for about a month.

>>
>>> You couldn't possibly be someone's sockpuppet, could you.
>>>

>> Get real, just because I have no history in alt.comp.freeware doesn't
>> mean I'm automatically a sock or I don't post in other groups under
>> different nyms.
>
> Indeed, Sam, you are a supporter of freeware

Yes

> science

Yes

> and free sex with boys!

No sorry. Of the many things in my repertoire, pedophilia is not one of
them.

Sam Jones

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Dec 14, 2008, 8:23:01 PM12/14/08

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On 15/12/2008 4:37 AM, Chris Millbank wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:18:03 +1100, Sam Jones wrote:
>
>> I take it you like being Ari's fool?
>
> <sigh> I only wish to blow him, circumcised or not, indeed!

Lots of sighing in your posts Millbank, maybe the Usenet is not for you.
Unlike Susan, I believe people should look after their health... If
the Usenet is giving you too my grief, I suggest taking a break for a
while until you de-stress.

Sam Jones

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Dec 14, 2008, 8:25:48 PM12/14/08

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On 15/12/2008 4:19 AM, OmarŠ wrote:
>
> And who died and made you POPE?????????

Unlike the other fools, I hope you directed that comment to Franklin who
actually spoofed Me here. You do read headers don't you Omar?

Franklin

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Dec 14, 2008, 8:28:49 PM12/14/08

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On 2008-12-15 01:25, Sam Jones <sammy...@gmailer.com> wrote

Read them to us. Give me and Omar your interpretation.

Sam Jones

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Dec 14, 2008, 8:30:53 PM12/14/08

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On 15/12/2008 4:31 AM, Chris Millbank wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 07:37:26 +0000, Me.Here wrote:
>

He didn't you just did, which tells me, and everyone else, everything we
need to know. Indeed, I thought Franklin was bad for spoofing Me.Here
in the original post but now I see your true colors - you're the
troublemaker. Maybe it was you all along....

Chris Millbank

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Dec 14, 2008, 8:46:38 PM12/14/08

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OK, GIVE ME THE BOYS, INDEED!
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http://tr.im/2a2r

Chris Millbank

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Dec 14, 2008, 8:47:22 PM12/14/08

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<sigh>
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http://tr.im/2a2r

Chris Millbank

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http://www.donationcoder.com/Forums/bb/index.php?topic=6299.0
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Sam Jones

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Dec 14, 2008, 11:49:48 PM12/14/08

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On 15/12/2008 2:05 PM, Franklin wrote:
> It's well known that an Australian (Me.Here) posted for months
> using Motzarella. You too are using Motzarella.

Not over the last month or I've been here he hasn't.

> Motzarella doesn't prove at all that you're not posting from Australasia.

I never said I wasn't in australia - whatever possessed you to think
otherwise? What part of me telling you I was in Sydney didn't you get?
Oh, maybe you didn't know Sydney was in australia or maybe you think
that there is only one poster from australia in a.c.f?

Wow Franklin, you make Forrest Gump look like an Einstein.

Sam Jones

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Dec 14, 2008, 11:58:30 PM12/14/08

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On 15/12/2008 2:17 PM, Franklin wrote:
> On 2008-12-15 02:44, Sam Jones<sammy...@gmailer.com> wrote
>
>> On 15/12/2008 12:48 PM, Chris Millbank wrote:
>>>>> Please do not Xpost to rec.nude. Indeed<sigh>
>>>> He didn't you just did, which tells me, and everyone else,
>>>> everything we need to know. Indeed, I thought Franklin was
>>>> bad for spoofing Me.Here in the original post but now I see
>>>> your true colors - you're the troublemaker. Maybe it was
>>>> you all along....
>>> <sigh>
>> Hang on, you're posting at the same time as Franklin....
>>
>> Now things are beginning to clear up. Maybe you're one and
>> the same.
>>
>
> Maybe we are the same.

Ahh, that makes sense.

> If you post the same degree of proof that I
> did whoch associated yourself with Nicolaas "Gay Kiwi" Hawkins then
> there would be no doubt about it. Go ahead.

Ok, I assume that Nicolaas is a 'kiwi' which I take it to mean he is
from new zealand. You do know new zealand is a totally different
country from australia and is in a different time zone from the one I'm
posting from? Let's see your Junior Detective badge explain that one
away since you've repeatedly accused me of being Nicolaas. Your turn
brainiac.

Sam Jones

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Dec 15, 2008, 12:00:43 AM12/15/08

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I don't get it. Are you pointing out that bear bottoms has a website (I
knew this already), or that silverstein supposed to be franklin?

aracARI

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Dec 15, 2008, 12:57:27 AM12/15/08

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I support freeware scientists like BB. I'm appalled at the way he has
been denigrated.

http://www.donationcoder.com/Forums/bb/index.php?topic=6299.0

Indeed, what's a few child killings when freeware is at the exact
importance?

sheeesh.....
--
http://tr.im/2a2r

Franklin

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Dec 15, 2008, 5:05:50 AM12/15/08

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On 2008-12-15 04:58, Sam Jones <sammy...@gmailer.com> wrote

Am I supposed to believe you are currently in Sydney and yet you
don't know the nickname for people from New Zealand, the only
other main English speaking country in the region?

And don't let the small difference in time zone give you the
impression that its something you can hide behind. The time
difference is not the factor. Cities communicate with one
another very closely if they share a culture even if they are in
different time zones: NY and LA, Paris and London, Tokyo and
Taipei, HK and Sing, Moscow and Kiev.

Franklin

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Dec 15, 2008, 5:14:16 AM12/15/08

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On 2008-12-15 04:49, Sam Jones <sammy...@gmailer.com> wrote

You can turn the k00k obfuscation generator off now. It's not
working properly.

In http://preview.tinyurl.com/5rqob2 you wrote

"Since me here always posts from an australian

server and not motzarella".

I pointed out that is untrue. You wrote "ALWAYS POSTS" and even
if you are not big on facts then you would still have Googled to
check. I guess you don't want to show what facts you know as it
would blow the cover of Nicolaas Gay Kiwi Hawkins.

hummingbird

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Dec 15, 2008, 6:23:48 AM12/15/08

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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:05:50 GMT 'Franklin'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:

>And don't let the small difference in time zone give you the
>impression that its something you can hide behind. The time
>difference is not the factor. Cities communicate with one
>another very closely if they share a culture even if they are in
>different time zones: NY and LA, Paris and London,

What absolute bollix.

>Tokyo and
>Taipei, HK and Sing, Moscow and Kiev.

There is virtually no common culture between Paris and London.

Nor much between native LA-ers and NY-ers, nor between HK
and Singapore or the others.

As usual, you're babbling out yer ass Franklin.
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First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
and third, it is accepted as self-evident"
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hummingbird

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Dec 15, 2008, 6:13:27 AM12/15/08

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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:14:16 GMT 'Franklin'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:

>On 2008-12-15 04:49, Sam Jones <sammy...@gmailer.com> wrote

IOW Franklin, you haven't got a clue what you're babbling about,
so you throw out a new bunch of unfounded allegations for which
you have zero evidence.

What's new in that?

Since you're obviously very concerned about sockpuppeting,
browse down the list of your own:

--
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http://preview.tinyurl.com/55ajrs

hummingbird

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Dec 15, 2008, 6:17:38 AM12/15/08

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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:17:35 GMT 'Franklin'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:

>On 2008-12-15 02:44, Sam Jones <sammy...@gmailer.com> wrote

>
>> On 15/12/2008 12:48 PM, Chris Millbank wrote:
>>>>> Please do not Xpost to rec.nude. Indeed<sigh>
>>>> He didn't you just did, which tells me, and everyone else,
>>>> everything we need to know. Indeed, I thought Franklin was
>>>> bad for spoofing Me.Here in the original post but now I see
>>>> your true colors - you're the troublemaker. Maybe it was
>>>> you all along....
>>>
>>> <sigh>
>>
>> Hang on, you're posting at the same time as Franklin....
>>
>> Now things are beginning to clear up. Maybe you're one and
>> the same.

>Maybe we are the same.

Quite possibly.
Since you post under the name of Franklin (when you're not
sockpuppeting or forging) and Ari's RL name is Frank Camper
...

>If you post the same degree of proof that I
>did whoch associated yourself with Nicolaas "Gay Kiwi" Hawkins then
>there would be no doubt about it. Go ahead.

ROTFL. I suspect there's A LOT of wishful thinking on your part
in there Franklin. Your regular stream of lies, smears and
unfounded allegations about others becomes very tiresome.

Franklin

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Dec 15, 2008, 6:54:40 AM12/15/08

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On 2008-12-15 11:23, hummingbird <hummi...@127.0.0.1> wrote

>
> On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:05:50 GMT 'Franklin' wrote this on
> alt.comp.freeware:
>
>>And don't let the small difference in time zone give you the
>>impression that its something you can hide behind. The time
>>difference is not the factor. Cities communicate with one
>>another very closely if they share a culture even if they are
>>in different time zones: NY and LA, Paris and London,
>
> What absolute bollix.
>
>>Tokyo and Taipei, HK and Sing, Moscow and Kiev.
>
> There is virtually no common culture between Paris and London.
>
> Nor much between native LA-ers and NY-ers, nor between HK and
> Singapore or the others.
>

These pairs of cities all share very considerable cultural,
social and economic interests with one another and communication
between them is very straightforward.

European values are for the most part shared between Paris and
London. One has only to compare Paris and Pyongyang in order to
see how similar Paris and London are.

I think you knew that but you just needed to find an excuse for
an argument. On the other hand I suggest we just stick to the
facts.

(If you are genuinely not familiar with the cultural, social and
economic values involved then maybe do some background checking
before parading such a lack of understanding of the world.)

Sam Jones

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Dec 15, 2008, 7:51:53 AM12/15/08

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On 15/12/2008 9:14 PM, Franklin wrote:
> On 2008-12-15 04:49, Sam Jones<sammy...@gmailer.com> wrote
>
>> On 15/12/2008 2:05 PM, Franklin wrote:
>>> It's well known that an Australian (Me.Here) posted for
>>> months using Motzarella. You too are using Motzarella.
>> Not over the last month or I've been here he hasn't.
>>
>>> Motzarella doesn't prove at all that you're not posting from
>>> Australasia.
>> I never said I wasn't in australia - whatever possessed you to
>> think otherwise? What part of me telling you I was in Sydney
>> didn't you get? Oh, maybe you didn't know Sydney was in
>> australia or maybe you think that there is only one poster
>> from australia in a.c.f?
>>
>> Wow Franklin, you make Forrest Gump look like an Einstein.
>>
>
>
> You can turn the k00k obfuscation generator off now. It's not
> working properly.

It's working fine, look, it picked up on you didn't it :-)

Sam Jones

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Dec 15, 2008, 8:12:47 AM12/15/08

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Unlike you, I don't automatically jump to assumptions, especially just
because some fool adds "Gay Kiwi" to someones name. For all I knew,
it's just a simple nickname related to his shape, not his birth country.
After you waffled on about timezones, I put 2 and 2 together and
worked out according to you, Nicolaas was a new zealander, hence, the
reason why I made the point of mentioning that.

> And don't let the small difference in time zone give you the
> impression that its something you can hide behind. The time
> difference is not the factor. Cities communicate with one
> another very closely if they share a culture even if they are in
> different time zones: NY and LA, Paris and London, Tokyo and
> Taipei, HK and Sing, Moscow and Kiev.

Shut up fool, God you dribble on. You've been kicked in the ass
numerous times now and yet you still can't admit how wrong you are.
People change timezones regardless of whether or not you believe they
should. Oh and by the way, if you think that the 2 hour timezone
difference between Sydney and new zealand is a small difference, maybe
you've been up in the hills too long - we have a unit called hours now,
not just 'daylight' and 'nighttime'.

John Stubbings

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Dec 15, 2008, 8:33:28 AM12/15/08

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You use mighty strange English for an ozzie :) Is that your Mr T
impression..

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Destroy the Triumvirate...

hummingbird

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Dec 15, 2008, 8:44:31 AM12/15/08

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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:54:40 GMT 'Franklin'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:

>On 2008-12-15 11:23, hummingbird <hummi...@127.0.0.1> wrote
>>
>> On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:05:50 GMT 'Franklin' wrote this on
>> alt.comp.freeware:
>>
>>>And don't let the small difference in time zone give you the
>>>impression that its something you can hide behind. The time
>>>difference is not the factor. Cities communicate with one
>>>another very closely if they share a culture even if they are
>>>in different time zones: NY and LA, Paris and London,
>>
>> What absolute bollix.
>>
>>>Tokyo and Taipei, HK and Sing, Moscow and Kiev.
>>
>> There is virtually no common culture between Paris and London.
>>
>> Nor much between native LA-ers and NY-ers, nor between HK and
>> Singapore or the others.

>These pairs of cities all share very considerable cultural,
>social and economic interests with one another and communication
>between them is very straightforward.

Your babbling again Franklin.

You wrote: "...if they share a culture..."

I simply pointed out that it doesn't exist as you assert, except
that all are human beings and eat food etc.

So do people in all other cities.

You will hard pushed to find two cities so geographically close
with such different cultures as Paris and London.

As a general rule of thumb, you will find London is closer to
American and Australian cities than Paris, Rome or Madrid etc.
That is mainly because we share a common language and the
others are all Latin languages.

[rest of your babble binned]

-HTH - HAND-

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Dec 15, 2008, 11:02:24 AM12/15/08

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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:51:01 +0000, hummingbird wrote:

> On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:36:03 -0500 'aracARI'
> wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>
>>On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:17:38 +0000, hummingbird wrote:
>>
>>> Quite possibly.
>>> Since you post under the name of Franklin (when you're not
>>> sockpuppeting or forging) and Ari's RL name is Frank Camper
>>
>>It is? Did John Martin, Jr. tell you that?
>
> Actually Ari, you did.
>
> Hell, you even post under the name of Camper sometimes.

And your name is hummingbird? (sniggers). Nonetheless,

<http://www.donationcoder.com/Forums/bb/index.php?topic=6299.new#new>

Coming, Chrissy?
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Franklin

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Dec 15, 2008, 12:16:29 PM12/15/08

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On 2008-12-15 13:44, hummingbird <hummi...@127.0.0.1> wrote

>
>>These pairs of cities all share very considerable cultural,
>>social and economic interests with one another and
>>communication between them is very straightforward.
>
> Your babbling again Franklin.
>
> You wrote: "...if they share a culture..."
>
> I simply pointed out that it doesn't exist as you assert,
> except that all are human beings and eat food etc.

Hello Hummingbird/Chris, I wrote:

"Cities communicate with one another very closely
if they share a culture even if they are in
different time zones"

news:Xns9B75792A...@204.153.245.20

You didn't understand the use of the term "culture" and replied:

"There is virtually no common culture between
Paris and London. Nor much between native LA-ers
and NY-ers, nor between HK and Singapore or the
others."

The bit I really like is when you said "there is virtually no
common culture between Paris and London". Well, I patiently
explained to you the common heritage and values:

"These pairs of cities all share very considerable
cultural, social and economic interests with one
another and communication between them is very
straightforward.

European values are for the most part shared

between Paris and London. One has only to compare
Paris and Pyongyang in order to see how similar
Paris and London are."

As you had dug a hole for yourself you then said something even
more inane than usual:

"I simply pointed out that it doesn't exist as
you assert, except that all are human beings
and eat food etc. So do people in all other cities.

You will hard pushed to find two cities so
geographically close with such different cultures
as Paris and London."

You are letting the ages old bickering between the two of you to
cloud your judgement. Paris and London and are capitals of two
nominally christian countries which have similar (never identical)
views about human rights, commerce, art, banking, trade, etc.
Apart from the language a resident of one can easily function
within the other. I have spent time in both cities and both are
very similar. Go to Riyadh and see what a different culture means.

> As a general rule of thumb, you will find London is closer to
> American and Australian cities than Paris, Rome or Madrid etc.
> That is mainly because we share a common language and the
> others are all Latin languages.

Culture is more than language. What a narrow minded moron.

It's a waste of time explaining anything to you.

EOT for me.

Franklin

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Dec 15, 2008, 12:20:24 PM12/15/08

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On 2008-12-15 11:17, hummingbird <hummi...@127.0.0.1> wrote

>>Maybe we are the same.
>
> Quite possibly. Since you post under the name of Franklin
> (when you're not sockpuppeting or forging) and Ari's RL name
> is Frank Camper

As far as I am aware I am the only person here who posts using my
name (apart from you Hummingbird/Chris when you have been
spoofing).

> ...
>
>> If you post the same degree of proof that I did which

>> associated yourself with Nicolaas "Gay Kiwi" Hawkins then
>> there would be no doubt about it. Go ahead.

Sam Jones

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Dec 16, 2008, 9:32:18 AM12/16/08

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On 16/12/2008 12:33 AM, John Stubbings wrote:

> You use mighty strange English for an ozzie :) Is that your Mr T
> impression..

An Ozzie? Did I say I was an Ozzie? No, I said I was in Sydney on
business. Sheesh, another fool who makes assumptions. Obviously you
went to the Franklin School of Detectives.

John Stubbings

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Dec 16, 2008, 10:02:11 AM12/16/08

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Can you see how evidence mounts up against you?

hummingbird

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Dec 16, 2008, 11:10:28 AM12/16/08

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On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:02:11 +0000 'John Stubbings'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:

>On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:32:18 +1100, Sam Jones wrote:
>
>> On 16/12/2008 12:33 AM, John Stubbings wrote:
>>
>>> You use mighty strange English for an ozzie :) Is that your Mr T
>>> impression..
>>
>> An Ozzie? Did I say I was an Ozzie? No, I said I was in Sydney on
>> business. Sheesh, another fool who makes assumptions. Obviously you
>> went to the Franklin School of Detectives.
>
>Can you see how evidence mounts up against you?

John,
1. When asked if he posts through Virgin.net in the UK said
"don't believe everything you read"? but has this in his From:
and Reply-To: headers:

<anna.riceD...@virgin.net> ?

2. Who said he has only ever used <whatever> news client to post,
but was immediately presented with a post, in his own name, with
this different news client in the headers:

User-Agent: 40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.41 ?

NB: this incident occured immediately after 6-8 forgeries were
made in the name of a ukpm poster using 40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.41.

3. Who said he has killfiled me, but replies to many of my posts?
(according to my Hamster logs)

Why - yes John Stubbings - it's you!

Isn't that amazing.

Can you see how evidence mounts up against you?

-HTH-

Sam Jones

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Dec 16, 2008, 12:00:43 PM12/16/08

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I doubt if he can see anything - he keeps repeating the same line over
and over again. He's obviously reached his knowledge limit.

John Stubbings

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Dec 16, 2008, 2:15:10 PM12/16/08

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Samantha, you shouldn't mix steroids with HRT...

John Stubbings

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Dec 16, 2008, 2:23:15 PM12/16/08

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You forgot this one as well

> 3.the posts all contained other unique info from your posts. EG:
> X-Auth-Sender:
> U2FsdGVkX18+wWdkFA+avbY+x2vJYIxv79CB1rdHI7gLU8bpT51oubEW5ag4uT9v

These posts actually contain no 'unique' info from my posts.

From the four forged posts cited

X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX19tfPLARcpxAcLvcFEn/BFyxOmgkZzUL+BcvKX6kcYJNg==
X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX19oy/iEK3BCd32WMDXMBip8uYvq3T7AoZ5hxBpRucIjNQ==
X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX18w2AzKkkJSLiZqeaX2rXxKTXAyeMKz7ZfVJasPtHE4rg==
X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1/zn5VDWAyQlTyplp6YBg4/eJ8Oc17y4kU+yUddBODOYA==

Note all four of these lines from the forged posts are 72 characters long

This line cited by Hummingbird is 80 characters

X-Auth-Sender:
U2FsdGVkX18+wWdkFA+avbY+x2vJYIxv79CB1rdHI7gLU8bpT51oubEW5ag4uT9v

All lines start with U2FsdGVkX, this is common for every Microsoft
newsreader used by millions of people, there is nothing 'unique' in the
rest
of the lines.

But of course HB knows this. Another lie.

Thanks for parading your stupidity once again, Hummingbird...

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/4534d33411004dc9

hummingbird

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Dec 16, 2008, 4:09:27 PM12/16/08

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On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:23:15 +0000 'John Stubbings'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:

>You forgot this one as well [...]

Thanks, but that isn't relevant to the above. But a good try at
distraction nevertheless. I'll give you 3 out of 10 for that John.

When you come out your coma, maybe you'll do better.

Since you have me killfiled, you won't be reading this LOLOLOLOL.

John Stubbings

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Dec 16, 2008, 5:00:05 PM12/16/08

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Are you feeling well HB:) This is too funny to be true.

You're accusing me of posting through virgin.net? or not. Who cares?

You're accusing me of using a newsreader....

...and I haven't killfiled you for ages. My posts show that.

I get it. Me sayin' "Can you see how evidence mounts up against you?" has
wound you up. Thanks for letting me know.

Laughing my fucking arse off...

hummingbird

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Dec 16, 2008, 5:26:43 PM12/16/08

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On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:00:05 +0000 'John Stubbings'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:

That's OK. Enjoy.

>You're accusing me of posting through virgin.net? or not. Who cares?

Nope. I have never accused you of posting thru Virgin.
I simply mentioned it a week or so back over summat or other.
My comment referred to your ISP, not who you post through
(latter = Motzarella IIRC).

>You're accusing me of using a newsreader....

Nope. I did not accuse you of using any newsreader.
I simply presented a FACT which contradicted your claim.

>...and I haven't killfiled you for ages. My posts show that.

I saw a quoted comment by you yesterday referring to me being
killfiled.

>I get it. Me sayin' "Can you see how evidence mounts up against you?" has
>wound you up. Thanks for letting me know.

Not really. I just felt like patting you on the head :-)
Puppy dogs like that!

>Laughing my fucking arse off...

Don't get stitches...

Franklin

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Dec 16, 2008, 6:10:44 PM12/16/08

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On Tue 16 Dec08 16:10, hummingbird <hummi...@127.0.0.1> wrote

> On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:02:11 +0000 'John Stubbings' wrote
> this on alt.comp.freeware:
>
>>On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:32:18 +1100, Sam Jones wrote:
>>
>>> On 16/12/2008 12:33 AM, John Stubbings wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You use mighty strange English for an ozzie :) Is that your
>>>> Mr T impression..
>>>
>>> An Ozzie? Did I say I was an Ozzie? No, I said I was in
>>> Sydney on business. Sheesh, another fool who makes
>>> assumptions. Obviously you went to the Franklin School of
>>> Detectives.
>>
>> Can you see how evidence mounts up against you?
>
> John, 1. When asked if he posts through Virgin.net in the UK

> Hummingbird/Chris said "don't believe everything you read"

> but has this in his From: and Reply-To: headers:
>

> <hummi...@127.0.0.1> ?
>
> 2. Aracari said he has only ever used <whatever> news client

> to post, but was immediately presented with a post, in his
> own name, with this different news client in the headers:
>

> User-Agent: {{missing}}
>
> NB: this occurs immediately before and after Chris's forgeries

> were made in the name of a ukpm poster using
>

> User-Agent: {{missing}}
>
> 3. Who said Chris Millbank has killfiled them, but he replies
> to many of his posts?
>
> (Chris likes to refer to his phony Hamster logs)
>
>
> Why - yes - it's probably not you!
>
> Isn't that a let down for me.
>
> Can you see how evidence mounts up against me?
>
> -HTH- -HAND-

Hummingbird/Chris your enthusiasm for misdirection and lies once
again shows it has no limit.

Franklin

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Dec 16, 2008, 6:11:51 PM12/16/08

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On Tue 16 Dec08 21:09, hummingbird <hummi...@127.0.0.1> wrote

> Thanks, but that isn't relevant to the above. But a good try
> at distraction nevertheless. I'll give you 3 out of 10 for
> that John.
>
> When you come out your coma, maybe you'll do better.
>
> Since you have me killfiled, you won't be reading this
> LOLOLOLOL.

Hummingbird, since you have me killfiled, you won't be reading
this. LOLOLOLOL.

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Dec 16, 2008, 6:12:58 PM12/16/08

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On Tue 16 Dec08 22:26, hummingbird <hummi...@127.0.0.1> wrote

>
>>Are you feeling well HB:) This is too funny to be true.
>
> That's OK. Enjoy.
>
>>You're accusing me of posting through virgin.net? or not. Who
>>cares?
>
> Nope. I have never accused you of posting thru Virgin.
> I simply mentioned it a week or so back over summat or other.
> My comment referred to your ISP, not who you post through
> (latter = Motzarella IIRC).
>
>>You're accusing me of using a newsreader....
>
> Nope. I did not accuse you of using any newsreader.
> I simply presented a FACT which contradicted your claim.
>
>>...and I haven't killfiled you for ages. My posts show that.
>
> I saw a quoted comment by you yesterday referring to me being
> killfiled.
>
>>I get it. Me sayin' "Can you see how evidence mounts up
>>against you?" has wound you up. Thanks for letting me know.
>
> Not really. I just felt like patting you on the head :-)
> Puppy dogs like that!
>
>>Laughing my fucking arse off...
>
> Don't get stitches...

Call it a day, Chris. That's another exchange you lost.

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